Politics and the Schizophrenic’s Language
It’s now a major secondary story in the Giffords shooting: who or what’s to blame for the carnage? It began almost as soon as the story broke, when fingers were pointed quite prominently even before anything was known about the shooter except that he was a young man, and that he had been taken into custody.
The anti-gun contingent sprang to action almost immediately, as did the anti-Palin faction and a particular loud-mouthed Democratic sheriff, in marked contrast to the pleas from the MSM and the left for verbal restraint in speculating about the motives of the Fort Hood killer.
Almost all the blaming in the Giffords shooting comes from the left against the right. And this despite the fact that Giffords, a Blue Dog Democrat, could just as likely have been a political target of either side, since she stands roughly in the middle.
It would be easier to judge the finger-pointers as impartial if they were equally incensed against rhetoric and images from the left as from the right. A display of evenhandedness would at least serve to establish some sort of arguable sincerity. For example, when campaigner Obama advised supporters to bring a gun to the fight if the opposition brought a knife, wouldn’t he have been to blame, too, for upping the ante?
Or do mere words lack the power to ignite acts such as Saturday’s shooting? (If one is to believe a friend of Loughner’s, the killer himself thought that “words mean nothing.”) And if mere words have no such power, what does?
I don’t pretend to have the answer to what motivates violence of this sort, except to say that it is highly unlikely to have a single cause. But common sense tells us that many if not most of such shooters are propelled by primarily private demons. Yes, they are not isolated from societal influences in general, and words of political rhetoric are part of that. But such words are hardly the only part, or even a major part.
Was this a politically motivated assassination, anyway? Giffords was indeed a political target, but she was hardly a major political figure. Politicians in general have a special visibility, something they share with celebrities (think John Lennon and Andy Warhol), and which can make them targets for the homicidal crazies among us, and not always for primarily political reasons.
Political assassins tend to be of two types: the first is the coldly calculating killer (or co-conspirators) motivated by a strategic move for power and/or a political vendetta, and the second is the lone crazy person. Some, such as Lee Harvey Oswald and Sarah Jane Moore (remember her?) inhabit territory somewhere between the two (they also happen to inhabit territory on the left, a fact most leftist commentators tend to conveniently forget).
The first group do have primarily political motivations, but they are highly unlikely to have been motivated or even affected at all by casually inflammatory rhetoric. Their provocations are of a deeper sort.
How often have this first sort of killer or killers been behind political assassinations in the United States? Well, it depends who you ask; Kennedy conspiracists are adamant that such plotters were behind Oswald, and if theories about the mob’s involvement in the 1933 Mayor Cermak slaying are true, that would be another example of a group effect. Lincoln’s assassination featured a number of Confederate sympathizers who worked together and planned to take over the government, as well.
The left is out to demonize good Americans – again….. How do they do it…. watch this , start with part 2…. get answers here- http://www.marcrubin.com/dada2.ivnu
Well said, Neo. It’s sad to see Americans – yet again – using a common tragedy as an excuse for attacking each other. So many people seem to lack any sort of self-awareness, the ability to stand outside themselves for a moment and watch their own behavior and hear their own words. If they did, they’d see very little difference between their own heated rhetoric and that of their political opponents. Even then, they would probably claim that THEIR rhetoric is fully justified while everyone else’s is inflammatory lies.
I’m afraid it will take something worse than the Tucson shootings to shock people out of their self-centeredness and force them to see the harm they’re doing to themselves and their country.
Remember Charles Manson? He was inspired to send his crew out to kill based on the Beatles song “Helter Skelter.” The song is about kids playing on a playground slide. The “Son of Sam” killer got his marching orders from his neighbor’s German Shepherd.
Crazy people are quite capable of finding their inspiration wherever they look.
Funny you should mention Manson and Berkowitz together. Read “The Ultimate Evil” by Maury Terry and then tell me that Manson was inspired by a Beatles’ song, or that Berkowitz got his orders from a dog. That’s a serious oversimplification of a very complex story.
I believe that The Process Church was involved in both sets of murders; and, yes, I’ve read all the excuses and so-called “debunking” of that theory, but they don’t answer Terry’s excellently researched book – not in the slightest.
