Pelosi’s Lies Roil Dem Establishment
Like a sudden lightning strike on a dark and dreary night, the Pelosi-CIA “you’re a liar!” flare-up in Washington, D.C., presents us with a stunning moment of truth.
We cannot not let this moment go by. Freeze it in your memory, because you’ll want to revisit this moment — and so will historians of the future. Nancy Pelosi was loudly applauded by the liberal media when she became speaker of the house. She is one of their own. She’s a true believer from the pinkest precincts of San Francisco.
Leon Panetta, now head of the CIA, is an old Democrat hack himself. But now they are openly accusing each other of lying about that touchstone of evil: the waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other top terror suspects to stop another al-Qaeda attack like 9/11. Pelosi is up for reelection next year. If her San Francisco voters understand that she’s been lying to them for eight whole years about waterboarding, furious peasants with pitchforks will be marching up the Castro.
So she has to hold on to the pretense that she just didn’t know. “They always mislead us,” said Ms. Pelosi to the media about her very regular CIA briefings.
But we can be pretty sure that Nancy Pelosi was fully briefed on waterboarding from the start, in 2002 or 2003, just like other senior members of Congress (who hold the purse strings over career bureaucrats at CIA.) If the top bureaucrats weren’t good buddies with Democrats in Congress they wouldn’t even be in their jobs. Agency honchos and Democrats accommodate each other over decades of inbreeding as they move up the career ladder. When they get to the top, like Pelosi and Panetta, they don’t screw each other — not in the normal way of business in D.C.
Except today.
That is why this is a history-making moment. If at any time in the last eight years Nancy Pelosi had telephoned the CIA about being lied to in a briefing, heads would roll and careers would be broken as soon as she hung up the phone. Nobody in the bureaucracy can afford to alienate Congress, because they know what the Frank Church Senate Committee did to destroy careers in the 1970s. It’s career suicide to lie to Congress and get caught at it. You can lie to the president, as the CIA did in its infamous intelligence estimate about Iran in 2008. But Congress is going to be there for your whole career.
Moreover, in the months after 9/11 the political class was in a panic to stop any more jihadi attacks on the American homeland. After all, American Air 93 was taken over by al0Qaeda maniacs to blow up the White House or the Capitol. That plot only failed when the passengers rebelled and ended up crashing the plane into the ground with all aboard.
Ms. Pelosi is therefore asking us to believe that in those panicky months her delicate sensibilities were on the side of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed — and not on the side of all the career politicians of Washington, D.C. Like herself.
Fat chance!
But if Pelosi admits lying to her own voters for eight long years, the unavoidable implication is that all the other Democrats also lied about the evil Bush administration, along with those wellsprings of truth and integrity like the New York Times and the Washington Post. So Nancy’s lie drags down the entire Leftist sucker narrative. Since all D.C. power centers are staffed with fire-breathing liberal “activists,” they constantly support each other’s agendas.
Interesting piece. I certainly hope you are right. The past six years have been thoroughly nauseating to anyone paying attention and with half a brain. (Unfortunately this does not describe much of our electorate.)
It’s fun to watch, but nothing will come of it. Democrats are above the law. They have undermined and destroyed the means to keep the political class in check, so they just ignore law and do what they want. Starting with campaign finance : Obama got millions of illegal overseas donations. Because of the Democrat gridlock at the FEC, not one abuse is investigated. What about the congressman with the freezer full of money? The congressional oversight system is GONE. The only weapon against corruption that partially works is the leftist US media that occasionally targets corrupt Republicans, which are chased out of office. The US has devolved into a banana republic. Pelosi has nothing to fear as long as she holds on to the reins no matter what.
In what way were they nauseating jvon?
Jim, you should be right, but unfortunatly, the Dems will be OK as long as they lie. Most Dems know their leadership is lying, but will go along with them like an OJ Simpson jury unles the leader blatatly admits they lied, in which case they will be “convicted”, but for disloyalty to the party, not for whatever they lied about. Some of the anti-war people may have actually trusted their leadership, with the same blind faith that mirrored their blind hatred of Bush and us, but most knew it was BS and went with it. That is why corrupt GOPers are outsted and jailed, while much more corrupt Dems are reelected and prosper.
TO: All
RE: It….
….all boils down to ‘morals’.
The Democrats don’t have any except for what they make up as they go along.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Yesterday's 'truth' is today's 'lie'.]
TO: EdGi, et al.
RE: Nothing Changes
Will we EVER ‘learn’? I have serious doubts….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Crime does not pay...as well as politics.]
A chicken farm the size of Arkansas is coming home to roost in the Democrats’ hen house. So unfair. Add the chicken products to the mountain of bull manure and Lordy, Lordy, is it ever getting stinky in DC. I trust they will handle this problem in the Congressional tradition and call an early summer recess. But what if some of those chickens are roosting in the local hen houses? It could even put a dent in fund raising for 2010. So unfair.
…Ordinary liberals don’t have an inkling how much we are lied to…There is only one assumption to make when reading. hearing or watching anything . It is being twisted ,spun, distorted and gilded to make it more digestible.
From that perspective see if you can ascertain the truth in the narrative. Seeking the truth is the prerequisite for discovering a giant truth. The truth is not something, it is somebody. Mull that over for awhile.
The problem for Pelosi is that having reached the pinnacle of power there is only one direction left to go. The Republicans have been marginalized, so any challenge to her position will logically come from her own party. You can bet that people like Steny Hoyer are sharpening their blades for a serious knife fight. It’s strictly a power struggle amongst the reigning oligarchs.
Will it touch Obama? Not likely. Obama is very glib at least when he has his teleprompter, and the media will nod like a dashboard bobble-head. Logical inconsistencies between words and policy is not something this president needs to be afraid of. Nevertheless, reality has teeth. Eventually the president will be called upon by events to take definitive action in a crisis. Then will he be judged. That day is surely coming.
