Pro-Joe: Plumber’s Trip to Israel Scares the Establishment Media
Pajamas TV is turning Joe the Plumber into a journalist, and the media class doesn’t like it one bit.
Joe Wurzelbacher is in Israel with a television crew in tow to talk to Israeli civilians about the war with Hamas in Gaza, and quite a few journalists — including the author of this media blog — seem personally offended that an out-of-work plumber who was recently the focus of their snarky asides might soon be counted as a peer.
On the surface, their complaint seems to be that that being a war correspondent — among the most glamorous and dangerous of media assignments — requires a specialized journalism background.
At the risk of bruising the fragile egos of some of these journalists — no, it doesn’t.
It never has.
Stephen Crane, the novelist and journalist best known for the Civil War novel The Red Badge of Courage, covered the brief Greco-Turkish War and the Spanish-American War, somehow completing his assignments without graduating from a string of colleges. Somehow Crane muddled by, despite not possessing a great deal of historical knowledge, military insight, or specific expertise about either the conflicts he was paid to cover or those fighting in them. Perhaps he was just lucky these were short wars. Ernie Pyle worked on a much longer and wider stage than Crane, and was known for his folksy, down-home stories of regular people serving in World War II. Pyle didn’t complete his degree at Indiana University, but he didn’t let that stop him from getting syndicated by more than 300 newspapers. He picked up a Pulitzer on his way to becoming the most famous war correspondent in American media history.
Today, Pyle’s torch is being carried by independent combat photojournalists like Michael Yon, who took perhaps the most iconic photo of the Iraq War in 2005 — an American officer cradling a mortally wounded Iraqi girl after a terrorist attack. The photo was Time magazine’s online photo of the year. Yon’s combat dispatches from Iraq and Afghanistan are read around the world. Yon has no formal training as a journalist, and yet does the job far better than 99% of journalists in professional news organizations.
I watched the coverage of Joe’s expedition on local Israeli news. It was scurrilous. it was churlish. it was full of the uppity elitism od seasoned MSM against the newbie who does not belong to the guild. And that is the point. MSM is a world-wide guild with a single view, anti-zionist, antisemitic and anti American. Joe represents every day Israelis under fire, and their mode of thinking a hundred times better than any MSM reporter, or his arab stringers. Keep up the good work Joe!!
Yuval Brandstetter MD
Beer Sheva under fire, Israel
Let us not forget that professional war correspondents were responsible for this atrocity against truth. Given the performance of professional journalists in recent years, I’d trust a random person off the street more than I’d trust a Pulitzer winner.
The mainstream media are dying. The left-wing journalists who used to control the narrative are being laid off in droves — and finding that their “skills” are worthless in finding an honest job.
They look at Joe the Plumber and they see the future of news. Of course they are terrified.
Here’s another reason Joe’s journey to Israel scares the mainstream media–he may get to the bottom of this allegation: http://markepstein.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/joe-are-the-jews-really-harvesting-arab-blood-for-pastriesing-arab-blood-for-pastries/
I wish they would send Joe over to clean and fix the toilets in Gaza. Oh, that’s right – he’s unlicensed. Sorry Joe.
Yet more gross over-simplification and generalization. Is the mainstream media entirely biased? Well, yes, if you are a paranoid lunatic who sees Christiane Amanpour as the embodiment of ALL Middle East reporting.
Newsflash to all those people who have referred to her (and normally only her) as the ‘evidence’ for the MSM being entirely biased: There are alternatives. I would recommend the Jerusalem Post, for a start.
Sorry, Evil One, but your post is a stupid strawman. The idiocy of a SECTION of the MSM does NOT guarantee the performance of Sammy-Joe Liar Wankerbacher. It doesn’t influence it in any way, shape or form.
Sammy-Joe is a terminal loser who hasn’t bothered to educate himself, hasn’t bothered to find a rewarding career path and seeks only to milk a 5 minute appearance on TV in a classless, gratuitous way.
Even that appearance was indicative of the kind moron he is. He lies twice in the course of talking to Obama on camera, then lies on camera again, the following day, when asked if he is registered as a plumber under ANY name.
Ask yourself this – if Sammy-Joe was willing to lie repeatedly on camera when he stood NOTHING to gain from it, how much can you trust his journalistic output?
Thanks for helping me win Ohio, Joe. (that’s sarcasism) You’re about as effective now as you were when I exploited you during my campign. Keep up the good work, Jackass!!!
The TV media is not paying attention to Joe the plumber. Silence.
No. A plumber makes a horrible journalist. I’m a plumber, I should know. Stop hitching your wagon to this guys star, guys…it’s the whole reason you lost the election. Wake the hell up! “Fiscal” “Conserve”itism. Get back to it. Leave the Palins and the Plumbers behind you. The same recipe of BS politics that the Republicans championed during the last 8 years id dead. Dead dead dead dead dead. You would think that a decorated war veteran being clobbered by a junior senator community activist radical would be enough to wake you all up. I guess not. Keep up your obsession with people like Wurzelbacher and keep keeping losing…
Yep, Yuval. I watched the snarky coverage on Israeli TV. The problem is the same here (Israel) as it is in the US (with the possible exception of Fox News) and the UK – leftist and elitist. (Yonit Levy – arggghhhhhhhh!) Joe’s a great guy and he speaks “dugri” (Hebrew for “in your face”). This is very threatening to the MSM everywhere. Joe is basically a blogger with feet and a microphone. MSM – Make way. We’re coming through!
Thank you Joe for being a patriot. I wish all plumbers would boycott congress in solidarity with Joe and the U.S. Then Reid could really smell the HOUSE…..
I wish there were an army of Joe’s in every part of our media, government and everywhere.
harsh reality you sound like a democrat who hasn’t had his morning latte.
Just saw the Israeli MSM’s coverage of Joe (on Israeli TV). I agree with what Yuval says above – but I would add that they went so far as to characterize PajamasTV as a “subversive, conspiracy-mongering” blog. I almost threw a brick at the TV! Good thing I don’t keep bricks in the house…
Joe scares them because he has more guts and integrity than all of them put together.
Give ‘em Hell, Joe!
Given the quality of his report, I don’t think the media will be losing a huge amount of sleep over JtP. I predict it won’t be long before he returns to the richly-deserved obscurity from whence he came.
#4 Jeff,
You forgot to mention that Joe is not really his first name. LOL. The guy had government paid dims searching his personal records to find something to bludgeon him with and the best you guys can come up with are these two little nuggets. You have no idea how ridiculous you sound. Joe asked “The One” one question and the answer provived more insight into Barry’s socialist intentions than the entire MSM. Sounds like he is more of a journalist that alot of folks who claim to be. Oh wait…..Joe is not his real first name and he’s not licensed, so somehow that makes the question he asked invalid…..or something.
When Joe returns to America, I hope that he will form a partnership with an independent talk show host.
Don’t get me started on the ‘expertise’ of the MSM. If I see one more video clip of an Israeli helicopter firing off defensive flares, while listening to some air-head presenter tell me the helicopter is ‘dropping bombs’, I’ll scream.
Well Plumber,
You would think watching supposed “objective journalists” on their knees for that same radical would make people realize the MSM is as biased as any former USSR “news organ”. How many votes do you think the ridiculously biased coverage gave the One? I agree about fiscal consevatism but the demonization of Palin and Joe goes beyond the pale. BTW the loing elections is 2 out of the last 6, not a bad record.
Today’s journalists remind me of some of the uppity jerks working at Starbucks. Pompous clowns believing a $4 cup of burnt coffee elevates them to some perceived status. Most current journalists are only interested in furthering their career, promoting their agenda, and looking good on camera. The truth is irrelevant.
Surely you won’t mind if we snicker behind your back, will you?
you’ve achieved your goal of creating a media circus around this stunt. shame on you.
Whether Joe is a real plumber or not or even is a journalist. What does matter we finally get reporting that represents Israel’s point of view. Israel’s enemies vow to get rid of the Jewish state and the MSM refuses to make the Hamma’s point of view clearly. They never did when Yassir of the PLO was running things. They always demanded that Israel make concessions while the PLO said their goal was to eradicate Israel. Why can’t the MSM media report this when they are licensed?
It seems like many people are still bitter about losing.
This guy is a clown who isn’t even a plumber and isn’t even called Joe, why you are all treating him as if he’s the messiah is a mystery.
All he did was lie to Obama about his circumstances to get on tv, woopie doo! If this is the intellectual level of the republican party these days then i guess it’s no surprise you guys lost.
The only reason you like his ‘coverage’ of the gaza conflict is because he’s guaranteed to tell you what you want to hear, long live the echo chamber!!!
If a Saturday Night Live comedian can be a US Senator,
If a “community organizer” can be the President of the United States,
Then a plumber can sure as hell be a reporter.
First of all, I have to wonder if Joe has learned to “pronounciate” names over there yet.
It’s silly to argue that because M. Totten doesn’t have a “journalism” degree doesn’t make him educated in the field of journalism. Go into any newsroom and you’ll find plenty of working journalists with english lit, political communication and other “non-journalism” degrees.
And saying someone with no background and no training has just as much chance to excel in a field as those who have chosen to spend years studying the field is outright silliness. Imagine the reverse of Joe’s story (assuming Joe were a licensed plumber): I need someone to do all the plumbing on a my new home under construction. Who should I hire? The licensed, highly-trained plumber with years of experience or my brother the English-lit major and school teacher and his “How-to” book from Home Depot?
Truth be told, anyone can do just about any job at entry level. Doing a job well, however, takes dedication, and yes, study.
23. jonesy55 wrote:
All he did was lie to Obama about his circumstances to get on tv, woopie doo!
Peter responds: Sorry, jonesy, but Obama came to Joe, not the other way around. It wasn’t like he was looking to get on TV, or have his life ripped open for public scrutiny. He just happened to be standing there when Obama came by expecting to get nothing but praise and glad-handing, and the liberal-leaning media punished Joe for speaking out of turn. Shame on them. Go get ‘em, Joe!
A licensed, accredited journalist is a wondrous concept to contemplate. First, you must get approved by the International Guild of Gnus Knowledge and Reporting Foreplay. Second, you must attend multiple seminars at the Tobago Journalism School and International Crisis Understanding Center. After which you serve as an apprentice to a media outlet where you must survive an endless series of razor fights.
Joe the Plumber has not served his time doing weather at 2:00 am in a small market. That is among the 1,234 reasons they hate him. After all, he has yet to develop the “authentic” voice of pack journalism. That sort of puts him along side bloggers, doesn’t it?
Joe must be doing something right if this many Obots are going to swarm this thread like this. Even with almost as many “y’know”s as Caroline Kennedy, he still manages to get under the Obots’ skin, which is hard to do, seeing as they don’t have skin.
Journalism has, indeed, been a profession where a degree was not required. A journalism degree is usually a combination of liberal arts classes with a few writing courses tossed in. If you’re a TV major, you can get some campus station airtime, etc.
The attitudes toward Joe make me laugh. Huffington Post started an “off the bus,” which was explicity non-professional people writing about the campaign. Now, they hate the idea, I guess.
Mostly it’s just the same nasty class warfare remarks I saw in the campaign. What’s astonishing to me is that these same people actually think they should speak for “people.” Anyone remember the media’s remarks about Appalacia states? I was mortified. Never in my lifetime have I heard such prejudiced negative remarks made as though “everyone knows” as this past year.
The media passed along, and still is, outrageous lies, wrote tabloid stories without proper sources, and got the D- report card from the public in poll after poll. I’d be defensive, too, if I were them.
They are looking at the end of their lock on news.
He went to a war area the MSM refuses to visit. He reported what the Left does not want us to know.
Maybe if they shriek loud enough, we won’t be able to hear him.
It is a neverending source of amusement to see the constant attacks on JTP, whose only sin seems to be that he made the mistake of causing the Mighty One to reveal more of his stands than they wanted him to. It would be great to hear from a “journalist” that gave the Isreali side of things, rather than the anti-semitic version that we are constantly bombarded with. Sad that a people that are forced to deal with a problem are instantly labeled as the villians. But that is the MSM.
The power that came out of JTP’s encounter with Bambi was the simple fact that Bambi accidentally and unintentionally told the truth in response to a simple question.
I don’t expect Joe to be a “journalist”. Why would he want enter a profession that has so little respect, compared to the regard we have for those who take care of our water supply in to our houses.
I hope he has a good time on this ride. Whether or not he “succeeds” is so completely irrelevant. It’s very silly of the MSM to now try to make him the story and thus lift themselves up (again). So what else is new.
The story was and is that Bambi intends to redistribute the wealth. That means he’s going to take money you have earned, and give it to people who have not earned it. THAT was and is the story.
Today’s media, the blogosphere included, has become about one thing: money. Whether it be about making enough money to support your small, independent blog (and maybe yourself) or enough to fund your global operations.
The difference between the blogosphere and the MSM is that the blogosphere can sensationalize anything to generate page views (and therefore ad revenue), and when they’re called on their ‘journalistic integrity’ they point out that they’re a ‘blog’ and never claimed to be journalists.
I know there’s plenty of bias in the MSM, but certain parts of the blogosphere go well beyond that.
I love the comments that call him ‘Sammy Joe’ or whatever, to drive home the all-important point that his name isn’t really Joe. Lots of people use their middle names for everyday use, but if this is all they have to seize on to discredit him, it shows they are just afraid he’ll make them look stupid.
It only happened a few months ago but they’re already trying to rewrite what happened the day Obama came up to him, to make it look like Joe (sorry, Samuel Joseph) was looking for fame.
Get over yourselves!
Looks like Joe has kicked an ant hill of “Anti’s”. Already being criticized because he’s not professional or black. Good! He’s already proven to be a “professional observer”. If I were on staff at a community college, I’d start a new program called “Professional Observation and Comment”. No end to study material and bad examples. Could probably get a government grant, too. (I’m going to have to look into this).
MSM’s too out of touch to be scared of Joe. They’re not scared of Rush Limbaugh who has 14 million listeners a week but think Rachel Maddow is a rock star because she can crack 1m. Still, I think having Joe go to Israel is something of a gimmick and calling him a journalist strains credibility, maybe commentator or correspondent would be more accurate. The article raises a good point, but the conclusion I would draw is that journalism, especially the investigative tradition, is pretty much dead. Which I guess this last election pretty much proves.
Anyone who calls JtP “Sam” or “Samuel” and thinks he’s got something on Joe with that is by definition an idiot.
Half of my male relatives go by their middle names.
I like Joe, and there are pros and cons on the JtP phenomenon, but I automatically discount all comments that mention the word “Sam”. It’s a quick-and-dirty way to weed out the fools.
It used to be said that anyone could grow up and become president. And just as that was about to happen we are told that the the average man is incapable of following in Dan Rather’s storied footsteps.
I imagine the msm is just quaking in their boots! Joe’s reports will be just more good fodder for Jon Stewart
To all Leftist acolytes:
Take a deep breath and think of it: only 10 years passed since the first appearance of the Blue Death (Win ’98 crash) and we are seeing the phenomenal sprouting of new voices, new medias, new talents: the tingling legged C. Matthews and D. Rather-s are ridiculed, yet Michael Yon’s Iraq diaries are superb and truthful…
The daily laments of the sex-starved aging feminists like M. Dowd are falling on deaf ears: do I want to read a resuscitated Marxist propaganda at CNN when even in Russia it has been expunged.
Your monopoly on the truth is OVER! JtP is only the first regardless whether he is right or wrong: he is the tip of the battering ram which will destroy the biased, Leftist media.
Get ready for the new wave of ideas and you can stay with the literature that published by the “Worker’s of the World – let’s bash the Jews!”
Homage to the courageous Pajama people and JtP for being the First to crash the leftist mindcontrol.
Realist, has anyone at PJM called him a “journalist” specifically? I know my title at PJM is “Correspondent.”
We need non-professionals in reportiong for the same reason we need non-professional jurors in courts of justice: to get rid of professional deformations of mind.
to all the biased leftists, haters of the Nation of Israel and kissers of the feet of lying arab politicians:
Praised be the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob and Father of Yeshua Hammashia , the One who promised Abraham the land of Israel to him and his descendants alone. Yahweh told Israel, be sure to be kind to the sojourns from among you and treat them well that it may be well with you. Well, Israel has done nothing but that, giving the arabs jobs, food stamps, pensions, electricity, water, schooling, phones which is a lot more than Arafat gave them in 30 years of being the head of PLO. Arafat did give the arabs something: bombs to strap their chests with so they can blow up the very people that gave them all the amenities that Arafat refused to do. If one refused, then he ” infidel” was skinned alive, his body hung by the highest point in the city, his family ran out of their home or worse and blame it all on the Jewish state. A great portion of the money that Israel receives from the US is used to provide jobs so even the arabs have a place to earn money to feed their families. All the money received by Arafat, his wife and their cronies was used to build luxurious homes for themselves, buy expensive cars, open Swiss bank accounts and oh, I almost forgot, buy lots and lots of bombs and guns and
ammo. No creation of jobs, no infrastructure such as roads, bridges, schools, power plants ets. I thought that after Israel gave the arabs the Gaza and West Bank, the PLO will be self sufficient in governing themselves, respect the territorial integrity of Israel, and making sure that no terrorist act would take place. Wasn’t that the agreement? LAND FOR PEACE.? Oh, this simplistic formula is so hard to comprehend by all those leftists of the world that hold the destruction of Israel views within their hearts , but denying it publicly, hiding their true meaning of their words behind the excuse of taking side of the poor widows and motherless Palestinian women ( the same mothers and wives that teach their children that it is the duty of every muslim to kill a Jew and if he or she would die a martyr, they will go to Paradise in the buxom of Mohammed and he will give the each 72 virgins ) Yeshua said ” Out of the abundance of the hearth a man speaks” If you have compassion, you will judge the action of both sides and find fault on both ends, but if you have hatred for one and love for the other, no matter how many faults the side that you love has, the other side that you hate will always be to blame even if it has proven time and time again that Israel has no malice towards the Palestinians, but that they are just protecting themselves. The present actions of Israel are overdue. For two years they turned a blind eye and used restraint to the rocket attacks fired from all over the place, but no more. There comes a time when one has to take a decisive action to make sure that the enemy will know in the future that it cant do what it wants and expect no reprimand and punishment. But, as the majority of the conservatists know, to a liberal, peace at any cost means invite the robber into your house, let him clean you out of your possessions, rape your wife or daughter, free room and board for as long as he needs and torching your house down after he gets bored with the place. ALL IN THE NAME OF PEACE. ” I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you” It is written and Gods Word can not change no matter how a liberal tries to justify his reasoning. God loves those Palestinians that have no malice in their hearths towards Israel, that want to have a real peaceful and productive lives, one that says what he means and means what he says, not those that talk on both sides of their mouths with forked tongues. I wonder what the Hammas, Hezbollah, al -queida and the liberals that love them would say the day when Yeshua would reign as Lord of Lords and King of Kings from Jerusalem for 1,000 years? I hope to live that long to see that day.
Joe the plumber is an uneducated, opportunistic idiot. Guess that makes me sound elitist. But hey, like some other posters have said, if the Republicans want to be the party that celebrates people whose grandiose view of themselves outperforms any real knowledge or experience, then soldier on, Repubs. Hell, I have lots of opinions myself. That doesn’t make me believe that what I rant and spout off about is some new kind of journalistic realism. I don’t think much of the MSM, not because they are biased politically but because they are mostly talking to each other, always with an eye on what will boost their ratings. But to hold up this idiot semi-plumber as an alternative? It’s like not liking the medical profession and going to a car mechanic instead. And what have we learned from Joe? That the mainstream media is bad, Joe is good, and that if someone hits Joe he wants to hit them back. Wow.
Joe the Jerk or how low can you guys cruise, below the radar harldy with Joe the party pooper!
35. Cybergeezer:
I’d start a new program called “Professional Observation and Comment”. No end to study material and bad examples. Could probably get a government grant, too. (I’m going to have to look into this).
Peter responds: Sounds like a great idea, Cyber. Let us know how it goes. I would be interested in attending a class like that.
The surly comments coming from those so emphatically opposed to Joe just remind me how much the Obama camp’s promises of unity are just campaign rhetoric. The differences that made for Obama and McCain’s separate candidacies are still out there and create grand illusions of change on one side and inordinate opposition for Obama from the other side. Obama has a honeymoon, not a mandate, and honeymoons will not last long. On the Obama side is the snarky, anti-working class bias and on the other is the thinking of those in the working class who really uncomplicate things in surprising but realistic ways. That’s Joe and Sarah. Unclouded by myopic visions of reality which overwhelm people like Harsh Reality above, they understand that those who would complicate realtiy don’t necessarily know any more than simple common sense would serve as explanation. (BTW, Harsh REality, what lies did Joe the Plumber say about Obama or himself–please document this with references so I can read your SOURCES and then judge your point of view as I have no knowledge that such lies were told).
WELL IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT AS LONG AS THE REPUBLICANS KEEP ON HITCHING THEIR WAGONS TO JOE “THE PLUMBER” AND SARAH “BARICOODA” PALIN THEN THEY WILL KEEP ON KICKING DEMOCRAT BUTT FOR DECADES TO COME IN FACT I THINK THE DEMOCRATS WILL STAY A PERMANENT MINORITY LOL
What the MSM does not cover is that there is a wide spectrum of opinion in Israel itself regarding the best way to secure its freedom and its future. Similarly, when Clinton was President, half of the population vehemently disagreed with his policies; ditto for Reagan and for Bush 1 and 2. There are many people in Israel who opposed Israel’s last foray into Lebanon, for instance. They were patriots as well. Many oppose the current military strategy, thinking it will ultimately embolden and strengthen Hamas rather than destroying it.(When people are being bombed, they blame the bombers, not their neighbors who may have put them in harm’s way.) Don’t forget George Bush’s role in pushing for democratic elections, elections which elected Hamas.
By the way, speaking as one with advanced degrees in economics and accounting, I guess I have the floor on that one, unless you are also an educated economist. Doesn’t that put the journalist vs non-journalist argument into perpsective? Obama’s stimulus proposals are much more likely than not going to prolong the coming economic pain, as did FDR’s stimuli, and the Democrats’ public policy tinkering on the housing crisis had more to do with the problems we face today than the Republicans, who also share a much less slice of the blame.
jOE the pro-Jew Plumber from Ohio should be balanced with
aHMED the pro-palestinian cabbie who is sent to Gaza showing how while Joe is ducking inaccurate rockets Ahmed is getting sprayed by phospherus and Uzi rounds.
