Rahm Emanuel Out of Excuses for Chicago’s Murder Rate
This has all been very embarrassing for Mayor Emanuel. What has made it even worse is that the murder statistics have become a big national story. While New York City achieved the lowest murder total in 50 years in 2012, Chicago had 16% more murders than the year before. Why is Chicago becoming more dangerous while the other cities with which it competes for jobs, tourists, and investments are becoming less so?
In an appallingly terrible article in the New York Times, Monica Davey makes clear she thinks the real issue is not how many murders occur in Chicago, nor whether the murder rate is increasing, nor how the city’s murder rate compares to that of other cities. Rather, the key issue for her is that murders are not evenly distributed within the city.
That is just not fair in her book. Largely white neighborhoods on the white side are described as “Eden-like” as far as safety. Anyone who lives in the city on the north side, as I do, would find that remark comical. The reality is that when the murder rate drops in major cities, the people who benefit the most are minority group members, since they are the ones most often murdered in these cities.
The more than 1,800 fewer murders in New York (comparing the numbers for 1990 and 2012) likely means that more than 1,500 black and Hispanic residents of the city were not murdered in 2012 due to the much lower murder rate. It is likely the case that at least 30,000 residents of New York City today are alive rather than dead due to the cumulative effect over that period of the sharply declining murder rate.
If the New York Times’ primary concern is that there are more blacks and Hispanics murdered than whites in Chicago, then the best solution is to reduce the city’s murder rate. There will still be more blacks and Hispanics murdered than whites. But if the total murders in Chicago were 137 in a year (the New York City murder rate, in effect) or even double that at 274, it would make a huge difference, even in the comparative numbers of murdered residents segmented by racial or ethnic group.
Prediction: Rahm will place the blame on the communities surrounding the people’s republic of Chicago for not “controlling” guns. Lies and excuses flow out of this man’s mouth like, well you know what “through a goose.”
The guy’s so crooked that if he ate a nail, a corkscrew would come out the other end.
In the UK, where guns cannot walk across the English Channel easily, the murder rate has been 50-100% higher since gun control began in 1968. They have increasingly removed firearms from the hands of law-abiding citizens and the homicide rate has gone from less than 0.75 per 100,000 from 1946-1968 to nearly 2 per 100k in 2002, slowing to just under 1.14 in 2011. Gun control has had no positive effect on the overall murder rate in the UK. Why should Chicago be different?
Use this information to refute the gun-grabbers’ arguments.
Don’t care for Rahm but Britian’s homicide rate, percentage-wise, is a pittance compared to Chicagos.
DC blames its gun-violence on Virginia. Shoot, Mike Bloomberg blames New Yorks gun violence on Virginia, too!
Boston blames its gun crimes on New Hampshire.
Exactly. What Chicago needs are more gun control laws and more Freakanomics abortion advocates so the criminals who do the murdering are never born. That should work. I mean look at Chicago they did both and look at how that worked out, so I think that if New York, LA, and the other cities would just follow their lead they could have similar results. Folks this is pretty simple stuff, I mean out law guns #1 outlaw murder for good #2 and work on the abortion thing #3. Sheesh, NOT rocket science for pete sake.
Want to lower the Chicago murder rate?
1. Caught carrying a gun = 3yrs in prison NO good time.
2. Commiting a crime with gun in hand = 5 yrs added to sentence, NO good time.
3. Discharge a weapon in the commissioning of a crime (regardless of injury or not) = 10yrs added to your sentence, NO good time.
This law would not apply to persons defending themselves from a crime being commited against them, or someone they are protecting, or assisting/coming to the aid of.
Put away 100 gangbangers and the word would get out. They would stop packing heat. Try that for 5 yrs and watch the rates drop fast. Liberals would never do it, it affects their voting block in a negative way.
Funny how gun control is not always the answer “head on” anyway.
You’d have to have the cops on the street to make the arrests. Chicago has gutted about 5,000 officers since 2006.
Come to think of it, that might just have something to do with the increased crime.
I suspect the reason for less cops on the street is because of the city falling over a fiscal cliff.
Even more important: Follow the lead of several states and prosecute everyone involved in a crime for murder if that crime results in loss of life, regardless of who is killed or who pulled the trigger. You and your homies try to rob a liquor store and the store owner shoots the ringleader dead? Then you (and every other survivor) are guilty of murder, even if all you did was drive the getaway car.
Those laws, in some form, exist. Problem is, those are the first violations to be bargained down by Chicago prosecutors. Most folks arrested for murder in Chi should have still been in prison, if they had been fully prosecuted the first go round.
I remember reading that the “shoelace holster” was popular in Chicago because the unofficial policy of the Chicago PD was to beat the crap out of anybody who was found carrying an unlicensed pistol and since they don’t give out any licenses, that was anybody carrying a pistol.
It does not seem to have been all that effective a policy even though it eliminates the possibility of escaping punishment by the court system.
The most effective way to reduce violent crime is to realize that most violent crime is committed by a relatively small group of people and that we do not know how to rehabilitate them but that after about age 45 they are much less likely to commit new violent crimes. Put convicted violent criminals in prison until they are middle aged and violent crime rates go down. Or you can allow armed citizens to shoot them in self defense. That works too.
He could ask the DOJ about why they armed the gangs during the “Gangwalker” operation. We all know the answer: Most Chicago gang members are black. DOJ gave guns to blacks. DOJ hates blacks.
If the democrats were serious about reducing gun violence they would be sending law enforcement into those neighborhoods where drug dealers, prostitution, gang bangers, illegal handguns are present; house to house, apartment by apartment, room by room if necessary. There would be arrests, confiscation of illegal drugs, drug money, illegal guns, and prosecutions.
Instead, those same democrats want to confiscate legal firearms from law abiding citizens who have NOT murdered, do not violate drug laws, or engaged in any other criminal activities.
This should tell you it is not about gun violence. It’s about politics. It’s about using the power of government to punish your political opponents.
And they always clamor for more ‘federal” gun control legislation…
Well, here’s an existing one they dont use.
Its a Federal Felony to possess a handgun if you are under 21 years of age.
MANDATORY five year sentence. You don’t even have to shoot someone, you just have to be in POSESSION of a handgun while under 21….
So, just how many “catch and release” 17, 18, 19 year olds have there been in Chicago in the last 4 years?
Two hundred?
Five thousand?
Somebody knows the answer.
And how many of THEM have go on to shoot, wound, or kill someone later?
Somebody knows THAT as well.
They just aint talking about…..
Because it doesn’t fit The Narrative.
I can find no such crime in 18 USC Sec. 922.
It is illegal for a licensed individual to sell a handgun to some one under 21. As far as I know 18-20 y.o. can possess a handgun legally. By Federal law. State laws vary.
Why that law is utterly senseless.
But, New York has much lower homicide/crime rate than Chicago with stricter gun control laws. Could it be that Chicago is a more segregated city than New York? The crime is black on black. The highest crime rates are in the poorest areas of the city. The housing is rotted, falling down, there are no decent shops. It’s an area where the Chicago Police ignored for many years. Now they expect the shooting to suddenly stop because the media is paying attention.
Never let a crooked half pint ballerina go to waste
So, according to Leftists, the problem is that white people don’t slaughter each other at the rate that black people do.
A few more dead white people and that makes it all ok then?