Eric Holder issues memo calling for more restrictions on talk radio in wake of Arizona shootings, read his memo here… http://beautifulletters-bls.blogspot.com/2011/01/eric-holder-addresses-legal-issues-of.html
Uhh, that letter is supposed to be satire, not reality. In fairness, the line between satire and reality is getting pretty fuzzy these days.
“It’s sad to see Americans – yet again – using a common tragedy as an excuse for attacking each other.”
the truth is power crazed leftists are attacking middle America.
If the information on Fox News is correct, he worshiped Lucifer, and was kicked out of school for scaring folks that he might go postal. I don’t know what is in a Lucifer worshiping book, but I am willing to bet there are words like murder, and lie in it.
Those who follow LaRaza state the southwest should be taken back. That is strong wording. Also, CAIR wants to see the Constitution be replaced by the laws of Allah the moon god. More strong wording.
I doubt we can stop the lone nut case, but this country sure can put an end to any group calling for any type of destruction of America.
We can start with the above stated two groups by using military courts in a time of war.
I think that crazy people can be motivated to do crazy things by almost anything – dreams, movies, and perhaps words. Only crazy people can tell us what motivates them. But if words can do it, then whose words? Could something that Gabrielle Gifford said as part of a defensible political position, have for some reason inflamed Mr Loughner? I don’t think so. Or something said by a political opponent of Mrs Gifford? I don’t think so.
As far as I know there is no demonstrated link between normal political rhetoric from either right or left and this shooting. President Obama should have told everyone to stop trying to politicize this shooting. He should have said this was a crazy violent act that is awful and tragic; period. The President could have pointed out that any political damage done by this moon bat was to democracy and the vigorous exchange of different political opinions. He could have said that people must continue to freely articulate different political opinions and ideologies because that is a big part of freedom.
In my opinion, instead of guessing, we should ask all the nutters what really are the things that motivate them in a properly designed questionnaire.
Jared Loughner believe the government was controlling minds by controlling grammar. Perhaps his high school English teacher is to blame for his murders.
Or perhaps this is a senseless tragedy caused by a paranoid schizophrenic.
I think it was George Orwell who posited government control through semantics in “1984″.
Clear to me that the relentless, unhinged tirade of hatred from the Left, and their lapdog, suckling media, has created another tragedy. And they make a circus out of any infraction of their own, that commits any crime.
It IS a tragedy, but will get the ultimate publicity because a Democrat was involved.
Here is a good example of their idea of BIPARTISANSHIP.
#9 Cybergeezer – Agreed! The Left’s Hateful Rhetoric and Hatefull Bigoted ‘Vitriol’ against America, Israel, Our Government, Palin, Former President Bush, FOX News, Rush, Sean, Radio The Tea Party etc etc… and all those who don’t agree with them should stop! If the Left doesn’t stop their vitriol we could have ‘violence’ in the future.
They could start with Sheriff Dupkin of Tuscon, AZ. What ever happen to having the facts before you point the guilty finger Mr Sheriff Dupkin ?
VITRIOL is a mainstay of the suckling American main stream media. Vitriol sells news; That’s their only interest. The “Bottom Line”; Cash!
Insane people have been a part of humanity since history began; modern medications can control some forms, but the instances of insane people wreaking havoc is rare. To rail on and on about this case and yet not even mention the murder rates in big cities is hard to justify. For example, thirty people were murdered and some even beheaded by non-insane drug gangs this weekend in a favorite vacation spot for Americans, Acapulco, yet that didn’t even make the front pages.
Like a horrific accident, a mass murder committed by a man who was severely delusional is sad and tragic, but must it be the excuse by anyone to slander innocents? Have we as a society no basic respect for our fellow Americans and no self-respect? Has no one suffered from slander in his/her own personal life? Is it okay to kill a person’s reputation and good name?
Shakespeare in the play Othello : He who steals my purse steals trash; tis his; twas mine and has been slave to countless. But he that filches from me my good name takes that which not enriches him, but leaves me poor indeed.
