PJTV’s Crowd Estimates for Tea Parties Still Climbing
The estimated number of participants in yesterday’s tea parties — sent in by citizen journalists who signed up to the site to enter attendance data from the event they participated in — currently stands at more than 623,000. More than 850 ordinary Americans signed up to report on their community’s protest. The number of participants will continue to rise as more of our field observers upload their photos and videos of the events and send us their attendance figures.
(Check here for the latest in crowd estimates based on eyewitness accounts, as well as police estimates. Crowd counting is not an exact science, but we feel confident in saying that PJTV has the most authoritative estimates of crowd size you’ll find anywhere.)
For complete PJTV coverage of the day’s events, you can visit here and watch for free. The day’s events from dozens of venues along with commentary by ordinary citizens and experts have been broken into 18 parts for ease in finding a venue of interest to you.
This link will take you to the reports from citizen journalists who voluntarily gave of their time and effort to report from their hometown on tea party happenings.
Nothing like this had ever been attempted before; hundreds of locations reporting and downloading news to one network using CelleCast technology, Twitpic, as well as webcams and other web based technology to get the story — the whole story. During PJTV’s nine hours of coverage, around 20 reports were put on the air that had been forwarded via cellcast — a service set up on the PJTV website for the citizen reporters to send in their accounts of the tea parties.
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This is truly awesome stuff! Thanks to PJTV and everyone that covered the events yesterday. I’m still feeling awed and blessed to be alive to see the day that Americans take a stand against the country taking a hard turn to the left. Independents, Republicans and Democrats who felt like they wasted their vote were all out together and it was wonderful!
The Tea Party needs to supplant the RINO Republicans without making a 3rd party. A 3rd Party only splits the difference & gives victory to either the Republican or Democrat.
Agreed Sebastian.
I went to an event in Provo but I didn’t get a headcount.
281K? With only 25 percent of precincts reporting? Wow.
Correct in a nutshell, #2. But How?
A 10 point pledge that new pols running to replace professional RINOs must sign at a press conference?
A complete shakeup at the RNC?
A list of the top 10 regulatory laws to repeal, beginning with Sarbanes-Oxley?
Commitment to passing a true flat tax?
This is a war of ideas. How is that to be brought into the focus of the electorate, without it being co-opted by government as usual?
“The Tea Party needs to supplant the RINO Republicans without making a 3rd party.”
Third parties are often a disaster. We must stay, for the most part, with the two party system. It behooves us, however, to purify the Republican Party by marginalizing the RINOs.
We are being seriously challenged. The odds may even be slightly against us! The fact is Barack Obama did win the last election and still retains highly popular. Socialist doctrines are embraced by a high number of Americans. Although there is no reason to panic—it would be foolish to think that victory is right around the corner.
A recent poll indicated that the under 30 age group prefer socialism over capitalism, whereas all other age groups overwhelmingly prefer free market capitalism. This is just another indication that left-wing indoctrination is succeeding in our schools.
Something major will have to happen to shake up our arrogant Congress and White House. They are so overbearing and self important it will take the above protest count numbers and more at one location (The Washington Mall) to attract their attention. We have over 80% of the media working against us, so it will take great effort to make this a successful grass-roots effort. I want to believe that the majority of Americans agree with our principles.
David Thomson:
Socialist doctrines are embraced by a high number of Americans.
I think that most of that “embracing” is theoretical. For most Americans, who are ignorant of other countries’ experience of socialism, the realization that, for the masses, socialism is synonymous with Spartan austerity, will hit hard. I think especially hard-hit will be those Generation Y-ers who grew up during the great Internet and housing bubble days and, false or not, have only known prosperity and abundance. I’m Gen X, so my coming of age was nothing like that, plus my parents were both blue-collar workers in the 70′s, so my material expectations were always low, but my favorite people in college were the recent emigres from the former Soviet Union, who knew the realities of Communism beyond the sloganeering and parades and hated Communism with a passion.
When the Gen Y-ers realize that Obamian “sacrificing a piece of the pie” is not just a slogan but a reality, due to excessive taxation at all levels, I think they’ll want the government to back off on the taxes so they can build some personal wealth, only hopefully they’ll be more demanding when it comes to reducing spending, having learned the lessons of the recent past and next 3 years until, hopefully, Obama gets booted out.
Let’s display 13 star American flags, and “Don’t Tread on Me,” flags. Let’s face it, more of us would have attended the protests except for the fact the we had, “jobs”, something the poor and oppressed don’t have to factor into their daily routine.
Who has them for sale and where can we get them? I would fly them proudly.
And how about a bumper sticker which says, “Hey Obama, shove your social welfare, fascist police state where the Sun doesn’t shine?” I’d buy and display one of those proudly.
Tea in Boston Harbor was one of the many occurances which got this country started. Let’s take it back, with our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.
That’s a lot of right wing extremists! I had no idea we had such a serious problem with these dangerous types in our country.
“I think that most of that “embracing” is theoretical.”
It might be theoretical—but it also helps Democrats win a lot of elections. Many people, especially younger Americans, are virtually ignorant of our history and values. They have been brainwashed by leftist educators. We are confronted with a daunting challenge and cannot take anything for granted. In 1972 the moderately popular Richard Nixon annihilated left-winger George McGovern. What would happen today? The only consolation is that Barack Obama hid his liberalism during the campaign. He tried to be all things to all people. Still, there was ample evidence to deem him unfit for the nation’s highest elected office.
I attended the Bellingham, WA one and there were between 3,500 – 4,000 according to the local radio station that covered the event start to finish.
The local newspaper reporter (yeah, they are very liberal too) put his estimate in the paper at 1,500, and we know he left early, and refuses to accept any higher numbers from those of us that stayed a lot longer and know more people came after work.
I mention this because I suspect others are also seeing underestimation in some of the more populated areas.
I doubt the average person really understands how much money we are actually spending. This Obama budget calculator makes my head want to explode. over $6,861,686 a second under Obama’s budget.
I really don’t get how anyone can support this. It makes no sense. The left boycotts Wal-mart because they buy cheap goods from China, yet they support selling our future to the same country.
It looks like the Reps found their calling to redesign their party. It’s not a bad idea. After constant brainwashing, some naive voters will follow. But it’s not that simple. People are more aware of humanitarian values these days.
Are Tea Parties another Palin-flash-in-the-pan deal? Let’s hope not, it could bring some good things if managed properly and decently.
Oh my was I censored?
How’s this?
jvon thank you for your sensitive assessment of all of us regular folks that support the country and now are called extreme or some sort of terrorist.
We promise not to hurt your feelings or say anything that may remotely make us sound like an American citizen
I guess I was rude by my mothers standards… but come on… this was the tea party I was at!…
You won’t see this on either CNN or Fox but – there were at least fifteen communities around the state of Arizona that had Tea Parties on April 15. Most were held in the middle of the day, in the middle of lousy weather, and were very well attended by average middle class folks. Many took time off from work to express their displeasure with Government arrogance and fiscal stupidity. The numbers of people involved in this thing aren’t going to dissipate, only get larger! Legislators look out! The 2010 elections are closer than you think!
“A 3rd Party only splits the difference & gives victory to either the Republican or Democrat.”
Priceless!
It might be theoretical—but it also helps Democrats win a lot of elections. Many people, especially younger Americans, are virtually ignorant of our history and values. They have been brainwashed by leftist educators. We are confronted with a daunting challenge and cannot take anything for granted.
The Dems have won two election cycles, one of which was marred by a very unpopular war and the second of which was contested by a candidate that wasn’t that popular with the GOP core and was opposed by a “historic” Dem candidate. Plus, the tax hikes that will damage the economy haven’t kicked in yet until Obama and Congress let them expire next year, plus whatever taxes he adds in the new budget, whether he calls them taxes or fees or whatever.
What I’ve been thinking about lately, though, is the fact that the economy not only has hit a wall but is having the equivalent of a ball and chain attached to it by Obama and Co. This is going to force Gen Y to confront the choice: Does it want an economy that can generate the kind of growth they’re used to, or something close to it, or do they want a slow-growth European style economy, which is what Obama wants. Since WWII, with the exception of part of the 1970′s, the choice between growth and a “mixed economy” hasn’t been particularly important, but things are different now.
Despite their ignorance of history, a topic on which I agree with you, this is a question that will need to be decided by reference to their own experience. Do they want the symbolic benefit of being one of the members of Obama’s “We’re all in this together” collectivism or a more individualistic, entrepreneurial, American economy, which can deliver the goods they’re used to?
For example, I was reading a story about dating among twenty-somethings a few weeks ago and there was a part of the piece focusing on a guy who’d been an investment banker and making a nice living who now was looking for a government job because his banking job had disappeared, but wanted to go back to the private sector ASAP. If Obama has his way, that guy will be stuck in the public sector forever, moving from pay grade to pay grade with his annual 3% raise until he dies or retires. What I’m trying to figure out is whether that’s going to be enough for that guy and the many like him. My guess is that it won’t and eventually the cheering throng BS that Obamaism thrives on will begin to pale in comparison to being able to go out and buy new toys every month with the pay you take home from a lucrative private job.
This financial contradiction that will dog Obama’s young supporters is also accompanied by another contradiction between Obama’s “one size fits all” centralizing approach to government and the multiplicity of choices that Gen Y has had at nearly every juncture of its life. As I read on one site (paraphrasing), “Will a generation that has had a dozen choices in laptop computers settle for government-mandated options in health care?”
As you say, Obama’s tried to be all things to all people, but I think the discrepancy between his promises and what his centralizing governance methods can deliver is particularly wide among the youth.
