Regulatory Burdens Destroying Farming Industry
President Barack Obama is continuing to tour the country touting his so-called “jobs bill,” insisting we have to pass this bill now in order to create jobs and save the economy. While Obama is touting more spending — and also more regulation — PJMedia has teamed up with AmericanJobCreators.com (AJC) to detail the impact of regulation on job creation in the United States, and to show how an actual jobs bill would require no spending, just a rollback of regulatory burdens.
We first looked at the impact of regulations on the trucking industry. Today’s article focuses on farming.
AJC — a project of House Republicans in general and the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform in particular — spoke recently with a fourth-generation family farmer from California: Tom Deardorff II of Oxnard. He runs Deardorff Family Farms.
It’s a corporation — most family farms these days are. Farming is a business, and the farmers who don’t treat it that way don’t stay farmers very long. As AJC notes in their latest “Dispatch from the Road”:
While American families deserve clean air and water, America’s two million family farms live or die by it. Sustainable ecosystems power the more than $300 billion agriculture industry, feeding America and supporting about 1.2 million jobs. Just as overfishing puts fisherman out of work, poisoned land puts a farm out of business. Tom Deardorff II — Oxnard, CA small business owner and fourth generation family farmer — put it another way: “We are the first environmentalists.”
While they are not as close to the land as subsistence farmers, modern farmers still are connected to it in a way city dwellers, however environmentally conscious, cannot be. Once again, farmers who do not try to operate in a sustainable manner don’t remain farmers for long, and many of those two million family farmers have been on the same land for a century or more. Said Deardorff during an AmericanJobCreators.com visit to his family’s small produce packing facility:
My father created a sustainable, good business. We feel a very strong connection to the land and all our resources for that matter, whether land, water or labor. … It’s important for us to not only operate our business in a way that acknowledges and respects those resources, but also sustains them and makes them available for future generations.
The next generation depends on Mr. Deardorff both caring for his piece of California and providing for his 120 full-time workers and their families. A goal shared, in theory, by the 81,205 pages of federal government regulations.
But as these government dos-and-dont’s travel the 2,777 miles from Washington to reality, many turn into costly burdens, saddling small businesses like Deardorff Family Farms with higher costs and uncertain futures. Worse, meddling from the bureaucrats enforcing federal government regulations erodes the economic freedom and predictability on which Mr. Deardorff’s great-grandfather built the farm. Deardorff and many like him now find themselves running afoul of regulations such as the Clean Air Act or the Endangered Species Act. Said Deardorff:
I always thought my Dad went to work in a free-market economy. If you make the right decisions, you’re profitable. And if you make the wrong decisions, you’re not. … Now that I sit in his chair, I am amazed at how much I have to weave my way through government, government regulation and how that plays into our decision-making process.
Like any farming operation, the most important resource is water – a clean, reliable supply of water. Even though rain and snow were plentiful this year, government regulators have their hand on the spigot, writes AJC:
Mr. Deardorff can only watch as his water costs skyrocket, the unintended consequence of U.S. Endangered Species Act (ESA) regulations.
“We’re facing a doubling or potential tripling of our water charge because of requirements under the ESA to put in additional fish ladders, reduce streams, provide more water for habitat,” said Deardorff.
Not that those regulations are particularly effective:
Federal ESA regulations are meant to support the “conservation of threatened and endangered plants and animals and the habitats in which they are found,” according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. But these well-intentioned rules simply haven’t worked in the real world: since ESA became law in 1973, a mere 10 of the 1300 species protected by ESA regulations have actually recovered. Effective or not, ESA compliance costs — like paying for fish ladders — are still passed onto farmers like Deardorff, who is at the mercy of ever-changing water regulations.






It’s insane yes, but the consequences are not unintended. These regulations are planned not to help little fish or prairie chickens, but to dispossess the farmer from his land. Is this too hard to believe?