Mother Jones has an excellent article about the shooter’s descent into psychosis, and notes his obsession with Gifford started in 2007.
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What did the left think was going to happen when they began making baseless accusations and all of their transgressions came to the surface quickly? All the hate they have spewed rose to the surface pretty quickly and the left again confirmed what many already believe that they are an irrational, bitter bunch.
I guess one can argue it is words that kill in a sense when they are part and parcel of propaganda that is false and yet angers people along murderous or even patriotic lines; in the case of the WMD’s in Iraq, we killed people out of a sense of patriotism and self-defense yet some took the act of the invasion of Iraq to be that of a madman based on fairy tales. Doesn’t putting bullets in the bodies of other people always have a tinge of madness to it even when it is in a “righteous” cause such as WW II?
I have read that, besides being expensive to use bullets, Nazi soldiers became troubled when asked to murder Jews face to face and that Israeli soldiers were troubled when asked to push Palestinian Arabs out of their homes in 1948.
A documentary from a few years ago called “Flipping Out” is about troubled Israeli soldiers, some 20,000, who go to India to get high and escape the thought of what they had to do in Israel and some 10% “flip out”.
Words can be said to kill in the case of 9/11 when you read endless stories in the middle eastern press for years such as 2 stories that appeared in Cairo’s Al-Ahram Weekly this year wherein a case was made that the Israelis are behind the Somali pirates and other nefarious deeds around the Straights of Hormuz in a multi-page article as well as one that said that Israeli medical teams went to Haiti after the earthquake to harvest organs. Al-Ahram Weekly is a mainstream weekly.
The bombing of the Two Saints church in Alexandria, Egypt a week ago was supposedly motivated by the story of two Christian women who had converted to Islam to escape their husbands and were being held captive in the church. The sad Facebook page of a young woman killed in the blast had a political cartoon posted on it that showed Israel and Uncle Sam cackling while Egyptian Christians and muslims fought in a boxing ring. It was posted by a young man who is a curator in training at the National Museum in Alexandria.
I think we make a distinction that posits that it is lies that kill as the words that informed America of the bombing of Pearl Harbor and motivated men to enlist simply reflected an actual event. Israelis cackling over bombings in Alexandria and stealing organs in Haiti are lies which reflect hateful anger and also a form of cultural madness every bit as real as the troubled mind of Loughlen.
Somewhere in between in all of this is the death of one of the 6 killed by Loughlen, Judge Roll, who enabled a lawsuit to go forward against an Arizona rancher by 16 illegal aliens because he illegally detained them on his large and continually damaged ranch that angered many as the suit seemingly made a larger argument that our Constitution is a suicide pact only fit to be used against us when it comes to the Third World, administered by madmen who ignore the illegal in illegal alien on a consistent basis, even to the point of treating them in a mad reverse manner as citizens who can sue real citizens for their own criminal behaviors without punishment and with reward in the way of protection under our laws and also monetary gain and also get us to pay for their education.
Without a doubt this lawsuit was seen as an act of madness by many and Judge Roll had to have 24 hr. bodyguards for some weeks because of threats. But for one to overreact and kill over such an incident reminds us that controversy is deadly usually in direct proportion to how a troubled a mind is as we ourselves view muslims who kill over cartoons as a people who are unhinged. The problem comes when governments allow acts to take place that anger those in a democracy not only because of the acts themselves but the seeming lack of a way to democratically fight them.
In the case of illegal aliens, Americans are on the sidelines, allowed to do nothing but watch as our own government allows and therefore insists on wholesale demographic prostration by European Americans who are handcuffed by words like “racist” and “profiling” which are themselves at the very least disingenuous not to mention having law itself taken out of their hands. This has led some few Americans to take a citizen’s arrest approach which will get nowhere but is an indication that people are truly fed up with our government which many view as Orwellian to the point of madness.
The question itself becomes colored in the light of the history that shows that entire cultures can be tinged with madness – government, soldiers and citizens, as in the case of swaths of Islam. 50,000 people showed up in Karachi, Pakistan this week to celebrate the man who assassinated a Pakistani provincial governor who was against laws that made insulting Islam a capital offense.