Common Joes in Isreal got it alot easier right now than common Ahmeds in Gaza
“AreYouKidding:
Joe the plumber is an uneducated, opportunistic idiot. Guess that makes me sound elitist. But hey, like some other posters have said, if the Republicans want to be the party that celebrates people whose grandiose view of themselves outperforms any real knowledge or experience, ….”
You just described Obambi!!!
fourteen minutes and fifty seconds, joe. tick tock. tick tock.
Louie – do a little more research and you’ll find that FDR’s mistake was listening to conversatives and scaling down his programs too early. The consesus among economists (left and right)is that this nation needs a program of Goverment spending at least as great as Obama promises. Of course, if we had listened to the other free market economists, we would have put most of our Social Security money in the stock market. Think of where we would be then? Do a little more research about Fannie and Freddie and the subprime housing market; they are not as much to blame as the non-governemtnally funded entities.
Perhaps, Joe is not a journalist, but I am sick of the current crop of mainstream puppets. I’ve all but stopped paying attention to the talking heads on televison. Same old crap fed to them by a worthless “news” agency to which they subscribe. Joe, give us your commentary and interviews. We will sort it out and decide if it is worth our time.
“Imagine the reverse of Joe’s story (assuming Joe were a licensed plumber): I need someone to do all the plumbing on a my new home under construction. Who should I hire? The licensed, highly-trained plumber with years of experience or my brother the English-lit major and school teacher and his “How-to” book from Home Depot?”
I would much rather get my reporting from Joe than have my plumbing done by any reporter, anywhere. That’s the point. Journalism can be done by anybody who has eyeballs that work and can string a few sentences together. Plumbing takes actual skill, and if the plumber messes up you have big problems. Not so much with the journalism, because other people have eyes too and are reporting the same thing…and some of them are even telling the truth.
And yes, the nom de blog is just that…I’m not a plumber. But I respect a good one more than the average CNN reporter…though they do tend to deal in the same material. It’s just that journalists tend to fill our space up with it, while plumbers tend to help clear it away.
It takes focused effort to read detailed analysis of history and politics. We don’t get that in blogs, or in these comments.
I LOVE it. Joe is demonstrating how one doesn’t need a journalistic pedigree to outperform Katie Couric, Matt Lauer, and the rest of those snobs. Go get ‘em Joe!
Why NOT Joe the Plumber? Most “journalists” could be replaced by an average barrista at Starbucks and nobody would know the difference.
Journalism majors have among the lowest GPA’s and lowest SAT scores in universities, just above Theater, Education, and Home Economics.
When citing statistics, MSM journalists STILL can’t figure out the difference between absolute and relative measures and when it is appropriate to use each. They STILL haven’t figured out the difference between nominal and real prices when comparing dollar values over a lengthy time period.
The bottom line is that they want to create dramatic headlines, almost all of which support their left-wing agenda. “Truth” is not on their top ten list of values.
I never thought that Joe the Plumber was “all that and a bag of donuts.” His novelty faded within days and every use of his name by McCain after that was a step closer to failure.
But I take great delight in this cigarette into the eye of the MSM! Joe is reporting the plain TRUTH and he doesn’t have one of their “union” cards.
To the poseur pretending to be John McCain above: please learn how to spell before you call anyone else a “Jacka$$.”
As a Republican, I cringe every time I even hear the names Palin and ‘JtP’. These two are the biggest reasons we lost the election and will continue to lose them in the future. Those, and of course the fact that Grandpa went freakin crazy ’bout 35 years ago while he was paying the future bill for his government health insurance. Anyhow, keep throwing Joe and Sarah at the viewers and voters and driving the REAL conservatives further away while the left is busy running the country. Congrats morons, you wrecked the right and continue to alienate true conservatives who value truth and honesty and smart people.
Joe the plumber is an uneducated, opportunistic idiot. Guess that makes me sound elitist.”
Why yes. Yes, it does.
But then, that’s what happens when you overvalue “education” and undervalue other qualities that may be more helpful to a journalist. Things like a good work ethic, and inquisitiveness, and openmindedness.
Joe le plumber, maybe it would be good if the Israelis allowed him in as the first designated foreign journalist in Gaza.
Maybe then he would get a better perspective on what it is like to live in fear and with little hope.
Sure Joe is a gimmick. He always was. Let him enjoy his 15 minutes.
This time Israel has effectively controlled the flow of information from the battlfield. A lesson they learned from their Hizbolla enemies in Lebanon. Nothing wrong with that. We all know the dictums that “all war is politics” and “all war is deception”.
Sun Tzu and Von Clausewitz are often quoted for those famous lines, and others, but we forget that most of their efforts and subsequent fame were directed at actual bloody combat and how to achieve victory under those conditions.
Today MSM reports that the director of Shin Bet has told the Israeli cabinet that Hamas leaders are ‘ready to surrender’. At the same time Egyptian mediators have reported “breakthoughs” in their negotiations with Hamas leaders now in Cairo. These messages reinforce each other.
A few well placed anonymous leaks report that Hamas fighters are avoiding direct contact with IDF. They are out of uniform and blending in with the civilians.
They are relying on booby traps and bombs which dont seem to be working very well ( I brought up the Israeli bomb-sniffer dogs on another post). Vauge reports filtering about less than one dozen IDF killed and we know that Israel has admitted to at least 6 of those killed by freindly-fire.
So where are the ‘rivers of jewish blood’?
Where are the muscled and masked fighters we see displayed on MSM at other times?
Where are the brave leaders of the Islamic resistance?
We know where they are. Cowering in basements and hospitals. Hiding. Hoping to survive to fight another day. They now know they have taken on a war they initiated but were not prepared for.
In response IDF is doubling their stake. Best frontline troops, including all intelligence, PR, snipers, spotters, and (my own favorite secret weapon) bomb-sniffer dogs, have been sent up front with thousands of reserves holding their positions behind them.
Hamas is ovewhelmed. They cannot stop the methodical steely-eyed force against them taking one block at a time.
Hamas is now in near total collapse.
The message is clear now – no more rockets. Zero – or you get this again.
If Joe the Plumber can say this one more time that is good. Too many lives lost when your cause is over. Time now for Hamas to make a deal in Cairo. I think they will find this is in the best interest of themselves and the long suffering people of Gaza.
Palestinians need their own state run by an effective government. That is achievable. I belive that because I cannot belive the alternative.
Peace out,
Spindok
#5 would have us believe he’s concerned with honesty and integrity, if his obsessive comments on other threads here are read.
Revealing the truth is precisely what draws others of us to Joe.
He managed to get the Practiced Prevaricator to actually tell the truth for once. It was the biggest stumble of the campaign. And one he’d hoped to bury fast. And permanently. How humiliating for the Ivy-educated One — in an exchange of *words*, he was taken down by a plumber, of all people!
Now there are other lies that must be exposed. Lies that have caused the deaths of far too many for far too long. Joe deserves this chance to reveal the real evil.
And of the three men mentioned in #24′s comment, Joe runs circles around the other two when it comes to honesty and integrity. That should matter to #5 if he’d be honest with us.
Charlie: I’ve heard him described as “Joe the Journalist”, but yes I guess PJ and AP described him as a “correspondent”.
Oh I just love how the left-wing liars are writhing and cringing at the thought of the real truth getting out there. It’s like holy water being thrown on a demon.
Paul – Indianapolis:
I get it, you think Obama is full of himself. Unlike the humble George W. Bush who rose to power because of his great knowledge, insight, and accomplishment. George’s only real experience prior to being president was having Daddy and his friends and their money help him get a new job every time he screwed up the last one.
RE: elitism. Just remember when you talk of places like Harvard and Yale, you’re also including George W. Bush.
There are smart conversatives and dumb conservatives, and war reporting is actually hard work. It takes smarts, ambition, the ability to analyze and synthesize disparate bits of information, to sift the wheat from the chaff, propaganda and spin from actual data. It takes interviewing skills. It takes immersion in the background and history of a region and of a given conflict. Don’t confuse anchors with reporters (and their researchers, producers and fixers) who actually work in or near a war zone.
“Joe The Plumber” adds little to our knowledge; he does appease those who have a know-nothing anti-intellectual knee-jerk approach to current events. He will thus be very successful.
I salute Joe and those who recognize his intelligence. Just because he is poorer than some of you who are blogging with hurtful words doesn’t mean that he is not smarter. In fact those who blogged here with unkind words should be looking at the mirror and saying those stupid words back to their faces. I saw how Joe can talk in a more coherent and intelligent way because he is speaking in terms of the truth not fancy I-graduate-from Harvard talk. What comes out of his mouth is true to most people because he speaks plainly and honestly. That’s how journalism should be in the first place. He may not have finished school but you can just tell that this guy is smart, credible, hardworking and most of all has integrity which is sorely lacking in the kind of journalism (if you can call it that) that has infested the media now.
It’s the authenticity, stupid
I belive he is ready to run Alaska.
the next thing will be the nuts here suggesting Joe take on Neurosurgery. I can’t wait for the next nutty assignment
“But hey, like some other posters have said, if the Republicans want to be the party that celebrates people whose grandiose view of themselves outperforms any real knowledge or experience…”
“The only reason you like his ‘coverage’ of the gaza conflict is because he’s guaranteed to tell you what you want to hear…”
Has anyone ever noticed how the Democrats inevitably do everything they accuse the Republicans of being about to do?
He said:
“When Someone Hits Me, I’m Going To Unload On The Boy”
Very productive statement Joe… Doesn’t anybody understand that this logic is the logic of Hamas?
re: 72. Robert Hurley:
If you’re so anxious, contact Joe and volunteer to be a training aid in this neurosurgery class.
Joe the Plumber? How about Joe the Fraud?
Joe broke the first rule of journalism and became the story, rather than reporting it. What a right wing tool.
I wondered what kind of news outlet would choose this dim, ignorant clown as a ‘journalist’. After reading the comments on this site, it’s clear that he is the perfect choice: a journalist who thinks “journalists should be abolished” for a readership that revels in their ignorance. Enjoy being a punchline for the foreseeable future!
Do you realize how much credibility your website has lost by sponsoring Joe the Plumber? Unbelievable.
Joe has the right to pursue his happiness. Why do so many Americans have a problem with that?
49. RP wrote:
Don’t forget George Bush’s role in pushing for democratic elections, elections which elected Hamas.
Peter responds: Both Hamas in Gaza and Obama in the US got elected using the Ice Cream method. It goes something like this…
All About Ice Cream
by Dave
(Phoenix)
It’s all about the Ice Cream …..
The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade in 2000. The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest.
I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.
To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members.
We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.
The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia’s mother.
The day arrived when they were to make their speeches Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Everyone applauded.
He sat down and Olivia came to the podium. Her speech was concise. She said, “If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream.” She sat down.
The class went wild … “Yes! Yes! We want ice cream.”
She surely would say more. She did not have to. A discussion followed.
How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn’t sure. Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it? She didn’t know.
The class really didn’t care. All they were thinking about was ice cream. Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a land slide.
Every time Barack Obama opens his mouth he offers ice cream, and fifty percent of America reacts like nine-year-olds. They want ice cream.
The other fifty percent know they’re going to have to feed the cow.
GOD BLESS YOU JOE THE PLUMBER !!! Most likely there are some who will resent the blessing of Joe, but to me he is a true American success story, a story that can only happen in America. In show business and politics you learn quickly everybody has an opinion, and like armpits and rectums, quite often many of them stink, only thing worse is that they don’t talk about you at all. … One more time, GOD BLESS JOE THE PLUMBER !!!!
51. sean in newport beach (who evidently doesn’t know how to use a shift key)wrote:
jOE the pro-Jew Plumber from Ohio should be balanced with
aHMED the pro-palestinian cabbie
Peter responds: Ahmed the Pro-Palestinian Cabbie is already in Gaza. He’s called the Main Stream Media, CNN, BCC or whatever alphabet name you want to use.
Face it, Joe is the new balance.
We need an entire new press corps, and this is the first cut.
A lot of our commenters really need to read the article. Sam did state that he wasn’t there to be the story, but to report on what was going on. His contempt for the MSM is at least honest, and he is asking questions which many have wondered. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable is of no interest to me personally. I’m jsut wondering what kind of answers he’s get from the locals.
Really, all that he’s doing is running a internet version of a Vox Pop segement for PJTV, which typically is rough and opinionated anyway.
So he didn’t go to journalism school. Frankly, so what? I went to University for a Criminal Justice and ended up doing IT and Loans work. Was I formally trained in either? No, most of what I picked up was through Osmosis and I’m pretty happy with what I am doing.
And given what the MSM and leftist foaming-at-the-mouth prats did to his private life, I consider this Karma is the best way possible for Sam. And the worst for the cretins populating our J-schools and media outlets.
They are not needed. This is something that can be learned on-hands. It’s the way the republic’s media started. Time for back to basics.
Welcome to the New World (Dis)order
Ihttp://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32423_New_York_Times_Claims_Credit_for_LGF_Story
Sure is a lot of jealousy emanating from many losers posting to this thread; Get a job; Get a life.
62. Pete wrote:
Maybe then he would get a better perspective on what it is like to live in fear and with little hope.
Peter replies: You mean like the Israelis, living in fear of rockets landing on their homes and schools at any given time of day or night, for the last three years?
“Joe”/”Sam” the “Plumber”-slash-”Correspondent” or whatever you want to call him is the EPITOME of the barely literate, out of touch, middle-American moron that scares the rest of us in the world. THANKS PAJAMA MEDIA for sending this guy abroad as a representative of the US!
My, what a bunch of AzzHo Obots have scrambled over to PJ to dump their bitterness of JTP. Why? Because JTP, US Citizen, Registered Voter had the nerve, when asked, to ask one of the few direct questions of the candidate for the Presidency of his country. The OBots are nothing less than Liberal Fascist, just like the Ohio bureaucrats that criminally accessed JTP’s public records. These BCrats are just like the Obots they have become completely unhinged. Someone get the RAID.
68. RP wrote:
“Joe The Plumber” adds little to our knowledge; he does appease those who have a know-nothing anti-intellectual knee-jerk approach to current events. He will thus be very successful.
Peter responds: But I thought the lefty liberals (who have a know-nothing anti-intellectual knee-jerk approach to current events) DID NOT like Joe?
“But then, that’s what happens when you overvalue “education” and undervalue other qualities that may be more helpful to a journalist. Things like a good work ethic, and inquisitiveness, and openmindedness.”
Those qualities are amongst those necessary to obtain a good education. They are certainly not mutually exclusive.
76. James Karlin wrote:
Joe the Plumber? How about Joe the Fraud?
Peter asks: Please explain James? How has Joe been fraudulent? Cite specific examples, backed up by proof.
77. Mark Herr wrote:
Joe broke the first rule of journalism and became the story, rather than reporting it. What a right wing tool.
Peter responds: Just because all YOU are concerned with is Jow, Mark, doesn’t mean Joe broke any rules of journalism. Maybe if you listen to the reports instead of concentrating on the reporter you might open your eyes to reality.
Who cares what he “thinks?” please?
I appreciate Joe the Plumber because he serves to remind us –in the absence of George W Bush– that a significant portion of the United States is retarded.
Joe you are a total idiot. Why don’t they send you into Gaza…please o please! What could you possibly know about anything?! You’re a retarded gorilla with cheese stains on your idiotic face and i hate your mumbling nonsense of how the Israeli media is not being ‘patriotic’ enough. I find you a truly feeble individual. Your opinion on anything means quite literally nothing. Pajama Media? what kind of awful news outlet is this?
78. heckuva job Joey wrote:
a journalist who thinks “journalists should be abolished” for a readership that revels in their ignorance. Enjoy being a punchline for the foreseeable future!
Peter responds: Once again, all together everyone… “Joe is not a journalest. He is a correspondant.”
79. Greg Doyle wrote:
Do you realize how much credibility your website has lost by sponsoring Joe the Plumber? Unbelievable.
Peter replies: Like it matters to Pajamas if YOU of all people think they have credibility?
Unbelievable.
RP: Wrong! FDR was elected in 1932, took office in 1933 and never took us out of the depression. Dow values did not get back to 1929 levels until 1954. Moreover, just recently a letter was sent to OBbama signed by hundreds of economists, including five Noble winners, taking issue with his stimulus plan.
October 13, 2008
Hundreds of Economists Sign Letter Opposing Obama’s Tax Plan
Hundreds of economists (including Nobel Prize winners Gary Becker, James Buchanan, Robert Mundell, Edward Prescott, and Vernon Smith) have signed letters opposing Barack Obama’s economic and tax plans (here, here, and here):
We are equally concerned with his proposals to increase tax rates on labor income and investment. His dividend and capital gains tax increases would reduce investment and cut into the savings of millions of Americans. His proposals to increase income and payroll tax rates would discourage the formation and expansion of small businesses and reduce employment and take-home pay, as would his mandates on firms to provide expensive health insurance.
After hearing such economic criticism of his proposals, Barack Obama has apparently suggested to some people that he might postpone his tax increases, perhaps to 2010. But it is a mistake to think that postponing such tax increases would prevent their harmful effect on the economy today. The prospect of such tax rate increases in 2010 is already a drag on the economy. Businesses considering whether to hire workers today and expand their operations have time horizons longer than a year or two, so the prospect of higher taxes starting in 2009 or 2010 reduces hiring and investment in 2008.
(Hat Tip: Greg Mankiw.)
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/10/hundres-of-econ.html
“gatewaypunditdotblogspotdotcom” has posted a video today from Oslo that shows what Hamas and those who support them do with regularity: protect themselves with their women and children.
Our president-elect has an opportunity to prove himself to be the miracle worker he thinks he is — he should see to it we never witness such vile abuse of children in our country.
What hides undercover, though, is even more horrific. That evil will take more than the persuasive charisma of a community organizer.
Nobody is complaining about Joe “the unlicensed plumber’s” experience, but rather his lack of intelligence and understanding. My grandfather was a hard working mechanic for over 40 years, but I wouldn’t want him trying to be a journalist (nor would he–since he understands reality). This guy’s credentials are that he spoke with Obama on the campaign trail and John McCain used his comments in a debate (a failing attempt at that).
The only thing more irresponsible than this guy trying to use that moment as a platform to become a politician and reporter is the fact that your media outlet would allow him to do so. Then again, with a name like “pajamasmedia”, you guys clearly don’t take yourselves seriously.
89. gorgonzatron wrote:
“Joe”/”Sam” the “Plumber”-slash-”Correspondent” or whatever you want to call him is the EPITOME of the barely literate, out of touch, middle-American moron that scares the rest of us in the world. THANKS PAJAMA MEDIA for sending this guy abroad as a representative of the US!
Peter writes: Note how the lefty liberals all have to lower themselves (is that possible) to attacks on Joe’s intellect, because there is nothing they can say about the job he is performing.
Hey, gorgon, how about we arrange a public debate between you and Joe when he returns from the middle east and see who is really the “barely literate, out of touch, middle-American moron that scares the rest of us”? How about it?
95. Bill wrote:
Who cares what he “thinks?” please?
Peter writes: Evidently thousands of Americans. Perhaps more.
If you don’t care what Joe thinks, then I respectfully request you not listen to or watch him, there is no law requiring you to watch, and then please keep off the thread. You obviously have nothing relevent to add.
96. bakum wrote:
I appreciate Joe the Plumber because he serves to remind us –in the absence of George W Bush– that a significant portion of the United States is retarded.
Peter responds: Note that bakum said a SIGNIFICANT portion. Like the 52% that voted for Obama perhaps?
97. kelsey wrote:
Pajama Media? what kind of awful news outlet is this?
Peter responds: No one is forcing you to watch/read it.
You’ve got to be f*#@!ng kidding me! This is what the republicans have come to. Mediocraty, idiocy, retardedness. Palin, Joe to loser. Unbelievable. Bush wasn’t stupid enough for the party?
Having “Joe the Plumber” in Israel is not helping Israel’s case in the least. In fact, it makes Israel’s case much less forceful than it could have been had you found someone a little more intelligent. It’s a bit like Soviet propaganda. One of the reasons Soviet propaganda failed was because propaganda only works when it is done in a subtle manner. You need smart people if you want to change public opinion (and this is the case whether you are on the right or left).
For example, instead of Joe the Plumber, get a well-established knowledgeable centrist from the US like Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana. Have him visit both the Israelis AND the Arabs living in Gaza. Then, if he concludes in the end that despite the killing of children in Gaza etc., it is ultimately worth it because the missiles falling on Israeli children etc. are even more devastating, then I think you could convince many Americans who are on the fence (and there are a lot of us out here who are very skeptical of BOTH Israeli governmental actions and Hamas actions), that we need to support Israel and not support Palestinians.
WELL MY DAD WAS A JANITOR IN AN ADULT VIDEO SHOP FOR 50 YEARS BUT HE DANG SURE NEW MORE ABOUT THE ISRAEL THAN ANY BODY LIBERAL ON THIS SIGHT. YOU DO’NT NEED TO GO TO COLLEGE TO KNOW HISTORY JUST GO ASK ANY ISRAELI THE’YLL TELL YOU ALL ABOTU IT! AND THIS IS JUST WHAT JOE “THE PLUMBER” IS DOING, HE IS GOING STRAIGHT TO THE SOURCE. ISRAEL HAS EXISTED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND THE PALESTINAISNS NEED TO GET OVER IT!!!
Let’s just see what our inrepid reporter thinks about his new line of work…
“I think media should be abolished from, uh, you know, reporting.”
Not just ignorance, but willful ignorance! An epistemic black hole, not unlike this site.
Pure entertainment.
“…might soon be counted as a peer.” WTF ?! ROTFLMAO here !!