You Know You’re a GUN CONTROL HYPOCRITE IF….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6-FtsnIFsc&feature=player_embedded
I say have NATO permanently stationed in Chicago. It was the only time the city experienced no murders, since it was in a locked-down mode to protect the visiting dignitaries, not its citizens.
It must be:
1. Bush’s fault.
2. Romney’s fault.
3. conservatives fault.
4. old white men’s fault.
5. those that don’t pay enough taxes (with the exception of hollywood elites).
6. all the people that don’t worship obama.
7. evil gun owners that have NEVER committed a crime with any weapon they own.
8. any combination of the above.
9. all of the above.
I will not apologize for continuing to “beat a dead horse”; I am so fed up with the mindless drivel coming from liberal drones that I do not care what they think. If I am to be hated regardless then there is no reason to be civil to those that hate.
Now that the murder rate is garnering Chicago lots of negative national attention (and thus, can no longer be ignored), fancy white Chicago liberals who live in affluent, overwhelmingly white neighborhoods on the north side are blaming the murder rate on the city’s “segregation.”
And who do the fancy white liberals who live in affluent, overwhelmingly white neighborhoods on the north side (miles away from the bad neighborhoods in the south side) blame for the city’s ethnic “segregation”?
White people in the suburbs, of course.
Dude us “liberal drones” don’t think that way necessarily. We just don’t want assault weapons available in the private sector.
IT is apparent that you do not know what you are talking about when you use the term “assault weapon”.
Progessive Dominion produces these results. NYC was a cesspit until they got rid of Dinkins.
That crap started with Wagner, accelerated with Lindsay and Beame. Koch tried, but could only bring it level from the nose dive. What did Dinkins in was his obvious bias in re Crown Heights.
Dinkins actually tried to pull out of the nose dive in his waining months as mayor, hiring current police chief Ray Kelly. But the image was already set in stone, and Dave never would have let Kelly follow-through with full implementation of the ‘broken window’ theory that Bill Bratton brought in when Rudy Giuliani was elected and named him chief.
Bloomberg reappointed Kelly when he took over as mayor, and as much of a nanny-state hectoring busybody as Mayor Mike is, he and Kelly never threw out the Giuliani-Bratton reforms, which is why New York’s murder rate has continued to decline.
But the left hates them, and this past year they waged a major battle to neuter New York’s ‘stop and frisk’ policy. They’re also looking to gut the reforms in 2014, if the right Democrat gets elected as Bloomberg’s replacement. But it’s the fact that the reforms are so tied to Giuliani that makes them anathema to a partisan Democrat like Rahm Emanuel and other Dems in Chicago. They’d rather the Windy City had Dinkins’ 1990 murder rate of six dead bodies a day than admit that their ideas about what constitutes proper policing is wrong and Giuliani was right.
Of course they will go bonkers about “inequality” and blame inanimate objects for murder. To take an honest and good-faith approach to reducing murder would show their key assumptions about human nature to be a lie.
Family matters, and especially fathers, as mentioned in this article.
Culture matters and they are not all magically somehow “equal” – that is the real lesson of the differential murder rates they bemoan.
Further, looking at both perpetrators and victims, the typical murder is the end of a long and winding road of ascending criminality. Treating the early offenses lightly and seeing them as a result of victimization and undeserved poverty does nothing to steer people off this tragic path.
Everything librals rebelled against in terms of culture and criminal justice proves its necessity when we look at the reasons behind our murder rates.
The reason NYC has reduced its murder rate is an expansion of the police force and aggressive policing instituted by Mayor Giuliani and continued by Nanny Bloomberg.. More cops on the street yields lower crime rates. This is actually one of John Lott’s key findings. However, as NYC faces a budget squeeze expect the police force to begin shrinking and crime rates to move up. After all, a big police force will eventually have big pension payouts that will crowd out other spending.
The relationship between the gangs and the Chicago machine is well documented. See Chicago Magazine:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/
Crime is the preferred method of social control in the city. The gang leaders and the leaders of Democratic machine did not care about crime on the South and West Sides until it began to spread in parts of the city especially into the City’s front yard — the Gold Coast. Crime causes poverty, poverty cause dependence and the dependent population votes Democratic.
I now live in Northern Virginia which is only slightly smaller than Chicago. We are safest locale in the DC metro area. Our per capita police density is 40% of that in NYC. Our murder rate is below most European countries and violent crime is rare. By the way, guns ownership is broad based, we are a shall issue state and open carry is protected by Article I, Section 13 of the Virginia Constitution. Demographics plays a big role in our low crime rate but there is no invisible protective shield that keeps DC and Maryland gang bangers out of the community. You can draw your own conclusions on the relationship between broad-based gun ownership in Virginia and restricted gun ownership in crime ridden DC and Maryland.
Not to rain on your parade, but the Potomac River is a visible barrier. Crime would be worse in northern Virginia if the river did not limit the number of access points. Similarly, upper northwest DC, which has Rock Creek Park as a visible barrier, has a lower crime rate than the rest of the city. So, while I agree that the laws in Virginia make a giant difference, it would be inaccurate to say there is no barrier (nor is it invisible).
Now that is pretty lame. Last time I crossed back the river and back I didn’t see any Virginia immigration officials checking cars with DC plates. Same thing on the Metro. I’m pretty sure that there is free movement back forth between the two jurisdictions. I see lots DC plate at Pentagon City (DC’s new downtown shopping area), Balston and even Tysons so I don’t think the river is an obsticle. The reason that NW Washington has a lower crime rate than the rest of of DC is demographics not barriers. The crime rate in NW is still substantially higher than part of the District ceeded back to Virginia know as Arlington County.
You should talk to the crew that knocked off a bank in Ballston the Saturday before Christmas. They got tracked back to their lair in DC. The river didn’t prove much of a barrier to them.
This is like saying the Rocky Mountains are a natural barrier that protects Denver – if only it were true.
Or that I-30 protects the whites in north Dallas from the blacks in south Dallas.
Or that State Highway 360 protects Fort Worth from Dallas.
I thought fort worth was to Dallas what Oakland is to San Francisco or Newark to NYC.
Someone tell Emanuel that Bloomberg is way tougher than he is.
No, please dont…..
Rham will be dreaming of a red gag-ball in his mouth while Nannie Bloomer ties his junk into knots.
And somehow, there will be a FEDERAL SUBSIDY to make that happen.
For the love of god, keep your mouth shut.
Everyone is tougher than twinkle toes is.
“ … there may be other explanations as well for the soaring gang violence, including the police chief’s abandonment of a strategy that proved very successful in New York and — to a lesser extent — in Chicago in recent years: flooding a zone with more police if violent crime is rising rapidly in that area”
… also known as basic cop-on-the-beat police work. But that was probably too simple a tactic for a smart guy such as Rahm who, after serving Bill Clinton, made a pile of money as a somnolent Freddie Mac (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-rahm-emanuel-profit-26-mar26,0,5682373.story) board member and who is BFF with our brilliant POTUS.
Chicago used to have a great PD. Prior to the 1996 Democratic Convention the CPD officers made up (unauthorized) tee shirts, “Chicago PD: We kicked your daddy’s ass in ’68 and we’ll kick yours too”.
I always get a kick out of Rahm’s ridiculous “tough guy” act. I’d like to see him try it in some blue-collar, shot and beer joint in Chicago.