If the Republican party is smart, they need to stand up and say “you know what we were part of the problem, but this crisis was a game changer, we will refocus, retool and have the back of the average american”. that is what i need to hear to maintain my loyalty. Right now, I am pissed off, like many of the other people who were at these tea parties. Obama’s excuse for all this spending is basically, “well I am just continuing what I inherited from Bush” then he turns around and say that I am the president of Change. It is true Bush started this spending but Obama, seems intent on extrapolating to ridiculous heights. If the Republicans were smart they would turn the tables and say, “you people voted for change and Obama is admitting that he is more of the same. We are admitting that were were wrong and co-piloted this ship along with the Democrats into peril, the difference now is that we can admit we were wrong and intend to do something about it.” Unfortunately there are still a good deal of Republican politicians who don’t get it and continue to vote for more spending. It is insane.
I went to the tea party in Phoenix and apparently didn’t go early enough. Since I couldn’t see or hear any speakers I rushed home to try to catch it on TV, It’s very disconcerting to see absolutely nothing….as if I dreamed up the whole thing. Can anything be done abouot this? The media should not have such a role in determining the government in the US>
we had about a hundred in meridian. http://www.wtok.com
We need the Republicans and Democrats who still believe in the principles and values of the Country and still stand by the Constitution. I joined a tea party because i watched Pres. Obama tell the muslim world that our country is not a Christian country but a nation of citizens. Aren’t all nations a nation of citizens. I am very much afraid that we are losing our self reliance for a nanny state that doesn’t have our moral or ethical or security beliefs. By calling people who have a difference of opinion and crave honest debate extremists. I have debated some of the best people on my site, we are respectful to each other and respect each others difference of opinion. In other words, we love our country and want it back. Free markets allow us to grow while big government stagnates us. Yes there were some greedy idiots who wanted more but how much different is the government from those greedy business means. But instead of just wantingmore money, Our government just wants more power to tell us how to live our lives. I am a Reagan conservative and believe in the government enacting their regulations and just getting out of the way and allow those businesses who received TARP to pay it back now. Not when the government deems that they can. That is not a responsible thing to do. If you have a loan, and you want to pay it off early , the finance company is not going to refuse you. Yet our government gave these banks a loan and now they are changing the rules midstream. No business that i know of would break contract law in the way that these blowhards on Capital hill are. LET THE BANKS PAY BACK OUR MONEY NOW, NOT LATER.
We had about 10 in our state of Mississippi. They ranged from just a few people to 3500 in jackson. Laurel had 700, Meridian had 100 and the Gulf Coast had about a 1000.
A tea party in Bend like none other! Although Bend, Oregon is in the middle of the very blue Northwest, we had about 1,500 on board, with people who came from all over Central and Eastern Oregon–some traveling 4 hours to get here. To be expected, the local media put the count at a “few hundred”. I know of quite a few people who are setting the record straight with them.
The Obamanation and Congresswhattamess is being exposed for what they are–deceitful, corrupt, and out-of-touch.
Obama drew over 200,000 on one night in Denver. People who came to his events were interested in hearing new ideas and how he planned on changing the direction of the country. Looserpalooza, by contrast, was a bunch of zealots using the issues of taxation and spending as vehicles for their veiled racism against our new president. The signs say it all. They were preaching to the choir, if you will. None of the people who attended these “teabagging” events voted for Obama or the Democratic agenda. The only way they can express their frustration is by attending these ridiculous carnivals. This is going to be a rough eight years for the “teabaggers.” Electorally it may be even longer. Can’t win elections with old white men alone anymore.
#5 from David Thompson: “Socialist doctrines are embraced by a high number of Americans. Although there is no reason to panic—it would be foolish to think that victory is right around the corner.”
Socialist doctrines are embraced by a high number of Americans. However, many of those who embrace them may not know it. For instance, many of the signs at the “teabagging” rallies said such things as “Obama is a Socialist,” or “Down with Socialism,” blah, blah, blah. Many of these sign wavers looked to be middle-aged and retired. I’m quite sure that as they waved these signs they simultaneously nursed away at the federal teet in the form of Social Security, MediCare, and Veterans benefits, etc. All of these programs are based on a socialist model. Maybe they should send the money back if they are so against socialism. But isn’t that how conservatives operate? they never have a problem eating out of the plate they spit in.
“Maybe they should send the money back if they are so against socialism. But isn’t that how conservatives operate? they never have a problem eating out of the plate they spit in.”
That’s not quite accurate. All of these people were forced to enroll in the social security program and MediCare. It is illegal to do otherwise. They are simply doing the best they can under the circumstances. Veteran benefits are not an example of socialism. They are earned by sacrifice. We are merely rewarding our military people for a job well done.
PRAETORIAN
#25
HMMM….Just how much does the Obuma organization pay you to spout your liberal drivel on Conservative sites ?
Your time would be better spent by watching MSNBC or CNN.
I’m sure your views are far more closely aligned with the MSM than with anyone with gray matter sufficient to allow them to think for themselves.
S.M.
We had about 700 people on the Plaza in downtown Santa Fe, NM. Excited group, motivated and ready to keep this going. Media coverage was expected “nationally organized cranky right wingers”, etc.
26. Praetorian:
Those programs are established by law and the individuals participating have no choice. In the case of Social Security, since the government takes the money out of your check as you go, you don’t have the opportunity to invest it yourself, so giving the money back when you get it could mean the difference between being able to pay your monthly bills and not being able to.
In the case of Medicare, again the government takes the money out before you touch it, which means you can’t put it into something tax-advantaged like a Health Savings Account, in order to save up to pay for your own health insurance once you’re off any employer or group plan. Then, since the government doesn’t really want health insurers in those markets as competition, good luck finding a policy. Again, not participating could mean the difference between being able to get health care services or not.
As for VA benefits, since war is a legitimate function of the state, one can logically make a case that the outcomes of war should be handled by the same government that legitimately wages it.
In addition, I’m sure that if you were to actually look at what various people propose vis-a-vis these existing programs, it’s primarily some sort of “grandfathering” option that will honor the current promises but stop accruing future promises. This is actually a fairly standard procedure and the mechanics of it are well-known.
I’m addressing your post “as if” it were logical, but of course, it’s merely the emotional outburst of a child-like mind that clearly cannot delineate between one category of expenditure and another. To say that it logically follows that because Social Security exists the government is empowered to bail out AIG is a non-sequitor, yet the bail out of AIG was a major bone of contention among those attending tea parties.
Remember, folks. This means nothing if people don’t vote.
Praetorian:
Obama drew over 200,000 on one night in Denver. People who came to his events were interested in hearing new ideas and how he planned on changing the direction of the country.
Those of us whose political memories extend back a bit further than yours apparently does realize that nothing Obama is doing is new. It’s the same statist ideology that has existed since the French Revolution.
#26. Praetorian. Do you understand that the Social Security money was deducted from our paychecks, largely against our will?
According to the previous commenter, the Tea Party events were all Republicans. I guess the Democrats I spoke with at the Des Moines, IA event were just a figment of my imagination. The fact is that these events were NON-PARTISAN events with many from all political platforms. The problems began with Bush and have exploded in these first 100 days of Obama’s presidency. I guess when you’re scared, you feel the need to attack. Go ahead and continue being scared because the fire has been ignited and it has plenty of fuel to grow this movement.
@Praetorian 25:
Hail the beloved leader: check
Accusations of Racism: check
Ad-hominem attack that almost raises to the level of single-entendre: check
Failure to demonstrate a single problem with anything the OP said: check
Blamed it on Bush: FAIL!
You still need some remedial progressive talking-points training to be a qualified human dictaphone.
Tea Party Protest had nearly 1 Million attend WITH very little press coverage. I don’t watch the news and the only way i knew about this was from the internet. Obama–as in the example above–probably had non-stop PR for the Denver event for weeks before. Duh, he’s going to get 200K in one place. If the media had spent more than the 2 days before this event covering it, the draw would have been astronomical. As it was, even without massive press, the draw was phenomenal. 1 Million people motivated to take to the streets in protest over big gov’t and wasteful spending. This even was an astounding success–historical even. Anyone who chooses to ignore it or marginalize it will quickly find themselves ignored and marginalized.
#25 Praetorian,
Where do you live? I know it isn’t Denver.
Neil Cavuto gets caught off camera with a live mic estimating the Sacramento crowd at “about 5,000″ and then in the very next segment suggests it’s “between 10,000-15,000″ Of course Neil wasn’t promoting the event, he was just covering it. At this rate, I’m guessing the total will climb to 299,999,999 leaving just one liberal in the country, and you’re reading him.
Pictures of NH TeaParties.
cannedjam:
“If the Republican party is smart..”
Good post; I wonder if this will happen however and that’s not being a gllomy gus, canndedJam. I truly hope it happens.
All of that being said, many of us truly marvel at the trolls (like “one of [his] own” above) harping on the crowd count meme and attempting to trivialize the start of a grass roots effort. Their language is too constricted and to nervous; you can almost hear them reciting the words they write to themselves over and over for reassurance.
They miss the point: there’s a great vacuum being formed here and that vacuum will be flled with a person or party who wants to step in and genuinely adopt the principles we espouse at these tea parties. In 1994, the Republicans offered the Contract for America and largely won on that despite naysaying and liberals who just didn’t get it. Well, again they and the MSM and Obama and Mike Steele don’t get it.
Like Bob Dylan writes, “There’s something going on hear, that isn’t exactly clear, is it, Mr. Jones.”