Or there is this tidbit from Joseph Massad in this week’s Al-Ahram Weekly: “…a wider role for US imperialism in the country (Egypt) — as if what the US has brought about in Egypt in the last three decades (in terms of massive enrichment of the rich and impoverishment of the poor, de-education, destruction of Egyptian agriculture, gargantuan corruption and theft of public funds, economic dependence, and diminishment of Egypt’s regional political and military role, not to mention the US hand in the ongoing sectarianism)”.
It all our fault and yes words do kill.
Madness and its murderous imperatives are seemingly in the eye of the beholder.
Ya know … This is where I draw my sword in the sand. I have HAD it. Here we have yet another psychotic NOBODY killing a whole lot of good, decent people, and what does the Left do? They blame the rest of us (i.e., those who do not share their anti-everything-we-have-been-raised-to-believe-in view of the Universe) for the death of innocents. I cannot stand this crap anymore! I mourn the loss of the shooter’s victims, even as I detest the Liberal partisans who would make hay out of this atrocity.
THEY HAVE GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME.
I want .. to see .. these leftist pigs .. hanging from a PIKE. It is THEY who condone the wholesale slaughter of innocents — including OUR OWN PEOPLE. Yes, you know exactly what I am talking about. (Remember the New York Times’s articles that EXPOSED the American government’s attempts to defeat the Islamist money networks?). Oh, yes. I remember. And I will ALWAYS remember the New York Times and their treachery.
My prayers go out to the victims of this senseless mass murder. What a cruel day. I cannot imagine the grief the surviving loved ones are going through, at this very moment, as I type these words. How do we get our minds around such barbarity? Should we even seek to? My heart especially goes out to loved ones of the child, nine years old, whose life was stolen from them (but NOT her soul — oh, no, not her soul — her soul is in good keeping, and will be forevermore).
I pray to God that the congresswoman survives, and that she is blessed to return to her duties.
But that said, I AM DISGUSTED to my very core, by the response of the political Left to exploit this horrific tragedy.
I will not forget. And I will not forgive. That is not for me to allow.
Apparently the left’s talking points have made it into space where Scott Kelly also thinks that words can kill where he said, “These days, we are constantly reminded of the unspeakable acts of violence and damage we can inflict upon one another, not just with our actions, but also with our irresponsible words.”
Space station commander Scott Kelly’s identical twin brother, Mark Kelly, is married to Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2011/01/10/news/doc4d2b470bba63a800701579.txt
Do mere words have the power to ignite acts such as Saturday’s shooting?
NO.
Mayhem in Tucson III: The Truth about Jared Loughner
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”
Those words were not spoken by alleged Tucson shooter Jared Loughner nor by Sarah Palin nor by Glenn Beck but by presidential candidate Barack Hussein Obama at a town hall meeting at Radnor Middle School in Wayne, PA on June 14, 2008: “That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks . . . Because [as Obama said] ‘from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl.’ “
Then, to show he found humor in using guns, Obama added, ”I’ve seen Eagles fans:” http://tiny.cc/34yhm. His comments evoked laughter and applause since, after all, isn’t the use of guns amusing?
If not amused by the massacre at Fort Hood by Nidal Malik Hasan on November 5,2009 then President Obama cautioned the nation not “to jump to conclusions” over that mass murder by a Muslim since, after all, he was a Muslim.
Obama’s mass mainstream media quickly jumped to a slew of conclusions and accusations in the Tucson aftermath blaming everyone from Palin to Beck to Fox News. Virtually all of the MSM conclusions and accusations have been defamatory and premature–and erroneous.
The president’s MSM never lets facts stand in the way of a good smearing interlaced with good lying. That media can be forgetful, though, as with Obama’s gun joke or as with ousted Arizona Democrat Rep. Harry Mitchell’s 2006 campaign ad depicting Republican J.D. Hayworth in the crosshairs of a rifle sight or as with the 2008 display of Sarah Palin hanging on a noose in front of a West Hollywood house.
They can be so very forgetful, so intentionally, demonically forgetful.
