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		<title>By: STEVE DUNKLEY</title>
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		<dc:creator>STEVE DUNKLEY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the us public has to wake up before its too late whatever the the draw backs of government provided health care. privat insurance cannot and must not form the the basis of a whole health care system. private insurance companies must avoid covering people who are sick with chronic conditions these people cost too much. the only thing that has kept the the problem of adverse selction at bay is the large risk pools established by empolyer sponsored insurance. but these risk pools are now being destroyed by high costs. employers are dropping cover or offering so called consumer driven health plans which lets be honest offer little or no cover for the young and healthy and are useless for ill. They are basically financial products for the wealthy. The insurance industry is moving out of the health care business because theres no business in it.this will lead large numbers of middle and working class people uninsured the government (dont worry about mcain and obama and their like they are paid by the hsa industry)the state machine will have to extend existing programmes to cover all the ill or your system would simply collapse steve dunkley diabetic receiving pretty good treatment under the national health insurance system of the uk and all eu states.no copays no high deductables</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the us public has to wake up before its too late whatever the the draw backs of government provided health care. privat insurance cannot and must not form the the basis of a whole health care system. private insurance companies must avoid covering people who are sick with chronic conditions these people cost too much. the only thing that has kept the the problem of adverse selction at bay is the large risk pools established by empolyer sponsored insurance. but these risk pools are now being destroyed by high costs. employers are dropping cover or offering so called consumer driven health plans which lets be honest offer little or no cover for the young and healthy and are useless for ill. They are basically financial products for the wealthy. The insurance industry is moving out of the health care business because theres no business in it.this will lead large numbers of middle and working class people uninsured the government (dont worry about mcain and obama and their like they are paid by the hsa industry)the state machine will have to extend existing programmes to cover all the ill or your system would simply collapse steve dunkley diabetic receiving pretty good treatment under the national health insurance system of the uk and all eu states.no copays no high deductables</p>
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		<title>By: pch1013</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/poor_not_dumb_common_sense_ref/#comment-15620</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;Like the trucking industry and the airlines, that must be the first step. &lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Though I shudder to imagine what health care would be like if it adopted the customer-service standards of an outfit like, say, US Airways. Though Kaiser Permanente does come pretty close.

Anyway, the reality is that there will always be some kind of triage in health-care delivery. Proponents of 100% private insurance advocate triage based on ability to pay -- or, to put it the crudest terms, survival of the richest. Single-payer systems are forced to practice triage based on availability of resource. Under both systems, people die unnecessarily.

The only difference is that under the pay-to-play scenario outlined above, only the &quot;deserving&quot; will receive medical care. So who gets to play God and decide who &quot;deserves&quot; to live or die?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>Like the trucking industry and the airlines, that must be the first step. </i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Though I shudder to imagine what health care would be like if it adopted the customer-service standards of an outfit like, say, US Airways. Though Kaiser Permanente does come pretty close.</p>
<p>Anyway, the reality is that there will always be some kind of triage in health-care delivery. Proponents of 100% private insurance advocate triage based on ability to pay &#8212; or, to put it the crudest terms, survival of the richest. Single-payer systems are forced to practice triage based on availability of resource. Under both systems, people die unnecessarily.</p>
<p>The only difference is that under the pay-to-play scenario outlined above, only the &#8220;deserving&#8221; will receive medical care. So who gets to play God and decide who &#8220;deserves&#8221; to live or die?</p>
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		<title>By: cottus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/poor_not_dumb_common_sense_ref/#comment-15619</link>
		<dc:creator>cottus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the kid who sees the emperor with no clothes on, please allow this tiny bit of trolldom.  MOST people don&#039;t get really sick, and usually like to spend their money elsewhere.  But when they do get sick, they either have a nice job with &#039;benefits&#039; (the current euphemism) or they start looking for some free hand - out.  Politicians, ever eager to buy votes, cater to this desire with the added bonus they can tap into the largest pool of campaign cash available, the lobbying efforts of the AMA insurance industry and others. The medical monopoly has driven these costs to astronomical heights by offering us one standard of service - the super duper Rolls Royce and nothing else.    Just look at the efforts of Oregon to prioritize their health care service - shot down in Congress courtesy of the ever present controlling hand of the monopoly.

Break up the monopoly - drive down medical costs. Like the trucking industry and the airlines, that must be the first step. This is the step the whole industry most fears, so it never gets discussed.  It&#039;s Orwellian.

