Palin Flummoxes the Elites with Common Sense
Sarah Palin — invariably portrayed by reporters and politicians as a either a vacuous celebrity or an ill-informed hooftie — has apparently thought through the issues more than most of them. She makes plain sense, while her opponents push an agenda of greater centralized government control. The world has seen the results of such experiments within the past century. They lead inevitably to dependence, despair, despotism, and disaster.
Howard Kurtz and his colleagues should spend less time musing about why the traditional media have failed to persuade Americans that they should surrender their bodies to the government, and more time getting to know some real people.
Somewhere between L.A. and D.C., they’ll find folks whose life experience, grasp of history, common sense understanding of economics, clear-headed rational thought, and healthy distrust of politicians lead them to accept the logical conclusion that government-run health care will strip individual autonomy and place our most intimate, important decisions into the clutches of a bureaucracy that doesn’t share our values and from which we cannot opt out.
Sarah Palin’s brilliant, succinct term “death panels” hits home because it neatly summarizes all that’s wrong with government-run health care. Superficial efforts by reporters to “debunk the death panel myth” will continue to fail, because Americans are smarter than most journalists when it comes to practical matters of life.
Journalism professionals would also benefit from reading some American history, including our founding documents. Our founders had a deep understanding of human nature, shaped by their lifelong, exhaustive study of history and philosophy and of the book that best encapsulates both — the Bible.
Too often journalists and politicians attribute imperfections in American society to a failure of our founding principles, rather than recognizing problems as simply a natural byproduct of finite, flawed humanity that would crop up under any system. So we hear the cry that our health care system is “broken” and the conclusion that government must fix it immediately. It’s a naive notion promulgated by people who think history commenced with their own appearance on the planet.
Because humans fail the omniscience test and have a proclivity to misbehavior, we function best in a free market system where liberty permits escape from the inevitable outbreaks of ignorance and of the dark side of human nature.
Liberty is our natural state. Anything that encroaches on liberty, no matter how benevolent its proponents, must be resisted.
These are “the facts,” Mr. Kurtz. As you marvel at the mystery of how Sarah Palin has hoodwinked America, defeating politicians and pundits alike, consider the possibility that she persuades because she’s smarter than you in ways that matter most.
Palin pulverizes pea-brain pontificators.
Pow!!! Luvin’ it, doncha’ know. You betcha!
What’s needed most — more than transformation of health care or banking or any other radical liberal-defined “remedy for societal ills” is a corruption-busting, small-town, common sense, moose-hunting lady with the guts to take on and take down the corrupt politician-MSM mob.
Jiminy Cricket’s whisperin’ truth into their ears, and they sure don’t like it one bit.
In fact, they are scared witless. That’s good.
As interesting and impassioned most of the comments, it strikes me they
are beating a dead horse. Observe Sarah Palin’s treatment of her adversaries and see that she is really Leading. Not following the trail laid down by others: those in the MSM … using any vile attack, without compunction to further their wishes for her failure. Yet consider themselves “liberals”. You could not make up this farce.
But She has taken their measure and knows, evidenced in her treatment of them,they are not worth any attention at all unless actually dangerous to her. Their bleating their rage and helplessness at her ignoring their attacks is not dangerous. Unless she and her fans allow it to be.
In constantly rising to their bait, the fans of Sarah Palin are giving to the
adversaries exactly the weapons they can use to continue this valueless conflict. The time spent in such attention to their generally baseless if not lying comments could better be spent in planning strategies and tactics to DO what is clearly necessary. To recognise that while we, Sarah Palin’s and her ilk fans Talk, berate MSM commentators, THEY are actually Doing what they have intended to do before Sarah Palin threw down the gauntlet. Bringing them out into the open as the destroyers, totalitarians, and subversives they are. To keep rising to their bait is playing into their game of “gotcha”.
There’s not a lot of time to turn the ship of state around to the direction set by the Founders with their weapons for the “common” people : the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the USA with the BILL OF RIGHTS. Sarah known to battle on home territory, use those weapons. Don’t battle on territory decided by the enemy.
This is a really knotty problem, and in the long run I think Palin’s going to have to find somewhere else to go while the country figures out what the news media’s been doing the last few years. After all, her principle disqualifications for running for office are that she isn’t a member of the ruling class (Ivy league education, massive inherited trust fund, correct friends on the East Coast), and she doesn’t say the “right” things about government. The woman goes to church on Sunday and apparently believes what she hears from the pulpit. No intelligent person would take someone like that seriously.
The interesting thing is going to be in the next presidential election. I expect we’ll have Romney take a shot again, and I sincerely hope he fails. In my estimation he’s a haircut and a focus group issue sheet, not much else. Huckabee will probably try too–better candidate, but too religious to get elected outside of the midwest. The interesting candidate would be Jindal. If he runs, and is ridiculed for his racial background the way Palin was for her gender, the result could be interesting. At some point, people have to begin to realize that the media has just melted down and become part of the PR machine of the Democratic party.
Maybe she’ll be able to retrieve her career, maybe not. Interesting to see what this health care thing is going to do to her standing in the country, though. She’s gotten back into the public eye over this, and of course the media treats her like the rube they think she is, but that’s the point. Eventually their disdain may come back to haunt them.
Thanks for this column.
You’re right in that Sarah Palin has made an end run around the pro bono wing of the White House communications office–the MSM. How has she done that? She’s accomplished that by first producing a well-referenced, concise and a don’t-take-my-word-for-it column through an emerging media source–facebook. She openly references the opinions of sources more favorable to the president as evidence that “death panels” are a valid argument, hence strengthening her own hand, since those sources would be very difficult to refute. Moreover, Sarah Palin has launched direct attack munitions right into Obama’s energy plans simply by illuminating the sheer idiocy they encapsulate. Where the current MSM appeals merely to emotion and superficial magazine-cover un-thinkers in America, Sarah Palin speaks directly to the issues using facts, verve and spunk that makes us feel like we’re hearing from a friend who has our best interests in mind. Won’t find that from the MSM or the White House, you can betcher bottom dollar on that one.
nice work.
Sarah Palin has more than common sense, she the words that make common sense inspiring. The Democrats have spent millions on consultants to change the words used to describe who they are. Republicans in particular and conservatives in general have confronted the Democrats crafted message, with bland truth. It is the Regans and Palins that express naturally the nobility and immediacy of “plan truth”. Stirring words like, “we hold these truths to be self evident…” vs. “we believe”; “Evil Empire” and “the presidency is not a journey of self discovery..”; “death panels”.
There was a lot of squealing over Palin’s resignation as the death of her political career. But that is only true if one narrowly defines a political career as the mindless pursuit of the presidency. As she said clearly, there are other ways of being effective. If all she does is continue to give us those salient words which cut through Washington doublespeak she has added more to the nation than all but a few in our history.
Imbecile trolls in 3…2…1….
“And finally New Rule: Just because a country elects a smart president doesn’t make it a smart country. Now, a couple of weeks ago I was asked on CNN if I thought Sarah Palin could get elected president, and I said I hope not, but I wouldn’t put anything past this stupid country. Well, the station was flooded with emails and the twits hit the fan. And you could tell that these people were really mad because they wrote entirely in CAPITAL LETTERS!!! Worst of all, Bill O’Reilly refuted my contention that this is a stupid country by calling me a pinhead, which A) proves my point, and B) is really funny coming from a doody-face like him.
- Bill Maher in his “New Rules” segment”
The Reps have picked Palin to lead the charge to demolish any kind of health plan and let the people continue to suffer bound and chained. McCain looks like a decent guy now compared to her.
Oh those poor elites, they have such trouble with Palin. She talks directly to people and does not feel the need to have the MSM’s blessing or approval. She does not need them to get her message out. She does not worship at the “altar of nuance” and there should be more like her.
And this summer recess, the pro-bono-Obama-PR-machine has used the same words to describe ordinary Americans objecting to the government’s takeover of health care as they have used for Sarah. Dumb. Evil. Gun-toting-nutjobs. Astroturfers. Way to recruit more people to the Republican party!
One thing that you didn’t mention: The MSM has lost the trust of the people.
It doesn’t take too many examples of news coverage, such as Dan Rather’s memo gate or MSNBC’s cropping the picture of a black man with rifle and pistol to hide his race, then blaming white racism, etc.
for people to know they are being lied to.
No company could survive using the sales tactics of the MSM and the Obama administration, such as blaming the consumer, insulting the consumer, calling the consumers Nazis, hiding from consumers, not addressing the issues of the product, misusing the consumer’s email address, etc.
The US public, mostly, is smart enough to know when they are being sold a bill of goods. Most of us would run from any store that tried these tactics. Lets hope the MSM keeps this up until November 2010.
There are a couple sayings that I am reminded of:
‘You need have an advanced degree to become that stupid’
‘An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less’
Bravo to Sarah Palin for flushing out these people that take themselves far too seriously. I, like so many others, appreciate her common sense approach to the issues. I love the way she drives the Left insane, but I especially like the way she drive the pretentious elitist snobs (like Peggy Noonan) and wannabee elitists (like Kathleen Parker) around the bend. She’s quite non-partisan when she so easily makes these people look like the buffoons they are.
Sarah Palin’s brilliant, succinct term “death panels” hits home because it neatly summarizes all that’s wrong with government-run health care…Liberty is our natural state. Anything that encroaches on liberty, no matter how benevolent its proponents, must be resisted.
What makes Americans and Sarah Palin “smarter” than the mainstream media and everyone in the Obama administration is this: The “death panels” moniker Sarah used merely identifies the implied task of the health care overhaul bill. Had a few members of this administration’s domestic team spent a few days in the military, they would know that specified tasks are delineated, but implied tasks are not. However, implied tasks are to be carried out with the same fervor as one that is specified. The lowest enlisted person understands this concept, but the Commander-in-Chief and his leftist friends do not. And they wonder why Sarah connects with the people? Frankly, the left’s arrogance is astounding considering Team Obama’s level of abject stupidity.
We live in a society that has believed in throw away babies and old people for many decades.
Times are more dangerous than ever now because these are the kind of people that hold the reins of power in our country.
They would never seek counsel from something that they don’t believe exists; God, nor consider His Word a creditable source of learning.
All of this ads up to persons that are greed driven, lust motivated, phony, shallow and transparent.
Sara Palin, like many women that seem able to read minds, simply looks at them for who and what they are; then calls it like it is.
Last, but not least is that if there is anything liberal males cannot stand it is an independent woman that isn’t afraid to slap back on occasion.
I’m waiting for Palin to present here alternative health care reform plan.
But I’m not holding my breath.
She’s got nothing to offer here. I don’t see anyone flummoxed, just a big chunk of the GOP that is brain-dead and/or brain-washed into buying whatever this woman has for sale.
“Death panels” are not part of this legislation, and are nothing but an inflammatory rhetorical device without basis in fact – a definition that fits Palin herself as well.
Peace.
DS
I’m waiting for Palin to present here alternative health care reform plan.
But I’m not holding my breath.
She’s got nothing to offer here. I don’t see anyone flummoxed, just a big chunk of the GOP that is brain-dead and/or brain-washed into buying whatever this woman has for sale.
“Death panels” are not part of this legislation, and are nothing but an inflammatory rhetorical device without basis in fact – a definition that fits Palin herself as well.
Peace.
DS
“While there is legitimate debate about the legislation’s funding for voluntary end-of-life counseling sessions, the former Alaska governor’s claim that government panels would make euthanasia decisions was clearly debunked.”–Kurtz
“PORTLAND, Ore. — Some terminally ill patients in Oregon who turned to their state for health care were denied treatment and offered doctor-assisted suicide instead, a proposal some experts have called a “chilling” corruption of medical ethics.”
“Since the spread of his prostate cancer, 53-year-old Randy Stroup of Dexter, Ore., has been in a fight for his life. Uninsured and unable to pay for expensive chemotherapy, he applied to Oregon’s state-run health plan for help.”