Not that the MSM will feature, or even cover, it but the truth about Jared Loughner is beginning to seep out. Why report truth when partisan fiction is so much more productive and satisfying?
Loughner’s fellow students at Pima Community College know that truth well, know well that he was expelled and recommended for a mental examination for causing a variety of disturbances. Classmate Caitie Parker tweeted that he was “left wing, quite liberal” in 2007 and known to be a reclusive “anti-flag pothead” who liked Jimi Hendrix and . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=3371)
Yep! Obama threatens his opponents with a firearm, and there’s not one protest. But we can’t call him names without persecution and prosecution.
2nd amendment for him; No 1st amendment for us.
You see; The Constitution gives him the right to say what he wants to do to us, but, ‘We The People’ cannot use the Constitution to say what we want to do to him.
It’s nice to be king.
Muslim terrorists here Muslim terrorists there Muslim terrorists everywhere but moonbats tell you not to jump to conclusions and to believe they are all ‘lone nuts’ and that Islam has nothing at all to do with it. Despite the huge amount of evidence not least their OWN words which PROVE that it has.
Now a real ‘lone nut’ commits an atrocity and shoots a Democrat Congresswoman AND a Republican Judge (mmm funny the moonbats dont seem to want to talk about him) and the Lame Stream Media and all the left wing moonbat talking heads are convinced that Talk Radio , Conservatives and the Right Wing are totally to blame. With NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.
This is why America is going to the dogs.
So, we have just another garden variety “Son of Sam” killer: I was expecting another “God Is Great” killer, perhaps a current or former major in the army, a professional psychiatric back ground, and reported prior contacts with active Islamic terrorists in the middle east for research into sudden jihad syndrome. I was looking forward to the pentagon report explaining the incident away in Arizona as just another example of “work place” violence, or “going postal” in the local Safeway market. Life is so unpredictable; the shooter was a schizophrenic self medicating hop head; it was all the Tea Parties fault.
Here we go again.
It’s now a major secondary story in the Giffords shooting: who or what’s to blame for the carnage?
I think it’s simplistic to ask that question. Like figuring out the one, specific cause of a car crash – odds are a few things went wrong. Perhaps if the driver wasn’t speeding he wouldn’t have lost traction. If he had seen the car coming at the give-way sign he might have braked early and not swerved violently before losing traction. If a third car hadn’t been the next next lane there might not have been a clip that caused him to spin. If the tree hadn’t been right where it was, he probably would have driven away. So … what’s to blame for the crash?
Trying to boil it down to something that singular and simplistic is disingenuous. It means you can say that if heated rhetoric wasn’t 100% responsible, then it was irrelevant. That’s obviously not sustainable.
Obviously this guy is a nut. But it’s ALWAYS the nuts. A sane person wouldn’t have done something like this at all … but it also might never have occured to a nut without 24/7 anger and divisiveness on TV. We’ll have to wait to find out what gave him the idea.
Even if he comes out and says “I did entirely for glenn beck because he convinced me that liberals want to destroy america”, then the fact will still remain: he’s nuts. But on the other hand …
The anti-gun contingent sprang to action almost immediately,
Hardly surprising. They don’t like guns. Guns kill people, and it really annoys them that guns are so easily obtained for that purpose with nice big magazines to sustain fire rates.
as did the anti-Palin faction and a particular loud-mouthed Democratic sheriff,
Actually, I think you’re giving the loud-mouthed sheriff a bad rap. He has blamed heated rhetoric and bigotry – to the best of my knowledge he HASN’T blamed one side of politics or the other, let alone any individual’s rhetoric or bigotry. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. He’s also quite obviously not just talking about this one incident in isolation. The fact that everyone (especially the right) assumes he’s talking about the right (and palin in particular) … well, that’s just interesting.
in marked contrast to the pleas from the MSM and the left for verbal restraint in speculating about the motives of the Fort Hood killer.
Agreed.
Almost all the blaming in the Giffords shooting comes from the left against the right. And this despite the fact that Giffords, a Blue Dog Democrat, could just as likely have been a political target of either side, since she stands roughly in the middle.
It’s possible.
