Proof: New Records Show DOJ Lied About New Black Panther Dismissal
Judicial Watch made an explosive announcement today about the Justice Department’s stonewalling in the New Black Panther voter intimidation case dismissal. Forced to bring a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit after DOJ rebuffed its public records request (so much for transparency), Judicial Watch obtained a privilege log from the DOJ last week.
It shows — in a rather dramatic way — that the DOJ has been untruthful about who was involved in the dismissal of the case.
In July, I complied with a subpoena and provided testimony to the United States Commission on Civil Rights. I did so in part because inaccurate statements had been made about the case by DOJ officials. Some of these statements falsely claimed that ethical rules mandated the dismissal of the charges against the New Black Panthers. This was nonsense.
But the real whopper? DOJ’s claim — repeated over and over again — that career civil servants were wholly responsible for the spiking of the case.
Today we learn, from the Department’s own records, that this claim is demonstrably false.
The privilege log produced in the FOIA litigation contains stunning entries. They show regular discussions and deliberations between the highest political officials inside the DOJ, including the deputy attorney general and the associate attorney general, about what to do with the case. This contradicts numerous statements made to Congress, the Civil Rights Commission, and to the public.
Some of these statements were under oath.
For example: on May 10, 2009, the third highest-ranking official inside the DOJ — Associate Attorney General Tom Perrelli — emailed Sam Hirsch, one of his deputies:
Where are we on the Black Panther case?
The description of the email contains a bombshell:
asking for update on the NBPP litigation between officials in the [Associate’s office] and noting the [deputy attorney general’s] current thoughts on the case.
The deputy attorney general is the second highest-ranking official in the Department. The use of the term “current thoughts” implies that there were prior thoughts and ongoing discussions with the second highest-ranking political official at DOJ about how to handle the case.
Further, the logs show dozens of communications between senior DOJ political officials in the two weeks prior to the dismissal of the case.
Congress and the public have been told — for over a year — that the dismissal of the New Black Panther case resulted from nothing more than a dispute between lowly career civil servants. Lapdog reporters have repeated this lie, if they even covered the case at all. The documents uncovered by Judicial Watch expose the ruse.
Rarely in our nation’s history have officials in the Department of Justice engaged in a dishonest misinformation campaign to Congress, the public, and other fact-finding tribunals. Thankfully, these few episodes have been confined to the darkest and most corrupt eras of the republic.
Sam Hirsch is a former Democratic Party operative, and one of the most partisan election law attorneys in the entire nation. He worked for the Democratic Party in numerous redistricting fights, trying to squeeze every last drop of partisan advantage from plans in places like Texas. He has led efforts to impose racial divisions on Hawaii by creating native classifications and powers — and he is proud of it. He was heavily involved in the Obama presidential campaign.
As deputy associate attorney general — a senior Obama political appointee — Hirsch emerges in the privilege logs as the fulcrum around which the New Black Panther case was dismissed. Throughout April and May 2009, Civil Rights Division political appointee Steve Rosenbaum engaged in extensive legal analysis with Hirsch. In turn, Hirsch had extensive communications with Associate Attorney General Perrelli about the case. The emails are sometimes described as “deliberations” between the senior political appointees. These are deliberations which the DOJ inferred never existed. Nothing more than a dispute between civil servants, they repeated without equivocation.
The privilege logs show at least thirteen communications between Hirsch and Perelli in the two weeks before the dismissal on May 15.
On April 30 alone, Hirsch and Rosenbaum communicated at least eight separate times about the case. This occurred the day before the Voting Section decided not to seek a final injunction, and instead asked the court for a two-week delay. Someone, somewhere, didn’t want the easily obtained victory by default. Perhaps it was now-resigned Deputy Attorney General David Ogden. After all, he had some “current thinking” he was eager to share. Perhaps it was someone else.
On May 8, the same day that the logs show the Voting Section provided its analysis supporting a full remedy against all four defendants, Rosenbaum immediately forwarded the Voting Section’s work to the associate attorney general’s office. It’s clear from the logs who was calling the shots — and it wasn’t the career civil servants. Rosenbaum looks like an errand boy, nothing more.
The logs also show extensive communications between Rosenbaum and multiple lawyers inside the Civil Rights Division’s Appellate Section. Apparently Rosenbaum was looking for a second opinion to back up political hostility to the case. He never got it.
According to the logs, the Civil Rights Division’s Criminal Section was also recruited to help kill the case. On May 12, Rosenbaum wrote an email to political appointee Hirsh, which the privilege log describes as follows:
[Rosenbaum] provides [Associate AG] in charge of CRT with requested follow-up information and confirmation that additional actions would be conducted by Criminal Section Chief per his request.
The logs reveal a full court press to find someone, anyone, willing to provide a death blow to the case with the imprimatur of the civil service.
They never got it.
Political officials Rosenbaum and Hirsch communicate an additional twenty-two times in the days before the case is finally dismissed on May 15. Hirsch even had to review the scaled-down final order which prevents King Samir Shabazz from brandishing a weapon until 2012, and only in Philadelphia.
Reading the logs, one is struck by the level of intimate involvement by the highest-ranking political officials at the DOJ. Frankly, the level of political coordination saddened me, especially given the countless statements to Congress and the public characterizing the decision as having been made only by civil servants.
For example, DOJ press spokesperson Tracy Schmaler has crowed about the Panther dismissal being made solely by career civil service attorneys, and the resulting controversy being nothing more than a “disagreement among career attorneys.” False. Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez repeated the same mantra to the Civil Rights Commission. Again, not true.
When Justice Department officials deliberately misrepresent facts to the public and to Congress, there must be consequences.
Schmaler is the same press spokesperson who accused me of deliberately misrepresenting facts to advance an agenda. My testimony was under oath. I gave up a great job at the Department so I could truthfully comply with a subpoena. My only agenda is the truth.
Schmaler, or another Justice official, told Fox News that I had been reassigned to other duties and was therefore a disgruntled employee. This was laughably false. I hadn’t been reassigned anywhere — instead, I had been promoted two weeks before I resigned, and had the same duties with a GS-15-9 pay grade. When I heard this lie, I was astounded that someone at DOJ would not only breach personnel privacy policies, but engage in gutter tactics so completely divorced from the truth.
General Holder should ensure that the first obligation of his press shop is to tell the truth, then spin afterwards. And reporters dealing with Tracy Schmaler should be cautious.
The logs show political officials Hirsch and Rosenbaum, and a press spokesperson, swinging into action as soon as the press reported the dismissal on May 28, 2009. “Response to Malkin” shows up on May 28 — they were coordinating a response to Michelle Malkin’s exclusive breaking the story of the outrageous dismissal. These communications are characterized by the log as “pre-decisional,” and therefore protected. Of course, the decision to dismiss the case had already been made. I can’t wait to see what the court does with that in the FOIA litigation. (Though I suppose the decisions about how to cover up the truth of the dismissal were in the formative, pre-decisional process.)
If Congress ultimately suspects that they were lied to, they might scrutinize an undated entry: Karen Stevens is listed as an author of “talking points for the Attorney General regarding the DOJ’s handling of the NBPP litigation and the decision to drop charges.” She should get a subpoena from Congress next year also.
Similar entries evidencing the creation of an ultimately dishonest spin are throughout the log.
I would not be surprised if the log omitted documents. Inspector General Glenn Fine’s investigation of the Voting Section should include an inquiry into whether the Department is fully responsive to various requests from Congress, the press, and the Civil Rights Commission.
The log provided by DOJ to Judicial Watch contains numerous unidentified documents. The listing provides no information whatsoever about these documents, as the identity of both the authors and recipients are omitted. Congress might also demand to know what all the untitled, undated entries are in the log.
Today was a very bad day for the Justice Department, but a worse day for our country. The privilege logs show what most Americans suspected all along: that the Department was lying, and the corrupt dismissal of the New Black Panther Case was made high up the political chain of command.
Let’s see if the Department’s defenders in the press and on the Civil Rights Commission keep repeating the lies.