“I think media should be abolished from, uh, you know, reporting.” Joe the Idiot I’d say that kinda ‘thinking’ (snark) is going to amke for a pretty short career arc for a newbie war correspondent. wow…
The same delusionals that bought into Palin-McShame and Joe the Idiot are NOW lovers of Joe the (non) War Correspondent? Wow…
Here’s some of the Loon’s ‘reporting’:
“I’ll be honest with you. I don’t think journalists should be anywhere allowed war. I mean, you guys report where our troops are at. You report what’s happening day to day. You make a big deal out of it. I-I think it’s asinine. You know, I liked back in World War I and World War II when you’d go to the theater and you’d see your troops on, you know, the screen and everyone would be real excited and happy for’em. Now everyone’s got an opinion and wants to downer–and down soldiers. You know, American soldiers or Israeli soldiers. I think media should be abolished from, uh, you know, reporting. You know, war is hell. And if you’re gonna sit there and say, ‘Well look at this atrocity,’ well you don’t know the whole story behind it half the time, so I think the media should have no business in it.”
I’m not sure, what’s worse, the dimwits that embrace this idiot or the calculating PJ Media whores running this web ad scam, suckers or blood suckers? It’s a tie.
My name is James Kenneth. I have been called Kenny or Ken all my life. I worked as an aircraft mechanic or supervisor for 26 years before I got my FAA A&P license. What was I all those years? A ghost? These negative views of JTP are not based on facts. Wait until he has done something wrong to condemn him.
OMG. Somebody peed in the obots’ cornflakes, and his name is Joe. I haven’s seen the ‘bots this riled up since Sarah Palin had the audacity to exist.
Joe should fix a toilet while he’s there.
107. Arrgy wrote:
You’ve got to be f*#@!ng kidding me! This is what the republicans have come to. Mediocraty, idiocy, retardedness. Palin, Joe to loser. Unbelievable. Bush wasn’t stupid enough for the party?
Peter writes: What does ANY of that have to do with Joe being a correspondent over in Israel.
A prime example of over the top BDS.
110. Painless wrote:
Not just ignorance, but willful ignorance! An epistemic black hole, not unlike this site.
Peter responds: No one forcing you to stay here.
Peter the Sub Guy: The real Ice Cream was Bush promising lower taxes and then asking us to spend a few hundred billion on a war we didn’t need to fight, to be paid for not by wartime taxes, but by our children. Classic bait and switch. He also promised competence and not cronyism….
@Peter the Sub Guy:
I mean the portion of the population that thinks JTP is anything but propganda. “I am angry,” he said, “and this is why I came here.” I mean, isn’t that exactly what the situation needs? More anger? More ignorance? More incompetence? God forbid someone around here put a call out for clear-eyed, informed rationalism.
My favorite JTP-in_Sderot gem is him saying he wants to assist in getting out the Israeli side of the story. Newsflash: there are no reporters allowed in Gaza. What side of the story is there besides the Israeli side?
Joe says the media should be banned from war zones. Not only do I agree, I believe the media should be banned from everywhere and we should only get our news from official governmental sources.
I just read that Joe the plummer is GAY !!!!
Louie: aniother view — “Now, there’s a whole intellectual industry, mainly operating out of right-wing think tanks, devoted to propagating the idea that F.D.R. actually made the Depression worse. So it’s important to know that most of what you hear along those lines is based on deliberate misrepresentation of the facts. The New Deal brought real relief to most Americans.
That said, F.D.R. did not, in fact, manage to engineer a full economic recovery during his first two terms. This failure is often cited as evidence against Keynesian economics, which says that increased public spending can get a stalled economy moving. But the definitive study of fiscal policy in the ’30s, by the M.I.T. economist E. Cary Brown, reached a very different conclusion: fiscal stimulus was unsuccessful “not because it does not work, but because it was not tried.”
This may seem hard to believe. The New Deal famously placed millions of Americans on the public payroll via the Works Progress Administration and the Civilian Conservation Corps. To this day we drive on W.P.A.-built roads and send our children to W.P.A.-built schools. Didn’t all these public works amount to a major fiscal stimulus?
Well, it wasn’t as major as you might think. The effects of federal public works spending were largely offset by other factors, notably a large tax increase, enacted by Herbert Hoover, whose full effects weren’t felt until his successor took office. Also, expansionary policy at the federal level was undercut by spending cuts and tax increases at the state and local level.
And F.D.R. wasn’t just reluctant to pursue an all-out fiscal expansion — he was eager to return to conservative budget principles. That eagerness almost destroyed his legacy. After winning a smashing election victory in 1936, the Roosevelt administration cut spending and raised taxes, precipitating an economic relapse that drove the unemployment rate back into double digits and led to a major defeat in the 1938 midterm elections.
What saved the economy, and the New Deal, was the enormous public works project known as World War II, which finally provided a fiscal stimulus adequate to the economy’s needs.” – P.K., NY Times
Just in case anyone is interested….When you call a plumber to do work at your house, you have a VERY good chance that they guy IS NOT licensed. The guy with the license usually doesn’t get their hands dirty.
Second, just because he isn’t licensed doesn’t mean he hasn’t put in his time or gotten the education in this trade. Just means he hasn’t taken the final exam.
Third, for those that don’t think plumbing is a “real” career. Some make more than a journalist!:) And next time your plumbing screws up, good luck trying to fix it by yourself! Oh, thats right, plumbing ISN’T something that just anyone can do. unlike journalism.
JOE= (J).oker (o).f (E).ducation, he has a piss-poor one, so he’ll get a good job at F(ull) o(f) X(enophobes FOX TV.
Journalists wouldn’t know how to report the news without slanting it to their way of thinking. I like the idea of Joe the Plumber reporting the news and now we might actually get two sides to the story, not just one. Maybe today’s journalists can learn something from him. He’s an ordinary American, just like a lot of us, who is hard working and trying to support his family without his money being stolen by the tax hungry government.
Reading all the libtard comments, it Just goes to show that “..,we hate that which we often fear’. Go Joe!
Who let Joe the Idiot out of his village? Aren’t his 15 minutes of fame up yet? Good lord, if this is what journalism has come to, it’s time to turn off the news. Cripes!
You have to wonder who is impressed by this even assuming they’ve heard about it. Democrats, unlikely surely. Independants and moderate conservative, eyerolling. The conservative base, give us more. It’s a stunning commentary on the mindset of conservatives to turn a huge blood drenched tragedy whoever’s side you are on into some sort of silly schoolyard stunt because that’s what it is. This guy is a barely literate campaign stooge who was used and turned into a national joke in the process. All it’s doing is identifying conservatism and Republicans with mind blowing stupidity and mediocrity. I’m hoping Matthews or someone doesn’t pick up this and broadcast it to a wider audience because it will only serve to reinforce the impression as did other stupidities like the magic negro or Palin’s latest interview that conservatives have lost their minds.
RE: 106 PETER THE SUB/DOM GUY
ANYTIME! I come from the slums of New York City, served in the Special Forces of the US Military and the NYPD, put myself through college, own/operate two businesses, a non-profit organization, and sit on the Board of half-dozen community orgs.
I am NOT a “Leftist Elite” like so many morons like to label — I am actually a “blue collar conservative” through and through who took the time to EDUCATE myself.
I will go toe to toe with any man, intellectually or physically, and have on many more occasions than you and “Joe” put together. Unfortunately, it is always the weaker of the species who resort to confrontation — basically because they have nothing else to fall back on.
118. bakum wrote:
Newsflash: there are no reporters allowed in Gaza. What side of the story is there besides the Israeli side?
Peter responds: Really? No reporters what so ever? So then you are ADMITTING that the infamous faked-CPR scene HAD TO BE FAKE because there are NO REPORTERS (your words) to have gotten that story out of Gaza!
Explain THAT!
Peter the Sub Guy: Israel will not allow reporters into Gaza from Israel. There are reporters already in Gaza reporting and broadcasting, but their work is generally seen only on Arab-language networks. So most people in the U.S. only get what reporters on the Israeli side of the border can report, most of it coming from the IDF itself or from Israeli govenment sources. You clearly understand that this was the meaning of the poster you referred to. Why so juvenile?
128. gorgonzatron:
Unfortunately, it is always the weaker of the species who resort to confrontation — basically because they have nothing else to fall back on.
Peter responds: As evident by this response, because all I mentioned was a debate. Mr ‘Special Forces, NYPD I grew up in a helll hole’ gorgon was the first to mention anyhting physical.
And just so you know, I lived in NYC for 27 years, joined the military and served in an elite service, so don’t be getting all high and mighty on me, mister gorgo.
If this is the best that the Conservative “news” can do, then I can see why they lost the election. If you notice, real “Conservatives” do not like this guy and Sarah Palin. He is not a journalist, he is far from it. He did not even know what questions to ask. He made the comment that reporters should be abolished from reporting on the war. He even made the comment about the way “news” was presented during WWI and WWII. Truth of the matter is, it was more in the format of propaganda. We as Americans (and people around the world) have a right to know what is going on with our tax dollars in this war. He had the idiotic nerve to say that we are putting down our troops. I have the utmost respect for the brave and valiant men and women that are serving our country in not one, but two simultaneous wars. People are calling for our troops to be brought home from what is considered an unjust war. If the guy would actually pick a paper or go online (wow, what a concept) and actually see that while the vast majority of Americans support the troops, they just want to see them brought home. Maybe if he actually could think for himself instead of being told what to think, he would realize this.
You did a great job Joe.
Call me when my company gets funded…
Joe the Plumber? Are you guys serious? What a joke. Conservatives are really reaching.
Why don’t you go to Gaza, Mr. Plumber, if you really want to see war victims. That’s where the fighting is, as any reasonable non-Zionist can clearly see.
I understand there are people who can’t stand when the media provides both sides of the story but choosing Joe the unlincensed plumber to do a one-way bias report is not the way to go.
“Pajamas TV is turning Joe the Plumber into a journalist, and the media class doesn’t like it one bit.” – really? I wonder why? Maybe it is because to be a journalist – A REAL ONE THAT IS- you have to go to journalism school, where your taught all sorts of things – one of which is when reporting on any subject it is important to maintain objectivity – you know – not be biased? – so maybe “Joe” should actually go into Gaza and report on the Gaza- Israel conflict, because it isn’t just the Israel conflict – but then that would mean actually maybe coming under fire and “Joe” doesn’t want to come under fire even if he does believe his god will protect him as a christian. “Joe” may learn that being a christian in that part of the world doesn’t mean squat.
Nother important aspect of being a journalist (a good one that is) is to be smart and know your history. See if “Joe” was smart – and he isn’t, he’s proved that many times over- and if he knew his history – which he doesn’t, that is painfully obvious- then “Joe” maybe would have thought twice before saying the following “You know, I liked back in World War I and World War II when you’d go to the theater and you’d see your troops on, you know, the screen and everyone would be real excited and happy for’em.”
(You won’t see that quote here because the higher ups at Pajamas media don’t want to broadcast what an idiot their newest star is) In this quote, “Joe” shows us that in World War I and II the images from the battlefield were magically transported from the battle to the theater in your home town. Cool huh? There were no journalists, the images just magically appeared! Maybe it was “Joe’s” god that moved the images or maybe it was the lucky charms dude before he got his regular gig.
Either way this much is clear:
I am glad my parents did not name me “Joe”
“Joe” is not and will never be a Journalist in the true definition.
“Joe” is the worst type of stupid idiot. He is the unintelligent one, who thinks he is truly intelligent.
Journalists reporting from the front lines made those images possible in theaters for “Joe” to comment on – even though he wasn’t actually there to watch them.
This is the first and last time I will devote more than a twitter-sized sentence to this subject.
133. Wreckin Crew wrote:
That’s where the fighting is, as any reasonable non-Zionist can clearly see.
Peter responds: You mean pro-terrorist, don’t you?
RP: I appreciate your try here, but your argument is convoluted. If the argument is that Keynesianism worked for FDR getting us out of the Great Depression, then your evidence as presented mitigates that conclusion:
In your own words:
“But the definitive study of fiscal policy in the ’30s, by the M.I.T. economist E. Cary Brown, reached a very different conclusion: fiscal stimulus was unsuccessful ‘not because it does not work, but because it was not tried.’”
Yes, I agree, fiscal stimulus did not seem to work as intended. And as I already pointed out, the Dow (which is a sort of accounting measure of our economy in the long run) did not reach the heights gained just before the 1929 crash until 1954.
yochanan: Don’t beat up on lattes, I drink several daily. harsh reality just sounds like a Democrat
130. RP wrote:
Israel will not allow reporters into Gaza from Israel.
Peter responds: Then again, I ask, how did the fake footage reach the world? Answer that ONE SIMPLE QUESTION!
Either there are reports there, or there are not, which you claim.
I know it’s fun to say and makes everyone here feel warm and fuzzy, but what evidence actually exists that Joe the Plumber is scaring anybody in the Establishment Media?
What are the qualifications to be a republican? The answer is to be close-minded, a racist, extremely unintelligent, and have the urge to destroy the world.
130. RP wrote:
There are reporters already in Gaza reporting and broadcasting, but their work is generally seen only on Arab-language networks. So most people in the U.S. only get what reporters on the Israeli side…
Peter again responds: Really? Then why is everything I hear (except on independant web sites, definitely not the MSM) calling Hamas the victim and Israel the aggressor? Sounds like the US is getting way too much info from the Arab-language networks.
…All of it propoganda.
WOW so much fury about a guy and a camera! One would think that the Emperor is naked and nobody noticed until now.
Yep, sending Joe (I will use his nick-name, I like it when people use mine) is a media-stunt. If the MSM was not threatened by this it would feel the need to react so violently.
A big dog doesn’t growl and bark at every passerby, everybody knows that it can get the job done if it needs to protect the homestead. The little dog is the one making the noise, trying to convince people that it really can do the job when the time comes.
MSM and it’s dupes haven’t caught on to the fact that their credibility is shot. Too many failures of fact, too many opinions, too many outright lies for any thinking person to count on as a source of information. Except as a window into the thinking of the Coastal Grandees the MSM (dead-tree and television) borders on useless.
BTW, what IS a journalist? Other than proof of parting with so many dollars and hours of time what is a degree in journalism? Why then are the MSM to be considered demi-gods when Sarah Palin is to be excoriated?
The reporting out of Iraq and Lebanon is the past few years has shown they don’t know anything about checking sources, military affairs of any sort, field work (Green Zone Babies – lattes at noon and AQ stringers doing the work) or the much touted “perspective”.
Nonsense. He doesn’t scare anyone – a sullen, dour imbecile who thinks Sarah Palin would be a great President. God!
WHEN THERE’S NO MORE MONEY FOR YOUR COMPANY TO SPEND ON GOOD REPORTING – REMEMBER HOW MUCH YOU SPENT TO SEND A PLUMER TO GAZA !!!!!
HIS SHELF LIFE HAS EXPIRED !!!!
GET IT?
Joe the Plumber!
Sarah Palin!
Rush Limbaugh!
Dick Cheney!
Karl Rove!
Ann Coulter!
/Just trying to blow some obot fuses…
Anton- why don’t you provide examples of the MSM reacting so ‘violently’ to Joe’s presence?
Are you kidding? To paraphrase this atavistic Hemingway on war, ‘you have to take a quick shower..I know I would..you can’t plan a picnic.’ This is it? This is the insight that PajamaMedia wants?
As a retired navy man who just witnessed the commissioning of the GHW Bush, CVN-77 in Norfolk and also a veteran of a foreign war, this guy makes me want to PUKE. This chickens&&t chicken hawk non military serving yet self serving punk is pimping off the misery in this conflict to better promote his own celebrity.
He needs the s%$t kicked out of him.
Why is Joe the plumber asking this og president Elect Obama instead of president Bush.president Bush is still our president and he has the say so on anything that is done till the 20th of Jan.Does this Man not even know this much?
“Peter responds: Then again, I ask, how did the fake footage reach the world? Answer that ONE SIMPLE QUESTION!
Either there are reports there, or there are not, which you claim.”
O.K., I give up. You are correct. Absolutely correct. You have a keen understanding of the situation vis-a-vis press access to Gaza…and how satellites work.
And you are only concered with the “fake footage” as opposed to the hundreds of real children being killed, maimed and burned. Oh, that’s right, they are “human shields.” Well, tune back in after the Israeli/U.N. investigations. People huddled in a U.N. school they were told to go to by the IDF are not human shields. Go ahead, google it.
I give up. You probably think that the U.S. is still going to find all that WMD in Iraq, even though after they invaded, they did not even bother to secure the nuclear and chemical sites, and allowed them to be looted by the populace….
143. subreen wrote:
What are the qualifications to be a republican? The answer is to be close-minded, a racist, extremely unintelligent, and have the urge to destroy the world.
Peter responds: No, that would make them looney, lefty Democrats.
147. Dolmance wrote:
Nonsense. He doesn’t scare anyone – a sullen, dour imbecile who thinks Sarah Palin would be a great President. God!
Peter responds: This coming from someone who probably thought Hillary was the second coming.
And I would be willing to put Joe up against Dan ‘Fake but Accurate’ Rather any day.
Was I really just compared with Joe the Plumber?
*rolls over in grave*
“I know it’s fun to say and makes everyone here feel warm and fuzzy, but what evidence actually exists that Joe the Plumber is scaring anybody in the Establishment Media?”
he’s not scaring anyone – that’s just PJM trying to hype up the idiot they’ve unleashed on the world – did you see the quotes from his first report – it’s like he’s the retarded daughter of Sarah Palin! This is from HuffPo:
“The people of Sderot “can’t do normal things day to day” like get soap in their eyes in the shower, for fear of rockets, said America’s most famous plumber, whose real name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher.
“I’m sure they’re taking quick showers,” he said. “I know I would.”
That’s a conservative version of good news reporting: saying nothing while the powers that be go about their bloody business.
Whatever you may think, people identify with Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin—especially everyday regular folks. Now I can’t say Palin and Wurzelbacher in the same breath— that’s because they each were involved in two totally separate scenarios. Palin was running as McCain’s running mate— Wurzelbacher was just a guy who questioned Obama with a very direct question—he had no political aspirations. One may argue that the GOP used them for what it might have thought would be “tactical benefit”–maybe so, but that’s not the point. So what if Joe is into some self promotion. A news outlet would love to have a person they feel strikes a chord with their readership. Wurzelbacher definitely fits the bill here. The only criticism I might have would be Joe’s possible lack of knowledge concerning military weapons—but I am sure the IDF could inform him what’s what (if he gets to do direct military reporting.) I am sure Christiane Amanpour doesn’t know all that much about weaponry either–but she fits the bill for an elitist audience with her uppity British accent and her exotic South Asian looks—Christiane, I’d love you doing a Birmingham accent instead.
Joe, maybe you might get to fix a toilet or two in Gaza—but what the heck would you be paid with?—tickets to the latest stoning or beheading?
Joe is a younger, hairless, dumbed-down version of Geraldo Rivera. That video clip of him cowering in a bomb shelter wasn’t worth the time it took to download your kludgy media player.
…meaning that they never thought the WMD was really there in the first place (since they never bothered to secure the weapons sites and allowed all this “WMD” to be looted by the locals over several weeks. (That’s where most of the IEDs come from.)
Remember the flack Hans Blix got for saying that the WMD programs had been dismantled?
But I digress.
Joe The Plumber is the best Republican since the White House Plumbers ruled the headlines.
I salute him and PJMedia.
Joe the plumber reporting? Of course it is scary. Way too many people think that can be reporters. Obviously his reports are laughable but I’m afraid that this guy thinks he is great and won’t stop finding a way to embarrass himself and his promoters again.
I just hope he doesn’t think he can be a doctor too.
It’s easier to criticize someone who is trying to do what he believes to be a good thing. I would like to another average joe out there attempt to put himself in harms way for the sake of the truth. You all are cowards and hypocrites. I bet if you were called to a mission like this, as Joe was…they would have to drag you out of your beer drinking stooper on the couch. GET REAL!!! Joe is standing for whats right…and you call yourselves conservatives…PLEEEZZZ!!!!!!!!
Wow! Reading these postings it seems that Joe is accused of just about everything you can imagine. Why someone with the handle “American Glob”even had the audicity to accuse Joe of having “integrity”! Now Joe may possess a bundle of chracteristics, but absolutely, unequivocally and undoubtedly Joe is not in possession of a shred, even so much as a single molecule of integrity.
Absurd. Why not send Sacha Baron-Cohen? He could easily get around Israel and insult the invaders while lobbing grenades at the Hamas folk. Joe the Boob is so far out of his element it isn’t funny. Just a publicity stunt, like Brittany showing her crotch while on her much-publicized wild child tour of drinking holes. Send Joe to Afganistan. Perhaps he can give them indoor plumbing, thereby winning the hearts (and bladders) of the populace.
Why didn’t he take that dame Palin with him? Surely she could scare the s–t out of Jews and Arabs alike–or even have them unite in eliminating her sorry a– from the planet.
Stephan Crane didn’t have his journalism degree? Hate to burst your bubble but a journalism degree was a fairly new option at colleges well after his time. Most journalists of that time didn’t have a degree of any sort (and it doesn’t mean they were good). Also, most journalists,today, have journalism degrees in accordance with another degree (or had it as a minor). What Stephan had was an understanding of world affairs, intelligence and plenty of talent to observe and report a story.
So far, I haven’t seen much, if any, from Joe the Plumber to even be put in the same league as Stephan Crane. This is a desperate stab at putting somebody on a pedestal that has no business being there anyway. My advice to you, Mr. Owen: Find a new “hero” to follow…as well as better analogy.
Cyber geezer – Since you belive in joe so much, I think I will defer to you
Let’s all keep this in mind the next time someone at PJM bleats about how “celebrity worship” and is the exclusive province of brain-dead liberals. As if!
Why choose Joe the Plumber over some other random shmuck from Ashland or Ashtabula? Why makes him so uniquely qualified to convey Israel’s POV to a US audience? It’s a cute idea, but as mentioned above, election-year celebrities like Joe tend to have limited shelf lives, and attempts to extend them beyond the standard 15 minutes usually fail.
I think it’s very ironic for Joe the Plumber to ask President-Elect Barack Obama’s help in Israel, when a couple of months ago Joe the Plumber said that a “Vote for Obama would be the death of Israel”.
Dolmance, you seem to have missed the analogy.
I don’t know , or care, if Joe is a good reporter. A great many of the MSM and their acolytes DO CARE. That was my point; they are the little dog barking desperately to make it’s presence known. They seem terrified that a new approach to news with develop, one that lacks their carefully nuanced filters.