Very thought provoking. Thank you James.
–The UnPatriot
They’re at each other’s throats as the narrative used for the last eight years falls apart.
Karma ?
Haha !
Interesting piece, Mr. Lewis. The first thing that jumps out at me is your thought that BHO will be forced to choose sides–I don’t think he will, it’s not in his nature to get involved in things that don’t directly involve him. Now if the CIA were to leak his birth certificate he’d be all over it. Or, if he asks the the key players to settle down and make nice, he’ll do it only after Pelosi has been discredited quite a bit more (isn’t that right, Rahm?).
In general, I’m perplexed by the current crowd in power. They get all squemish about how a terrorist may have been treated and they don’t bat an eye (or eyelashes) over trash talking the economy, taking multiple actions against the Big 3 that are likely illegal and surely injurious. Who exactly are BHO and NP worried about? Only our enemies?
Nancy, you stepped in it this time. It’s on your shoes and no amount of flying around in your special plane is going to get the stink off. By letting you twist in the wind on this one, the Chicago WH crowd is softening you up for something. Soon enough we’ll all know what that is.
Occam’s razor. The teleprompter reader wants to replace the speaker with a member of the Chicago gang. The reader will win. Then life goes on.
Two years from now, people will ask “Nancy who?”.
Mr. Lewis:
“The liberal political class has to defend its story line at any cost. But today they can’t. Something has happened, and they are at each other’s throat.”
They built their entire edifice on a faulty foundation, and now they’re watching it all fall down around them.
You would have thought that Pelosi, being a San Franciscan, would know a bit about the perils of erecting structures on unstable soils, wouldn’t you?
For my part, I feel like I imagine a “White” Stalingrader would have felt during the siege:
I’m overjoyed when Commies shoot Nazis, and I’m likewise elated when Nazis shoot Commies, but I just wish they’d go do their thing elsewhere…far away from my parlor.
Drawing the Agency into a domestic political fight is an act of such monumental stupidity that it honestly boggles the mind.
The Agency is going to defend itself, and in doing so might discover that it gets a taste for playing in politics here,(to a more overt extent than it already may). This augurs very poorly for us all, no matter who wins.
For Obama and Pelosi to have used CIA as a political pinata introduces a very disquieting element into the equation, and the price for a political victory over these two gibbering half-wits may be something none of us wish to pay…to be governed by Langley.
You keep the Agency out of domestic politics by keeping domestic politics out of the Agency.
The penalty for Pelosi and Obama breaking this cardinal rule MUST come from within their own ranks of the Democratic Party.
One can hope that there are discreet communications being delivered to the adults over there that this is how this issue has to be addressed.
Watch closely and pay attention to how this goes down.
For my money, it’ll be a Democratic Blue Dog that “pulls the trigger”.
Nancy Pelosi has been obsessed with “getting” the Bush administration for a very long time.
My thesis is that Nancy, just shy of age 70, was confused in making her false claim that the CIA lied (and habitually misleads) Congress and that she thought she was trotting out the “Bush lied” mantra. (she even sputtered a “correction” to the effect that she was referencing Bush administration, not the CIA per se)
Ms. Pelosi has gotten away with spieling gobbleygook for a very long time. Pundits, even Popes, are left scratching their heads. Essentially, we have an individual 3rd in line for the Presidency whose perceptions and analysis are unreliable in every sense of the word.
Of course, her San Francisco constituency of illegals and liberals loves her and will continue to support her.
Lets hope this will change in 2010, but I won’t hold my breath. There are still plenty of “useful idiots” out there.Isn’t this a great country, a mentally retarded woman can get elected to the House of Representives and become Speaker. Amazing.
It would be a nice thing if a majority of the public would come around to the realization that they have been lied to and played by the Dems and their willing partners in the bureaucracy and media. However, I will not hold my breath that it will come to pass. The powers involved just will not let it happen. Yes, a few heads will roll here and there, but the narrative will remain the same and the Dems will continue to be seen as the leaders of our country protecting us from the evils of conservatism while the true barbarians are spilling blood whereever and whenever they decide to around the world. I wish I was more optimistic, but the success of the left’s take over of education, the culture and government just might be too much to overcome. I will continue to fight the good fight and hope that the enormity of the manifestations of the failures of hope and change will be too hard for the public to ignore and we can replace the perpetual teenagers currently in control with adults.
Normally I would agree with anyone who says that it is impossible to shame any high-ranking Democrat into resigning after being caught in a major lie. After all, look at the master himself, Bill Clinton, who overcame all of his lies and still managed to stay in office. But this is different. Pelosi is taking on a bunch of career bureaucrats at the CIA, people who want to keep their jobs. They wouldn’t think twice about selling this person out if it allowed them to hang on to their jobs. That is why I think that, unless Pelosi gives up this no-win fight with the CIA, they are going to take her down. Democrats are already distancing themselves from her and at Pelosi’s new conference last week none of the other Democrats at the news conference were willing to come to her defense. They’re not stupid and don’t want to take on the CIA unless they know they’re right, and they certainly don’t know they’re right, let alone that Pelosi’s right. And, once again, Pelosi stuck by her guns and said at the news conference that the “CIA lied.” So the CIA now has no choice but to go out of its way to prove her wrong and, if they successfully do this, it could not only spell the end of Pelosi, but also Democratic control of the House. The mid-term elections of 2010 are not far away and the Democrats will get hammered on this, a major national security issue, as well as a lousy economy, who’s major spending bills were rammed through the House by none other than Nancy Pelosi. If I were her, I’d end this jihad against the CIA, or else it will not only pull her down but all of the Democrats in the House as well. Oh, but wait a minute, what would be so wrong with that?