So what happens now? Nothing, I suppose ;-(
you took the words right out of my mouth. all this info is nothing more than “entertainment” unless action is taken now. I just wonder what is going to be done.
Maybe so, maybe so. But the terrain the Obies plowed so fruitfully has been salted, and not by US, but by themselves. They have, as the Conventional Wisdom espouses, overpromised and underdelivered. No public appearance, no message jiggery, no PR consultant will change that; not before the next election, not ever. They have spat in the face of reality. She is displeased.
True, true Megapotomus, and I agree. However, and unfortunately, this story is not being told. I didn’t even see it on with Meagen Kelly today on Fox and she was the one who covered it the most. It will be interesting to see if anyone, besides those reading this now, cares about this story anymore. It should be HUGE! They are stinking liars!
Thank you Chris and all. Post a Green Party write in candacy on your cars for Nov 2. LOL There are a dozen or more doing so in AZ.
Nothing will happen. But, people are tired of the double standard. Bush and Chaney had to endure the ridiculous congressional hearings, er “witch hunt”, over Valerie Plame. No one cared about that issue except the lamestream media. The NBPP case is different. People care because they are sick of the left getting away with hurling unsubstantiated racist accusations at conservatives while never being asked to answer to their own obvious and disgusting racist motivations.
And…..that will surprise you somehow?
this will result in the same thing as did clinton when he said what is is,inother words this will bring our country down because now we can all lie and not obey the law,we can do what ever
Just another few bricks toppled out of the credibility wall.
We assume good intentions and honest effort from our government officials at our own peril.
This clearly shows that the Department of Justice is now controlled by black racists. They are protecting other black racists. The word “Justice” should be removed from the DOJ and subsituted with the Department of Black Racism.
I would say they are infested with racists period. I believe racism is racism is racism. but remember the progressive socialist left (the useful idiots anyway) dont see it that way. the see the actions that if were done white on black would be considered racist, as “social justice” when reversed. I say the useful idiots, because the ones running this care nothing about race or any of that stuff. its about power and bringingabout their revolution. and while i dont think it is neccesarily one big conspiracy, youcan see the individual groups using a quasi truce and playing off each other to combine power to destroy a common enemy…….us!
I should not be do fast: Now, how many of those involved are Jewish – can we have that racial breakdown? Some of the names just do not sound Black enough.
Hirsch and Rosenbaum do not sound like black surnames. I think we can safely assume who they are. And it does not surprise me at all. After all who is the legal arm of the left?
Please show a distinction in your comment before you set off an ant-Semite spur of this discussion. There are religious Jews who follow the Talmud and the Torah and are conservative and more aligned with the Republican party. Then there are leftest-liberal ethnic Jews who know zero about Judaism and what it means to be a “lover of GOD”. These are the sell-outs who voted for Hillary, Bill, and OBama.
If you cannot make the distinction yourself then you are also hiding from the fact that far too many American Jews hate America and for all practical purposes hate Judiasm. And anti-semitism has about as much bang to as being called racist.
If you cannot make the distinction yourself then you are also hiding from the fact that far too many American Jews hate America and for all practical purposes hate Judiasm.
There are many other people reading these comments who cannot make the distinction between those Jews who are associated with the Jewish community and those As-a-Jews who have no relationship other than when they need to really put in the boot and they commence with: “As a Jew …”.
Anyway why imply collective guilt when it is those individuals who defile their roots and have distanced themselves from the decency, evolved over the centuries, of the Judeo – Christian tradition that should preoccupy your thoughts?
From what we, outside of the States, can see is that there many “Jewish” names floating around many of them who have assimilated and have no Jewish connections now; many who threw out any Jewish heritage for the Left and its ideological hubris a la George Soros.
AMEN! YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH. THERE IS NO JUSTICE GOING ON IN THE SO CALLED DOJ RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE TO BE THE RIGHT COLOR AND POLITICAL STRIPE. SORRY MESS WE ARE IN!
Another feather in the cap of the Obama crime family. Laws? We don’t need no stinkin’ laws.
(godfather voice)
My friend here is black.. AND he’s a leftist activist… we have been made aware that he has actively supported us and expended time and energy on our cause.. he asks this small favor, that we cease our efforts to persecute– I mean, prosecute him for criminal behavior.. military uniform? Pah.. it’s fashionable clothing. Jackboots? Stylish. Nightsticks? Those were walking sticks, our friends are not as young as they were… heh heh.. seriously, Guido, see that this goes away. You may have to kill some cracker babies, but we are nothing if not loyal to our people, capische?
I’m sure they were just talking about sex.
This isn`t just about the infamous justice head man but I believe it has white house implications.I believe the President will have to own up.We can expect to see a “friendly” beer session on the white house lawn.
It seems that the next Congress could spend the session year doing nothing but investigations of the criminals in this administration. Unfortunately, this won’t be the worst thing looked into.
As to the press, I’m sure the fax from the White House to bury this news has already gone out.
Woodrow Wilson wasn’t as big a thug as Barack Obama. And it’s about to get a whole lot worse.
“Black Panther” is neocon code for “black.” You are a racist bigot.
No matter what we say, we’ll be called racists. Might as well tell the truth – perjury has occurred by senior justice department officials. If it was a Republican administration in power the NYT and the WP would be calling for impeachment. Now, not so much.
Speaking of the media, I have not even seen the clip of voter intimidation played on any network other than Fox lately. Whenever it does get mentioned in the MSM, it always gets dismissed as a weak case without enough evidence, with no mention of the fact that the entire thing was caught on camera and witnessed by dozens of people. We’ve reached an Orwellian critical mass when what we actually see with our own eyes can be spun by a complicit media into something completely different. I still haven’t been told what it is exactly that we are supposed to see on the videotape other than a crime, only that I am a racist for seeing what I saw (and everyone else knows they saw too). I suppose the sky outside is not actually blue either. Orwellian indeed.
yes it is Wiggles, yes it is…and that is why I use
“black panther” as often as possible..me and my neocon phrases are cool. One day I’ll sit down and type up all my racists code words and share them with you so that you will not be left wondering.
The ones at the top of my list right at this moment are OBAMA, democrat, liberal.
There will still be calls for impeachment come next January, you can count on that and a full investigation on da hwon.
“Racist Bigot” is leftist for “Regular American who resist turning our country into a corrupt, authoritarian, crony capitalist, welfare state”.
Sorry Alice. That card is all used up. Honest Americans are not buying that nonsense anymore.
Alice, honey, I’m pretty sure the Black Panthers are black. I think that’s why the name is “Block Panthers.”
Some code.
Note to Self: Notice how deftly “Alice Wigglebottom” parries the thrust of this column. When next in an argument try using the term “racist” as a counter-argument. If race is not relevant to the argument place a descriptor the in front of “phobe” i.e “homophobe” “islamophobe”. Also if called a name i.e. “racist” parry by answering “I know you are but what am I?” repeat ad nauseum.
“it” calls everyone a racist, everyone conservative.
I generally say the one who yells racist is usually the racist. …and has nothing of note to debate with.
Alice, your last name is sexist.
And … Alice Wigglebottom is leftie troll code for “Betty Knows”. You can’t teach an old troll new tricks.
YES!!!
Alice, I agree with you. Most but not all people on here are mostly racist but they are in denial. Pay no attention to their infantile comments. Their neurosis is showing for all to see.
Blah Blah Blah Blah, no one listens to you anymore. Its over pal.
“Most but not all people on here are mostly racist…”
Sure.
I like members of the human race.
Can’t stand members of the lefty race.
Yeah, and the white rabbit was late for a very important date….
Alice Wigglebottom is either a joker or a spambot. I saw this same quote on another thread, only with a different “neocon code word”.
she, Betty/Alice, does his all the time..simply trolling along.. I don’t think she means any harm, I believe she claims to be from Iran..that could account for a lot of her/his posts.
I have noticed that there really are less trolls here then say six months ago.
…. I guess G. Soroholio isn’t paying enough or the trolls can actually read and write and find they are on the wrong side of the debate.
I know you are but what am I?
