Professors Indoctrinating Students? Not in Our University
A New York Times article reporting on studies that purportedly show that professors’ ideological views — overwhelmingly liberal — have no or negligible impact on students’ opinions has been plastered triumphantly on college bulletin boards across the land.
Conservatives’ worries about political indoctrination, according to reporter Patricia Cohen, are “overwrought,” indeed “fantasies.” The reactionary Don Quixotes have instigated a culture war, going so far as introducing “intellectual diversity” legislation and recruiting volunteers to monitor classrooms. At my community college, the headline, “Professors’ Liberalism Contagious? Maybe Not,” was circled in red magic marker, as if to suggest that those who still believe that our educational system harms young people might be ready for the meds.
I wonder which of my colleagues posted this article. Was it the one who wears the yin-yang ring, who one day during election season pulled a MoveOn.org email blast about Palin’s “Troopergate scandal” from the department printer, asking if I had seen this “news” item? Or was it the instructor who posted next to her office door a photo of Barack Obama and Joe Biden, signed by Biden with, “Thanks for your help!”? Or was it the instructor who shows Michael Moore and Al Gore movies as “documentaries”?
I am sure that none of these professors would go so far as to browbeat her charges and tell students whom to vote for. What with camera phones and all, there might be some backwards homeschooled kid who might send the video to Fox News.
In the interests of scholarship, though, the instructor would feel duty-bound to inform her charges about the nefariousness of the Bush administration — just as “facts” and background, mind you — along with the long litany of criminal acts and attitudes of the West, particularly the United States. All that she would say in this vein, whether in the context of history or literature, would be backed up by the “factual” support in textbooks.
So when students participate in the “studies” cited in the New York Times article and are asked on a questionnaire whether their teachers attempt to impose their ideology, they will probably say no. Asked whether they are vulnerable to persuasion by professors’ political views, today’s college student, steeped in self-esteem and flattery about his abilities as a “critical thinker,” is, of course, going to say that he came to his political views on his own, on the strength of the evidence before him and the critical powers of his own mind.
And this is the kind of interviewee a student reporter for the University of South Carolina’s Daily Trojan will quote for a concluding salvo to a syndicated article about “the results of studies … [that] refute the belief held by many conservatives that liberal college professors politically indoctrinate their students.” Freshman Christopher James’s assertion that “kids are way too smart to let themselves be swayed in one direction or the other” adds to the chorus of self-evident truth from desk seats in campuses across the country.
Yet, while students, teachers, and administrators in unison proclaim students advanced and sophisticated thinkers, studies, like one just released by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, show that knowledge of civics is rapidly declining — and that a college education makes little difference in alleviating ignorance. Test scores in reading comprehension and writing (argumentative) skills — the real tests of being able to think “critically” — continue to slip downward. These studies are backed up by my observations in the classroom, where I find myself increasingly needing to provide a definition for communism, and pointing out that, despite a scholarly estimation of the “brilliance” of Mao Tse-tung’s political strategy, he was a brutal dictator.
So what is going on in the classroom? If there is no bias and if teachers are simply teaching the material, and if students are such good thinkers, why don’t students know more about history and civics? Isn’t “critical thinking” a step beyond basic knowledge?
A lot of discussion and reading is going on. Anthologies are thickened with each new edition with verbiage from editors’ colleagues. Students come into class versed in vague theories about postmodernism and social justice, and esoterica like habits of a polygamous tribal chief of “African civilization.” They see Islam as the Religion of Peace, while Christianity is seen as handmaiden to Western imperialism.
I doubt that such a well-researched alternative as A Patriot’s History of the United States would find its way onto many reading lists, or its view into the introductory material of anthologies. Soviet dissidents like Alexander Solzhenitsyn are dismissed. The instructor is likely to follow the lead of most universities, and most recently Harvard, and substitute other types of literature, like “protest literature,” for formerly required British surveys.
Professors use school funds to attend conventions, where they meet at “round tables” and share strategies for surreptitiously introducing “gender” — all nine by famous feminist theorist Judith Butler’s count — into discussions about Russian history or Renaissance literature. Even where core curriculums are still in place, be aware: these teachers are infusing such Marxist-inspired theories. Even schools affiliated with Christian denominations have professors who brag, “Nobody knows. I teach the way I want to” — as one did to me last weekend.
So terms like Obama’s “spreading the wealth” and “redistributing income” clang pleasantly inside a freshman’s skull, echoing such cozy nostrums as “social justice” and “sharing.”
Yet, while asking one of my students why he was voting for Obama, I learned that he was for “change.” (Full disclosure: this was after the student brought up “change” as point of comparison to another “historic” personage whose speeches we were discussing.) But no one in class knew who Bill Ayers was, who the Weathermen were, and what they did. Such evidence of ignorance, however, does not dampen their estimation of their own decision-making abilities.
As anyone who has dealt with the four-year-old who insists “I know how to do it!” understands, arrogance is inversely proportional to age. Professors who themselves are perpetually in the stage of rebellious adolescence are not likely to recognize or report their own biases on surveys. Their students don’t know enough to know what they don’t know, and how much of it their professors are keeping from them.
To paraphrase Mark Twain, there are “studies,” and then there are damned studies.






Simply amazing. Back in July, about 100 of us “real” American Patriots went on a crusade to see what college students were being told about the Founding Fathers, the United States Constitution and American Politics.
Overwhelmingly, we found that very large amounts of students said that they were voting Democrat because the Republicans were screwing the Nation up.
When asked which ones specifically, the majority of them mentioned Pelosi, Murtha and Reid. I had to prove to them that those three were Democrats. Cutting a long story short, they were told that by their professors and teachers.
That was in Michigan. We found the same thing in Texas but to a lesser degree.
Indoctrination U.
It sounds like the author is merely lamenting the fact that students are not being indocrinated in conservative thought rather than the alleged indoctrination itself.
Any deviation from the teaching of the conservative world-view as fact clearly must be condenmed as unacceptable, how else will a new generation of conservatives be raised?
I’m sure that Ms Grabar does her best to redress any imbalances, maybe more conservatives should join the teaching professions and academia if they want to influence debate. It’s no good harping on about the injustice of it all from the sidelines.
Ah come on Jonesy55 thats just a load of rubbish and you know it. You are arguing for the sake of it. The call is for a balanced education not the current clear bias of the overwhelmingly liberal educators. Did you even read the article or just make a load of asumptions?
It sounds like the author of comment 2 is merely “nyah, nyahing” the article author. The only thing conservaties have asked is that facts are taught so that students have a basis for critical thinking.
I agree with the third paragraph though. One can only gripe for so long before lack of action nulifies that right.
“arrogance is inversely proportional to age”
Brilliant! and totally accurate. Another excellent article in my humble, age-ified opinion.
Join the teaching professions? Don’t think so. Conservatives aren’t allowed to join that club. As to indoctrination, well, no. More like teaching the whole story, not just the parts that support your own opinions (familiar with confirmation bias are you?). The best thing conservatives can do at this point is divest education from the government. Cut support, cut loans and subsidies, cut requirements (i.e. affirmative action) – in general get the government out of the higher education business all together. Political correctness is expensive as are unions. When a privatized higher education system gets beat over the head by their customers the crap will stop. What will be left are those students and those schools who recognize that higher education is an investment that must pay for itself.
In the weeks right before the pres. election I saw where someone surveyed several (I think the number was 83, but I’ve slept since then) college newspapers and all except for one endorsed Obama. How can a 50/50 nation produce results like that without some group-think?
What a GREAT article. We need more for people to wake up and turn all this Liberalism off. It’s killing us.
If professors did not influence their students, why are they employed at all? Why do so many liberals go into education, if not to have an impact on how their students think.
I suppose the old Medieval Univesities run by the clergy had nothing to do with Europe remaining Christian throughout the Middle Ages?
This was an outstanding article.
Does anyone get the feeling that Jonesy is a paid troll like the Obama campaign used during much of the election?
““kids are way too smart to let themselves be swayed in one direction or the other””
Would someone please hand me a paper towel? I just sprayed coffee all over my monitor.
I think the following experiment would be enlightening.
Pick a college, any accredited, 4-year college. Audit any 3rd-year level hard science course required for any of the following majors: math, chemistry, physics, engineering. Audit any third-year level required course for an education major.
Observe the behavior of the students. These are people who know what is expected of them, and who are willing, successful products of their programs. Their behavior is going to reflect what they’ve been taught in an array of courses.