I defend Pelosi.
You could show her waterboarding, hand her a report on it and there is no dopubt in my mind she would not get her warmed head around what was said and done.
I defend her.
Having said that, being an all around ignorant person is not a good defense.
“Barack Obama is caught in a classic bind. He can’t openly support Pelosi, and he can’t openly support Panetta. He’s been keeping very quiet about this smoking powder keg — but he won’t be able to stave it off much longer. Obama may be forced to pick sides.”
Poor, poor DohBama. It’s so much easier when you can throw someone under the bus without so much as a thought. Now d00fus has to actually think.
I’ll help! Throw the hobag under the bus!
I hope Mr. lewis is correct. The critics say Pelosi will hold against leaks but this viewpoint lacks an understanding of media in the age of the internet. Remember Dan Rather and CBS.
The way events have transpired since
9/11 I almost wish the heros of flight 93 would have failed. I think it would have created a real attitude change with reguards to this Muslim nonsense.
Truth and Liberal Statist are like oil and water. Truth is a standard you apply for convenience, usually to others. The end result–their agenda, their control, justifies the means. That includes anything. Anything.
The “liberal light” followers don’t realize how ruthless their underlying agenda is, they’re so steeped in self-righteousness. That’s also why they disregard the history of socialism–even current failures. “We’re better than them–ours is going to work!”
Again, inoculated against truth and moral standards, they drift with the power flow generated by the enforcing ideologues. Hence the successful self-destructing eco-green-climate control insanity. It fits the agenda, therefore any “science” that supports the end they feel is right, is right. Now even science has become a “consesus”. Again, truth–not important. Outcome–very important! Make it fit, whatever you have to do.
It’s just as backwards as their economic policies. Market freedom and trusting “unseen laws” of supply and demand and individual freedom—bad. Central control and enforcement of one small elitist group’s ideas and disempowerment of the individual—good! Even though it’s never worked.
Their game is, what and how much you can get away with before the public catches on. Even that’s only assuming the public, or our currently complicit media, can even do anything. Once we’ve been sufficiently marginalized to where our voice and votes are completely meaningless, which is getting close, then they won’t even need to keep up a front.
Hello fascism–their big fat chicken come home to roost—on our heads.
So don’t make the mistake that truth is really in the mix here. Oil can seem to be mixed in with water if you stir it fast enough. Just wait till the merry go round stops. All will be clear. But will it be too late?
This is where so many so-called Republicans are still so unbelievably lulled to sleep–they’re playing badminton with reptiles, thinking they’re somehow civilized politically. Wake up, people! They’re gonna eat you for lunch if you don’t snap out of it!
Democrats – the politicians and their operatives who control the media- will close ranks around Pelosi. Yesterday Politico attacked the GOP for it’s new low in accusing Pelosi of lying about the CIA.
This will take down Obama. He will be compelled to side with Pelosi. He has to. He has no leverage with Congress, and needs Pelosi and Reed to push through his agenda. Once he sides against the CIA bureaucracy, will begin to systematically dismantle the Obama administration. Nothing personal. They will just be defending their turf.
This will take down Obama. He will be compelled to side with Pelosi. He has to. He has no leverage with Congress, and needs Pelosi and Reed to push through his agenda. Once he sides against the CIA bureaucrats, they will begin to systematically dismantle the Obama administration. Nothing personal. They will just be defending their turf.
Immanuel–Obama will come out on top–whatever happens to Pelosi. I wish you were right. Just watch. It’s games with no consequence as long as he is in power. They’ll use this to put more fear in anyone else who gets out of line somehow and he’ll come out the stronger.
Nothing but a miracle of God will move this guy away from continuing to execute his agenda–if it costs our economy, sovereignty, military, civil order, constitution, way of life. Connect the dots. It’s frightening, yes.
Wishful thinking, I’m afraid. So, “Obama may be forced to pick sides”?
Forced by whom?? The White House press corps? NBC? The New York Times?
Anyone with half a brain knew Pelosi and rest were lying all along. I am surprised that it took the Bush administration so long to make their case publicly. The Dems knew that the Bush people would never comment on national security issues because they felt lives were at stake. Now that Obama is betraying us by telling the terorists our secrets, the Bush people can fight back. Poor stupid liberals.
NYC–exactly. Straw men everywhere. Let’s get real.
If her San Francisco voters understand that she’s been lying to them for eight whole years about waterboarding, furious peasants with pitchforks will be marching up the Castro.
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As you say, her district is one of the most radical in the country. Don’t hold your breath for them to vote her out, no matter how egregious her under-cover-of-night machinations have been.
Unless those arm-chair statists realize THEY will be downsizing, to smaller cars, smaller wine vaults, fewer trips, rolling blackouts, etc. due to her corruption, they will still see her as one of their own.
pelosi needs to remember one thing, “the company” not only knows where the bodies are buried, but who put them there and why. panetta is a democrat, but he is also a career bureaucrat and will sacrifice anyone or anything to keep his job, up to and including both pelosi and obama. politics is a dirty business as practised in washington, but bureaucratic infighting is even meaner and more viscious. politicians come and go, the apparat goes on forever, just ask the russians, they’ll tell you.
30Ked5–”Even if” instead of “Unless” in your last para. Lived in NorCal 10 years–she’s the perfect bipolar manic whack job for SF–they’ll keep her. Obammer will play with her like a cat plays with a frightened injured mouse for a while to get her fully submitted and in line for future use.
Couldn’t agree more with ked5:
“…As you say, her district is one of the most radical in the country. Don’t hold your breath for them to vote her out, no matter how egregious her under-cover-of-night machinations have been.
Unless those arm-chair statists realize THEY will be downsizing, to smaller cars, smaller wine vaults, fewer trips, rolling blackouts, etc. due to her corruption, they will still see her as one of their own.”