“Lane Individual Practice Association (LIPA), which administers the Oregon Health Plan in Lane County, responded to Stroup’s request with a letter saying the state would not cover Stroup’s pricey treatment, but would pay for the cost of physician-assisted suicide.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,392962,00.html
Once the liberals have their government controlled “health” plan in place, “end of life counselling” and all, there will be “death panels” and the government will make “euthanasia decisions” and all that other groovy stuff.
How do we know that will happen? Because, it already is happening.
That’s the bottom line.
And, Kurtz is a total nitwit.
I love hearing their theories as to why Palin is popular. Usually, they sound like, “You’re even dumber than her.” They can’t see that she represents basic American values and common sense.
For example, I love to listen to Charles Krauthammer. He’s brilliant, but he’s not always right. He has real blind spots. Palin is one of them. He suffers from some of the elitist mentality, as well. His distaste for her is obvious, but he is forced to admit she is a remarkably talented politician.
He thought the rowdy town halls would alienate most Independents. He now freely admits he was wrong. He still doesn’t understand it. He just can’t contemplate that people would find it liberating, that they would take great comfort in others expressing just how they feel or were beginning to feel. Suddenly, they realized they were not alone. It galvanized their distaste for our royal government.
Palin thinks like us. She totally gets the town hall mood. Her “Death Panels” comment was death to the health takeover, because she gets the mood and thinking of the people. She’s one of them. Deride her all you want. She has her finger on the pulse of the people. Such things cannot be taught.
Would I prefer she were more informed about national and international issues? You betcha, but I’ll take that American common sense and integrity any day, if I have to choose between them, which, sadly, it seems I must.
How could I Forget?
Liberal women. If she; another female isn’t so ugly that she has to sneak up on a glass of water to get a drink, there will forever be war amongst the campers.
One look at Sara Palin and she literally drives them insane.
What Sarah could do to really carpetbomb the obamacare debate is have a revisitation of Obama’s BAIPA voting record in the Ill. senate. It would bring a whole new meaning to the term “death panel”. However, the topic of dead babies has seemed too goulish for political debate. Check out jillstanek.com.
Editorial note — Trig Palin was born with Down Syndrome.
Trisomy-21 (what Al Gore was referring to when he made his disparaging “extra chromosome” remark) is often incorrectly referred to as “Down’s Syndrome.”
Almost as notable as Sarah Palin’s ability to crystallize crowds and issues is the spectacle of her detractors responding with third-grade name-calling and ad hominems attacks, openly displaying the abysmal stupidity of which they (inaccurately) accuse her.
Palin is a brilliant and talented politician. She primaried a sitting governor and beat him, then beat a former governor in the general election. With one thoughtful facebook post she completely altered the health care debate (kind of how Luke Skywalker altered the Death Star with one thoughtful laser torpepdo). Obama is not a reformer, he just plays one on TV. Palin is the real deal.
Wisdom of the ages is not achieved by receiving a Harvard degree or by watching Bill Maher TV.
I’m not surprised. The State Run Media isn’t even ashamed to show its bias now days. They are the ones dealing in misinformation. Well, this time it’s not working. Has anyone read her Facebook comment? It doesn’t even come close to what the State Run Media charges her with.
the media thought they would have a fun time ridiculing Sarah Palin.
They didn’t count on people underststanding that she was right. The MARXIST/LEFT lost control of the language they were manipulating and it may be the best hope to kill the bill.
THANK YOU SARAH PALIN
michael jacksons bubbles would make a better president then obama
#5 Conservative1
That post was priceless! You must be working in cahoots to have vivo as the next post.
Short and Sweet – She PWNED them. I also hear that she is not considered viable in the 2012. My recollection is that in 1977 Ronald Reagan was considered a joke and reviled for taking on President Ford at the 1976 GOP Convention.
History may not repeat, though it sure seems to rhyme. -S-
America loves a quitter.
Is it just me or does it seem that the bulk of the liberal base continuously quotes comedians (Maher, Colbert, Stewart) as there news and opinion sources? Doesn’t anyone find that ironic?
In Thomas Sowell’s recent book, “A Conflict of Visions” he discusses the differences between the constrained and unconstrained view of the world. To understand the leftist media and politicians you need to understand their view of the world. The constrained view recognizes that man is an imperfect being and is driven by their own self interest. Efforts to contain that interest to some defined “public good” are doomed to failure. Instead if we should allow that self interest to be realized and in doing so more “public good” will result than anything that can be planned by government for after all that self interest can only be realized by providing benefits that others value.
In the unconstrained vision the belief is that man can achieve a higher state but must be lead there by great and gifted elites who understand that higher purpose. In this view they are more concerned with equality of outcomes than with equality of opportunity. In this vision the discussion of what is fair is focused on how goods or services are distributed. This view was best expressed by candidate Obama when it was pointed out that lower capital gains tax rates produced more revenue for the government. While he acknowledged that fact, he still held to his position of a higher tax rate because it would be more fair.
The leftist media understands that the governmentalization of health care won’t provide better care for all. There will be winners and losers in this effort. However the government option does address their vision of fairness – all people will have coverage even if few will have access. That is why they are so flummoxend with rational arguments in opposition to their view. These leftist cannot get beyond the idea that we can create a perfect world only if all outcomes are equal no matter what equal turns out to be. That is the only fair thing to do.
“5.) Other governments which run health care operations have a track record of delaying and denying coverage based on the limited supply of medical professionals and equipment, as well as cost-containment considerations.”
Good point. Healthcare delayed is healthcare denied.
Vivo, for once, read your own words. It’s the arrogance that you and your fellows display that will be you undoing. You obviously identify with those who have decided they are so much smarter than “the people” or “the masses” or “those who vote against their class interests”. Common sense will defeat you every time. EVERYONE else and all who disagree with you are NOT stupid nor are they suffering “bound and chained”. Give your head a shake.
Palin can get more coverage out of one quote than any politician in the public arena today. She will be a factor for a least a decade, maybe longer.
The tired old men mentioned, Huck, Romney, Giuliani, McCain, Gingrich) inspire today, at best, maybe 2%. Suppose all of them announce a “tour”. How many of you would attend. Even considering they’d already tried it. If Palin announced a speaking tour of 30 cities she’d fill the venue of each plus raise millions of dollars. Restart her career? You’re not serious or you’re a troll.
“”"Because humans fail the omniscience test and have a proclivity to misbehavior, we function best in a free market system where liberty permits escape from the inevitable outbreaks of ignorance and of the dark side of human nature.”"”
This is uncommon wisdom.
There are no “death panels” mentioned outright but you can bet the government will “guide” treatments, options and decisions in order to save money and make sure the lower income are given fair medical treatment.
You can bet you will have to have certain circumstances to get certain tests and treatments, hence you will not get the same medical care if you can choose for yourself.
There will be a backlog of bureaucracy, payments and paperwork, creating a larger log jam than there is now.
The White House is after a power grab and controlling our health care is another one. The Democrats get votes by giving handouts to the lower income people and this is just another way of getting votes in return for some form of health care for everyone.
Sarah Palin has a good message deep down; her delivery is just a little awkward.
When she says “death panels,” she’s gettting the basics of what can be because legislation usually gets misdirected, misinterpeted and misused … the detriment of those who live responsibly.
Brilliant article!!!!!!!
Freedom from government tyranny will win out.
Common sense will rule the day!
26. Optimus Primed:
“Is it just me or does it seem that the bulk of the liberal base continuously quotes comedians (Maher, Colbert, Stewart) as there news and opinion sources? Doesn’t anyone find that ironic?”
No more ironic than people believing O’Reilly or Hannity or Beck.
Palin’s career will last only until she gets interviewed by someone other than Greta van Sistern. Palin’s a coward.
26. Optimus Primed wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem that the bulk of the liberal base continuously quotes comedians (Maher, Colbert, Stewart) as there news and opinion sources? Doesn’t anyone find that ironic?
Peter writes: What do you expect from the same people who rigged an election to get a clown into the Senate?
“Sarah Palin has a good message deep down; her delivery is just a little awkward.”
You think ? ‘A little awkward’ ?
The problem with ‘group-think’ is that certain ideas get entrenched and never properly vetted. Palin does come across as not at all ready for prime time. I gave up on her during her stint as vice-presidential candidate. That was pretty damn embarrassing. And as anyone who has seen my comments previously knows — I HATED the MSM before it became ‘the norm’, so you can’t say that I have just bought into its propaganda. I just watched her.
Palin is NOT EVER going to be a candidate for President. NOT EVER.
Obama is at this point a dead man walking in the political sense, but someone has to be the ‘other candidate’. Sarah Palin is not that person.
I’m a big fan of ‘common sense’. A BIG FAN. But if what Palin represents is the general idea of ‘common sense’, perhaps I will need to do a rethink on the subject. She and Barry are BOTH demagogues of the worst sort. He’s just a lot more polished.
And the ‘death panels’ line was and IS pure demagoguery. It might have had some effect on the margins, but it’s simplistic and ultimately harmful demagoguery nonetheless. You should be very careful about going down the same road as the Obamabots have trod. The final destination is not what you think it is.
Sarah Palin has a way of getting to the point in clear, precise English. Unlike Barack Obama who looks upward and talks above the American people as if we are too stupid to comprehend his Ivy League nuances, Sarah Palin looks people straight in the eyes, and talks directly to them. When Sarah Palin spoke about “death panels” she gave Americans a wake-up call. As a state senator in Illinois, Barack Obama voted on more than one occasion to deny medical treatment to babies who survivied a failed abortion attempt – he voted to deny medical treatment to living human beings no longer in he womb. In plain English, Obama voted for infanticide. The man has already participated in a death panel.
“It’s the arrogance that you and your fellows display that will be you undoing.”
If one is propped up by Kingdom Hollywood’s paper-mached Greek-columns then it is difficult to survive the superior fire-power of one whose solid foundation is built upon principles advocated by those wise Americans such as Dr Thomas Sowell.
Note to Katie Couric: If you want to know what Sarah Palin reads, begin with the brilliant Dr. Sowell and you will understand why Palin is a superior force against paper-mached fakes.
Kathy:
“There are no “death panels” mentioned”
Correct. And the counseling session is VOLUNTARY.
Plain is a liar of the worst kind. Lying to scare the daylights out of the elderly.
And Palin, the fraud, claims to be a Christian. Let’s hear it Christians, is this Christian behaviour?
Did anyone else notice that Kurtz or WaPo disingenuously changed the title of his screed from “Death Panels Smite Journalism” to “Journalists, Left Out of The Debate“?
Guess he realized that first title described exactly what happened, i.e., Reality has revealed the hypocrisy of the media. And he doesn’t realize the narcissistic tone of either title.
Poor, poor journalists – dey destwoyed dey own cwedibiwity and now dey cwy dat no one WISTENS to dem! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!
All Howie had to write was “Perhaps journalists are no more trusted than politicians these days…“. But of course he’s saying that sarcastically or ironically, not honestly.
WHEN is the GOP going to organize a nationwide boycott of the Fifth Column media’s major advertisers? After the economy starts to recover?
“…humans fail the omnicience test…” – except for Conservative1, who nailed it!
I don’t know how you did it; but I congretulate you on your prescience!
with the health bill that has been presented there will be death panels.
OF COURSE they will not be called that but they will be DEATH PANELS.
a beaurocrat(s) will decide whether you will get a proceedure or medicine or treatment. and this maybe in a life or death situation. so if you want to call it saving money instead of a death panel go ahead.
I love how liberals get all nasty when they’re flummoxed. Last night one of my liberal friends who doesn’t know my politics very well and has been living in another part of the country for three years, having just returned, was lamenting how “we’ve lost a big chance to just shove it down the conservative’s throats”. Next sentence, “I was just thinking how angry Americans have become, thanks to those conservatives.”
It does my heart good to see the “intellectually superior”, “socially elitist” snobs get absolutely flummoxed by a talking-from-the-heart, common sense woman like Sarah Palin, who has the ability to run circles around these clowns with her eyes closed!