Like the the gun nut who will never allow the government to pry his hand from his handgun, I am never going to allow the government to steal from me so they can pay for the huge buildings filled with beaurocrats, the fat lady at Walmart riding her rambler, the precious young thing practicing his risky &#039;alternate lifestyle&#039;, the demented 90 year old kept alive at any cost.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the kid who sees the emperor with no clothes on, please allow this tiny bit of trolldom.  MOST people don&#8217;t get really sick, and usually like to spend their money elsewhere.  But when they do get sick, they either have a nice job with &#8216;benefits&#8217; (the current euphemism) or they start looking for some free hand &#8211; out.  Politicians, ever eager to buy votes, cater to this desire with the added bonus they can tap into the largest pool of campaign cash available, the lobbying efforts of the AMA insurance industry and others. The medical monopoly has driven these costs to astronomical heights by offering us one standard of service &#8211; the super duper Rolls Royce and nothing else.    Just look at the efforts of Oregon to prioritize their health care service &#8211; shot down in Congress courtesy of the ever present controlling hand of the monopoly.</p>
<p>Break up the monopoly &#8211; drive down medical costs. Like the trucking industry and the airlines, that must be the first step. This is the step the whole industry most fears, so it never gets discussed.  It&#8217;s Orwellian.</p>
<p>Like the the gun nut who will never allow the government to pry his hand from his handgun, I am never going to allow the government to steal from me so they can pay for the huge buildings filled with beaurocrats, the fat lady at Walmart riding her rambler, the precious young thing practicing his risky &#8216;alternate lifestyle&#8217;, the demented 90 year old kept alive at any cost.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allan, that is flat wrong. Private insurers set their rates based on Medicare, not vice versa. ALL my private insurers pay me rates calculated as a percantage of Medicare rates. When MC decreases payments (as it does EVERY YEAR), private insurers follow suit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan, that is flat wrong. Private insurers set their rates based on Medicare, not vice versa. ALL my private insurers pay me rates calculated as a percantage of Medicare rates. When MC decreases payments (as it does EVERY YEAR), private insurers follow suit.</p>
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		<title>By: Mol Dx</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/poor_not_dumb_common_sense_ref/#comment-15617</link>
		<dc:creator>Mol Dx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Allan: &lt;i&gt;I have the solution to fix Medicaid.Start by auditing the Insurance industry.They set the rates that the government pays.&lt;/i&gt;

I think you have this almost exactly backwards. Insurance reimbursesment levels are generally derived from the payment schedules set up by CMS (medicare). Insurance invariably pays more than government for one primary reason: CMS is supposed to get best pricing (although there are exceptions). The only groups authorized by law to contract at less than Medicare rates are Medicaid, which where I live (Tennessee) pays from 10-20% less than Medicare. Many insurance companies (such as Blue Cross/Blue Shield here in TN) are moving to a 100% Medicare reimbursement policy. Medicare has a highly convoluted, involved, bureaucratic, slow, inefficient method for determining reimbursement that is frequently divorced from reality, but it does not put in the prevailing insurance rates into its calculations. (An example I like of being divorced from reality is one of the things I do will get reimbursed from Medicare 4 times higher just 60 miles away over the Kentucky border, even though my costs are the same or higher to perform.)

And interesting enough (for my field), Medicare reimbursement for a lot of the tests I perform have not risen in 4 years. So even though you hear about these dramatic increases in costs, they are not trickling down to the labs.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Allan: <i>I have the solution to fix Medicaid.Start by auditing the Insurance industry.They set the rates that the government pays.</i></p>
<p>I think you have this almost exactly backwards. Insurance reimbursesment levels are generally derived from the payment schedules set up by CMS (medicare). Insurance invariably pays more than government for one primary reason: CMS is supposed to get best pricing (although there are exceptions). The only groups authorized by law to contract at less than Medicare rates are Medicaid, which where I live (Tennessee) pays from 10-20% less than Medicare. Many insurance companies (such as Blue Cross/Blue Shield here in TN) are moving to a 100% Medicare reimbursement policy. Medicare has a highly convoluted, involved, bureaucratic, slow, inefficient method for determining reimbursement that is frequently divorced from reality, but it does not put in the prevailing insurance rates into its calculations. (An example I like of being divorced from reality is one of the things I do will get reimbursed from Medicare 4 times higher just 60 miles away over the Kentucky border, even though my costs are the same or higher to perform.)</p>
<p>And interesting enough (for my field), Medicare reimbursement for a lot of the tests I perform have not risen in 4 years. So even though you hear about these dramatic increases in costs, they are not trickling down to the labs.</p>
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		<title>By: lgude</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like America is in danger of jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I think the Australian system shows a way out. We have BOTH a public and private system. Governments of both parties have slowly learned how to make it work better. What makes it work is competition. The free public system develops waiting lists for elective surgery. Poorer people put up with that.  Others buy private health insurance. If you go private you more control and you end up with a bill - normally in hundreds of dollars for surgery and few days in a private hospital. If the private system gets too expensive people go public. They can do either -their call - even if they have private insurance. Both sides are kept reasonably honest. It is a case of the government setting up the rules so that there is this kind of balance. Labor put in national health and the conservative party tried to ease it out and got thrown out in the 70s. Labor tried to ease the private system into oblivion and failed. The conservatives next time around didn&#039;t try to kill the public system but encouraged people with rebates to take out private insurance while still charging them the separate and identifiable Medicare levy on their tax form. It isn&#039;t perfect but it beats anything I hear proposed in the US. Hint. Single payer means monopoly. Monopoly means no competition. Capice?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like America is in danger of jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I think the Australian system shows a way out. We have BOTH a public and private system. Governments of both parties have slowly learned how to make it work better. What makes it work is competition. The free public system develops waiting lists for elective surgery. Poorer people put up with that.  Others buy private health insurance. If you go private you more control and you end up with a bill &#8211; normally in hundreds of dollars for surgery and few days in a private hospital. If the private system gets too expensive people go public. They can do either -their call &#8211; even if they have private insurance. Both sides are kept reasonably honest. It is a case of the government setting up the rules so that there is this kind of balance. Labor put in national health and the conservative party tried to ease it out and got thrown out in the 70s. Labor tried to ease the private system into oblivion and failed. The conservatives next time around didn&#8217;t try to kill the public system but encouraged people with rebates to take out private insurance while still charging them the separate and identifiable Medicare levy on their tax form. It isn&#8217;t perfect but it beats anything I hear proposed in the US. Hint. Single payer means monopoly. Monopoly means no competition. Capice?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pay $400 per month for my employer-subsidized (but not by much!) health plan. My son, at age 23, has &quot;aged out&quot; of the company plan, but he&#039;s now insured on a $90/month plan through Blue Cross.