Having lived in SF for several years it is the filthy mosh-pit of a strange symbiosis. With no middle class, the SF trust-fund kids can allay their guilt by supporting the counterculture experiment that is SF. It is only a playground for the smug and superior to vent their hatred upon the productive segments of American culture.
Pelosi is not loved by them any more than any other person. But she is part of their tribe. She can burn down half their city and they’ll think this is just the new order of the day. There will be no retribution from the Left whatsoever from this crisis.
2. Ozzie writes:
“It’s fun to watch, but nothing will come of it.”
Except, Ozzie, for the fumlinating resentment that may manifest itself in 2010 and 2012.
“Ms. Pelosi is therefore asking us to believe that in those panicky months her delicate sensibilities were on the side of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed — and not on the side of all the career politicians of Washington, D.C. Like herself.”
Are you really this stupid? The concept of strawman assumes that the two sides of the discourse are on the same planet: you sir, are completely out of your mind. The relevant issues here are international and domestic law. The Convention Against Torture is very clear about our obligations:
No official of the Government, federal, state or local, civilian or military, is authorized to commit or to instruct anyone else to commit torture…No exceptional circumstances may be invoked as a justification of torture. United States law contains no provision permitting otherwise prohibited acts of torture …to be employed on grounds of exigent circumstances (for example, during a “state of public emergency”)… (Committee Against Torture 4)
Moreover, the US acknowledged this fact when reporting back to the UN on its success in implementing the articles of the convention:
“Torture is prohibited by law throughout the United States. It is categorically denounced as a matter of policy and as a tool of state authority. Every act constituting torture under the Convention constitutes a criminal offence under the law of the United States.” (Committee Against Torture 4)
Reagan signed the damn thing, it was ratified by the Senate. Do you think that in the year 1999 no one had ever imagined an incident that would kill three thousand people? For god’s sake, many nations experience that kind of thing on a yearly basis. Obviously, when the convention and the US said “no provision” and “no circumstance” they knew what they were talking about.
If that isn’t enough for you, the 8th Ammendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
It doesn’t matter whether Pelosi wanted to suck a terrorist’s nipple, torture is against American and International law. Why don’t you focus on your own backyard first, then move on to Pelosi, you irresponsible hypocrite.
I predict a swan dive under the bus for Mrs Pelosi.
Obama will disavow her by claiming that she came to power in the Bush Administration, and is therefore “not his fault”.
Senior Democratic leaders may suggest an inquiry into how the Bush Administration allowed a mad woman to reach such a position of power.
Are you sure you want to prevent people from posting the relevant legal structure involved here? It makes you look like a propagandist afraid to let his sheep see anything that might make them question your assertions.
Well, of course, I already thought that. But I didn’t know you were going to be such a pansy about it. Oh wait, I kind of knew that too.
Lies oh yeah lets see. Iraq had weapons of mass destruction we need to invade them.
Iraq and Saddam were responsible for destroying the twin towers we need to invade them.
We do not wiretap illegally only foreign subjects. (Oh by the way we just accidently wiretapped Jane Harman and goodness knows how many other innocent people)
We do not torture.
We did not fire attorneys for political reasons.
And I could go on and on and on.
But then I guess republicans know how to lie and get the public to believe them. Unlike when the Dems are out front, the republicans have a way to screw the facts.
Bilgeman, I think the CIA would do a better job then the Demonrats are doing.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t07.htm
Read it and weep. The unemployment rate for prime rioting age is about 22%. That means 1 out of 5 ‘youths’ ( to borrow, no steal, a French euphuism) is ready for a little burning, pillaging and looting. Total population for 15 to 19 is a little over 20 mill.
So lets figure about half those are that critical 17 to 19 age group or about 10 mill, 1 out of 5 means 2 million are available for looting and rapine.
There are about 850,000 cops in America, counting airport and museum guards, DEA agents as well as ATF and other unsavory members of the FOP.
While I have no doubt that the average American cop will have no problems dealing with 3 or 4 ‘youths’ apiece, those ‘youths’ will be hard to catch.
When you look at the unemployment rate for the 18 to 24 age group, it is almost as high. The real issue will be those college grads that end up swinging a shovel on one of the ‘shovel ready’ projects that doesn’t seem to be quite ready yet. 4 years of college and the only job available is swinging a shovel? How do you suppose they will vote in 2010? Especially when Mr Steele makes a point of the fact that they are in the position they are in because of their ’08 vote. The MSM and the Demonrats will play the ‘blame Bush’ card, but the fact is it won’t work. The out of power party is out of power. The voters cannot touch them now. The voters CAN touch the party in power. Hard enough to leave a mark.
“Official” unemployment rates are at 8.9% which is sort of odd, considering the total number of jobs lost climbs every month without effecting the percentage.
All these chickens will coming home to roost in the waning days of summer, 2010.
What gives me hope and keeps me entertained is the thought that once he’s out of the Oval office, all the Usurper’s work will vanish like morning dew under a blazing sun. His signature will not be valid, which means EVER piece of paper he signed while in the Oval Office will be null and void.
A generation of Socialist scheming up in smoke.
If the Republican party is msrt enough to not support RINO’s in 2010, then conservatives have a chance to give the Voters what the want, which is honest competent government. THE RNC has to pre-screen candidates for honer and integrity.
No more Republicans that use earmarks. Zero tolerance. If they post an earmark, toss them from the party.
If any candidate seems to want to hold office as a means of increasing their offshore bank account, make them do it as a democrat.
NYC- The Obama administration is a lot more fragile than is apparent right now. It has deep fault lines in it’s ruling coalition, and will be unable to hold against entrenched Washington bureaucracies when it’s policies threaten them. Bush couldn’t do it, Clinton couldn’t do it, neither could Carter, Reagan or Nixon. Nothing less than a full on, bloody revolution can extract these lifelong bureaucrats from their positions of anonymously held power.