22. P J . . . “I joined a tea party because i watched Pres. Obama tell the muslim world that our country is not a Christian country . . . ”
He’s right. I’ll agree with you just as soon as you can point to the word Jesus in our founding documents. Until then, America is a republic that believes in freedom of religion. Want to believe in Jesus? Fine. Want to believe in Buddha? Fine. Want to believe in nothing ? Fine. The fact the more people are Christians than not doesn’t make it a Christian country. (Wait, think a second, are you sure you want to play the “majority” card after you got your butts kicked in November? You don’t want to admit that America is a liberal country just because the majority of people support Obama do you?)
This is very simple. I know you don’t like it, but it’s the best way to assure freedom and liberty for everybody and to protect our citizens from the tyranny of religious persecution. Why you or anyone would promote tyranny over liberty is beyond me.
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25. “Obama drew over 200,000 on one night in Denver.”
Wasn’t there a free concert with some high-power talent?
I have always been a registered Republican and that is not going to change. I like voting in primaries.
However, I am fed up with the party promoting candidates that enthusiastically embrace Obama’s stimulus package. The turncoat governor of my state comes to mind. He couldn’t wait to campaign with Obama for the stimulus, and yet he is often mentioned as a presidential candidate for 2012 by a party that does not hear our frustration.
I have no interest in a third party.
However, the Internet and local networking through the tea parties make it possible for us to identify and support those candidates that are committed to fiscal responsibility. Personally, I don’t care if they are Republican, Independent or Democrat so long as they are willing to put country before party.
No, we do not need a third party. We only need to get involved and give out time and energy to worthy candidates.
After organizing the MS Gulf Coast Tea Party, I can tell you that this is as grass roots as it gets. Our final count on Wednesday was between 1,300 and 1,400. As for the liberal drivel posted on a lot of sites I’ve learned that the one thing they don’t want is to be confused by the facts. When the net “takers” outnumber the net “contributors” in our society….Socialism will rule. Clearly the agenda in Washington is to maximize the number of “takers” that can be created. The flaw in their design (as there always will be one) is that eventually they will eliminate all the contributors. Fight on…Wednesday was not the end…Just the beginning. God Bless America!
#27 from david Thompson: “That’s not quite accurate. All of these people were forced to enroll in the social security program and MediCare. It is illegal to do otherwise. They are simply doing the best they can under the circumstances. Veteran benefits are not an example of socialism. They are earned by sacrifice. We are merely rewarding our military people for a job well done.”
I’m sorry but you are wrong. Veterans benefits are most certainly a program that is “administered” under the auspices of a socialist model. Whether they were earned by sacrifice or not (and I agree with you that they were) is beside the point in how the program is structured and administered. It is not private. It is the central government who administers the Veterans benefits and healthcare programs. Many private contractors participate (in the case of specialty medicine, etc.) but they do so under the direction and guidance of the federal government. I understand that people like you would hate to admit that you benefit from socialist model programs. So why don’t you call the VA program “ice cream cone.” Maybe that will make you feel better. In the end, however, no matter what you call the VA programs (and Social Security and MediCare) that does not change the way in which the programs are fundamentally structured and that is on a socialist model. As for people being “forced” into Social Security and MediCare I think the recipients of such programs are grateful they have it and would disagree.
Dear Praetorian & like minded: 2 points–
First, I attended the Denver Tea Party. I am a retired, tax paying, law abiding, socially & fiscally conservative Libertarian registered as an independent voter. The people I saw at the party were not just rich white republicans; but, a cross section of America-black, brown, red, yellow & white, young, old, middle aged, men, women, children, moms, dads, business suits, blue jeans, bikers, long hairs, clean shaven, retired, Democrats, Republicans, independents, etc. Old white retired men-NOT! All protesting the policies & actions of an out of control, corrupt & clueless government-Admin, Congress & Judiciary. I was there to protest what I see as my country regressing from a Constitutional Republic of Independent States U.S.A.) to a liberal fascist state (U.S.S.A.)- which I will fight to my last breath.(I don’t own a gun; but, I VOTE!)
Secondly, my social security check is supplemented by my savings & by my private sector pension which I earned as part of my labor so I don’t have to rely soley on the government to “take care of me” in my old age. My social security check is really a return of a percentage my earnings (& Company match) that the government took (by law) as a tax & supposedly saved it for me with interest (Ha! Ha!)to be paid back to me as an annuity when I reached 65-this is hardly sucking the federal teat as the money was mine to begin with. Not only that, since I have pension & personal savings income, my social security is taxed-double taxation.
Keep drinking the liberal fascist kool aid- you’re going to wake up with one hell of hangover!!!!
My wife and I attended the Tallahassee Tea Party. Two groups were conspicuously absent: the media (we saw no TV mobile units although they are often in supermarket parking lots asking passersby inane questions) and African-Americans (Tallahassee is 34% African-American but we saw only one such citizen at the rally). These two segments of society have linked their futures to Obamunism. They will regret it.
What we did see at the rally were 1200 real individuals, people who had life in their eyes, were animated, and witty as hell. Man, did they seem alive. Many of the homemade signs were hilarious.
#30 from vevividivici:
“Those programs are established by law and the individuals participating have no choice. In the case of Social Security, since the government takes the money out of your check as you go, you don’t have the opportunity to invest it yourself, so giving the money back when you get it could mean the difference between being able to pay your monthly bills and not being able to.”
To discuss the inception of a program is irrelevant. Of course, they are passed as a matter of law. We the People, through our elected representatives, actually. Any retirement program takes money out as you go. I think what bothers you is that Social Security is administered by the fed. It is one of the most successful programs of all time. Every advanced Democracy has it in one form or another. I’ll acknowledge that you don’t like Social Security because it was passed by Democrats (over the objections of Republicans). Social security and MediCare aren’r going away. They are here to stay FOREVER. Get over it. Your day will come when your laying in bed nursing off the warm kind milk of socialist model programs. And you’ll be thankful for them. I promise!
“In the case of Medicare, again the government takes the money out before you touch it, which means you can’t put it into something tax-advantaged like a Health Savings Account, in order to save up to pay for your own health insurance once you’re off any employer or group plan. Then, since the government doesn’t really want health insurers in those markets as competition, good luck finding a policy. Again, not participating could mean the difference between being able to get health care services or not.”
Firstly, Health Savings Accounts are really not even worth discussing. They won’t EVER happen. They are Dead. As far as private health insurance is concerned, well, we can call it insurance but certainly not health insurance. Universal healthcare IS going to happen. The question is whether or not the program will resemble the German or French system more, both fantastic programs. The only real enemies of universal healthcare for hard working American families are the private insurance industry and big pharma. The insurance industry (who lines the pockets of conservative Republicans) is against universal health care because they know they will die, and they should. Big pharma is just raping people. Insurance companies need to maximize profit to shareholders. That is their only function. They do not care about your health. They care about profit. Their goal is to collect the most money and not pay claims. We need to remove the profit mechanism from medicine. Until we do that America will remain ill. Government run health care is totally the way to go. Get rid of the insurance carriers. Let them die a well deserved death. It’s really is a no-brainer. As I college student who has to go to the campus clinic for my healthcare I could not be more pleased that universal healthcare is finally going to be passed. Me and my fellow students are working hard to make that happen. This time around we plan on winning this war. You old farts have MediCare, Veterans benefits, why can’t we have the same?
Dear Rags # 47
“Secondly, my social security check is supplemented by my savings & by my private sector pension which I earned as part of my labor so I don’t have to rely soley on the government to “take care of me” in my old age. My social security check is really a return of a percentage my earnings (& Company match) that the government took (by law) as a tax & supposedly saved it for me with interest (Ha! Ha!)to be paid back to me as an annuity when I reached 65-this is hardly sucking the federal teat as the money was mine to begin with.”
Actually it is sucking away at the teat. If your like most people you will outlive what you paid into the program and still continue to get benefits. This is a good thing and in spite of your bitterness I do hope you live a long time. That’s what’s nice about an annuity, you will keep getting paid no matter what. My grandmother who died at 102 a few years back and didn’t work all her life collected Social Security. She collected a ton of money from Social Security over her life! Our family is so glad she lived such a long life and we can thank government programs like Social Security and Medicare for making that happen. The point is you get a benefit whether you paid into the system or not. So, it is sucking at the federal teat whether you like it or not. I guess the point of all this is that you people are ignorant of the fact of how socialist model programs and policies are already so intertwined into your life and you seem to think this is new stuff! It’s been that way for a very long time under both Democratic and Republican presidents. Everything is already in place and has been for decades. All Obama’s proposals are about is polishing things up a bit a tweaking things here and there and expanding existing models.
#8
“don’t tread one me” flags are a Navy Jack, and if you google that, you should come up with online sites selling it.
Another point for Rags: “I was there to protest what I see as my country regressing from a Constitutional Republic of Independent States U.S.A.) to a liberal fascist state (U.S.S.A.)- which I will fight to my last breath.(I don’t own a gun; but, I VOTE!)”
That last breath may come sooner than you think. I heard that the median age of the average Republican is like 66 years of age. Many will be taking their last breath sometime soon. Obama and the Democrats won the youth vote (of which I count myself) 2 to 1. Studies indicate that the party an individual casts their first vote for is the party they overwhelmingly stick with for life. Republicans have lost an entire generation. As the old conservatives die off (and they are) they are being supplanted by energetic and creative young liberals who will change the world for the better (and correct the damage done by conservative failed leadership). We won’t even talk about the female or minority vote, another train wreck for the Republicans. So you guys go preach to the choir at your “teabagging” rallies. All the Democrats have to really do is just wait. Time is not their enemy, it’s yours. And as Martha would say, “that’s a good thing.”
