Pallywood Returns: Palestinian Doctors and Human Rights Group B’Tselem Smear Israel with a Likely Faked X-Ray (PJM Exclusive)
An Israeli human rights group is calling for an investigation into the deaths of two Palestinians who died as a results of wounds they sustained during a riot in Nablus. Israeli forces claim they fired rubber-coated bullets in an attempt to disperse a violent crowd. But B’Tselem claims that an X-ray of the skull of Osayed Qadus clearly shows a regular rifle bullet in his head. And a claim that live bullets were fired at Palestinian protesters is nothing more or less than an accusation of attempted murder.
Indeed, the image released to the media does seem to show what may be a bullet in what is purported to be the skull of Osayed Qadus. Unfortunately for B’Tselem and for the credibility of the Palestinian doctors at Nablus Specialty Hospital, the identity of who put the bullet in Qadus’ head is very much in doubt.
Almost certainly, the bullet depicted in the X-ray did not come from an Israeli rifle.
To understand the problem with B’Tselem’s claim, it helps to have an understanding of both the rubber-coated steel projectiles used as less-lethal weapons by Israel and the very deadly bullets used to kill by armed forces in both sides of the ongoing conflict.
It would be very difficult, if not impossible, for Israeli soldiers to accidentally fire live bullets instead of rubber-coated projectiles, because the rubber-coated projectiles are not fired down the barrel like regular bullets. Instead, the round or oblong projectiles are housed in an adaptor affixed to the end of the barrel, where the expanding gases of blanks fired by the gun propels them downrange.
While coated in rubber, these projectiles do have the power to kill at close range, and Israeli forces have standing orders not to fire them inside 40 meters. The IDF fire in this incident is reported to have occurred at 70 meters.
The common small arms caliber used by the Israel Defense Forces is the same 5.56mm NATO cartridge used by most Western nations, including the United States. The standard 62-grain SS109 cartridge used by Israeli forces has a somewhat checkered reputation when used in M4 carbines, due to the lower velocities the bullet can attain in the short 14.5″ barrel. While the cartridge tends to tumble and fragment at the higher velocities attained in 20″ M16 barrels, the short barrel and lower velocity of the M4 means that the cartridge doesn’t tumble or fragment as readily, and instead often punctures straight through a human-sized target.
If you look at the X-ray, however, you do not see what you would expect to find in a 5.56mm bullet fired at relatively close range from either of these weapons. There is no catastrophic fragmentation, as you would expect to find from a SS109 bullet fired by an M-16 at this range. Nor is there the through-and-through wound one might expect from an M-4 punching through the front of the skull and out the rear.
They can’t even make a decent fake.
At the ranges we are talking about, the skull would have shattered, the bullet would be deformed and the core would probably seperated from the jacket, and it would have passed all the way through.
This is definitely a fake. The entrance wound is not consistent with a bullet wound and there are no visible secondary impacts inside the skull.
Why would they bother making a decent fake? Not even CBS took any trouble to make period documents. The Palestinians know how the media works better than anyone; they just make an assertion that everybody knows to be false, and wait for the regressives in the media to carry water for them. Everyone knows what the score is, there’s no need for a conspiracy. Those who don’t believe in honor can’t be honorable; those who don’t believe in integrity can’t be honest except by accident. Belief drives action, and once you know the beliefs of the propagandists it’s no longer any surprise they have no respect for facts or truth. All that is required is enough of a fig leaf to gull the yokels, and the propaganda industry will scream the falsehood loud enough to make their spiritual father Goebbels proud as a peacock.
dittos to Old Soldier.
It looks like a larger caliber to me, logically the AK caliber. That is a high energy round, not quite the equal of the 7.62×51 NATO rifle round (civilian .308 hunting rifle equivalent) but significantly more energetic at impact than the 5.56 israeli, which after all is only .22 caliber.
the AK round is a third larger diameter and twice the weight. It travels at almost the same speed as the 5.56.