Why that’s just precious, little girl. Do your parents know that you’re playing with their computer?
It has been months since I saw the film clip of the Black Panther’s with their clubs in front of a voting facility and I still react with shock and anger at that clip, and also for the fact that no serious legal action has been taken against these young men or their organization.
But I also remember a film clip of a young African American, following the election of Barack Obama, yelling at the photographer that now America is see what it’s like to live under the rule of a Black man.
God save America!
Lemme break it down for y’all. If the process was in any way legitimate or if the legal reasoning for the dismissal was in any way plausible, the DOJ would have explained themselves ad nauseum, and been forthcoming with all manner of documentation. This was a favor to some “helpful” community organizer types, and the administration figured a Dem congress and compliant media would keep it from becoming a front-burner issue. That confidence seems to have been mostly well placed.
Time to dust off the John Mitchell wing of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
“On February 21, 1975, Mitchell was found guilty of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury and sentenced to two and a half to eight years in prison…”
Bingo.
This is a weak case just like Watergate was just a little burglary gone bad.
And the anger builds…
Mealy-mouthed excuses and uncomfortable silences only stoke the rage.
I counsel calm.
We are being racially provoked, recognize it for what it is. These provocateurs badly need an act of violence so that they can reclaim their victim status and further their agenda by discrediting us.
Our day will come, and then these prostitutes and their pimps will be pulled down and cast out. Channel the anger constructively.
And that is all it is. It is the only thing that makes sense. It is a full frontal assault with all the Alphabet organizations to stoke a response. they have no answers for any of the problems that our country or it’s people face. The useful idiots WANT THIS SO BADLY, THEY CAN TASTE IT.
Keep your eyes and ears open- 6weeks left.
Cameras at all rallies, marches, speeches, etc.
This has a possibility of igniting the powderkeg.
It’s coming dont ya remember they arrested a serial stabber getting on the plane for Israel…..this way they can get their other favorite target (Israel) a twofer
Chuck:
Further action will only happen if control of the House of Representatives changes on November 2nd. Otherwise, this is will be buried.
No small number of people voted for Obama at least in part because they were sick and tired of the race issue and were hoping that electing an identifiably black President would put most of that issue to rest.
The opposite has happened and a lot of people are very annoyed.
The nation MUST flip the House of Reps and the investigations can proceed.I’m interested to see how well the Obama White House insulated him. Somehow, I don’t think they did a good job and he is going to get nailed.
Let the bodies hit the floor.
“Let The Bodies Hit The Floor” I like that song and I like how you used it.
This comes as no surprise. My ONLY surprise here is that the facts came out so soon if at all.
Paraphrasing Nikita Khruschev – the Lame Stream Media vill bury ‘dis.
There must be some folks out there familiar with the dynamics of government related scandals who can offer some insight on how long it should take for this to blow-up on the airwaves? For instance, Megyn Kelly had J. Christian Adams as a guest a couple of times (possibly more) already. If she invites him again, would it be still possible for other TV outlets to ignore the whole thing anymore? Why wouldn’t this become timely fodder for negative campaign ads against incumbent Dems, even those considered “safe” by conventional metrics? Can CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC all manage to pretend that none of this matters? Is it inevitable that cover-up artists always get away with conflating authentic whistle blowers with conspiratorial wingnuts?
You will see this story get scant mention until after the elections. It will be mentioned just enough by the proper news sources to keep it in play until the ballots are in and the TeaPublicans have taken as many of the seats as we can. BOOM BABY!!!! Then it’s on and Hannity and the rest will be taking it to Eric ” The Black Racist” Holder.
When you tolerate corruption, you get it. Prison terms, or it keeps happening.
This is not just a matter of co-opted corruption; but all its partners,i.e.payoffs,spinning everything racist ,using the “social justice” mantra. Quite frankly I am not so confident that GeorgioSorriass crowd will only be heard by their choir. Too many long term unemployed,under water on mortgages, in debt up to their eyeballs,and vulnerable to the next cash for clunker deal or “hand up” ,get the fatcat, scheme, the Alinsky prophets ,move-on crowd comes up with in the next 45 days.VOTE good people, it may be our last chance to mend our America.
Thank you Mr. Adams, for shining light on the former justice department. These thugs stole someone’s vote, on camera no less, and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The fact that our jutice department is, quite literally, using skin pigmentation as a factor in upholding our laws should be of great concern to everyone. Rule of law is central to any successful society, and we cannot have it being arbitrarily applied based on the whims of whoever happens to be in charge at the time. By applying it in exactly that manner in this case, the department undermines its own ability to apply justice in the long run. The seeds of doubt and uncertainty planted in the minds of the people by these actions is dangerous to us all. If we, as a society, want justice to apply differently based on skin pigmentation, genatalia, sexual preferences, and religion, then we should enact laws specifically madating such segregation (which I suppose “hate crimes” legislation already does in a way). This “social justice” approach is ripping the country apart and should be eradicated from the planet like the cancerous tumor that it is.
Just say NO.
Kick the black supremacists, the marxist subversives, and the filo-jihadists OUT of Congress in November.
PS Call the Police and press charges for an kind of threat at the polls.
The word “infer” was used a couple times here — nitpicky, I know, but shouldn’t that be “imply”?
I noticed it too. People use “imply” and “infer” interchangeably, when their meanings are almost opposite. It’s not too serious unless you know the difference. Once you know the difference, it’s confusing.
You’re right, it sounds nitpicky, but if no one ever points it out, those who misuse the terms will never realize they’ve done so. And since the whole purpose of human language is to communicate, correct usage of words is, at the least, helpful!
Merriam Webster says you are wrong:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infer
The distinction is a 20th century style guide distinction, not a real one.
We are getting a clearer picture of the Enemy Within. Look at obama’s appointee’s, all commies and america haters, just like him. We were lied to by the MSM about obama. The socialist frauds that inhabit the MSM are still lying to us about obama. The MSM will pay a financial price for this. The socialist democrats who blindly follow obama will pay a heavy political price come Nov.
Do you think obummer learned this lying in his muslem school? Both believe in lying if it serves their goal.
Lying? It’s okay if it’s for “social justice,” you know (just like with Lenin).
The “why” in this case is easy. You only punish for those crimes that you wish to deter. In this administration, there is no wish to deter Black Panthers from intimidating white voters (unless, I’m sure, the white voters proudly declare they’re voting for whichever Dem is on the ballot, thereby taming the Panthers) . And SEIU and ACORN can take their guidance from the New Black Panthers’ treatment. Non-deterrence on a HUGE scale. We can only hope it’s not HUGE enough to alter the course of the November mid-terms.
“When Justice Department officials deliberately misrepresent facts to the public and to Congress, there must be consequences.”
Indeed, but there also must be reasons. The “why” of these things is always paramount. Hilariously, the Obies seem to think that the foundational laws of politics do not apply to them. Perhaps also the foundational laws of physics. It wouldn’t surprise me.
I think most of you should start to get your head around the idea of a civil war. If they can do this, and God knows what else they have done or are currently doing to commit fraud on the US, then you should know that they will not stop until they control everyone and everything. Laws, elections and the Constitution do not matter to these people. Do any of you think we can be a united nation with them? Do you think they will stop even if they lose the next two elections? Do you think once they get virtually unlimited government, military (police) power and further corrupt the judicial system that they will be kind to YOU? Think Cambodia. Think Cuba. Think China.
They have been demonstrating their hatred of the Constitution for years and we have let it go. They have been demonstrating their hatred of the US for years and again we let it go. Move on…Nothing to see we were told by the MSM.
Well now look. Black racism propelled by white progressive marxists is destroying the country. marxism (m on purpose) is taking over every facet of our nation’s government, judiciary, society, information and education outlets, and our Constitution.
Historically, social democratic parties in Europe spawned extremists who, upon being thrown out or due to their own desire to leave the disappointing, less-than-progressive ranks, would form a communist party. Socialists thus gave birth to marxism-leninism, and bolshevism in Russia. Bolsheviks were rough and eager, which is why they went in for an adventurous, risky revolution to usurp power and create the Soviet Union. Unlike another bastard son of socialism proper, the National Socialists in Germany, who opted for subverting the Weimar Republic within its very own, democratic framework. First they played by the rules, but slowly started twisting them. There was no revolution, just a takeover. Once effected, democracy dwindled and died, with elections becoming superfluous to the point of Hitler not holding any.