Ayn Rand’s excellent essay “The Return of the Comprachicos” explains brilliantly how the left wing mindset is gradually instilled in kids from kindergarten. The progressive education system does everything it does to indoctrinate kids minds with an anti-reason mentality from day one. The job is finished in college. By the time they get there, students have little ability to think for themselves, to conceptualize objectively or create new ideas. They’re sponges, ready to soak up whatever attitudes and opinions their professors display. As professors in college are overwhelmingly left wing (only a fool would deny this), then to suggest that students aren’t being indoctrinated is perhaps the most dishonest thing I have heard for years.
The proof is in the pudding. I get to talk to students and graduates a lot. There is NOT a lot of diversity in their opinions, to be frank.
There seems to be a lot of diostrust of democracy here! Everyone is being misled by college professsors and MSM. Could it be that students are seeing the evidence of eight years of Republican misrule?
To Robert,
No.
Robert, I refer you to comment no. 1.
I know the truth, having experienced it myself, I don’t need any phony studies. Put aside the egregious propagandizing my children endured in public schools from New York to Pennsylvania to Florida, which forced me to homeschool my two younger children.
I went back to university to finish my studies after my youngest went off to college. I had professors who engaged in the most outrageous propaganda imaginable and whenever I countered their ridiculous statements with facts they would just change the subject-a typical marxist tactic.
In addition, I found the young students wholly incapable of offering coherent statements in support of or in opposition to any position. Mostly they either just mumbled their yeah or nay or spouted liberal dem talking points.
The worst treason in this country takes place in the classrooms.
“Does anyone get the feeling that Jonesy is a paid troll ”
lol, I wish!
“The only thing conservaties have asked is that facts are taught”
So how does that explain campaigns for teaching “intelligent design” in science lessons?
‘Teaching the facts’ is a nonsense, facts on their own mean nothing, without supporting information as to its relevance, significance and context which are always subjective, a fact is not very useful.
I was in college during the 2004 presidential election and I had a film professor who, after Bush won, spent the entire class period telling us how the country was going to go even further to hell in the next four years.
She walked into the classroom and said, “Can I assume we all feel the same way about this?”
“No,” I said.
She looked right at me, ignored me, and wasted the entire class period. Because we didn’t discuss a movie we’d watched that day, we had to discuss it during the next class and that threw off our schedule so that we never got to watch one of the movies that was on the syllabus. I had been thinking of minoring in film, but she was the only full-time film professor and I didn’t want to take another class with her again.
Jonesy proves he’s a brain dead liberal with this statement:
“facts on their own mean nothing, without supporting information as to its relevance, significance and context which are always subjective, a fact is not very useful.”
So according to Jonesy, facts have to be “handled” “manipulated” and “massaged” by the (I’m guessing)”right people” before being presented to “the masses.”
Here’s your clue for the day, Jonesy – you’ve defined propaganda. Facts and propaganda are two entirely different creatures. One is related to the search for truth and the other is engaged in the suppression of it.
am, how wrong you are.
Teaching is not just about about presenting a list of dates and figures and telling kids to go away and memorise them. Without any context it is meaningless, surely you can see this. I can teach a child that on 22 October 1983 the USA invaded Grenada. A child can memorise that fact but without context, how does a child make up his mind whether this was a good, bad or irrlevant event? Background information has to be added to give any relevance to this fact. It is simply not possible to give all relevant background information in the restricted timetable available to teachers and so some things will always have to be omitted, and context will have to be simplified. Now the teacher doing this is almost inevitably going to allow some of their own opinion to affect this process, they would not be human if they didn’t. What conservatives need to do is not to call out for some form of ‘fairness doctrine’ which requires teachers to be 100% balanced and unbiased at all times (something which is impossibe), they need to get off their butts and work in the education system to provide students with a plurality of opinion.
A very important issue covered up by false studies and media that has become devoted to liberal ideas, eastern religions, and anything anti-American. The pity that none dare call it treason – as an old book title once called it. Thanks Mary for your courage to write the truth.
I’ll bet the Daily Trojan is the student newspaper of the “other” USC…University of Southern California…not U. of South Carolina.
Colleges go out of their way to keep conservative professors out – they have blacklists and ideology tests. The same way Dems did all in their power to keep blacks out – until the great uprising.
There will be another great uprising, Jonesy. May I suggest you consider changing sides so as not to be trampled?
One caveat, though – you have to love truth for its own sake, not as a means to an end.
The Left has always survived by sophmore year indoctrination. As it ever was it will ever be. How about showing your kids the Millions killed by Mao, Stalin, Ho, Castro, Kim, Pol POt, Ortega, Chavez, The supposed Republcian army in the Spanish Civil war, they murdered 2500 priests, etc etc etc. The number of lefty murderes is well over 200 million. They make Hitler look like a minor league serial killer. Obama knows this, he tapped on that indoctrination button, gave his collection plate sermons and the masses of supposedly educated young uns voted for him. Gawd help him when they find out he was lying. And Gawd help him when the Reagan Democrats find out he was lying about their pay off. In 2013 Obama will be pushing Jimmy Carter’s wheel chair on the all new hammer for habitat tour. Finaly, reality Tv gets entertaining!!!!
For Jonsey: I guess you are ignorant of the fact that it is almost impossible for a conservative to get a PhD since they have to have a commitees approvial. If the ethics and integrity of professors has reached the point where ideology beats truth, knowledge, and proformance, then you’ll need to give better advice.
Don’t be silly Barbara, how do you explain the fact that the author Mary Grabar has a job then? Did she lie to get through the ‘ideology tests’ get outta here. Conservatives just choose not to get involved with the public education system in any great numbers and then complain when the liberals fill the gap they leave, well duh, what do you expect?
I’m not on either side barbara so I don’t really feel like changing, nice threat though, very revealing.
Loving truth for its own sake is great, but there is no way that in a subject such as history for example, students can be provided with a complete and totally unbiased education which equates to some form of universal and undisputable truth.
History consists of everything that ever happened anywhere and so neccesarily, only a very tiny portion of that can be taught. What is selected both in terms of broad areas of study and detail of individual events is a subjective process which involves those setting the curriculum to place more emphasis on some things than others and to completely ignore most relevant facts. Whatever is selected and not selected for study the result is bias, you can’t get round it, at least I can’t think of any way round it. If all the things that you want taught got taught then that would also be bias.
Maybe you think that this means manipulation, massaging the truth and equals propaganda but it is what has always happened since education has existed.
“the results of studies … [that] refute the belief held by many conservatives that liberal college professors politically indoctrinate their students.”
More to the point, some professors feel duty bound to use the pulpit (uh, podium) to spout their own “correct and enlightened” (uh huh, sure…) political and otherwise views at their captive audiences. (I actually heard a professor make such an arrogant claim)
Whether or not the indoctrination “takes” in individual students’ minds is less the issue than that it is going on.
And it is. A tragic departure from the days when professors’ standards were such that they worked hard to keep personal viewpoints out of the mix of their teaching.
Their students don’t know enough to know what they don’t know, and how much of it their professors are keeping from them.
Sadly, true.
The left has already turned the kids in high school. Let us not forget that most of the teachers are union members. I don’t know of too many conservative union members. I think that we have a right to have our kids educated in non union schools.
“For Jonsey: I guess you are ignorant of the fact that it is almost impossible for a conservative to get a PhD”
and I quote:
‘Mary Grabar earned her Ph.D. in English from the University of Georgia and teaches in the Atlanta area’
We have the same problem in Britain but the thinking of the academic oligarchs is usually described as Politically Correct as far from being liberal it is in fact authoritarian.
Recently there was a move led by some well know PC fascists to put adverts promoting atheism on London buses.
As an athesist but a true liberal I found this ridiculous but offensive as it is just an attempt to impose an opinion as a fact.
The wording on the slogan was “There is probably no God, now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”
Apart from the gross assumption that people of faith are worrying (in my experience they’re not – unless its about their bills and the recession, while atheists are not all like me, believing we live, we die, end of story. Many spend half their lives tourtured by middle class guilt and angst.
Politically Correct thinking is the enemy of civilisation. The purpose of education ought to lie in equipping people to think for themselves.
“Colleges go out of their way to keep conservative professors out – they have blacklists and ideology tests.” ” it is almost impossible for a conservative to get a PhD since they have to have a commitees approvial.”
I love statements like this. They are assertion based on what? You can make anytning up you like here and do not have to prove it. Is this the way conservatives think?
Thank you, whale. My husband and I have tried to make sure that our kids have been armed with the real FACTS about the dangers of leftist ideology and the PROOF in history. I wish I were more hopeful about the American people waking up and smelling the O-b.s. anytime soon.