Ah! The mighty self-styled Praetorian – a Leader, with authority in administration of justice just slightly behind that of a Consul. A mighty man of a mighty and triumphant Empire. Heed the words of this powerful commander of men, you contemptible serfs, you stupid old farts, and tremble in awe at the depth of his wisdom, his vast knowledge, his awesome experience, the magnanimity of his justice.
As he struts around the campus, a fatuous simpleton,a twittering twit, the product of the Lysenko school of Socialist Science, secure in his certainty that the Divine One has changed the world and we shall all dwell in a Franco-Germanic paradise, as vile free enterprise is doomed forever and the greedy capitalist Tea Partiers are marked with a yellow star and sent to join Palin in the gulags of remote Alaska.
Looks to me like a sure candidate for a cabinet post.
When my liberal cousin insulted and embarrassed his own mother, and his aunt, my mother, by calling them bigoted racists, I realized there is no point talking to these people. For the record, they are not racists at all, but 2 elderly ladies who love him.
Someone who is so programmed into the ego-feeding illusion of superiority can’t listen to anything that might threaten his self-image. For the sake of that, my cousin hurt family members who have loved him since birth. And incidentally lost my respect.
The tea party I went to was over 5000 people, the news said it was 3500. So what? Those of us who were there know, and will spread the word.
#53 Stuart Williamson: “As he struts around the campus, a fatuous simpleton,a twittering twit, the product of the Lysenko school of Socialist Science, secure in his certainty that the Divine One has changed the world and we shall all dwell in a Franco-Germanic paradise, as vile free enterprise is doomed forever and the greedy capitalist Tea Partiers are marked with a yellow star and sent to join Palin in the gulags of remote Alaska.”
To equate the plight of your blood sucking corporate friends who you frequently bend over and grab your ankles for (even though you will likely get a tax cut from Obama) to the plight and suffering of Jews (of which I also count myself) is gratuitous and insulting. My grandmother had her arm tattooed. How could a doily sniffing conservative like yourself know anything about suffering? What a creep you must be. No one is suggesting that capitalism be doomed. It just has to be watched very well.
On another note I heard that 84 year-old conservative doyenne Phyliss Schlafley fell and broke her hip. That’s virtually a death sentence for a woman her age. We’ll be reading her obit soon. Just one of many examples of how the old conservative bulls are dropping like flies. Rush will likely have a stroke from too much vicodin or some other illegal substance. Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock . . .
All this hoopla over “tea parties” is amusing. Where were all these people when Bush/Cheney was running up hundreds of billions in deficits? Then there’s the glory days of the Reagan years and more billions in deficit spending.
Recent GAO report points out that 64 of 96 military procurement programs are running a collective $296 billion over original estimates. Where are the protests over runaway spending by the military-industrial complex? Gee, I feel safer already knowing that nearly $300 billion is being wasted. At least Clinton, as much as he deserves being vilified, left office with a balanced federal budget.
Regarding RINOs, I’ll be happy when the Republican party purges itself of the religious socialists of the Christian right. No such thing as a social conservative. But there are religious socialists who espouse a different form of big government, powered by big religion, that attempts to control elements of citizens’ private & personal lives.
I don’t much care for the massive Obama stimulus. But let’s not forget that unregulated markets got us into this mess. Yes indeed, much to protest about.
Tea party groupies should organized and make this a political action group. Voted out all career politicians and replace them that advocate fiscal responsibility and small government.
All the mental midgets parroting the line “where were all the people when Bush was in office?”
Let me explain this to you: President Obama is proposing to spend more than ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS BEFORE HIM PUT TOGETHER!!
We voted for CHANGE!!! Where is damn change?
You’re right JB, I’d add that it is one heckava facetious arguement that we cannot oppose irresponsible spending today because we did not oppose irresponsible spending yesterday (never mind the fact that many of us did oppose irresponsible spending yesterday).
And you wonder how it is that liberals can like self-perpetuating fiscally destructive programs like the rural electrification program (one among hundreds)–see, actually liberals do support fiscal sanity but, gosh darn shame of it, having not opposed senseless spending yesterday, they consider themselves unworthy of opposing senseless spending today. It’s all about the intellectual consistency, you see.
I have a question about the great numbers being reported–are they verified in some way? Or are they simply ballpark estimates made by people with an incentive to inflate the numbers? (I swear, I want these big numbers to be right, but it’s more important to me that the numbers be real.)
#55 Wishing death upon people with whom you disagree politically – the true heart of the liberal mind.
The tea parties were an encouraging start. I plan to be in another one on July 4. But what else can we be doing? The issue of what is being done to our country and our futures has to be kept front and center.
“Looserpalooza, by contrast, was a bunch of zealots using the issues of taxation and spending as vehicles for their veiled racism against our new president.”
Thanks for reminding us, because we haven’t had our daily Obamaton reminder for the day: everyone who disagrees with Dear Leader on any issue, for any reason whatsoever is a racist.
Racist, racist, racist. No need to debate the issues, call your opposition racist.
“”"”Socialist doctrines are embraced by a high number of Americans.”"”"”
That reminds me of some comments George Orwell made about fellow Brits after WWII, when they seemingly “embraced” socialism. In fact, they didn’t care much for the tenets of Labour socialism, but were tired of the War and Churchill (no good deed goes unpunished), and were generally politically apathetic.
Praetorian:
“even though you will likely get a tax cut from Obama”
Yeah. Thirteen bucks a week. Woo-hoo! If I save it up for a year and a half I could (almost) buy earrings like Michelle’s.
Of course, for me it’s a tax cut, for what little it’s worth, because I actually pay income taxes. For 40% of households it’s nothing more than a handout. Pretty cheap votes at the price, don’t you think?
So pray excuse me, cocky adolescent Who Knows All- have you yet figured out what the consequences of Obama’s mindboggling debt will be? Either higher taxes, or the hidden tax of inflation. TANSTAAFL. My God, the mess in the financial sectors was precipitated by hideous, unsustainable mountains of debt, public and private; and so what does Captain Obama do? He orders the Titanic to back up and ram the iceberg at flank speed this time! He’s maxing out our multiple credit cards and triple-mortgaging our economy even unto the third and fourth generation (assuming the Chinese will actually buy all our junk paper)- but the sheeple love him, because he gives them Free Stuff! Free Money! Buy now, pay later: the new American motto.
And coming soon– Energy Tax! $6-700 billion more in taxes, to save us from the Warming Monster Under the Bed. Call it cap-and-trade if you like- it’s still a tax. In the meantime, Obama hikes business taxes, which are paid disproportionately by small business and entrepeneurs, and which in all cases are paid by- you guessed it, everybody.
You see, sonny- you aren’t old enough to remember the ghastly 70′s, and actually believe the nonsense I’m sure your professors have pumped into you about stimulus and the Keynesian Multiplier. Problem with the Keynes Multiplier is that it’s rather like the Higgs Boson: it’s never actually been observed. It. Doesn’t. Work. Not in Britain in the 70s, Japan in the 90s, Argentina this decade, and certainly not here in the 30′s. You can no more spend yourself rich than eat yourself thin.
As for the people under 30 wanting socialism.
As someone who has lived under Soviet rule and who studies the mores and attitudes of Gen Y, these suckers are in for a rude awakening.
1) They have been brainwashed by their teachers, it is true.
2) They have pretty high expectation of the kind of life they wish to lead.
3) Once they experience the disconnect between propaganda and reality, they will do a 180 with a vengeance — enough to have made Ayn Rand blush. They absolutely cannot handle the reality of living under socialism, they are way too spoiled.
Praetorian:
What is it with you guys and the crude, juvenile, scrotal humor with these “teabagging” remarks?
Is teabagging a practice of yours? Many of us naive non-degenarates had no notion what this reference was, until you obscene idiots chose to “enlighten” us. The last great Democrat, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once stated that, “We’ve defined deviancy down.” You and your ilk are living proof of that.
“”"”"”To equate the plight of your blood sucking corporate friends who you frequently bend over and grab your ankles “”"”"
Uh, “Teabag,” (may I call you by your proper name?), the majority of corporate America’s leadership supported, gave large sums of money to, and voted for Obama. The Democratic Party has become most of the things it always purported to hate.
One thing missing from this whole thread — as far as I can see, anyway — is that there is no discussion of the fact that the “right” (whatever that means anymore) has lost the “culture war,” which is much more expansive than most people realize.
The focus seems to be entirely on political change, and legislating away bailouts and overspending.
The GOP and conservatives never made any serious efforts to neutralize the left’s control or major influence in America’s entire educational system, the major media, the entertainment industry, philanthropic organizations, and community-level organizations. They have dealt witht he left’s influence in these areas about the same way that the pakistani government deals with the Taliban: by conceding the field in these areas to them.
I won’t pretend to know how non-leftist Americans (are much larger aggregate than “conservatives and libertarians”) are supposed to, or even want to go about doing that, but these areas of influence for the left have allowed them to sabotage and retard and undermine the value of Republican control of Congress or the White House.
As the old conservatives die off (and they are) they are being supplanted by energetic and creative young liberals who will change the world for the better…
Cue the 20th century……..But I’ve been there, done that, learned the lesson…..
If the young liberals are so creative – then they’d come up w/something actually creative instead of trying to make a spectacularly failed ideology work.
But it’s never the ideology, it’s just the wrong people were in place.
But the right people are in place now……..And it’s gonna work this time, truly it is.
Socialism kills, free markets feed.