…and Howard Kirtz IS a clown!!!
For end of life counseling from a government paid doctor with an agenda to have you accept reduced/alternate treatment and, possibly, sign up for gov’t provided “hospice” or something…the phrase death panel works for me.
Barack Obama himself foolishly tried to knock down that silly “death panel” take by trying to assure you, last week, that he, too, had a grandma and he didn’t want to pull the plug on her, so there !
Hey Barack, have you heard some of the statements from your science advisor, John Holdren ? Or some of the “analysis” from your healthcare advisor, Ezekiel Emanuel ?
Some of their recommendations on dispensing with the old and the sick would make Dr. Mengele blush.
@38. dougf: – …the ‘death panels’ line was and IS pure demagoguery. It might have had some effect on the margins, but it’s simplistic and ultimately harmful…
LOL!!! IN THE MARGINS????!!! They REMOVED the nonsense from the bill! This “demagoguery”, as you misunderstand it contributed to the so-called “public option” being essentially struck as well. And ultimately, it will have contributed to yet another failure of the socialists to seize control of health care.
That’s what you call “in the margins”?
Remember the call last year to Free Sarah Palin! ? Well, she’s free now.
I must reiterate: if Saracuda can be this insightful and effective with only ten free minutes and a posting on a Facebook page, the left had better pray to whatever mechanical god they pray to that she NEVER gets it in her head to run for office.
“America loves a quitter.” says Now and Then.
Is that why you love Obama so much Now and Then?
Let’s see, Obama has quit:
- Rev. Wright’s church (after 20 years and only when Wrights anti-American rants went public)
- being a member of the “New Party” http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=78945
- his campaign promise to post all legislation for public viewing before signing http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jan/29/obama-first-broken-promise/
- SEVEN campaign promises broken with just his stimulus signing alone http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-no-more-secrecy-about-bills
- the case against the Black Panthers at the polling place. Funny how that one just “quit” and disappeared isn’t it? http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/31/panther-politicization-at-obama-doj/
Yep, Now and Then, you’re right American sure loves a quitter. Are these the same reasons you love Obama or are there more?
The problem with most people like Kurtz, is that they probably didn’t bother to actually read Palin’s piece on 0bamacare. It’s just like when she announced that she was stepping down as governor, the MSM couldn’t figure out why, because they didn’t listen to what she said. They were too busy thinking up snarky comments to make to ever actually listen to what she says or read what she writes.
BTW, since Palin announced she was resigning, her Facebook has been gaining an average of 5,000 per day, and is now up to 826,193. If that rate holds, she’ll hit 1 million by the end of September. If she speaks at the 9-12 event, her numbers would skyrocket.
Palin has presented an alternative to ObamaDisaster. Tort reform is an essential part of her plan, and she’s done the research that shows that with tort reform medical costs drop considerably and the number of medical personnel increases dramatically. Anybody who has taken the time to read the notes on Palin’s Facebook page knows that. David S. and Anonymous at 4:22 AM hasn’t read anything written by Palin (a few other posters are in this group), thus they make themselves look silly by claiming Palin has nothing to offer. That’s the thing about liberals, facts don’t matter. Emotion does. Hatred of Palin is more important than an objective assessment of what she has to offer.
The bottom line is that Congress and Obama cannot be trusted in anything they say. I want my individual freedom back and I want less government not more. As Congress is exempting themselves from the plan how can anyone dare support this position of not Congress but good for the nation. Get real people!
Sarah Palin is a burr under the liberal saddle for the simple reason that she refuses to be scared into submission. She refuses to bend knee at the Obama altar. In fact, refreshingly, she does quite the opposite. If she never runs for office again, she has earned my undying admiration and respect. She looked the liberal anti-American machine in the eye and refused to flinch.
The most interesting part about Sarah’s step out of political office is that now she actually wields MORE power. She can tell it like it is. That explains why the liberals continue to foam at the mouth at the mention of her name.
The more the liberals froth, the more I love Sarah Palin. Funny how that works isn’t it?
Sarah Palin tosses one little pebble and all these dogs start howling. It probably sounds like a good dog-sled run through the tundra to her. Keep yapping, hell-hounds. Sarah owns you everytime you erupt in hate.
to the trolls:
Palin knew exactly what she was doing when raised the death panel argument. She gave liberals with a conscience and some conservatives a target to shoot at so the can voice their objections to the Democrats’ medical schemes. Whether it was Eugene Robinson raising objections or [Dr.] Charles Krauthammer explaining the way “end-of-live” counseling really works, their cheap shots at Palin gave them cover.
We are fortunate that President Obama lacks Palin’s experience and real political skills because his lack of those characteristics has caused his plans to crash and burn.
By the way there won’t be any death panels because our very own National Institute for Comparative Effeteness will set up automatic rules for who gets what medical care. No panel needed. NICE has already been funded in the stimulus bill.
Charming fellow, this John Holdren guy…
John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet
The trolls sound kind of desperate these days.
The alternative is – freedom. Let me keep my money and pay for my own healthcare and/or insurance. I’m an adult and would like to be treated as such.
48. goy
think again. I agree with your sentiements but I don’t think that removing the end-of-life wording has changed what will happen. THE DEATH PANEL is still in the whole bill. IT CANNOT BE REMOVED.
some beaurocrat or group of them will make decisions on what proceedure/medicine/care will be provided. again that means DEATH PANEL
THE MARXISTS ARE LAUGHING HOW EASILY THE PUBLIC IS FOOLED.
this bill will errod what precious little is left of the individual rights that made the USA. incrimentally the left has destroyed and continues to do harm to the institutions that produced the wealth of the world (not just the wealth of america …the whole world had piggyback on this).
Shorter Sarah Palin: Leave my family alone. Except when I use them for political gain.
Also, whenever someone has to explain what a politician said–as in this case, where apparently Sarah Palin is so rapier smart that most people can’t understand her rapier observations–that’s a politician not doing their job. And when a journalist is explaining what the words of a politician meant, without ever examining the actual words, that’s a journalist who has no idea how to do their job.
Although I haven’t followed it in too much specificity…
Sarah Palin’s August 12 posting on facebook was very informative
Palin is right. Obama-care = Rationed care. One only has to look at health care systems in Canada, and Great Britain to know that this a the truth. Being placed on a waiting list for diagnostic procedures and definitive treatment is not equivalent to undergoing those tests or therapies. Waiting your turn for cardiac surgery in England results in a predictable attrition rate, ie. an expected number of deaths d;uring the waiting period. That is how it is. If that is not the result of a death panel, what is? That is what our future has in store. Whatever changes in US health care are foisted upon us, we should demand that Congress MUST accept that care for themselves.
Thank you Scott, an excellent article, and some fine words and wisdom.
It really isn’t baffling that the media cannot refute Palin’s death panel remarks. As you state, anybody that actually reads her articles understands that they are “just making things up” themselves, not Gov. Palin. I guess it adds to the growing view that journalists can’t be trusted.
I have seen younger members of my family, all republicans at heart, interested and excited about politics more then ever, and I credit Gov. Palin with generating that excitement. I have my reservations, but they are diminishing, she certainly fights and enthuses people.
Sarah Palin, because of her outsider status amongst
the powerful in Washington, doesn’t have to bow and scrape to attain and retain “membership in good
standing”. Therefore, she takes full advantage of the liberty of holding government accountable to a standard evocative of what C.S. Lewis and Mortimer Adler, amongst others, communicated.
Tom Clancy in “Executive Orders” nailed the elites when he wrote about “The Network”.
“And the ‘death panels’ line was and IS pure demagoguery. It might have had some effect on the margins, but it’s simplistic and ultimately harmful demagoguery nonetheless. You should be very careful about going down the same road as the Obamabots have trod.”
Even Ronald Reagan understood something Ron Paul never could, that being, sometimes all it takes is two-well chosen words to confront an “Evil Empire”.
@13. David S: – I’m waiting for Palin to present here alternative health care reform plan.
Oh, DO hold your breath, please.
Health care doesn’t need “reform” – which, in leftspeak invariably means “government intervention”.
The issues facing health care are market problems, not problems of governance.
The only thing the government could possibly do to fix the health care issues that exist is to break up the comprehensive health care insurance monopoly, which determines all prices of, handles virtually all transactions for and controls access to health care.
With that monopoly dissolved, and cost-ratcheting, group comprehensive health care insurance eliminated, the market will happily force the cost of routine care back to an affordable equilibrium by reinstating the direct relationship between the health care provider and consumer – just like all other commodities.
A government-controlled insurance option will only serve to further distort the market, forcing prices higher, until the next phase of government “reform” is implemented: socialist wage and price controls. Thanks, no. If that’s what you want, move to France.
Is it possible to describe something without labeling it. It looks like Agent Zero and his zombies reject that. Well, their loss.
This is how the Sons of Allah operate. Messages can be transmitted implicitly, rather than only transmitting them explicitly.
@58. George S.: – THE MARXISTS ARE LAUGHING HOW EASILY THE PUBLIC IS FOOLED.
Really? Last I checked, the bill had lost any real support it had among the public. And the current trend demonstrates that they’re not being fooled at all.
67. goy
not trying to diss you. just that this isn’t over yet and the conservatives cannot let down their guard.
I know the majority doesn’t want the bill.
Sarah Palin has one big advantage in all of these policy debates. She always gets to argue in support of the correct side of the issue. The basic Conservative argument for using Free Enterprise to allocate capital is rooted in human nature and is true in an innate sense. The only option the Left has to combat her stances is to use personal ridicule.
PALIN ROCKS!!!!
Sarah is her own person, not owned by big media, Soros, Kenya, the middle east and Pelosi type people.
She persevered as governor under a direct attack by all of America’s liberal media, print , tv, radio. No other governors etc have had to suffer the scrutiny and lies that she did…She made the right move.
The media doesn’t know what to do with truth!!
goy
those marxist still have majority in both the senate and the congress …they have proven themselves to not care about who they supposedly represent.
and if the bill isn’t killed there still are “death panels” built into it.
The liberals are now claiming Sarah Palin uses her family for political gain. Then on the other hand they say that her leaving office TO PROTECT HER FAMILY makes her a quitter.
Oh, to be a liberal and think I can talk out of both sides of my mouth and make sense.
Now if we could only convince Obama to quit to save the economy, the Constitution, the elderly and American businesses.
LOL.
There is a line from the review of Holdren’s book (written with Paul Erlich!) that perfectly encapsulates the entire agenda of America’s Left, in light of which all moves and policy proposals of the current crowd in DC can be understood.
“totalitarian micromanaging of people’s daily lives.”
Hooray for Palin! She personifies the Republican Party. And with her on a national ticket, the Dems are guaranteed victory.
# 36 Now and Then said:
Palin’s career will last only until she gets interviewed by someone other than Greta van Sistern. Palin’s a coward.
You do realize that Obama still has not been interviewed by Shawn Hannity and even by BO only one time, when Palin was nominated last fall. Is Obama a coward too?
Yes bringing up the fact that your son has Downe’s Syndrome every five seconds is not using your kid for political gain. I remember when you idiots got weak-kneed because Obama dared to bring his grandmother up after three weeks of being accused of wanting to kill America’s grandmother. Thinkingperson, you only have one side to your mouth. The backside.
There is one key point that seems to be left out in the discussion of the ObamaCare death panels. That is, who will sit on them?
Clearly, Obama owes thousands of otherwise unemployable ACORN thugs good government jobs. Where better to employ them than in the new “health care post office?” They are very poorly educated, have a criminal and anti-white bias, don’t like non-inner city folks, favor abortion but don’t care much for homosexuals.
They’ll need clear charts to run the death panel and make treat/don’t treat decisions but will be eager to accept bribes to “re-balance” the chart conclusions.