I have to say though….I am buying front row tickets to see the tour you mentioned now….now THAT is must-see tv!
This has a solution: when a high school teacher or university teacher uses his chair fpr indovctination sue the ass of him and of his institution
First of all: Because your hard earned dollars are supposed to be used on teaching not in indoctrinating.
Second: Because the time not spent on teaching your children means that they will end with poorer jobs
Third: Because using the authority afforded chair for indoctrinating children or even young adults is an abuse of power that could be called a mental rape (let’s use progressist language on progressists).
The day professors and universities have to pay millions of dollars for indulging in indoctrination or allowing it then this non sense will stop. And your children will get a better education.
Conservatives,
Stop simply whining about how liberals are “brainwashing” your children and do something about it. Go become teachers. By refusing to take ownership of the education process, you forfeit the right to manage it. As long as liberals make administering higher education a priority, and as long as conservatives continue to view it through a lens of distrust and scorn, liberals will continue to own it and will have influence over the views of the next generation.
I think Mary Grabar’s critique is an excellent example of what is wrong with American Higher Ed. The triumph of opinion over reason. Yup. that is right. All Ms. Grabar is doing is disgreeing with a study because, well, she disagrees with it. She doesn’t examine the methdology, she doesn’t examine the evidence, only the conclusions and since it is contrary with her views, then she dismisses it. That is exactly what I teach my students…ignore all evidence to the contrary. Actually, that pretty much defines ‘stereotype’….a characterization of a people (or institution in this case) that ignores differences and persists despite contrary evidence.
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By refusing to take ownership of the education process…
Oh, please, Steve P, cockroaches like Ward Churchill and Bill Ayers have deliberately and conscientiously infested public education in America for decades now.
With a specific goal of accomplishing the “revolution” nonviolently. (Ayers, at least, knows that the violent thing might actually land his ass in jail these days)
While today’s “we don’t teach civics” public high school teachers are, themselves, the products of brainwashing they received during their own “higher” education.
(they likely believe something written by Alice Walker (one example among thousands) is actually “literature”)
Education is a big fat idiotic morass, and the brain dead have been running the show for decades now.
Whether liberal ideologues dominate education is not really in question if one cares to examine the issue objectively. The sanctimonious denials of people like jonesy55 or Hurley ring pretty hollow. But certainly conservatives can acquire PhD’s. They do so by keeping their thoughts pretty much to themselves, stay away from social science and, when finished with degree in hand, generally flee the academe as quickly as they can. Education in America can not be salvaged simply by more conservatives becoming teachers and professors. Schools at every level are too fully dominated by multi-culturalists and the shallow thinking feel-gooders. There is no real solution to the anti-intellectualisn of the unions and the liberal group think of the professoriate–the system is irreparably broken. If, as individuals and members of small groups, you wish to have an impact on the problem then promote home-schooling, campaign against every school bond measure that appears on the ballot, and never, ever send an alumni dollar to old alma-mater U. If the old system can be seriously damaged and denied the funding that will be wasted on junk “studies” then perhaps sometime in the future civilization (if there still is one) can start over. The present system is too far gone to be saved.
Liberals would not be professors if they didn’t think they could influence their charges.
Google “40 goals”….I forget which one is the commies taking over education.
Let’s roll.
I can teach a child that on 22 October 1983 the USA invaded Grenada. A child can memorise that fact but without context, how does a child make up his mind whether this was a good, bad or irrlevant event?
Your hate-America-first is showing. pwned. ROFL.
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@jonesy:
“I tried to be a liberal, but then quickly realized that it was an exclusive club.
My conversion to conservatism was cinched when I returned to school in the master’s program in English in the 1990′s.
In spite of the hostility of most of the faculty and the torture of having to wade through postmodern nonsense, I earned my Ph.D. from the University of Georgia in 2002.”
http://www.marygrabar.com/about.html
“almost impossible” which is true. Universities usually allow some token non-liberals, but not many.
Double-pwned…Boycott public (socialist) education. Vouchers NOW. Let’s roll.
Folks, why do you think ObamaMussolini wants “free college” for everyone?
And there’s that little “Civilian Defense Corps” post-college. Can we way Hitler Youth?
YES WE CAN!
Read David Horowitz’s book about the most dangerous professors in America. If after that you do not think that systematic effort exists to indoctinate college students has not been under way for the past 30 years, you have your head in the sand (or you approve of a Marxist shift in our culture).
Great point by tsteiger. Then there is this “Liberals would not be professors if they didn’t think they could influence their charges.” I thought that was part of the reason every teacher went into education; so, I am not sure what it proves. The aim of education is to teach students to question their assumptions. Every good teacher I had through graduate school did that. What most here are complaining about is that the majority of students voted for Obama. Where is the evidence that they only voted that way becauase of what their teachers told them. The argument is flimsy at best. Why don’t you examine your assumptions
I can vouch that maybe 5 out of a hundred college grads is capable of thinking at all. I love the idea of auditing what my kids learn, and suing. Think I’ll do that. I won’t homeschool because I am forced to pay the taxes that support the school, therefor they should be forced to teach my kid.
I too snorted all over my keyboard with this one! Kids are too smart to be swayed my *ss.
It starts much earlier than college these days. Thanks to the teachers union and other proponents of ‘standardized’ teaching, I recently attended my 4th grade son’s music class presentation of a ‘musical drama’ and tribute to the earth.
I was appalled at the way the 4th grade children regurgitated the media’s one sided views on recycling, pollution, and global warming in song and story.
I made sure to speak to my son afterwards to gauge the effect, and confided to him that ‘Global Warming isn’t real’. He laughed and said, ‘I know dad, it just doesn’t seem possible.’ I was so proud.
Be warned, if your children don’t learn to think for themselves, there is a steady supply of marxist elementary teachers who are fully prepared to do their thinking for them. Let’s hope that more kids are as savvy as mine appear to be, and can stealthily navigate their way through a school system that seems to be dedicating itself to turning out worker drones for the glorious state.
These responses are such cop-outs. If you care enough about your kids’ and moreover the entire next generation of American youths’ education, you’ll do something meaningful and become active in the education system by becoming a teacher, working on a school board, etc. Liberals in this country have made public education a cornerstone of their agenda. Conservatives, meanwhile, have never passed up an opportunity to deride higher education and intellectualism. Unless and until conservatives become engaged in the process above and beyond simply throwing stones at it, liberals will control the channels of education.
You can blame Bill Ayers, teachers unions and “ObamaMussolini” as much as you want, but guess how effective that will be in changing the system?
I don’t buy this argument, and I don’t find conservatives all that enlightened either. I don’t see Business majors get the indoctrination you allude to. Nor do Science students…Maybe you should focus the complaint on curriculum and what students choose to learn?
Would love to see the full details of this so called “study” posted.
Where did they do the research? What were the questions asked? To Whom…?
But so many are so used to hearing the “holy” words “a study shows…” that they never bother to see if the study is valid!!!
You really have to watch out fo rthose marzist elementary teachers. Wow talk about delusion!
–I’m surprised no one pointed out the obvious flaw in the study: it failed to control for students who WEREN’T exposed to college education. It may well be that the “indoctrination” is that college faculty are keeping our students from becoming little Buckleys, not in making them little Maos.
But I digress. My real point: I am a college academic. I am right of center. What happens in a lot of academia is like the dripping wax in Huxley’s Brave New World. They’re not even aware of how far to the left they have drifted, until they encounter a (gasp!) conservative, at which point the analogies to Hitler become a useful substitute for dialogue and exchange of ideas. I teach Reagan “warts and all” but I do the same to all the presidents. I throw darts at lots of targets. I’m tolerated because I’m not tenured and not likely to be so for quite some time.
In closing: Jonesy is a hind-end-talking troll. Not all conservatives are Christian creationists –or should we put in a call to L*G*F and Mr. Johnson?
I remember very well when I first heard the phrase “perpetual adolescence.” I was sitting in the office of the Chairman of my graduate department in a major midwestern university. Of course, the plaque reading “Chairman” had been ripped from his door by the capable hands of one of our feminist lesbians. No, she was only a candidate, not the perpetual adolescent. That person was an assistant professor who was seeking tenure. The chairman was sharing with me the difficulty of supporting a tenure bid for a professor who was notorious for dating his own students in the most flagrant fashion. Usually, professors waited until tunured to begin this practice. The Provost was complaining about this assistant professor’s behavior. In sarcastic expression of his woes, the chairman said to me “Join academia, become a permanent adolescent.” There you have it race fans, and from the heart. The fact that the vast majority of professors are bleeding heart liberals is the least of our worries.