This pertains not only to the farmer, but to manufacturing, oil drilling, fishing industry, logging, and not the last or the least Judean/Christian values. This crew in office are socialists, commies, mohommedists, unions, thugs, and thieves. We have an obligation to clean this mess up. We have to vett the politicians better and more toughly, plus we have to charge the current groupe with the crimes against the Constitution that they have committed.
TYRANT
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TREASON
• Violation of allegiance toward one’s country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one’s country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
• A betrayal of trust or confidence.
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“High” in the legal parlance of the 18th century means “against the State”. A high crime is one which seeks the overthrow of the country, which gives aid or comfort to its enemies, or which injures the country to the profit of an individual or group. In democracies and similar societies it also includes crimes which attempt to alter the outcome of elections.
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Malfeasance the performance by a public official of an act that is legally unjustified, harmful, or contrary to law; wrongdoing (used especially of an act in violation of a public trust).
Nonfeasance is to ignore and take no indicated action – neglect. Misfeasance is to take inappropriate action or give intentionally incorrect advice. Malfeasance is hostile, aggressive action taken to injure the client’s interests.
Example: A company hires a catering company to provide drinks and food for a retirement party. If the catering company doesn’t show up, it’s considered nonfeasance. If the catering company shows up but only provides drinks (and not the food, which was also paid for), it’s considered misfeasance. If the catering company accepts a bribe from its client’s competitor to undercook the meat, thereby giving those present food poisoning, it’s considered malfeasance
If these people are found guilty of the appropriate charges. I advocate, bring back public hanging.
When the Captain of a ship shows signs of insanity, those under his direction
take action to remove him. By force, if necessary. Then the next highest ranking person takes control. Obama has very obviously either gone insane or has deliberately placed the country in jeapardy. Removal from office is called for in either case. Why are the people affected sitting around and mouthing complaints? Why are the regulators, including police officers who target so-called violators still making arrests? Where are THE PEOPLE????
Articles of impeachment must originate from the Senate. We have a minority in the Senate, so that’ll never happen. Our next course of action is term-limiting Obama by voting out his sorry @ss.
Environmentalists are NOT Conservationists. They are statist tyrants.
Oh, but these regulations DO create jobs: rule writers, enforcement officers, enforcement officer reviewers, enforcement public relations staffers, and lots and lots of farm workers in other countries. That is because the rulemakers et all drove the domenstic business out of business.
If we awarded property owners a $250 per Spotted Owl pair rebate on their property taxes, imagine how many spotted owls would appear. Same with eagles, endangered insects, and endangered plants. Buffalo were starting to disappear, now there are about 10X or more in the US compared to the low point.
The problem here is the same as almost all the problems with this nation. It is the fault of the king, the sovereign of this nation: We the People. Decades ago We the People decided that we didn’t care about our own foundational Law, our Constitution. We hired legislators and executives who didn’t care about it, and we encouraged and allowed them to trample it under foot, grossly violating it in myriads of ways. The list of blatantly unConstitutional Fed bureaucrazies is long, long, long, including (but not limited to): EPA, OSHA, the Dept’s of Labor and Education, SocSec, Medicare, FDA, ATF. These agencies throw not sand but boulders into the gears of the economy of the Republic, including farmers, truckers, manufacturers, service industries, etc, etc. True adherence to the Constitution, whether one terms it ‘strict construction’, or ‘originalist’, or whatever, has long fallen into disrepute, being considered a quaint and crackpot position for decades. Now it’s the only way for the Republic to survive. The only way out of our mess is to grow our way out. The only way to grow our way out is to follow the Constitution. Eliminate the unConstitutional agencies and their oppressive regs. Watch business boom, wealth spread, the poor benefit from greatly increased entrepeneurial and employment opportunities they long have been unjustly denied. Watch freedom reign.
Let the states decide if they want to put any of these regs back in place at the state level. Perhaps some will. Maybe even time will show that it’s a good idea, and other states will follow suit. Or maybe citizens and businesses will vote with their feet, leaving the statist/bureaucratic nightmare states that are dying for the free and growing states.