But, like the recent FAA revelations, these folks will be eligible for jack pot bonuses if they meet specific job related objectives. Thus, if told not to authorize more than 150 of procedure Xs in a calendar year and you are the 151st needing it this year, you are dead. It is your life, old man, or her bonus!
20. masstexodus:”Palin is a brilliant and talented politician”
i agree.plus,she is fairly new to national politics-meaning she’s only going to get better at it.
36.nowandhereforever:only three remarks out of 54 on a palin article?
perhaps you should bring in another one of your personalities and have a conversation with it,that is always interesting to witness.(but kinda creepy)
@71. George S.: – … conservatives cannot let down their guard … those marxist still have majority in both the senate and the congress …they have proven themselves to not care about who they supposedly represent.
George, your points are well-taken. But as Steele mentioned the other day – when he crawled out of whatever hole he’s been hiding in – the health care bill is poisonous. Public reaction to it has already proved that. If they pass it on partisan lines they will be hung with it when it eventually leads to ALL of the bad things that both sides know it is intended to implement.
Sure. They can ram it through. But they want Republicans on the hook for it in exactly the same way the got Republicans on the hook for “failing” to prevent Democrats from destroying the credit market back when the FM/FM hearings were held. So far it doesn’t look like even all the Dems are on board though this time, so…
We’ll just have to see. My point was that the majority of the public is not fooled. BHO, Pelosi and Reid looked at the overwhelming success of the media’s disinformation campaign last year – that got an incompetent elected as POTUS – and deluded themselves into thinking they could fool all the people ALL of the time. Nuh-uh.
Why is it that leftists support death panels for grandpa and grandma so we can save a few dollars to support welfare freeloading bums, but they can’t stand the idea of executing convicted murderering scumbag vermin?
I got lucky with #5 and #6.
LOL
Thanks vivo.
#75BIBIOT 44. Wishful thiking from another impotent libtard troll,who advertises his IQ (44) on his posts. With a brilliant,cut-to-the-chase phrase,Palin has speared OBAMANA/MENGELE “CARE”perhaps fatally.Just as delicious,she has avenged herself on the libtard punditocracy that slimed her. You go Girl!
I have a new question, which may seem a little off topic, but I don’t think it is–it gets to the heart of the struggle between common sense and elite arrogance at stake here:
Who, precisely, is writing all these bills? I mean this literally. Since there is absolutely no way Nancy Pelosi is sitting at a table with other Democratic Congress members and churning out one 1,000 page piece of legislation after another in a period of several months, who is actually sitting at the computer and doing it? I can’t think of a more explosive question to ask, either at these town hall meetings or by serious journalists. Let’s have the names of ALL the people who have done the actual writing, and let’s speak with them.
#72 THINKING PERSON Thinking person:re MOHO One word of advice about Mohon:he’s obsessed with defecation, and supports Obama-Mengele care, because he thinks they will pay for his recreational enemas.This is why he refers to your backside.His Spanish name is MOJON which means turd.You cabn disregard his excretins,as he is terminally fullof S*&%t.
#84 ADAM :George Soros, wall street Academiabankers,Hollywood,and the other verminous members of the left wing plutocracy who use OBAMA as their sock puppet.
Yes Sarah Palin is far smarter than her detractors. Nothing makes her detractors madder than people listening to Sarah and not listening to them. In a nut shell they are terrified of her else they wouldn’t be so mesmerized by her.
They keep her front and center far more than her supporters do. For that I thank them.
It is all part of their blind belief in big government that borders on insanity.
(Case in point, anyone that quotes Bill Maher to prove any point has got to have a loose hold on reality.)
MoHo: You of all people should be grateful to Palin for constantly bringing up the plight of those afflicted with Downs Syndrome. Just look how far you’ve come. Good job, MoHo. Keep up the good work. Good job, good job. Now please sit down, and take your finger out of your nose.
@81. Still Bill: – Why is it that leftists support death panels for grandpa and grandma …
Bill, that’s an easy one IF you understand the adolescent mindset that drives the leftist notion of “morality” – that being a clinically documented emphasis on only two of the five fundamental intuitive ethics valued by and necessary for a sustainable society.
Older people are far more likely to have achieved a more holistic – mature – morality, simply because they’ve lived longer and experienced more of what builds classical liberal morality. That morality would be the sort the Founders employed when they signed the Declaration of Independence and hammered out the U.S. Constitution – which has led to a flourishing society founded in capitalism and a representative, Republican form of Government.
Hobbling and marginalizing the morally mature individuals in society – as Medicare and Social Security retirement schedules tend to do, for instance – is simply a way of taking them out of the political landscape, so that there is less public resistance to their socially suicidal – morally adolescent – ideology.
“NICE”-style triage mechanisms achieve the same end by rationing health care based on an individual’s “effectiveness”, as determined by the socialists running the system. This is absolutely no different from the blind idiocy inherent in the slogan “from each according to his gifts, to each according to his need“. That is, who decides what is a “gift” and what is sufficient “need”. So far – at least as implemented by the socialists in America – a “gift” is anything one earns through the fruits of their own efforts and a “need” is anything that can be provided to buy votes.
Having long admired Sarah Palin and her brand of reform motivated politics, I think I can describe her take on ObamaCare. It is like when any of us walk into a museum and look at an abstract painting and the guide goes on and on talking about what you can see in it when one person standing at the back of the crowd says,”It looks like someone spilled their paint set”.
Will the Obama Administration use “Death Panels,” it is already using them in the Veterans Administration.
The Progressive Socialists are always striving to create their vision of a Utopian State, but in every experiment a Dystopian Hell has emerged: the National Socialists, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao are some of the more recent examples of the Progressive Socialist’s vision of the creation of heaven on earth or the Utopian Dream.
Sir Thomas Moore coined the word Utopia in 1516, using the Greek roots ou and topos, meaning not and place respectively; this was a play on words or a pun of the Greek word eutopia, meaning the place where all is well. There is a distinct possibility that Sir Thomas realized the problems future generations would encounter trying to implement the vision of a perfect state.
Sir Thomas More named the perfect state but the concept was much older. From the second millennium the Sumerian epic Gilgamesh described an earthly paradise where there was no death, no sickness, no attacks by lions, no widows, and no mourning by the dove.
Plato described his idea of a perfect state in the Republic in the 4th Century BC. Slavery was a given part of the Republic, women were owned communally and the breeding of children was directed towards producing an improved race through an early form of Eugenics. Philosopher Guardians were to be the ruling elites and all property was to be communal. There was to be no art, music, or poetry; the Totalitarian state found its genesis in the fundamentals of Plato’s Republic.
More’s Utopia described a Communist State with six hour work days, free communal restaurants with music, free medical treatment, and government clothing. The penal code was severe especially for sexual laws, adultery was punished by slavery and death.
The antithesis to Utopian Visions of the Progressive Socialist and the Liberal Marxist has been the apocalyptic realities of trying to implement the concepts and ending up with a dystopia or a creation of hell on earth.
Apocalypse, the last book of the New Testament or the Revelation of St John has come to symbolize doom and prophetic warnings impending disaster. Orwell wrote frightening or horrifying descriptions of the Socialist Dystopia in Animal Farm, 1945 and Nineteen Eighty Four, 1949. Aldous Huxley also wrote an elegant portrayal of a dystopia in his Brave New World, 1932. These represent the best, but there are many more.
In our contemporary world we have the Progressive Socialist Utopian Visions of Obama, Soros, Pelosi, Rahm, Reid, and our ever faithful propaganda bureau known generically as the MSM. They are driven to install their versions of a Utopian Society upon an increasingly resistant populace. In their self-deemed infinite wisdom they have of course chosen themselves to be Plato’s Philosopher Guardians of the Public Welfare, thus they become the Elites of Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty Four and the benefactors of all the wealth and power implied.
Now Sarah Palin as the the antithesis steps forward and disrupts their Utopian Visions with apocalyptic reality and the Progressive Socialist is challenged to the point of frantic decisions based on vitriol that illustrates the incompetence and ineptness of the administration.
Eventually the bureaucrats and propagandists reduced to employing periphrasis, the circumlocutioun style of jargon of semi-literate officials caught in deep doo doo at the bottom of the outhouse. They are facing the Greek situation of Peripeteia, or from prosperity to ruin. An example would be when the messenger approaches Oedipus with news to enlighten him of the question of his mother and inadvertently reveals the true nature of his birth.
Of course the supposed good news of Obama’s Health Care that was not written or read by him includes many secrets that were installed by his minions and as he learns the true nature of the details, he realizes the impending doom that surrounds him. The Greek-like tragedy of Obama’s Doomed Health Care Plan will be analyzed and laughed at for generations.
Palin as the progenitor of both good news and impending doom is more than willing to act as the agent of peripetia delivering the message and stealing the popularity that was once so freely given to the Wee Weed Man. In her humble manner, she is slowly but surely derailing the most powerful government in the world and it dream of Progressive Socialism.
from William Blake’s The Clod and The Pebble
“Love seeketh only Self to please,
To bind another to its delight
Joy in another’s loss of ease
And build a Hell in Heaven’s despite.”
Barack Goliath Obama’s consort takes a hit from Sarah David Palin, seemingly coming out of nowhere. Basketball, anyone?
This was not a partisan shot, it was a brilliant piece of common sense. Sarah Palin can resonate with the center and the center left. The last instance of this kind of genius was Ronald Reagan.
I was watching clips on YouTube from Soylent Green. Sol’s final journey an especially good scene from the flick. Watch that film and it’s not hard to figure out the sides in today’s debate. Some watched that movie and worried about the overcrowding and degradation of the environment it portrayed. Some watched that movie and worried about the authoritarian response to that degradation: euthanasia and recycling us into Soylent Green.
My instinct is to worry about authoritarain government. I think I’m in the majority. That’s were a population raised on movies is going to get their ideas, and after all, it’s not a bad flick. Lays out the choice pretty well.
#77 MOHO.. and bringing up the fact that your mother was a ho’;hence MOHO,impressed ibtards so much, that they gave you an affirmative action scholarship to attend a special needs college.
#87 ROGER THAT BILL!GREAT POST,AND YOU ARE NOT ALONE.However,the only people the left wing plutocracy wants recycled are white members of middle america;don’t forget who Obama’s minister was for 20 years.
The biggest scare of the Oregon article is the rating of procedures. Things like depression, smoking, etc. ranked higher than by-pass and surgery. Once government gets involved, all sorts of PC will abound and yes they will make the decisions.
Still Bill – take it farther, they support death panels for grandma and grampa, but don’t dare waterboard a terrorist.
#81 STILL BILL; That’s easy:Welfare- dependent slugs,murderers,rapists,drug dealers,and I would add, terrorists,form the natural constituency for liberalism. Liberals fantasize about freeing “convicted murdering scumbag vermin” , so that they can join ACORN,and create a militia with which to crush and destroy Middle America.Liberalisms instincts are all Stalinist.
“86. deguello:
#84 ADAM :George Soros, wall street Academiabankers,Hollywood,and the other verminous members of the left wing plutocracy who use OBAMA as their sock puppet.
Aug 25, 2009 – 8:56 am”
Yes, in general I’m sure you’re right but I’m not simply requesting information here. This should be the first question asked at every Town Hall meeting and by every journalist not in the Obamatank. Even your answer is too vague: George Soros personally, or could we have access to the list of those he funds and sponsers, so as to contact them? Which Hollywood members? Which academics (aside from Zeke)? Where is ACORN and other activist groups in all this? Can’t Republicans in Congress call on them to testify? Let’s get creative here and keep up the pressure.
See this post:
http://ckmac.com/thewholething/2009/08/who-really-wrote-obamas-stimulus-bill/
#13David S(talinist)”Death panels are not part of the Bill”!Nicely lied David,and of course, Obama didn’t get into Yale without affirmative action,Geithner is not a tax cheat,the economy is recovering,Obama speaks beautifully wthout his teleprompter, Cuba’s health care system is better than ours ,and your’e more than just a lying libtard troll,programmed by ACORN.
