Comments on: Real Liberals Should Support Israel http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:50:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: alan http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/#comment-394728 alan Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:35:49 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65832#comment-394728 Arabs can become Jews and live in peace in the territories. In fact that's their best option. Israel must do its part and inundate the Arab settlements in the territories with Judaism and Israel civilization education. Then the Arabs can be as successful at life as Jews. We are cousins afterall. Arabs can become Jews and live in peace in the territories. In fact that’s their best option. Israel must do its part and inundate the Arab settlements in the territories with Judaism and Israel civilization education. Then the Arabs can be as successful at life as Jews. We are cousins afterall.

]]> By: BettyBlue http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/#comment-393390 BettyBlue Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:22:31 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65832#comment-393390 Moho, if you want money thrown away, throw away a few of your own billions. The American taxpayer doesn't owe you guys a thing. Moho, if you want money thrown away, throw away a few of your own billions.

The American taxpayer doesn’t owe you guys a thing.

]]> By: scott http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/#comment-393275 scott Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:55:14 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65832#comment-393275 You Israel haters can lie all you want but the bare facts remain. The Jews never wholly left Palestine. They purchased thousands and thousands of acres of it in the fifty years prior to 1948. They made the desert bloom and created an economy and a nation where none existed for hundreds of years. They lived side by side with the Arabs that eschewed violence against them and still do. The Arabs could have become Israelis if they wanted to and enjoyed all the benefits of a prosperous nation. BUT Most of the Arabs, being the sick haters that their religion makes them into, chose murder and isolation instead. The surrounding Arab nations refused to absorb them for political reasons, ie the landless Arabs made good weapons against the Jews. Arab supporters, as far as the Israel question is concerned, have no ground to stand on other than anti-semitism. That's what you are. Period. You really are Nazis. You Israel haters can lie all you want but the bare facts remain. The Jews never wholly left Palestine. They purchased thousands and thousands of acres of it in the fifty years prior to 1948. They made the desert bloom and created an economy and a nation where none existed for hundreds of years. They lived side by side with the Arabs that eschewed violence against them and still do. The Arabs could have become Israelis if they wanted to and enjoyed all the benefits of a prosperous nation.

BUT

Most of the Arabs, being the sick haters that their religion makes them into, chose murder and isolation instead. The surrounding Arab nations refused to absorb them for political reasons, ie the landless Arabs made good weapons against the Jews.

Arab supporters, as far as the Israel question is concerned, have no ground to stand on other than anti-semitism. That’s what you are. Period. You really are Nazis.

]]> By: John Kritzwald http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/#comment-393229 John Kritzwald Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:45:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65832#comment-393229 It's very inaccurate to make comparisons between the partition of India-Pakistan and the formation of Israel: 1. The partition of British India was between a single indigenous population divided along religious lines. Not so for Israel: an exodus of non-indigenous Jews from various countries displaced a local Palestinian population. 2. The partition of British India was a mutual decision between the two groups involved. Not so for Israel: the incoming Jewish population wanted to come in, the displaced Palestinians did not want to be displaced and had no plans of such, therefore ending up in refugee camps. 3. The partition of British India was a mutually permanent decision between the two parties involved. Not so for the formation of Israel: the incoming Jewish population considered it a permanent move, while Palestinians were displaced to refugee camps and hoped, and are still hoping, for return. 4. The reasons for the population movement in the partition of British India (fear of discrimination of a minority pop in a newly independent India) PRECEDED the formation of India/Pakistan. The formation of Israel by annexation of Palestinian land and the subsequent Jewish-Arab conflicts ANTECEDED the reason of Arab discrimination as the salient cause for a Jewish exodus (in addition to messianic aspirations, of course). 5. The partition of India was almost an after-thought after an Indian (Jinna), who was working w/ another Indian (Gandhi) in the united cause of Indian independence, considered the possibility of discrimination of a large minority in the near future. In contrast, the formation of Israel was a long-planned concerted effort from outside the region, not a local decision based on local considerations involving the local Palestinian populace of Christians, Muslims and Jews. There is no real similarity between the formation of Israel and the partition of British India except that they occurred around the same time frame (1947) and involved people, land and the British. It’s very inaccurate to make comparisons between the partition of India-Pakistan and the formation of Israel:
1. The partition of British India was between a single indigenous population divided along religious lines. Not so for Israel: an exodus of non-indigenous Jews from various countries displaced a local Palestinian population.
2. The partition of British India was a mutual decision between the two groups involved. Not so for Israel: the incoming Jewish population wanted to come in, the displaced Palestinians did not want to be displaced and had no plans of such, therefore ending up in refugee camps.
3. The partition of British India was a mutually permanent decision between the two parties involved. Not so for the formation of Israel: the incoming Jewish population considered it a permanent move, while Palestinians were displaced to refugee camps and hoped, and are still hoping, for return.
4. The reasons for the population movement in the partition of British India (fear of discrimination of a minority pop in a newly independent India) PRECEDED the formation of India/Pakistan. The formation of Israel by annexation of Palestinian land and the subsequent Jewish-Arab conflicts ANTECEDED the reason of Arab discrimination as the salient cause for a Jewish exodus (in addition to messianic aspirations, of course).
5. The partition of India was almost an after-thought after an Indian (Jinna), who was working w/ another Indian (Gandhi) in the united cause of Indian independence, considered the possibility of discrimination of a large minority in the near future. In contrast, the formation of Israel was a long-planned concerted effort from outside the region, not a local decision based on local considerations involving the local Palestinian populace of Christians, Muslims and Jews.

