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		<title>By: narciso</title>
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		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you trolls ever tire of getting things wrong&quot;

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/killing_granny_1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you trolls ever tire of getting things wrong&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/killing_granny_1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/killing_granny_1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: bobbybb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbybb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will give it to Palin on this one. She has the ability to blatantly lie again and again and again...and the right, including the religious right fall all over themselves cheering for her. She does have an enthusiastic following who swallow up her lies with fervor. I don&#039;t think she is very articulate at times, but stupid...hell no. She is a brilliant politician. Most of her flops have been in areas that she hasn&#039;t had much knowledge in, but should she want to study up, the sky is the limit. She is a very formidable opponent, but I have a problem with her constant lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will give it to Palin on this one. She has the ability to blatantly lie again and again and again&#8230;and the right, including the religious right fall all over themselves cheering for her. She does have an enthusiastic following who swallow up her lies with fervor. I don&#8217;t think she is very articulate at times, but stupid&#8230;hell no. She is a brilliant politician. Most of her flops have been in areas that she hasn&#8217;t had much knowledge in, but should she want to study up, the sky is the limit. She is a very formidable opponent, but I have a problem with her constant lies.</p>
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		<title>By: McBride</title>
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		<dc:creator>McBride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the matter N&amp;T couldn&#039;t find your dictionary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the matter N&amp;T couldn&#8217;t find your dictionary?</p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>107. Jamie W.:

“So many nuts so little time.&quot;

What did I tell you?

U made my point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>107. Jamie W.:</p>
<p>“So many nuts so little time.&#8221;</p>
<p>What did I tell you?</p>
<p>U made my point!</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A mulatto baby?  Where did THAT come from?  She may be even more interesting than I had thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A mulatto baby?  Where did THAT come from?  She may be even more interesting than I had thought.</p>
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		<title>By: narciso</title>
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		<dc:creator>narciso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One notices there is no substantial critique of the policy positions that she puts forward, with
footnotes, that&#039;s about what I&#039;ve come to expect. Then again, people who have no quarrel with Fidel or Guevara or wannabe imitators like
patrician terrorist William Ayers, one wouldn&#039;t see any issue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One notices there is no substantial critique of the policy positions that she puts forward, with<br />
footnotes, that&#8217;s about what I&#8217;ve come to expect. Then again, people who have no quarrel with Fidel or Guevara or wannabe imitators like<br />
patrician terrorist William Ayers, one wouldn&#8217;t see any issue</p>
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		<title>By: mik</title>
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		<dc:creator>mik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you give palin too much credit. 

she&#039;s a star. but prez in 2012? I don&#039;t think so. she&#039;s a bit too petty and and whines a bit too much. 

she&#039;ll throw a line or two on facebook. does that make her a leader? the only thing she has that other facebook users don&#039;t have is an audience. that&#039;s it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you give palin too much credit. </p>
<p>she&#8217;s a star. but prez in 2012? I don&#8217;t think so. she&#8217;s a bit too petty and and whines a bit too much. </p>
<p>she&#8217;ll throw a line or two on facebook. does that make her a leader? the only thing she has that other facebook users don&#8217;t have is an audience. that&#8217;s it</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vivo:

&quot;So many nuts so little time. I wish I’d get paid. It’s all freelance and independent. After Leno, Letterman, Conan, Ferguson, Stewart and Colbert I (sometimes) get my kicks from Pajamas, O’Reilly, Hannity and Fox.&quot; 

No job and/or life, huh? That explains a lot. . . 

(sorry for feeding troll - could not resist this one)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vivo:</p>
<p>&#8220;So many nuts so little time. I wish I’d get paid. It’s all freelance and independent. After Leno, Letterman, Conan, Ferguson, Stewart and Colbert I (sometimes) get my kicks from Pajamas, O’Reilly, Hannity and Fox.&#8221; </p>
<p>No job and/or life, huh? That explains a lot. . . </p>
<p>(sorry for feeding troll &#8211; could not resist this one)</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Kirtley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Kirtley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Republican Party is in  deep trouble. At a time when their star should be rising the &quot;leaders&quot; include a not-so-bright quitter, a religious nut job, and a socialist who gave his state Obamacare before anyone heard of Obama. 