Once they lose control of the information flow they become superflous. Joe is just the tip of an iceberg, the widespread availability of independent video has already shown the MSM to be both liars and fools, They will publish just what fits their editorial slant (right or left).
I can watch a video (complete and unedited) on Youtube and see what happened, I can see that the aircraft is dropping flares, not firing at civilians, without some JS bozo “interpeting” the scene for me. The MSM has little specialized knowledge and far too much ego, a decent Wikipedia entry is more helpful!
152. jojobo1 wrote:
Why is Joe the plumber asking this og president Elect Obama instead of president Bush.president Bush is still our president and he has the say so on anything that is done till the 20th of Jan.Does this Man not even know this much?
Type English please, so we can understand what you are trying to say.
Anton wrote “I can see that the aircraft is dropping flares”
But when you drop these over densely populated areas, people get burned.
153. RP wrote:
And you are only concered with the “fake footage” as opposed to the hundreds of real children being killed, maimed and burned.
Peter responds: No, I am not only concerned with the ‘fake footage.’ I am concerned with the hundreds of real children being killed, maimed and burned and not a peep reported on them by the MSM becuase they happen to be living in Israel, under daily siege by terrorist thugs launching thousands of rockets on them every day for years.
Now do YOU get it?
Anton- again, please provide proof that anybody in the MSM cares.
brooklyn dave:
Whatever you may think, people identify with Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin—especially everyday regular folks.
Let me assure you I know quite a few “regular folks” who consider both Palin and Joe as totally buffoonish. I’m sure people can be found who don’t agree with these sentiments but they are a minority. To the rest of us they are circus freaks. I’m waiting to hear Joe has been fired into Gaza out of a cannon.
To Peter the Sub Guy
I know you were trying to make a good come back response, but you failed. First, Bush damaged U.S. economy, which is weird since republicans are suppose to be fiscal conservative but manage to put us over a trillion in debts. After the Hurricane Katrina ruined New Orleans, Bush and his administration acted like it is not his responsibility to support and help the people of Louisana. Like Kanye West said, Bush doesnt like black people. Bush knew the victims of Hurricane Katrina are not the kind of people he likes to hang around with, so he ignores them. Only a republican is capable of commiting this inhumane act. Today, President-elect Obama and his administration are making efforts to have Republicans support and acknowledges their difference because Democrates do want to get along and work together for the better future of th U.S. Something a republican may consider it a nightmare.
Drew, are you a new troll here at PJ?
There are several posts in the past few days about Joe. They also have links directly to the comments made by the MSM types showing their reactions. Don’t fly off the handle, look into the situation; TV “pretty faces” that have never gone into the field for anything other than a report on the local Apple Festival or some such are slamming a guy that is actually going somewhere he might get killed.
Hubris?
Jealousy?
I’m not sure, but they do seem to think that their VAST experience at reporting on what the teleprompter tells them makes them better.
There are those of us who rejoice to see a man catch a break. Then there are Democrats who berudge him that because they are hung up on thinkiong they are smart and don’t want to share their pie.
Unfortunately, these blogs certainly reveal a lot of bigotry and hatred. Do any of you personally know Joe? I doubt it. He is an ordinary American citizen who got caught up in an intrusive whirlwind of hate from primarily the liberal arena. Unfortunately, again, whenever one sees pure hatefulness, mean spiritedness, snobbery, and elitism on these blogs, that seems to be the primary source. Not that we don’t see some fron the conservatives but the libs win hands down on the number of hate filled snobbish elitist comments. How about both libs and cons discuss rationally and respectfully? Pure trash talk never solves anything!
The MSM IS following Joe-In fact I followed an AP link to get here! Thank you Joe for giving us your middle-America view of The Isreali side of this conflict. I for one can recognize INTEGRITY when I see it and it doesn’t have ANYTHING to do with education!
168. Kurt wrote:
Let’s all keep this in mind the next time someone at PJM bleats about how “celebrity worship” and is the exclusive province of brain-dead liberals. As if!
Peter responds: Hey, at least I didn’t vote for Obama because Barbara Streisand told me to.
Allan, You said it all, could off not said anybetter,Time is on “right” side, Amen…..
This just in…
Critics Say French TV Network Broadcast Fabricated Footage in Gaza, Again
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479485,00.html
“As for those journalists that are reporting from Israel and Gaza, a significant majority are Palestinians or Arabs that work for news organizations in countries that have populations, governments, and news leadership openly hostile to Israel. As a result, their reporting is reliably and perhaps unavoidably biased.”
So, here in the united states of israel, the media is biased in favor of arabs?!?! BLAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!
That has got to be the most ignorant, crap I’ve heard in the last 10 years.
May the Zionists rot in their own hell. Oh and take our retarded, red-neck christian collaborators with you.
From the above news story…
France 2 Public Television aired video showing the purported aftermath of an Israel Air Force strike in the Palestinian territory, which has been under siege by the Israeli military for more than two weeks. But the footage was actually amateur video shot during a 2005 incident involving Gaza civilians killed in an explosion caused by militants.
Thanks, MSM!
Go Joe!
I actually know a girl who wants to marry this brain dead half wit. Go figure. He will soon go the way on Palin.
Joe has dozens of trolls on this comment thread pretty scared.
And of course the journalists are scared. They’re losing their jobs as their biased left-wing industry dies. And who’s taking one of their precious jobs? Joe the Plumber!
That’s what you get for telling lies to the public, journalists. We can go and listen to someone else now — and you can go to serve fries at McDonalds, which is the only work your precious ‘qualifications’ and ‘experience’ will get you.
Allan Number 43 you said it all…..Tonaz, good report!!!jOSE…..
So if no journalistic experience is required to work for PJTV, why not at least hire an out-of-work combat veteran who can at least provide a degree of insight into war to be PJTV’s voice from Israel? You know, do the patriotic thing by supporting a veteran?
Oh, cuz that wouldn’t get PJTV mentioned in the MSM like hiring a celebrity did.
Can anyone say ‘media whores?’
Excellent journalists don’t make themselves or their world-view the story. Sam/Joe may come to it with a different sensibility than many in the msm, but it’s still about his persona, his “anger” at the way the press has covered the war, etc. etc. It’s slightly preferable to denying any agenda, but not by much.
Paul Berman wrote that wisdom consists of the ability to be shocked. One advantage for a novice walking into a story that has been endlessly dissected is the lack of obligation to nod at all the theories and positions others have staked out over the years. He can bring an immediacy, an edge. Sending a guy with an angle erases all that. I wish you had chosen someone who was content to be a nobody.
172. RP wrote:
But when you drop these over densely populated areas, people get burned.
Peter responds: Never occurred to you that the flare goes out before reaching the ground, like most flares, huh?
Peter sub-guy wrote: ‘you mean pro-terrorist, dont you?’
I’m sorry Mr. Sub Guy. Your logic suggests that anyone that is not Zionist is pro-terrorist. That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Zionists probably make up less than 1 % of the world’s population. Under your logic, that makes 99% of the world’s population pro-terrorist. Under your logic, furthermore, pro-terrorism is suddenly an acceptable majority worldview. Please don’t fool yourself, Peter Paranoid Sub Guy.
Sheesh….try to give a guy a crack a reporting and doing Vox Pops and look at the response. The people defending the MSM need to decaf and relax. We’ll see how Sam works out. I’ve a felling it will be better than they would like
184. lyin’ eyes:
Peter responds: His own handle says it all.
RP: I am waiting on your answer regarding the economics of Obama’s stimulus plan.
As to your writing that:
“Remember the flack Hans Blix got for saying that the WMD programs had been dismantled?”
Well, here is what was really said, as reported back then in 2004 in CNN online:
“Iraq had been shown to have biological and chemical weapons before, ‘and there was no record of either destruction or production; there was this nagging question: Do they still have them?’ ElBaradei said.
Blix said he had not been able to say definitively that Iraq had no such weapons, but added that he felt history has shown he was not wrong.”
So again you misrepresent the facts. Can you be more exploded? Your credibility is shot, kid.
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192. Wreckin Crew wrote:
I’m sorry Mr. Sub Guy. Your logic suggests that anyone that is not Zionist is pro-terrorist.
Peter responds: No, I’m pointing out your narrow-minded view that anyone supporting Israel is a Zionist. I support any nation that defends itself against terrorist aggression.
167. Robert Hurley:
Why, Thank you sir! I Googled your name and came up with several. Which one are you? Or are you any?
Around where I live there are people setting themselves up in their homes as Oral Surgeons, Dentists, and Botox therapists. And some have been doing good work for years, or so I’ve heard from the DEA and FBI.
What, no comments from all the Joe detractors on the thread today about ANOTHER incident of fake news coming out of Gaza?
Anyone willing to stand up for the MSM?
Indeed. Like the little dog pulling the curtain back. Pay no attention to that … er … man .. behind the curtain! I am the great and powerful … MSM.
If Harisson Ford took this gig, all the lefties and the MSM would be cheering him. Joe? Only scorn.
If a “community organizer” can be President, then surely a plumber can be a reporter.
It takes no special skills or education.
If Joe’s not qualified for journalism, Obama, without a doubt, is not qualified for Commander in Chief.
Why don’t you put your condemnation in the right place?
You fools are critically, severely, acutely, profoundly, markedly, extremely, misinformed.
I don’t speak French; Is he saying he surrenders?
Go Joe! The MSM is doing everything it possibly can to destroy Joe the Plumber. They are absolutely horrified of losing their grip on America’s mind. Their sole function has been to brainwash Americans into communism.
This is an historic victory over the communists who control our media. They are doing all they can to destroy America and turn it communist. Thank you Joe, please be careful, the media is out to get you!
Louie: I did a very interesting interview with Scott Ritter about all of this, but I’m bored with this whole discussion, and do not have access to my notes. “No one” thought that Saddam had destroyed his weapons and was bluffing and “no one” thought terrorists might use airplanes as weapons before 9/11. Fine. Believe that if you want. Why was the Mushroom Cloud reference taken out of the speech prior to the SofTU, etc. Ever see the tape of Colin Powell at the U.N. where he specified that there was X number of tons of WMD in this builing and that building, and this is a mobile WMD factory etc.? I was there; I still have the DVD slide show. It was a bunch of lies. They did not “know” what they said they “knew.” I’m sorry so many honorable men and women have died for a lie and a messianic vision of bringing “freedom” to a nation unwilling to have freedom, and more interested in tribal conflicts that have waged for a thousand years.
As for the New Deal, people (and their children) who lived through it felt the relief, the employment, the educational and cultural programs, the making of our National Parks, the beginnings of Social Security, the insuring of the banks, unemployment insurance (all the things that the anti-government set hates) and it made their lives better, and if one includes Goverment employment, the unemployment rate went down significantly; and employment means being able to pay the rent, put food on the table and give kids clothes to go to school in. Of course, Wall Street did not return to the wildly speculative levels of the late roaring 20′s for a good long while — and W.W. II intervened — but that mattered less to the majority of Americans who were not heavily invested in the stock market. Besides, the Free Market ultimately worked, just like in 2008, right ? Greed is good, right?
Man, you lefties calling JTP a fraud and a liar and a slob and an idiot are sure hateful in your comments. How can you profess to know these things about JTP? It’s plain that you are just hurling insults because you like the look of your own spittle-flecked hatred displayed on the monitor. You seem to all have the same level of dialog as I would expect to see among third-graders. It makes you look like idiots and I’ll bet your parents are ashamed of you. I know no one as infantile as you appear to be in your posts. Rest assured that nobody on either side of the spectrum takes you seriously.
Also, George W. Bush has an IQ of 130. What’s yours?
I’ve never met JTP. But he’s just some dude who fell into the limelight. Maybe he’ll do well as a correspondent, maybe not. I personally don’t care much either way. After all, I don’t even know the guy. Still, I hope he does well. I admire his courage. And if it pisses off liberals, so much the better.
I welcome this opportunity to inject sense in the middle of nonsense provided by the left.
First of all to Oprah, Obaman can not be the one, because when I was a boy I was told I was “the one”. That is every time my sisters said I was “the one”. Sometimes I was also referred to as “that one”. My how these names get around even today.
As for the nonsense by supporters of left media and in particularly MSM, go suck an egg.
If what we see on TV these days is Journalism, then most of us are inflicted with Alzheimers.
Every time I look at the tube and listen to these assanine Journalists, I realize that they do not have a grasp of any knowledge of history, nor of military weaponry. Nor can they spell, because the text at the bottom of the screen is worse than a 10 year old blogger sending an instant message to his friends.
In a nutshell, Journalists who would like to be respected, must earn our respect. Demanding our respect by ranting and raving about how good you think you are just does not fly anymore than ordinary BS. As an earlier generation used to say, “get a clue”, losers.
Somewhere between Watergate and Iran/Contra the Press almost went extinct and was replaced by the media. Being a member of the press took courage, writing and observation skills, patience, tact, intuition,and dedication. Being a member of the media requires a big ego and a little financial backing.
One more tiny thing… Ya know before the McCain campaign got a hold of Governor Palin, she was widely praised and exemplified for her BI-PARTISAN strength. Moving Alaska forward working with Democrats and Republicans. So much for that. The McCain campaign ‘reimaged’ (typical media non-word) her as a pitbull for the media. The media will slam Joe the plumber into the mud just as ruthlessly as anyone else as soon as it make a $ for them to do so. The media isn’t liberally or conservatively biased… its $ biased. CNN bought into that terrible footage to up their viewer numbers and add ad revenue. If you want to read an interesting take on US news try reading the Canadian Broadcasting System reports. There is no genuine press left in America.
197. Peter wrote ‘narrow-minded… terrorism.’
In fact, Mr. Sub-Man, it is you who have a narrow-minded definition of ‘terrorism’. You see, terror actually describes a victim’s experience. So if Palestinians in Gaza experience the terror of an Israeli attack, then the Israeli government is being ‘terrorist’. One could argue that Israelis attacked by Palestinian rockets also experience ‘terror’. Now, it is only fair to recognize the SCALE of that terror: and the Israeli army are hands-down winners of being the most terrorizing terrorists.
The thousands of rockets that you imagine raining on Israel are a gross exaggeration and come from nightmarish memories of the past. Wake up: the same thing you fear for Israel is happening in Gaza. While purporting to stand with the victims, Israel has become the oppressor.
Is this guy Joe serious? He says war reporters shouldn’t be anywhere near the war? This guy is a fraud and an idiot, and any media outlet that hires such a nincompoop is clearly into sensationalism and not a credible source.
Heh! Heh!
Have you noticed that this article is posted right alongside the article about Edward R. Murrow? Now, that gives Joe some credibility!
He can put in his resume that his article was placed adjacent to Edward R. Murrow on an internationally renowned internet news magazine.
(Chris Matthews and Geraldo Rivera are going to put out a contract on me.)
We have over 200 comments. Have any of Joe’s detractors criticized his performance? All I’m seeing is a massive hissyfit over credentials.
The credentialed media types don’t seem to be getting the concept of the market, and the customer always being right. And it shows in their demise. Those credentials won’t be doing you much good when you’re delivering pizza.
Folks,
If Arnold the Terminator can become Governor of California, then Joe the Plumber can visit the lowly Israel and yank a few chains. It is refreshing to see a “commoner” ask questions that are not spoon-fed to them by the powers-to-be. Are you forgetting how the MSMs ran stories that come straight out of the White House? Literally spoon fed by the govt!! LOL
Let us stop arguing about who to send and focus on the matter at hand: The war in Gaza and, more to the point, the fact that no one can get past the Israel-Gaza border. Meaning: What’s the point of sending MSM journalists over there if the are NOT allowed to go in?
Cheers
Could the MSM really make everyone happy? The fact is, anyone in the public eye – including media itself – is going to be scrutinized and torn apart.
Anyone who is put under a microscope is going to look bad to some people. It’s so easy to sit back and criticize others.
Everyone is doing the best they can do, we are all only human – including the “vile” reporters being trashed here. If they think they have God status, remember that the Public gave it to them.
No doubt the Arabs know about Joe and Pajamas Media; I wonder if they will try to get an interview with him to show how compassionate they are?
You have got to be kidding, he is raping anyyone who will listen to his uneducated, highly biased BS…and laughing all the way to the bank…couldn’t make it as a plumber, not good enough? BS artist?…done deal! …and you can count on FOX to pay him…lol!!!
Brian…
JtP may not be polished nor articulate, but at least thus far no one has caught him lying to us. That puts him well ahead of most media figures in the world today, particularly those working in and around Israel.
JtP’s complaints regarding the media are not new:
“I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast.” –General William Tecumseh Sherman
If you don’t like his reporting, don’t watch. If you think he’s lying to you, don’t watch. But don’t fault him for seizing the opportunity that Fortune laid before him.
43. allan toncz:
Allan go back to your hole, you are not even a proper Zionists because Zionist do not believe in a two state solution, they believe that all non Jews should be resettled outside of the territories. A two state solution was made fashionable by Clinton he was repaid by Lewinsky.
You are paranoid, if you believe that the whole world is wrong and you neo-cons are right then you belong in a mental institution. What would for example a Norwegian possibly benefit from believing Arabs rather than Jews (they have the biggest wealth fund backed by North Sea oil on Europe). But the Oslo peace accords they negotiated is very unpopular in Israel and it was thrown in the bin by Netanyahu.
200 comments in which mindless pro-Joe drones have stalwartly ignored the three lies within 24 hours that Joe told on camera to the world, instead preferring to carp on about the ‘safer’ debate over his name and plumbing credentials. How LAME.
For the record – I’m a conservative. You guys are embarrassing me. You’re becoming as blinkered and dishonest as the liberals we decry.
For the record, here are Joe’s lies (the ones we know about, anyhow):
1) “I’m thinking about buying my boss’s plumbing business.” [Told to Obama upon meeting him for the first time].
Joe made less than 40k last year, and owed taxes. He wasn’t buying any damn business and he knew it.
2) “The business makes 250k a year and your taxes will hurt me, won’t they?” [The very next sentence out of his mouth to Obama].
This is mens rea and actus reus (guilty mind, guilty action) on public display, proving that Joe is a dishonest person. Dummy Joe chose the figure of 250k because at that time, it was the amount chosen by Obama as the lower threshold for proposed tax increases. The company Joe worked for had a turnover of a little over 100k last year, something that Joe was fully aware of. This is CLEARLY a lie chosen to suit his purposes.
3) “I’m not registered under Joe Wurzelbacher, it’s under Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher.” [When asked by a reporter the next day why he isn’t registered under the name Joe Wurzelbacher.
This is who Joe Wurzelbacher is. A liar. He isn’t registered under either name, and lied because he assumed that the reporter couldn’t find out either way.
So there we have it. Your fearless correspondent lies repeatedly, in a deliberate, conscious way, when he doesn’t stand to gain ANYTHING from the lies. So please, ask yourself – how honest will he be when he reports from Israel?
I get that he and most everyone here is stalwartly pro-Israel. I certainly prefer Israel over Hamas. But please try to recall – Israel and the United States aren’t one and the same nation. It’s a fact the Israelis don’t forget for one moment. For proof go look up “USS Liberty” and see what happens when Israeli interests and American ones fail to coincide.
What you want from a reporter in a war zone is objectivity and honesty. Joe offers neither.
Ok. You want us to quit discussing his credentials (or lack thereof). Fine, you don’t need journalism experience to be a war correspondent. He’s the “real deal”…that’s what counts. I’m just still trying to figure out how he went from “swing voter” trying to decide between McCain and Obama to such a hardcore conservative quicker than a Domino’s Pizza is delivered to your doorstep.
please go away you f-ing douchebag.
Joe is a moron just like Palin and about a few billion of you other extreme sad Republicans– I hope you continue to use them both as party standard bearers…
While I am certainly no proponent of the main-stream media I found “Joe’s coverage” to be a bit low brow. Unfortunately, it is highly unlikely that the main stream media was really threatened by Joe anymore than a real singer is threatened by William Hung. Unfortunately Joe came off as an uneducated hick and listening to his mumblings and stumbling’s was, for the most part, painful and I felt embarrassed for the guy. Listening to Joe was like listening to Miss Teen USA 2007 South Carolina (See Youtube)
The media doesn’t like Joe the plumber?
Joe the plumber scares the establishment?
Any more jokes around here?
After J-the-P had the unmitigated gall to live in a house next to the Messiah’s footpath, and then ferreted out Barry’s true intentions with a single simple question, an Ohio official (Helen Jones-Kelley) took it upon herself to use state records to vett Joe to attempt to discredit him.
Three months later Helen, caught with her hand in the data till, resigned to avoid being fired and thus discredit the Ohio Democrat party.
She stated she did so to avoid suffering “disparagement”. Yeah, right.
The net result is that Joe is now better vetted than the president-elect.
209. Wreckin Crew
And that is a terrible strawman argument.
Terrorists are non-state actors who pursue violence to force a political end, in this case, the destruction of Israel. They do not wear uniforms, do not follow various conflict conventions, and design their attacks to inflict the maximum amount of fear in the general populace. That is a far cry from the response by the uniformed IDF, who target Hamas and go so far as to tell the innocent civilians (and Hamas, too) when and where they are going to strike. All in order to MINIMIZE civilian casualties. And they’re doing a fair job of it.
This is the culture and “leaders” the Palestinians have to suffer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y
These are the things they do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN9WzUc7iB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhs9ihSmbU
How can you defend them?
He lost me when he referred to Israelis as “Isreals.” It’s not even a word (unless of course you are referring to the nation as a whole in a possessive manner). So why do conservatives celebrate the lowest common denominator? When did it become patriotic to speak like an idiot?
Why would anyone want to listen to someone who doesn’t really understand what is going on, and isn’t really smart enough to ask good questions?
Why is there such a split amongst conservatives who believe in fiscal policy and intelligence, and those who just don’t want abortions and are willing to elect idiots like Palin? Even McCain had little intellectual curiosity. Is it the ‘game show’ mentality where they ask easy questions so the audience feels smart?
brooklyn dave:
Whatever you may think, people identify with Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin—especially everyday regular folks.
That is the scary part: As Stalin called them “Convenient idiots.” Do you want a “regular every day folk” operating on you or planning your financial future or babbling incoherently to you about what is going on the other side of the world?
Stupidity should not be promoted.
Hey Harsh Reality.