In both instances, new political entities were created to achieve the goal: Absolute power. Now there seems to be a third way for a minority group of marxist extremists getting to the goalpost: Find a social democratic party, infiltrate it, rework it slowly to your purpose, take it over and use the leverage to form a government. All the time, hide behind the mask of legality and democracy, and keep it up as long as possible. Only when you are found out, lash out with all your might.
Civil war is a distinct possibility under such circumstances. Fellow travelers, useful idiots, traitors – the story keeps repeating itself. One thing is for sure: This is the end of the Democratic Party. Only time will tell what else is also about to disappear.
lash out with all your might.
The Feds have no Might. That is their weakness
and our greatest danger; When the states carry
out the largest civil disobedience demonstration,
in US history, and the Feds are forced to admit
their impotence, they may do something truly
stupid and self destructive: Waco writ large.
Civil war – likely. When the Left sees its generations-long effort to achieve absolute power start to go by the wayside, they’re not just going to shrug their shoulders and walk away. For these will-to-power driven monsters, this is it. For my part, I won’t fire the first shot. They’ll start it; of that there is no doubt. When the game stops being fun and certain for them, they’ll sweep the pieces off the board and overturn the table. By yhe lights of Alinsky, Marcuse and Gramsci, rules are for losers, and they expect us to play by the rules, right up to and through the cattle car doors.
Well, I’ve got news for them. It’s not going to go they way they think it will. So, no – I won’t fire the first shot. But I’ll do my considerable damndest to fire the last one. So remember, folks – as long as you have a rifle, you still have a vote.
Surely Scooter Libby was persecuted for far less than these offenses. Don’t hold your breath waiting for proportional penalties to be imposed on the DOJ.
I just did a search on nytimes.com for “new black panther party department of justice”
results for today: 1 [an unrelated story in which the words "black panthers" and "justice" appeared]
results for past 7 days: 1 [this same unrelated story]
results for past 30 days: 4 [this same story and 3 mentions of an article titled "In Ad Wars, Democrats Shy From Ties to Own Party"]
finally, under “past 12 months,” we get a story datelined July 10, 2010, wherein the case is described this way:
“The testimony by Mr. Adams brought new attention to a case that has been used as political ammunition against the Obama administration by some conservative media outlets seeking to flip the script on portrayals of the Bush administration as having “politicized” the Justice Department.”
nothing to see here, folks, move along, it’s just another right-wing smear campaign designed to bring down our black president.
YOU JUST EXPOSED YOURSELF AS A SELF AGGRANDIZING IDIOT. YOU SIR, ARE A LEMMING FOLOWING ANOTHER IDIOT ON A LONG WALK ON A SHORT PIER. OPEN YOUR EYES NUTCASE.
I see people calling people names and ridiculing their post, didnt even cite where the victim of the attack (and it WAS an attack!) was wrong.
If you want to disagree with someone, lets have a modicum of respect.
Now, as to the prospect of civil war, With the military out of the country, an organized attack could topple the regime and win with relative ease. Is anybody crazy enough to try it? I will tell you I have seen some crazies and I believe there are people out there crazy enough to attempt it.
Our vulnerability is high and president osama is not making it any easier on anybody, while his eyes are big with all the loot he is taking in for himself and all his buddies and their buddies, we the people suffer.
For instance the credit card help osama gave us, that legislastion gives 3 years for the credit card companies to come after you for BACK payments. They can even come after you if you have beat them down before.
that retroactive crap was a multi BILLION dollar boon to the credit card agencies and collection agencies. It comes at a cost to families. Those who thought they had finally gotten their situation resolved, are finding they are faced with collection on debt they thought was discharged. These kinds of things do not endear prewsident osama.
The boot on your neck is your path to happiness citizen, pay no attention to the stormtroopers ransacking your life, they are there for your best interest.
“When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebelion is made perfect”
Thomas Paine
Government lying is expected. Government officials lying is almost honorable and often the route to popularity…The Clinton’s made a carer and fortune from it (well, that and groping the odd intern).
It seems the lengths of corruption has no bounds in Obama’s administration! How can anyone trust this President and his cronnies when we witness lie after lie anfter lie? I hope hearings come about due to this new information.
Thank God for Judicial Watch.
First of all, I think the defendants in this case are criminals, and that voter intimidation should not be tolerated. However, the reason they’re not in jail is not the fault of the Obama DOJ.
Here are some facts on the case:
The Bush DOJ downgraded this case from a criminal case to a civil case. So there’s no way any of the defendants would have gone to jail. The Obama DOJ did prosecute the civil case for worst offender, Shabazz, and he barely got a slap on the wrist. His ‘sentence’ was decided by a federal judge, not by the Obama DOJ.
What was his sentence? He’s prohibited from carrying a weapon near any polling locations in Philadelphia until after the 2010 elections. Yes, it’s a pathetic punishment. But the fact that it’s a pathetic punishment is not the fault of the Obama DOJ. It’s the fault of weak voter intimidation laws.
This article proves nothing other than the fact that upper-level DOJ officials were interested in this case. This is not shocking at all, given the public attention the case received.
Ultimately, the stakes of the Black Panther case were very low. As yet, no actual victims of voter intimidation have surfaced. This doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen, but it does make it hard for a federal judge to assign a strict punishment. If the Obama DOJ hadn’t dropped the case, the defendants still would not have gone to jail. Maybe it would have been nice if the defendants would have lost the civil suit, but is that really worth wasting our tax dollars on?
Aaron is repeating the false spin of the DOJ. The Bush adminstration downgraded nothing. In fact, criminal charges could be pursued tommorow. In fact, civil charges are routinely brought BEFORE criminal charges in voting matters so a quick injunction can be obtained preventing future behavior. King Samir Shabazz and his confederates could be indicted this week, still.
His “sentance” mirroed what the DOJ asked for.
Aaron is also wrong about “no actual victims” have surfaced. I suggest he read the testimony from the April civil rights commission hearing.
Aslan,
Is there any indication that the Bush DOJ felt that criminal charges should be pursued at some later date? Or that it would be most effective to seek civil charges first? If someone comes forward with such evidence, I’m willing to listen.
Is there any indication that a stricter punishment could have resulted from the ruling on the civil case? Regardless of what the DOJ pursued, the judge is responsible for the ruling, not the DOJ.
Name the victim who came forward, please.
“This article proves nothing other than the fact that upper-level DOJ officials were interested in this case. This is not shocking at all, given the public attention the case received.”
Ummm, according to Mr. Adams, these documents show that contrary to many of their statements and in some cases, their sworn testimony, the upper levels of the DoJ management were KEENLY interested and ACTIVELY involved in the denouement of this affair.
That suggests that perjury was committed at the highest levels of the DoJ…and that IS shocking, (at least it should be).
As for what is “proven”, let’s leave that for a court…whether civil, criminal, or a court of impeachment, no matter.
As another poster aptly put it:
“Let the bodies hit the floor”.
Which statements exactly were contradicted by the documents? The article’s author settles for a loose paraphrasing:
“DOJ’s claim — repeated over and over again — that career civil servants were wholly responsible for the spiking of the case.”
Seems like to perfect place for a quote. Perhaps the author is too lazy to provide one?
“Seems like to perfect place for a quote. Perhaps the author is too lazy to provide one?”
Could be. Fair enough point.
Mr. Adams…care to update us with the specific testimony you are referencing as being possibly perjured?
Ed Morrissey has quotes. It’s pretty unambiguous.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/20/did-the-doj-lie-about-the-dismissal-of-voter-intimidation-case/
Aaron:
In light of the reference helpfully provided by Aslan and Tom, I wouldn’t exactly say it’s a “slam-dunk”, since it would have to be established that AAG Perez knew at the time he gave his testimony, that the facts were otherwise than what he stated, but it certainly seems to reasonably merit further investigation, does it not?