“You really have to watch out fo rthose marzist elementary teachers.”
Yeah, like remember Clifford the Big Red Dog?? Obviously a subsversive allegory meant to trick our impressionable youths into cozying up to Communism!!
Da, American childs…just surrender to the furry warmth of big red State…i mean dog. Mother Russia…ahhhh..Clifford….vill provide everything you need! Hahahaha!”
While I grant that conservatives overestimate the influence of liberal academics, and often overstate their case (as in some comments here), what distresses me here is the logical weakness of the comments defending the academy. When challenged, jonesy55, Robert Hurley, and tsteiger switch quickly to a related subject similar in appearance and argue with that – jonesy is the worst offender there: he switches to defending context vs. no-context, relevance vs. irrelevance – neither of which were the subject at hand. I don’t know which is more worrisome, that he knows they are different but deceives, or thinks they are the same. I suspect the latter. Falling back to the “it’s always subjective” argument is head-bangingly obtuse, missing the point.
The NYTimes article acknowledges that liberals predominate in academia. It also acknowledges that student views move left over their college careers. The key point of the books and papers reviewed is their claim that these are mere associations, and that there are other causes. I can guess what some of that evidence is, but the clues in the article suggest I don’t know all of it. Let me move forward on the basis of that partial knowledge.
Students’ subjective opinions of whether they are being influenced are interesting, but irrelevant. Their self-identification of where they fall on the political spectrum over time is also not useful. We do not know if they have the same definition of “liberal” vs. “conservative” between freshman and senior year, and what data we have suggests that they don’t.
That last paragraph should have been unnecessary, but I include it because those arguments figure prominently in the article(!) The only pieces of data that would be helpful would be a comparison group of 18-22 year-olds who did not go to college (or went to conservative colleges, polytechs, etc). You really have to scour the NYT article to find that even mentioned, and no data are cited. Red flags right there.
I know of two studies which suggest a general leftward trend during those years, so there may be something to the barely-mentioned part of the argument. Those studies do not account for all the shift, however. The professors, the peers, or the water at liberal-arts colleges must be having some effect.
My college experience has been limited because I went to Undergrad part time because I was working full time.
However, my experience spans almost 15 years (from 1988 to 1999) and includes 3 degrees (BA Poli Sci, BS Computer Science, & JD). I will say that the “indoctrination” is very subtle, but is there. Most professors don’t go out of their way to tell students how to vote or that “Republicans are evil.”
But, they will steer conversations and information to a particular outcome. I had one English Professor talk about how we should aspire to make everything “fair,” et cetera. While all the other students were nodding their heads, I pointed out that “fairness” is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously, the professor was taken aback that a 18 year old kid was challenging him. This was nearly 20 years ago.
When I was in law school in 1996, I was taking a course on Environmental Law and the professor started going on about how the Alaska pipeline was killing off deer and bears. I did some quick research and at the next class, pointed out how the populations for those species were growing. She was obviously irritated by my research, but moved on.
My guess is that as long as the professor isn’t challenged, they will state their “facts” that will indoctrinate the students.
Young people are inherently hedonistic and ridiculously idealistic. No wonder they are pulled to liberalism.
I have to concur with Steve P. and others here reminding conservatives that if you know of bias and liberal agendas in your own school system and do nothing about it, it will never change. My own college aged child recently stood up to his professor of Latin American studies of all things who claimed that Wal-Mart was the root of all evil in this country. Laughable. Not sure what grade my child will end up with after having a war of words, but the professor was duly chastised and rendered speechless by my child’s willingness to stand up to blantant liberal ideals. Point being…there is hope in the next generation!
Unfortunately, the same can pretty much be said for all of Western Civilization. Our cultural and govt institutions have been thoroughly co-opted by Leftists, who have had 40+ years to churn out masses of ignorant drones for whom “feelings” are more important than facts. These institutions will now only be reclaimed through violence of one form or another…either foreign originating, in the form a biological/nuclear attack that kills hundreds of thousands of people, thus giving Westerners the equivalent of a cultural “defibrillation” that shocks them out of their apathy and stupidity…or domestic, in the form of a societal collapse brought on by the ticking time-bombs of ever increasing entitlement spending and a “gimmee, gimmee, gimmee!” populace.
Exactly. Kind of like asking 100 people “Are you stupid?” What do you expect the answer to be?
The Daily Trojan is from the University of Southern California, not the University of South Carolina. The latter are the Gamecocks.
British blogger David Thompson has written extensively about leftist indoctrination in universities, and is well worth a read. Read this, and be very afraid:
http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2008/11/temerity.html
A Couple of observations: I was fortunate enough to have a dragon of a High School teacher. She taught me (and all of her classes) how to write a sentence and a paragraph and an essay. Her literature classes were winners: I memorized some 250 lines of poetry WITH PUNCTUATION for one of them. A few years after this labour in McMurphy’s vineyards, I found I could recognize that a poem I had never seen before was written by John Donne.
Our school sat in the middle of the wilderness. There were 18 students in our graduating class. We had to take a ‘departmental’ exam, set for all high school (private and public) students throughout British Columbia and the Yukon. Three of her students were included in the top 5% of that cohort.
I have put up a blog, with some comments from some of her students at http://www.rememberingmissmcmurphy.blogspot.com
And then there is the teaching of History. I know that without knowing dates, you don’t know history. Without a grasp of dates, you have no idea of context. The example given was the American invasion of Grenada in 1983. If I wanted to know anything about that event, I would have to know why exactly Grenada was important to the US; what had happened on that Island to draw the military attention of the US; was the USSR involved?; and what else was going on in 1983 in the world involving the US and the USSR?
It really irritates me to see the study of History blown off as “just a lot of dates.” Attempting to understand a historical event without knowing the dates involved is like learning how to read without knowing the boring old alphabet… oh, wait…. the school system continues to debate ‘sounding out’ with ‘whole word’ teaching doesn’t it???
The real trouble with today’s education system is that its certification is necessary for entry into the middle class. Now, THAT is foolish!
Thinking of education in America and what a cesspool of nonsense it has become, could it be an area that could impact decisions of certain states to secede?
There are many political, economic, and other issues that would impact it, but education controlled by government and used to tilt minds to the left has really made the country so weak and full of people that are so dependent and incapable of any self-reliance.
I’m not thinking a state secedes next week, but down the road, once conditions (the economy in particular) just become too much to bear.
Freedom to educate your children seems to be related.
‘What a pathetic Joke ! That would be like me saying that after 2.2 years of hard 24/7 Training passing all the grueling test just to become a a ReCon Marine and then serving a total of 5.6 years in the Corps ….. The USMC had no Influence on my life . We are ”sure ” the NY Times and College Professors would “Not Say” the USMC didn’t Influence my life .
Not only did the USMC influence my younger years it still Influences life to this very day .
The difference between College Professors and ReCon Marine instructors is …. liberal College Professors teach anti Americanism , feeling , emotions , idealism’s and big government owes me .
My USMC Instructors taught me facts and how to stay a Live while honorably always serving , Loving my Country and nobody owed me but my own personal hopes , dreams , skills and hard work .
Big Difference !
I agree that the system is completely broken and cannot be fixed or reformed. The problem is that K – the university have quite a monopoly on how kids think and their understanding of their own context.
Most of the indoctrination is subtle. Occasionally you have the nutjobs like Ward Churchill (and other professors like him) who wear their politics on their sleeves. Most slyly direct kids focus and mental habits in directions which make them susceptible to Marxist thinking. The kids are not even aware it is happening, which is why they are now, pretty much on their own without being told to lean in that direction, likely to vote for candidates who want to continue the creeping socialism that works on us like bringing the water ever-so-slowly to a boil so that the frogs do not know it’s happening until it’s too late.
I did a masters in special education three years ago to teach children with autism. The “keystone” course–mandatory–was, of course, multiculturalism. We spent a semester praising subcultures and decrying white ones. In the course syllabus, there was a statement that our agreement with the concepts of the course was a large part of our grade. I mentioned to the teacher that if I taught a course called family values, made it mandatory, and placed such a statement such as hers in the syllabus, several of the following would happen: (1) the school newspaper would decry academic McCartheyism; (2) there would be a faculty meeting about my politicization of my class; (3) Wolf Blitzer would loft me into the situation room. Oh yes–forgot to mention: the course slides came from a progressive think tank. I was on shaky ground the whole semester. The only thing that saved me was my constant reminders to her that I would invoke a liberal tradition if she tried to have me expelled: conservatives can sue too.
rvastar: Compliments. Well said.