You have got to be absolutley the dumbest SOB to ever draw a breath. He never lied. Who says you have to have a license to be a plumber you Ahole. I bet you hire unlicensed plumbers to do your work because they do the work cheaper you left wing idiot.
I guess Joe the unlicensed plumber found a way to pay his unpaid taxes.
Joe is another Zionist wanting to spread the propaganda of the mass murder Zionist regime. Wake up American’s you are being brainwashed by this people that don’t want to tell you that they build their state on stolen land and now they want to extinct the right full owners of Palestine. WAKE UP AMERICAN’S, WAKE UP!!
JOSH
Washington D.C
All you left wing idiots on this blog hate joe because he put your God obama on the spot and you just cant stand it.
Josh Biderman.
Your a Ahole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just changed my mind . Everybody here that hates Joe is a asshole…
According to CNN article,
Joe the Plumber quote “When someone hits me, I am going to unload on the boy”
My view is that when you have a sexual fantasy, keep it to your self.
Hey harsh reality-
You call him a liar because he goes by his middle name? Or because he had the temerity to dream of buying a plumbing business that he might not have been able to afford? Or because he threw the $250K figure at Obama? Might he not have dreamed of making that much some day?
What exactly is a name that’s “registered”?
You talk like a liberal.
You seem very strict in your determination of what makes a person a liar. Do you hold yourself to that same standard? I don’t think you’re a conservative. You sound like a democrat trying to pass yourself off as a conservative. Thereby making yourself a way bigger liar than you claim JTP is. I’m a conservative. Been one all my life. I know conservatives and you aren’t one. You are a troll and I would bet you vote democrat right down the line.
they made a texas drunk into a president
tried to make an alaskan bimbo into a v.p
now its an unemployed plumber(not even that) into a reporter
so waz new here guys
Joe the Plumber is really Joe the Idiot.
Hey Bing
TAKE YOUR MEDS.
Hey Joe the Plumber.
Pay your taxes, you deadbeat.
I’d believe a plumber before I’d believe a journalist.
Harsh reality, ok you don’t know if Joe will bring objectivity and honesty, and actually, you’ve pointed out that he thinks of asking challenging questions, and can create a sticky question for the person being interviewed. that sounds better than the questions that presented now, where the answer is so quick you just know they knew it was coming (think Biden’s interview in Florida)…I say wait and see what happens if the guy is not good at staying in the spotlight, he’ll disappear
Thanks #208 for stating the reason why I like Sarah Palin, nothing to do with the elections, and I think alot of people could see this.
We’ll forgive you Barry for not telling the truth before even taking the oath, we’ll forgive you Michelle for saying Barry is my kids daddy (what did you really mean by that anyway), oh hell, we’ll forgive the Obamas no matter what they do. I’m an American woman. You rock Joe.
WOW This Joe the plumber guy has to be the most exciting thing to come out of the republican party in who knows how long. You republicans need to get a grip and realise you are all a bunch of hipocrites with no plan. Just get on board and enjoy the ride ,because liberalism is here to stay and its all brought on by your narrow minded visions that people have been seeing through for a long time now. And your IUsrale propaganda is starting to lose its movement too. ou repub licans are getting exactly what you deserve, and that is to be lead by the liberals of this country. Enjoy and get used to it you pukes.FREE PALESTINE
“Journalism” Go to any so called “institution of higher learning” and see what a stupid journalism degree entails. It’s an indoctrination degree in left wing communist group think- save the world, save the children, oh big government will save us all because after all, government is good. We are living in the age of fools who elevate a college degree to mean that a person actually knows something, is actually educated, is well read, knows history (not propaganda and revisionism), and has personal wisdom and common sense- NONE of which is true of today’s indoctrination centers of higher political correctness. A degree today means that you read a few books by dumbed down so called “professors” who also read the same bunch of books and wrote papers agreeing with each other and their own group think. Joe the plumber probably has more common sense and actual world experience in his little toe than the average idiot Phd prof at the indoctrination center. Good for Joe- at least he’s out earning a pay check.
You are embarrassing yourself with your stretches. Lies? How do you know he wasn’t thinking about buying the business? Just because he only makes 40K does not negate a dream of one day owning his own business. I think that is called part of the American Dream. If he isn’t the owner now he probably can only estimate what the business is making and number 3 is really stretching it. My daughter is named Elizabeth but she is always called Beth but if you look for her under Beth in official records you will fine it under Elizabeth. He never claimed to be anything but what he is, a conservative, a plumber, and worried about what taxes would do to him if he decided to buy a business that made 250k a year.
Can’t believe some of the comments, like the anti-Israel media, are you nuts, its a pro-Israel media, ABC’s largest shareholders’ Shamrock Holding is based in Tel Aviv, CNN is owned by Warner Brothers who have had a succession of Jewish American CEOs and most of Editors on the news are Pro-Israel, if you want to read balanced news read the Overseas Press or Haaretz in Israel, what planet are you on…
The big question is what news or insights is Joe going to give, and what contextual knowledge does he have, or will be become a parrot for Israeli PR flaxs
And to think this guy might be your best chance of winning an election. WOW what a bunch of losers you repugs are. FREE PALESTINE
Why complain about the ineffectiveness of the so called left liberal media?
Wasn’t it they who whitewashed and abetted Mr. Bush’s entrance into Iraq and has given him credibility about protecting Americans from non existent threats.
Now the same so called American blue bloods tout this comic Joe the Plumber, as fairly representing them.
Lets stop a moment and consider:
1. How was it possible to pull down in free fall
2 towers and most of it land in sizes that fit
semi-tractor trailers ready to hall away, then
no allowance made to store the materials of a
crime scene.
2. How is it possible to write a detailed 1700
page document in 5 weeks and implement it as
law immediately after the incident
precipitating it? (Patriot Act I)
3. Why did Mr. Bush meet with Big Oil just before
the invasion and count it as Executive
privilege to hide the proceedings.
4. Why were several FBI officers fired shortly
after the investigation begun when thier
reports did not support the official story.
5. How is it possible, that Mr. Rupert Murdoch,
a constant and strenous supporter of Mr. Bush’s
war on terror, support Ms. Hillary Clinton bid
for the presidency, the anathema of G. Bush?
Has our wonderful liberal media ever begun to investigate these facts among the many others that immediately questions the complicity of the US Government Secret Agencies? If they are indeed spontaneously liberal why do they not talk about Mr. Brokaw’s vociferous support for the war among many correspondents in 2003, and the so called conservatives call into question the Liberals?
I have never seen so many Americans act like such asses over the obvious. There is not a NICKEL’S difference between the two anymore then there is a PENNEY’S difference between the Democrats and the Republicans and participating in these elections is the best charade to hide that the American Political System and Government has dramatically broken down and has been in the making for a long time.
I want to thank Pajamas and Joe for proving you don’t have to be literate, or even coherent, to be a journalist. Hell, you probably don’t even need a degree to do brain surgery. Let’s end elitism in medicine too!
Stephen Crane went to Syracuse University in 1890. Red Badge of Courage was published in 1895.
Oh there is a big difference between repugs and dems. You must be kidding.
Melissa and Karen, well said indeed.
Subreen, I’m still laughing at that last one. Probably THE best comment I’ve read in years.
Jaya, strictly speaking, I’m a Libertarian. But whilst I tolerate gays and other weirdos, I don’t agree with their way of life. They should be able to tell me how to live about as much as I can instruct them who not to sleep with. And I’m 100% behind women having the right to choose because any alternative would be authoritarian and stupid.
And how is it that you’re so stupid that you still manage to confuse my complaints about Joe, even when I lay them out in point form? No, I didn’t say he lied about his name. I showed what he lied about. And yes, when speaking ON CAMERA, to a man who might someday become the PRESIDENT, in front of an INTERNATIONAL AUDIENCE, I make an extra effort not to tell idiotic, pointless lies. It’s an easy standard to abide by, doncha think?
Joe could have asked Obama directly about his taxation plans without lying about himself. But he saw the cameras and wanted to big-note himself dishonestly too. Because that’s presumably what “ordinary Joes” do (not).
View from afar, yes, anyone can think about a question before asking it – that capacity, along with our opposable thumbs, makes us extra special mammals. It doesn’t mean that we all can (or should) be war correspondents.
Oh, and to all those people who claim that Joe “put Obama on the spot”… all I can say is, did we watch the same conversation? I saw Obama take time out for a man who had just liked to his face (twice) so he could calmly explain what he had planned. He didn’t stammer or stutter or make any confessions. He just explained his plans (as he had numerous times before).
Joe achieved nothing beyond tell a few lies to the next president on TV… and get caught out.
Clem, you stupid troofer, take your idiotic copy and paste rants and shove them.
Now, I’m definitely not not a liberal, but I’m sorry, Joe sucks. Its a gimmick and hes making conservatives look like dumb asses.
Most U.S. media are pro-Israel and have been backing up their stories. However, from time to time, a reporter make ask a legimate tough question like why did the israeli millitants hit a shelter filled with woman and children,causing high rise in death tolls among Gaza cilivans,the conservatives get all fired up. You conservatives are very lucky to live in America because the Europe media were allowed to show Gaza children losing arms and legs on the scene.
And the fact that republicans dont know the differance between the 2 parties is what is really scary to most.
Go Joe Go
Joe for President soon
The events going on in Palestine are no joke. Get that cook out of there. Let’s get the real journalists in there to show what’s really happening, and oh yeah, don’t forget to watch this….these are not the journalists I am talking about…
http://www.sprword.com/videos/peace/
A plumber may be just what the news media needs to clear up all the “waste” that the media puts out as news! And by the way, does anyone know how much of the media, in the US and around the world, the Arabs control(including the Times, ABC, CBS, etc.?)
Well Nick ,surely it didnt take Joe the plumber for you to know that they are dumb asses indeed.
Wow, there are a lot of sad and angry people here and I feel sorry for all of you.
No one is really threatened by Joe’s reporting. The MSM is really laughing at him, because this stint will evaporate quickly. Look, there was a time in this country where we had high standards for people, we expected hard work and knowledge. For this guy to fancy himself as a reporter that cannot even grasp basic grammar and basic respect for the English language, it really is an embarrassing sign that we don’t hold people to standards anymore.
I feel badly for all the people on here who are angry at anyone who has an education (GWB had a great one, by the way, at the most elite schools, but you seem to forgive him because he, too, has a harder time with English than many naturalized immigrants I know.)
You must be in a bad place if you think educated people are the source of your pain. You must be in a bad place to insist that a good education means you lack common sense.
Because in the mean time, people with good educations actually have a lot of common sense, and it is evidenced in the fact that they make more money live better and healthier lives than you probably do. You can fool yourself and convince yourself that you are somehow better, that you possess something they don’t, but it isn’t true.
Earning 40K and drinking beer out of a can doesn’t make you a better person. Hate to break it to ya.
Hey Joe, see if you can get the Israelis to open some check points while you are there, you TOOL
FREE PALESTINE
Nick speaks the truth.
In regard to those who fail to see how Joe’s telling Obama that he was “thinking of buying” his boss’s 250K a year business was a lie, I will use this simple analogy.
You’re a blonde gal with big boobs seated in a bar. I want to sleep with you. To that end, I tell you that I’m “thinking of buying” the Dallas Cowboys. Now, like Joe, I can’t actually afford to buy the business of my dreams. Like Joe, I am fully aware of that fact.
Could I have been honest with you, introduced myself accurately without any deception, and hoped to sleep with you anyhow? Sure, I could. And the next day, I wouldn’t have to worry about covering my ass, either.
If Joe was the honest, decent guy he’s made out to be by his shills, then that’s exactly what he would have done with Obama. But he didn’t. He carefully planned out a lie, the only discernable objective of which was to be a big phony, his dumb bald head on TV, talking about how he’s gonna buy a six-figure business soon. Look at me, everyone. I’m not a loser, honest.
That is the action of an ordinary JERK, not an ordinary Joe.
Joe the plumber eats babies.
Sam the Dolt should not be the ying to the librul media’s yang. Nice try, but as a “repug” (?) I must say that Sam is not helping. I’m exactly sure if I should take PJM seriously anymore.
209. Wreckin Crew wrote:
In fact, Mr. Sub-Man, it is you who have a narrow-minded definition of ‘terrorism’. You see, terror actually describes a victim’s experience. So if Palestinians in Gaza experience the terror of an Israeli attack, then the Israeli government is being ‘terrorist’.
Peter responds: I beg to differ with you, but you need to look up the definition of terrorism;
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror. At present, there is no internationally agreed definition of terrorism. Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants.
By that definition, Israel is FAR from being the terrorist in this instance. Israel is only defending its sovereign state and protecting its citizens from terrorists bent on causing as much death and destruction against innocent civilians as possible.
I DARE you to tell me that, if Hamas had never fired a single rocket at Israeli territory, that Israel would still be fighting in Gaza.
Wow. 250+ comments, and we’re in the twilight zone. Joe the Plumber has magical derangement powers over some people…
And Clem, how can a government so incompetent that they can’t land a man on the moon pull all that off?
/Yes, that was sarcasm.
Roger H Frost, with all due respect, you’re kidding right?
217. mwl wrote:
JtP may not be polished nor articulate, but at least thus far no one has caught him lying to us. That puts him well ahead of most media figures in the world today, particularly those working in and around Israel.
Peter writes: I say again…
Dan ‘Fake but Accurate’ Rather
219. Harsh Reality wrote:
For the record, here are Joe’s lies (the ones we know about, anyhow):
1) “I’m thinking about buying my boss’s plumbing business.” [Told to Obama upon meeting him for the first time].
Joe made less than 40k last year, and owed taxes. He wasn’t buying any damn business and he knew it.
Peter asks: So you’re telling us you never told anyone “I’m going to go buy a new car this year,” knowing you had about enough money to buy a Matchbox car and little else? YOU, never once in your life, exaggerated something.
221. Joe Sixpack wrote:
please go away you f-ing douchebag.
Peter asks: Talking to a mirror?
228. karen wrote:
Why would anyone want to listen to someone who doesn’t really understand what is going on, and isn’t really smart enough to ask good questions?
Peter asks: You mean like Obama and Biden?
236. subreen wrote:
According to CNN article,
Joe the Plumber quote “When someone hits me, I am going to unload on the boy”
My view is that when you have a sexual fantasy, keep it to your self.
Peter comments: Which just goes to show who REALLY has their minds in the gutter.
Wow,this just proves that any idiot can be a journalist,and vice versa.
I can see it now the next republican presidential ticket will read as follows.
Palin Wurzelbacher 2012
245. Wesman:
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248. Peter D wrote:
Can’t believe some of the comments, like the anti-Israel media, are you nuts, its a pro-Israel media
Peter asks: If it is such a pro-Israel media, then please explain;
Why not a peep about 3 years worth of Hamas rockets hitting Israeli towns?
Why pro-Hamas lies and propoganda coming out of Gaza, but only stories about Israeli so-called atrocities?
Why only stories about demands of cease fires to be imposed on Israel, but no stories about Israel defending its nation and citizens.
I await your explaination.
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250. Clem Kadidlehopper:
Wasn’t it they who whitewashed and abetted Mr. Bush’s entrance into Iraq and has given him credibility about protecting Americans from non existent threats.
Peter (incredulously) asks: NON EXISTENT THREATS?!? And just what PLANET were YOU on on September 11, 2001???
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When are some of you guys going to realise that it is not called the MAINSTREAM media for nothing. YOu know well researched balaced reporting based in the middle of the road. Just because most of you spend your life in the right hand ditch doesn’t mean everything is biased against you, just that you might be, you know, a minority view!!! From that perspective you don’t get too much Marxist or facist reporting either. I don’t remember too much MSM criticsm of the Iraq war at first when it (and Bush) were popular. Odd that. I also always enjoy FOX NEWS claiming not to be MSM given its high viewing numbers. Simple fact is people the real news, or reality, doesn’t always match our opinion, live with it.
As for Joe (not) the Plumber, well perhaps he might take note of his own words. Reporting HALF the story. When he sits in a Gaza house (no bunkers there for the normal resident’s Joe!) with a family that have nothing to do with Hamas then perhaps he might get a sense of how TWO sided and difficult the Middle East is. Then again I’m assuming Joe didn’t get a working visa from Israel on the basis of his reporting record so he might just have got it on his propoganda value.
Oh yes, standing wide-eyed and slack jawed and commenting “I have so many questions, I don’t know what to ask,” “They take short showers, I know I would,” and “I don’t think journalists should be anywhere allowed war” … JUST like Stephen Crane and Ernie Pyle, and hey, Edwin R. Murrow for that matter. I smell Pulitzer!
If America makes Wurzelbacher so much as a freakin’ congressional aide, I’m gonna dump you lot and throw in with the Chinese.
Hey Peter the Sub guy
CHECK YOUR SELF IN
a plumber can be a reporter, just not this one.
Come up with something on your own Pete the sub guy or go away like the rest of the republicans have, you are all losers.
Our plumber proves that humbleness is the best form of journalism. His natural candor is am emblem of the true American spirit. I’d take his coverage on life and world affairs any day on any of the clowns who work for Time, CNN, or the BBC. With all their credentials and “superior” intellect, their deconstructionist analysis is tiresome. All they want is to hobnob with the LA cliché. Who works for these networks if not credentialed Pinocchios? It’s refreshing to see a humble correspondent who doesn’t spew out recycled cliché just to win the Pulitzer or get a teaching gig at our beloved Harvard. To all the CNN/BBC comrades, watch and learn.
Janessa Blake: Spell us the fledge to the PC Fraternity? Peace All.
Subreen: Enlighten us why college professors haven’t explored the monstrosity in Muslim countries. Not PC, perhaps? Why hasn’t Jimmy Carter investigated the tragedies Muslims govs inflict on women, children and men. Read “Lolita in Tehran.” I’ve lost any respect for liberal professors. 95% of terrorists graduate from the Eurabia Socialist Academy of Truth.
GO JOE ! Don’t listen to the little trolls here.
It’s just impressive that he’s doing all this with half a brain in his head.
Weird how the left and MSM (but I repeat myself) are so hysterical about some commentary by Joe the Plumber. If Joe is really so terrible/ignorant/ill-spoken he will show it in his reports and be dropped from the job. Obviously what they truly fear is that he *won’t* be bad. If there are many people that can do this job, the leftist lock on the information gateway will be broken, that is what scares them.
Joe the Plumber speaks truth to Media. Go Joe!
It has nothing to do with elitism and all has to do with publicity stunt. If you think this isn’t a publicity, then you guys are a bunch of hacks.
This is what Joe said: “I don’t think journalists should be anywhere allowed war (sic). I mean, you guys report where our troops are at. You report what’s happening day to day. You make a big deal out of it. I think it’s asinine”.
Great way to waste your money Pajama.
PC Media, take off your blinders. Joe the publicist-packin’ plumber is about as humble as the next pontificating know-nothing. Please don’t make the mistake of equating ignorance with humility. There is nothing noble in the savage.
WHY, oh WHY are you using the “but the mainstream media is so biased…” straw man DAYS after I pointed out the UNDENIABLE FACT that their inability/bias doesn’t impact on Joe’s inability/bias one way or the other! One can quite comfortably agree that the media has done a substandard job of covering the Middle East crisis WITHOUT pining for an attention-crazed plumber turned journalist.
Your silly references to Harvard and other elitist mumbo-jumbo further reveal the emptiness of your argument. The fact is, what *is* needed are more skilled, objective reporters (with or without a background in journalism) who are well-versed in the complexities and history of the region. The fact is, outside of those who want a career in journalism (and thus prepare for it by studying a relevant degree) you won’t find that many people who are willing and able to turn into the next Michael Totten overnight.
You are advocating the abolition of basic standards, in order to avoid rank elitism. To leap from one extreme to the other.
That is, in a word, stupid.
kanye west said….i am amazed at the fact that a large segment of n’orleans thought the government owed them something… who the f… sold them that load of shit i don’t want to know. oh wait its bailout time again. the mainstream media is pissing on my leg and calling it rain. were have some of you folks been the last 2 years. i liked Andy from Mayberry character. maybe Joe will come around.
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Fun to watch the opinions of a regular Joe getting all the lefties to pull their skirts straight over their head. Seriously, what are all you malevolent regressives getting your panties in a twist about? Almost 300 posts and almost all from hate filled Oberdouch sycophants. The guy caught your dear leader in a rare honest moment spouting Marxist rubbish and now the mere mention of the guy sends you screaming down the road.
Just to be serious, the only people who are referring to this guy as the voice of the GOP are you idiots that want – slash that – need a straw man to rant on. You guys run deranged loons like Al Franken but get exercised by a random plumber. Get a freaking grip.
Yuval Brandstetter MD: MSM is a world-wide guild with a single view, anti-zionist, antisemitic and anti American.
Yuval didn’t get the memo.
We’ve moved on from that paranoid fantasy to the next one: Israel is protected by Israel-loving American Jews diverting American tax dollars to Israel.
C’mon, keep up with the Delusion Schedule. There’s so much rightwing delusion to get through, stay on schedule!
Up next is “One Contradiction After Another Week”.
13. 17. 22.26. 27. 29. 30.31.35.39.40.41.45. ,etc. Peter the sub guy;
Are you stuck in a sub(marine); Stuck in the subway, or work at a Subway?
SC88: Weird how the left and MSM (but I repeat myself) are so hysterical about some commentary by Joe the Plumber. If Joe is really so terrible/ignorant/ill-spoken he will show it in his reports and be dropped from the job. Obviously what they truly fear is that he *won’t* be bad. If there are many people that can do this job, the leftist lock on the information gateway will be broken, that is what scares them.
1. PJs Media is using the media to boost it’s own profile. It’s a prostitute looking for a john just like everyone else.
2. The left? Buddy, hasn’t anyone told you we’re laughing at joe? No, seriously.
3. Why are you speaking as if we don’t already all know the man is another schmo looking for the limelight? He’s the Kato Kaelin of the Republican Party.
4. “…the leftist lock on the information gateway will be broken” is what the man types on a rightwing MEDIA website that has the word MEDIA in the NAME.
Once again, laughing at joe. Not worried. Laughing.