Id be happy if he transferred his kids to a north side private school close to his house. Imagine the fuel, unmarked car, and security detail being burned up traveling from Ravenswood to Hyde Park (UC Lab Schools) every weekday. I was hoping they would have had 2 new classmates just in time for spring semester, but oh well…
But cops arent for POLICING silly, they’re for cronyisn and union kickbacks.
We had a similar issue in Philly. Mayor Street complained the “federal” overtime dollars he obtained to pay for his new “safe streets initiative” dried up, so their couldnt be anymore beat cops walking the streets…and crime went back up.
To which people asked “why do you need Federal money to do THE most basic aspect of your job?”
The cost of the dollar department is a given.
Thats what they “take” from the citizens in exchange for, well, nothing.
Call it “Minimum X”
Oh, you want us to WORK on top of that?
Yeah, thats time-and-a-half EXTRA.
Philly also used to have a great PD, in the days of Frank Rizzo. You have probably seen the classic photo of him going directly from a black-tie event to a raid, nightstick in cummerbund.
At one time the Phila. PD Homicide squad had one of the highest, if not the highest, solution rates for big cities.
I think Rizzo was on the job for that whole M.O.V.E disaster….
Those F-tards deserved what they got, but the police burned down the whole neighborhood with their badly conceived “home-made bomb from a helicopter” move…
Major screw-up people should have been jailed for that.
Wrong there.
Liberal black mayor Wilson Goode was in charge for the M.O.V.E. fire. Just as former Mayor-for-life Marion Francis Berry was in charge for D.C.’s years as “murder city” and hand-wringing “tribune of the underclass” Dave Dinkins presided over the Crown Heights pogrom.
Interesting NY Times article. Did they even take into consideration that whites only make up 45% of the city’s population? That whites are, in fact, a minority in Chicago?
I also have my doubts about the total population count.
This blog post claims that Chicago is estimated to have had a slight population increase from 2010 to 2011. Given the fact that the 2010 census showed a steady DECLINE in Chicago’s population, and nothing has improved in Chicago since then, the only way that could be true is if they were counting a few of Chicago’s famous ghost voters.
In academia, I hear all of these crazy reasons for gun violence in the inner city – such as it’s all due to white racism, i.e. our racist attitudes cause inner city youths to lose all of their self-respect and dignity, causing enormous anger, leading them to shoot each other. In academia, everything is explained via race, class, and gender. They argue that these perpetrators therefore have no personal responsibility for their actions. White people are responsible. Anybody have any suggestions as to how to argue against such nonsense? (I’ve already told them that their arguments are crazy and they call me racist).
Point out that the only other major western ideological system to try and explain everything in terms of race in the 20th century was the Third Reich. Ask them how their blaming the white man for all the ills of the world (and using this to excuse any execrable action on their part) is any different from the Nazis blaming the Jews for all the ills of the world? I’d recommend reading up a bit on Nazi thought first so that when they say “But the white man did X” you can respond: “But the Nazis blamed the Jews for doing X”. Then whatever they say after that, call them a filthy Nazi. See what I mean? Should drive them nuts.
Point out that there isn’t a single country in Africa that is successful. Then point out that most major American cities are “chocolate” with little to no white influence.
They will tell you that Africa is unsuccessful because of colonization. Again it was the fault of the white man. In their mind, if Africa had been allowed to fulfill its natural destiny as a stone-age culture with slavery and a life expectancy around 30, everything would have turned out great.
At least we would most likely have been spared BHO as president.
That’s if you accept that the Kenyan is his father. I think it far more likely that Frank Marshall Davis was far more than his mentor; just look at some pictures.
It WAS the fault of the white man Willie. Africa, in many parts, had a flourishing culture before the white men exploited the people and the resources.
Otto – For the moment, accept their argument as true. Let’s say it was the white racists fault.
Now, what are you going to do? The black community involved in the situation does not like or trust whites. Therefore, whites cannot do anything to change the situation. The black community will need to do it themselves. 1) Don’t get pregnant until you are 20+ years old, married to a man and graduated from high school. 2) Fathers need to show up and help raise their kids. 3) study hard in school and at home. 4) Study things like science, math, finance, engineering. You know stuff that requires logic and reasoning.
These are things that the black community can do and no racist can stop you. The community would be stronger and safer if these things were done by all of the participants.
Those people had their day in the 60′s, 70′s and 80′s. Then the electorate got sick and tired of being told that being born black and poor absolved a man for responsibility for his actions and demanded action on the part of (many) of their politicians. Things changed.
Folks in Chicago are just exercising their Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms. Fair to say that people on the South and West sides of Chicago believe they are defending themselves, their business interests, and their families from various threats including threats wearing blue uniforms. Some call that law-breaking. Others call that resisting tyranny. Second Amendment advocates always remind us that resisting tyranny is one of the reasons that the Founders passed the Second Amendment. No doubt there will come a day when the freedom fighters and capitalists (after all, aren’t gangs just marketing enterprises?) of the South and West sides in Chicago will be treated as heros. How soon folks forget that a Republican President, Richard Nixon, once invited a Chicago gang leader, Jeff Fort, to the White House. Folks in Texas and other states talk a good game about the Second Amendment. In Chicago people live the Second Amendment every day. And everyone complains. I don’t get it?
Come back with more stupid comments once you’ve got the speed limit down to 30 mph on expressways. If you really want to reduce fatalities, that’s your answer. But let me guess–you like driving fast (even though your right to do so is not guaranteed in the constitution), so you won’t be doing that anytime soon.
Harry,
So what youre saying is….
Whites in the suburbs with higher “legal” gun-ownership rates and an “equal respect for the Second Amendment”, are somehow more disciplined and less violent than the “others” who predominate cities like Philly, Detroit, Chicago, Newark, Camden, and LA?
Like, where less than 10% of the population commits 75% of the violence?
You’re saying certain, ahem, *City Folks* cant be trusted with the Rights of Full Citizenship?
I was actually going to make that arguement myself, but, you know….
That would be “racist”, wouldnt it?
I read all over the Internet that the Second Amendment exists so that folks can defend themselves from tyranny. Indeed, Mark Levin apparently made that argument just the other day on his show. We have all seen Hollywood movies that tell us stories about the old west where gangs and gun slingers defended the various and competing interests of cattle men, farmers, railroads and the like. The gangs in Chicago are just defending what they see as their liberty interests. Many gangs market a “product” to suburban consumers and those gangs seek to defend the business interests associated with that product. Other gangs threaten their markets and families. Blue suited thugs (recall for example Detective Burge or the recent “Code of Silence” verdicts) also threaten the interests of Chicago’s entrepreneurial class. It is remarkable how everyone thinks it is fine for private equity to offshore jobs or for suburban people to have assault weapons to “resist tyranny”, but that no one thinks it is fine when Chicago gangs defend their commercial interests. Everyone always talks about free markets. The West and South sides of Chicago are free markets and hotbeds of Second Amendment lovers. You can see the real meaning of the Second Amendment in action every day on the streets of Chicago. Live with it because that is what allowing citizens to own guns means in practice.
Simpleton, have you ever looked into drowning stats? 750 children per year. That’s one Newtown massacre per week. Planning a crusade to close down swimming pools anytime soon? That’s what I thought. See, you LIKE swimming, even though it’s not a right guaranteed in the constitution, so we won’t be hearing from you on the subject.
“I read all over the Internet …”
The source of ALL your knowledge. Explains much.
“We have all seen Hollywood movies…about the old west where gangs and gun slingers defended the various and competing interests of cattle men, farmers, railroads and the like.