On the one hand, and in the most favorable light, we would have an AAG spouting off under oath to Congress about things he has no direct knowledge of,(I can see why “I have not yet read SB 1070″ AG Holder would favor him).
On the other, we would have one of the top Law Enforcement Officers in the Republic himself being a lying crook.
This isn’t something that can be swept under the rug or shouted down. And even if it could be, a reasonable person wouldn’t want this.
COMMISSIONER KIRSANOW: Was there any political leadership involved in the decision not to pursue this particular case any further than it was?
ASST. ATTY. GEN. PEREZ: No. The decisions were made by Loretta King in consultation with Steve Rosenbaum, who is the Acting Deputy Assistant Attorney General.
Perez also suggested that the dispute was merely “a case of career people disagreeing with career people.”
I can’t really say I have much of an opinion one way or the other about the NBPP case, but I really don’t understand why Chris Coates cannot testify to the Civil Rights Commission.
I have a feeling that we’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg, not just the DOJ, but that many Federal departments have been playing fast and loose when it comes to the law and ethical decisions.
So this is what Obama meant by “change”.
Change it back please.
Aaron,
Would that be the same “Bush DOJ” that donated to Obama 2-1 in 2008. Why, yes, yes it would.
Get this through your head: bureaucrat = SEIU = Copperhead.
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you’ve been watching a lot of Glen Beck recently. It has obviously eroded your ability to form complete, logical sentences.
BECK!!..the very best of the news media..
At least the man tells not only the truth, but tells you where you can go out and check the facts for yourself.
The left must hate the fact that he says their words back to them. He doesn’t make it up, he quotes them .
Beck doesn’t just quote Obamas operatives, he broadcasts video of them. One cannot deny, when you can see and hear them in their own words.
They deny anyway. Most of the lefties refuse to watch Glenn because they know he tells the truth. Even if they did they would probably say he quoted them out of context or something stupid like that. The leftists just wont believe or tell the truth. You can tell when the president or any of his men/women are lying, their lips are moving.
Something tells me that these high officials in the Obama administration will be later pardoned by President Obama.
Shouldn’t we be seeking a large scale effort to impeach President Obama? Oh, that’s right… forgive me. I forgot. That’s a favorite ploy of the anti-American, nut case, Progressive, liberals against anything Republican.
Good story, but you confuse the words ‘infer” and “imply,” a common enough error, but beneath the standards of a justice department lawyer.
Great piece but how about a link ot the actual Vaughan index?
Sorry, but this doesn’t do anything to change my contention that this is the dumbest series of articles that PJM has run. Judicial Watch is *not* a “public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption” — it’s actually no more than yet another fakey conservative BS operation pretending to be in the public interest. It’s all about dirty politics, and actually got started during Clinton’s term by right wing nutcase Larry Klayman, who made a name for himself filing numerous nuisance lawsuits against the Clintons.
Using Judicial Watch as a source is worse than not using any source at all.
And as far as all this supposed lying goes, I don’t see anything more than what was seen in those hacked, so-called “Climategate” emails from the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia. Right wingers parsed out little bits and pieces of discussions among scientists in order to try to portray something sinister was afoot, when in fact they were mostly just unedited comments by scientists increasingly frustrated with nuisance anti-science nutcakes & politicians, as well as a useless news media.
You see what you want to see, even if you have to look though a plastic straw.
Shooting the messenger is a logical fallacy.
The source is the “privilege log” obtained from the DOJ.
Of course you don’t. You would have to actually read them.
Within a few days the entire archive was put online so anybody could read them in their entirety. If you had bothered to read them you would have seen the same opaque behavior and refusal to comply with FOI laws as is present in the DOJ.
Yes you do BC and you don’t see the truth.
To Greg F: I do read, actually, and a lot more than I need to: if you take the right wing blog sites as a collective, you only end up with something akin to “The Boys Who Cried Wolf, Bear, Lion, Tiger, Crocodile, Snake, Angry Squirrel, Furious Pidgeon, and So On.”
You can take any accusatory charge that’s widespread in the right wing nut-o-sphere and it pretty much always turns out to be malicious BS at the worst or over the top distortion at best. If you knew someone personally with a similar history of credibility, how much of a listen or a read would you give him/her?
To be fair, I have no love for the mainstream media either, and while their sins are unconscionable timidity and irresponsible journalistic laziness, I think that behavior is what has greatly contributed to the appalling rise of all these ideologically fractured, not-quite-the-news media outlets. Just because some news-like source tells you things that soothes your beliefs and supports your suspicions doesn’t exactly necessarily make it true.
‘Just because some news-like source tells you things that soothes your beliefs and supports your suspicions doesn’t exactly necessarily make it true.’
This from someone who cites the most inane left sites in his PJM comments as support for every debunked claim that comes into his head.
You continually tell us how smart you are while invariably showing you’re incapable of critical thinking or seeing the risible irony in so many of your posts. D&mnest thing is that there are many reasonable and rational criticisms about the course of the last 8 years. Many are made here daily by competent liberal commenters and accepted and engaged in the spirit of open discussion. What characterizes those competent liberal commenters is the flexibility that they bring to the discussion.
You, on the other hand, are a self-parody of the smug, poorly educated cannon fodder that progressivism thrives on. You seem immune to the fact that you are dealing with far smarter people here who consider you a poster boy for the imbecility that has characterized the left for the last 8 years.
Ah, it seems like only yesterday that…Wait a sec. It WAS only yesterday, or the day before, that none other than BC (and in no other place than right here at PJM) raised from the dead that poor old Lazarus librul untruth that George Bush lied about WMD in Iraq. That would be a damaging thing for BC’s cred if he/she had any to begin with.
Fred Beloit wrote: Ah, it seems like only yesterday that…Wait a sec. It WAS only yesterday, or the day before, that none other than BC (and in no other place than right here at PJM) raised from the dead that poor old Lazarus librul untruth that George Bush lied about WMD in Iraq.
Didn’t I give you a spanking on that? Oh yeah, I did.
To paraphrase Steven Colbert, reality does have a well-known “librul” bias.
You described yourself quite well, BC.
I’ve read lots of your bilge over time here, and you’ve never once shown the slightest interest in looking at things from any other point of view.
So, I have two questions for you. They are simple yes/no questions, so any attempt at spin will be immediately apparent. If you try to spin them (as I am sure you will), I’ll just come back and reiterate the questions until you give up–which will be an answer of a sort–or answer them.
1) Is there anything that anyone can say here that will make you change your mind about anything?
2) If so, would you admit that your mind had been changed?
To ConservativeWanderer
1) Is there anything that anyone can say here that will make you change your mind about anything?
Yes, in a way.
Let me preface things by saying that I come to places like this because: A) I like a good forum fight (I miss Usenet for this); B) I really want to track and understand how dis/misinformation is spread (a longtime interest of mine), especially when it ends up as a hardened myth; and C) conservatives make up a substantial part of the overall US population, but are rare in my personal travels, except for the odd libertarian here and there. And despite my, at times, snarky retorts, I’m not exactly completely comfortable dismissing them all as clueless dummies.
I actually hold the corporate mainstream media in greater contempt, because I think their ever increasingly erratic “coverage” of news, especially involving anything at all complicated and needing research and clear explanations, has driven both the left and the right to seek alternative news sources of wildly random quality. Add in what most of you probably never heard of,”SEO manipulation,” which has enormously screwed around with Internet search results, and you illogically end up with a situation where it’s much harder now to be well informed than it was 10 years ago despite having in theory many more news sources easily available.
Also while I’m a no-nonsense progressive when it comes to social and cultural issues, I actually have more in common with traditional conservitives when it comes to genuinely wasteful spending and abuse of resources, which I’ve seen by the supertanker full over the past several years. It’s actually been pretty infuriating to see insane amounts of money go to waste in certain government circles while deserving programs on the periphery, and needing pittance to keep going, struggle. There were all sorts of warning signs that the shenanigans in the financial markets were creating a very high and very, very expensive tower of cards that was doomed to collapse, but everyone was too busy counting their Monopoly money to care, and when that collapse did happen, it seemed to mostly show up how wildly inefficient and inattentive government, from the town level on up, had become.
