Polling Shows Americans Have a Deep Dislike of ObamaCare’s Process, and the Substance
If congressional Democrats think that Americans don’t like the health care bill its leadership has put together, or the process it’s using to push it into law, they’re right. Their leadership is wrong.
A poll conducted this week for the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest-Advance by the Roper organization showed that 65 percent of all Americans regard as unfair the current Democrat proposal to send the Senate health care bill to the president without voting up or down on it.
Democrat leaders are saying that the only thing that matters is passing the bill. From Majority Leader Steny Hoyer:
Do you think any American is going to make the distinction between the process and substance of the bill? I don’t think that any American … any real American out there will make the distinction between the two.
Mr. Hoyer: Americans know the difference between process and substance. And they believe that using the so-called “deeming” process is wrong by a wide margin.
Hoyer only speaks for Democratic leaders when he insists:
In the final analysis what is interesting to the American public is what this bill do for them and their families to make their lives more secure.
But the poll provides no evidence that Democrats will benefit from health care reform once enacted. This claim is based on polling showing broad support for features of the legislation such as insuring people with preexisting conditions and the elimination of caps on coverage limits. But our poll also asked voters about other specific elements of the proposed legislation, and we found that overwhelming majorities opposed key elements:
Eighty percent oppose increasing taxes and cutting Medicare to provide tax breaks and subsidies for people who already have insurance.
Eighty one percent oppose charging healthy and younger people higher premiums to subsidize people who, under the bill, can wait until they are sick to buy insurance.
Nearly 90 percent (87 percent) oppose the creation of Independent Healthcare Payment Advisory Commissions that set limits on future access to care and the authority government will have to determine and what kind of health plans the uninsured can have.
We also asked people about proposals to make health insurance more affordable and approaches to promote better health that are not central elements of the current bill. These include proposals to buy plans that reward healthy behavior, encourage saving and investing for future health needs, and reward future treatments and cures instead of taxing them. Strikingly, voters support these alternatives as strongly as they oppose the main elements of the Democrat health bill.
If their vanguard is united in favor, how dare the mere proletariat object?
When the rules concerning the crafting and debate of legislation are disregarded as in this matter, we can expect other future legislation to take this short cut as well. Legislation, except for the most non-controversial, will move beyond making sausage, to a ruthless knife fight. In the end sausage may be quite tasty, but after a knife fight there is only resentment that leaves the taste for revenge.
This Steny Hoyer? The one who is real concerned about Congressional rules and the $82 billion deficit? Wow were those the good old days!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_1Zr4B_j9Y&feature=player_embedded
Polling Shows Americans Have a Deep Dislike of ObamaCare’s Process, and the Substance
AND, I MIGHT ADD, OBAMA HIMSELF!
If the courts uphold this – all Congress needs to do is ‘deem ‘ whatever they want to inflict upon us all – union members, members of the military, everyone save those in Congress and their minions definitely included with the rest of us. Lets see, 98 % income tax, only 1 car per family – none if you don’t own a home, No meat, no more sports that consume electricity for lighting, no hunting or fishing, no electricity consuming utilities except reading lamps, curfew at dark, only 1 child per twosome, in short, they can deem our entire way of living ( once, the envy of the world ) out of existence. Don’t laugh – they can do these terrible things and we have no options and no vote as we will live in a new Kingdom, ruined by the idiot collective in Washington, led by His Exhalted Grand PooBah, Obama 1 !!!!!
Who do these idiots (democraps) think they are?
It will be a messy grind for sure, but after November we will begin the repeal process to set things back on track. Right after the congressional nut-cuttin’.
Hello! Anybody home at the US Supreme Court? Hello! We have a Constitutional Crisis in the legislature and the executive branches of government.
It seems to me that with two branches of OUR government racing to overthrow the US Constitution and life as we know it, that the US Supreme Court would surely step forward and weld its authority to not only stop this conspiracy, but will issue arrest warrants for all those complicit in the deliberate circumvention of OUR laws and the expediting of the decay of America.
One problem: All laws are enforced by the same slime that the US Supreme Court should impeach. A true dilemma we have never confronted. US Military, what is your 1020? Do you copy?
Should the last vestige of our Republic fail to stop the worthless liberal politburo from breaching OUR freedoms and Constitutional rights, it is safe to say that should we refuse to pay taxes (the teat worthless liberals survive on) the apparatchik drones, criminals and the worst elements of our society will lose their subscription to that smarmy monthly, The Screwing of America, Ten Ways to Subjugate the New Proletariat.
This breathtaking power grab is not orchestrated by a docile and flippant cadre of nincompoops, but by a polished and saliva dripping cabal of hard core revolutionaries hell-bent on crushing this country.
These traitors need to understand that the cost of sabotaging our country invites ones last image of themselves on the glistening side of a silver plated machete that smites their worthless necks.
Why would us ignorant peons not want Socialism? We only saw how well it worked in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe and, still, Cuba and North Korea. Trade our freedom for that? Why does “social justice” require gulags, secret police and such a way of life that people died (and still do) trying to escape it?
He mentions “any real American”….who won’t make a distinction…..has he been dreaming about obama again?
This foul group of treasonous thieves wouldn’t know a real American if one showed up in our White House….it’s been some time now.
Slaughter has deemed ‘deem and pass’. This makes it the Slaughter House Rule? Since we’re seeing how the sausage is made, should it not be the Slaughterhouse Rule? Just wondering…
I have long thought that people with great power actually have very little freedom of action, only a few options are open to them. And with every decision made, those options narrow. It may be apochryphal, but supposedly Eisenhower said, after giving the go-ahead for the June 6 invasion of Normandy, until this moment I was the most powerful man in the West, but now I’m the least powerful. Meaning, I suppose, what happened next would flow from the events set into motion by that decision and the actions of those involved.