Hollywood? Your world view is from Hollywood?
Hollywood always has it wrong…thats why you have it wrong, you watch too much TV. Do some actual historical reading instead of regurgitating fairy tales of the left.
The “wild west” never existed outside dime novelists imaginations. The Per Capita homicide rate of Dodge City (the most “notorious” cattle town ever) never approached that of any “civilized” east coast city.
From 1865 to 1890 the “adult male” population of any cow-town was composed of mostly Civil War veterans, men approaching their 30’s 40’s and 50’s as the decades moved. Men in the “prime” of their lives, with families and business interests. Men who’d seen 5 or 10 THOUSAND killed in a single afternoon. Men who charged cannons with bayonets.
In short, they were strong, disciplined men who would never tolerate some A**hole drunk KID, shooting a pop-gun pistol into the AIR, rob their banks or disrupt their (now) quiet peaceful lives for very long.
And they didn’t. Cow-pokes knew better than to mess with “men with something to lose”. And amazingly, overall the “wild west” was a much safer place to be, with LESS gunfire and LESS murder despite EVERYONE being armed, than the choking immigrant cesspools of any east coast city of the same era.
Same goes for today. People like to think of places like Norway as “model” civilizations for no guns and low crime. Well, guess what?
I can find several dozen “Norways” within the United States..Successful prosperous suburban enclaves of several MILLION people apiece, (just like Norways 3 million total population?) , that have extremely lax Gun laws AND concealed carry options, yet Gun Crimes and Murder are virtually non-existent.
Multiple enclaves of heavy gun ownership, with populations of several “Norways” and “Belgiums” that have LOWER homicide rates than BOTH of those countries.
Guns don’t cause crime.
Democrats, and their disastrous Racial and Social Politics, cause crime.
They corrupt and corrode human character while encouraging lawlessness and dependency.
Which is why the overwhelming MAJORITY of “Murders Despite Heavy Gun Control” in America always happen to occur in the sh*thole precincts that voted for Obama with “Fidel Castro/Idi Amin/Sadam Hussain” level turnout.
And why “red enclaves” where “evil ignorant racist gun owners” live, are the safest and most prosperous places to live you will find on the globe.
Well said. Bravo.
Well said. Some people don’t know what the heck they are talking about.
I live in the so called “Eden” area of Chicago, State and Chicago Streets.
Within three blocks of me there have been two unsolved shootings. One outside a Restaraunt, 300 paces from my building, the second in broad daylight off Michigan Ave.
For the most part the element responsible for the killings, crime and creating havoc via flash mobs, etc. is black gang bangers bangers and there offspring and the Latino bangers that this “Sanctuary City” coddles.
I don’t know why the author of the article doesn’t mention Chicago is a “Sanctuary City”, though NYC probably is too.
In the last six years, three times in this “Eden” I have been alone and approached by one or more thugs with nobody near by or enough time to make a call as they approached. Each time by the grace of god, they pealed-off seeing I didn’t look panicked and like I was carrying something to even the assault. In fact I wasn’t but I do now.
I should be able to go three blocks to get a loaf of bread without taking a cab for fear if getting mugged.
Get a clue people. As our society is growing more and more dangerous by virtue of the economic condition the country is in, the policies of Rahm and his ilk make us less and less safe.
I live by three truths now:
The 2nd Amendment is my concealed carry permit.
When seconds matter, the police are tens of minutes away.
Better judged by twelve then carried my six.
The second amendment means nothing to those who own guns illegally, as they happily ignore any gun laws that exist. On the contrary, law-abiding citizens do value the second amendment for obvious reasons (albeit not too obvious to you, Harry).
Congratulations this is perhaps some of the most sleazy, dishonest writing I have seen in quite a while. I especially enjoy how everything is passively suggested but no opinion is ever offered. Equally absurd suggestions are offered as if they were the only possible alternatives. Stylistically it is almost a tour-de-force of modern liberal technique. Unfortunately that makes it devoid of logic, honesty or any worth what-so-ever. Best avoided entirely.
So are you suggesting that folks on the South and West sides of Chicago don’t have Second Amendment rights to self defense? Or to defend themselves against what they see as tyranny? Is it somehow not legitimate to use a gun when folks attack you at your place of business? Folks on the South Side don’t have those Second Amendment rights? But folks in the suburbs do? So the rules are different if you live in the suburbs?
Harry, are you being stupid or just obtuse? If the second amendment is undermined, it does not affect those involved in criminal activity because they will acquire guns no matter what laws are on the books; however, law-abiding citizens will be affected in the form of being disarmed. Surely this is a concept you can wrap your mind around if you try really, really hard.
Harry, thank you, I enjoyed your claim that Chicago’s murderers are merely exercising 2nd amendment rights. Let’s say they are… then what? Take it to the next level of analysis. Why in south Chicago, but not elsewhere? What differentiates gangsters from the law-abiding? Can you tell them apart without a program?
You won’t like the answers.
My point was that “supporters” of the Second Amendment appear not to understand what the principle of “stand up to tyranny” actually means. Recall from our Nation’s early years that John Hancock was a smuggler (and got quite rich from smuggling), Tom Paine was a seditionist, and in one of the more dramatic moments of the American Revolution, English Colonel Banastre Tarleton failed in his effort to arrest Thomas Jefferson and most of the members of the VIrginia legislature for clear violations of England’s 18th Century equivalent of our Patriot Act. Most people miss the irony of the Patriot Act’s name.
When one so-called “gang banger” shoots another to defend his family and business, conventional suburban people call that “murder.” But our rules for “self defense” are statutory constructions designed to defend a particular set of social interests — just like the laws that Banastre Tarleton sought to enforce against Thomas Jefferson.
If the Second Amendment is truly about letting folks be armed so that they can fight tyranny, then the “gang warfare” on the South Side of Chicago is the best evidence that the Second Amendment is working as intended. We may not agree with the “positions” be taken by the various gangs. But that is precisely the point. During the American Revolution the American public was equally divided between Crown and the “lawbreaking” (what we call Patriot) side. Moreover, the fact that so-called “gang bangers” might be resisting tyranny does not mean that they can escape jail when they kill people. It simply means that we should revisit why gang-bangers are killing one another and see if there is a problem with our system. After all, we were able to find a way to make John Hancok and Tom Paine and Thomas Jefferson into law abiding fellows.
If Second Amendment proponents are serious about the claim that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to give people the means to resist what they see as tyranny, then those proponents need to embrace and own every instance where South and West side Chicagoans exercise their right to keep and bear arms, and in particular, in those instances when the South and West siders stand up to folks wearing blue and a tin badge.
If you say the gang bangers are lawbreakers and we should disarm them, well there you go. John Hancock was in the smuggling business himself — but his name sits proudly on the Declaration of Independence.
The people living the Spirit of the Second Amendment are not those folks with an AR-15 and a thirty round magazine tucked into a gun cabinet in their basement. The people living the Second Amendment are those using guns to protect themselves daily on the streets of Chicago.
How do you introduce Conservatism and Free market Economics to a Liberal?
When aid workers who know their business go to parts of the world where famine has been in place for long enough to see distended bellies, they start with Gruel. Gruel is easy to digest (that gastrointestinal system is way out of shape if the belly is that distended) but is a nutritious meal. Only after Gruel has re-acclimated the stomach to food can you introduce more solid meals.