But back to your points, there was a discussion on a healthcare thread, al all things, that actually had thoughtful comments, especially on tort reform, that made me think that not all conservatives hate facts and research.
2) If so, would you admit that your mind had been changed?
Almost always, I only comment on things I know something about, and in that context I’m usually pointing out errors in facts or logic. It usually isn’t rhetorical debate on philosophical matters so I don’t really change my mind per se, but there have been instances when a very vigorous “debate” produced greater insight into a matter I thought I already knew inside out. That happened with my “favorite” urban myth, the Killian memos.
Early into it, I noticed a few little discrepencies with the whole “forgery” meme: none of the people making the charges were applicable experts; the commentary on common 70′s office tech was wildly confused; the commentary on proper military document formattting was all unsupported; and the release of key official records the day before the CBS broadcast (which was only a me-too effort) got virtually ignored, as was a very belated later release that had some funkily formatted documents unlike any of Bush’s other official records, including the only proportionally printed document. Some follow-up research quickly showed that the forgery charges had seriously wrong info about early 70′s office tech (IBM was making more money selling & leasing word processors than typewriters by 1971), official military formats (memos and personal letters have the signature block on the right and *not* the left, a little fact that everyone but the supposed forger got wrong), and how common proportional printing was (while memos are usually never archived, most of the declassified military and government memos from the 60′s and early 70′s are proportionally printed) and overall were laughably more inconsistent with available records than the “forged” memos supposedly were.
The biggest hit on the forgery charges actually occurred during a little debate I had on another right wing site, Wizbang: an idea popped into my head then about the timing of when CBS obtained the memos compared to when certain records were released (under duress) by the DoD. It turned out that a short memo titled “Flight Qualifications” that CBS never used in its broadcast had info that could only have been obtained by careful examination of Bush’s flight records. Ok, so what — obviously the forger simply rummaged through the official records to make the memos real seeming, no? No — the flight records were not released until the day before the CBS broadcast, Sept 7th, which is after CBS had obtained all the memos over the course of two days, Sept. 2nd and Sept 5th. And until the DoD had released those records, they had not been otherwise publicly available for decades.
Maybe none of this has an answer you were hoping for, but….
Thanks.
You just proved, once and for all, that you’re completely incapable of answering a simple yes/no question without spinning.
As such, you deserve every bit of derision you get here on a daily basis.
‘completely incapable of answering a simple yes/no question without spinning.’
And lying.
For example, our resident wicked smart troll claims, ‘I noticed a few little discrepencies with the whole “forgery” meme’. He then proceeds to back that up by laying out his trip itinerary through the moonbat sites still clinging to the fable that Rather’s October surprise should have unseated GWB instead of beclowning Rather. Anyone with an ounce of brains dismissed any claimed provenance to the memos as the fantasies of the unhinged years ago. None of it is remotely related to BC noticing any discrepancies on his own. He’s a fabulist regurgitating the superficial BSD talking points and claiming they fell out of his own well-considered background research.
ConservativeWanderer wrote: You just proved, once and for all, that you’re completely incapable of answering a simple yes/no question without spinning?
My bad — I forgot that the average modern right wing/conservative can only mentally handle talking points that can fit on a bumper sticker.
The only thing good about that journalistic train wreck known as the “Killian memos” is the slack jawed, deer in headlights frozen confusion that usually pops up when I point out, with links, how the forgery theory, despite all the hue and cry at the time, has no pants. “Buckhead” was an idiot whose tech experience amounted to working in an office with typewriters and Wangs in the 80′s. Charles Johnson’s little animated overlay trick fails completely on the longer, more complicated memos, which is what you would expect from overlaying a digital Times Roman recreation over a old document created with a mechanically generated Roman-style print element. None of the “st” ordinals are superscripted in the Killian memos, and only some of the “th” ones are, which only makes sense if this was a manual mechanical operation — old word processing systems and proportional typewriters often had a small “th” typeface you could select, but not an “st” one by convention, and a plain old half-line feed would superscript perfectly. And misc claims like how the formatting and terminology were not correct and that Killian ordered Bush to take a medical exam on Mother’s Day were just all no more than just tacked-on BS contradicted by old USAF writing guides and the official records. Most of all, nobody seemed to pay much attention to how Bush and his official spokespeople blew off any and all attempts to get Bush to answer any questions about whether the memos were real or not. Let’s face it, if they had been truly forged, would they have reacted this way?
But at this point, it’s all water under the bridge and out to sea. Nobody cares.
“You see what you want to see, even if you have to look though a plastic straw.”
Irony so thick you couldn’t cut through it with a chain saw.
BC:
Thank you “Tracy Schmaler” for reading this article and making an appearance in the comments.
New Records Show DOJ Lied About New Black Panther Dismissal
So…who will prosecute the prosecutors?
BC, Something tells me NOTHING will change your contention… As misguided and myopic as it is. When you absolutely refuse to see truth in order to protect an ideology, that ideology must be flawed.
Black Panthers = guilty
DOJ = guilty
Glo-bull warming alarmists = guilty
The cases have already been laid at your feet… but the humiliation you’d feel upon glancing downward is understandable.
It’s SUPPOSED to be the Department of What?…
At last some light is is focused on this case. It is typical of the
Obama administration. This President and his appointees are not in the least acting in the interest of the country and have no intention to do so. They want control of all aspects of government and will do just about anything to gain it.
As far as the forthcoming elections are concerned; “Anyone but an incumbent!”
So! Where do all the white folks report for voluntary enslavement?
First, I want to thank Nancy Morgan for including PJM in the current issue of RightBias.com — She has introduced hundreds of new readers to PJM.
Now, Thank you Cybergeezer, for this comment:
“So! Where do all the white folks report for voluntary enslavement?”
Might I suggest you check out Fredoneverything.net for enlightenment? h
Oh, thank you sweetie.
And here’s a nice little link for you too, honey:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/are-you-better-off-now-than-you-were-four-years-ago/
How quickly you all forget. It’s George Bush’s fault.
The targets are being identified. They know we know. It just a game of chicken until November 2nd.
~~in respectful response to Pawn–
“The targets are being identified. They know we know. It just a game of chicken until November 2nd.”
Great analogy… scary in a way; we were suckered in and got a royal plucking last election… let’s hope we have our act together this time! h
Ya know, if you lie under oath, that’s perjury…What now?
Isaiah 5:20. Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isaiah 5:20. Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Accountability to the people sucks, don’t it Barry?
THE QUESTION IS, WHICH AVENUE WILL THEY CHOSE, TO AVOID EXPOSURE OF THEIR BLATANT HIGH TREASON (To the Constitution) CRIMES? WILL THEY DECLARE MARSHAL LAW, SEIZE POWER, END ALL ELECTIONS UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE? Will they cut deals with the incoming “Changing of the Guard”? Will they cross-wire the voting machines in a way favorable, to their unchallengeable electoral victories, allowing long deceased ancestors and pets to cast their vote posthumously? What plot do they have planned? Maybe they’ll just beg our forgiveness, After-all they know OUR God (Governor) scribes to us/us, to “Turn the other cheek”!!!! THE CONNIVING SCOUNDRELS are well aware of our weaknesses!!!! BEWARE…… Your enemy knows you well, they study US/us profusely, it is one of their primary priorities, the results of their studies have been very lucrative for them!!!! They are wealthy and powerful, we are poor and expected to be weak (Just accept it as the (“Sharia”) absolute law governing human kind)!!!! That law gives Humans (Titled Scoundrels and Connivers) dominance over humans!!!
Open-source. Open-source, Open-source. Open-source means open disclosure and open honesty. I have made innumerable errors and sins. I am not perfect and I cannot learn to be better without sharing openly and honestly, even admitting what I do not know, which is most everything. I know very little and believe in open-source. This is an apolitical statement.