But We the People don’t want to follow the Constitution. Even the soi-disant ‘conservatives’ only want socialism-lite instead of the current heavy brand. This does not end well.
Doc:
You have pretty much nailed it. But not quite. “The only way out of our mess is to grow our way out.”
The national debt is slightly less than 15 trillion dollars and that number which is unsustainable, increasing rapidly, and the future reality it represents, a bankrupt nation, is what is killing us. Brought to us by George W. Bush and Barack Obama in almost equal measure.
The way out of the mess we find ourselves in is to start on an immediate reduction of that debt followed by policies that would reestablish a manufacturing base in this country to provide jobs adequate to restore a beaten down and rapidly declining middle class.
The prescription calls for immediate pain for all, not just a selected few designated as the enemy by Barack Obama. With debt at 8 trillion, give or take a couple of trillion, and declining year by year, the nation could and would recover from this 3 year experiment with Socialism/Marxism. The air has to be taken out of the balloon before it can be patched and sent airborne again.
The roadblock is finding a way to elect leaders to the House of Representatives, United States Senate and the President of the United States who have the courage to do what I believe almost everyone knows needs to be done. Not clowns, not preachers not cheerleaders, real stand up Americans. It’s time to endure some additional pain to cure the sickness that might kill us all if it goes untreated much longer.
Obama is a hopeless case but his opponents will have an opportunity to rid us of him and his ruinous policies in 2012. This election will be the most consequential in any of our lifetimes. The nation is at stake. We get it right this time or die as a nation.
Think. Think. Think. For yourselves. Don’t allow Fox News to decide for you. Rupert Murdock pulls the strings of all the puppets there and his interests are not the same of the interests of we the people. Bill O’Reilly is not really “looking out for you”. Don’t drink the Kool Aide.
1) Congress has more say on spending money than the President.
2) The prior Republican Congress (and President) reduced the deficit from over 400 Billion to around 160 Billion. The Democrat Congress came in during 2007 and carried us up to over 1600 Billion.
So, no, not equal measures. None of them are good, but some are clearly worse than others. Someone is indeed drinking the Flavor Aid here. You got that part wrong, as well – it wasn’t Kool Aid at Jonestown.
Amen! Just as defiance of the clear directives of the New Testament resulted in the awful heresies of first catholicism and then protestantism, so does rebellion against the clear provisions of our Constitution result in the nameless, boggled mess in which we find ourselves today entangled.
We must define the terms we use accurately, reason logically, and follow biblical principles faithfully, else we are lost. Free speech must end where deception begins. Federal intrusion must be rolled back to those powers specifically authorized by the Constitution, and the Tenth Amendment strictly enforced. We are, in fact, a nation under God, and without Him we are nothing.
His Word is our trump card. If we play it we shall always win.
Don’t fail to take into account that the fishing, trucking and farming industry are all under attack to reduce you access to food and other essentials. The pot is near full-boil, folks!!!
Meanwhile large scale industrial farms (which tend to be some of the worst violators of environmental protections, worker safety, product safety, and animal welfare) have been given a remarkable amount of latitude to do just that: violate regulations and operate largely without scrutiny.
And when anyone complains, they jump on the “we’re farmers — salt of the earth!” bandwagon (which means a lot of conservatives will wind up defending them along with the family farmers that large ag is putting out of business). Don’t fall for it — our Founding Fathers wanted us to be free and self-reliant, not the slaves of any sort of corrupt cronyism!
By all means support the family farm (there are few left) — but don’t let the other fellows into the tent…they play both sides of the aisle and care nothing except for profits (certainly not the environment or anything like that). Also, don’t be fooled by many of these large, corporate farms billing themselves as “family farms”…they may have started out with one family owning the original business, but that’s no longer the case. Their family values, compassionate conserservationism/animal rearing, and concern for their employees are just good marketing…and the only time they get interested in true family farms is when they can take them over and turn that farmer into a serf!
J, you speak truth.