Just because one has gov’t provided health insurance doesn’t mean one will get the care one needs when one needs it…..See Canada, England, Ireland, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand….Windsor, Canada was finally getting 2 surgeons to perform angioplasty – cos if your heart problem wasn’t solved by the blocker-busters, you were out of luck, unless you paid out of pocket. And they come to America for it, for the most part.
You may want to brush up on Logan’s Run…
Delighted your grandmother lived to 102 IN THE US — Because in England – 60 is the magic number when the harder decisions are made.
And that poor guy in Canada (?) 58 and denied a hip replacement cos he was too old…tsk, tsk tsk.
It is my decision, not the king’s. I am not a serf.
“Social security and MediCare aren’r going away. They are here to stay FOREVER. Get over it. Your day will come when your laying in bed nursing off the warm kind milk of socialist model programs. And you’ll be thankful for them. I promise!”
You’re right- these programs aren’t going away. They’re already gone. The money isn’t there. Don’t tell me that you fell for that “trust fund – lock box” crapola?
And yeah, I sort of resent being forced to throw good money after bad into this system, under penalty of law, with no way to opt out. I’m 44, and anyone under 50 that thinks they will ever see a dime from SS or Medicare is delusional.
No more funded unmandates.
It’s the spending, stupid!
yes, and there was a free concert in Seattle and in Berlin and everywhere else Obama wanted to draw a huge crowd.. he’s no dope..
the amazing thing about this tea party thing is, NOBODY ORGANIZED IT nationally, nobody paid anything to make it happen, no MoveOn.org or George Soros or any puppeteers at work in the background..
sure, libs all CLAIM this is happening, but who? How much? Evidence, please.. just because YOU can’t pull off a national rally of hundreds of thousands of people without BIG ‘street money’ and DNC background prep doesn’t mean we can’t.
And by WE, I don’t mean republicans. I mean the American People, capital A and capital P.
66. Roderick Reilly,
Oh please, don’t try to feign ‘innocence’ about the perverse ‘teabagging’ term which has been giggled over and over from the lefty numb-nuts who joke about that term on the Daily Kos like drunken Spring-Breakers.
The fave gay from the left on CNN used the term so blatantly it was beyond puerile and trite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I64Ed5iLu4M
and I’ve never SEEN such a colossal, instantaneous abandonment of maturity in the MSM, all in ONE NIGHT.. I am not sure I can think of a single network or even a single anchor who didn’t indulge himself or herself in the ‘teabagging’ juvenile humor. again, and again, and again, and again.
Anderson COoper? I thought that guy was an actual journalist. “It’s hard to talk when you’re teabagging”. I guess I was wrong.
Praetorian (#25,46,49,50,52,55).
Are you more like the principled Guard under Augustus, unprincipled Guards up to Diocletian, or were you disbanded after Constantinople 1?
Or, are you more like the Guards that protected Napoleon or Hitler?
Who are you protecting? Do you wear a skirt?
“Teabagging” – when I first saw that, I thought it was a reference to the famous Monty Python “Ministry of Silly Walks” sketch.
The “Silly Walks” sketch was a send-up of useless government programs and off-the-rails spending.
The Tea-Partiers are protesting the same sorts of spending that the “Silly Walks” sketch was all about.
The ‘Minister of Silly Walks’, as famously and hilariously portrayed by John Cleese in the sketch, was called… ‘Mr. Teabag’.
Attend your local & state political meetings. FORCE them not to take stimulus money.
Tell them matching Federal Money is ALSO yours. If they can’t fund it locally, don’t fund it at all, unless it truly is a national priority, e.g. roads and bridges.
PS: NO FUNDING FOR er..uh..umm..LIGHT RAIL.
@55 Praetorian
Words, words, words and more words. Your emotional defense of the innocent Jews murdered in WW II contrast sharply with your vindictive mean-spirited yearning for the early death of all those elderly (and republican) fellow American citizens. I am sure your hypocrisy is totally lost on you but it is not lost on others.
Praetorian and others like him deserve no response. They are trolls, getting angry because they were just sure that when they “won”, the rest of America would just bend over and take it. They assumed we would all agree to higher taxes, more government involvement in our personal lives, less freedom of speech, open borders, no armed forces, tax-cheats in the cabinet and our standing in the world reduced to throwing Americans under the bus to make a foreign leader happy.
I can almost smell their insanity coming through their posts. They are practically shrieking at this point in desperation. They’re almost begging everyone to “see, see, only 10 people showed up right? Right? RIGHT????” Pathetic.
Give them they response they deserve…a smug smirk and a hearty laugh at the depths to which they’ve sunk.
For everyone replying to Praetorian: stop it. You are just feeding the Troll. He is a student, who is acting just like the boomers did in the 60′s. Because he is a student, he knows everything and anyone who doesn’t agree with him is a nazi or a neo-con or an idiot or whatever other neat noun he can find on his Iphone Thesarus.
If you want to really hit him where it hurts then ignore him. This group is going to outdo the boomers in the “me, me, me” category so just leave the troll alone. Have an intelligent discussion about this (I am all for the Tea Parties) and let’s work on the next step. If it ends here, then the troll wins.
And none of us want that.
Teabagging is a disgusting pornographic reference which shall go unexplained.. I figure any MSM talking heads already know what it means, judging by the performance this week.
75. Trouble,
Erm. Uh. Eh [oops I'm typing like 0bama without a teleprompter].
ANYWAY, as much as I love me some Monty Python…the term ‘teabagging’ that the Lefties are referencing is definitely not… [Kosher?] Don’t bother googling it if you don’t know what the other meanings are. Not worth sullying your mind over.
“One thing missing from this whole thread — as far as I can see, anyway — is that there is no discussion of the fact that the “right” (whatever that means anymore) has lost the “culture war,” which is much more expansive than most people realize.”
I think that’s because, by its nature, conservatism isn’t inculcatory, it’s experiential. Nothing like a mugging by reality to turn a liberal into a conservative. and believe me, there is going to be plenty of evidence of mugging over the next 4 years.
I’ve got two thoughts for you rube: (1) Dream on and (2) Horsesh*t.
This clown is to be summarily laughed at, then dismissed as deluded.
These demonstrations were RADICAL!!! Did anybody notice the absence of any clashes with the police?? I diden’t see any reports or cars turned over, or burned. What about breakinng windows and looting stores. I saw lots of small children…under 5… I have to wonder if mothers would have taken their children to any of the anti-jewish demostrations we saw when Israel was pushing back at the Palistinians.
Liberals tend to be a whole different type from conserviatives. THIS IS IMPORTANT!!! If we were to act like they usually do, there wouldn’t be any choice for the people to see.
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I don’t know where that came from. I don’t think I put it in.
I see the 2008 campaign trolls have awakened from their slumbers and are back at ‘work’. Mr. Soros claimed recently that he’s doing very well during this economic downturn, I guess he’s feeding some of that cash to the trolls.
When Praetorian, SteveB/Colorado, and One Of My Own finally grow up and discover their housing options are all in their parents’ basement, their job prospects are an allowance from their parents, and cars have been carbon taxed out of the hands of all but the really rich and/or politically connected, maybe they’ll see the light. Or not. George Bernard Shaw said it best: We learn from experience that men never learn anything from experience.
For the masses, they don’t even think of it in terms of “embracing socialism”. They feel it more viscerally on the level of “people need to be taken care of” and they don’t think through the consequences of these vast transfer-of-wealth programs. It’s 100% emotional. The actual number of pointy-headed intellectual socialists are quite small.
JB2:
As for the people under 30 wanting socialism.
As someone who has lived under Soviet rule and who studies the mores and attitudes of Gen Y, these suckers are in for a rude awakening.
1) They have been brainwashed by their teachers, it is true.
2) They have pretty high expectation of the kind of life they wish to lead.
3) Once they experience the disconnect between propaganda and reality, they will do a 180 with a vengeance — enough to have made Ayn Rand blush. They absolutely cannot handle the reality of living under socialism, they are way too spoiled.
100% agree with you here. While I was in grad school in the mid-1990s, I became good friends with a woman whose family had just left Romania. They all loved America so much because of the opportunities here. Her dad loved me because I was so pro-capitalism. I listen to someone like Praetorian drone on and on (better get that universal health care passed quick, P, before the French and Germans go bankrupt under the weight of the expenses they’re committed to and show us why such programs are unsustainable) and think, “Man, wouldn’t it be great if we could send him back in time to Romania to see what it was really like?” I’m sure in his own way, Ceauşescu was just as charismatic as Obama.
ReB,
That was dedicated to the vacuous Praetorian and his comment in #52 – a complete loon worthy of mockery and nothing more.
Besides being caned.
As far as the leftist media’s ignoring and slandering of the tea party protests let us recall the words of Mahatma Gnadhi.
First they ignore, than they laugh at youthen they fight you and then you win.
# 69 Sandy P. “Socialism kills, free markets feed.”
What a load of crap! You’ll be sucking up your socialism before you know it in the form of Social Security benefits or what have you. Socialism is an easy tag for you to throw around but really lets take a minute define socialism from the conservative point of view: using taxpayer funds to help a single mom buy food for her kids or helping a family stay in their home is socialism but using taxpayer funds to subsidize big agricorporations (just one of many examples) is just good business. You see, for a conservative the term socialism is contingent upon to whom the taxpayer funds are directed. Conservatives are socialists too! They are supply-side-socialists. When the tax dollars of hard working American families is going to line the pockets of their campaign contributors then it’s all good. This is why conservatives have such a hard time winning elections. It’s because the American people have finally realized they have absolutely no credibility on the matter. They’re hypocrites plain and simple. Everyone knows the conservative Republican motto has always been: Party first, Corporations second and and hard working American families last. Enjoy your time wandering in the wilderness.