As a Navy retiree, I also have Tricare, formerly known as &quot;CHAMPUS&quot;.  It&#039;s a farce.  Tricare pays about 15 cents on the dollar of claims. (Between Tricare and the company plan, I guess we&#039;re OK.)

I&#039;m convinced that there ARE major savings to be wrung out of the costs of health care - and that the government is PRECISELY the wrong people to do it!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pay $400 per month for my employer-subsidized (but not by much!) health plan. My son, at age 23, has &#8220;aged out&#8221; of the company plan, but he&#8217;s now insured on a $90/month plan through Blue Cross.</p>
<p>As a Navy retiree, I also have Tricare, formerly known as &#8220;CHAMPUS&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a farce.  Tricare pays about 15 cents on the dollar of claims. (Between Tricare and the company plan, I guess we&#8217;re OK.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that there ARE major savings to be wrung out of the costs of health care &#8211; and that the government is PRECISELY the wrong people to do it!</p>
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		<title>By: pch1013</title>
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		<dc:creator>pch1013</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;Low cost private insurance plans are now available throughout the U.S.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Medicaid recipients fall into two main groups: poor families with children, and chronically sick and poor individuals. Neither of these groups can qualify for low-cost private insurance.

Which brings us to...

&quot;&lt;i&gt;For high-risk patients with chronic medical conditions, a risk pool like California&#039;s &quot;Managed Risk Medical Insurance Board&quot; would be used to obtain more affordable policies than would otherwise be available&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Well, technically, if a poor person with a chronic disease would currently pay $10,000 a year for medical coverage (if it were available), and would only have to pay $8,000 under the plan, that is indeed &quot;more affordable.&quot; But how about a few more specifics here? &quot;More affordable&quot; to whom?

For the past few years, health-insurance companies have been stampeding &lt;i&gt;out&lt;/i&gt; of the individual-coverage market; what on earth makes you suppose they&#039;d be eager to rush back into it, given the very real possibility their profits would be even more negligible than before?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>Low cost private insurance plans are now available throughout the U.S.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Medicaid recipients fall into two main groups: poor families with children, and chronically sick and poor individuals. Neither of these groups can qualify for low-cost private insurance.</p>
<p>Which brings us to&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>For high-risk patients with chronic medical conditions, a risk pool like California&#8217;s &#8220;Managed Risk Medical Insurance Board&#8221; would be used to obtain more affordable policies than would otherwise be available</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, technically, if a poor person with a chronic disease would currently pay $10,000 a year for medical coverage (if it were available), and would only have to pay $8,000 under the plan, that is indeed &#8220;more affordable.&#8221; But how about a few more specifics here? &#8220;More affordable&#8221; to whom?</p>
<p>For the past few years, health-insurance companies have been stampeding <i>out</i> of the individual-coverage market; what on earth makes you suppose they&#8217;d be eager to rush back into it, given the very real possibility their profits would be even more negligible than before?</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the solution to fix Medicaid.Start by auditing the Insurance industry.They set the rates that the government pays.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the solution to fix Medicaid.Start by auditing the Insurance industry.They set the rates that the government pays.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American people unfortunately believe that the Democrats have the best answer to their health needs.  Sadly, they believe the myth that everything can be paid for if you merely tax the very wealthy a few dollars more.  This is economic nonsense---but it sure sounds nice.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American people unfortunately believe that the Democrats have the best answer to their health needs.  Sadly, they believe the myth that everything can be paid for if you merely tax the very wealthy a few dollars more.  This is economic nonsense&#8212;but it sure sounds nice.</p>
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