I don’t care how Sara Palin or Joe the Plumber souonds or if they are GOP. What I care about it why doesn’t the MSM report the real news???????. Why don’t they report that the Arab, PLO, Arrafat when he was alive, Iran, and most other Muslims want Israel eradicated. Why are the MSM afraid to report such truths? I want to know why? Would these yankee reporters want to live under Muslim LAW? Would the gays, and every other group that makes up the democrat part want to live under such conditions of Muslim law? Why doesn’t the MSM report on what the Arabs real goal is? Boy I wish I knew. Liberals on this site would you quit complaining about the qualification of Sarah or Joe and ask you beloved media to start asking tough questions in the real world?
Yes. My hat is off to Joe the Plumber who not only doesn’t have a journalists degree, but also not a plumbing license. As other plumbers ran wailing from him, so no goes the mainstream media. As Sarah Palin said we need “real America,” and “Joe Sixpack” represented in the government, Joe the Plumber will bring us journalism that truly speaks to the common people in terms we can understand. He will connect us with the Real Israel — the people who will finally give us the insight we need to truly understand this age-old conflict with Palestinians. May God be with him and all true believers.
This guy’s credentials are that he spoke with Obama on the campaign trail and John McCain used his comments in a debate (a failing attempt at that). (#102, Brian Bartley)
His credentials are what is so painfully lacking in the current MSM – common sense grounded in American values. Joe’s inadvertent, plain-talking interview with Harvard boy Obama, showed what most people know – common sense is much more valuable than all the nefarious idiocy you pick up from a modern college education today. Like too may elitists and their mindless syncophants plaguing the world, you confuse “intelligence” for education, the icing for the cake. Education is simply polish. “We have educated ourselves into imbecility,” quipped the noted English journalist Malcolm Muggeridge, who I think would have applauded Joe going to Israel.
Joe, finish your GED first, then go out war correspondentin’.
He not only scares mainstream media, he scares anyone with half a brain. You should have sent Lindsay Lohan, she is equally qualified.
“Stephen Crane, the novelist and journalist best known for the Civil War novel The Red Badge of Courage, covered the brief Greco-Turkish War and the Spanish-American War, somehow completing his assignments without graduating from a string of colleges. Somehow Crane muddled by, despite not possessing a great deal of historical knowledge, military insight, or specific expertise about either the conflicts he was paid to cover or those fighting in them.”
Yeah, but Crane wasn’t a complete idiot.
“that an out-of-work plumber who was recently the focus of their snarky asides might soon be counted as a peer..”
I think most plumbers would feel the same way about him.
Thanks Joe for your coverage. plz visit gaza and see the bodies of dead children,even that will not change your thinking. This war is like what Nazi’s did to the jews.
Come back home dude and help clean our gutters.
“Somehow Crane muddled by, despite not possessing a great deal of historical knowledge, military insight, or specific expertise”
Yes, but Crane had a functioning cortex.
It has been reported that Joe the Plumber recently got into a fight with an Israeli reporter on the field. I am disgusted by this reprehensible conduct. It is an embarrassment to anyone who takes the ideal of journalistic integrity seriously.
Brilliant strategy. Send in Joe the Plumber. Perhaps he will annoy everyone over there so badly with his inept questions and innane opinions, they’ll end the fighting just so he will go away.
What an embarrassment to America.
Elrond Hubbard said:
“He will connect us with the Real Israel — the people who will finally give us the insight we need to truly understand this age-old conflict with Palestinians. May God be with him and all true believers.”
You. Are. Mad.
Oh, here we go again……..unemployed Obamaista web warriors can’t stop hammering, screeching and preaching hate, hate, hate. Go Joe! Heh, heh…..I love ANYTHING that gets the facist MSM all a twitter. God forbid, the public may discover truth!
HR, you should quit posting about JTP. It’s taking up way too much of your valuable time. I’m seriously concerned about your economic well-being.
Since the time of the elections Joe W. is desperately trying to carve an image as a conservative messiah propped up by the Palin’s and McCain’s for reasons well known to them.
Today he is making statements on Israel being the innocent victim. Did he finish his school graduation yet? He is out to question the reporting done by the other professional reporters. His very first reporting event stinks with no truth in it nor is their substance but wants to show the world maybe for an image buildup to fight an election down the road and tell the stupid people who would throng around him that I am the Messiah. How? See telling lies is an Art which I have mastered over my Predecessors and it is me who can pull you out of problems. To summarize here is another banner in the making “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”
I see the fear of an honest, plain-spoken man reporting the news is still going strong.
What is it about Joe the Plumber that puts left-wingnuts into such a paroxysm of fear, rage and hatred against him?
I suspect it’s his genuineness. He’s not some overeducated moonbat, but an ordinary guy — the kind of guy that keeps America running.
If all the journalists vanished tomorrow, life would go on. If all the plumbers, builders, grocers, truckers and other Joes vanished, society would end.
You’re delusional if you think this flaming a**clown is good for conservatism or the Republican Party.
I remember when conservatives insisted it was “brilliant!” and a “stroke of genius!” when McCain picked Palin and now I hear the same stuff about this guy. America is not in the mood for a dumb know-it-all right now. We just had one in charge for 8 years.
Peter the Sub Guy Said:- You mean like the Israelis, living in fear of rockets landing on their homes and schools at any given time of day or night, for the last three years?
Pete replies:- Do you not feel that the Israelis response is disproportionate?
If we in the UK had followed such a course over Ireland, most of you in the USA would have been screaming of genocide and barbarism, as it is the USA remains silent and allows its friend in the region to slaughter women and children.
No change there then Obama, just the same as George.
283. Pete wrote:
When are some of you guys going to realise that it is not called the MAINSTREAM media for nothing. YOu know well researched balaced reporting based in the middle of the road.
Peter replies: Oh yeah, REALLY middle of the road. When they dig into false rumors of an affair by McCain, but don’t lookin into a single part of Obama’s background. When Palin is an uneducated, inexperienced country-bumpkin, but never held a job in her life Carolyn Kennedy is emminently qualified to be Senator from the great state of NY. Not a bit of bias there, right Pete?
285. Harsh Reality wrote:
If America makes Wurzelbacher so much as a freakin’ congressional aide, I’m gonna dump you lot and throw in with the Chinese.
Peter replies: Respectfully request you not wait. Please, leave, now.
288. Wesman wrote:
Come up with something on your own Pete the sub guy or go away like the rest of the republicans have, you are all losers.
Peter replies: Hey, wesman, when you can show me a real map that shows where a country called Palestine is or ever was, please let me know.
Until then, FREE PALESTINE… with every purchase of one at full price.
299. Cybergeezer wrote:
13. 17. 22.26. 27. 29. 30.31.35.39.40.41.45. ,etc. Peter the sub guy;
Are you stuck in a sub(marine); Stuck in the subway, or work at a Subway?
Peter replies: Proud Dolphin wearing bubblehead, proud OIF vet, currently working as a Navy sub-contractor.
304. Plumb the Joer wrote:
Joe, finish your GED first, then go out war correspondentin’.
Peter writes: The scariest part is Joe probably has a higher level of education than ol’ Plumb here, but Plumb is the one offering his opinion as if it’s fact.
308. AAA wrote:
This war is like what Nazi’s did to the jews.
Peter writes: Really? The jews were firing deadly rockets into Germany indescriminantly for year upon year before the Third Reich finally got fed up and decided to defend its sovereign nation?
Boy, I must have missed that part of my history text book.
312. Harsh Reality wrote:
Elrond Hubbard said:
“He will connect us with the Real Israel — the people who will finally give us the insight we need to truly understand this age-old conflict with Palestinians. May God be with him and all true believers.”
You. Are. Mad.
Peter writes: And you have an extremely narrow world view. Go out and learn something about reality.
316. Evil Pundit asks:
What is it about Joe the Plumber that puts left-wingnuts into such a paroxysm of fear, rage and hatred against him?
Peter replies: Because Joe, as a mere mortal, dared ask their almighty messiah a question and expected an honest answer.
318. Pete:
Pete replies:- Do you not feel that the Israelis response is disproportionate?
Peter replies back: No. I don’t. Any more than our attack on the Taliban was disproportionate. If someone attacks you, if you don’t want them to attack again, you crush them so they are unwilling to risk ever harming you again.
Was the Allies response to Germany in WWII disproportionate? Was the Allies response to Japan disproportionate.
This may be hgard to comprehend, but War is Hell. (I know, I fought in one.) And sometimes the only way to prevent it from continuing it to make sure your enemy does not have the means or will to continue.
If Hamas is so concerned about thair civilians (which considering they have been starving them out for the last three years while they spend their money on weapons, they obviously are not) then they would play by the rules, wear the uniforms they are so proud of in all their propoganda films, and not hide behind women and children.
Now I understand. You can use a DOD computer while at work and surf the net.
Apparently not one of the liberals can answer me about why the MSM can’t report the true feelings from Hammas, and the rest of the Arabs on how they feel about Israel’s total destruction. You can blame Joe all you want but if the media did a fair job there would be no need for talk radio or any other conservative media.
328. Cybergeezer wrote:
Now I understand. You can use a DOD computer while at work and surf the net.
Peter responds: Who said anything about working normal hours?
Wow…328 posts about Joe having an opinion about the Israel/Gaza conflict. Might I sum up a bit…Joe having an opinion is about 100% more work on the Israel/Gaza conflict than our dear leader Obama. When will Obama wheel out his teleprompter and read his opinion to us? His silence and ineptitude is deafening. I’m sure he’s at the Blair House right now with a big ole chart trying to figure out how to “organize” those Israelis.
Why are conservatives so reluctant to have competent people do a job?
There must be some one else that could serve your needs.
What makes him so painful to watch is his lack of prep and his inability to even think or speak on camera.
obviously a journalism degree does not equal success in that field. One only has to listen and look at Sarah Palin to see that. She should have been prepared for the media and be able to answer questions.
I agree that the mainstream media is not doing their job. There might not have been a war in Iraq if they had been. GW may have been a one term president too.
But really, will Joe the plumber be any different? He has stated his bias. He is not going to Gaza. So why is he any different?
But, why have somebody that is a joke represent you? What must the rest of the world think and say when they know that we have sent an unprepared, plumber into a war zone so we can get the “real”information.
To Jeff Weimer and Peter the SubMan:
Regarding your posts on ‘terrorism’.
Already I see some major difficulties trying to define terrorism. Mr. Sub, your definition is quite interesting…. it suggests that there is no consensus, and it is unclear who or what the ‘terrorists’ might be. Exactly: as I said, terror is in the eyes of the beholder, those who experience it. Mr. Weimer: please look at post #268, it is your own definition that is the straw man. By claiming terrorists can only be non-state actors, you just aim to justify any bloodshed by states. Regarding Palestine, Hamas was actually democratically elected to the government, so by your logic, one could make a case that all that there actions are not outside the state, therefore not terrorist, and therefore for legitimate defense purposes.
Mr. Subway!!! You are conveniently forgetting history. There have been many attacks in the past by both sides against each other…. how can you so steadfastly stick to the idea that Israel only does things in retaliation and Palestinians only do things in aggression? Don’t you realize – it takes two to tango???
I also DARE you to tell me that if Israel had never bombed Gaza before, never razed villages to the ground, never set up border checkpoints, never raided homes and mosques over the past 60 years, then Gazans would still be sending across rockets.
And this prepostorous idea that Israel only targets military targets and not civilians?? Have you not been looking at the photos and videas coming out of Gaza? Look at those bombs. THose clouds and fire. Do you think its possible to keep innocent people from dying? Even those Hamas members that are ‘allegedly’ being targeted (we have no proof of this you see we just have to trust the Israeli military) are trying to hide, offering no defense…. yet the attacks come raining down.
I see both sides. I’m not Jewish or Muslim, I’m not Israeli or Arab. You guys have clearly taken a side – you want to believe with all your heart that Israel is right – and no amount of evidence will shake you.
At #327.
Subdude wrote: ‘If someone attacks you… you crush them.’
OK then. Please put yourself in the shoes of a young Palestinian (say 10 years old) who has no idea and took no part in the history of the conflict.
According to your logic, Mr. Sub-Par, if someone (Israel) attacks you, and you don’t want them to attack again (which, under the present situation, is most probable) then you gotta crush them.
How will you do so?
Say what? You refuse to put yourself in the shoes of a young Palestinian? Therein lies the problem. How come you can dish out the violence but you can’t take it, Subba?
Doctors are talking about the trauma experienced by Palestinians, especially younger ones, as they are witness and are injured by the violence. This is a trauma that will remain for decades, and push them to do otherwise abnormal things in their lifetime. Thanks, Israel.
332. Diane Patyjewicz wrote:
Why are conservatives so reluctant to have competent people do a job?
Peter responds indignantly: Hey, we’re not the ones who elected Obama!
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joe must be doing something right to make stir up lots of silly and immature comments here..
gosh i thought american people appreciate free speech , why trying to silence joe the plumber ? at least he is saying the truth about israel’s side instead of the lies spread around by the whole world’s msm.
yep including my country’s msm. everytime i open news its about the cruel israeli killing palestine childs.. what a bunch of lies
asian
333. Wreckin Crew wrote:
Already I see some major difficulties trying to define terrorism.
Peter responds: Okay, Wreck, which is your definition of terrorism?
A group defined by every civilized country as a terrorist group, who has published it’s manifesto that its ultimate goal is to destroy a sovereign nation and kill every member of a select religion?
Or a sovereign nation defending its citizens against a group defined by every civilized country as a terrorist group?
Cite evidence and explain?
334. Wreckin Crew wrote:
OK then. Please put yourself in the shoes of a young Palestinian (say 10 years old) who has no idea and took no part in the history of the conflict.
Peter responds: You mean the 10 year old who, from the moment they are born, are indoctrinated by schools, family and government to hate jews and fight for the destruction of a sovereign nation? Those 10 year olds?
334. Wreckin Crew wrote:
Doctors are talking about the trauma experienced by Palestinians
Peter responds: But you notice the MS is stragely silent about the trauma the innocent Israelis experience every day when Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization, launches weapons against innocent civilians.
Please explain.
To Peter the Sub Guy
Stop rewriting everyone’s comment! We know what we wrote. Also, at least if you are going have a comeback response to the people you disagree with, make it a good one. I do like a good debate and your responses are pointless. I haven’t found one that you wrote where i could say “wow, he does got a point,”.
Oh Peter the Substitute.
At #337: There you go hiding behind definitions, and ignoring the reality on the ground. I already gave you my definition of terror – it is not a geopolitical definition but one rooted in experience. Sovereignty, by the way, has been long ignored as a concept by Israel when it comes to their neighbors. And by the way, when you say ‘all civilized countries’ (for the time being lets ignore the racism inherent behind the word ‘civilized’), it makes me think of the vast majorities of the world’s nations who have tried to pass UN resolutions to curb Israel’s excessive force. But every time, the U.S. is the only country to veto it. To me it sounds like Israel’s side is in the minority. One glance at world opinion over the events of the last 3 weeks confirms that.
At #338: Peter: you can’t even empathize with a poor kid who knows not between right and wrong? Your hatred consumes you… why do you see every Palestinian as ‘fighting for the destruction… etc’? Most of them are just trying to live peaceful lives, just like many Israelis.
And you would have me believe that the Israeli military does no indoctrination of their own? That Israelis are not taught to hate Palestinians, are not taught the idea of greater Israel encompassing more land than falls within Israel’s boundaries? And unlike in Palestine, military service in Israel is not voluntary. Men have to do it. No choice. That, my friend, is true indoctrination.
At #339: No I think over the years I have seen many reports in the mainstream media about Israeli houses in settlements getting hit by rockets, and also about suicide bombings in Israel (which, by the way, might very well start again thanks to the current military operation). Its just that over the last 3 weeks, those are few and far between.
332. Diane Patyjewicz: You asked what the world must think that we’ve sent a Plumber in to report….. Might I answer that I could give a flying flip what the rest of the world thinks? I’m hoping to get a little honesty about the situation from ANYBODY at this point without it being funneled through the liberal press. Lastly…the U.S. caring what the rest of the world thinks got Obama elected. If that isn’t justification for narrowing down your need to please and pacify others, nothing will.
340. subreen wrote:
Stop rewriting everyone’s comment!
Peter responds: A) I have been asked in the past to cite who or what I am responding to, especially when the comment is very far in the past, so I will continue to do so. If you don’t like it, you are perfectly free not to read my comments.
B) Others seem to think I have good points, so your opinion is just that, an opinion. I will continue to post what I feel I need to post. If you don’t like it, you are perfectly free not to read my comments.
341. Wreckin Crew wrote:
At #338: Peter: you can’t even empathize with a poor kid who knows not between right and wrong?
Peter responds: I cannot empathize with children who, from birth, are taught by a terror organization to hate people based solely on their religion. And I empathize more with innocent people who are constantly under attack by that same terror organization.
If you think the Palestinian people, who ELECTED Hamas as their government (which would be like the American people electing the KKK for President and Congress) are in such dire need of help and understanding, I say what are you doing sitting in front of your keyboard. Go over there, right now, and give them your help and understanding.
Columbia Journalism School?
Isn’t that the school that advertises on match packs?
You wingnuts do yourselves a grave disservice by parading ignoramuses like “Joe the Plumber” around as representatives of the “real America.” Real Americans don’t like to think of themselves as angry, close-minded fools who are out of their depth. Saying JTP is “one of us” is insulting to real Americans. Until you guys learn this lesson, the GOP will continue to shrink and alienate an ever larger portion of the electorate. Note to Roger Simon: We’re not as dumb as you think we are!
The shrill and fervent ad hominems coming from our lefty trolls really show how fragile they are. Such venom! Such intellectual snobbery. They see the cracks spreading across the face of the dam, and realize there’s nothing they can do.
346. SpaceCat;
Take a good look at the Obama Cabinet, U.S. Congress, and on January 20th take a good look at the crowds and U.S. Government representatives; They look like graduates and flunkees from Ringling Brothers School of Carnival. And this is what we look like to the rest of the world.
Peter Submarine, your responses are losing clarity my friend.
You started with political assessments of the situation. But by post #344, all you are doing is repeating the word ‘terror’ as many times as you can, and trying to dehumanize even the child victims of this conflict.
All I am trying to do is to help you understand BOTH sides of the issue… can’t you understand how Palestinian youth might grow up hating Israel given the constant bloodshed? You ‘cannot’ empathize with them? Or you don’t want to??? There is a difference.
There is another reason why your answers are slipping, Brother Sub. This conflict is not about religion. It was never about religion. Its about land. I’ve spoken to many Palestinians… they dont hate Jews, they hate losing their lives, land and dignity to Israeli expansion projects.
Sub-a-Dub: sure, there are a lot of anti-semites out there. Europe, U.S., and in the Middle East too. Fight against them. I think your anger is displaced. Who hurt you? Which of your relatives was in the holocaust? Remember it wasn’t Palestine that was responsible for any of that. I empathize with you and so does the whole world. Now please open your eyes, its 2009 not 1944.
(Oh yeah, please do not equate Hamas and KKK. 1860s United States was a totally different place, and the triple K had a completely different purpose. U know that.)
If the opposition wasn’t leading in the electoral polls, would the Israeli government have launched these attacks?
Neither Joe Plumber nor the mainstream media are talking about this…
Its very telling you sent a person who really doent believe in a free press but propagana.You couldnt find a literate smart consevative?Oh right you dont have any left in the republican party.Heck of a job!
Understanding Islam
“Islam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence.
The critics of this work will claim that Prophet of Doom is offensive, racist, hatemongering, intolerant, and unnecessarily violent. I agree – but I didn’t write those parts. They came directly from Islam’s scriptures. If you don’t like what Muhammad and Allah said, don’t blame me. I’m just the messenger.”
Craig Winn
ProphetOfDoom.net
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_Islams_Terrorist_Dogma_in_Muhammads_Own_Words.Islam
For the PC
“Do not fear being labeled an ‘Islamophobe.’ Winston Churchill was once accused of being a ‘Naziphobe.’”
“Islam is NOT a religion of peace. By its nature Islam is radical, it has no shades.
Most people are simply unaware that Islam is NOT just another religion but a totalitarian political cult-like ideology, which compels its followers into blind obedience, teaches intolerance, brutality and locks all Muslims and non-Muslims in a struggle deriving directly from the 7th century nomadic, predatory, Bedouin culture.
Islam means “submission” to the will of Allah and the teachings as depicted in the Qur’an which include jihad – the genocidal slaughter of infidels by the sword, killing by beheading, intolerance of other religions, as well as forcing submission to Islam. The ultimate goal of jihad is the domination of Islam over the entire world.”
Recommended Resource: Bare Naked Islam
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/about/
There are 3 choices in Islam:
1) Convert
2) Submit to slavery
3) Die
Evangelism isn’t one of Islam’s strong points.
349. Wreckin Crew wrote:
All I am trying to do is to help you understand BOTH sides of the issue… can’t you understand how Palestinian youth might grow up hating Israel given the constant bloodshed?
Peter responds: And I’m trying to make you understand the elephant in the room, the one that the MSM has no interest in reporting.
Do you really, HONESTLY think that, if Israel never retaliated for the attacks on its country and citizens, never defended itself, that the poor little so-called Palestinian 10 year olds would NOT hate Israel and jews???
Get your head out of the sand and take a look at the REAL WORLD!
Palestinians are indoctrinated, FROM BIRTH, that jews and Israel are their mortal enemy. They are shown kiddy programs with Jew-killing rabbits and Jew-hating Mickey Mouse knockoffs that only spout the Hamas/Hezbollah party line, which is “When you grow up there is nothing in this life more worthwhile than KILLING JEWS!” The same kind of indoctrination takes place in schools all over the Arab/Muslim world. And you ask ME to empathize with these trained killers???
You are nuts. And you need to see the real world for once.
Have you ever left the safety of your home country? I have. I have been to the middle east where, if the wrong word was said, I could have been killed just for being an American. I have been to places where they threw rocks at us because we were American service members, but God forbid if terrorists attacked their country the next day because it would have been “Oh, America, help us!”
Try learning something before you go offering your misguided opinions. Visit the real world for a time. See how much YOU like it.
350. Wreckin Crew wrote:
If the opposition wasn’t leading in the electoral polls, would the Israeli government have launched these attacks?
Peter responds: I would think, if your country is being attacked, you would defend yourself no matter who is leading in whatever silly polls.