Tom: If rvastar is correct, then secession is certainly a possibility.
On the subject of indoctrination in college, this is nothing new as I had several “teachers” in the mid-1960s try to do so. About half of the students were older veterans, like me, and we just laughed it off, answered the test questions, made our A and graduated. Looking back, I do wish I/we had corrected the professors.
Interesting article.
I go to UC Berkeley and was never really interested in politics until I learned the extent that teachers did not want me to think critically. I always had a creeping feeling that my teachers were only presenting one point of view and with further research, I began realizing that my estimation was correct.
Throughout my educational experience at Berkeley I have repeatedly been penalized for expressing a viewpoint contrary to my professors. Although I have no problem with people pointing out inadequacies in my arguments, students expressing a liberal point of view are hardly ever subject to the scrutiny that conservative students experience when voicing their opinion. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the aim of this practice, but it is clear to me that these professors are raising a generation of students who are intolerable towards other viewpoints because they have only been presented with one (liberal) perspective as the “correct” answer, so to speak.
If one would like to argue that liberal indoctrination does not exist or effect students, I would like to know the purpose of the following:
-One of my History professors played a video by popular rapper, Eminem, during class on November 4th 2008. This video featured vulgar language against the outgoing Bush administration.
-One of my Mass Comm teachers did not allow us to analyze news reports from Fox News Channel for a final project. She said that this channel featured too much conservative opinion to be considered substantial.
I guess I can’t expect too much ideological tolerance from a school like Berkeley, but the mere fact that the effects of indoctrination can be denied by the NYT are outright hilarious from my perspective.
Mark Steyn left school at age 16; so did David Warren.
I have an interest in Highland Scottish history. Most children (boys and girls) in the Highlands attended school for 4 years. They learned enough arithmetic to function very well in business (once they left Scotland); they learned how to read (mostly via the Bible, a source of great stories and wonderful language); and they learned how to write well enough to send letters to relatives across the Atlantic and Pacific.
In my grandson’s opinion, school is a plot to keep children away from home. When he told me that, I laughed. Then I discovered that John Dewey’s driving impulse was to do just that: take children away from their parents at as early an age as possible, and teach them progressive ideas and thoughts. He saw Schooling as a political and revolutionary process.
And. that is what it has become. Except today, some 150 years after those Highland ancestors of mine, education for most children has extended from pre-playschool through university until one is 30 years old.
And we take it, because if you want to ‘get a good job’ you must be certified by an ‘educational institution.’
I know this is a small side-issue in the essay, but nine genders?!? Two are obvious. Using my imagination, I can come up with three more (woman in man’s body, man in woman’s, and androgenuous no-gender). There are four more? Where are we keeping them?
As to the larger issue of bias, here’s the problem–and it comes up all over the place. Only Conservatism is a bias. Liberalism is not a bias, it is just good plain sense. Therefore, a male liberal professor cannot by definition impart his bias on his students, and his students cannot be influenced by his bias–he has none (female liberal professors can do anything they want and it’s ok so I don’t address them here).
Also, there cannot be a liberal bias in the press or anywhere else. How could there be when liberalism is not a bias?
Just remember that only conservatism is a bias and it will all make sense.
Echoing Christina: when I was at Cal, the esteemed professor Walter McDougall had published his first book, the wonderful history of the space program which won him the first of many national public and academic awards. He looked forward to settling into the Berkeley Hills and raising a family. The History Department at Cal rejected him. Can anyone recall a historian of note at Cal in the 90s? Could any of those insignificant fellow travellers even review adequately one of McDougall’s books, not to speak of writing one of similar quality? This happens in major universities all over the country. That is why think tanks proliferate. How would conservative thinkers get published otherwise?
I think the universities are doomed. Like the MSM, they have dominated their field with a monopoly of the means of spreading knowledge.
But the Internet does the job better than biased academics can do it. Once this is generally realised, mainstream academia will become less and less relevant.
The liberal agenda is being shoved down high school kid’s throats. It’s sickening.
Worse, that smothering atmosphere of assured rectitude and truth sucks up all the time that kids could spend studying something valuable when they have the time to do it.
Economics, Roman and British History–American History–all cast away by pseudo intellectuals comfortable only with ludicrous specialities” such as LitCrit.
Hard-learned lessons are frittered away in favor of classes brimming with misdirected outrage over some perceived failure by America to be Perfect.
Like one poster noted its assumed that “we all share this view.” Only a fool or a brave person willing to forfeit an A openly disagrees.
Hence Ronald Reagan is “bad,” Nixon was “evil,” capitalism is really evil, school vouchers are the preference of racist idiots, a centrally controlled economy is best–but Che is romantic, Castro a good fellow, since “his health system works” (non of the professors are treated there but they are sure).
Evil Pundit is probably right: overpriced, out of touch and arrogant, the Universities may be the GM in the making. Too bad the professors, trustees and regents from Duke to Trinity couldn’t have really open minds. Too bad for everyone in the long run.
In Australia, our Senate came to an identical conclusion. It prompted me to write the following letter to the paper:
Dear Ed,
Wot Left-wing Bias?
So, a Labor-dominated senate committee couldn’t find any evidence of left-wing bias at our Universities (Aust, 5/11, p3). And if there was, it didn’t matter anyway. Yeah right.
They should have had blind Freddie on the committee.
On my first sortie (for a BA) into the universities in the 70s, Flinders Uni was rife with lefties, with Maoist Prof Brian Medlin in charge of the Philosophy Dept. On my last sortie (for a secondary teaching qualification), the Uni of Canberra Education Department was just the same. The universities are just as rife, if not rifer.
I wonder if I could get this vision-challenged Senate committee to look for evidence of some other things. Is the Earth warming due to human activity? Is Obama a Democrat? Has Rudd (the Prime Minister) been overseas yet? Have State Labor governments shown any competence yet? Are Australian Idol judges actually nice people? Can Penny Wong (Environment Minister and as aggressive as they come) open her mouth without rubbishing someone else?
Is the ABC (public broadcaster) biased? Sorry, they would never find any evidence of that! Is Julia Gillard (Deputy PM) smug? Is the sky blue?
The Senate committee could use the same cover for each report: ‘NO evidence was found of nuttin’’.
Is there any evidence of Labor-dominated Senate inquiries being useful for anything? I’d like to see an inquiry into that one.
Yours in wasting taxpayers’ money,
John Cleland
6/11/8
If the Republican Party is wondering how to recapture the vote, it should focus on schools.
The Democrats are doing their very best to create a generation of followers in the most vulnerable population — our young.
The educational establishment–top to bottom– is intellectually and ethically bankrupt. That means the state and federal education depts, the K-12 schools and the entire system of higher education. And, of course, its unions and allied organizations. This does not mean that everyone involved in education fits this generalization. It does mean that the system cannot be reformed in the conventional way. The only practical solution is to ignore the private and parochial schools and concentrate on the public schools. And the way to change the latter is by withholding the only thing they understand: money. So, for example, I’d suggest withholding school funds until teachers and administrators are as representative–politically and demographically–as the population they serve.
Jonesy55:
It’s not just what’s omitted and what’s not omitted from a syllabus – it’s HOW those subjects are presented. Are you seriously suggesting that it is beyond the intellectual capability of a left wing professor to leave his or her bias at home and present more than one side of analysis? I had a couple of teachers at school I can think of who did exactly that – and to this day I do not know what their political inclinations were.
The trouble is that far too many professors see their job as a platform to promote their views. They have – and know they have – an extraordinary amount of power in that the minds they shape will go on to work in politics and the media and will play a tremendous role in shaping, in turn, the attitudes and opinions of the public at large.
I think the key issue here is that a talented educator is certainly capable of teaching a subject objectively and exposing their students to a wide range of opinion – yet there are far too few professors and teachers who fall into this category. It’s not that “there aren’t enough teachers with right wing bias” – it’s that there aren’t enough good teachers.
Might I also add that left wing academics and educators are forever boasting that they put a lot of thought into the question of whether or not their approach to teaching is “biased against minorities.” They twist themselves into pretzels trying not to be too “Euro-centric” or “white-oriented.” When it comes to not offending ethnic minorities, gays or Muslims for instance, checking what they say and how they say it is seen as another part of the job, an integral part of their teaching skills. Thus a teacher of music history will boast that he tries not to make his course too centered on Western music and a teacher of history will do his best to accommodate an “Afrocentric” viewpoint. The feelings of minorities are pandered to at every turn. Far from left wing professors “not being able to help” teaching from a certain cultural or ideological angle, they pride themselves on their ability to put their subject into the context of virtually every minority in existence.