Basically, Famine infantilizes its victims digestive systems, so you start with a liquid diet.
People too long in Academia and in Progressive Land are similarly reduced to mewling children, and need to have their food pre-cut and chewed for them. So I would start someone like you, Harry, off on something accessible and entertaining before I introduce them to hard-core food for thought.
Because, let’s face it, you and people like you know more about how to make babies (and how not to) than how jobs are created (or about anything else for that matter)
I’d use Milton Friedman as an Introductory to why Conservatism and Free Market Economics. If I didn’t know better, I might think Saint Paul had Friedman in mind when he wrote Romans 12 …
Then I would move on to EconTalk
http://www.econtalk.org
Then to Thomas Sowell (Look up his Uncommon Knowledge interviews – they are an excellent start) …
And finally to Hillsdale College’s Constitution 101 and 201.
Hillsdale’s lecturers are simply not as gifted at it as Milton Friedman, but what they reveal about Woodrow Wilson, FDR and LBJ is, well, revelatory.
This will help you grow up into a Real Boy.
Well said and with patience.
Why bother us with your typical Liberal non-linear thought? Just stick your tongue out and put your fingers in your ears and waggle them. There, you’ve done the second part of your “thinking”. ‘Bye.
Black American culture not only encourages but celebrates sociopathic behaviors.
End of story.
When rappers celebrate books and non-violence, it will be a sign that is what will in turn be celebrated.
I won’t be balancing any plates on my head waiting for that to happen.
I’ve spent years in many poor countries with with mostly non-white populations, many black, and I’ve never once seen behaviors in those lands typical in America among black folks. This needs to be said: relatively speaking, black American culture is a disgrace on a global scale.
bingo!
and that glorification of violence has been aided and abetted by generations of liberal (now communist) politicians who, in the most cynical game conceivable, do exactly what is necessary to to keep the victims hopeless and voting Democrat.
What was the stat? 16,000 voted for Obama in Philadelphia ghettos, 0 for Romney. The same Obama who lived in Chicago for 20 years and never did a single thing to help minorities there.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Check out Michael Nutter, mayor of Philadelphia.
Black guy. Glasses, dorky…a Major Nerd.
If you think Obama is an “Erkle”, take one look at this guy.
He aint got a single “cool bone” in his body.
I’ll lay 10 grand down on the notion he was harassed in grade school and high school, beat-up, books knocked out of his hand, glasses broken and lunch money stolen on a damn near regular basis, by other black kids because he dared to speak well and do his homework.
But of course, tribal politics being what they are,
some topics are forbidden to examine, even when they are the biggest existential threats you
(and “your People”) face on an hourly basis.
Yeah, its Gun Control… THATS whats holding Philly down.
Gun Control, and Racists.
I’ve heard the same thing from some one I know well who had lived and worked in different parts of Africa for several years; saying for example that the ‘dreadlocks’ blacks sport here as an identity “thing” are ridiculed by the African blacks. Also, separately, I’ve heard from an educated black woman here who has traveled inside Africa that there is a distinct and noticeable cultural difference.
They’re simply two different mind-sets; perhaps the difference here in America is that the blacks have so long been accommodated so deeply and widely with an “entitled” and “entitlement” mentality exacerbated by the continuing need to harvest their votes. Then, the expensive part comes when we need to start tapping unwilling sources for the cash to support these ‘entitlements’ wafted about in order to harvest those black votes.
It’s all very circular and self-defeating, as of course is that very socialistic-Ponzi mind-set which keeps these ‘entitlements” being wafted about.
We must break the ‘gimme’ cycle [most urgently the gun-pointing 'gimme" set] but I haven’t a clue as to how that may be done. We cannot legislate social change. So, counter-force is about all that’s effective.
Exactly, Fail. I live in South Africa, and this is my 3rd African posting (starting the end of this year, Chad will be my 4th), and Africans, in general, look at America with stars in their eyes, but at American black culture with a visceral recoil. But, that is sadly changing in South Africa, led by the corrupt, racist and openly socialist ANC. They do nothing while crime explodes, and no one is ever truly safe here. Post-apartheid South Africa also can claim the phrase “Cry, the Beloved Country.”
And as an interesting aside, most South Africans (black, white, Indian and colored) hate the term “African-American,” and refuse to use it.
And if reality isn’t bad enough, the past quarter-century of gangsta videos and Boyz in the Hood movies have made it a thousand time worse.
Harry Huntington, sweetie, there are legal things and there are illegal things. Target shooting is legal, armed robbery is illegal. Running a convenience store is legal, dealing heroin is illegal. Self defense is legal, murder is not legal. But you know that, and you’re just being ironic. Right?
Otto:
Whenever one of these AA (academic a**holes) calls you a racist, smile and say thank you then walk away. Never, ever let them put the white man’s guilt trip on you.
It’s usually the white, upper-middle-class AA trying to lay the guilt trip. Insufferable, smug little TEs (teaching assitants) hoping to get picked up by the university. Their “concerns” have no bottom.
Two things:
Chicago is fully segregated. I spent last New Year’s holiday there. Like three days. I stayed with friends in one neighborhood and saw exactly 4 Black people in as many days. Therefore, no mixing leads to total inequality of enforcement. Chicago is racist, and I am saying this as a registered Conservative, and a Libertarian. It is a racist, segregated society which is sick. The so called Progressive regime provides no economic health for the large pool of unskilled labor. Chicago is a failure as a city. They simply put a few extra stories on each sky scraper after NYC finishes building ours.
Secondly, and in a related vein, in NYC there are SO MANY peace officer living in the general population, that every neighborhood is chock full of armed
cops by way of probation, court, correction and other public officers. It’s not cops per se, it’s someone with a gun on the side of right. This is the one thing that is left out of Bloomberg’s anti gun rhetoric is how many peace officers live in the City of New York. Probably one out of 200 people is packing heat at any given time. So WE DO HAVE people with guns in NYC keeping the peace, they just work for the city or the state.
They also tend to be in far better shape than their CPD/Cook Co. counterparts after 5-10 years in and have the wisdom or gold-plated plan to run off to South after the minimum years of service.
You touched upon a good point with your many cops among the people point. You may have your Rockaways like we have Mount Greenwood, but you also probably have a healthier post-2007 “sketchy neighborhood” condo market. When older cops retire and move from the area, the young cops from the borderline (think Grand Boulevard, Woodlawn, Rogers Park, West Humbolt Park) and immigrant heavy areas move earlier in career to the Northwest Side, Mount Greenwood or Clearing. As a result, these sketchy areas dont have that young buck concerned cop around as much.
Murder rate is an incorrect metric by which to measure violent crime.
The reason is simple: somebody has to die to be a murder statistic, but modern medicine has made meeting that criteria increasingly unusual over the past few decades. From faster response times by better trained paramedics performing more invasive care in the ambulances to the improved technology and training of ERs and trauma staff, care for trauma victims has improved.
Victims of violence usually only die now if they are “Dead Right There,” with severe brain or heart injuries, or if they are injured far from care, say in a crack house rather than on a city street.
A better metric is total violent crime, as reported by the FBI, and even that is finagled differently by police from one city to another.
You are correct, but most of the time overall violent crime mirrors murder rates. That is, if Chicago has the highest murder rate, they’ll likely have the most violent crime as well. It will be a different sum and/or fraction, but the graph would look similar to the murder rate.