Joe is not very polished yet. But I see a smart common sense working stiff who could be twice as good as most of his critics given a little experience. His question to Dear Leader was brilliant and went to the heart of what is wrong with the socialist agenda: kill incentive, kill the economy.
Note to spacecat….No one called you dumb except yourself bub. I guess paranoia is another calling card of a liberal egomaniac? Please, if hearing anything from Joe the Plumber offends your sensitive psyche, slink back on over to MSDNC where they serve up a nice, steaming heap of biased psuedo-news each and every day!
Go Joe!!!! It’s about time for a pro-Israel view. I wonder how many of these anti-Joe posts are really anti-Israel? I still can’t understand why so many Jews voted for Obama (the next Chamberlain).
It is absolutely amazing how people like this guy can stay around. He has never contributed to anything except to be disgruntled about Obama. I don’t know if he is a racest or just a fool looking for his moment of infamy. So far, he has been a concerned business man, a self proclaimed right wing watch dog and now a war coorespondent, none of which provided any results but to challange a president who isn’t even in office yet. Joe, stay away from where the big boys play. Maybe Sarah can use you to watch those Russians from Alaska
Why do I keep thinking of the album cover for “Strange Days” by the Doors when I think of the Obama inauguration event? They should put JTP in disguise and have him cover it for Pajamas TV. Interview and mingle with the freak show. Now THAT would be entertainment! Anyway, thanks for putting Joe out there and getting some alternative coverage of the events in Israel.
Wow…. That’s really what all my thoughts are initially reduced to when I read the comments/ hate spewing. The idea that a 10 year is culpable in his indoctrination is more than ridiculous, it’s patently insane. The children have known nothing else, and are products of their poisonous environment. Imagine seeing your father killed when you’re 8, regardless of the larger geopolitical factors, you now hate whoever was responsible. The key is changing that environment where innocents are commonly killed (yes, on both sides, to say innocent people die on both sides isn’t a liberal bias, just so you know.) Something tells me indiscriminately supporting one side while at the same time dismissing all the concerns and protests of the other side isn’t a particularly good recipe for that. I love how some conservatives perceive any reporting or talk of Israel’s bombing as antisemitism and anti-Israel bias. Should the reporting focus exclusively on Palestinian military operations? I know I for one have seen countless features on the news about the destructiveness and terror of the rockets raining down on southern Israel. I mean come on, I definitely empathize with threatened Israelis, but that does not give Israel license to bomb indiscriminately. History tells us it doesn’t do anyone any favors to lend unflinching support. There has to be analysis and even criticism of both perspectives. Anyone remember how the last “blank check” turned out? (Hint: Not so good)
P.S. To the hatemongerer bashing Islam, go back to whatever hole you came from. I’m a Christian, but you’re just an idiot. That’s all I got too. To further argue the point with someone so senseless would in turn lead to my own senselessness.
Stewart:
So what you are saying is, because of the little bit of damage Japan inflicted on the US Navy in December 1941, the US should only have sunk an even number of Japanese ships and everything would have been hunky-dory?
You’re saying that the bombing of German cities to complete rubble was uncalled for because all the poor German civilians were innocent and all Germany did was launch a few V-2 rockets at London, which didn’t damage all that much stuff?
Are you people out of your mind?
I did not say I was blaming kids for their own indoctrination into a violent cult of hate and dispare, but the adults certainly are not doing anything to stop the spread of this ‘killer disease’ are they?
I can remember thousands of Palesintians dancing in the streets and passing out candy when over 3000 of my fellow innocent countrymen were killed while doing no more than their regular day’s work. I’m supposed to feel sympathy for these people now? They elected Hamas, they support Hamas, let them accept the same consequences as Hamas.
Note: The idea of villainizing a quarter of the world’s population just doesn’t seem very productive.
In response to Bush being called a Texas drunk and Sarah being called a bimbo- Amazing childishness. You’re able to still write freely because Bush’s government protected you from terrorist activity after 9/11. 100%. Let’s see Barry’s crew do better than that. And what do you have against female governors who are very popular with their constituents, capable, accomplished, and happen to be very attractive? There are Joe the Plumbers and then there are tools.
Peter: You cite a completely different situation. We were at war with Japan. We also soon decided upon a policy of total war because we deemed it necessary to destroy the Axis. There is a GAPING difference. Israel has to live adjacent to these people whether they like it or not. There is no potential for total war, because total war is not reasonable.
I guess what it also comes down to is my empathy for humanity. I can’t villainize an entire people because of a few terrorists. I don’t see Israel as a villain (they clearly aren’t, they are in an impossible situation.) I just don’t think it’s slanted when reports surface about Palestinian civilians killed (which many posters espoused). Also, Israel doesn’t have the ability to completely occupy the West Bank and Gaza, so it has no choice except to negotiate. I completely support destroying Hamas’ missile capabilities. However, launching an invasion is going to get them nowhere. It will hurt Israel more than help it. Also, every armed conflict involving Israel hurts our reputation more in the Middle East whether or not that is right, that is the reality.
GO GET ‘EM JOE!!!!!
There are some folks in here saying Joe Wurzelbacher has no business working as a reporter for Pajamas media. What is a reporter supposed to do? Chronicle events , arent they? How difficult is it to chronicle events in a war zone? As a former combat vet, I certainly can tell whos shooting at me. Id rather have the honest reporting of a REAL AMERICAN PATRIOT like Joe Wurzelbacher than say a ANTI AMERICAN HATE MONGER LIKE THE BUREAU CHIEF OF TIME MAGAZINE, TIM MCGIRK. Dont forget-MCGIRK sided with our ENEMIES in both AFGHANISTAN(the taliban) and IRAQ-the phony story about the HADITHA MARINES. Too many so-called “journalists” today are reporting IDEOLOGY instead of chronicalling events. Most so-called “media” today are nothing BUT ANTI-AMERICAN PROPAGANDA ARMS. So in spite of the fact that Joe Wurzelbacher may not be a trained reporter, Id find him far more TRUTHFUL than ANYTHING coming out of the rest of the so-called “mainstream” media. Those that criticize Joe Wurzelbacher better remember this-If the OBAMASLEEZE gets his way, you wont have ANY honest reporting anymore with the so-called “fairness doctrine”.
365. Stewart wrote:
Peter: You cite a completely different situation. We were at war with Japan.
Peter replies: We were NOT at war with Japan before they attacked Pearl Harbor. But by your own question, is Israel’s response too much, then you are also saying when Japan attacked us, we shoudl have killed and destroyed only a comperable amount of ships and personnel. All that does is continue a war indfinitely as each side launches ‘retaliation’ for the last strike on its territory.
No, the object of war, when you are attacked, is to make sure your enemy is so badly beaten that they are unable or unwilling to attack you again. THAT is how you end it. If not for the atomic bombs in 1945, Japan was prepared to fight until every last Japanese was dead. And the US would have had every right to kill every last Japanese if that is what it would take to prevent Japan from launching another attack on the US.
Israel has just as much right to defend itself against a terrorist death-cult, and if Hamas is not willing to surrender until every last Arab in Gaza is dead, then that is the fault of Hamas, NOT Israel!
HET ROBERT HURLEY-IF you need nureosurgery Id be happy top send one of your heroes to “perform” it on you. Ive heard the “dr” JACK KEVORKIAN has a few open dates. Maybe hed do the world a favor and do “surgery” on you and a few of your fellow commie heroes. After all, “dr” KEVORKIAN is YOUR idea of “HEALTH CARE”.
don joe,poster # 353-BOY ARE YOU EVER CORRECT. I dont even refer to terrorists as “islamic terrorists”. THE CORRECT TERM SHOULD BE ISLAMIC SUPREMACISTS. OVER 70% OF WORLDWIDE MOSLEMS BELIEVE IN THE IMPOSITION OF SHARIA LAW OVER NON-ISLAMIC REGIONS. That is a SUPREMACIST VIEWPOINT. Go to places like Dearborn, Michigan. MOST OF THOSE MOSLEMS REFER TO THE LIKES OF HEZBOLLAH AND HAM ASS AS THERE “ARMY”. These are Moslems who live and work in the USA. These are the enemies, along with the COMMUNIST ideolgues like NASTY PIGLOSI, who merely hate freedom and will use anything to DESTROY it, including a PHONY RELIGION. The COMMIES have there phony PERVERT HERO MARX and the ISLAMIC SUPREMACISTS HAVE THE PHONIES ALLAH AND MO HAM HEAD. (Funny, but I thought Moslems hated Pork. They seem to have a lot of association with pork products). America must defeat bith COMMUNISTS AND ISLAMIC SUPREMACISTS.
spudskie-POSTER # 358- you referred to OBAMASKANK as the next NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN. Id beg to differ only on one minor point. When world war 2 started, Chamberlain unabashedly stood beside Churchill in opposing Hitler and Mussolini. OBAMASKANK in his own book has said HIMSELF in a crisis he would “stand with Islam”. Chamberlain looks brave next to what OBAMASKANK seems to have in mindless.
All you repubs need to know your role ,just get on baord and enjoy.
I live in Southern California. Lets say that everyday for the past 3 yrs that Mexico has been lobbing rockets with high explosive warheads into say San Diego and perhaps reaching as far as Orange County. They have blown up schools, houses with families in them sleeping, office buildings full of workers, dinging establishments etc. Also, U.S. intelligence knows exactly where Mexico has these rocket launchers stationed and knows the supply routes coming up from deep within South America that are supplying them with Chinese made warheads. How many of these rocket launches and explosions do you think it would take before the U.S. launched a MASSIVE campaign to obliterate this threat ?? Two, maybe three explosions- I’d say by max 10 or one school being struck during school hours that every citizen of the 10′s of millions in the Southern CA area would be SCREAMING that the government use EVERY available weapon at our disposal to silence this threat and insure that it never happens again. Somehow the left wing main stream brain washed politically correct un-educated pagan media cannot comprehend this concept and cannot in ANY way understand that there are actually evil people in this world that want to destroy others. The leftist are immersed in relativism from their years of believing the lies “taught” at the so called institutions of higher un-education. This leaves them with no ability to comprehend fundamental moral arguments or simple concepts such as right or wrong.
P.S. There is NO such thing as a “palestinian” people. This is another myth propagated by the far left un-education institutions. There are Arabs and there are Israelis. You will find NO history of an indigenous “palestian” people- no family grave plots going back 100′s of years, no long family lines known as palestinian, etc. There were Arabs in the land and Israel BOUGHT the land during the zionist movement. The Arabs at the time thought the zionists were nuts for buying worthless desert and maleria infested swamp land for good money- the Arabs willingly sold the land and laughed all the way to the bank. The Israelis (who are VERY smart and ingenious) drained and planted the swamps, they planted trees to soak up the water, they re-planted the forests and the mountains and the land began to thrive- it was previously, largely un-inhabited WASTE land since the diaspora 2000 years before. Read Mark Twain’s impression of the waste land from his visits in the early 1900′s. Anyone with a BASIC education of history would know these FACTS. Most maps over 100 years old say Israel not “palestine”. Most of the so called “palestinian” so called people are sent in and kept there by the sorrounding Arab nations in order to propagate the so called humanitarian myth to the willing left wing media and Jewish hating UN. The average time that the average so called palistinian has actually lived in palestine is about 2 to 4 years. The sorrounding Arab nations have 1000 times the land area of Israel- if this was such a humanitarian crisis- why wouldn’t these Arab nations simply absorb these needy Arabs into their own societies. Another FACT- Israel allows Arabs to vote, to have seats in all government – local, states, etc. , they can own businesses and have all the same rights as anyone else living in Israel. How do you think an Israeli fairs in an Arab nation? They would be shot dead- no voting, no government seat, no business ownership- nothing.
The funny think about the left wing elitist nuts- is that they will be the first ones shot or sent to a gulag when Islam and Sharia law is instituted. My wife survived the killing fields of Cambodia- the first ones to go are the teachers, the university professors, government officials, etc. Its always the same and will be when Islam takes over- look at Eurabia now- the left there is beginning to get scared now as they can see their own fate bing sealed by their own stupid left wing politically correct group think.
Peter sub-man. i once again submit that you are GREATLY OVERESTIMATING the impact of the rocket attacks in comparison to all the other factors in this situation: the Israeli occupation in general, the shifting borders, the daily harassment, the suicide bombers, and especially the Jewish settlements. Its not like rockets are raining down all over the country of Israel, on all its major cities. A total of FIVE people have died from these attacks compared to 1000 Palestinians, over the last month.
You are also greatly overestimating the level of ‘indoctrination’ to the point of dehumanizing Palestinians, even the youngest ones. On one hand, they do experience major violence around them – its not an easy life. I lived most of my life in Asia, homie, its never easy, but the vast majority of people try to construct a happy life amid the difficulties. You are describing some kind of hell where everyone is consumed from hate. Don’t believe the ‘mickey-mouse and rabbit’ hype, homie. There are a lot of horror stories about the Mossad out there too… paranoia cuts both ways… why don’t you set those thoughts aside for a moment?
I am glad you went to the middle east ‘once’. Dog, I grew up in the Third World. Don’t mess with me. I’m from the real world. Untouched by American propaganda until I was old enough to know better.
How come you didn’t respond to my point about anti-semitism?
“Peter responds: No, I am not only concerned with the ‘fake footage.’ I am concerned with the hundreds of real children being killed, maimed and burned and not a peep reported on them by the MSM becuase they happen to be living in Israel, under daily siege by terrorist thugs launching thousands of rockets on them every day for years.”
The numbers that the IDF gives are inaccurate? I cannot find the reports of hundreds (or scores or even many dozens) of Israeli children killed by Gaza rocket fire, and equal numbers seriously wounded of which you speak. Even one child killed by a terrorist or by a bomb dropped from a plane or a missile fired from a helicopter is one too many, I agree. But I do not value Israeli children more than Palestinian children.
“Thousands” of rockets everyday? Again, the numbers the IDF provide are wrong and you are right?
I do not condone Hamas terrorism. But it is not in Israeli’s own interest to kill hundred of civilians in response to it.
The “myth” of a Palestinian people or indigenous Palestine:
In an article entitled, “The Lesson of Palestine,” printed in the Middle East Journal, October 1949, Arab activist, Musa Alami, wrote, “how can people struggle for their nation, when most of them do not know the meaning of the word? … The people are in great need of a “myth” of imagination. The myth of nationality would create “identity” and “self-respect.”
The Arab world has certainly demonstrated great skill in the “myth” of imagination. They have done such a good job that they have convinced much of the world that their “myths” are facts. Perhaps their biggest myth is the myth of Palestine. The Arab world would have us believe that the Palestinians have been in “Palestine” from “time immemorial” but were displaced by the Jews when Israel became a state in 1948. But what are the facts?
While we are not certain of the exact dates, Joshua conquered the Land God promised the Jews in the 13th century BCE. King David established Jerusalem as the capital of Israel around 1000 BCE. King Solomon built the Jewish Temple about 960 BCE. This was almost 1000 years before the beginning of Christianity and 1600 years before the rise of Islam. As Prime Minister Barak has noted, “When Jesus came to Jerusalem to celebrate the feasts, he didn’t come to a church or a mosque, he came to the Temple.” It is not the Church Mount or the Mosque Mount that is fought over, it is the Temple Mount. It was the Temple Mount centuries before Christianity tried to make it the Church Mount and Islam tried to make it the Mosque Mount.
However, not to be confused with facts, in a personal audience I had several years ago with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who was appointed by Arafat, he boldly declared that the Arabs had been living in the Land for 10,000 years. Based on conservative Bible chronology, that means the Arabs have been living in the Land before the Almighty created Adam and Eve.
How did Israel become Palestine and who are the Palestinians? The second Jewish war with the Romans took place in 132-135 CE. Led by Rabbi Akiva and Simon bar Kochba, the Jewish uprising was crushed by the Roman Emperor Hadrian who sought to de-Judaize Jerusalem and make it a pagan city. Hadrian renamed Jerusalem “Aelia Capitolina” in honor of Jupiter. He changed the name of Judea and gave it the name of the Jews ancient enemy, the Philistines. He called it — Palestine.
Over time, Palestine was ruled by the Roman Byzantines (312-637) [Persian interrupt 614-629], Omayyad Arabs (638-750), Islamic Abbassid’s (750-1099), Crusaders (1099-1291) [Saladin the Kurd interrupt 1187-93], Mamluks (1291-1516), Ottoman Turks (1517-1917), and the British Mandate (1917-1948). None of these rulers established a sovereign state in the Land and Jerusalem was never the capital of any empire since the time of King David. Palestine was a forgotten desolate, wasteland, but historical records show there was always a Jewish presence in the Land.
The revival of modern Jewish life in the Land began in the 1880′s with the arrival of Russian refugees from the Russian pogroms. A second wave of immigration, also from Russia, was in 1905. This was followed by later immigrations resulting in a growing Jewish population in the Land. When the Jews came to the Land, they found a malaria infested swamp in the north and an uninhabitable desert in the south. It was as if the God of the Bible had kept the Land hidden away in obscurity until the rightful owners — the Jews returned to claim it.
The Jewish pioneers did not steal the Land from the Arabs. They purchased the Land at highly inflated prices from absentee landlords living outside the Land. As the Jews worked the Land, it began to prosper. While there were Jews and Arabs living in the Land, there were many poor migrant Arab farm workers in the surrounding Arab countries who needed work. When they heard that the Land was prospering under the hand of the Jews, they migrated to Palestine to get work from the Jews. Furthermore, the British allowed many thousands of Arabs into Palestine illegally while barring the Jews from entering the Land. For the most part, the Arab Palestinians are these peasant farm workers and illegal aliens.
“Palestinians” have never been a distinct people, they have never had a sovereign land called Palestine, Jerusalem has never been their capital, there is no Palestinian language or culture, and there is no Palestinian people. It is a myth created after the Jews liberated Jerusalem in 1967.
Before the birth of the State of Israel, Arab leaders themselves denied the existence of an Arab country called Palestine. In 1937, Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi said, “There is no such country [as Palestine]! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. ‘Palestine” is alien to us; it is the Zionists who introduced it.” In 1946, a distinguished Princeton professor and Arab historian said, “There is no such thing as Palestine in Arab history, absolutely not.”
This guy doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. A fake, a tax dodger, a liar, and most of all, a Republican, eewww!!!!
375. Wreckin Crew wrote:
You are also greatly overestimating the level of ‘indoctrination’ to the point of dehumanizing Palestinians, even the youngest ones.
Peter requests: Please take a look at the pictures posted on this web site;
http://www.moonbattery.com/
Under the posting of Shown and Not Shown.
Then try and tell me these kids are not indoctrinated from birth.
376. RP wrote:
“Thousands” of rockets everyday? Again, the numbers the IDF provide are wrong and you are right?
Peter clarifies: Rockets launched every day, totaling in the thousands. At least 6000 rockets over the last 3 years.
…And please re-read post 374 by cmsent. At least he is seeing the whole picture the MSM will not let you see.
Plumbing the depths of the MSM angst!, way to go Joe! note to MSM, all of you move to Kali-fornia, so you can get the best unemployment benefits, but hurry supplies ar limited according to the Governator!
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@ Suba wuba #379:
yeah congratulations. a couple of photo-ops, a couple of toy guns, a couple of kids with face paint. I once AGAIN submit, these kids do not know right from wrong, so dont assume anything about them. If they are such fierce warriors then how come they are so helpless against the Israeli occupation? Because they are KIDS, peter. I know you have kids yourself. Think, homie. What if your land was constantly being attacked by a foreign land? What would you do? What would you tell your kids?… Thats what I thought. Brown people aren’t that different from you.
Living under an occupation. Thats something that Palestinians live under every day. And thats something Jews haven’t experienced since 1945. Colonialism is a terrible thing. Resistance to colonialism is justifiable….. colonialism itself is not.
So unless the occupation and blockade and bombings stop, how on earth do you expect Palestinians to stop responding? Don’t you see that what you call aggression, they call defense, and what you call retaliation, they call attack? Its the same thing on both sides… back and forth…. and its not going to stop until the occupation stops. Do it. If Israel lives and lets live – and yes this is possible in the current world, don’t believe the ‘they all want to destroy Israel’ propaganda – the conflict. Its on the colonizer to pull out. Or, as you advocate, to perpetuate mindless, endless war.
I live in Jerusalem and I for one am interested to see what Joe comes up with. In the past 5 years there have been bus bombings, rockets, even attacks with heavy machinery–that these guys were being paid to operate! A real hero walked into a yeshiva where young boys had gathered to learn Torah and bravely killed 8 and wounded countless others. “Seasoned Journalists” have managed to play this down and turn in into the fault of the “occupation”. Even when Israel unconditionally ripped thousands of people from their homes–many of whom knew no other home and are even now jobless and homeless) the “media” blamed Israel for establishing a ghetto. Did nobody see the beauty that existed before Hamas stormed in to desecrate synagogues and schools and turn them into training areas for killing? They have changed history, brought back antisemitism and surely cause great damage to untold numbers. Instead of sending their kids to school to learn, and better their lives they send them out to blow themselves up. People like that do not want peace, because they are bred to hate. They want total destruction of Israel and all Jews–after that they will start on everyone else. They say Joe was unemployed and they call him a dead-beat–well, so far I only see a man making an effort to earn an honest living. But then, that really is a threat to the “seasoned media” and their minions. Joe, Hashem should bless you and help you find truth.
383. Wreckin Crew wrote:
I once AGAIN submit, these kids do not know right from wrong
Peter responds: And whose fault is that? Certainly NOT the Israelis, whom you seem keen to blame for every wrong in the middle east.
Blame Hamas, blame the so-called Palestinian people, blame their so-called government, the PLA. Heck, why don’t you just go over there andf correct the horrible deed being done to these poor, poor children.
Good luck with that, BTW.
I am not at all sure what is intended by sending Joe to Israel. The entire media community is laughing at him. He did not educate himself on the history of this conflict and his reporting is useless at best.
I would never defend mainstream media but I must say Joe is just not equipped to deal with this situation. He is not doing the conservatives any favors by clinging to the spotlight. He can only hurt the conservative cause by making it appear opportunistic, backwards and ignorant.