It would be easier to judge the finger-pointers as impartial if they were equally incensed against rhetoric and images from the left as from the right.
It’s not just “rhetoric”. It’s a particular kind of rhetoric, and it’s coming in very large part from the mainstream. Bush copped a fair bit of stick, but he didn’t cop abuse on the floor of congress. Dan rather had to resign over bush’s service record – but glenn beck claims that the president is a racist and murdoch think’s he’s doing a great job. The left also doesn’t rely anywhere near as much on evocations of gun violence.
A few online retailers have just had to remove merchandise which show things like a cross-hairs over a bullet-riddled red-white-and-blue donkey and a tagline of “liberal huting license – no bag limits”. THAT is something the right pretty much has to itself. By comparison, the left comes up with “regime change begins at home” and giant papier mache heads. Moonbats accuse others of bloodshed. Wingnuts imply the threat of bloodshed. That’s just impression.
For example, when campaigner Obama advised supporters to bring a gun to the fight if the opposition brought a knife, wouldn’t he have been to blame, too, for upping the ante?
Is that what he did? Show me the transcript. Not just that one sentence, but what came before and after. I got the impression from what IS available that it was a joke about the temperament of crowd he was speaking to, not “advice” to go shoot somebody, or even carry a gun. But I have posted a couple of times alread that I think it was he-man garbage. It was inappropriate. But it was way down the scale from “second amendment remedy” and “take harry reid out”. At least acknowledge that.
But political points aside, what is the possible role of heated political rhetoric, be it on the left or the right, in motivating violent acts such as Loughner’s? It’s entirely unknown, but there’s no particular reason to believe such speech is especially influential.
So why do we worry about hate preachers on either side of politics? Why do we worry about muslim firebrands influencing the minds of the young, marginal and slightly messed-up? Why was nixon so worried about timothy leary? Why was mccarthy so worried about communists in the movie business? Why were lord haw-haw and tokyo rose prosecuted? The history of the civil rights movement suggests that words really CAN have an impact. Whether or not they did in this case, we’ll have to wait and see.
But in the meantime, why is the right working so hard to argue the case that there’s no reason to “take it down a notch”? Obviously a lot of people genuinely think so – over 200,000 of them turned up at a rally in washington to make that very point. It’s NOT just the right who copped it that day. So how about it? Why’s it such a problem for the right to just agree that things are getting ridiculous and tone it down a bit?
At the very least, it would be treating voters with some respect.
Let me get this straight. The unhinged left is foaming-at-the-mouth enraged against the right, shrieking their hatred over an incident that ANY objective observer can see was caused by a mentally-ill person who can’t fairly be placed on either the left or the right politically, and you think the right has to “tone it down a bit?” Are you crazy? Get the left to start actually thinking and to stop screaming, then we’ll talk.
Good work with pretending it just started this week.
Uh, that was the point. It did NOT start this week. The left has been foaming at the mouth for a good many years, now, falsely blaming talk radio for violence and mayhem, while at the same time calling for what? Violence and mayhem against conservatives.
In the future, if you can’t be intelligent, be brief. Thanks for reheating the MSM’s talking points though. We might have actually missed them. (rolling eyes).
Thanks for being brief.
Cute.
Dude, slip over to Big Hollywood for a nice selection of Liberal hate quotes.
Is Jarad Lee Loughen the new Lee Harvey Oswald? Click my name and judge for yourself.
Loughner
The ability to comprehend metaphorical statements in the context they are made is a sign of sanity. A measure of sanity.
To the insane, metaphors become reality. The sane easily distinguish between simple metaphor and reality.
The insane latch onto a metaphor and tie reality to it. The sane use metaphor to describe reality, and are less likely to allow a metaphor to distort what is real.
Do words and language add to or induce the afflictions of the insane? Of course. All words are a form of metaphor, use of simple words easily linked to what is real, simple grammars that clearly relate subject and object, these ease the troubled mind.
A more complex metaphor, or use in a complex of grammar can and do trigger schizophrenic episodes and psychotic breaks just of with words.
Incessant use of unreal metaphor in a culture will and has induced cultural insanity and a higher incidence of individual psychotic breaks.