Every minority except conservatives, of course. Conservatives are a tiny minority on campus and I’ve yet to hear of one academic or professor proclaiming that he is careful not to offend them by throwing too much of their courses in a liberal context.
Professors will go out of their way to accommodate a “wide diversity” of views. Just as long as they’re not conservative (or individualistic, or libertarian, or pro-capitalist. The left wing idea of “diverse” does not stretch that far).
While talking to my daughter about her intention to vote for Obama and trying to explain his shady background she told me straight on that ‘all white people are racists’. This in spite of the fact that I married a Filipino-American woman which in her eyes brings no redemption from my ‘original sin’ of racism. Nothing you do will satisfy the dogmatic unthinking self righteous mentality of the so-called educated coming out of our institutions of so-called higher learning.
The great Gramscian march of the progressive Lefts through all our cultural institutions has born fruit. It has just tilted the country over to the anti-culture (i.e., a culture with feet of clay that only exists in antithesis to the disintegrating Judeo-Christian culture).
Arius @78
You nailed it. THE most influential AND SUCCESSFUL theoretician of the modern age is the Italian Communist Antonio Gramsci. All of you Leftists on this blog please google up Antonio Gramsci and read about his life and work. I studied some of his writings when I was in graduate school studying philosophy as a Jesuit seminarian back in the Eighties. His influence was so profound that he caused the Soviet Communists to slyly jettison Marxist-Leninist Communism in favor of Gramscian Marxism, and to plot a course for how to remake Russia and eventually cause the West to converge with Russia: it’s called The Andropov Plan.
Read about it in Robert Chandler’s book, “Shadow World: Resurgent Russia, The Global New Left, and Radical Islam.”
As a former aspiring academic, I was quite aware of how these professors and teachers who are “teachers of destruction” stealthily go about their work. It all got ramped up markedly in the Eighties, when the Red Diaper Babies who came out of the Sixties’ New Left began to get tenure at the institutions they were ensconced in. As a former Leftist who studied Liberation Theology extensively, which many Jesuit seminarians did, I can say with utmost certainty that Marxism is now deeply lodged into all of our academic, media, legal, and ecclesiastical institutions. Also, many people influenced by the Marxists are completely unaware of the provenance of the ideas and reasoning process that they ape. It’s all been packaged very slickly. It takes a very independent mind to resist it, and believe me, true critical thinking skills are a rare commodity in the schools and universities. Faculty and students.
This is why I am deeply pessimistic that our educational system can be reformed. It is ruined forever. There is a feedback and self-reinforcing mechanism at work that is an ironclad, closed circle. The best way to preserve our civilization, values, religions, traditions, and Constitutional precepts is through alternative institutions and processes of learning. I don’t like being so dark about this, because my natural inclination is to be an optimistic person. But on this issue I see no way out and really no hope whatsoever that the rot can be reversed.
Gramscian cultural Marxism is deeply embedded and is voraciously destroying our former cultural and civilizational consensus. It’s primary target is Christianity and its universe of values. It especially has targeted the family. And the destruction is underway, well underway and the Gramscians are hugely successful.
We have to select the ground of our own choosing from which to fight this battle if we are to have any chance at all. As it is, the brave few students and aspiring academics who try to fight this beast only get stepped on and crushed. In the case of students, the professors punish them by giving them lower grades. In the case of aspiring academics, it means having hostile committees to oversee your thesis and later on not being able to get tenure or even hold a teaching job.
I know the Left and the Communists like the back of my hand. These people have no scruples. They have neither conscience nor ethics; everything is expedient and everything to serve the overthrow of capitalism and Western civilization. As you peruse the comments found on many threads here at PJM, you will be able to spot the practitioners of Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals.
Don’t self-isolate: I-N-F-I-L-T-R-A-T-E.
I received this today from my cousin who is a school teacher:
What it took to get an 8th grade education in 1895…
Remember when grandparents and great-grandparents stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895?
This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina, Kansas, USA. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, KS, and reprinted by theSalina Journal.
8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS -1895
Grammar ! (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters.
2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph
4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of’lie,”play,’ and ‘run.’
5. Define case; Illustrate each case.
6 What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation.
7 – 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.
Arithmetic (Time, 1:25 hours)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10! feet long, and 3 ft! . wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
4 District No 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find the cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per metre?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a! Promissory Note, and a Receipt
U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.
Orthography (Time, one hour) Do we even know what this is??
1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of! each: Trigraph, subvocals, ! diphthong, cognate letters, linguals
4. Give four substitutes for c aret ‘u.’ (HUH?)
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final ‘e.’ Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.
Geography (Time, one hour)
1 What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3 Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.
Notice that the exam took FIVE HOURS to complete. Gives the saying ‘only had an 8th grade education’ a whole new meaning, doesn’t it?!
Also shows you how poor our education system has become… and, NO I don’t have the answers to this test
Anyone who says Facts be themselves are not very important, is an IDIOT!
I’m only in school because I have to be, in order to become a nurse. I should have just enrolled in an Associate’s Degree nursing track, but foolishly, I enrolled in a 4-year Bachelor’s track. Which is going to take MORE than 4 years to complete because there is a lack of clinical spots available. As soon as I get my BS in nursing, I am work for a very long time before I enroll in graduate school. Thankfully, I’ve already had the worst of my liberal classes.
Fred @ 79
Very well stated.
Gramsci understood that trying to overthrow Western govts was pointless – at the time, the primary cultural defenses of the West (i.e. Christianity and nationalism) were too powerful. So he hit upon the strategy of the “long march” through the cultural institutions, which has most certainly been accomplished.
The vast majority of the Left’s foot soldiers have absolutely no idea of their roles as modern-day “useful idiots”. Mention Gramsci to them – or the history of the Left in general, whether it be the French Enlightenment and Revolution; the 19th century British socialists and the Fabians; or the Marxist-Leninists – and you get either blank stares or snickering dismissals. They believe that talk about the Gramscian strategy is just right-wing paranoia. Why? Well, no one ever told them about it…so how could they be a part of it?
And that’s the saddest part: your average, every-day Leftist truly believes that the political ideology that he or she promulgates is historically based in a concern with helping “the people”. Nothing could be further from the truth, as the reality is that the true goal of Leftist political ideology is the same as all others – i.e. concentrating political power within a society into the hands of a sufficiently “enlightened” elite class so that it may rule over “the people” for their own good. If you want true insight into the Left’s historical view of the “the people”, you need look no further than Lenin’s comments about the Russian famine of 1891-92:
Gramsci’s genius lie in understanding that if enough of the “right” people where placed in the “right” positions within the cultural and govt institutions of the West, then eventually huge segments of the population could be indoctrinated. The final result would be the undermining of the aforementioned cultural defenses and, eventually, the embracing of the “liberation” by the masses, where they begin to replace faith in God, country, or themselves with faith in a nebulous, beneficent State.
Gee…sound like a certain recent election to anyone?
While I’m not a Christian, there are definitely a lot of pearls of wisdom about the human condition to be found in the Bible. Looking back over the history of the Left, I leave one of those pearls for our misguided Leftist friends to contemplate:
If Liberals Are Ruining Our Education System, Then Why Are Students In Ultra Left-Leaning Massachusetts Better at Math and Science than Your Kids?
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/12/mass_students_o.html
Massachusetts students significantly outperformed their peers on a prestigious international math and science exam, according to results released this morning.
In many cases, the state’s impressive showing on the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, which is conducted by Boston College, puts the state in the same elite league as several academically powerful Asian countries.
Massachusetts performed strongest on the fourth-grade science exam, coming in second worldwide just behind Singapore and ahead of Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Japan. By contrast, the United States as a whole placed eleventh with a score that researchers characterized as significantly lower than Massachusetts.
“This is a tribute to the work of the Commonwealth’s students, teachers, and administrators,” said state Education Commissioner Mitchell Chester in a telephone interview. “This is a validation of the educational reforms undertaken in the last decade-plus and the financial investment that was made.”
In Massachusetts, about 95 randomly selected schools administered exams to 3,600 fourth- and eighth-graders. Massachusetts had not participated as its own “nation” since 1999 when only the state’s eighth-graders took the exam. Participation cost the state $600,000.
The state showed remarkable gains in its scores, greatly outpacing the country’s incremental improvements.