In the case of classic government “Big Lies,” you have the primary liars and their supporters/lackeys who set up the lies and spread disinfo to both support them and to disparage anyone publicly questioning or contradicting them — the Bad Guys. For the 8 yrs prior to January 20th of this year, these would be Bush and his people, as well as the usual malicious numbnuts at places like the American Enterprise Institute and the Weekly Standard.
One Big Lie that Cheney is still pushing is that torture techniques like waterboarding helped keep this country safer, but the FBI at least has a very different opinion on that.
But a truly effective Big Lie also needs enablers — people in position who should have have known what was going on and hence could have done something, anything, even if it only to drop some choice anonymous tips to reporters who would do diligent follow-up — but don’t. The worst of these types of enablers are the hypocrites — as when the poop starts hitting the fan down the road over one or more of the Big Lies and these enablers come out to self-righteously condemn the Bad Guys and act as though they too had been betrayed and lied to.
Regardless if you think Bush and Cheney should have been locked up a long time ago, or instead believe that they will be vindicated in the future (umm, no….), nobody but nobody likes a hypocrite, so it’s very safe to say that Pelosi has very few genuine friends in high places at the moment.
..wow..the trolls just woke up..
Oscar Wao:
Define “torture,” please. In a specific and clear manner which gives unambiguous operational guidance to interrogators.
42.B- Really. Better late than make sense, they always say.
Let me clarify one thing: she’s not in danger of being voted out of her congressional seat, she just may be forced to resign as speaker.
The CIA lied?
Pelosi’s fried.
Are you really this stupid? The concept of strawman assumes that the two sides of the discourse are on the same planet: you sir, are completely out of your mind. The relevant issues here are international and domestic law. The Convention Against Torture is very clear about our obligations:
Are you really this stupid?
No but you are. As Obama’s Justice Department argued in Court filings this month the law defines torture as a specific intent offense.
Do you have a clue what those words mean? They mean that the purpose of the alleged act of torture must be to inflict pain or suffering, or it isn’t torture.
The application of fright for the purpose of protecting innocent life: learning whether there are other plots or how the enemy is organized – is not torture. It’s the application of common sense.
I guarantee you that if bin Laden is taken alive Biden and Obama will be jostling each other to see who gets to pour the water.
There are 600 prisoners in Afghanistan. Do you lefties really think they are as well off as the 240 in the tropical paradise of Cuba? Do you really think a maximum security prison in the United States is a nicer place than the state of the art facility in Cuba where the prisoners enjoy glorious weather and are better fed than 99% of the world’s population.
Incidentally, Obama has reserved to himself the right to waterboard. If anyone as high value as the al Qaeda troika – KSM and company- is caught there is not the slightest doubt he will use it.
This is all about politicking for the benefit of the uninformed. It’s the same shit as Bush lied, an unabashed lie which is still repeated by partisans even though two bi-patisan Congressional committees concluded that he didn’t lie and even though Democrats who saw the same intelligence as Bush came to the same conclusions.
#39 typos:
“I think the CIA would do a better job then the Demonrats are doing.”
They might at that,(though I rather doubt it, since they’re also collecting government checks), but on the off chance that it doesn’t, then we’ve got us some problems the likes of which makes the present challenges against the Alleged Hawaiian and his racketeers look pretty tame.
Collusion is the prelude to collision.
TO: All
RE: The Lie about Lies
Another dumber-than-dirt ‘jackass’ true-believer heard from. Can’t remember the Hussein used chemical WMDs on the Iranians and his own Kurd population.
Let alone that he wouldn’t let UN inspectors in to see what was happening at various locations.
These idiots wouldn’t recognize the truth of a matter if it bit them in the ass.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The stupid are always with you.]
The press looks like it is protecting her, despite their questions. She has run out of the country to escape the questions until it dies down.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
The straw man was the one looking for a brain. I hope you find one.
Iraq and Saddam were responsible for destroying the twin towers we need to invade them.
Exactly who said that, Marge?
Someone else on a different thread made the observation that the trolls are getting more incoherent and obtuse lately. I second that. Is there some bad hooch making the rounds, or are they just getting paid by the comment? I mean some of this stuff is just plain gibberish. What isn’t falls far short of an argument (i.e. “look it up”).
Non?
It’s interesting how worked up the lefties get over waterboarding. My suspicion is that their righteous fury is more a way of demonstrating to everyone how moral they are than any genuine outrage.
1: Define X as torture.
2. Scream and shout about how the Bush administration are war criminals, since they did X to the poor, innocent terrorists.
3. Bask in your own sense of righteousness.
#50 Chuck Pelto:
“These idiots wouldn’t recognize the truth of a matter if it bit them in the ass.”
Not worth the effort, Colonel. Her feeble tirade addressed absolutely none of the issues raised in the article about Pelosi, the CIA, Panetta, or Obama.
She just had what, back in the day, some would have called a “Nixon Fit”.
It sure would be nice for the populace to finally see through pelosi’s and the lefts agenda because congress won’t do jack unless they think their jobs are on the line. remember the dems control congress. They won’t allow investigations and I believe pelosi has already stated “that’s the last I will comment on this issue”. boobama won’t do dick. he’ll just vote present. Keep in mind this congress just hired a speed reader to read the last bill for them. I don’t know how they can sit down with balls that big. They stopped the closing of gitmo because boobama didn’t have a plan. That was a few measley millions compared to the trillions that they do approve. Meanwhile when all this other crap is taking up the news Cap and Trade is up for a vote soon in the house. Gee I wonder if that’s just a coincidence.
TO: Bilgeman
RE: That’s…..
….why I wasn’t addressing HER. Merely t[h]rashing her.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. -- Proverbs]
Marge.