There is no real similarity between the formation of Israel and the partition of British India except that they occurred around the same time frame (1947) and involved people, land and the British.

]]> By: Thomas http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/#comment-393207 Thomas Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:14:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65832#comment-393207 <b>Good news about Islam!</b> There is a wonderful, new Islamist search engine inaugurated on the web, called <i>imhalal.com</i> (to wit, I-am-halal) I recommend to all of you. My first query was - I need instructions on how to beat my wife - so I asked about it: "Wife Beating By: Dr. Jamal Badawi" If the problem relates to the wife's behavior, her husband may exhort her and appeal for reason. ... islamic-world.net/sister/wife_beating.htm "Wife Beating". Answered by Shaykh Gibril F Haddad. Archbishop of Canterbury and his wife - that beating ... qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=612 Saudi Man Arrested for Beheading Mother-in-Law. Arabian man for allegedly beheading the mother of his Filipina ... arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=81947&d=9&m=5&y=2006&pix=wor... These are the emulating sources from where "Moho" collects his intellectual knowledge. Currently I am working on the modality of "Stoning my wife" subject and I will post the result. Good news about Islam!

There is a wonderful, new Islamist search engine inaugurated on the web, called imhalal.com (to wit, I-am-halal) I recommend to all of you.

My first query was – I need instructions on how to beat my wife – so I asked about it:

“Wife Beating By: Dr. Jamal Badawi”
If the problem relates to the wife’s behavior, her husband may exhort her and appeal for reason. …
islamic-world.net/sister/wife_beating.htm

“Wife Beating”. Answered by Shaykh Gibril F Haddad. Archbishop of Canterbury and his wife – that beating …
qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=612

Saudi Man Arrested for Beheading Mother-in-Law. Arabian man for allegedly beheading the mother of his Filipina …
arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=81947&d=9&m=5&y=2006&pix=wor…

These are the emulating sources from where “Moho” collects his intellectual knowledge.

Currently I am working on the modality of “Stoning my wife” subject and I will post the result.

]]> By: Larry http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/#comment-393155 Larry Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:36:35 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65832#comment-393155 "Show me a Pro-Palestinian activist and I will show you a closet Nazi." Well said JFM I have to add, as I wrote further up, people really - don't waste your time arguing with the Jew-hating trolls like John K. You are not going to change their minds, anything you write will just be ignored, and they will continue to spout out their Jew-hate lies like the mindless zombies they are. Nothing you write will make any difference to them, ever. They have to merely be exposed for the Jew-haters they are, as JFM points out above, and that is that. You cannot appeal to reason and truth with bigots, who in principle have no reason and despise truth. “Show me a Pro-Palestinian activist and I will show you a closet Nazi.”

Well said JFM

I have to add, as I wrote further up, people really – don’t waste your time arguing with the Jew-hating trolls like John K. You are not going to change their minds, anything you write will just be ignored, and they will continue to spout out their Jew-hate lies like the mindless zombies they are. Nothing you write will make any difference to them, ever. They have to merely be exposed for the Jew-haters they are, as JFM points out above, and that is that.

You cannot appeal to reason and truth with bigots, who in principle have no reason and despise truth.