In eighth-grade math, the state’s score rose 34 points to 547 from eight years ago, compared to a 7-point increase for the United States, which averaged 508 last year. In eighth-grade science, the state’s score rose 23 points to 556, compared to a 5-point gain for the United States, which scored 520 last year. The top possible score on each exam was 800.
Steve P,
I work for the company that has the contract to develop and score the testing for Massachusetts. Measured Progress, the company that has the contract for these tests, does not set the standards and does not select and approve the “exemplars” that are used as guides for the scorers of those tests. Massachusetts education bureaucrats do. By the way, those tests are not multiple choice, and scoring them involves a degree of subjectivity than can be managed and massaged by the bureaucrats. It’s a case of the fox guarding the hen house. While there is a certain degree of rigor involved, because they are “open ended” responses, I’ve benchmarked those projects and have seen how the state bureaucrats massage the scores. It’s disgusting. The whole thing is politically motivated and I think it’s largely done to give the illusion of progress.
hockeyplayer,
Below is link to a sample TIMSS math exam for grades 7 & 8:
http://www.edinformatics.com/timss/pop2/mpop2.htm?submit324=Grade+7%2C8++Math+Test
All of the questions on the sample exam are either multiple choice or fill-in. How does one “massage” a multiple-choice answer?
Steve P,
“How does one ‘massage’ a multiple choice answer?
Because the entire test has more than that format. They have open-ended questions that perhaps you have not seen. You are not seeing the entire test, sir. The sample exam you post does NOT have ALL of the questions.
“So terms like Obama’s “spreading the wealth” and “redistributing income” clang pleasantly inside a freshman’s skull, echoing such cozy nostrums as “social justice” and “sharing”………………… I guess it hasn’t occurred to anybody that the above terms resonant well within a freshman’s skull because most likely he/she was bred and whelped on our “Welfare State”.
Steve P perfectly exhibits a common misconception of the Left, hockeyplayer – namely, the notion that intelligence equates wisdom. There were plenty of Nazis who had fine intellects. Same goes for the Soviets. And in some areas, they used their knowledge of math and science in impressive ways. But they also lost sight of the dignity and beauty of the individual in their zeal to perfect “the people” and proceeded to unleash untold horrors on the world. And make no mistake about it: there are similar monsters out there right now, teaching in our schools and shuffling papers in our govt bureaucracies – they only lack the cover that a sufficiently powerful mob would provide them with to allow the beast that lurks within them to emerge.
IOW, Steve P: the problem isn’t the professor who teaches a student how to think…it’s the one who teaches a student what to think.
I think you bloviated right-wingers misunderstand the modern educator like myself. Our intention was never to instruct young people in old linear thinking and facts and figures. How passé! We have striven to raise consciousness about our responsibility as planetaery citizens.
If old paradigms of grading and proficiency, or what used to be called intelligence, suffered for it, all the better! We had an unfair, imperialistic advantage anyway, against poorer Third World peoples.
Socialism is not just about money. Spread the brains around so everybody gets a fair chance!
Dr. Lumplevin….Upon second reading, I’m starting to enjoy the sarcasm. Hope others follow suit.
#81 Heather….WOW! No way could an average 8th grader answer all of those questions today. You’re right when you say it sheds new light on the old saying of only having an 8th grade education. What ARE we teaching our kids today?
rvastar….You mad a good point that bears repeating. [...]Steve P: the problem isn’t the professor who teaches a student how to think…it’s the one who teaches a student what to think.[...]
Most professors are failures in the real world (Neil Boortz, not me) who have come slinking back to the safe and surreal haven of the campus world. There is, in these profs, a built in resentment of the successful, who work well in the real world. This resentment is easily transferred to vulnerable students, who mostly fear their own possible failures in the real world. Therefore, the scientific data heretofore critiqued, is based mostly on bullshit. Good job, Mary.
Man you guys are silly. Why is everything a conspiracy theory with you guys?
This is so easy to explain.
Urban-Blue.
Rural-Red.
Urban-tend to be college educated or have a high degree of interaction with educated.
Rural-tend to be locally educated, mostly at the high school level.
Professors-tend to be highly educated (I hope) and from urban areas.
Colleges-tend to be in urban aress, because why would you put them in low pop density ares. Thats where vocational schools go.
Look at a damn congressional district map. This phenomenon is clearly defined by demographics…end of story.
I can say for myself, I was a Mod Lib before I went to college, and I came from a Catholic and military family. Can you guess what type of area I can from?… If you answered Urban, you’re right but win nothing.
As far as my experience at a very liberal school (that happened to be a good fit for what I was studding) I did get exposed to Lib Professors on a soap box: not too many though. It was usually a subtle undertone. I felt cheated if it took away from the
course AT ALL. I had a few teachers that were relatively conservative too, particularly in non-social science: Lit, Chemistry, English.
To tell you the truth, listening to people political opinion is a lot more interesting in bars. At least then you can be drunk to numb the boredom and futility of it. In school I was hungry to be the best and to know the most. Somebody’s political opinion did me no good, and I made sure I told them that, when needed, in the course evaluation.
Go ahead and hate people…
wormburner….Why is it I think you’re that guy wearing the beret in the McDonald’s commercial who is paying too much for his caffeine at the boutique coffee shop? You really are full of yourself aren’t you? I love the conslusion you draw between rural and uneducated. Everybody in small town America is a farmer right? What? I guess it would be easy to come to that conclusion when one gets their news from the Huffington Post or from Christopher Hitchens. Let me guess, you read Men’s Health and go to a spin class 3 mornings a week too right? Please. I live in a relatively small area FULL of highly educated people. Don’t flatter yourself that they’re all clustered in your neighborhood. Congressional maps clearly show Democrat and Republican strongholds you’re right. But correlating being a Democrat to a level of intelligence is a bit of a stretch. Your myopic view of the world belies your prejudices.
re comments on #94,
I have TWO masters’ degrees and I live in a rural area in a blue state. You are not correct to assume that we who live in rural areas are knuckledragging hayseeds. Educated does not always equate to “liberal” or “socialist.” And I can tell from your post that English composition was not your forte. However, college towns and college campuses are heavily Left-of-Center, and have been that way for decades. We need to do more studies of the sub-cultures that exist in urban areas and why those cultures encourage collectivist groupthink.
Thinking Person:
Do you *really* want to argue that rural dwellers are as educated and informed as urban dwellers? That’s an argument you cannot prove, or get anyone to believe. I have lots of friends from the rural areas around my town – I know the people. They’re good people, but their schools were terrible and they went to community college. They watch a lot of Larry the Cable Guy. Is it a stereotype? Yes, but it’s also true.
If you weren’t so blinded by scorn for all the things you wish you could have, you’d understand why your argument is silly. I’m sure Farmer Joe and the guy at the feed store find you very convincing, but the rest of us do not.
Someone75…Why yes, I would like to argue that rural dwellers are as educated and informed as urban dwellers. You’re right, I can’t prove it except to point out again how you’re buying into a stereotype that is unfortunately for you, untrue. I guess that since you believe that everyone in small town American went to community college we are all just waiting for whatever new ideas or technology you big city types deem worth to pass along right? Love your quote…”"If you weren’t so blinded by scorn for all the things you wish you could have,”". I’m guessing you think we never travel on airplanes either then huh? You are seriously pathetic. See, you and pea-brained people like yourself are why we look with disdain on liberals. You cannot see past your own nose. Have you ever actually been to a fly-over state? You might be surprised to know not every town has a feed store although I’m sure you’d be humbled by the smart, authentic types you’d find there unlike yourself. Did it ever actually occur to you that some of the world’s largest companies survive and thrive in the middle of America full of Ivy league educated people? Did you even know they let us venture out of our little towns to go to college? I’m guessing you don’t venture out of your faux brick paneled loft to often eh? It might serve you well to venture out past your rat-infested troglodite existence once in a blue moon and meet people of other walks of life. I’m not blinded by scorn friend. I’m relieved to know that my thoughts on inner city boobs hold true. You are all apparently full of yourselves. Oh, and apparently you’re the one watching Larry the Cable Guy. You outed yourself by having knowledge of him. Laughable. So go ahead and breath in that filthy city air and drink your contaminated water and drive on your crowded highways and take your kids to private school because your public schools are lousy and I’ll continue to be smug about living the grand life out here where the living is easy. We keep pretty busy skiing, fishing, boating, sledding, etc. and doing all of that horrible small town stuff you just apparently find so loathsome. Glad I could open your eyes tonight. It’s the least I could do for a small-minded troll.