By the way, how many folks commenting on this thread actually grew up on a family farm? Other than me and maybe J, that is.
A harshly hilarious book on the subject of family-farms versus corporate-farms is Annie Proulx’ That Old Ace in The Hole
Ideology-first pundits who lump together family farms with corporate farms are full of … beans.
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That Old Ace in The Hole
by Annie Proulx
URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxmIkeaG1o4
Just out of curiosity John, do you live on a farm? Have you ever BEEN a farmer? Do you actually know any “farmers” who produce anything but hand-picked, bug eaten “organic” squash? Do you currently live in a farming community?
In otherwords, do you have any actual clue what you’re talking about, or is it just what your other lefty troll buddies have told you?
Patrick, I’m a true Iowa farmboy who has thousands of tractor-miles under my butt … on a farm that’s been in the family more than 150 years.
You ain’t never lived next door to a hog lagoon … or have yah?
On a still night, and purely by smell, you couldn’t tell the difference between a hog lagoon and a cattle lagoon … or could yah?
When I say that Annie Proulx got it right in That Old Ace in the Hole, I’m talkin’ directly from personal experience in these matters!
By the way, sometimes it’s mighty hard to tell which editorial urge is stronger at PJM/Tatler: the urge to smear folks, or the reluctance to face-up to “inconvenient facts.”
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That Old Ace in the Hole
GoodReads: 1,519 ratings, 230 reviews
URL: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28002.That_Old_Ace_in_the_Hole
Glad to hear it John, I used to live 1/4 mile north of a feed lot. But let me ask you, how many years ago was that?
Because things are not what they once were. And the fact is, almost all farms, even if owned by a family are still corporations. They have to be.
Ain’t it true, Patrick and Charlie, that legally there’s no difference between (1) an incorporated farm owned and operated for generations by a family, versus (2) an incorporated farm owned by (for example) absentee Saudi landlords & paid-for with petrodollars?
I mean, there’s *ZERO* difference legally … ain’t that right?
And it is your view that there *SHOULD* be no difference, ain’t that right?
I mind me the time an absentee landlord build a cattle feedlot just upstream of our town’s water reservoir … the entirely *LEGAL* goal being to pollute the water so badly, that the town would be forced to buy the property, at inflated values.
And yes, that’s the part that Annie Proulx gets exactly right in That Old Ace in the Hole.
Needless to say, no local family could/would have blackmailed our Iowa town like that … but absentee-owned corporations have no conscience, and no religion, and no sense of community responsibility. Ain’t that right, Patrick and Charlie?
It’s your view that pollution-based corporate blackmail should become *LEGAL* again, eh Patrick and Charlie?
Corporate blackmail’s highly profitable … and so it’s a *GOOD* thing, right Patrick and Charlie?
And if the candidate(s) you favor are elected, that’s what *WILL* happen, right?
OK John, you got me, I want the water to be full of sh*t, the ground to be full of radon and I want to cut the forests down for Post-It Notes.
Now are you prepared to have a reasoned discussion? Legally there is and should be no difference between those corporations, no. It’s called “everyone is equal before the law,” and that used to be what we strove for.
Now, if they are truly poisoning the water we have methods for dealing with that, and laws in place. If they’re truly doing it deliberately we have other methods for dealing with that was well — criminal penalties.
But once again you miss the point of the article. I wasn’t discussing corporate farms but a family farm which is all but been driven out of business by overregulation of the sort you seem to favor.
John, the first step is admitting that you have a problem.
Charlie, like most rural folks, definitely I’m “down” with 4H …
… ”4H == Head, Heart, Hands, and Health”, yah know!
… and that ain’t no problem!
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4H: Head, Heart, Hands, and Health
Search 4-H for “Climate Change”
URL: http://www.4-h.org/search/?q=chlimate%20change%20curriculum
I wondered when we’d get to climate change…
Can you get back to the topic Johnny? We’re here to talk about over regulation and what it’s doing to small business. Everything you advocate would necessarily require more regulation which would by definition drive more family farms out of business.