Your hero. An all time classic.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/25/palin-bailout-healthcare/
During the interview, Couric asked Palin why she believes the Wall Street bailout is needed.
Palin responded incoherently by claiming that the bailout would “help those who are concerned about health care reform.” Palin then appeared to look down at her notes and says, “Oh, it’s got to be all about job creation”:
COURIC: Why isn’t it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries? … Instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?
PALIN: Ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy– Oh, it’s got to be about job creation too. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions.
#81 Still Bill
For the same reason they support the murder of babies.
For the same reason they call the Police “stupid”.
For the same reason they want to destroy the free-market economy that has freed humanity from poverty for the first time in history.
For the same reason they love(d) stalin, mao, polpot and castro.
For the same reason they hate our Warriors.
For the same reason they burn our Flag.
They are evil.
Their tactics aim at destroying Freedom, but their strategy is HELL
We never talk about that, but we should.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
It has taken me awhile to comment on your article because I couldn’t stop laughing. Lets take the title, “Journalists Left out of the Debate”. Really? News flash, Howard: the public refused to buy your propaganda. It may be news to you that the entire world knows you and your ilk have been in the tank for BO from the beginning. It is old news to us. You put this
guy in office with your obscene lack of investigative reporting and now he is failing almost as fast your revenues are falling. But let’s move on.
Your first sentence :”For once, mainstream journalists did not retreat to the studied neutrality of quoting dueling antagonists.” “Studied neutrality”, Howard?
Give me a break. You don’t recall CNN anchors, with all the class of an adolescent just discovering his genitalia,
calling protesters teabaggers? “Teabaggers”, Howard.
See if you can pull yourself back from your sexual reverie and I’ll continue. That will probably be difficult because we are talking about the bright, attractive, sexy Sarah Palin and you know how you msm folk get when just the sound of her name tickles your ear lobes.
Look at this bit, “They tried to perform last rites on the ludicrous claim about President Obama’s death panels, telling Sarah Palin, in effect, you’ve got to quit making things up.” “Making things up”? Howard try not to be so concrete. Palin was not saying that the
words, “death panels” or “euthanasia” were in the bill. Learn to put 2 and 2 together. Government run health care has a history all over the world of controlling cost by rationing care. Old people and the disabled require a lot care. New babies have the potential of a
lifetime of health care. This means money, Howard. The end of life counseling part of the bill appeared in the cost containment section of the bill. So, Howard, how will the cuts be decided and who will decide? A panel or just one despot?
jharp:
If Palin is so stupid why are you wasting your time commenting on a conservative blog?
Let’s see, Sarah Palin former Governor of Alaska or jharp troll reading Obama’s talking points. Which one has the higher IQ?
I am a 68 year old American female….raised in a free and wonderful country. My son has become informed about many things I found repugnant. He asked me to watch a video (The Obama Deception) on YouTube, done by Alex Jones. It has changed my life…and my husband’s – a VN vet, civil servant (serving on local hospital and school boards for years). WE HAVE TURNED THE CORNER from blindly accepting the formula fed to us by the media. Many of you are far more informed than I…but if you have not seen the video….please spend the time. Our nation is in the fight for its life…and being right or left is a ruse…we need to be AMERICANS…Thanks for your time.
Sarah Palin looks toward a strong, confident citizenry.
The Barack Obama ethos relies on a weak, afraid citizenry.
His goal isn’t to ease fear, but to exaggerate it and deepen it.
Fouad Ajami: Obama’s Summer of Discontent
In contrast, there is joylessness in Mr. Obama. He is a scold, the “Yes we can!” mantra is shallow, and at any rate, it is about the coming to power of a man, and a political class, invested in its own sense of smarts and wisdom, and its right to alter the social contract of the land. In this view, the country had lost its way and the new leader and the political class arrayed around him will bring it back to the right path.
DavidS asks about what Palin would do, well she has suggested tort reform, its a major issue that needs to be asssessed with common sense, which is why you ignored it…
The Democrat & Republican elite hate Sarah Palin because she’s an average American. She’s the embodiment of the vision of the Founding Father’s, the citizen-statesman (or in this case woman). If Palin can run for office and get things done then other average citizens might decide they too can walk the hallowed halls of power that the aristocratic elite think are reserved for them.
The Liberals hate her because she debunks their feminist victimization argument. She forces the femi-nazis to look in the mirror and see what they sacrificed on the alter of their personal & political agendas. She drives the Marxists nuts because she holds Christian and American values dear.
And for those of you that deny the “death panel” thing, the words were not specifically in the bill but anyone with common sense can see that an implied responsibility of the panel outlined in the bill will be the rationing of care. This means they decide who receives what care, and thus who lives and dies. Deny all you want but you know that’s the truth.
Also if the press gave Obama 50% of the scrutiny they gave Palin he wouldn’t be our President right now.
The biggest failing in U.S. citizens is that they do not know how to listen. The U.S. is the most closed minded society on the globe except for the Islamic world. If Presdient Obama called you on the phone and told you that the so called death panels don’t exist and the only reference to this was to have medical plans pay for counselling for people who may want to decide whether they want to kept alive by machines after they are for all intents and purposes dead,or whether they want to die in the hospital, home or a hospice, and that even this meagre proposal was driven out of his plan because of hysteria, his opponents would say you can’t trust Obama because he is a communist and all his friends are communists too, and besides, he’s holding the office illegaly because he was born on Alpha Centuri. This extreme polarization created out of ignorance and fear is manipulated by those with their eye on the bottom line makes the U.S. an unworkable country.
jerryofva:
jharp:
“If Palin is so stupid why are you wasting your time commenting on a conservative blog?”
Because I care about our country and our health care system is crippling our economy.
I’ll say it again. We have the most expensive system in the world, by double. For the same level of care.
And we are the only country that doesn’t cover everyone and are the only country where you can lose all of your wealth over getting sick.
And we are the only country that doesn’t have some form of a single payer/public option.
Clear?
THE TIME IS NOW…to emotionally abuse JHARP and NOW AND THEN!
Hi Guys, guess who? It’s Billslayer here to remind the public the your Messiah, Sweet little Barry got his start in politics turning tricks for a slumlord. To be on a morally equivalent plane with Barry, Palin would have to sleep with a slumlord too. So, just to make your day complete, imagine your Messiah, running, sprinting, to jump into bed and get butt up with an oily pervert slumlord! ENJOY~!
jharp: COURIC: Why isn’t it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries? … Instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?
Why didn’t she ask that question of Obama with his stimulus? Seems to me all the big financial institutions got the money – where was Couric then – oh yeah, this time it was Obama, so it is okay.
MOHO I bet you think she’s a JEWESS too and a RACIST come on you know you want to say it we all know how you hate them Jews dont you in an even handed moronic ‘libtard’ sort of way that is. LOL
The basic root of all the disagreement between the left and right boils down to this one question.
Is an individual responsible for their own decisions and to what degree should they reap the benefits or suffer the consequences?
Its a little bit oversimplified but that’s the essence of it.
The Left generally is like the child who wants to prove the parent wrong by refuting the wisdom of their experience. We have classic/collective wisdom (aka common sense) for a reason; people have been there, done that, bought the T-shirt and it didn’t work.
Why do conservatives have all the babes you know Palin, Geller and Malkin and the ‘libtards’ all the dogs Michelle HUSSEIN Obamanator, Boxer , Pelosi and Clinton. There must be something about left wing moonbattedness that appeals to ugly women maybe its the intellectually challenged guys who are ‘libtards; too so more chance of them scoring. LOL.
Again I agree with Billslayer. This isn’t totally about ideology. This is Chicago politics, Barry is rewarding all his backers. Follow the money every time. He is dirtier than we can all imagine with George Soros near the top of the list. He is trying to shut up any opposition, by any means. People like this hate the light of day.
Jharp:
The fact that you replied to an obvious put-down shows that you are less intelligent then Trig Palin. I am sure the folks at “NICE” will note this and you will only receive palative care in the future.
103. jerryofva wrote:
Let’s see, Sarah Palin former Governor of Alaska or jharp troll reading Obama’s talking points. Which one has the higher IQ?
Peter writes: jharp troll has an IQ?
Conservative Mom:
“Why didn’t she (Couric) ask that question of Obama with his stimulus?”
You’re right. How could I have missed that.
Palin’s moronic response is irrelevant since Obama wasn’t asked the same question.
Do you try to be such an ignoramus? You must. There is no way someone could be such a fool without a great effort.
108. Lorenzo wrote:
If Presdient Obama called you on the phone and told you that the so called death panels don’t exist and the only reference to this was to have medical plans pay for counselling for people who may want to decide whether they want to kept alive by machines after they are for all intents and purposes dead,or whether they want to die in the hospital, home or a hospice, and that even this meagre proposal was driven out of his plan because of hysteria, his opponents would say you can’t trust Obama because he is a communist and all his friends are communists too, and besides, he’s holding the office illegaly because he was born on Alpha Centuri.
Peter writes: No, I woudn’t believe him because I have read what is proposed in HR3200 and, while not stated verbatim, what is there could eventually be construed into a so-called ‘Death Panel’ as political bureaucrats are given the power to decide whether it is cost effective to the government whether or not to fund the life-saving operation my wife or my daughter or myself needs to remain alive and productive, and because I know how politicians, especially those of The Won’s ilk, think and act, and the last thing I ever want to do is put my life or my health in the hands of a partisian bureaucrat.
#109JHARP Clear as mud,also dirty,demagoguic and demented. Countries who”cover” their citizens, with the single payer fraud ,routinely kill these same citizens,through rationing,even as their socialist health “care”systems go bankrupt.It takes 6 month to get an MRI in the UK.To desire that kind of Mengele”care’ exposes you as an ass. Palin represents a credible threat to libtardism,and has,with a simple hard-hitting phrase,erased all the libtard propaganda on behalf of Mengele Care,generated by the same libtard pundits who regard themselves as her intellectual superiors. Harp:get yourself a tune up!
We have the best system in the world with the absolute worst running it right now.
obammy is a traitor and the people who support him are scum.
Sara P stands up, speaks up and then shuts up. That’s why she is the libs antiboma.
Palin in 2010 after we impeach obammy mammy.
@100. jharp: – Your hero.
Good little troll. Keep focusing on Palin. Pile on the media attention.
Palin’s moronic response is irrelevant…
That – actually both of those thoughts are your straw men.
No on said her response was “irrelevant”. And you’re in the minority here in thinking her response was “moronic”.
#112PRAGMATIST:I must come to MOHO’s defense. He doesn’t hate only Jews;he believes in diversity! He hates ALL white people.
jharp – no you missed the point. She may not have had the “talking point answer” to their set up questions. Oops, no teleprompter and beforehand questions.
She is human. The point is that the media never once vetted Obama, if they had his socialist policies, his obvious corruption would have come to light. Where is Palin’s corruption? Oh yeah, your people tried that in Alaska, but couldn’t make it stick. She has spent her whole career bringing corruption to light. Good Luck!
Hmm. Watching from the other side of the Atlantic, something springs to mind…
Margaret Thatcher’s career was thought to be over in 1974. She was widely considered to have blown her only ministerial post – Education – with the unpopular abolition of free milk for primary school pupils (this at a time the country was so broke there were regular planned blackouts, North Korea-style, incidentally), and policy disagreements with Prime Minister Edward Heath and other Party bigwigs. She was an outsider; a fringe figure. She was a lightweight, lacking gravitas (read: brains). She spoke too plainly, with little regard for subtlety and nuance.
You can still sense the air of shock, reading contemporary reports of her election as Party leader. The consensus was that the Tories had made a colossal mistake in electing this novelty, this comedy housewife playing politician. She’d never be Prime Minister, of course…
PEOPLE! Imagine, iif you will, a young Sarah Palinm before she met her husband, had worked for an oily, mouth breathing criminal slumlord. She had been rewarded lavishly. She had gotten places fast because of her association with him.