Energy transfer is the deal here. If the bullet did not pass completely through the skull, then the energy of the bullet would have had to be transferred to whatever it hit, first the bone and then the brains. But brain tissue is not terribly dense or tough. For the bullet to have penetrated one side of the skull and then stopped, in situ, without any deformation of it, before striking the other side of the skull, it would have had to be travelling at far less speed than these rifles produce. Otherwise the energy in the bullet would have pushed it on through the other side of the skull, or else destroyed/fragmented the bullet, thus dispensing with its energy.
This bullet is in one piece, in brain tissue, supposedly a military rifle bullet (but larger than Israeli issue).
Energy transfer is within laws of physics. If the bullet’s energy had been transferred, it would be smashed or the skull would be penetrated in more than one place. The picture shows a bullet in a situation where common sense says it should not be– whole, and suspended in brain tissue after penetrating a thin layer of bone.
AK47 rounds travel at 2500 feet per second, more or less. This bullet looks like it hit the skull at less than 1000 fps, if it in fact was fired at all…. which I DOUBT.
I am a radiologist and I read CT for a living. The image at Ynet is a “scanogram”, a planning image obtained as part of a CT scan. The measurements on the top of the image are centimeters. The diameter of the projectile can be easily determined on the actual CT by measurement, there will be some artifact by not enough to be 2mm off. There is some magnification on the scanogram, but that sure looks bigger than a 5mm projectile.
The lack of fragmentation suggests that this is not a 5.56mm round fired at short range, I agree. The 180-degree yaw is not uncommon for a projectile, and there sure does appear to be a hole in the frontal bone of the skull along with soft tissue swelling and a bandage.
I have seen CTs on GSW victims, the one I remember in particular had been shot within 10 yards with a .357 Magnum. His entire frontal bone was shattered and there was air throughout his head from the wound. A rifle projectile at short range, particularly a .223 from an M16 with a 20″ barrel, is carrying somewhere in the neighborhood of at least twice the energy of that .357 round, and would be expected to do far more damage.
This looks like someone hit from long range by a relatively low-velocity projectile, with enough energy to punch through the skull and yaw before slowing to a stop at the back of the skull. The brain isn’t much denser than chilled cheesecake, the dura is about as tough as leather of the same thickness. This is not at all the picture I would expect from a high-velocity impact. This is the kind of thing you might expect from a bullet fired into the air, which came down at a rather unfortunate angle and time for the victim.
B’Tselem pretends to be a “human rights” group, but actually maintains that Jews in Israel have no human rights.
Even if the x-ray is what it looks like, who fired the shot and from where? In a part of the world where “celebratory gunfire” is common, I imagine this sort of injury is not unheard of in people out hanging their laundry.
This is what I’ve saying all along. Look at the evidence, read it correctly. This is not the first time the Palestinians have pulled this scam. However, this is the first time that somebody in the media has called them upon it. I hate to say this, the Palestinians do have 5.56 caliber weapons. Expect them to use that caliber next. Note in the x-ray that there is no bone fragmentation visible. An entry wound would show bone fragmentation of some sort.
“They want an investigation, claiming the IDF fired real bullets into a crowd.”
So, what if they did? If I was the Israelis I’d shoot the Pals dead every single time they tried to employ violence, and I’d make no apologies for doing so.
That’s what you do in a war.
You don’t waste time trying to figure out if the Pal terrorists are throwing grenades today, or if they’re just heaving rocks, you just cut to the chase, and kill them.
Don’t want to get killed? Then stop with the violence.
It is OK to lie when following Mohammed, and Allah. I wonder when the terrorists Hamas will stop firing rockets at Israel.
Of course, the only subject the CFR can whine about is how the evil Jews continue to build in their country hurting the peace process.
WHAT peace process?