You just don’t get it, do yah Patrick?
Take bass-fishing and swimming in farm ponds, for example.
For family farmers, clean ponds, surrounded by trees, where kids can swim-and-fish, are a source of pride and standing in the community.
For corporate farmers, taking care of these ponds is a clear drain on profits.
That’s why corporate farm-ponds notoriously are smelly green biological deserts, surrounded by fields plowed right up to the edge of the pond.
The corporate farms don’t care. Because duh, … corporations aren’t in the business of raising crops *or* kids … they’re solely in the business of raising profits.
That’s why environmental regulations help family farmers compete on an economically equal basis.
They ensure that corporate farms sustain the same decency toward kids and the community, that family farms do out of human morality, religious morals, and plain decency.
Naturally, corporations (and their publicists) absolutely *hate* to have this pointed-out.
But it’s plain common sense and ordinary decency, eh?
And common sense and human decency *are* natural conservative virtues, eh?
The trouble being, they’re not natural *corporate* virtues, right?
`Cuz Ma and Pa understand rural communities much better than foreign asset holders, eh?
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Water and the Pajaro Valley
Over-drafts on aquifers
URL: http://ecofarmwater.blogspot.com/2011/09/water-and-pajaro-valley.html
No John, I don’t get it. I don’t get how you can hear the stories from real farmers telling you how the regulations are killing them and still say the regs help the small farmers.
I don’t get how you can hear from real produce farmers how regulations designed for large orchards which they are required to comply with are killing small truck farms and still say the regs are good for farmers.
I don’t live in the big city like you do now John. I still live in a small farming community. I go to church with farmers, my friends are mostly all farmers. I write farming stories several times a month for my newspaper.
I hear again and again from them what the regulations are doing to them and how hard it is for them to keep their heads above water.
So, no, I don’t get it.
Why don’cha link us to a few of yer stories, Patrick?
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Stop USDA loans to factory farms
Des Moines Register
URL: http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/desmoinesregister/access/1915282811.html?FMT=ABS&date=Dec+03%2C+2009
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-hidden-cost-of-ethanol-subsidies/
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/food-safety-measure-would-give-small-farmers-indigestion/
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/preserve-an-ecosystem-or-preserve-an-epa-rule/
There’s three
Yer a teensy bit overdue for a followup story, Patrick.
Patrick, it appears most folks, including both farmers *and* the city folks who breath the smoke, are pretty darn happy with the EPA’s brokering! `Cuz healthy prairies and clean air are what it’s all about!
Now, doesn’t this success make yah feel better, Patrick?
And ain’cha glad there’s now a PJM/Tatler follow-up story?
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EPA official talks air-quality standards progress
URL: http://sunflowerhorizons.com/groups/for-the-future/2011/oct/4/epa-official-talks-air-quality-standards/
*sigh*
John, I talked to the President of the KLA just a few days ago. There’s been no final ruling on the plan. They’re hopeful EPA will approve the voluntary plan and waivers for air quality in the affected cities — but they don’t know it will happen.
Kansas Sen. Jerry Moran has introduced legislation which would exempt the Flint Hills from the Clean Air Act several times. You still miss the point.
The ranchers already consider all of those factors before burning. They didn’t NEED the EPA to tell them to check the weather before they burn.
Oh, and no, most of the landowners are not particularly happy about having EPA sticking their noses in and telling them how to do something they’ve been safely doing for generations.
In your world apparently we need the government to tell us how to wipe our arses in the morning, out here in Kansas we think we have that figured out.
Sigh
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Gee Patrick, maybe a midwest jury — speaking-up loud and clear — can unburden yer heavy heart, eh?
It appears this particular jury’s small-town values are kind of at-odds with yours, Patrick.
But on the other hand, maybe those huge factory-farms (and PJM/Tatler editors too?) sure would like those pesky EPA restrictions, and those pesky midwest farmer juries, both to just plain disappear, eh?