The MSM treated the Valerie Plame affair like someone stole the nuclear launch codes despite her husband essentally plastering their name on a billboard in Times Square. No crime was found to have been committed in disclosing her name much to the MSM’s great disappointment. Of course a video of thugs with weapons at a polling place isn’t of interest at all – unless they clamed to be tea partiers!!! I want to see Holder el all tried & fried for lying & obstruction of justice. If I ever were chosen for the jury I’d fight to give the death penalty to Holder & the entire Obama administration even if just for jay walking. I’d pay for the chance to pull the switch myself.
The babyboomer generation is in control top to bottom. They inherited much wealth and power from their fathers. They rejected it all in the name of their own selfrighteousness and called it political correctness. It was called a “generation-gap” at the time. Now 45yrs later, what do they leave behind ? What will be this generations legacy ? What will be written in history 50yrs from now ? Looks a lot like Rome, who in 400AD sent brave men to fight foreign battles, and paid a great ramson to so called “barbarians” at the very gates of the capitol city.
Baby boomers did not inherit their wealth from their fathers…other than a few elites…mostly they hit the high tech and growth industies at the management levels, and gained stock options in liew of just salaries…and went of to create startup tech companies funded by venture capitalist peers that used their option gains to go into leverage risk financing…and they all merges and combined and raped and pillaged the investing public and made personal fortunes…then they began to send jobs overseas to try to make short term profit gains to prop up stock values…and the American middle manager went away with flat management structures…so the poor got poorer, the middle management class went away, and the achievers got richer and richer.
Tax codes helped. Now, they are rich and everyone else is poor. They did not make the poor poor though…they never paid the poor any attention. The poor just were not prepared to play in the game.
It is a wise rule not to subject, or even threaten, officials
with criminal persecution for official acts; Unless one is
literally working in a Death Camp, ‘I was just following orders’
should be a valid defense.
It is also a wise rule for compromised officials to resign, lest
they provoke a violation of the first wise rule. :>
Use the issue during the Nov. campaigns, and then move forward;
The country has more important things to do, and does not need
any distractions.
Tell that to Rudolf Hess et al. There should be no waiting for death camps to actually happen: that is the wise rule. Things have gone too far – there will be a reckoning, no more reciprocal games. Criminal is, criminal does. Official? That makes it even worse. And it is not persecution (Freudian slip?) but prosecution, i.e. application of the rule of law, including retribution.
Thomas Perez knowingly LIED to Congress under oath about this case. It’s very likely that he was under a directive to do so. So what else is the DOJ lying about? Is there anything the DOJ is telling the truth about?
Is there ANYONE in this administration credible?
Is there ANYTHING truthful about this administration?
~~ respectfully supporting Go Rubio Go’s comment:
“Thomas Perez knowingly LIED to Congress under oath about this case. It’s very likely that he was under a directive to do so. So what else is the DOJ lying about? Is there anything the DOJ is telling the truth about?
“Is there ANYONE in this administration credible?
“Is there ANYTHING truthful about this administration?”
~~in a word: NO!.. make that two words: HELL NO!! h
And still once more, “Law Enforcement” is in the middle of this sewer. What will THEY do about it? The stench is overwhelming.
Looks to me that this whole crooked, Communist administration proves one thing. Chicago politics is too obvious to be successful nationally; and affirmation action, the war on poverty, 2 years of unemployment pay, re-distribution of income, government unions and liberalism don’t work.
Some of your comments are pure joy.
From me you get dead serious.
How often have rotten apples of high level administrators in government been removed from the barrel? In this Nation of Law Not of Men?
Congresssmen, Attorneys General,”charming” and “amusing” Presidents having been found out for crimes, are given the example “pour encourager les autres” of: re-election, retirement with inflation proof pensions,first class medical and other insurance, status as “pillars” among the claques of Washington, New York and the “Blue States”, sinecures in business, universities, international bodies as IMF /World Bank / UN, book contracts and the lecture circuit.
The miscreants harboured by their select groups’”fidelitiy”. Precedence over their signature to the contract of employment, their OATHS to a larger group, a larger principle.
The penalties paid for by that larger group whose labours keep the miscreants and their protectors in their royal status.
Are we still in nursery school, must take care not to offend “untruthful” persons who control our legal system by calling them liars.
“rarely… DOJ…dishonest misinformation to Congress…”
For example Watergate, the Clinton “impeachment”: honest? disinformation. Perhaps Congress and some Departments of the Executive, e.g. Justice and State now favoured by the paragon of probity, Hillary Clinton, and the Chief Executive Officer,have been misunderstood in their statements and behaviours.
This country is essentially managed and controlled by lawyers. No offense to ethical lawyers “rarely” visible at highest levels in government. Lawyers are members of an “elite” fraternity, a “closed shop”,have special identification signs and language/jargon. They sit in the power seats and intrude their interpretations of law on the population.
It is therefore absolutely crucial that “representatives” of the law BE AND BE SEEN TO BE adherent to THEIR OATHS to the LAW.
Has there been much evidence of fidelity to OATHS in the offices of the government administration, with rare and wonderful exceptions, within living memory ?
Congress, Judiciary, and Executive. A guild / union of self-protecting “elites”, in a nation in which royalty in public office is unlawful.AND in which the foundational LAW organised to insure against any one or several administrative offices overstepping the legal charter.
That foundation did not however forestall the events now apparent when members of ALL the offices of government COLLUDE IN OVERSTEPPING THEIR LEGAL CHARTERS dismantling this Nation of Law into a Nation of Men by INFIDELITY to their oaths of office / employment.
A system malignancy, ignored by the victim / the citizenry, and it will bring about, without effective and aggressive treatment the demise of the body of American Freedoms.
jojo: “How often have rotten apples of high level administrators in government been removed from the barrel? In this Nation of Law Not of Men?
“Congresssmen, Attorneys General,”charming” and “amusing” Presidents having been found out for crimes, are given the example “pour encourager les autres” of: re-election, retirement with inflation proof pensions,first class medical and other insurance, status as “pillars” among the claques of Washington, New York and the “Blue States”, sinecures in business, universities, international bodies as IMF /World Bank / UN, book contracts and the lecture circuit.”
Today’s PJM posts are among the best I’ve ever read. As is my practice, I send the best to all my contacts. It was a tough choice.. but you won.
You were square on target.. minced no words, and wasted none. No wonder that Nancy Morgan saw fit to introduce PJM to her readers at RightBias.com -h
But at the end of the day – doesn’t the President’s office direct Holder and this investigation?
In other words, if this was to really heat up – couldn’t Obama just shut it down?
We knew that just from watching the video.
Maybe it would be good to change the words and memes back to an earlier history, and see how it hangs together.
Maybe instead of accusing Blacks of power grabs, we should speak of them as scalawags and carpetbaggers, and talk of redistricution of wealth in terms of “reconstruction” and figuring out how to keep plantation owners from regaining local power and control over the power of Federalist Washington, having destroyed the States rights and ignored wholly the Constitution in an illegal war …. you know, like instead of seeking WMD as a phoney reason for a grab for oil, let’s go with “freeing slaves” instead of stacking the number of reps votes in Congess in favor of Eastern Industrialists (wall street) over the Southern Agricultural industry (the entrepreneur and conservative private sector.
So we can create a historical analegy with the same consequence…black racism over white conservatism.
This is a bad day for American. The emperors clothes have been long ago removed. In spite of this fact, the MSM and the left do not care, as long as this illegal activity is not directed at them. Those that were easily influenced to vote for BHO, the worse president in the history of our country, and worse leader ever. There could be a new record set on the number of members of this administration that serves time. Not only is Jimmy Carter glad BHO was elected, the memory of Richard Nixon and Watergate will pale in comparison to the illegal activities of the BHO administration and the rest of the idiot – morons that makeup this sorry group of so-called Americans.
Have we all forgotten who the head of the DOJ is, Eric Holder, the man who called America a country of cowards when it comes to race. Don’t think that this idiot doesn’t have his fingerprints all over this in one way or another.