What would liberals say about Sarah Palin for doing that? What about the MSM? What about democrats?
In case you have no imagination, I’ll fill in the blanks. They would say that she was f88888g him.
I think Sweet Little Barry is a morally flexible guy. I’d say that’s pretty obvious because his best known asociates before the election were Rezko,Wright and Ayers.
And it begs the question, doesn’t it?
#108Lorenzo:NO, cretin,it’s Obama,and his goons who refuse to listen to the American poeople’s principled rejection of Socialized medicine. Your post marks you as one of the O’HOLE’S space cadets.Obama wasn’t born in Alpha Centauri.You were: Return to planet ACORN,and may you crash and burn on re-entry.
Scott,
You left out two points.
The overall cost of any program always ends up more than 50 times than what the initial ‘government experts’ or ‘panels’ estimated it to be.
And there is no end to any program once it is initialized. They may have changed names (‘Cash for Clunkers’), but it will come back ‘due to popular demand’.
The real clue as to how “IRREVELANT” Sarah Palin is documented (negatively) byt the very MSM that has been telling us for 11 months she is!
Since she posted 8/7/09 about “Obamacare” Obama’s approval rating has dropped from the high 50% range to the low 50% range while his disapproval rating has skyrocketed from the 30% range to the mid 40% range.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/08/poll_hits_on_he.html
Lefties in both parties are trying to discredit conservatives (who tend to be Republican). The left is scared to death of Sarah which is why they work so very, very hard to discredit her; and have been for 11 months.
Palin should “use” her son in getting reform or anything else that will help the children. She said she will campaign for Dem or Repub that she feels has America’s interests at heart. Hey!! Obama uses the left’s lack of common sense to get bills passed…just sayin’…
the news said that the Dems have “1000+” meetings planned across America for health reform. The union thugs and black panthers will probably be out in full force, and it will be interesting to watch, it won’t change my vote come 2010, but it will be interesting to see how low they can crawl.
We can count on Palin to be one of those around to tell us what is really going on as we cannot depend on the mass media.
So, get ready for some “wee weed up” people on the Dems side to be spilling out their vomit of “something free for me” rhetoric. Free anything is not a “right”…Heck, they’re the original American racists..they should check their party background.
I would like to see Obama in a noholdsbared , unscripted, “conversation” with Hannity or Beck or better yet…Rush..O’reiley would butter him up too much and never get to the point.
Obama has the original “foot in mouth” disease when he tries to answer “unscripted” questions. The man may have an education, but he’s “DUMB”..
I think all the trolls are one person with no life outside the boards and live for this site.. Some of you just get too excited over their drivel…troll poop.
Ah, but there IS specifically a “death panel” in HR3200.
A comment that I made on another article:
Earlier this year the “Stimulus” legislation established and funded the “Comparative Effectiveness Research” panel. HR3200 gives that panel the authority to issue rules, specifically exempted from judicial review, that allocate the spending of federal health care funds.
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel. principal medical advisor to President Obama, published an article in a major medical journal that was a plan on how funds should be allocated. His proposed system is almost identical to the British NHS QALY (Quality Adjusted Life Years) which allocates funds based upon remaining life expectancy and the value of those years to society in general. Dr. Emanuel is, in fact, a eugenicist.
That this is what Mrs. Palin was referring to as “death panels” is made clear by the fact that she included her son, Trig, in the class of people who would receive less medical care than others. Since he has Down’s Syndrome his remaining years would be ruled fewer and each year less valuable than the general population
127 blogs about Sarah and this article in 8 hrs.
And people dismiss her!
Another proud moment in that annals of teabaggery.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/25/coburn-weeping-wife/
“a health care town hall where a weeping constituent explained to Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) that her husband’s health insurer refuses to cover his treatment for a traumatic brain injury. As the woman continued to cry, Coburn told her that his office would try to assist her individually.”
But, he added, “the idea that the government is the solution to our problems is an inaccurate, a very inaccurate statement.”
Senator Coburn just essentially said,
‘The government is not the solution.’ But then you have to ask yourself, he just told her to come and see him. Isn’t he the government?”
So I guess Senator Coburn solution is to help each American individually through their elected Senator.
Does that sound cost effective O Wingnutosphere?
I gotta admit though. That’s thinking outside the box.
@124. Conservative Mom: – She may not have had the “talking point answer” to their set up questions. Oops, no teleprompter and beforehand questions. She is human.
Also recall that she had a very narrow rhetorical window within which she could respond to such a false-choice-fallacy-in-the-form-of-a-question, since her socialist running mate’s positions on the issues made absolutely no sense in the first place. Instead of attacking McCain on that inconsistency, the media attacked her, because they know that she’s the only REAL threat to the advancement of the socialist agenda here in America.
This might also shed some light onto why McCain and his campaign basically hung her out to dry when the media tried to destroy her and her family.
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@125. Sam Duncan: – Hmm. Watching from the other side of the Atlantic…
Awesome observation, Sam!
“A new analysis by Public Policy Polling (D) finds that Sarah Palin is especially popular with a key Republican demographic: The Birthers.
Among those respondents in PPP’s latest national poll who either said that President Obama was not born in the United States or were undecided, Palin had a 66% favorability rating.”
Palin supporters = the most ignorant of the party of ignorance
Run with it gentlemen. Please do. And just think. All you need to do is track down that Kenyan birth certificate and voila! President Palin.
All the way back to DavidN (2):
It sure does frustrate you smart folks when us dumb rednecks “cling to our God and our guns”. You have my deepest sympathy. The substantial majority of all Americans believe in God and are utterly recalcitrant in their backward ways. It must pain you terribly to live in a brave New World that has such people in it.
JHarp:
There is no question that Sarah Palin did not do as well as she should have in the Couric interview last year, as you seem determined to remind this audience daily. Obama avoided that problem by not scheduling any potentially difficult interviews, and still hasn’t. But anyone who seriously suggests that a stumble or two in a hostile cross-examination by a highly paid professional shows a lack of intelligence or knowledge is simply revealing that they’ve never been there or done that. Her real stumble was in accepting the Gibson and Couric interviews in that format in the first place. Inexperience, true, but poor handling by the “experts”of the McCain campaign is more likely to blame. Obama was never permitted to make a mistake like that.
So where are we now? This woman who has been mercilessly pilloried by the assembled powers of the press for months in a campaign that has never let truth stand in the way of a vicious attack is now in a position where comments on her personal FACEBOOK page (!) carry more weight in the national debate that the assembled opinion pages of the New York Times and Washington Post. Her FACEBOOK comments move legislation, convulse the left and clearly unnerve a president who has dominant majorities in both houses of congress.
And this is true for simple reasons: what Sarah says is insightful and true, she says it succinctly, and millions of thoughtful Americans are interested in what she has to say. I’ve seen nothing like this in American politics in my long lifetime. It is going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
You may not like Sarah Palin, JHarp. Most leftists don’t, for good reason. But denigrating her intelligence is nothing but a telling comment on your own.
@133. jharp: – Does that sound cost effective…
Given the unprecedented level of deficit and overwhelming debt this administration has incurred in only 7 mos., simple logic would dictate that Coburn’s is a far more reasonable-sounding approach. Duh.
BTW jharp, just wanted to take a moment to let you know that I thoroughly enjoy watching you and BC constantly shooting yourselves (and eachother) in the foot with all your regurgipasted lefty nonsense. Thanks for all the laffs.
#109 jharp
The health system in this country is not crippling the economy – Medicare is, through its rapidly growing and unfunded liabilities, i.e., promises made that government cannot keep.
We don’t have the same level of care in this country for double the price – we have superior care. You don’t see people leaving the US for care, but you sure do see them entering for it.
And NO ONE in the US gets turned away for health care, regardless of ability to pay.
And maybe we wouldn’t go broke if our health care spending was made with pre-tax dollars.
And single payer/public option has proven itself a failure, or is failing everywhere it’s been tried.
Clear?
JHARP cannot reply in defense of his Messiah, the recipient of filthy lucre from the SLUMLORD!
128. always right:
“Scott,
You left out two points.
The overall cost of any program always ends up more than 50 times than what the initial ‘government experts’ or ‘panels’ estimated it to be.
And there is no end to any program once it is initialized. They may have changed names (’Cash for Clunkers’), but it will come back ‘due to popular demand’.”
There is that too, we have evidence right in front of us on how this program would work if implemented. Medicare & Medicaid have trillions (that’s trillion with a T) in unfunded liabilities, Oregon’s health system linked elsewhere in this thread, Canada & GB’s systems, and the VA.
@135. jharp: – All you need to do is track down that Kenyan birth certificate …
At the rate BHO and his Keystone Kops Kabinet are getting the CIA ‘all wee-weed up’, it’s only a matter of time before that happens, one way or another.
materialist:
“I’ve seen nothing like this in American politics in my long lifetime.”
That is true. Never has someone as ignorant as Palin come anywhere near the White House. And for that I thank God.
“It is going to be interesting to see how this plays out.”
Not really. Here’s how it will play. The ignorant teabaggers and birthers will make Palin rich (ala Hannity, Limbaugh, and Beck). And she will never get within a 100 miles of national office.
“You may not like Sarah Palin, JHarp.”
Though I always could easily see Palin was an ignoramus, I actually had nothing personal against her until she spread the lie about death panels in order to frighten the elderly. That is just plain evil.
#38 dougf – Gave up oon Palin, huh? I hear what you’re saying. Her first two big interviews went really badly. She was ill-prepared, trying to spew McCain campaign positions. What most don’t know is that all her subsequent interviews went well enough, and she did many. In fact, the other candidates did very few. Biden did none, so far as I know.
Now, let’s just try to analyze what she did with the “Death Panels” comment. There is a debate technique called refuctio ad absurdum. Take your opponent’s argument to its logical, absurd extreme and show the ridiculousness (or grotesquerie) of his position. Ann Coulter does this all the time with her snark. Palin’s comment absolutely defined the debate with this tactic.
When one looks at the issue, it is clear that there may, indeed, not be “death panels” per se, but there will be faceless bureaucrats and guidelines. There will be a great loss of personal power, a sense of helplessness. It’s bad enough with HMO’s, but when it’s the gummint, it’s game-over. In 1792, the SCOTUS ruled the Federal Government to be Sovereign. Certain aspects of it cannot be sued. This will be one of them. There will be no remedy.
It’s really about the authoritarian nature of such a program. Palin’s “Death Panels” label focussed people on the real issue of the helplessness you will feel under such a system, the loss of personal power over your own life. The whole issue is about power and control… and whose.
I used a lot of words to describe what Palin did with just two. Death. Panels.
Brilliant. Brutal. Deadly. Not bad for some discredited, hick baby-factory, huh? How do you think she littered the AK political landscape with the bodies of her opponents? She’s only 45. She will only get better. Sure you want to give up on her?
Freddie:
“You don’t see people leaving the US for care”
You don’t get out much. It happens every day. WellPoint even pays for travel to India for hip replacements. Are you proud of a system that ships Granda off to India for a medical procedure?
“And NO ONE in the US gets turned away for health care, regardless of ability to pay.”
Flat out false. Folks are denied care very day. Watch the clip of Coburns town hall. The woman’s husband has insurance and is being denied care!
“And single payer/public option has proven itself a failure, or is failing everywhere it’s been tried.”
And that’s why every other country in the world uses it, right? No one. Not one uses the U.S. model. And all of them deliver the same level of care for 1/2 of we pay. And cover everyone and no one loses everything over an illness.
@129. Rod Stanton: – Lefties in both parties…
Rod, I’m stealing this. Just to let you know.
It’s an absolutely perfect meme for our time!
David S:
You could have held your breath, because Sarah Palin published something several days ago. “No Health Care Reform Without Legal Reform,” http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=120607013434
jharp:
I see you are still hard at work showing us how stupid you are. President Obama is far more ignorant then Sarah Palin. She at least knows how many states there are; who the Allies were in WWII and the difference between Memorial Day and Armistice Day.