Uh, guys, Joe isn’t scaring anyone. Seriously. At best he’s a sideshow. Take a look beyond the close horizons of Pajamas Media, Fox and Rush, and you’ll see that very few people actually know the guy is over there. I hope he digs up some good stories. But what he’s doing so far is like what Jack Germond said about writing editorials. It’s like pissing in a dark blue suit. It feels good and no one knows you did it.
387. JZ wrote:
Take a look beyond the close horizons of Pajamas Media, Fox and Rush, and you’ll see that very few people actually know the guy is over there.
Peter replies: Not entirely true. The Boston papers had big write-ups on him in the last couple of days. I have heard his trip and new job mentioned on local news shows. (Might have been mentioned on Network news, but I’m not sure because I refuse to watch the Network news.) So Joe is getting noticed.
Joe wants to know, and knowing if half the battle.
Go Joe!
Darn typos…
Joe wants to know, and knowing IS half the battle.
Go Joe!
“Journalists and prostitutes face the same challenge: competition from amateurs.”
Keep up the good work Underwears Media! I haven’t laughed this hard in long, long time.
To the Conservatives here…yes, we “libtards” are totally frightened by Joe’s amazing intellectual prowess, just as we were of Palin’s.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep them around. PALIN/JOE 2016!!!!!
When Joe returns from Gaza, he’ll be an accomplished rocket surgeon.
Sean Larabee:
“He can only hurt the conservative cause by making it appear opportunistic, backwards and ignorant.”
Making it appear? How about exposing it as…
Oh, and btw…it’s nice to see Jeff Gannon working again.
“On the surface, their complaint seems to be that that being a war correspondent — among the most glamorous and dangerous of media assignments — requires a specialized journalism background.”
Being a journalist doesn’t require a specialized journalism background. The whole point of journalism degrees is to create a gate to make journalism an elite preserve. Before then, reporters were usually working class who learned the trade on the job. Arguably, they were at least more diverse in opinion and bias back then.
I say give him a chance, its just more news for the public, what the hell we live in a society that loves soap opera and virtual reality shows. Joe do your thing man.
I am not a member of the MSM, but Joe’s work in Israel scares me, too.
I am scared of how stupid some Americans must be to want to buy this “journalism.” Apparently my countrymen are bigger pinheads than I had previously thought.
Joe is a horrid failure as a reporter. It’s like watching a retard wander the middle-east, albeit one with a microphone in hand. I’ve yet to see a reporter more clueless.
I guess PJTV has decided to go all in with an unliscensed plumber as war correspondent.
You are eroding all credibility. You are damaging the blogosphere. Totten and Yon, yes. Joe the Plumber? You have got to be kidding.
@ Mr. Subway Eatfresh #385:
Unfortunately you are the one who is playing the blame game, and in doing so you conveniently ignore Israel’s role. There is enough blame to go around for everyone, and then some. A complex situation like this takes many people, many actions, many mistakes on both sides. I never said that Palestinians or Hamas are 100% victims and deserve no blame. It is you in your ideological blindness you refuse to see them as anything BUT monsters, and simultaneously refuse to see Israel as anything BUT the victims. Such a viewpoint looks very foolish indeed when compared to the events of the last few weeks.
Once again, it is not that you CANNOT see things from the Palestinian side. You WON’T, because you do not want to. there is a difference.
still waiting for a response on my earlier point about anti-semites, post #349…. or should i assume you have none?
400. Wreckin Crew wrote:
Unfortunately you are the one who is playing the blame game, and in doing so you conveniently ignore Israel’s role.
Peter responds: What role? Israel HAS NO role in how the Arabs raise their children. If Israel DID have a role, then perhaps they might have a generation of Arabs who want to do something other than kill jews and wipe Israel off the map.
Again I say, the blame is on Hamas, the Arab parents and everyone, like you, who makes excuses and apologies for terrorist thugs intent on nothing more than death and destruction.
Ans wait all you want for your anti-semitic response. I generally do not bother reading more than your first sentence because you do not have anything productive to add to the discussion.
I think it’s great that Joe the Journalist is critical of other “journalists,” if you can even call them that! Joe you should be on the cover of every magazine!
Yo JOE! (I’ve always wanted to say that since I was a little kid and pretended I was actually LIVING IN the cartoon G.I. Joe). I have a question for Joe: Who was actually the “Joe” character on G.I. Joe? I remember Scarlet, Duke, Storm Shadow… No Joe though. Hey that rhymed!
If I were Joe the Plumber journalizing in Jerusalem I would ask this question: where can I get one of those funny hats?
I hope Joe is able to save those poor palestieans from the evil clutches of the Israely overlords!!! HElp them Joe, you are their only hope!! Maybe, once you have triumphed over the might of the Israelis, you can BRING BACK CRYSTAL PEPSI!!!!!
JOE PLEASE RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012
I also think Sarah Palin would also make an excellent war correspondent in Israel. I would love to see her team up with Joe and take on the gotcha MSM in Israel also!
yeah, and make that perky Sarah Palin yor running mate. Shes spunky!
Joe shall be a certified rocket surgeon when he returns from Israel.
Also I think Joe should go report in those minefields in Afghanistan I hear so much about also.
GIVE EM HECK JOE ALSO!!!!1!!!1!
Congratulations to PJM on this article; Does this make a record for comments?
Thank Heavens!
At least Joe is believable. CNN gives us fake video, Steppy gives us fake interviews and the NYT gives us Hamas propaganda
My bidet has been blocked up for over two weeks because this guy decided he would rather masquerade as a reporter than live up to his commitments!
grievous – just what have you been putting in your bidet? I told you, you have to stop washing your dishes there. That’s not what it’s for!
(formerly Peter the Sub Guy)
Hey Wreck, here’s more news on your poor innocent Arab kids;
The United Nations agency that administers a school in Gaza where dozens of civilians were killed by Israeli mortar fire last week has admitted to employing terrorists to work at its Palestinian schools in the past, has no system in place to keep members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad off its payroll, and provides textbooks to children that contain hate speech and other incendiary information.
AreYouKidding: Joe the plumber is an uneducated, opportunistic idiot. Guess that makes me sound elitist. But hey, like some other posters have said, if the Republicans want to be the party that celebrates people whose grandiose view of themselves outperforms any real knowledge or experience, then soldier on, Repubs.
What a howler! Let’s review: “people whose grandiose view of themselves outperforms any real knowledge or experience…” The real question is this: Are YOU kidding?
Hail to the Community Organizer in Chief!
Conservatives listen up. Your ‘war agains MSM’ is going to destroy you. Where do your future candidates need to go? They will need the MSM. So this kind of thing really engergizes the base. Well guess what? Your ‘base’ is not enough to get you elected in national office. So go ahead. Keep at it. good job
418. Blast3r:
And what happens to the Liberal candidates if, as seems to be happening, in 3 to 4 years the Dinosaur Media no longer exists (at least to the degree it currently does) and the New Media is all that the candidates have?
Does anyone know if they still teach ‘Ethics in Journalism” in journalism school any longer?
Dear Peter the BobbleSub,
@ #402: Ok so its confirmed that you don’t have a response to my point on anti-semitism and I won’t hold my breath. If I have nothing to add to the discussion, they why do you keep debating me? At the very least I’ve given YOU a chance to show off your ignorance, which is a contribution.
418. Blast3r – “War against MSM is going to destroy you”. That comment freely translates into “waaaaaawaaaaa….waaaaaaaaaaaaaa, make those uppity conservatives stop…waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.” The MSM dino’s are doing a decent job of obliterating themselves, just not at a fast enough pace. If we can create a climate to destroy them more quickly, then we should do so.
Keep this in mind – Katie Couric is “definitively stupid.” 99.9% of her comrades deserve the same description.
Dear Peter-head,
@ #416: It sounds like your logic goes as follows: If a Palestinian kid is exposed to material such as hate speech or comes into contact with a member of Hamas, an appropriate punishment for that kid is getting blown to smithereens by a bomb.
I wonder what punishment is appropriate for Israeli children that are also fed tales of hatred towards Palestinians. I’m sure you agree that the hatred between Israel and Palestinians is mutual. You, for example, can barely contain it. What should your punishment be my friend?
Dear Peter-who-lives-in-bubble,
@ #401: Since you are so alarmed about death and destruction caused by Arabs (but not death and destruction caused by Israelis), let me ask you this.
Remember 8,9,10 years ago during that Palestinian intifada when there were a spate of suicide bombings in Israel? Really horrible ones? Well, have you noticed that over the last few years suicide bombings are, thankfully, extremely rare??? These Hamas rockets, meanwhile, are pretty ineffective. Since they are poorly targeted, they mostly fall in the desert and only very few of them have even caused injuries. Don’t even TRY to compare these weak rocket attacks on outlying areas to those suicide bombings that caused so much trauma in Israel (oh I forgot: you don’t live there so you don’t really know, you just imagine the rockets as if they were some non-stop meteor shower.)
So, compared to 8-9 years ago, Palestinian attacks on Israel have become so so much more weaker. That is a good thing. I should say that WAS a good thing. Now, since the Israeli miltary has started to blow thousands of civilians to bits, guess which tactic is back on the table? Guess what Palestinians will want to do in retaliation for their own lost limbs, lost loved ones, and flowing blood in the streets? You guessed it. Suicide bombings. Thereby prolonging the war, and prolonging the hatred.
All for a few votes.
The difference btwn Crane, Pyle, and Joe are that Joe’s a freakin’ moron as anyone who’e heard him speak knows. And you guys who sent him there are even dumber. Here’s a quote from your crackerjack reporter:
WURZELBACHER: you don’t need to see what’s happening every day, that’s my personal opinion, you don’t have to share it. But, you know, okay, you don’t have to see, you know, 800 dead, 801 dead. It’s like they drill that in your head. … They want you to sit there saying there are so many people dying. You know these are large, these are numbers, you know I don’t want to take away from that. Let me, uh, think about how to say that again. Just essentially, they keep drilling it into your head, newscast after newscast after newscast.
I think the military should decide what information to give the media and then the media can release it to the public. I don’t believe they need to be in the front lines with soldiers, I don’t believe they need to, uh, you know, be bothering the military for information or for access to certain areas.
423. Wreckin Crew wrote:
It sounds like your logic goes as follows: If a Palestinian kid is exposed to material such as hate speech or comes into contact with a member of Hamas, an appropriate punishment for that kid is getting blown to smithereens by a bomb.
Peter responds: No, my logic is, if these people (kids, families, etc) don’t want to get blown to smithereens by a bomb, then they not participate in terrorist activity against a sovereign nation. Simple as that. If the terrorists are launching weapons around you, you either stop them or move away.
(And don’t give me the old, ‘But these innocent civilians are trapped in Gaza by the evil Israelis!’ schtick, because it AIN’T true. Most of the injured in this conflict are being treated in Israeli hospitals. Non-combatants are NOT being prevented from leaving.)
424. Wreckin Crew:
Remember 8,9,10 years ago during that Palestinian intifada when there were a spate of suicide bombings in Israel? Really horrible ones? Well, have you noticed that over the last few years suicide bombings are, thankfully, extremely rare???
Hey Wreck, you remember 8,9,10 years ago during that Palestinian intifada when there were a spate of suicide bombings in Israel? Really horrible ones? The Israelis built a wall around them so they couldn’t get INTO Israel to blow themselves (and innocent Israelis) to smithereens. THAT is why the number of homicide-bombings have gone down.
You REALLY need to get a clue, Wreck. Because you are a wreck.
Wreck, you don’t honestly believe these terrorists would NOT still be blowing themselves up if they could get away with it, do you?
What a moron!
Yo Peter-head,
I’m tired of listening to your crap so I ain’t wasting my time with you no more. You seemed like you might have some intelligence in the beginning. But your mind seems to be filled with hatred. Forget the Palestinian kids; I’m worried about your own kids (I hope you don’t have any) for having to live under such a toxic influence. All you can think of is ‘terrorist!’ ‘Arab!’ ‘kill!’ ‘bomb!’ You are not even looking for a solution except for extreme repression. Apparently you haven’t paid attention to history. The most you repress, the more it boomerangs back. The more Israel keeps hurting its neighbors, the more its neighbors will hurt back. Its a cycle, no point in pointing fingers anymore, de-escalation is the only way. But you want to escalate. You want to kill. And you want to maim. Is it your military training? How come you see all Arabs as either ‘terrorists’ or ‘indoctrinated’??? Your hate consumes you.
O Homem que faz a guerra nao tem tempo de fazer o amor.
@ #427: I’m talking about the future. You just watch. After the carnage the Israelis are doing right now, no wall will be able to stop suicide bombings in the future. Its not that I want it; but its inevitable. IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO YOU FOOL. You can’t have the chicken without the egg, and you can’t have the egg without the chicken. If you don’t understand how the effect can subsequently become the cause then you really need to go back to 3rd grade. Actually, don’t. You’ll be a terrible influence on the kids.
Yes to de-escalation. Yes to peace. Your hatred has consumed you, Peter… all you want is eternal war. That’s what hell is like, they say. I’m out.
Oh yeah, @ #428:
Peter, what in your pea-sized brain makes you think that a suicide bomber ‘gets away with it’?? He/she doesn’t ‘get away’ from anything. He/she dies in the process. Duh!
Yo! I’m outa here; Too much Peter-Wreckin’ goin on
Oh Please keep Joe and keep sending him to all these zany locations and have him keep doing his interviews and talking his beliefs!
It is a real good laugh. They couldn’t write it better if it were an actual joke news comedy sketch. LOL
A transcript I just read somewhere:
“JOE: The story here is people are being killed and the media’s slanting it and trying to make it Hamas is, uh, as far as, that Israel’s being bad. Do you believe Israel is bad?
REPORTER: Do I believe it?
JOE: Yeah, do you?!
REPORTER: I’m Israeli, so…
JOE: So answer the question!
Story continues below
REPORTER: No, I don’t think Israel is bad.
JOE: Do you think Israel has every right to protect itself?
REPORTER: Yeah.
[pause]
JOE: You do?!
REPORTER: Yeah.
JOE: Have you said that on air?
REPORTER: I’m just a reporter.”
PLEASE tell me this is real! It is just too perfect in its hilarity! I LOVE IT! Too funny.
429. Wreck of a Crew wrote:
But you want to escalate.
Peter responds: I’m only pissing you off because I’m not aseeing it your way. And I will never see it your way. There is no de-escalation with the type of people we’re dealing with in this war. It’s a case of Us ort Them, and the sooner you liberals realize that, the more innocent lives are going to be saved.
I have a child, a teenaged daughter, who is one of the only kids in her class who see things clearly. 99% of the rest of her class are like you. The poor Arabs are the victims.
My daughter realizes that, should the Islamists ever win (God forbid), you liberals would be the first in line to get your heads detached from your necks, because you stand for everything the Islamists hate about America, except your hatred of Israel.
So I hope you are done with me. I hope I don’t have to read your fantasies on the threads here anymore, because that is what they are. Fantasies. I have de-bunked every one of the claims you have made here over the last few days and I will continue to do so as long as you keep spreading lies and half-truths, the same lies and half-truths being perpetraed by the Dinosaur Media.
Someday, perhaps, you will see the error of your ways. I just hope it isn’t when your head is on the chopping block in front of an Al Jazzera web cam.
Whatever man. Us against them, kill or get killed, eternal struggle, war on terrorism without end, paranoia, Babylon. You are what you believe.
Me, I think positive. Positivity, everything changes, so why not work for the best? I’m no ‘liberal’ homie thats not me, who even knows what that means anymore. I just believe in peace and prosperity. Its really simple. 99% of the world lives in peace right now, only 1% is locked in some kind of war strife, civil war, military conflict etc. Just like the 99% of schoolkids versus you 1% who hold out for this meaningless carnage. There will be no chopping block for me…. don’t make me laugh, thats basically being scared of the boogeyman.
‘O homem que faz a guerra nao tem tempo de fazer o amor’
‘The man who makes war has not time to make love’
434. Wreckin Crew: What crazy metric are you using to suggest that 99% of the world’s population live in peace? Off the top of my head I can think of the following conflicts; Somolia, Zimbabwe, Congo, Sri Lanka, the Togo Rebellion in the Phillipines, continuing conflict in Kasmir, the NWP, Chechnia.
Dear Anton:
count the number of people involved in those conflicts (i.e. dont include ALL of Philippines population).
Compare that to all the other people in the world: 1.2 billion Chinese people, 1 billion Indians (minus Kashmir), pretty much all of North, South and Central America (thats another billion plus), almost all of Indonesia, Russia, Europe, West Africa… (billion plus again…)
Maybe I should revise the number to 98 % or 97 %… what do you think?
This website is preposterous.
People aren’t indignant about the fact that Mr. Wurzelbacker is a plumber – they’re offended by the fact that he’s a clod.
You goofs sent a dumb, uninformed, and untalented American to report on one of the most complex and emotional conflicts in the world. And you think the problem is that he didn’t go to journalism school? You people ought to be ashamed.
Dear Joe!
I salute you for your honesty and bravery!
Your Great performance in new role is another example that Americans are Word’s Number One “Go-Getters”!
You kicked the ass of so-called “professionals”, who are selling their own country down the river.
Keep a Great Work Joe!
Greg
Oh my, how deranged are you people? Joe, as he likes to be called, is doing something that many of you would never attempt to do and all you can do is sit there and insult him? How do you people keep from toppling over every time you stand up under the sheer weight of your giant egomaniacal heads? Get over yourselves already!
So many of you want to disparage this man because of his name!?! He goes by his middle name so he’s a liar! What the heck? Meanwhile, the President’s middle name is considered to be a racial slur unless you are speaking of His wonderfulness. C’mon already! What would you have attacked him for if he didn’t go by his middle name? Would you call him a liar for going by Sam instead of Samuel?
The rest of you want to disparage him for his previous profession!?! Meanwhile, the longest job the man you just elected President ever held was that of a community organizer. Which is a fancy title for rabble rouser!
Some of you feel inclined to call JtP a deadbeat for having a tax issue. Meanwhile the next Secretary of the Treasury just so happens to have not paid his income taxes for 4 years while working for the IMF! Where’s the vitriol? Have you gone to the mattresses to fight the nomination? If JtP is a deadbeat for owing a couple of thousand what does that make Geittner (sp?) for owing over $30K. Are you screaming like mad that the nominee committed a form of fraud when he accepted the reimbursements? He did sign the documents swearing that he had paid his taxes for which he was being paid for.
Where is your indignation regarding the Secretary of State’s husband being on the take? Former President Clinton has received millions from Middle East leaders and now his wife will be the chief deal maker for this country. What? No conflict of interest there?
Where is your intellectual honesty and curiousity regarding these items that I’ve mentioned? No one is perfect. No one is above dissent. No one is above scrutiny. It’s time for you folks on the left to take a dose of reality and see that your Messiah is just a politician. He’s not the Savior. He’s just a man in an expensive suit. Politicians are not to be worshipped and idolized. We on the right are quite fond of Reagan for the leadership that he provided us. Not for the goodies he promised or gave us. Let Obama actually do something before you give him such high praise. For now, all he has done is get elected. While that may be significant because of his mixed racial makeup, that doesn’t qualify him for greatness. His leadership and decision making will do that in due time. So, no more comparisons to JFK, FDR, Lincoln, etc. The man has been POTUS for less than 2 days. He’s still an infant, chronologically speaking.
Funniest shit I have read in a long time…should be a stand up routine…let me paraphrase “Joe” for all of you that can’t think for yourselves.. “..duh dduh duhd dhuhd hudh duh ummmduh dudhu hudhu..”.
Got it now?
I didn’t see this trip, but watched his stimulus bill coverage. He actually does a good job for a beginner, and far better than many pros. He interviewed Republicans, Democrats, gave his own opinion, and asked the immigrant cab driver what he would do if he ran up too many bills and lived beyond his means. If you didn’t know his background, how he caught Obama in a lie and then the entire Democrat machine and the state of Ohio tried to smear him, you would say his biases weren’t nearly as obvious as Charlie’s or Katie’s. Actually, Joe and the cabbie were the only ones who seemed to understand the problem and didn’t answer questions not asked.
i can see why u would be offended. I no i wouldnt like it if some new guy suddenly got his 5 minutes of fame then all of a sudden was asked to do somebody elses job which he has no experience doing in the first place. But it won’t last forever it never does. People get bored and move on and thats what will happen here i bet.
Hey there Mohammed,
Yes, it is true that I’m not a “real” Zionist. You know why? Because in the Bible, God did tell Moses that Israel should protect the sojourners( one that is an alien or outsider) and show compasion to them by giving them the same rights as Israel enjoyed with the understanding that they too will observe and obey the Law otherwise they will suffer the fate of being put to death for disobeying the very Law that was meant to protect them. Well, today, the same sojourners ( Palestinian arabs ) do enjoy the same laws as regular israelis have such as voting, schools, jobs, retirement, vacations etc. but a lot of them choose to be terrorists or vote for terrorists to be elected in office. So, getting to your point, I am not a real Zionist for the fact that I believe that the Palestinians have a right to live in Israel to work, obey and be subjects of the State of Israel and pay their taxes there with the understanding that they have to be productive and not DESTRUCTIVE by enrolling into groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and the likes. God said to have compassion on the outsider, but today we see that the indoctrinated jihadists see that compassion and take it as weakness. They repay that compassion with bombs exploding in open markets, rockets being fired into schools, turning synagouges into bomb factories and the ordinary jew is asking himself” Where did we go wrong? We tought that we gave them what they wanted and here is the thanks for all we did”. On the other hand, the ultra orthodox jew is looking at this and saying” we told you so. We should expell all of them good and bad out of our land”. There is an internal fight among israelis as what to do about this problem. The liberal and moderate jew debates out of compassion and the ultra orthodox jew out of nationalism. They make their points, but there is no consensus as to what to do about the acts of terrorism that occurs on a daily basis in Israel. We all know what consensus and ideology the terrorists have and that is one of No EXISTENCE OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL, but we also know that that is wishful thinking on your behalf. It will never happen. So, I have to commend you on pointing out that I am not an ultra orthodox jew or a hard core zionist. I do believe that arabs and israelis have a right to exist and work side by side in Israel, but Israel as a sole State of Israel in the borders promised by God to Abraham and Moses, not a two state solution that ObamaMama wants to impose on Netenyahu and the jewish people.