I worked at the Israeli Government Tourist Office in Toronto for one year. We had one person there who just dealt with the false news images pertaining to Israel and the Palestinian that came to our attention. The things I saw would make your hair turn white. The Arabs are masters at inflating the death toll of their enemies, deflating their own and photoshopping images to suit their own evil agendas.
I heard the American trainers have been giving 5.56 caliber rifles to the Fatah terrorists led by Abbas, while the Hamas terrorists are mostly using AK rifles. So bullet size is not a proof of shooter.
Here are the facts of this case. The X-ray was not faked, but real. The bullet caliber was 7.62 which is used by an AK47. The only people that use AK47’s are the muslims.
This information came from an Israeli ambulance driver and EMT.
When looking at cases such as this, you have to remember who the players are. The Israelis spend billions on healthcare and healthcare facilities. The muslims spend almost none. When they need healthcare, they expect it to be provided by the Israelis. All the aid money provided to the muslims is spent on salaries and graft, not on infrastructure.
To assume that the muslims can fake an X-ray is absurd because almost all X-rays are provided by the Israelis.
As in all democratic countries, the Israelis do not fire live rounds on demonstrators. The muslims claim otherwise, but then, almost everything they claim is a lie. Only the most gullible believe them.
BTW, Dave in Dallas, good guess and analysis. Only your conclusion was incorrect.
Arabs shoot people all the time and say Israel did it.
If you do not like Israel, you seek America’s destruction; if Israel, G-d forbid goes, Islam will rip America to the ground in short order…as ye sow…
An Ak47 bullet (.308) can be fired from many different types of weapons and the round can be hand loaded down in powder charge (subsonic) in order to be fired from a silenced weapon. thus giving it a low penetration. just something to think about.
3. Jim Wilson: wait for the regressives in the media to carry water
The media are “progressives”, i.e. progress toward the utopia of socialist revolution, not regress to status quo; we counter-revolutionaries are “reactionaries”, i.e. opponents of progress or liberalism.
Have to make the labels clear. We would be the first ones the “progressives” send to re-education camps if they won. We don’t want them to send the wrong people there, do we?
I don’t care…war is war..kill ‘em…
AND..quit apologizing for doing so!!!
Again war is war not a feather pillow fight.
sorry , no sympathy.
The ballistics discussion shows me that the Philistines are up to their old tricks.
Is there anyone out there with the know-how to determine if the bone structure of in the x-ray is of a 16 year old male?
There has damning testimony from its own front line soldiers.They revealed the killing of civilians and rules of engagement so lax that one combatant said that they amounted on occasion to “cold-blooded murder”.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html
Is this supposed to be funny?
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Israeli-Army-T-Shirts-Mock-Killing-Palestinian-Women-And-Children-During-Gaza-Offensive/Article/200903315245946?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_2
I agree with Dr. Darren. I am a radiologist as well. I am not a forensic expert yet I have seen many gunshot wounds to the head.
This is not an x-ray, which would have revealed much more information. It is the ‘scanogram’ obtained as the intitial part of setting up a CT scan.
To explain as brief as I can: Before the actual CT the technologist, after positioning the patient obtains a rough image with the tube not rotating to determine where to position and angle for the actual CT. That is what we are looking at here. It is not meant for diagnosis.
Then they pick the levels to start and stop and other parameters (the details of the art are important but skip them here) and run the actual scan where the tube and detectors rotate and aquire the actual CT images. They then use judgement to determine if anything needs to be repeated, they do so and submit the images for interpretation.
Metals absorb so much of the radiation they produce the ‘star artifact’ you can see as dark areas radiating from the ends of the metal object.
So to summarize as best I can.
A piece of metal shaped that way taped to the outside of the head would produce the same image on this low resolution image.
There is an apparent defect in the frontal bone, yet nobody would rely on that for diagnosis. I wanna see the real stuff. The point of the bullet seems pointed opposite to the apparent frontal wound, but these things flip around…a wash there. Lack of air density in the brain is not diagnostic either as that may not show up on a low resolution scanogram.