Mike,
That may be true in what we call “Opportunistic Violence”
That is to say the typically random drive-by shooting or the fast mugging on the street where the INTENT to murder is not really there and response times are fast. The ‘modern’ police/paramedic response to those, where the perps typically flee seconds after a brief ‘public” assault, may have SLIGHTY decreased Mortality Rates of those victims.
But we still find plenty of bodies, purposefully murdered in the safety and privacy of the “indoor world”. Victims who attackers are loosly known to them and are set up for theft/robbery/sexual assault in semi “private” areas (homes, apartments, cars, bathrooms) and killed “for real, on purpose” to cover the crime, their bodies “found” hours later, or dumped somewhere else.
There is a bit of difference between “street violence you might die from” and being purposefully murdered. Advances in medicine do little to help the latter case.
(Although I do make no moral distinction between the two…all killers should fry, period)
“Chicago Tribune reporter Naftali Bendavid had exclusive access to Emanuel and the DCCC in the year and a half leading up to the elections and ended up with the story of a lifetime, the thrilling blow-by-blow account of how Emanuel remade the campaign in his own ferocious image. Responsible for everything from handpicking Congressional candidates to raising money for attack ads, Emanuel … better known in Washington for his extraordinary intensity and his inexhaustible torrents of profanity, threw out the playbook on the way Democrats run elections.” (Amazon blurb for “The Thumpin’”.)
Had he stuck to bankrupting governors with Down’s syndrome kids, Chicago’s body count might have looked more like a Cub batting average.
Dear Techno;
I hope you were paying attention to this article. In you Mathematical/Statistical ignorance let me explain.
New York had 414 murders in 2012
Chicago had 505 murders in 2012
Now the way you like to calculate things that makes chicago 1.2 times more dangerous than New York.
But sime real mathemiticians got togethere and factored in all of the numbers.
So they included the fact that there are 8.17 million people in New York and only 2.69 million in Chicago.
Now then people can be murdered anywhere even people from chicago can be murdered in New York – but that concept is supurflous so you may find it important but statisticians don’t.
Anyway the Opportunity Rate is 1 for every 19 thousand in New York but only 1 for evry 5.3 thousand in Chicago.
So, when adjusted for frequency, Chicago is 3.7 times more dangerous than New York.
But I’m sure all this math stuff is lost on you, because it’s all the fault of the states around Illinois not having gun control that’s at fault.
Dear Techno;
“Mathematical/Statistical ignorance let me explain.”
Give it up JD. You quoted some crazy statistics that you didn’t have a source for, and when I pointed out what the actual numbers were, you started spinning like a top and dragging the goalposts around to avoid admitting that you were wrong.
I have no problem with per capita crime rates. I will point out, though, that this comparison with new york is surprising for two reasons: (a) new york’s homicide rate crime set a 50-year record low last year, and (b) it was only a few weeks ago that people on this very site were trying to use new york as their anti-gun-control prime example number #1. New york and Chicago both have strict gun laws, and there are other major cities with higher homicide rates.
“But sime real mathemiticians got togethere”
I don’t usually like to do this, but when you’re trying to declare somebody else to be an idiot, it pays to spell your words correctly.
and factored in all of the numbers.
So they included the fact that there are 8.17 million people in New York and only 2.69 million in Chicago.
“Now then people can be murdered anywhere even people from chicago can be murdered in New York – but that concept is supurflous so you may find it important but statisticians don’t”
Actually, I suspect that statisticians involved in law enforcement probably DON’T find it “supurflous”
“Anyway the Opportunity Rate is 1 for every 19 thousand in New York but only 1 for evry 5.3 thousand in Chicago”
Erm, that’s not actually consistent with your previous uses of that made-up term.
“So, when adjusted for frequency, Chicago is 3.7 times more dangerous than New York”
I think you mean “per capita”. If there’s already a perfectly good term, then there’s no need to be inventing new ones.
“But I’m sure all this math stuff is lost on you, because it’s all the fault of the states around Illinois not having gun control that’s at fault”
I have no idea what the specific reasons why Illinois’ homicide rate is rising. I mean, if it’s significantly higher than last year, then something might have changed. Have the gun laws in neighboring states changed in the last couple of years? Or are you perhaps making the mistake of thinking that everything comes down to one measure? (sorry – TWO measures – how many guns and how many black people)
Thank you for Proving my point.
If you say so.
“I think you mean “per capita”. If there’s already a perfectly good term, then there’s no need to be inventing new ones.”
This is what I mean by your Ignorance!
Per Capita is a Subset of Frequency pertaining specifically to people.
In the previous example we were comparing Homes with Guns with Homes with Swimming Pools neither of which are people.
So Frequency was appropriate.
In order not to confuse you and to help you understand how these things work I didn’t change the termonology (which people who understant statistics would have followed) so as not to confuse you.
And yes I did to use opportunity the same way in counting homes with guns vs. homes with Swimming pools in the other example.
Once again YOU LIE!
Ok, jd. There are several glossaries of statistical terminology to be found online. I leave it to you to choose one and provide a link to where it defines “frequency” in the way that you are using it. Frequency DOES have a meaning, but it’s not the one you’re using.
Or drop it. That would be fine too.
It (Techno is an It, as far as I am concerned) knows neither Reason, nor Reason to want to know Reason.
Techno:
As I pointed out above that NYC’s crime rate has declined because of a large police presense and aggressive tactics, some of which have been declared in violation of the 4th Amendment. While crime is down, it is still well above the national average. NYC is safer than it used to be but it is still unsafe. Compare it with Northern Virginia, which is now the population center of the DC metro area, and you will see how unsafe NYC remains.
The breakdown of law and order in Chicago is a product of demographic factors reinforced by the policies of the Chicago Democratic machine.
“While crime is down, it is still well above the national average”
It’s < 20% above the national average for homicide, but as far as large cities go that's pretty good (by US standards). And in other types of crime – rape, property crime, assault – it's way down the list compared with other US cities, big AND small.
The way these per capita numbers are normally figured is in homicides per 100,000. Using the raw numbers provided by the author of this piece that gives New York City a per capita homicide rate of 5.07 per 100,000 (approximately the same as the United States as a whole) and Chicago a per capita homicide rate of 18.77 per 100,000.
One interesting thing about the United States is that the per capita homicide rate for each demographic group is generally lower than the per capita rate in the land of their ancestors. For example, the per capita homicide rate for Americans of Japanese ancestry is lower than the per capita homicide rate in Japan. Similarly the per capita homicide rate for people of Mexican ancestry living in the US is a bit over 7 per 100,000 while the per capita homicide rate in Mexico is generally in the range of 9 or 10 per 100,000. African countries that keep reliable statistics on such things generally have a homicide rate in the area of 30 to 40 per 100,000. That is a significant factor in why many of those countries have life expectancies that are not much more than 50 years although poverty and poor medical availability are larger factors.
I think I’m going to say something instead of lurking as I often do.
@Techno
You don’t know what you don’t know.
And as a result you do not impress anyone by parroting talking points that you don’t really understand.
I will bet with confidence that JD is some kind of SPC Engineer. I recognize the way he talks not because I read a dictionary but because I’ve been around engineers talking on the factory floor of a manufacturing facility.
You keep repeating that he has not sourced his data yet the only one who is not sourcing data is you. JD not only provided sourcing for data, he provided you with his methods for reaching his conclusions. He also showed you why your conclusions were not correct.