]]> By: JFM http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/#comment-393101 JFM Tue, 08 Sep 2009 11:04:31 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65832#comment-393101 <i>Over 700,000 palestinians were expelled to form Israel</i> Even Palestinans say that mlost of them left after an injunction of the Arab Armies telling them to leave because their presence hidnered operations and anyway "it would be a just a mettetr of a few days". That and the lies aboutr the Der Yassin "massacre" who panicked the Palestinin populqation. Now, tell me why tehy are ignoring 1) The many anti-Jew pogroms during teh thirties 2) The contacvts with the Nazis 3) The fact that about as many Oriental Jews (people who were there since before the Roman occupation) had to flee from the Arab countries 4) The defaning silence when Palestinans are victims of other Arabs. The UAE has given its Palestininas one month to leave. Menaing that they will have t sell tehir possesions at highly unfavourable conditions. Have you heard one of theo National Liberalisten object? I haven't 5) The deafening silence about Sudan. Hundefreds of thousands of murders, eblavings and rapes but no Sudanese flag has ever been burnt. Those Blacks are of no interest to Liberals since they dodn't want to kill Jews Show me a Pro-Palestinian activist and I will show you a closet Nazi. Over 700,000 palestinians were expelled to form Israel

Even Palestinans say that mlost of them left after an injunction of the Arab Armies telling them to leave because their presence hidnered operations and anyway “it would be a just a mettetr of a few days”. That and the lies aboutr the Der Yassin “massacre” who panicked the Palestinin populqation.

Now, tell me why tehy are ignoring

1) The many anti-Jew pogroms during teh thirties
2) The contacvts with the Nazis
3) The fact that about as many Oriental Jews (people who were there since before the Roman occupation) had to flee from the Arab countries
4) The defaning silence when Palestinans are victims of other Arabs. The UAE has given its Palestininas one month to leave. Menaing that they will have t sell tehir possesions at highly unfavourable conditions. Have you heard one of theo National Liberalisten object? I haven’t
5) The deafening silence about Sudan. Hundefreds of thousands of murders, eblavings and rapes but no Sudanese flag has ever been burnt. Those Blacks are of no interest to Liberals since they dodn’t want to kill Jews

Show me a Pro-Palestinian activist and I will show you a closet Nazi.

]]> By: Gary Rosen http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/#comment-393016 Gary Rosen Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:23:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65832#comment-393016 "Over 700,000 palestinians were expelled to form Israel" This is a barefaced lie, Kritzwald. Here is the history you are lying about: The UN partitioned Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state, with no one required to move. The *Jews* accepted the partition while the *Arabs* rejected it and when Israel declared itself a state the Arabs began a war openly declared to be one of annihilation. It was only during this war of self-defense that the Palestinian Arabs became refugees and there is much dispute as to how many were actually "expelled" as opposed to leaving at the urging of their Arab "brothers" who told them they would kill all the Jews and get all of Palestine back for them. Similarly the 1967 war that led to the dreaded "occupation" was instigated by Arab states threatening the annihilation of Israel, to wit, "We will finish what Hitler started" (an exact quote). “Over 700,000 palestinians were expelled to form Israel”

This is a barefaced lie, Kritzwald. Here is the history you are lying about: The UN partitioned Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state, with no one required to move. The *Jews* accepted the partition while the *Arabs* rejected it and when Israel declared itself a state the Arabs began a war openly declared to be one of annihilation. It was only during this war of self-defense that the Palestinian Arabs became refugees and there is much dispute as to how many were actually “expelled” as opposed to leaving at the urging of their Arab “brothers” who told them they would kill all the Jews and get all of Palestine back for them.

Similarly the 1967 war that led to the dreaded “occupation” was instigated by Arab states threatening the annihilation of Israel, to wit, “We will finish what Hitler started” (an exact quote).

]]> By: Moho http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/#comment-392986 Moho Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:38:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65832#comment-392986 Anything to throw a few billion away every year...its only money. Anything to throw a few billion away every year…its only money.

]]> By: BettyBlue http://pjmedia.com/blog/real-liberals-support-israel/#comment-392961 BettyBlue Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:12:25 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=65832#comment-392961 The "Palestinians" have a nation. It's called Jordan. Consider all the billions of dollars that have been poured into Gaza by the rest of the world, and how little the Palestinians have accomplished with it. The sole purpose of their existence is to destroy Israel. Maybe it would be a good idea to turn off the money spigot? The “Palestinians” have a nation. It’s called Jordan.

Consider all the billions of dollars that have been poured into Gaza by the rest of the world, and how little the Palestinians have accomplished with it. The sole purpose of their existence is to destroy Israel. Maybe it would be a good idea to turn off the money spigot?

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