There is no real CT diagnostic image here and no skull film which would show the fracture pattern in detail.
My question right away is where is the CT axial showing the fracture pattern and trajectory? If you were making a case to prove something you would not have submitted this as your proof.
I repeat – a bullet taped to the outside of the skull would reproduce this image exactly. I would testify to that.
The lack of fragmentation is suspect also. All these things fragment to some extent and pieces of depressed skull fragment with it. A large bullet fired from a miltary rifle should do much more than this. No way a high velocity bullet could have done this. Here we see this seldom where the bullet is intact after going through the skull, maybe a .22 or a 9mm from a longer range, yet this thing is clearly larger than those.
Point is they submitted the least of what they had when I know they had better. A few axial CT slices would have proven the case beyong doubt. Lets see this thing inside the brain. We will never see that because I do not think it happened based on this evidence.
No, this is propoganda until otherwise proven. Maybe this person died. Maybe the IDF caused it but this looks like duct tape to me. Give me the whole series.
Spindok
war is hell.
eat or be eaten
no other country is so PC as the USA. Were afraid we’ll offend someone by blowing their head off as they try to kill us.
Seriously, all this whining about what’s fair or they did or did not do is not going to effect anyone else but us. There has been war for thousands of years in these countries…they don’t need our advice..or whining..
This wouldn’t be the first time the Palestinians shot up their own to frame the IDF. I am sure I do not have to remind the readers of Pajamas Media of the father and son who were shot up while caught in a Palestinian assault on an Israeli watchtower.
While I’m no expert, if I had my guess, I’d say #3 Jim Wilson is exactly right. That size and type of bullet, fired from the type of weapon and from the range cited by the Palestinians, would not even be recognizable to a layman’s eye as a bullet in the X-ray, making it next to useless as propaganda.
Think about that for a minute: If the Palestinians were being truthful about the circumstances, we would most likely not be talking about this, because there would be no visual aides to go along with their accusation. There would also be zero interest among Western media in covering it.
“rules of engagement”
My rules of engagement are simple: for every one of my civilians you kill, I’ll kill 10,000 of yours.
Works like a charm if you’re trying to rein in unruly despots or terrorists. Ask the people of Japan and Germany about it.
This reminds me of the poor lady in Lebanon who lost 4 or 5 houses to Israeli bombardment, to the poor lady in Iraq who got shot at and was holding up the rounds for the camera, except they had never been fired from a gun, or the billowing smoke all over Beirut from Israeli bombardments which was smoke in Reuters eyes … and on and on it goes. The MSM is either untrustworthy or incompetent, perhaps both. B’tselem should know a blood libel when it sees one if it wants to be a credible organization. The fact that it has turned a blind eye to this fraud speaks volumes about its judgment, or lack thereof.
Just a little added information. The Russians and Iranians produce AK weapons in 7.62 caliber, 5.6 caliber, and the really deadly 5.7 caliber. Unless you are an arms expert you couldn’t tell the weapons apart.
i sure hope rubber bullets hurt like hell.
That bullet has no deformation. The picture is a fake. That is an unfired bullet, either pulled from an assembled cartridge or from components used to reload cartridges. The spire point would have been damaged by any impact. You need something in the picture to give you scale, then you could estimate size pretty accurately by comparing length in pixels in the image.
“Nablus doctor Mahmoud Qaadan, who treated Qadus at Rapidia hospital, told Ynet that the findings were conclusive: ‘We had an entry and exit of a bullet. We do not have a bullet…’”
And yet the supposed X-ray shows a bullet, albeit one unlikely to have been from the IDF, in the brain. I guess the doc originally must have thought it was, er… well, I can’t hink what he had thought. Perhaps he hadn’t yet gotten the official line of propaganda from his terrorist controllers yet?