Thinking person,
As a person that attended a very liberal college, I was just trying to give my fair account. If you noticed, I said that I was rather turned off by mixing politics with MY education. I also used the word “tend”, which means, by no means absolute. How about on average?
Why are you attacking me when I assume we agree on the topic, which you failed to address? Pushing politics on students that are there to learn professional skill is unprofessional, at best, IMO. As a person that received this “indoctrination”, why don’t you ask me some questions? I’ll give you 100% straight answers. Would you like to open up some discussion on the topic instead of acting scared or angry?
Also should we be having a discussion on churches as well? I feel 100% the same for churches. I try to attend churches with my family but get turned off by the political rhetoric. That’s not what I’m there for. Is that indoctrination? I don’t want my little kids listening to anti-gay, evolution, or abortion rhetoric. I’m not ready to discuss what all that means with a 4 and 8 yo. When they are old enough, I will do my best to describe those issues, and they can make up their own minds.
I think this is a very interesting topic and would like some discussion and can live without the name calling.
wormburner….When you start your comment with…”"Man you guys are silly. Why is everything a conspiracy theory with you guys?”" and end it with…”"Go ahead and hate people…”" you kind of set yourself up as not looking for a discussion but by starting off and ending with telling the assembled posters how paranoid and hateful we all are. If you intended to have a discussion, why do that? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes it is hard to read intent. As you can tell, I give 100% straight answers also. I’ve already commented ad nauseum on my views on religion and politics on different topics on this site. I’m pretty open-minded when it comes to religion, every man must choose his own path etc. If you’re willing to warm a pew knowing what will be served up, you get what you get. Preachers, Pastors, Priests, Rabbis and the like are all human and have opinions. It’s up to us if we choose to stay and be party to it. As for educators doing the same. I feel it’s a different situation alltogether. Professors know they have a captive audience ready to soak up “knowledge” like a sponge. I’ve got a college aged child (sidenote to Someone75….He goes to a University, not a community college. We also have those besides airplanes and TVs fyi) and some of the biased information being sold as fact infuriates me. Of course my spouse and I have both been encouraging free thought in our home and my child is somewhat immune to being filled with nonsense. It’s the other kids who have been raised with a narrow view of the world (again, see Someone75 for further reading into the mindset of that crowd) who I feel for. They truly believe all that they are spoonfed. Your kids are still young. You have time to innoculate them against what lies ahead. I’d suggest doing so before somebody or some liberal institution takes the opportunity first.
In defense of Larry the Cable Guy (kinda sorta
…ole Larry may well be smarter than all the planet’s would be intelleck-tewals put together.
Also, in the simplistic red state/blue state dichotomy, I detect a version of thinking (“thinking” used VERY loosely) that is often reinforced in the not so hallowed halls of today’s Academy.
For liberals in training, much is put in neat categories and dichotomies. You are being conditioned to view the world through the lens of (boring) pairs of opposites…e.g., black & white, male/female, old/young, this religion/that religion, this ethnic group versus that ethnic group, on and on.
You’re often completely unaware of your…
Lockstep Android Conditioning
It reminds me of something I heard once from a prominent Mormon…”You don’t need to think, the thinking has been done for you.”
You do, in fact, need to think. Sometimes, you need to not think and then you might get zapped with an actual insight.
Someone75, you are the idiot here. Some of the top colleges in the country are in flyover states. Do you think they block locals and only let cityfolk fly in? Let’s compare who’s choosing what, and then see what that implies about their intelligence:
1. I have a large back yard. My kids run in it all day. Obesity and safety are not worries here. City kids live in apartments (oops, sorry, CONDOS), and if they’re lucky get taken to a park a time or two a week.
2. My kids go to the very highly ranked public school down the street. There they learn spanish and dance as well as the fundamentals. All on my property tax dime. City kids either go to jails disguised as schools, or to private school.
3. I am 1 block from a pristine river, with a nice park along it. No homeless living there, no drug needles, no condom wrappers. I can not say the same for any city park I’ve ever been to, including central park in NY.
4. I went to one of the top ranked state universities in the country, here in my own town. Paid instate tuition, which while by no means cheap, is NOT $30k or more a year. I am not starting out hugely in debt.
5. I am neither red nor blue, although I lean much more red (100% this last election) as I get older. I do, in fact, think for myself. As I was taught to do. I do not accept that X is good and Y is bad because some liberal tells me so. In school or elsewhere.
6. I can go out my front door, walk down the street, and smell NO exhaust. AT all. Unless of course it’s trash day and the garbage truck runs by. Can you do that in your city? Mmmm, I LIKE the smell of carcinogens filling my lungs with every breathe of my life!
Yeah, city folk are so much smarter. Locking their kids indoors where they play video games and get fat, breathing contaminated air. Damn I wish I was one!
I spent a few months grading Taas tests here in TX. It was such s cary eye opening experience. These students, well over 90% of them, could not form a coherent sentence to save their life, much less an actual paragraph. And they were passed. I would venture to agree that an 8th grade education in the 1800′s was the equivalent of a college degree today. Pathetic.
momof3….I’m starting to wonder if Someone75 got mugged on the way to his mailbox due to his lack of a reply. Either that or he reread his post and realized what a complete and utter buffoon he sounded like.
There has always been a difference between intellectual conversation and intelligent conversation. Just threw that out there. I like quips, okay.
Really ask yourself, how many niave college students who went on this terrific Obama rage, ie. getting T-shirts made, wearing buttons etc, really know what is going on in politics. Do they know who William Ayers is? Do they not think Rev Wright is a bigot? If McCain was a member of a church for that many years he would have been made to step down. Anyway..How many of those college students that lean so far to the left are model citizens. Do they pay their own bills. Do they work? Do they do drugs. Are they student leaders at the University. Do they do tough jobs and actually get their hands dirty. Why is it that young ingnorant people usually grow out of libralism, is it because they eventually assume some responsibilty in their life.
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momof3
“1. I have a large back yard. My kids run in it all day. Obesity and safety are not worries here. City kids live in apartments (oops, sorry, CONDOS), and if they’re lucky get taken to a park a time or two a week.”
When it comes to obesity, there are advantages and disadvantages to living in urban or rural, dense or sparse areas. Yes kids might have more private space to play in a rural area but they have to get driven by car every time they want to visit the shop or school. Urban kids don’t all live in apartments either. If there are good quality public spaces available in cities, this somewhat makes up for the lack of private space.
Anyway, the map below shows obesity rates by state in the US, many of the best performing states are places like Colorado or Montana but also Massachussets and Connecticut do well. The fattest states are in the south and not particularly urban.
http://apps.carleton.edu/MindBodySpirit/lifestyles/assets/US_obesity.jpg
Liberals in academia? Ok. Need to balance it and/or get rid of them? Sure. If your’re willing to also let the conservative bias in the military and boardroom fall to the same argument. We need more socialists as CEOs and more pacifists in the military. Yep.
This is all a matter of whose ox is being gored, and as many suggested, if you don’t like who is doing the teaching then step up the plate. If there are barriers, knock ‘em down. This is America and you can do anything you put your mind too. Right?
Bootlegger,
How would a socialist perform in a boardroom? The idea of business is to make a profit, anathema to any self respecting socialist. How would a pacifist perform in the military? The idea of a military is to make a killing machine out of a large group of people, in direct opposition to the moral values of a pacifist. How would a conservative professor perform in a classroom? The idea of education is to teach young people how to enhance their reasoning skills. I see no reason a conservative would have a problem with that task. Your argument makes no sense unless we are to assume that a conservative is unable to perform that task because he is a conservative.
Jim Baker-to a pacifist, the military should refrain more than it does from killing people, so I would assume we would kill fewer people with our military should there be more pacifists there. A socialist as a CEO would favor paying more money in taxes and higher wages with more benefits to the workers. There is no reason a liberal couldn’t be a CEO or a General, just as there is no reason a conservative cannot be a Professor. The fact that conservatives CHOOSE to be CEOs and Generals while Liberals CHOOSE to be professors should be completely unremarkable.
Liberals can believe in free markets, so they could be CEOs. Liberals can believe in the need for a strong military to fight for our nation, so they can make good soldiers. Socialists, because of their beliefs, will not be good CEOs. Pacifists, because of their beliefs, will not make good soldiers. Moreover, a pacifist, who believes in free markets, could be a good CEO. A socialist who believes in the need to have a strong military, can be a good soldier. Do not attempt to equate liberalism with socialism and pacifism by assuming that only liberals can be either.
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