Jharp, now you’re just lying. Palin is a Christian not an ignoramus (synonym for agnostic).
“Palin is a Christian”
Does a Christian intentionally lie for political gain?
A lie that’s sole purpose is to scare the bejesus out of the elderly in order for them to vote against their own best interest?
I’ll answer for you. A true Christian wouldn’t even consider it.
Palin is pure evil.
Here jharp – this will give you something to occupy you for a little bit (my emph.):
What is it about Democrats and phony documents?
Wouldn’t it be interesting if, while investigating Nemazee, they actually looked at BHO’s fraudulent online campaign donation system.
That was a rhetorical question.
#133 jharp – Your Senator is NOT the government. He is your elected public servant. When Coburn said to come see him, he was offering to serve. What will his solution be? We don’t know. There may not be one. He may be able to use his stature and influence to get things moving. Perhaps he can call upon wealthy donors to help. Perhaps he knows of advocacy groups. Perhaps, he can get insurance regulators to look into it to see if there is a violation. Clearly, his answer will not be another law, but application of the existing channels.
The important thing is, she CAN go to her Senator for potential relief, when all else fails. With gummint-run healthcare, she would not be able to. He wouldn’t be able to help her.
#91 Steve Sampson – Marvelous post!
Meh. ‘Cash for Colon polyps’ just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
Hmm. I see 0bama’s used, sweaty jock straps are still stinkin’ up this place with their sh1t stirring malarky. So original.
Sarah sure does cause the Leftroll’s heads to spin on their spineless necks.
Troll on, Wayne. Troll on, Garth.
The concept of “Death Panels” already exists. Medicare(government) is heavily influencing the care given by nursing homes, care givers and hospitals. I witnessed it firsthand during my Father’s last few months this past winter.
There have also been other cases like the lady in Oregon, Barbara Wagner, who was denied an expensive drug and instead offered physician assisted suicide.
You have to be really addicted to the Kool Aid to not see how completely evil and irresponsible a further invasion of the government into health care would be for all Americans.
Sarah has offered solutions that would work – tort reform and more competition. I would add the removal of government from health care altogether, along with health savings accounts.
The only thing “broken” with our health care is the ever-encroaching government that continues to kill competition and drive up costs.
BTW – How dare Obama accuse doctors of unnecessarily removing organs and limbs just to make some more money. Before any liberals condemn Sarah’s hard look at Obamacare, review the lies “inflammatory rhetorical devices” coming from the socialist left, starting with the POTUS.
Carla:
MoHo: You of all people should be grateful to Palin for constantly bringing up the plight of those afflicted with Downs Syndrome. Just look how far you’ve come. Good job, MoHo. Keep up the good work. Good job, good job. Now please sit down, and take your finger out of your nose.
This is what I love about you people, you so easily pwn yourself. I mean, isn’t this your constant wail, that the media and lefties are making fun of kids with Downes Syndrome–a subject its obvious you actually don’t give a rat’s ass about. I hope you keep this up, its very entertaining. What America sees when they look at people like you is a bunch of angry, inconsistent people looking for something to be angry about. Today its people making fun of kids with Downes Syndrome, tomorrow, if Palin tells you to, you’ll make fun of the same children. Really. Dumb. People.
Marc Malone:
“#133 jharp – Your Senator is NOT the government. He is your elected public servant. When Coburn said to come see him, he was offering to serve. What will his solution be? We don’t know. There may not be one. He may be able to use his stature and influence to get things moving. Perhaps he can call upon wealthy donors to help. Perhaps he knows of advocacy groups. Perhaps, he can get insurance regulators to look into it to see if there is a violation. Clearly, his answer will not be another law, but application of the existing channels.”
Or he could get behind the public option and solve the same problem the other 300 million of us are subject to. And put the American health care system up to par with the rest of the world where treatments aren’t denied in order to preserve the profits of a private company.
And clearly a U.S. Senator is part of the government. Good Lord, you are really losing it.
“The important thing is, she CAN go to her Senator for potential relief, when all else fails. With gummint-run healthcare, she would not be able to. He wouldn’t be able to help her.”
Care to explain this utter nonsense. Let me guess. On page 978 the bill says citizens will no longer be able to contact their Senators when they fell an injustice is being put upon them.
GOY
Oy Vey! Stealing? God forbid!
Thank you, Sarah Palin:
Saracuda: 1
Socialism: 0
The best part of this is that now BHO, Pelosi and Reid will have to move on – following defeat by someone who isn’t even part of the government – to the elements of their agenda that the People REALLY won’t stand for: allowing unions to drive every OTHER industry into bankruptcy via “card check”, driving energy costs through the roof with cap-and-tax and letting illegal aliens overrun the country with ‘amnesty’.
And that’s before we even begin talking about how BHO has failed to end the occupation of Iraq and bogged us down in a Viet-Nam-like quagmire in Afghanistan.
Meanwhile, BHO tries to change the narrative channel… by attacking the ONLY gang of Americans with the means, manpower and motivation to reveal every last one of his carefully guarded secrets.
Way to go, Urkel.
Go find a site where they would sing along with your enlightened political prose. Don’t piss on people about being a concerned and issue oriented citizen. All of your name calling posts show you to be something quite different. You are nothing but a troll and you care about nothing but the fortunes of the Social Democrats. Ask yourself, why am I Borg? And don’t bother to respond to this because I couldn’t care less whatever you have to say.
@156. Rod Stanton: Stealing?
What can I say.
I was once a registered, Democrat.
Old habits die hard.
“pwn”, really? Are you 12?
Palin is pure evil? I see you think of her as the conservative Obama. Fear and hyperbole.
#144 jharp
The woman is being denied coverage, not care. The care is still available, affordable or not, but once government is involved, the fear is that the care won’t even be available.
A “system that ships grandpa off to India” is still part of choice, a key word that you will sorely miss once your government gets hold of your health care.
It’s getting tiresome to hear that “every other country in the world” uses single payer. Every other country is also a mess as far as governance. I’d rather keep government as far away from my life as possible. That’s what makes us different/better.
I don’t profess to know what the best fix is for the so-called health care reform, but I know for sure the answer does not lie with government. Their job is to regulate and get out of the way, not take over.
Most of you have heard it before but if you switch the word health care with food in any insurance policy you will see in a short time why any form of insurance will never work in the long run in its present form. Now when you go to the store you might splurge on a good bottle of wine or a big prime cut steak once a month. But on most things you are looking for the best bang for the buck. You buy lesser brands because they are on sale or because the best is not important on some items. Now put an insurance mentality on this same picture and see where it takes you. Steaks every night, the best wine all of the time. Best soap, best tooth paste etc because cost is no object. We, the people, have to get back into the loop some how. It certainly is not with gov. intervention except to make the playing field even for all buyers;ie tax deductions for everyone on their premiums, no state borders for the competeing companies, no pre-existing condition refusals with a US wide pre-existing person pool shared by ALL insurance companies, tort reform and loser pays all expenses in liability cases, no advantage for employee or union based health insurance and last but not least, no illegal immigrant health coverage.
From one of jharp’s myriad posts, in reply to the question of why he is here:
Because I care about our country and our health care system is crippling our economy.
That is the biggest load of BS you’ve ever posted. If you actually believed that everyone here is as stupid as you claim we are, there is no way on Earth you’d bother coming here. You are a paid poster, plain and simple.
And that’s not even getting into your oft-repeated statement that we who oppose Obama represent a “shrinking minority”.
Who in their right mind would spend time in thread after thread posting mindless talking points in support of Obama and over the top rants about his intelligence and their stupidity to an audience that can’t understand them and is too small to matter in a democratic republic? NO ONE. Not even someone as ignorant as you, jharp. You zero-credibility loser.
It is an interesting question: who writes these bills that Congresscritters don’t have the time to read?
As far as I can figure: their staff.
When you take the allowable staff for each Representative and multiply it by the number of Representatives you come up with nearly 10,000 people. The interesting thing is that I don’t vote to elect a staff: I vote for a Representative who has a job. That job cannot be handed off to anyone else who is not elected. The staff is supposed to help the Representative write the legislation, not write it for the Representative. That is not subtle in any way, shape or form as writing legislation is the job that a Representative is elected to do.
What I do propose is to get the staff elected… or, more properly, to have Congress change its ratio for Representatives to 1:30,000. That gets you a tad over 9,000 Representatives who have the job of writing legislation, which is obviously far too difficult for 435 of them to do. At that point you don’t need a staff, so they get NONE. You get a Representative that lives in a district of 30,000 so you actually have a fair chance of knowing the person. In such a small district every vote counts and a few dozen people who don’t like the way you do a job can easily swing an election to get you voted out.
Out of this you would no longer get huge bills: they would have to be readable and understandable to the House members, plus you get a lot of eagle-eyes looking to get rid of perks and pork as you would have problems getting a majority to sign off on the stuff. This also removes the idea that being a Representative is a life long position. Plus it gives direct oversight to every single government agency or body directly to the House, possibly down into the Directorate level within agencies. You now have someone to complain TO about how bad an agency is working. Which you don’t get now, as witness Sen. Coburn.
As for Palin: anyone who can give such blood pressure raising to the Left must be doing something right. At this rate those doing the sputtering and finger pointing at her will be the first to need major coronary work, and when they aren’t considered productive enough by the lovely government charts that put age, income and work type into the mix… well… it is what they asked for. You don’t need a ‘death panel’ when the entire system is set up to limit treatment. And she doesn’t have to offer an ‘alternative’ as 60 years of ‘reform’ has not ‘fixed’ the system, just made it more complex and expensive. When all the ‘reforms’ don’t work, maybe ‘reform’ isn’t the answer.
please don’t feed the trolls
..how many times do you need to try to have them open their eyes. they are closed and will remain that way. plus if they stop writting the cheque will not be sent.
they think they are clever and the other posters here do make short work of them and they still go on.
they really never answer any question …they insult and/or change the subject. they always bring in some failing of Bush or the republicans as if that makes their idiotic argument correct.
stop wasting electrons engaging them.
nothing good can come from responding to them.
Sarah Palin is right on in her statement about the death panel.
Freddie:
#144 jharp
“The woman is being denied coverage, not care. The care is still available, affordable or not, but once government is involved, the fear is that the care won’t even be available.”
The care is obviously not available to this poor woman’s husband you ignorant fool. That is specifically why she is asking for help.
“A “system that ships grandpa off to India” is still part of choice, a key word that you will sorely miss once your government gets hold of your health care.”
Wrong. It is quite clear that you can keep the insurance you have if you wish to do so.
“It’s getting tiresome to hear that “every other country in the world” uses single payer.”
Why is that? Because the truth hurts. Every other country uses some form of single payer/public plan and it works. For 1/2 the cost, for the same level of care, and covers everyone.
We unfortunately have a bunch of ignorant rednecks, led by the lies of those profiting immensely under our current system, who can’t seem to grasp that a for profit insurance industry makes more money when they refuse to cover unhealthy people and deny claims. And those same ignorant folks actually defend the very industry that has led us into this crises. And choose to protect the insurance industry from any meaningful competition.
“Every other country is also a mess as far as governance.”
More wingnut nonsense with nothing to substantiate it.
“I don’t profess to know what the best fix is for the so-called health care reform”
That is obvious. Do you think it might make a little sense to see what works in other countries? Or take a look at Medicare? I am sure you hear of all of our seniors clamoring to do away with Medicare.
“but I know for sure the answer does not lie with government. Their job is to regulate and get out of the way, not take over.”
No you don’t know that. A single payer or a public option is not taking over health care anymore than Medicare is a taking over.
Good God. You people are ignorant.
GOY
Way ahead of ya!
In ’62 I was my college YD president! Then 10/64 I heard “THE SPEECH” and realized there were conservatives in the GOP as well.
Did not convert then. Voted for the guy who promised a 12% flat tax in ’76 , cut Gumt in half with “0 based budgeting”. Jimma. Never again!