When I say that much of the Muslim world is trained towards madness by the unreal metaphors and logics of the Koran and the body of texts derived from it who will be able to accept that observation?
And when I say that in the Western World, in America today, the language and words of the Left and the Elite are full of unreal metaphor, ungrounded and false analogy, who can accept it?
Yet these observations I have made and I note that nothing distinguishes Jared’s ecstatic bliss of a face in his mug shot of yesterday, from that religious fervor of a blissful face shown on so many Muslim Jihadis recorded for their memorials, ready to commit his or her precious and pre-planned act of heinous terror.
It is not the words of Constitutional conservatives and Judeo-Christian moralists which bear insanity in their metaphors!
Yes words and their usage do matter. Let us on our side CONTINUE to use them as we have been, with grounded sanity.
Well said. It is characteristic of the left to not understand metaphors (such as “lock and load”), while calling, metaphorically AND literally, for killing people who disagree with them.
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While listening to the Left’s sanctimonious condemnation of conservative media for allegedly influencing political violence, and the anguished hand-wringing over the supposed recent decline in the quality of political discourse in this country, it’s hard to forget Alec Baldwin’s December 1998 tirade on “Late Night with Conan O’Brien”. Recall that Baldwin regaled a wildly cheering audience–an audience he attempted to quiet so that he could continue his rant–with the “humorous” advocacy that entire families of those involved in judicial proceedings against Bill Clinton be murdered in partisan mob violence. Big joke, eh Amigo?
Baldwin, of course, having rung the bell, later invoked the progressive King’s-X of an “apology”.
I wonder whether those in the wildly cheering O’Brien audience that night are among the chorus now lamenting the claimed excesses of conservative media, the Tea Party, etc., or whether the whole sordid Baldwin episode is just another hypocritical inconvenience to them.
Wow. You’re going back 12 years and digging up the idiocy of a crap actor on late night TV to counter a congressional candidate saying “the first thing we need to do is take harry reid out”.
“You’re going back 12 years and digging up the idiocy of a crap actor on late night TV…”
Don’t try and paint Baldwin as some kind of fringer. He sits on the Board of Directors of People for the American Way. He writes a column for HuffPo. And, he takes part in fundraising for all kinds of liberal causes…including fundraising for the Democrat Party.
“The 2004 Democratic National Convention is a way for the party to say “thank you” to the Podestas and other fundraisers who have amassed record amounts of money for both the Kerry campaign and the Democratic Party. Because of the new ban on contributions from corporations and unions, the parties have come to rely on fundraisers, who are adept at raising money from individuals.”
“The fundraisers generally stay at the best convention hotels and get special transportation around town and tickets to exclusive events, such as a panel discussion Wednesday afternoon titled “Funny But True: Important Issues in 2004.” The panel included Ben Affleck, Alec Baldwin…”
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/29/nation/na-perks29
Liberals/Democrats have no problem with people like Alec Baldwin or what they say, even when Baldwin goes so far as to flatly advocate the murder of family members of political figures Baldwin doesn’t like.
‘”If we were living in another country, what we, all of us together, would go down to Washington and stone Henry Hyde to death, stone him to death, stone him to death!” said Baldwin. “Then we would go to their house and we’d kill the family, kill the children.”‘
Liberals are, almost without exception, liars and hypocrites, and they have no problem with REAL incitments to violence, as long as the incitements are directed at the right people.
You mean Conan the Vulgarian?
It all started in high school.. With a Bill Ayers designed curriculum…
http://vangrungy.blogspot.com/2011/01/large-award-given-to-arizonas-morana.html
When you learn about marxism, you learn that “words mean nothing.”
My step sister was diagnosed schizophrenic in young adulthood (the common time symptoms will appear)
She heard voices on the TV telling her what to do – one day she thought she heard Jim Morrison (the DOORS) tell her to burn down the house- and she attempted to do so-
I guess we shoulda indicted him for conspiracy to ARSON
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I refer to comment number 24 in Russian. I meant to hit “reply.”
I have long thought that the suffering of the mentally Ill is much greater than those with physical diseases, who can still have relationships with those around them.