89. Tex Taylor,
Caning? Ha-ha! I’d prefer to give the lefty trolls fifty lashes with a wet noodle.
One of the best things that came out of the tea party in my area [for me] was meeting other people who are just as frustrated with our out of control government spending. In these times of uncertainty it was nice to not feel alone much like how many like-minded commenters here make me feel. Thank goodness for the internet!
# 87 Crusader “For the masses, they don’t even think of it in terms of “embracing socialism”. They feel it more viscerally on the level of “people need to be taken care of” and they don’t think through the consequences of these vast transfer-of-wealth programs. It’s 100% emotional. The actual number of pointy-headed intellectual socialists are quite small.”
Yet more crap! The United States has been practicing various forms of socialism for a very long time in terms of programs and policy. You act as if all this is new. You guys wave around your “socialist” signs at the appropriately coined “teabagging” but the message falls on deaf ears because you have no credibility on the matter. Obama won the election with 69,492,376 million votes….. and these disgruntled “teabagging” racists at Looserpalloza amount to about 300,000. They/you are preaching to the choir. The people who attend these rallies are the same characters who attended Palin rallies. They diidn’t vote for Obama or the Democrats then and really who cares how they vote in the future because they are irrelevant.
That said, the “reabagging” rallies are an interesting phenomena in that they are a metaphor for the state of conservatism and the Republican party in general. When my grandmother passed away she was in a hospice and I had the opportunity to learn about the stages of death. Generally, right before death an individual can become quite animated and loquacious. They thrash, move around, and demonstrate some fantastic things that have no real purpose. They even have that twinkle of passion in their eye. This can lead family members into believing that their loved one might be getting better, etc. They’re not. Soon after they generally relax and become comatose. After that their breathing becomes labored and the characteristic “death rattle” sound kicks in. This is the sound of air passing over the mucous in the trachea and lungs. Shortly, after the death rattles start patients generally expire within 24 hours. The “teabagging” rallies might be viewed as that point of animation a terminally ill patient experiences before death rattles kick in. This is the current state of conservatism and the Republican party.
Obama won the election with 69,492,376 million votes….. and these Tea Party attendees amount to about 300,000.
It’s a completely inapt comparison. The appropriate comparison would be to past rallies in support of lower taxes and spending at the Federal level, in which case the Tea Parties outdrew similar past events by orders of magnitude.
If I were to apply your logic to Obama, I’d say that because no one showed up to vote for him on Tuesday, but 69 million whatever showed up to vote for him on Election Day, he’d lost all of his support.
Less typing and more thinking before you type would be my recommendation for you.
#64 Bill: “You see, sonny- you aren’t old enough to remember the ghastly 70’s, and actually believe the nonsense I’m sure your professors have pumped into you about stimulus and the Keynesian Multiplier. Problem with the Keynes Multiplier is that it’s rather like the Higgs Boson: it’s never actually been observed. It. Doesn’t. Work. Not in Britain in the 70s, Japan in the 90s, Argentina this decade, and certainly not here in the 30’s. You can no more spend yourself rich than eat yourself thin.”
The fact that you are old enough to remember the 70s kinda proves my point about the old conservative bulls dying off. Let me guess, you’re probably a white male, in your late fifties, probably divorced (most Republicans are), stuck in a crappy job and are mad at the world for the choices you made. Your looks have faded and your a bit lonely. So, what do you do? Blame it on the evil socialist boogeyman. I may not remember the 70s(thank goodness) but I think I’m probably more grown up and have a more expanded world view than you will ever have. As far as Keynesian economics are concerned, what has your side offered up as an alternative? Tax cuts for the rich? Been there done that. Failed miserably.
What really warms the cockels of my heart is how many people took off time from their already stressful and struggling lives to make it to the tea parties in the numbers that they did. The 4th of July can’t come soon enough!
#93
To paraphrase Robert Downey Jr., the US has been successful because it has gone half-retard.
Now Obama’s trying to make it go FULL RETARD, and as we know, that wins no awards.
#94 venividivici “It’s a completely inapt comparison. The appropriate comparison would be to past rallies in support of lower taxes and spending at the Federal level, in which case the Tea Parties outdrew similar past events by orders of magnitude.
If I were to apply your logic to Obama, I’d say that because no one showed up to vote for him on Tuesday, but 69 million whatever showed up to vote for him on Election Day, he’d lost all of his support.
Less typing and more thinking before you type would be my recommendation for you.”
Inapt because you don’t like it. Those who voted for Obama and the Democratic agenda in November showed up in astonishing numbers. More often than not his crowds totaled over 100, 000 on one night! Moreover, Obama didn’t need corporate sponsorship nor did he have to bus people in to get people to attend. The appropriate comparison is to not compare one apple to another (which is what you are doing) but to compare the crowds who showed up in support of a particular agenda to each other (which is what I did). By that comparison I would say you people have your work cut out. The American people clearly are behind our new President and not the death rattles we hear from the cacophonous “teabagging” events. Your old GOP brain is showing signs of atrophy.
JB2:
#93
To paraphrase Robert Downey Jr., the US has been successful because it has gone half-retard.
Now Obama’s trying to make it go FULL RETARD, and as we know, that wins no awards.
I think Obama’s trying to set a new standard in retard. Even the Russians and Chinese are telling him to slow down. Now, I’m not one to say the US should take advice from other countries, but this is a case where I’ll make an exception.
I may not remember the 70s(thank goodness) but I think I’m probably more grown up and have a more expanded world view than you will ever have.
Based on what? I mean, you make a claim like this and you need some evidence, boy.
Inapt because you don’t like it. Those who voted for Obama and the Democratic agenda in November showed up in astonishing numbers. More often than not his crowds totaled over 100, 000 on one night! Moreover, Obama didn’t need corporate sponsorship nor did he have to bus people in to get people to attend. The appropriate comparison is to not compare one apple to another (which is what you are doing) but to compare the crowds who showed up in support of a particular agenda to each other (which is what I did). By that comparison I would say you people have your work cut out. The American people clearly are behind our new President and not the death rattles we hear from the cacophonous “teabagging” events. Your old GOP brain is showing signs of atrophy.
It’s not inapt because I don’t like it, it’s inapt because of exactly the reason I said. Your simplistic model of “showing up to support an agenda” ignores the scheduling variable, which carries a significant amount of weight in this particular instance.
I didn’t say that the low-tax, low-spend agenda and its supporters don’t need to do more work to expose the fallacies and pitfalls of the opposite agenda.
For the record, I’m not even 40. Your young brain is showing signs, perhaps permanent, of not having reached maturity.
As far as Keynesian economics are concerned, what has your side offered up as an alternative? Tax cuts for the rich? Been there done that. Failed miserably.
Wrong. That is what turned around a stagflating economy, the last time we kicked those who share your way of thinking out of office.
Apparently, you slept through history, child.
I lived it, sonny. Without that economic turnaround, I just might not have had a job when I graduated from college.
And BTW, we don’t have to offer an alternative … for it is the height of foolishness to think that there IS any one-size-fits-all/top-down alternative to this mess.
We, instead offer 300 million alternatives … with the only one-size-fits all element being the empowerment of these 300 million problem-solvers, by taking only the absolute minimum from them for LEGITIMATE government purposes (not your Leftist wish list), and not forcing the decisions of a few allegedly Best and Brightest upon them, especially in areas where the BB’s are structurally incapable of delivering effective solutions.
The progress will start, when y’all quit thinking you know more than you do, much less know more than the rest of us.
“I may not remember the 70s(thank goodness) but I think I’m probably more grown up and have a more expanded world view than you will ever have.”
Oh yeah, the younger subset of Gen Y: delusions of adulthood, elitism and authority. Probably the saddest of the bunch.
Tea party protesters didn’t rally around a man, his image or his slogan. We rallied around principle. Far more honorable and far more lasting.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
MAKE A COMPLAINT TO CNN AND MSNBC’S ADVERTISERS AD PLANETFEEDBACK.COM. IT ALSO SENDS A MESSAGE — A STRONG ONE AND WE SHOULD PULL CNN AND MSNBC OUT OF OUR MISERY. THE GLOBE HAS MORE CREDIBILITY THESE DAYS. ALSO, PJTV COULD USE THE ADVERTISERS AND HAS BETTER JOURNALISM.
ALSO, OUR AUDIENCE OUT THERE READING THESE COMMENTS IS AWARE THAT SINCE 2003,4 LEFTY FUNDS, FOUNDATIONS, NEWSIES AND PARTY MEMBERS, HIRE PEOPLE BUT TO CRASH IN ON THESE SITES, BUT TO PRETEND THEY HAVE CROWDS. SERIOUSLY, PEOPLE PAID BUT TO “ENGAGE” ON THESE SITES. I’M READING THEIR POSTS NOW.
I think it would help to cause a boycott against the sponsors of the anti-American media organizations like MSNBC. I watched how MSNBC covered the Tea Parties and I couldn’t help but feel a little angry over their coverage. They labeled us as,radical right wingers who don’t just don’t want to pay taxes. They even tried to claim that we were violent and out of control. Go Figure! Lets Boycott The Sponsors And Make MSNBC listen TO US! I don’t want to lose America to this President and his media.
If you ignore the troll, it will eventually retreat. It’s legs are very weak, and soon it will limp away.
On April 15th, 2009, large numbers of American taxpayers demonstrated their opposition to harmful tax increases and statism.
That’s all, folks. Stay tuned.
I remember the good old days when Democrats actually made sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdXrfIMdiU
If you increase either corporate or individual tax rates, there is less incentive or ability for large or small businesses to grow. The reduction in growth translates to job losses (or, per Obama – jobs not “saved”, whatever that means).