And that has what to do with the story upon which you’re commenting? Just because in that particular case the regulations functioned as intended does not mean they do so in every case. Nor does it mean the regs are not a burden on the small family farms you purport to support.
Even you should be able to figure out that just because some bureaucrat thinks a regulation is a good idea doesn’t make it so.
Well, if a family cattle ranch counts, me. But John, the regulatory burden is driving people off family farms: a lot of the regulatory burden is essentially a fixed cost — it doesn’t cost much less to file the forms for a lagoon for 100 pigs than for 1000 — which means the small farmer is at a major disadvantage.
It’s even hitting subsistence farmers: a judge recently decreed that one doesn’t have the right to drink raw milk even from your own damn cow.
And we need to define “Small Family Farms.”
In Southeast Kansas where I currently reside a small farm is a few hundred, maybe a thousand acres spread out over several fields in two or three counties.
In Western Kansas, where I grew up, most small operators had between two and four sections (one square mile) and I know one of the largest operators had 20 sections across two STATES.
The common perception of a family farmer is a guy with his wife, on the homeplace, maybe 80 acres and a 20 horse John Deer Tractor.
The reality is far different. Yeah, he’s probably got the homeplace sitting on 20-40 acres where he has a small tractor and some sheds with his larger equipment and a truck plot where he raises vegetables for his own table.
He’s also a specialist, who probably has at least a bachelors and probably a good start on a masters degree in agronomy, or biology or a related field.
His farm is incorporated. He runs it like the business it is, or he’s not in business any more. He has hundreds of thousands, if not literally millions of dollars locked up in equipment.
He’s probably diversified as well. Meaning he probably has cash grains on several of his farms. He’s probably got some pastureland where he’s running several hundred or thousand head of cattle — and because he’s a farmer, he’s hired hands to do that part. He may have some dairy or hog farms as well.
Farming is big business these days, regardless if Monsanto or ADM owns the farms or Farmer Bob.
Charlie, then you know that it’s much more difficult for the truly family farm (and by this it should probably be clarified as a farm that is not a large factory style entity) has a much harder time with the regulatory fees and fines, and is many times more likely to get hit with them, even though they are more often than not the least of offenders (as they have some personal stake in maintaining the farm — which the large entities have only their investors to please, oftentimes these investors are foreign and could care less if the land is not conserved, when it peters out, they just sell off and move on).
And you probably know, as well as I do and Physicist does, that the true family farms are more than likely to be fined (for far less glaring infractions) than any of the big guys with their legal teams (and who usually have at least a few political canidates, sometimes from both parties, on their list of “people who owe us some favors”).
There does need to be a distinction made — this is not the freedom our country was created for, and if we all really looked at it the status quo in regards to the balance between the true family farm and the large consortiums vis a vis regulations and accountability would certainly not what most conserve-atives would ever be in favor of.
There doesn’t appear to be much the Obama/Democrats don’t wish to destroy. It’s an unlimited urge to control and spread misery and shortages, from there to dependence on Mother Government.
Obama is just getting those foul Kulaks off the land that rightly belongs to The People.
/sarc
Federal buearacrats hate small businesses. It really is that simple.
To cap it off is the inane idea of paying for idiot suits in which the government automatically pays the lawyers that bring the suits against the govenrnment. If it is a stupid suit (and face it, most of them are) then the organizations bringing them should eat the costs. (and find a real job)
Find a real job?? Not much hope there. In their expensive games with parasite lawyers representing both the plaintiffs and the government agencies, guess who comprises the common cheering squad with real sweat equity totally absent from the charades. No parasite worth their salt is apt to consider work when standing between two fat hosts.
“No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!”
Ronald Reagan
It all about control. They use “green”, environmental issues to take it away from us. Out here in the West, it was the Spotted Owl that destroyed our great Timber Industry. Now, they’re going after the farmers and ranchers with the cry “Save the Fish”.
It’s not about the Fish. It wasn’t about the Spotted Owl. It’s always about the money and control. It’s about getting people off the land. Ever hear of Agenda 21?