Of course it&#039;s a long way to 2012. Hopefully a true conservative will emerge to lead the party between now and then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republican Party is in  deep trouble. At a time when their star should be rising the &#8220;leaders&#8221; include a not-so-bright quitter, a religious nut job, and a socialist who gave his state Obamacare before anyone heard of Obama. </p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s a long way to 2012. Hopefully a true conservative will emerge to lead the party between now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: Robohobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robohobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie - I hate to tell you but the moderators do not. They will probably leave this post in moderation because I say something about them.

For those who are not tracking the Health care bill, HR 3200, properly, here is the post of one who is from American Thinker&#039;s post, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/the_obama_jingle_i_do_it_all_f.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Obama Jingle: I Do It All for You&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

Michael Connelly, a retired attorney and teacher of law says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;BETTER READ THIS, EVERYBODY. From Michael Connelly - Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor, Carrollton , Texas Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected. To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession. The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled. However, as scary as all of that it, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed. The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn&#039;t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care. This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide. If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed &quot;acceptable&quot; to the &quot;Health Choices Administrator&quot; appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a &quot;tax&quot; instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn&#039;t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the &quot;due process of law. So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn&#039;t stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: &quot;The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;&quot; The 10th Amendment states: &quot;The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.&quot; Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control. I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to &quot;be bound by oath or affirmation&quot; to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable. For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution: [www.archives.gov] And another to the Bill of Rights: [www.archives.gov] There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us. Michael Connelly Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor Carrollton , Texas &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Money quote, again:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is about power and control, not health care. The Statists want to control all aspects of our civic life and that is their end goal. If they can do that, then they also control the fruits of that life = the money.

Do not worry about vivo, moho, Now and Then and the other trolls, they are just the gadfly distraction. They are here to distract and nothing else.

Best thing I have heard is Subotai Bahadur at the Belmont Club. He said that we heard Obama wrong, he did not say &#039;Hope and Change&#039;, he said &quot;Rope and Chains&#039;. Pretty astute that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie &#8211; I hate to tell you but the moderators do not. They will probably leave this post in moderation because I say something about them.</p>
<p>For those who are not tracking the Health care bill, HR 3200, properly, here is the post of one who is from American Thinker&#8217;s post, <a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/the_obama_jingle_i_do_it_all_f.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Obama Jingle: I Do It All for You&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Michael Connelly, a retired attorney and teacher of law says:</p>
<blockquote><p>BETTER READ THIS, EVERYBODY. From Michael Connelly &#8211; Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor, Carrollton , Texas Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected. To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession. The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled. However, as scary as all of that it, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed. The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn&#8217;t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care. This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide. If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed &#8220;acceptable&#8221; to the &#8220;Health Choices Administrator&#8221; appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a &#8220;tax&#8221; instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn&#8217;t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the &#8220;due process of law. So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn&#8217;t stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: &#8220;The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;&#8221; The 10th Amendment states: &#8220;The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.&#8221; Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control. I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to &#8220;be bound by oath or affirmation&#8221; to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable. For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution: [www.archives.gov] And another to the Bill of Rights: [www.archives.gov] There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us. Michael Connelly Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor Carrollton , Texas </p></blockquote>
<p>Money quote, again:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is about power and control, not health care. The Statists want to control all aspects of our civic life and that is their end goal. If they can do that, then they also control the fruits of that life = the money.</p>
<p>Do not worry about vivo, moho, Now and Then and the other trolls, they are just the gadfly distraction. They are here to distract and nothing else.</p>
<p>Best thing I have heard is Subotai Bahadur at the Belmont Club. He said that we heard Obama wrong, he did not say &#8216;Hope and Change&#8217;, he said &#8220;Rope and Chains&#8217;. Pretty astute that.</p>
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