What total BS!
“We did not fire attorneys for political reasons.”
Sure we do. They serve at the pleasure of the President. For those a bit slow off the starting block, this means that the President can fire them because (s)he does not like the color of his tie or the cut of her blouse, and there ain’t squat anyone can do about it.
–The UnPatriot
That was the Cap and Trade bill that was being read by the speed reader. The Republicans had insisted in it being read aloud. The dems hired a speed reader to do it and all the dems had a good laugh. That should be shown on every channel so noone misses it.
- Can’t remember the Hussein used chemical WMDs on the Iranians and his own Kurd population.
These folks also have a very selective memory when it comes to WHO actually said WHAT about WMDs, Saddam, etc.
The whores in the entrenched, Fifth Column media have done an absolutely amazing job of telling some of the biggest lies ever told – convincing a significant number of Americans in the process that black is white, up is down and that Bush ever lied… about anything.
“They received enthusiastic support from Europe, from the corrupt Jacques Chirac in France and the sleazy Gerhardt Schroeder in Berlin”
nope, a part the “veto”, no discourse was pronounced.
In the contrary, CIA opened an office in Paris to work with the french renseignements services
54–Sir Boomer. It’s true. They’re spazzing out. We should probably take some encouragement. What has been so obvious to us is apparently getting more obvious to many and less defensible so it’s time for “I’m rubber you’re glue” school yard fits before they run back to mommy and nurse on some more propaganda.
Of course Obummer himself told his klingons to simply “get in their faces”. Doesn’t mean it has to make sense anyway.
45. Self-hating Boomer:
Let me clarify one thing: she’s not in danger of being voted out of her congressional seat, she just may be forced to resign as speaker.
~~~
it could only be an improvement. who’s next in line for speaker?
@61 goy
Bravo. Every single effing prominent Democrat in Congress, including Ted Kennedy, warned of the dangers of Saddam and most voted to oust him. But as soon as Bush took the steps they urged and voted for they changed course when the going got tough for partisan political advantage .
You either have to be cluelessly uninformed or a moral retard to support the Democrats. When it was pointed out to Albright that 500,000 Iraqi children had died because of sanctions she said it was worth it to deal with the threat posed by Saddam.
Everytime I see the words Bush lied (other than here) I know I am reading the words of a liar or moron and often both.
I guess everyone knew that clinton fired all of attorneys! I guess it’s better to fire all of them, not just 8. Right!! Did you know that Marge?
For the trolls, torture is cutting off limbs, drilling teeth, gouging eyes, cutting off heads etc. Water boarding has a limit, has a dr standing by and they don’t drown. They keep saying we are worried they will do it to us. Well, I guess we do it to our own enlisted men and women. I only wish they would do that and leave the heads attached to the bodies.
Nothing will happen to Pelosi. Like many of the corporations in this country “She is too big to fail”.
Pelosi needs to resign. She is a danger to our national security. Even liberal imbeciles should know that.
I’m always hearing that the CIA is packed with Democrats. Is this true? Do you suppose they’re feeling conflicted now? I really don’t know.
It is true that there is a blatant double standard, democrats lie routinely and get away with it while Republicans are burned at the stake for the slightest infraction. And the liberal media won’t touch the issue since it is already in the Democrats’ hip pocket.
However, this is a little different. This is one democrat accusing another of lying. One of them is wrong. If it continues sooner or later Obama and his lackeys in the media will have to choose sides. After 8 years of rabid Bush hatred this will be a fascinating spectacle to watch. Any bets on who gets thrown under the bus??
37. Oscar Wao:
You do realize there’s a period of time between posting something and its appearance on the site, right? A super-genius such as yourself should probably realize that before going off half-cocked and calling others “pansies”.
47:
No but you are. As Obama’s Justice Department argued in Court filings this month the law defines torture as a specific intent offense.
Don’t disturb Oscar with something as petty as a definition of torture. He’s in high dudgeon mode and bringing him down to earth that forcefully could result in severe injuries. After which, he will probably accuse you of torture.
Lying for Democrats is the normal thing just as speaking curse words.
Pelosi’s lying on his issue is meaningless to her constituents.
The only lying that would matter is if she lyed about something that directly affects them like gay marriage etc
goy:
The whores in the entrenched, Fifth Column media have done an absolutely amazing job of telling some of the biggest lies ever told – convincing a significant number of Americans in the process that black is white, up is down and that Bush ever lied… about anything.
Or that Obama is qualified to be POTUS.
TO: Khirl, et al.
RE: Indeed
The Law and the Constitution mean NOTHING to them.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Show US the birth certificate!]
Impeach obama and send him back to native Kenya.
Jail the whole damn rest of them.
REVOLUTION!
Ozzie is correct.
And its even worse. The public may be debauched but they also have seen clear as day that the pubbies are nothing but crooks. So like it matters, ey? At least maybe Zero will throw a few bones their way.
If you have money I suggest Chile. I hear you can live like a king there for $20k a year.
Steve,
Panetta.
69.Steve; 76.Scott
Scott, you’re probably right.
It’s interesting that one of the factors arguing for Panetta’s selection as CIA head (even by conservatives) was that he was seen as a “gray eminence”–i.e., one of the “old-generation, trustworthy ones” who would not be partisan.
If you’re right, Scott, he’ll find out what happens to dems who are not willing to be partisan on command. It won’t be pretty.
Watching the left spin out of control trying to ‘save’ their lame-@ssed vote for the psycho-in-charge of our country is not worth so much as a dry, gasping guffaw. I’ve never felt so gut-wrenchingly horrified over being RIGHT in my life. I wanted to believe I truly was a right-wing nutter ‘imagining’ the worst case scenario. Now my ‘worst case scenario’ is actually looking pretty f*cking good in hindsight.