What I see in your disagreement is that JD said that in a roll of the dice the chances of a 7 are 1 in 6. You then answered that the chances of a 7 are 1 in 11 because 2 to 12 is 11 and 7 is only one chance in that 11. JD then responds that there are 36 combinations of the 2 dice 6 of which are 7 making it 1 in 6. You follow up by telling JD he is wrong because he didn’t mention weather the person rolling the dice is left or right handed.
@JD
You are showing a tendency to use redundancy when responding to Techno. Is this due to poor English skills or is it the result of something intentional?
If you were to pay closer attention to your writing you may be more effective in what you are saying.
“You don’t know what you don’t know”
That’s life, I guess.
“You keep repeating that he has not sourced his data yet the only one who is not sourcing data is you. JD not only provided sourcing for data, he provided you with his methods for reaching his conclusions. He also showed you why your conclusions were not correct”
You might not be aware that our argument isn’t actually over chicago’s murder rate. It’s over a debate in a previous thread, about a comment he made about the risk of a child drowning vs being shot (by “a gun in the house”). I quoted CDC figures (and I think I’ve told people where they can get them for themselves) on the number of accidental drownings vs accidental shootings in 2010 (CDC doesn’t have 2011 death breakdown online yet).
JD then decided that he didn’t like those figures, and started trying to qualify the conditions. He dismissed my figures for shootings of 16 year olds because there are “13 year old gangbangers”, so I dropped the age to 10, and only counted accidental shootings. So he decided that it only counted if a child was shot by a gun that belonged in the house they lived it, and then (effectively) did the same for swimming pools. He finally decided (effectively) that the “frequency” that mattered was the number of houses which have guns and the number of houses which have pools. I don’t think that’s a useful ratio.
If we want to try to consider the opportunity for being shot or drowned (thus arriving at some sort of relative dangerousness of guns v pools), then at the very LEAST we need to look at the number of people in the relevant age groups who actually live in those houses. Ideally, we’d also consider how many relevant people actually have access to those objects – i.e. if a kid has friends and they all swim in his pool, I think that should count. But we don’t have access to that information, and JD’s assumptions don’t even come close to substituting for it.
But JD still has numbers, and that must have come from somewhere, so I asked him to tell us where that was, and he hasn’t answered.
But even if we allowed for JD’s model, his estimate for the number of US households owning guns (80+ million) is between 50% and 100% more than all other surveys. There are only 115 or so million households in the US – JD’s assuming that pretty much all of them have guns, and that’s just plain not credible.
But when I pointed all of this out, he just accused me of being ignorant of what “frequency” means and claimed that if I just knew something about statistics I’d agree with him. That’s fine, I probably am ignorant – there are lots of things I don’t know. But I challenged him to come up with a reference for his term, and that’s the last I heard.
I don’t know – didn’t take me long to find this;
“The National Association of Homebuilders says there are 105,480,101 currently occupied dwellings in the United States. The 2010 Census found 111,800,000. Given the number of foreclosures and abandonment’s, the NAH may be correct – but for appearances sake it will probably be better to use the official Census number.
Next, a private telephone poll that contacted 1,200 individuals found 58% of respondents indicated a gun in the home. This is slightly higher than the highest percentage from the Gallup poll, 54%, but the Gallup poll numbers are pulled down by fear engendered by active gun control campaigns in the Northeast and West.
A poll of individuals known to be gun owners contacted 758 individuals and found a 29% denial rate. When all the variables, including the geographic ones, are factored in, and with a three percent margin of error, 77.5 percent of American homes have at least one gun.
So we come back to the number of occupied dwellings. Using the Census number of 111,800,000 there are at least 86,650,000 Americans who own a gun.”
Which appears to support JD’s numbers regarding the 80 million number.
So by searching 30 seconds, with an open mind, I found coroboration.
That’s awesome, Dennis. You found a guy’s opinion on a blog site.
We have a long-term national survey run by a professional polling organisation. They’ve been running it for decades. But your blogger doesn’t like that data so he dismisses it and replaces it with a couple of other unnamed polls.
I’m from Chicago (the burbs anyway) and I’m still holding out hope for Police Chief McCarthy- a lot of the policies started before him and you better believe ALL of the police policies are subject to political fiat. He serves many masters given our Aldermanic system and the absence of a Daley to dictate. That being said, he did an impressive job with the NATO protests (he was literally on the front lines monitoring and commanding directly to his troops, something Jodi Weiss would not have been doing, and in my opinion that allowed the cooler heads to prevail but law and order to triumph. I watched that coverage like it was the Super Bowl half hoping for a hippie whomping of Old Man Daley proportions).
And what he’s said about wanting more gun laws needs to be diagnosed specifically- he’s calling for heavy penalties for crimes committed with guns, which Chicago does NOT have (liberal sensitivities about locking up violent criminals and all), for one thing. And to me thats a point the NRA and everybody else is missing the boat on. When idiots like Piers Morgan ask what additional gun laws you would possible support- the answer should never be none. The answer should be, if you commit a violent crime using a gun (a robbery, an assault), you should go to prison for 30 years. IE- punish the criminals harshly instead of the victims and the rest of us.
“When idiots like Piers Morgan ask what additional gun laws you would possible support- the answer should never be none. ”
Oh Yes It should!
Hard Time for Armed Crime isn’t a Gun law.
It’s a Criminal Law and there is no way on earth Piers Morgan would ever accept it as a Gun Law.
When Liberals say Gun Laws they mean restrictions on law abiding Gun Owners – Period.
Here’s the solution to the murder rate.
Drop the murder rate in the minority – that would be black and hispanic – communities to that of the white community. All of a sudden the murder rate is half what it is now.
The problem isn’t guns, it’s no fathers and no families.
In NYC, 3% of all gun violence is committed by whites. It is what it is. We are talking about a culture of criminality, exaggerated notions of respect, and plain debauchery.
An armed society is a polite society.
So, looks like the only solution is to just boycott Chick-filet some more.
Rahmbo out of excuses? Nonsense. Liberals never run out of excuses.
When gangbanger A offs gangbanger B, that’s a plus. Send them more ammo.
Chicago politicians have been courting the gangs to get votes for years. Part of the payback is that police go easy on the gangs. Now the politicians are worried their new ward heelers are getting out of hand?
http://www.chicagomag.com/core/pagetools.php?mode=print&url=%2FChicago-Magazine%2FJanuary-2012%2FGangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance%2F
900? Maybe all they need is one more.
One?
This is CHICAGO.
The most corrupt place in recorded human history.
Chicago is built upon a criminal infrastructure that now permeates and pervades the entire US.
Just for starters, you’d have to take out everything from the street gangs to the unions (not just the public employee unions, and not just in Illinois) to academia/the foundations/the NGOs to the mainstream media to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Good luck with THAT.
It’s time to consider something more practical.
Obama is just another chicago punk.
You Know You’re a GUN CONTROL HYPOCRITE IF….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6-FtsnIFsc&feature=player_embedded
A few more dead white people- that was my take too.
I’m sure liberals exempt themselves from the carnage though.
Oops! This was supposed to be in response to poster#4.
you want to stop gun violence banish democrats ….let them have the entire West Coast where they can kill each other with a mad happy abandon and then tax those who survive ….where is it and who commits most of the violence here in the U.S
In 1928 the population of Chicago was higher and the homicide rate was lower. Why is this significant? Because Thompson submarhineguns were legal then and they aren’t now.