To the Palestinian liars & their media allies, only the accusation is important, all that counts is getting a quick headline. The propaganda value lies in the constant repetition of slanders & lies, if you repeat false accusations often enough, the impression left on public opinion is negative, the object is to delegitimize, to demonize, Israel & the Jews.
A primary objective of this campaign of propaganda is to render impossible any measures of self-defense on Israel’s part.
2. ROPMA:
This is definitely a fake. The entrance wound is not consistent with a bullet wound and there are no visible secondary impacts inside the skull.
Mar 24, 2010 – 10:28 am
What entrance wound? I don’t see one.
Unless the bullet magically teleported inside this poor fellow’s brain, we’re looking at a fake… and a really dumb one at that.
That, or we have a lot more to worry about than clumsy Mossad agents. Have the Jews discovered teleportation?
As intelligent as Israelis are… I doubt it.
Works like a charm if you’re trying to rein in unruly despots or terrorists. Ask the people of Japan and Germany about it.
Remember when al-qa’ida, sent out picture of their ‘captured American soldier’ during the toppling of saddam and the stupid LSM ran with it like they had a fountain of ‘gold’ in their news palaces, what bafoons.
Turned out to be a GIJoe doll quickly proven so by bloggers and their astute readers, almost instantly – love the internet, thanks bloggers.
It’s obvious LSM is a accurate moniker for MSM because it is a Leftist(ONLY) Stream Media.
Time to starve the vermin out.
Get balanced or get permanently tuned out.
During Operation Cast Lead, Israeli forces killed Palestinian civilians under permissive rules of engagement and intentionally destroyed their property, say soldiers who fought in the offensive.
The soldiers are graduates of the Yitzhak Rabin pre-military preparatory course at Oranim Academic College in Tivon.
Dozens of graduates of the course who took part in the discussion fought in the Gaza operation.
Israeli combat soldiers have acknowledged that they forced Palestinian civilians to serve as human shields, needlessly killed unarmed Gazans and improperly used white phosphorus
When statements came only from Palestinian witnesses or “the hostile press,” it was possible to dismiss them as propaganda that served the enemy. But what can be done when the soldiers themselves tell the story?
This included combat pilots and infantry soldiers. Their testimony runs counter to the Israel Defense Forces’ claims that Israeli troops observed a high level of moral behavior during the operation.
Mags
A Palestiann delibrately crushed the skull and in cold blood crushed the skull of a four years iold girl. The fact this guy is a hero tells a lot about Palestinans, The fact you side witnh them says a lot a bout you.
Thank you for posting that Haaretz article. Great quotes in there for those who recognize who started this war (Arabs), who keeps it going (Arabs), and who is using human shields (Arabs).
Other than that, there was nothing in the article that indicated lax rules of engagement when dealing with Arabs. Maybe if there was a lot more of that sort of sensible actions, the Arabs might realize they should stop attacking Israel.
This just came in on the news. Israeli forces were baited into Gaza by people planting bombs. In responding to the bomb threat, they were ambushed by Hamas. The results are two Israeli dead and two wounded. The bombers were killed. Hamas must be pretty heady to attempt such a stunt, they obviously have rearmed enough to feel brave again.
I am a forensic Scientsit for 30 years. My opinion, unfired .30 cal bullet held in close proximty to skull during “rough” test exposure prior to CAT scan.
I’m a South African military paramedic, and over the years I’ve seen a fair number of gunshot wounds to the head, attributed to both the 5.56mm NATO rounds we use, and the 7.72 Warsaw Pact ammunition fired by the AK-47 so often used by by criminals and the like in this country.
I have in my 18 year career yet to see a high powered military round in either calibre fail to do a through and through with *massive* associated trauma at the 70m range claimed, spectacularly so in headwounds. I have yet to see a projectile in any calibre in such pristine condition after hitting a body from any range, and especially not in the case of a head wound.
This really does look to be a faked up image.