And it’s only going to get worse, as Obama implements more of UN’s Agenda 21 requirements. Much more regulation headed our way, unless we somehow stop it.
If you can suggest just one nonviolent method other that impeachment before time expires and lame duck catastrophe begins, I’ll bet everyone is waiting to hear it.
Expect all those that fear making waves in a stacked congress and all TV media to continue to discourage both constitutionally authorized impeachment and third party involvement based on wasted vote theory or split conservative vote count denying a majority while hope for survival of the republic dwindles. When the sack hits the fan it can be washed off but after that point in time body armor may become as common as underwear. The following event due on 11/20/2011 may well initiate nailing the lid on the coffin: http://www.grassfire.com/141/petition.asp?Ref_ID=8341&RID=32535710
Is the point of no return that has been expected or what?
http://www.grassfire.com/141/petition.asp?Ref_ID=8341&RID=32535710
If you can suggest just one nonviolent method other impeachment before time expires and lame duck catastrophe begins, I’ll bet everyone is waiting to hear it.
Expect all those that fear making waves in a stacked congress and all TV media to continue to discourage both constitutionally authorized impeachment and third party involvement based on wasted vote theory or split conservative vote count denying a majority while hope for survival of the republic dwindles. When the sack hits the fan it can be washed off but after that point in time body armor may become as common as underwear. The following event may well initiate nailing the lid on the coffin: http://www.grassfire.com/141/petition.asp?Ref_ID=8341&RID=32535710
You all have no idea how void of logic the govt. regulatory system is. The point of the story was out of control regulation and how it impedes on our freedom. Califonia is a prime example. The Ca. Dept. of Pesticide Regulation through the CDFA is beyond even the federal EPA. The DPR attempts to one up the EPA all the time. Case in point, in the state of CA a field treated with a crop protection product is considered sprayed/treated for 30 days after the spray’s EPA mandated restricted enty interval has expired. A decontamination facility is required for all who may come within 1/4 mile of the field. No mind that the EPA’s post harvest interval is 1, 3, or 7 days. So in application, a field that is ok to harvest (read eat the product here) requires a decomtamination facility to do so. In order to eat the clear to eat produce, you must have a decontamination facility? Furthermore, after the product is gone, you still need to keep the decontamination facility within 1/4 mile for up to 30 ddays after the last treatment! Go figure.
Google Earth flew me to Premium Standard Farms’ readily visible corporate farm facility (It’s four miles NE of Gentry, Missouri, located precisely at 40° 22.240′N, 94° 22.869′W).
This CAFO (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations) is (2 mile X 2 mile) in extend, and encompass eight massive manure lagoons/feedlots surrounding large central lake.
What’s interesting is what’s inside that (2 mile X 2 mile) square. No boats or docks on the ponds and lakes. No family homes. No families.
There’s nothing inside but minimimum-wage no-benefits jobs … minimum-wage no-dignity jobs that are filled by mainly by immigrants …200,000 manure-producing hogs …
… and stench. Stench so bad, that the neighboring families can’t even go outside some days.
Which is why a Missouri farmer juries awarded $11 million dollars in damages against this facility.
But those damaged families so far have collected zero… and maybe never will… `cuz corporate lawyers have been stone-walling the award for ten years (and running).
And *THIS* is the kind family-destroying, job-destroying, environment-destroying factory farm that ideology-first slogan-shouters, who falsely call themselves “conservative”, have been defending here on PJM/Tatler?
Yes I’m talking to you, Patrick and Charlie. Because when it comes to farming, the economy, and the environment, your posts have shown zero understanding and less-than-zero common sense.
Yah got the slogans right, and maybe that pleased your bosses.
But the part that’s important to American farm families, you got dead-wrong.
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Hog Farms as CAFOs (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations)
History of Hog Farming in North Carolina
URL: http://www.soc.duke.edu/NC_GlobalEconomy/hog/overview.shtml