The increase in spending (Bush and Obama) and taxation (Obama) we’ve seen can only make matters worse. And to make matters even worse, our current administration is cozying up to our enemies (the ones that wish for our destruction – on the record!), and targeting private citizens like Rush Limbaugh and Ric Santelli, and probably eventually me and a lot of other people on this site – since we’re “right-winged extremists) by our new government’s definition. But that’s another topic altogether.
Praetorian…. Are you sniveling now? Please. We came out in droves and none of your whining, crying, screaming, pleading, gnashing of teeth, hand wringing or flat our lying is putting the genie back in the bottle. Face it, you won the election but the American Patriot will win the battle for the heart of this country. Good always triumphs over evil.
And how do you suppose to do that AThinking person? Even the Republican party is distancing themselves from the freak show you “teabaggers” put on. That says it all. Please continue with your tea parties. We will continue winning elections.
Fox News Alert . . . Neil Cavuto now puts the size of the Sacramento crowd at 11 million!
Dave O:
I remember the good old days when Democrats actually made sense.
Yep, my dad and all of his co-workers down at the factory were Dems in the 70′s. Thinking back to what they believed, I know I don’t agree with most of it, but at least I consider them fellow Americans. This new bunch of Dems is dead to me.
Another thing AThinking person. Obama was chosen by God. That is why he is Presiddent. If God didn’t want Obama to be President he certainly had the power to prevent that from happening. The fact that it did happen proves that that is what God wanted. American patriot? What a crock! Your nothing but one of the stupid puppets who live in the mythical world of “Richistan” where right-minded people are always rich. Most Republicans are not rich. The only way to get rich, they think, is to identify with and think like “real” (rich) Americans. This dynamic is the heart of spiritual materialism and false consciousness (look that one up). “If God loves you, you are rich”. It is also the heart of Fox News Network’s pitch, who incidentally sponsored the even to the tune of over $600.000 in free TV advertising (grass roots my A$$). Season with tribalism and racism. Enjoy if you have the stomach.
#108 Hawkwatcher “On April 15th, 2009, large numbers of American taxpayers demonstrated their opposition to harmful tax increases and statism.”
On November 4th 2008 69,492,376 American voted for Obama and his agenda for change. If the election were held tomorrow they would do it again and probably even more. The only really important thing here is to outnumber you puppets at the polls and we will continue to do that. You can’t even close the deal in NY 20 where Republicans have a 70,000 voter registration advantage. Your party and everything you believe is in disarray and all you can do is preach to the choir at “teabagging” rallies. Is that how you change minds? Go back to tea party Looserpallooza and steep in your defeat. Maybe when you get some new ideas and start acting like grown ups the American people might give you a second look.
104. pjean,
AMEN!
108. HawkWatcher,
Ignoring trolls is like trying to ignore a giant, gas-bloated, farting donkey in the room. Ya just can’t. So you try to educate the ‘watchers’ rather than the troll who spews. You figure someone is always lurking and taking note and good comebacks are well…GOOD.
110. AThinkingPerson,
“Good always triumphs evil”
I pray every day for that. Some days I talk to God so much I get lost in prayer but these are troubling times and this Country needs God’s intervention now more than ever.
Praetorian…. LOL! Chosen by God? I’d vote for a punishment from God on a country that has allowed the liberal left to run it into the ground.
PS… The GOP regretting the Tea Parties? You’ve been on the Huffington Post haven’t you? Yes, the same website that is highlighting Obama shaking hands with Chavez as a good thing and used the Puerto Rican flag in their headline by mistake instead of Venezuela. There’s your “factual” news source Praetorian.
Keep on sniveling bub. It becomes you and I definitely have “the stomach” to watch the collapse of the Left (although it’s imploding much quicker than even I anticipated).
FYI… For a good laugh, have a stomach turning peek at where Praetorian is getting his/her “news”. Explains a LOT about the Left and their odd way of believing anything pumped out by the MSM… http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/17/tea-party-fallout-indepen_n_188235.html
Rut Rowe! Nutter alert! Nutter Alert! Houston, we have a problemmo of uber brain-washed magnitude.
Clean up on post 114 and preferably with a baby butt wipe and a spankin’ on the hiney.
@Sharon – While it would be easy to boycott against the sponsors of the anti-American media organizations like MSNBC, their ratings already reflect the nations poor opinion of them. I’m sure CNN and MSNBC both are all hot and bothered over the fact that everyone fled their TV joke-of-a-program and instead got news from Fox News Channel or Pajamas TV.
If I wasn’t watching live coverage on Fox News, I was likely watching it on PJTV. I’m willing to bet the same is true for so many others out there who just want the facts and the story, without the bias commentary.
Does anyone venture to guess the time frame of when the party of JFK and Truman was taken over by the far-left?
Praetorian:
You’re really flailing now, aren’t you.
“but I think I’m probably more grown up and have a more expanded world view than you will ever have.”
My, I do remember when I was in college and surrounded by snotty knowitall punks just like you. Just wait until you hit the real world, my young narcissist. Or until it hits you- hard.
In fact, your rather insulting assessment is entirely wrong- except that, yes, I’m caucasoid. You laid out of course the typical leftist hate-stereotype because you can’t possibly admit otherwise- but the fact is that I’m under fifty, happily married (once), extremely successful and retired early.
Oh, and you yelled RAAAAAAAY-CIZZM!. I invoke Godwin II- you’re done. Buh-bye.
Dang PJTV…You’re the BEST! Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication to accurately reporting and totaling the crowd count of the Tax Day Tea Party.
110. AThinkingPerson:
“Praetorian . . . Face it, you won the election but the American Patriot will win the battle for the heart of this country. Good always triumphs over evil.”
Funny how every one thinks of themselves as the good ones and the patriots. But once you think about it, you are right: “Good always triumphs over evil.” Make sure you REALLY pick your side.
116. Delia:
“Some days I talk to God so much I get lost in prayer but these are troubling times and this Country needs God’s intervention now more than ever.”
Good luck with that. Nobody has seen him in North America for centuries.
First the GOP tries to hijack the Tea Parties. Then we read that the GOP is trying to distance itself from the lunatic fringe of the Tea Parties. Now we read (on Pajamas Media) that Tea Parties are trying to disassociate themselves with the GOP. It doesn’t get much better than this! You see, the “teabagging” rallies have no focus in terms of a impact that would translate into a positive political outcome. They function to fan the fires of overheated minds. The issues that overheat those minds are many, so no coalescing around a single issue (one hates Obama, another wants to save the babies, another hates Jews, etc.). Does the GOP, the party of Lincoln mind you, really want to become the party of those who carry signs that infer our President should be executed? It is reasonable to assume that Abraham Lincoln, were he alive today would not recognize the state of the Republican party in it’s current form. In fact, he would probably be a member of Obamas cabinet! Perhaps that is why Lincoln, in one of his more famous quotes asked, “What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?” Lincoln would be on the side of what is good and against that which is evil that masquerades as good (i.e. conservatism).
@ Praetorian:
I think it is hilarious how scared you socialist revolutionaries are about seeing we the people reject the garbage you’ve worked so hard to force-feed us for so long. Let’s be clear – you are not the first to come to a forum and spout off about how “all these crazy right-wingers” couldn’t get as much attendance as Dear Leader Obama did at his inauguration. First, I’d tell you to check your facts. There were over a million people attending over two thousand events, as you well know (which is why you guys are so desperate to minimize the impact of this historic event). I understand why that must scare the bejesus out of you. It actually is very understandable:
With only ONE news outlet even mentioning the Tea Parties, with only citizen volunteers and bloggers actively organizing them, with only ordinary citizens participating, on a work-day, on tax-day…. We managed to get as much attendance as “Dear Leader” did after over a year of shameless promotion by the entire news media.
Seems to me that you are right to be scared… Better get ready for Independence Day, because all indications are that there will be even more “extremists” on that day. Good luck with your propaganda, comrade…
126.,
You sad, sad soul. Your head is so far up your anus it must be stinkin’ miserable.
I’ve got the cure for you though! A giant bottle of ‘beano’ to relieve those cranky pain-in-the-gas aches your head must be throbbing with.
Now, now. Now worries. If you push really, really hard your head might just pop back out of said orifice. If the reeking cavity grasping your head is too puckered up to release your gray matter after all attempts have failed…there’s always the circus.
#40 Thanks, I wrote a longer version of what I was touching upon here.
I really do think there is a good chance that the Republican Party can reorganize as a grass roots effort getting back to its founding values- the only way this will not happen is if the message is hijacked by the republican leadership – this is why I think we need to vote out all politicians in the House – just to prove a point that they do not have job security – I know that if on my job every four years the company re-evaluated if they wanted to keep us employed – a fire would be lit under the ass of my coworkers.
128. Delia: . . . “Your head is so far up your anus it must be stinkin’ miserable. . . . A giant bottle of ‘beano’ to relieve those cranky pain-in-the-gas aches your head must be throbbing with.. . push really, really hard your head might just pop back out of said orifice . . . If the reeking cavity grasping your head is too puckered up to release your gray matter after all attempts have failed…there’s always the circus.”
You’re right Delia, I should never assume that your scat fetish defines you.
praetorian is a useless troll that spouts his crap everytime steven crowder hits one outta the park on his youtube channel. It’s almost nice to see “IT” on here, I almost feel like I’m home (home having a deranged, spoon-fed mamma’s-boy, college kid who’s never lived outside of mom’s basement and the dorms.) Meanwhile, many of us (myself included), have either lived outside of the USA for a time, or know people who have, giving us a much larger life view and more real knowledge of what is, and what isn’t.