UGH
more lies at americanthinker.com. article on ghost writers and pols. More proof that Ayers wrote Dreams of My Father. Obama is a fraud.
What makes my neck red is that what Fancy Nancy has done is MUCH MUCH worse then what Delay or Scooter did. Of even the steal it if it ain’t nailed down pack that was featured in the Abscam case.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Abscam_bribery_scandal
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Nineteen people, including seven members of Congress, were eventually convicted in the Abscam case in 1980 and 1981:
Members of Congress
* Rep. Raymond F. Lederer (D-Pa.) — convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000. [21]
* Rep. John M. Murphy (D-N.Y.) — convicted of conspiracy and receiving an unlawful gratuity (the latter charge was set aside by an appellate court); sentenced to three years in prison and fined $10,000. [22]
* Rep. Michael J. Myers (D-Pa.) — convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000. [23]
* Rep. Frank Thompson Jr. (D-N.J.) — convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentence was delayed pending an evaluation of his medical condition. [24]
Other officials
* Angelo J. Errichetti, then-Mayor of Camden, N.J. — convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000. [25]
* Louis C. Johanson, a then-member of the Philadelphia City Council — convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000. [26]
Others convicted
* Howard L. Criden, a Philadelphia lawyer — convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000. [27] ”
The FBI could run an Abscam every week and cath a dozen new crooks every week. Please note that Abscam had no effect on the gang of criminals in Congress. Fancy Nancy has gone beyond selling influence to giving aid and comfortto the enemy. What is really scary is that is a 120 kiloton nuke hidden in a shrimp boat goes off at Pier 6 while Nancy is back home and Big Moth and the Usurper ( a good name for a grung band) are in D.C., then Nancy is President.
I’ll bet you the CIA has a wet team standing by, just in case.
Nancy thinks this is all going to go away if she ignores it. I got the 411 for her. It ain’t. She declared war on the CIA and the CIA isn’t going to lose and they don’t take prisoners. Thousands of analysts have been going over her and her husbands past. If they find something, it will be leaked. If they don’t, the CIA has excellent manufacturing facilities and can cook up what ever they need in the way of ‘evidence’ which will then be leaked. The Press won’t touch the Usurper, but Fancy Nancy is fair game. The press destroyed Lott, who did nothing, so Nancy will face the death of athousand cuts. Ever week or tn days another juicy tidbit will be feed to the Press. After a few months Nancy will figure it out and resign. Enough Press conferences with her getting embarrassing questions and the media laughing at her answers. When they start asking DC Bob those questions, the Usurper will want her gone. Maybe he can do what he did with the Clintons and banish them. Hillery all over the world and Bill to AIDS Central.
And they say liberal congresswomen are more nurturing. Yeah, right. They tell nurturing lies.
All of this debate would be moot if the CIA had used Neti Pots instead of water boarding.
Comrades, it’s too early the demise of the liberal elites. Read here my explanation why Pelosi’s weakeness is helping Obama.
http://hyphenatedamericans.blogspot.com/2009/05/month-of-long-knifes.html
Anyway, best liberal defense of Pelosi is that she is a submissive bitch. I am not kidding you…
http://hyphenatedamericans.blogspot.com/2009/05/liberal-defense-of-nancy-pelosi-she-is.html
“…[the CIA] knows where all the bodies are buried.” Well, here’s hoping there’s more (Dem) bodies buried real soon.
This story won’t go away, and the bodies are just starting to pile up with this bunch. Republicans are out of power. Democrats can try to maintain their bogeymen but all they really have to shoot at is each other. I love a good circular firing squad. Bring it on.
Nancy Pelosi, who can also be seen as a Communist sympathizer due to her deep ties to certain career “mentors” and supporters, is now clinging to the edge of a cliff by a fingernail. And she knows it. Her fear at Friday’s press conference was palpable and that bodes ill for the entire administration.
She’s made an incredibly stupid mistake with her lies about the CIA and if the pressure can be kept upon the issue, I agree that the entire administration stands to fall like a house of cards. Even Obama doesn’t have the backing to keep himself from falling with her because, frankly, there are too many people in this country who are flat-out angry and visibly upset with everything that has happened since January 20th. The way the wool is being pulled over our eyes is just too obvious; the never-ending campaign rhetoric has gone stale, and collusion between the administration and certain big businesses, particularly media outlets (and the fact the White House is now issuing its own “packets” to the media) is going to cause a backlash that will, one can only hope, put this country back on track.
One can only hope this happens sooner than later.
Nancy has boogied to Shanghai, to discuss pollution with the Chinese, who dump industrial waste into rivers with alacrity, who build another dirty coal plant about every other day, whose(formerly beautiful) country houses 7 of the 10 most polluted cities in the world, whose “capitalized” citizens are buying gas guzzling automobiles up the wazoo and whose particle filled, polluted air wafts across the Pacific to high above Los Angeles.
John Kerry is over there for the same conference.
Did Nancy fly over on her private jet ? Did John Boy and Nancy share a plane ?
Inquiring minds want to know.
#86 tanstaafl:
“Nancy has boogied to Shanghai, to discuss pollution with the Chinese,”
I think that that’s just the cover story.
Her and John Kerry were recalled by their masters for further instructions.
Chuck, yes the wages of sin are substantial (with Party union benefits) for politicians. The key voters in this country are independants though, and that is why we must keeping bashing the left and machine Democrats with the evil, nasty reality of their corruption.
It was United flight 93, not American Air 93.
Perhaps if they had destroyed the Capitol or the W House, it would have taken several more years to forget and elect someone more understanding of their grievances.
Nitpick: Flight 93 was a United flight, not American.