If the Democrats consistently pass legislation adamantly opposed to the wishes of the citizenry, they will have crossed a Rubicon, and there will be no going back. They will be forced to remain in power in perpetuity or risk a terrible backlash. That too will force certain decisions. I wonder if that thought keeps rank and file Democrats up at night.
“I don’t think that any American … any real American out there will make the distinction between the two.”
IOW, the ends justify the means. But only a crazed, right-wing ideologue would accuse the bill’s proponents of that, right?
I could have sworn that the same group, or one with sufficient overlap as to make no difference, were the ones screaming that due process has to followed with captured terrorists.
I used to think that those referring to these folks as “Anti-American” were over-the-top. Not anymore.
We’ve been here before, haven’t we? “The ends justify the means.”
Obama is guided 100% by the left/liberal idea that certain Americans have been victimized by our current “system” and this needs to be redressed. The inequality of results in a free, capitalistic market creates tremendous envy and this is the primary engine that propels the “progressive” elites attempt to “spread the wealth”. They conveniently ignore the fact that capitalism is what creates the wealth that we all enjoy according to our ability to obtain it. And if progressives were knowledgeable and honest, they would know that there will not be as much wealth to spread around when the government grows wildly at the expense of the private sector.
I sense that huge resentment is now building in the other direction as the diminishing wealth created by those laboring in the private sector is disproportionately siphoned off by government and the unions that support them.
In rough terms, if there are 60 people working in a factory, there are 25 government people outside the factory – watching them, constraining them in hundreds of ways but not producing very much of any value – who get paid about 60% more on average, receive gold plated benefits and salaries for life. There are another 15 who do not work at all but have their lives heavily subsidized by taxes.
Obama attacks the factory owner and manager with his politics of envy but he hurts the ordinary private sector worker the most. When those 60 private sector workers show up at the store to buy what they need to live, there are 40 other people who put nothing on the shelves but who have the superior purchasing power to elbow them away from the steak counter and over to the cans of spam. When the factory has its taxes raised and regulations increased, the prices it charges go up (and the government workers get a nice cost of living adjustment to compensate). Or, worse, the factory cannot raise prices due to foreign competition so they lose business and layoff some people. And now there are even more people being supported by fewer. This is Obama’s vision for America.
I keep saying there’s an underlying motive here. If the Dems get some form of health care “reform” passed, and the camel’s nose is in the tent, we’ll have a public option in 4-5 years, and the end of the private sector health care for all but the very wealthy in another decade at the longest. That will lead to a vast Federal bureaucracy, with ca. 10 million SEIU members sending a portion of their Union dues straight to the Democratic party. Think Obama outspent McCain? Future Democratic nominees will have 10-20 times the money of their Republican counterparts, all with howls of disbelief that those *EVIL* corporate bastards are allowed any voice at all. Eventually we’ll have one party rule (I don’t think I have to predict which party do I?), which has been the goal all along.
The ONLY bill I pray to see signed by this or any other President is one that deals solely with the massive spending CUTS we must undertake to prevent our country from going bankrupt. These must include REDUCTIONS in the salaries and retirement plans of all Federal government workers. At most, they should be in complete parity with private sector jobs. Then we dismantle many Federal agencies that we don’t need and which impede rather than facilitate the creation of jobs in the private sector. Unless Obama is impeached, such a bill will never happen before 2013, which may be too late to save the country given the colossal spending spree he continues to push while we the people struggle to make ends meet.
Forget about the communist Steny the Whore. Like all commies, hew thinks we the little people are too stupid and too incompetent to know whats best for us. What Steny needs is a big taxpayer foot stuck up his rear end. Him, the Bolshevik Bitch Piglosi and disgusting Harry Greed, need to be run out of Congress and yes the country on a rail. Like a one-way ticket to North Korea, since they seem to have so much admiration for that form of government.
As a physician, I will tell you this will lead to rationing and a shortage of providers. A recent medical poll found that 40+ percent of primary care physicians will consider retiring early or quit all together if this bill is passed. Rather than fix our current system to provide for 10% of population, this bill destroys our system and puts control of your care in the hands of a government (rationing) board. This bill does not “bend the curve down”. They are counting 100+ medicare dollars twice, cutting 500 billion out of medicare, and not counting 200 billion for the SGR fix to prevent 21% cuts to physicians over the next decade. You are paying in for 10 years and only getting 6 years of benefits. All this smoke and screen to keep this under 1 trillion dollars when the fact is this will cost more than 2.5 trillion.
There will not be enough money to care for everyone. If you are 70 and have cancer, you probably will not be treated. Why? Your treatment may run more than 100,000 dollars. How will they be able to justify spending that much money on a non productive memeber of society? They will continue to cut payments to providers and hospitals. If the payments are less than what it costs to provide the service, you simply go out of business. There is no negotiang with the governement.
As a small businessman, you get taxed on your company’s revenue as it was all personal income. Let’s say you need to borrow 1.5 million dollars for your busines and plan to pay that back over 15 years or 100,000 in principle /year. You don’t get to deduct principle or money for operating expenses. This means you have to make 180,000 @ 39% federal and 6% state tax just to pay back the loan. That does not count another 90,000 / year in interest ( that is deductable. This equation holds true for any small business. In this example, Obama thinks you make 270,000 in profit so you are the “rich” and need to be taxed more. The fact is you did not even take home a salary yet.
Small business provides the jobs in this county. This will make it harder for businesses to hire. You will not have physicians as they will not be able to go to school and pay back the loans, let alone make a living.
We can and must do better than this!