If you want to gain sympathy for the mentally ill, read The Seduction of Madness by Edward M. Podvoll, M.D. If you read this book, you need to be in a stable, healthy mental state yourself, and 30, or better 40 years of age. I would never give this book to a teenager. Words DO matter.
Administrator, please increase the distance between the “cancel reply” button and the name space directly below it. They are too close together for touchscreen devices.
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. … Folks in Philly like a good brawl.” Barack Hussein Obama telling his followers how they should deal with the Republicans, 2008
In 2010, Obama called on Hispanics to join him and “punish our enemies.”
Harry Reid in 2009 called Tea Party critics “evil-mongers” who disrupt town-hall meetings with “lies, innuendo and rumors.”
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And it’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” Barack Hussein Obama, during a fundraiser in April 2008, inciting class warfare and anti-middle America sentiments. Hillary Clinton later called these Obama remarks “demeaning”, “elitist” and “out of touch”.
Before President Obama uttered one iota of a response to Ft. Hood, he stood before the Dept of Interior conference smiling and jovial, thanking his cabinet for their efforts, hailing Native American achievements and giving a shout out to a Native American doctor dancing in a war bonnet who he announced had won the Medal of Honor … he did not. He lauded and laughed and shouted out before he addressed the wounded, the dying and the dead at Ft. Hood. His comments on Ft. Hood were strange and uncaring. He was more concerned about the rights of the Jihadist than the families of the 40 dead, dying and wounded. He began with the following grotesque and flippant statement: “Some of you out there may have heard about the shootings at Ft Hood.” He followed with “We should make no judgements before we have the facts.” From a presidernt who never seems to have the facts or the grace required for such tragedies as in his flippant, stupid factless commentaries on the drunken Henry Gates, Nidal Hasan, Times Square Jihadist Bomber, the Christmas Crotch bomber and the Mosque at Ground Zero. Facts do not concern “The Talented Mr. Obama” because his brain is inverse proportion to the size of his mouth.
Has anyone fogotten that the biggest purveyor of hate especially of Arizona is none other than the man who would be President. He demanded the hapless President of Mexico criticize Arizona. He told people not to go to Arizona because it had gambling. He had his Justice Dept. sue Arizona because the people of Arizona wished to protect themselves against the violence, the murders, the kidnappings and the thievery of illegals. Obama sided with the illegal alien criminals making the state the kidnapping center of the world. He betrayed his oath of office to protect Americans even when they live in Arizona because he hates us.
“The Talented Mr. Obama” also hates the military, white people especially old white people like his “racist grandmother and the “Tea Baggers.” He loves money and he loves power. His greatest love is reserved for himself. It is his raison d’etre. His narcissism makes him incapable of leadership, hateful of criticism and incensed with disagreement. As president he is always right and all powerful. Obamaisms: Poor white people cling to guns and bibles when they are afraid. We have to change America and redistribute wealth. There is a notion in the Constitution that we are all created equal!!!??? Notions/rights did he ever even read the founding documents. Nah … why should he!!?? They’re nothing compared to his notions on our rights. His first responsibility is to calm his daughters about Arizona. His first responsibility is to the nation he despises. If he’s looking to calm the haters, the ones who promote violence, the ones whose behavior can inspire others to do hateful acts, the ones who don’t care about our freedoms he need look no further than the image in the mirror. Arizona is just another photo opt for the hater-in-chief the “Talented Mr. Obama.”
I’m Inspector Grungy, VRTF, Vitriol Rapid Task Force…
I’m placing you under arrest for a “Vengeful Vitriolic Violation”
You have been found guilty by the “Vitriol Rapid Judge Force”..
You have been sentenced to the “Vaughan Valley Vitriol” Penitentiary..
No, you may not ask for how long
While I agree with your statements, I have to point out that they are not really relevant to this particular discussion.
Just want to get a prediction in before Obama speaks in Tuscon tonight. Obama will find his own inner Jared, if he meanders off the teleprompter script. That is, Obama is like Jared, imo. Just more highly functioning.
A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me. I’m afraid of widths.