Until some people change the definition of “torture” and “cruel and unusual”. It is the marxist way of the dialectical to use the language any way they wish to accomplish their ends. And, I have probably been on this planet longer than you. You don’t impress me at all with your condescending analysis. This is why conservatives want a Supreme Court that uses original intent, not modern PC definitions.
So Nancy says “they lied to US all the time” then where are the others standing by her side agreeing that they too have been deceived?
You’re forgetting how ultrablue the San Francisco electorate is. Even if conclusively proved she lied on this one issue the DailyKos crowd will simply put it out of their minds (or still blame Bush) and focus on the many other issues where they are in agreement.
Democrat voters consist of liberals and Leftists, with the main difference being that the larger, more passive group (i.e. the liberals) is ignorant of the ultimate goals of the smaller, more active one (i.e. the Leftists). And once again, the “liberal” is unwittingly occupying the role of the “useful idiot” in the advancement of the Left’s true agenda.
Everything that this article speaks to can easily be understood and placed into its proper context by simply reading the words of one of the Left’s heroes.
The irrational hatred of the Bush Administration?
The means by which that hatred was produced?
Degenerate, hypocritical, opportunistic liars like Obama, Pelosi, et al?
Any questions?
Oscar Wao:
Please tell me exactly how many innocent American victims you would accept in order to not inconvenience a known terrorist.
The only allowable answer is ‘One. Me.’
Then I would know you had the courage of your convictions – but I know you don’t. You’re just a wussy liberal who is uncomfortable with the reality that the world isn’t a big playground with benevolent teachers carefully overseeing your play.
spit happens. quit wishing it won’t. Utopias are only found in the mind, where reality isn’t.
No questions
Maybe a little expansion…
That the Left postures as though it is on the side of social justice, but it is on the side of the greatest and most pernicious violators of social justice. And its hands are drenched in human blood in terms of the mass murdering ideologies and regimes it has supported and aided and abetted.
~Jamie Glazov, United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror
I’m still waiting on Oscar to post the pertinent definition of “torture.”
We all know it is illegal.
But what is the definition?
Allow me to help. As you might imagine, its…um…complicated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture
For understanding “torture” in the context of Guantanamo, try common sense or…
Reading Andrew McCarthy for some clarifying light
My personal definition of “torcher” involves listening to Nancy Pelosi (et al.) endlessly bloviate, dissemble and prevaricate.
It’s quite simple – the Democrats have been traitors who for political reasons have attempted to sabotage an American President doing his best to protect the American People.
Nancy Pelosi and her ilk? If there were justice they would all hang.
James Lewis:
“Obama may be forced to pick sides.”
Dream on! Switching sides and passing bucks are what our President does best. Folks on the right need to rid themselves of their obsession with Obama and their conviction that eventually he’ll run into the brick wall of reality or of governing vs. campaigning or of leaks from a disgruntled CIA, or, or, or…. Not gonna happen.
As you yourself point out, Presidents come and go, but Congress is forever. Obama’s 100 Days would have been a dismal failure without the Democratic majority in Washington. Happily, Congress is also the weakest link in the Obama chain, because the Obama machine exists for the sole purpose of building up Obama, not helping other Democrats. Unhappily, the disparity between Obama’s popularity numbers and the sorry ratings of Congress are a virtual roadmap that Republicans don’t seem to be reading.
It’s clear that Pelosi is lying, but that will hardly matter if Republicans aren’t actually naming the names of her enablers, exploiting Democratic divisions for a change, and exposing the cynical cronyism of “Pelosi’s Congress” to sunlight. Republicans don’t even need to defeat Obama in 2012, if they make a decent start on taking Congress back in 2010. Democrats never defeated George Bush, and he was no salesman. If they had been pushing an identifiable agenda of their own, instead of fixing their sights on the President, it wouldn’t have taken them six years to turn the tables.
I only hope Republicans don’t make that same mistake with a President who can shift gears as effortlessly as Obama does and who, unlike his predecessor, is out in front of the public selling himself everyday.
United 93.
Oh, I dunno If Madam Pelosi wishes to plead ignorance, perhaps we should give her the benefit of the doubt.
Pelosi has a seat for life in her SF district. She will be there for many more botox injection sessions.
Mr. Lewis is a keen observer, but far too optimistic on the topic at hand–perhaps in part because he unconsciously applies the scientific method to Liberal/Democrat politics.
To start, Lewis observes that Pelosi and fellow Dem Leon Panetta are telling contradictory stories about who’s lying. Our host concludes that one must therefore fail, and then be either abandoned or overtly destroyed by the rest of the Dem/Liberal pack.
But a far more likely outcome is…nothing of the sort. It all vanishes, with the help of a cooperative press. Panetta has no need to defend “his” agency by attacking Pelosi if the press isn’t pressing the issue. And they won’t–because they have every interest in strengthening, not weakening, the Dem/Liberal cause. Case closed.
Second: Seeing the two contradictory stories from Pelosi and Panetta, our scientist-host concludes that Obama will be forced to throw one of the two under the bus. But this seems rather naive–again because there is no pressure from the press to get to the bottom of the issue. Accordingly, why would Obama be *forced* to choose between the two?
The problem with most conservatives here (and I’m one) is that y’all are applying the kind of reasoning and logic used when *Republicans* are in charge. When Dems run all the branches, the logic changes to “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” and “anything’s fair to keep Dem/Liberals in power.”
Finally, our host believes CIA bureaucrats–their careers or even their freedom allegedly put in jeopardy by Pelosi–will be moved to fight back by sinking Pelosi. Again, this would be the case if a Republican were president, but not now. The bureaucrats know that, rhetoric notwithstanding, the notion of putting everyone involved in waterboarding on trial is only intended to snag Cheney and possibly Bush–not the CIA people. Plus (again) there’s no push by the press. So there’s no need to fight.
But in any case, enjoyed the article.