There is little doubt the coursening of our society has something to do with all of this. The left has been successful in their attempts to remove God from our society and it’s had a effect. The left has also been successful at removing mothers and fathers from the home. Their policies have made it critical to have a 2 income family and their making women a “minority” group has made it palatable for employers to hire them to get their minority hiring rate up.
I have no idea what the solutions are, but I’m sure Democrats don’t have them. What has Rahm done about the Chicago murder rate? The same think Barack Obama has done about the debt.
I would suggest that Chicago should just be bulldozed into Lake Michigan, but the rats would just disperse like they did from New Orleans.
Maybe just put razor wire around the place and let nature reclaim the area. Might make a nice social experiment the greenies and tree huggers would get behind.
Do the same thing to Detroit, Memphis, Atlanta, St. Louis and Filthadelphia (for starters).
Bloomberg blames gun violence on 32 oz. sodas.
The sad, unfortunate thing about this, supposed AGW, tackling obesity, protecting our borders and infinite-like other subjects is the sycophantic press and their emotionally-led audience is thee majority of our nation. Heck the Western world.
Trying to engage conversation with those of differing views is pointless. For Illiberals and the oxymoron-like ‘progressives’ use overwhelming emotiona in their canned and nonsensical responses, decisions. You CAN’T convince an emotionally charged person. Even if presenting undeniable, damning facts to refute their stance.
I gave up on attempting lucid discussions with the aforementioned friends and colleagues and keep the conversation apolitical.
Oprah, Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz and other anointed ‘self-help’ boobs pick and choose, spout pop Psych 101/ 102. Whereas their audience (in both person and the digital audience) is nodding in unison like good little lemmings as if the aforementioned phonies are Homer, Socrates.
The other day I’m at a friend’s house and his wife is watching ‘The Biggest Loser’. Has anyone seen this program.. my God.
The opening scenes provides exploiting fat kids on their program ( a first apparently), flashing pics/ sound bites of Bubba, Bloomberg, the wombat/ 1st Lady speaking of obesity. The program constantly refers to the anti-fat program the wombat’s pimping. Ugh.
Though the focus is on the EXTREMELY low informed, empathy seeking fat adults participating in this fat camp. Where their trainers, like Oprah and the other ‘gurus’ are having supposed heart-wrenchingly personal conversations with the cameras rolling.
The whole sordid program is so canned and predictable.. the program being big government advocates to intervene is apparent too. I dunno.
I took in ~15 minutes of it and suggested we go outside and finish our pints.
Though this program is 1 of HUNDREDS out there. The information highway is so skewed and f’d up, purposely steering towards Orwellian type NWO it’s scary.
I liken the end game for Conservatives to what Star Wars character C-3PO says in Episode IV. ‘We seem to be made to suffer. It’s our lot in life’.
I’m not saying to give up nor go along to get along. Though being confined to Sisyphus-like duty when engaging others is quite tiring for this guy…
2ndly, the Napoleon-like Rahm Emanuel and like minded despots use emotion, not reason for their sound bites, policies.
Again, considering most people nowadays function on the lowly plane of emotion most it’s proven to be very successful for Emanuel, Barack Kardashian and other Illiberal pols.
Much of Obama’s 2012 campaign ‘talking points’ (War on Women, Romney’s only for the rich, fired people whose wife later died of cancer etc.,) were proven false well BEFORE election day. Though the seed of nonsense was planted in the low informed, emotionally-led voter so his and his campaign’s work was done.
Whether it’s fear, anger, greed (whereas L.A. County has again fired up their ‘buy your guns’ campaign. Nothing screams I care about the safety and welfare of my community than receiving cold hard cash in exchange for your Luger) etc., there’s a nonsensical leviathan Conservatives, Libertarians and true Independents can barely contend with. Jmo..
Chicago needs a more gun control laws.
World class? So’s Detroit and Lagos, Nigeria. Bah.
Nothing to see here! Ban guns AND free speech!
If majorities get the public officials they deserve, we’re in trouble.
Rahm needs to explain why the bulk of the murders occur in black neighborhoods. He uses the excuse that the killings are gang related, or drug related. Why then do gangs only develop in black neighborhoods?
Is the New Black Panther Party involved with the shootings and is this the reason why the DOJ stays away?
Gangs and guns. Gangs using guns to fight over “turf.” Gangs may be somewhat territorial, but what is the underlying profit motive of gangs? What is the advantage of owning a turf, unless by doing so, you dip into a river of money and influence? I’m guessing that the money comes from drugs and vice, and the influence flows directly to city hall and the Chicago police department. Poor, helpless mayor Emanuel… it’s those pesky gangs and guns!
1. There are several very active Chicago-police-run blogs which make a very good argument that Rahm’s celebrated drop in Chicago crime is simply the result of false editing of the crime statistics. Here’s one of the better ones: http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/ . They make some valid points.
2. The NYT article leads directly to a conclusion that the situation in Chicago would be better if more white people were murdered – that the problem isn’t the murders themselves, it’s the inherent racism that results in a disproportionate number of blacks being murdered.
Response to Casual Observer (since the Reply button doesnt accompany his response to question. 16: “and the Latino bangers that this “Sanctuary City” coddles…I don’t know why the author of the article doesn’t mention Chicago is a “Sanctuary City”, though NYC probably is too.
Absence of Sanctuary City policies wouldnt apply to those of Puerto Rican origin since they have a sort of legal status. Much of what you may see in the the Gold Coast/River North has been spillover from Humboldt Park gang conflicts a little bit to the west (HP is a mostly PR neighborhood). The Latin Kings, Maniacs are legacy Rican gangs. MS-13 and the California type gangs are more of an outer suburban problem.
I’m not saying that sanctuary city policies are bad but as far as the City of Chicago is concerned would not do much for the murder rate, particularly since its children and anchor babies that are more likely to get sucked into gangs. I would offer the lifting of the Sanctuary only if it enabled me to go medieval on the black gangs.
I’m also guessing the author read some of Jack Dunphy’s column from last week. Gates knew what he was doing with Special Order 40. If the Latino population miraculously started moving eastward toward the lake on the South Side and toward I-290 on the West Side, you might see the same results as in L.A. (That might also explain a little about NOVA as well).
From what I understand, Rahm is very upset with this year’s numbers, and he really wants his city to do better next year. He is scheduling free range time at all the Police Training Academies for all gun carrying gang members so they can get more practice in and improve their accuracy. Just too many misses this last year.
“It also has, by far, the highest murder rate among America’s ten largest cities.”
This is not true. Philadelphia (#5) has a higher murder rate (331 / ~1.5 mil = 22.06 / 100,000) than Chicago (506 / ~2.7 mil = 18.8 / 100,000). This isn’t even anywhere near Detroit or St. Louis. Not that that makes the situation in Chicago any better, but please learn some math.
Head of Pro-Abortion Group Caught Arranging Sex With Child by Steven Ertelt 1/10/13
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/01/10/head-of-pro-abortion-group-caught-arranging-sex-with-child/
I have been a police officer for 22 years, and seven of them in Chicago. The reason Rob is running out of excuses is his acute awareness of political correctness. The murder rate in Chicago is because of the Black culture and values…it’s a Black Thing. The murder rate, by and large is not Whites killing Whites, it’s Blacks killing Blacks, with a few Whites thrown in for good measure. Call a spade a spade, whether it’s a Muslim thing or a Black thing. Truth is hate to those who hate the truth.