Reagan said it best in 1964, when speaking on behalf of Barry Goldwater:
“It’s not that the left doesn’t know anything, they just know so much that isn’t so”
131. vivi libero o muori:
Meanwhile, many of us (myself included), have either lived outside of the USA for a time, or know people who have, giving us a much larger life view and more real knowledge of what is, and what isn’t.
While I haven’t lived outside the US, I have traveled extensively for work, can read five languages and have two masters degrees. In fact, my second degree was an MBA at a school that drew about 1/3 of its students from outside the US. It was a top-ranked school and these were the cream of the crop from those countries. One of my fondest memories was one of those foreign students saying to me that he liked me best of all the Americans, because I actually knew something about his country. To this day, two of those foreign students, from two different continents, are among my best friends.
Praetorian is an idiot and unfortunately he doesn’t know that. He still hasn’t presented any evidence that shows how he got so worldly, other than by the osmosis of believing leftist tripe. Someone he respects should tell him to take a vow of silence for the next few years, study some history and then, if he’s lucky, emerge as a new man.
# 7 venividici:
I’m one of those escapees from Communism.
I attended one of the “Tea Parties” with a poster expressing exactly what you said.
I’m amazed at the sheer imbecility of the media’s reporting. I’m not “anti-tax,” “anti-government.” I’m for less taxation, less government. Limited government and taxation are a necessity, for the reasons spelled out in the Constitution, but only those, and not what’s been happening in this country for decades, now with Obama making things much worse.
Few people know that in Communist countries tax was only nominal, so low as to be meaningless in real economic terms and already deducted from your state-released paycheck. That nominal taxation was meant to, first, hide the communist state’s real plunder of people’s work and income, and, second, to discourage any questioning of how moneys effectively stolen from people were spent. It should be no wonder I heard about “tax” and “taxation” only after coming to the U.S. I was a through-and-through economics and political cretin. The only words meaningful in a communist economy were “salary,” “pension,” doled out by the State, and “black market,” the last inevitable when you stifle free enterprise and a free market and without which survival was impossible.
Fair taxation is a way you get people engaged in a civil society, to make them care what happens with the money they relinquish for the greater good.
Cristina,
Your personal testimony of your experience is worth a million posts by the people defending Obama and his plans. I wish there was a program to have people from ex-Communist countries go around to schools to tell young people what it was like and why it must never happen again.
Best wishes to you.
Praetorian is a nitwit who has fallen for that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, he or she thinks that the government has “money” to give away for nothing, and supporting Obama is one way to suck at that teat forever. Obama has no new ideas, in fact they all have the stench of mildew on them, just a repetition of the old and hackneyed class warfare themes and wealth distribution (without wealth creation) that has proven not to work anywhere. Praetorian mentioned European health care systems, but both Germany and France are desperately trying to curtail their bankrupt welfare states, not expand them. Raising taxes is not a new idea, appeasement is not a new idea, soaking the rich is not a new idea, even if they are all repackaged in the MSM’s new gift for America, Obama the Savior. New packaging, old garbage.
“Obama the Savior. New packaging, old garbage.”
Best assessment of 2009. Spot on.
The obama administration’s buffoonery is increasing expotentialy. It’s going to be fun watching President Dipstick’s face when Americans flush the congressional punchbowl come 2010.
# 134 venividici:
An economics teacher from Texas “interviewed” me for his students at the rally–not my finest moment, I must say, since I was trying to articulate an entire life’s experiences for the first time, but it was well worth it even if it reaches one single student. The guy was happy to record a “personal testimony” of what statism and collectivism mean in real terms.
Which proves exactly what you say: there’s a huge need for such personal knowledge and testimony. I often wonder why people like me in this country don’t speak out. There must be millions of us. I hear some on conservative talk radio, saying they are reliving their and their parents’ past all over again, like a nightmare that doesn’t stop. People like me, as one Alexei put it, know all the moves, all the techniques of seducing the masses with empty promises, the blatant, shameless lies, the totalitarian impulse disguised under a hypocritical, paternalist concern for the “have nots.” When I hear “spreading the wealth around” all I can think of is what happened back home, where wealth was confiscated for the benefit of the caste in power. Just look where the wealth is in most of the former Soviet Block countries now: former aparatchiks, secret police agents and collaborators, and their former black-market providers. After the so-called “fall of communism” they distributed what was once “collective property”–a Marxist nonsense in modern economical terms–that is, practically, the entire country, amongst themselves. They became capitalists overnight, for they were the only ones with the ‘capital’ to buy everything in sight. Where I come from they are now known as the “barons.” They and their clans rule, mafia-style, over whole jurisdictions and win elections by bribing their way into seats in government, where they can milk more money from taxpayers and European Union funds.
It sickens me to no end to see the U.S. Government, on both sides of the party divide, become more arogant and fatter and richer and more corrupt every day by milking taxpayers’ money: earmarks, pork, entitlements, jet-setting privileges (remember that sinister multi-millionaire Pelosi, who says the Tea Party movement is instigated by the “wealthiest” to avoid higher taxes), endemic tax-cheating, illicit contributions, you name it.
I’m stopping here, for it’s the orthodox Easter already, and I need to cleanse my mind of scum and dirt.
Add to that
Don’t blame me, I voted for Huckabee.
That is my battle cry now, and I’m sure it will be echoing through college campuses by 2011. Obama is EPIC FAIL. Best part about being a 20-year old conservative is that no one can accuse you of hypocrisy for taking Social Security, because you haven’t taken it and never will.
Cristina,
Hey, that’s pretty cool that the teacher was able to connect with you to get that message down on tape.
The oligarchs definitely committed one of history’s great thefts in the transition from the Soviet Union to contemporary Russia. Just brute force thinly disguised under a thin veneer of law. I wish there had been a process similar to de-Nazification in Russia to rid the people of the politicos turned gangsters.
As I see it, once the slogans and promises of a revolutionary party turn to the reality of governing, the realization that all of those promises cannot be kept, so why not grab what one can and find an internal enemy to blame becomes the norm among the ruling elite. I read once that the Soviet Union was a “counterintelligence state” in which essentially everyone was spying on everyone else, looking for the slightest hint of deviation from the Party line. Such distrust between neighbors kills civil society.
Happy Easter. You’re right that it is a day to put higher things in mind than politicians and their tricks.
When you have events like this people tend to either inflate turnout or deliberatly underestimate the crowds to make the event look like a failure.
Considering that this site is posting a figure of 600,000 and the MSM seems to be using 250,000 I’m going to estimate the actual turnout at 425,000 based on averaging both sides.
The individual Tea Parties often had horrible numbers in terms of protests. I heard that Buffalo NY only had 25 show up. Most events had between dozens and hundreds turning out while a few had between a couple and several thousand people. When you compare the Tea Party numbers to protests sponsored by the left the numbers are pretty feeble.
On the other hand Tea Parties took place in hundreds of towns and cities. Most of the time a major protest movement concentrates on a few large events in major cities. This protest covered a lot of geography (including towns I’d never heard of before) in terms of demonstrations you can argue that the movement might only be an inch thick but it covers the entire country.
There are may reasons for low turn-out. The weather in mid April isn’t too good in parts of the country and bad weather can hurt turnout for any outdoor event. It’s also true that having a protest in the middle of the week is going to keep the numbers down.
There is another factor. The left has been protesting for decades while conservatives, with the exception of the anti-abortion movement, have no history of public protests. The fact that the Tea Parties happened will test the willingness of conservatives to take to the streets. “The Silent Majority” (and face it, the majority did not go to a Tea Party) has now seen the fact that conservatives can take to the streets to protest. If a sizable percentage of the people who have voted Republican all these years decide to take to the streets THEN we’d see a big protest.
So the next round of parties is July 4th. More people will be off work. Organizers who had never done anything like this before will have had a bit of experience. Conservatives who have seen the April Tea Parties will decide if they want to join in or stay out. I think the whole thing comes down to this, if the July 4th numbers are a lot higher than the April 15th numbers then the Tea Party movement is a viable political protest movement that will attract more attention and support with each protest.
If the July 4th numbers are not a lot better than April 15th then the whole thing will lose steam and be remembered as a fringe protest.
I hope eveyone who was out prtoesting for the first time had a lot of fun. And for those who are going to be organizing or attending on July 4th, Good Luck!
116. Delia:
My reply to you got censored, and it didn’t have any XXX words!!!??? Probably too truthful and embarrassing for the site.
Wow – what percentage of the electorate is that? Looks like more people attended Obama’s swearing in than attended the teabagging meetings
This is my first post. I attended the Tea Party in downtown Portland last week. There were easily between 3,000 and 4,0000 in the square. The Oregonian reported only about 1,000. Typical. The next evening about 15,000 crowded Pioneer Courthouse Square to celebrate the Trailblazers making it to the NBA Playoffs. By seeing the air photos of both events, it was easy to see that the liberal Oregonian wasn’t reporting accurately. That can be expected here in the ‘People’s Republic of Portland.
I understand that the next ‘Tea Party’ is scheduled for July 4th. I will be celebrating the holiday in Yellowstone Nat’l Park -apropos I fell. However I will try and get involved in my local community to help organize people in my neighborhood to attend whatever rallys are being held. I feel these issues are too important to be ignored.
Hopefully our voices will help – before we find it’s too late. There is a revolution afoot…
The Shadow….. You mean the swearing in at the Capital where he screwed up the words or the one in the White House that they did “just in case” the first one wasn’t legal?