This is the same man who goes on the television to tell America that he is sueing Arizona because they want to enforce the law but wont make a statement on this subject, just lets his deputies go up and lie to Congress.
*gasp*
I’m utterly SHOCKED!
A WORD OF THANKS to Mr. Adams,
We are known for our actions and for our expressed thoughts.
You, sir; are one of my heros. And as for ‘those who have eyes to see and ears to hear’, and therefore are able to discern your truth and admire your courage to speak it; we thank God for answering our prayers with this and every discernible step taken toward the deliverance for which we humbly pray through His divine intervention. Yes, you are ‘an instrument of God’s plan’; faithful and bold.
IF ‘we’ believe; then we MUST pray daily for the only hope of that ‘deliverance’; which is God’s Divine Intervention. He will deliver; but, WE MUST ASK!
I join Beck in reminding all the faithful; to get on your knees, and humbly acknowledge The Source of all good things with prayers of thanksgiving, praise, love, and petition for His Divine Intervention; of which each of us must find the courage to be an obedient instrument.
AMEN.
P.S. ‘They’ are also known for ‘their’ actions and words. Let those who discern the truth of these ‘wolves in sheep’s clothing’, tirelessly expose them and fight for justice; following your righteous example, Mr. Adams.
That Oliver is beautifully written.
Yes and Amen Let us all join you and Beck with outstretched hands and ASK…as it is written “If you then, who are evil, know how to give good things to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him”
So let us ask for Divine intervention in this hour of need for our Nation and in another place…if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
HOLDER WAS A LIAR DURING HIS REIGN WITH RENO, AND HE IS STILL ONE. I BLAME THE SENATE FOR EVER CONFIRMING HIM. I KNEW HE WAS LYING ABOUT HIS RECOMMENDED PARDONS QUESTION. HE HAD A LYING LOOK ON HIS FACE AND HIS ANSWER WAS PATHETIC, YET HE WAS CONFIRMED, MUCH LIKE ANOTHER LYING LAWBREAKER CALLED GEITHNER.
The whole point that everyone seems to be missing, is, that this means all white voters will have to go to the polls ARMED and ready to defend their right to vote for WHOMEVER they wish to vote for. I, for one, am sick of reverse discrimination and am ready for the battles (that great big elephant in the room you’re all ignoring) which lie ahead for this country. We all know that within the next four years, the streets of our wonderful country will run with blood. It has become inevitable!! If we try to fight back we will be accused of “hate crimes”!! If a little old White granny hits one of the “new black panthers” with her umbrella, because he is trying to intimidate her, she will be arrested for a hate crime. Do you really think White America is going to sit back and take things like that? That is what the DOJ has set in motion. The new black panthers NOW think they can do whatever they want without any interference or be held accountable by ANYONE!!
To think I was sued twice by Acorn only because they wanted to steal a piece of Property here in New Orleans and when I refused they had me harassed by the Police Department. And to think I was sued for racial Discrimination, you tell me.
When I complained about my rights being violated, no one cared at the DOJ. When they had me arrested on bogus rape charges and I found out who was behind it, I filed another complaint with the DOJ, nothing happened.
I guess we are all racists for not allow thugs to force us to vote they way they want us to.
What I would really like to see is the log on all the misrepresentation and threats that the DOJ and its chain of command has been involved in in keeping the Judges from hearing the cases about Obama’s birth place. They have really twisted (or should I say “broken”) arms to keep anyone from hearing those cases. That intimidation included Obama, Pelosi and Reid threatening Supreme Court Justices on public television. If there is something deserving of impeachment in the lives of the Supreme Court Justices, you do it, you don’t get up and theaten Supreme Court Justices with impeachment if they don’t rule the way or do what you want. That threatening in itself is a felony calling for impeachment…
The Police should go after them for dressing their CHILDREN like that!!!!
When is the Sentate going to file for impeachment?
Won’t be till after they amend the Constitution.
The House of Representatives votes on articles of impeachment. The Senate then votes on whether or not to convict.
Changing it so that the Senate votes first would require a Constitutional amendment.
Stop funding the Executive branch of govt. except for the military. And have over site watch them like a hawk.
But first get Pelosi and Reid out of control.
And once again, the DC Thugs, (holder, obama, and others), have lied to the citizens of this country about a group of criminals apparently who have the
protection of Washington and the DOJ. This is nothing less than disgusting.
Some of those in DC apparently lie and in their own mind believe it to be the truth and factual. Run all their asses out of DC and the USA as far as I am concerned and ship them to countries where they will feel at home with their lies, deceit, and sorry ways.
When the fox watches the henouse, no chicken leg is protected.
The criminal class in DC should be completely and totally replaced, no matter how good or bad they have done.
Prosecution needs to happen. These buttnuggets have a lot of crime to answer for.
Each of them should be thouroghly investigated and their history checked for unconstitutional or illegal activity.
We owe it to our children to restore some semblance of credibility to our leaders.
I am too old and cripled up to take up the fight, tho I can control my little sector of the planet.
Everybody got their sector lined out?
“When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect”
Thomas Paine
I agree absolutely with J. Christian Adams that “Today was . . . a worse day for our country.” That is a critical concern. If you want to correct this and endless other Crimes Against Liberty take a hard look at top management. Each and every organization reflects the ethics and standards of top management. These guys are no different. We are being lied to every day in every way by a top management which has a Master Plan to replace the America we all know and love. These lies are spewed by and with support of willing accomplices called a ‘media’ which, in fact, are traitors to their so-called professionalism of Jornalism. Our America is based on our Creator, exceptionalism, hard work, opportunity, free enterprise and minimum government. The Master Plan replaces our America with a socialist state which rejects our Creator, exceptionalism, hard work, opportunity, free enterprise and minimum government. Everyone is equally miserable. This Master Plan has three objectives. Destroy the Middle Class. Confiscate, or ‘nationalize’, all IRA’s, SEPP’s and personal savings to fund the Trillions of $ of debt and wasteful, extravagant social programs imposed on us in the last 18 months. Rule this nation with an iron hand in which only government, or the ‘ruling class’, takes and controls everything. We absolutely must change this in November 2010 and in days, weeks, months and years to come after November 2010.
BC is an ignorant bore and thrives on all of our attention. Pretty pitiful. BC has no in tention of expanding outlook or listening to truth of logic. It falls on deaf hears and is a waste of our collective breath (or fingers). Not one Liberal, I know, can agree to disagree. Their reply has always been “Please remove me from your e-mail list.” That is because they have been brain- washed and have no real desire to hear the truth or learn anything new.
What answer do you get from your Liberal friends when you defend Arizona immigration by telling them that You have to carry ID (on you) and when you travel to Mexico, YOU have to have a PASSPORT. They change the subject just like this Ignorant BC. BC has NOTHING worthy to add to this blog.
Always BEAR in mind:
NO TYRANT IN HISTORY HAS EVER ACTED ALONE.
In “advanced nations of the West”, unable,in the 20th century, to use direct compulsion tyrants used the tools at hand: legislators, the “officers of the Law”, “enforcers of the Law”, the Courts, machinery of propaganda / entertainment /education.
The following is taken from Avenger, 2003, Frederick Forsyth:
1. Never forget two things. No man can ever forgive his protector:
e;g; both the Obamas who in the USA had advantages that middle class and poor citizens without affluent parents or trust funds could only dream of. Others who although having met all requirements with flying colours of the educational and employement institutions were not admitted ” to the club” being the wrong sex and race/skin colour. These persons were not however forgiven the taxes which subsidise the agancies who decide who / what / why
INEQUALITY BEFORE THE LAW
I’ve paraphrased terror to “conspiracy:
Credible evidence of perjury, committed by members of the DOJ, has been submitted to United States Civil Rights Commission; and there is ample reason to suspect a DOJ conspiracy to obstruct justice — hiding the perjury. Is the next step for Congress to appoint a Special Prosecutor?
Fascinating, but will it lead to any prosecutions of some of DOJ’s staff, and a reopening of the Black Panthers’ case? Or as in an Indianna Jones movie, has that case already been packed away in crate in a warehouse somewhere?