5. Conservative1: Imbecile trolls in 3…2…1….
Having Vivo chime in directly following and a mere three minutes later: priceless.
Why are all these trolls wee weeing on themselves about our darling Caribou Barbie, the Arctic Fox, the one and only Saracuda? Could it be because history will record this time not as the Age of Obama, but the Plague of Obama? Historic election, epic failure presidency. Looking forward to Madame President winking at us from the steps of the Capitol, January, 2013. Change we can believe in? You Betcha!
EVERYBODY! Immediately go to Whole Foods and BUY YOUR GROCERIES THERE. The libtards are now boycotting Whole Foods because someone dared to question the Obamessiah.
venividivici:
From one of jharp’s myriad posts, in reply to the question of why he is here:
Because I care about our country and our health care system is crippling our economy.
That is the biggest load of BS you’ve ever posted. If you actually believed that everyone here is as stupid as you claim we are, there is no way on Earth you’d bother coming here. You are a paid poster, plain and simple.
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Oh, I do believe most of you as as ignorant as I say. And that is exactly why I come here. There is no reason to try to educate the already educated. I’m trying to educate the ignorant.
“Who in their right mind would spend time in thread after thread posting mindless talking points in support of Obama and over the top rants about his intelligence and their stupidity to an audience that can’t understand them and is too small to matter in a democratic republic?”
Someone cares about our country and sees that our health care system is crippling our economy.
Get it?
Oh, and I am flattered that you think my posts are worthy of being paid for. Thank you. Even though I’m not being paid.
now and then –
“No more ironic than people believing O’Reilly or Hannity or Beck”
except the 3 you mention don’t have audiences cackling in the background. Your 3 stooges are liberal Satirists. it’s just a sad shame that you and your ilk use them as your #1 news source. Sad indeed. Grow up and put on your big boy pants and then get a life.
“I see you are still hard at work showing us how stupid you are. President Obama is far more ignorant then Sarah Palin. She at least knows how many states there are; who the Allies were in WWII and the difference between Memorial Day and Armistice Day.”
This is because as Rush today explained, Obama is culturally not an American. Someone who was esstenially raised in Indonesia might have trouble with American touchstones, such as throwing a baseball. And the fact that the US has 50 states is something that has to be actively memorized, a fact you might forget when tired because you didn’t grow up hearing that the US has 50 states all the time.
Common sense in a Democrat died with Scoop Jackson.
Alaskan Fisherman talks about Sarah Palin
If there was one irritant beyond all others prevalent among the weasels who either tried to tear Sarah Palin down, or else sit by idly while it happened (ahem, Senator McCain), it was the utter lack of focus on what she actually DID as governor. Some people in politics get in it to accomplish something, rather than to be able to claim to be something. Sarah was not content to say “I’m Governor Palin”; she achieved things as governor. Thanks to Dewie Whetsell (via Marion Valentine), here’s a précis of what she actually did:
The last 45 of my 66 years I’ve spent in a commercial fishing town in Alaska. I understand Alaska politics but never understood national politics well until this last year. Here’s the breaking point: Neither side of the Palin controversy gets it…It’s not about persona, style, rhetoric, it’s about doing things. Even Palin supporters never mention the things that I’m about to mention here.
1- Democrats forget when Palin was the Darling of the Democrats, because as soon as Palin took the Governor’s office away from a fellow Republican and tough SOB, Frank Murkowski, she tore into the Republican’s “Corrupt Bastards Club” (CBC) and sent them packing. Many of them are now residing in State housing and wearing orange jump suits. The Democrats reacted by skipping around the yard, throwing confetti and singing “la la la la” (well, you know how they are). Name another governor in this country that has ever done anything similar. But while you’re thinking, I’ll continue.
2- Now with the CBC gone, there were fewer Alaskan politicians to protect the huge, giant oil companies here. So, she constructed and enacted a new system of splitting the oil profits called “ACES”. Exxon (the biggest corporation in the world) protested and Sarah told them “don’t let the door hit you in the stern on your way out.” They stayed, and Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich. Of course the other huge international oil companies meekly fell in line. Again, give me the name of any other governor in the country that has done anything similar.
3- The other thing she did when she walked into the governor’s office is she got the list of State requests for federal funding for projects, known as “pork”. She went through the list, took 85% of them and placed them in the “when-hell-freezes-over” stack. She let locals know that if we need something built, we’ll pay for it ourselves. Maybe she figured she could use the money she got from selling the previous governor’s jet because it was extravagant. Maybe she could use the money she saved by dismissing the governor’s cook (remarking that she could cook for her own family), giving back the State vehicle issued to her, maintaining that she already had a car, and dismissing her State provided security force (never mentioning—I imagine—that she’s packing heat herself). I’m still waiting to hear the names of those other governors.
4- Now, even with her much-ridiculed “gosh and golly” mannerism, she also managed to put together a totally new approach to getting a natural gas pipeline built which will be the biggest private construction project in the history of North America. No one else could do it although they tried. If that doesn’t impress you, then you’re trying too hard to be unimpressed while watching her do things like this while baking up a batch of brownies with her other hand.
5- For 30 years, Exxon held a lease to do exploratory drilling at a place called Point Thompson. They made excuses the entire time why they couldn’t start drilling. In truth they were holding it like an investment. No governor for 30 years could make them get started. This summer, she told them she was revoking their lease and kicking them out. They protested and threatened court action. She shrugged and reminded them that she knew the way to the court house. Alaska won again.
6- President Obama wants the nation to be on 25% renewable resources for electricity by 2025. Sarah went to the legislature and submitted her plan for Alaska to be at 50% renewables by 2025. We are already at 25%. I can give you more specifics about things done, as opposed to style and persona . Everybody wants to be cool, sound cool, look cool. But that’s just a cover-up. I’m still waiting to hear from liberals the names of other governors who can match what mine has done in two and a half years. I won’t be holding my breath.
By the way, she was content to to return to AK after the national election and go to work, but the haters wouldn’t let her. Now these adolescent screechers are obviously not scuba divers. And no one ever told them what happens when you continually jab and pester a barracuda. Without warning, it will spin around and tear your face off. Shoulda known better.
Maybe had she been astro-turfing, I mean, organizing communities, she would be held in higher regard. Nah, only if she spewed left-wing bromides. http://palin-drone.blogspot.com/
Common sense among Democrats died with Scoop Jackson
billslayer:
“EVERYBODY! Immediately go to Whole Foods and BUY YOUR GROCERIES THERE.”
Have you ever been in a Whole Foods?
I guarantee that the ignorant white trash that calls themselves teabaggers would go into sticker shock seeing what good food costs.
It ain’t gonna happen.
Teabagger = Wal Mart shopper Ya tend to have to have some smarts to earn enough to shop at Whole Foods.
John Mackey will lose his job over this. And I have already contacted both my local store and let them know I am no longer a customer. And the coporate office as well.
JHARP IS A PATRIOT! He loves America. He is not a paid poster. He is a 400 lb shut in…who loves America. Oh and Barry still got his start servicing (in a TOTALLY platonic way) a slumlord.
#166 jharp
Well, silly me, I actually thought I was debating someone who at least could follow one; now I see you are actually a name-calling third grader.
Good luck with your civil liberties once you get what you think you want.
@5
“Imbecile trolls in 3…2…1….”
That’s hilarious, considering that one of the more vocal Obama wee wee drinkers (vivo) posted 3 minutes afterwards. Although attaching the “imbecile troll” label to vivo is insulting to mere imbeciles.
@59
“Also, whenever someone has to explain what a politician said … that’s a politician not doing their job.”
You mean like Obama? To be fair, though, I don’t think anybody expected him to do his job. He just campaigns and lets people like Moho drink the wee wee.
@94
“and bringing up the fact that your mother was a ho’;hence MOHO,”
Is that where he gets his handle from? I figured he was a St. Louis trannie, maybe even one of the racist SEIU thugs who revels in violence.
@109
“Because I care about our country”
ROFLMAO
A liberal like you caring about the country? That’s funny. All people like you know is hatred, you’d kick your aunt down the stairs if you could blame a conservative.
JHARP–Buddy! Actually growing a set enough to respond. So here goes, I’m switching from Central Market to Whole Foods. I actually like Whole Foods a little better but Central Market is a little closer, so I’ve been going to Central Market.
As far as teabaggin goes, the only teabag is the one on Sweet Little Barry’s chin–it belongs to his slumlord boss Tony Rezko.
Yep, I was right. Sarah Palin is DEFINITELY a burr under the ole liberal saddle. The liberals here are absolutely out of their minds at the mere mention of her name. (Note to jharp…take your blood pressure meds before you have a heart attack.)
Keep on keeping on Sarah! Obama already has the libs on their knees, now it’s time for you to kick ‘em right where it hurts! LOL!
Did anyone ever in their wildest dreams think Obama would go down in flames in such a short amount of time? Thank you patriots and thank you SARAH PALIN!
BTW… Whatever did happen to Katie Couric? Seems she’s run CBS into the ground or something and fallen off the face of the map.
Oh, I do believe most of you as as ignorant as I say. And that is exactly why I come here. There is no reason to try to educate the already educated. I’m trying to educate the ignorant.
Yeah, maybe if you’d ONLY said that everyone here is “ignorant”, this line of reasoning might hold water. Of course, you haven’t only said we are “ignorant”, you also have insisted that we are “stupid” as well. You can’t teach someone who is incapable of learning. This is why I don’t spend any time at places like Kos or HuffPo. I know evolution will take care of those fools.
Oh, and I am flattered that you think my posts are worthy of being paid for. Thank you. Even though I’m not being paid.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. And Obama and Co. are nothing if not desperate right now. You’re just a warm body with a script and a keyboard.
176
Agreed.
“We unfortunately have a bunch of ignorant rednecks”
Liberals are full of hate for anyone who won’t bow to their will…but they want us to be part of a national “health care” plan run by them!
No thanks.
I may be an ignorant redneck, but I’m not stupid enough to give people who see me as an ignorant redneck or as a brownshirt, as one liberal Dem pol put it, the power of life or death over me.
Not stupid enough to give them my money either.
I intend to do everything in my power to cripple the liberal attempts to force America into socialized medicine.
They despise me, and I don’t want people who despise me having ANY power over my life or my health care.
EVERYBODY IMMEDIATELY GO SHOP AT WHOLE FOODS.
Looks like the “ignorant rednecks” are about to retake the White House in 2012.
Thank you Obama for handing this one to us on a platter. Or should we thank Rahm?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-08-25/how-rahm-is-reviving-the-gop/?cid=hp:mainpromo3
Either one works for me. How about THANK YOU Obama AND Rahm. A true match made in heaven.
Should Sarah run? Too early to say. At this point Pee-Wee Herman would win against Obama and his administration. Buh-Bye liberals. See you in about 30 years or so.
My post #158 was written for jharp the childish troll.
jharp, when will you ever have an original idea and stop spouting the dumbocrat talking points?! You reveal yourself as an arrogant elitest with your Walmart/ Whole Food comments. . .When will you grow a pair and become a real Father to your teen-aged kids instead of a liberal sissyboy?
6:
Bill Maher is just another Liberal Elite from an Ivy League University who thinks he is smarter than everyone else.
The fact that you had to quote him rather than write your own comment proves that you are just as ignorant as the rest of the Libs. Everyone thinks that Maher is sush a funny guy. If I had a staff of 6 writers working for me 5 days a week I could be funny too.
I am amazed that people can’t understand what Palin meant by “death panels.” Are her critics really that dense? Have any of these people actually READ HR 3200? I’m beginning to think that liberals are genuinely stupid. I, for one, will not forgive or forget the 53% who voted for this horrible man. I am stunned that they still support him; this convinces me utterly that public education is a massive failure if it is churning out people who are so ignorant of history that they cannot grasp what socialism inevitably leads to in its highest form – communism.
Pray for our country.
At this rate those doing the sputtering and finger pointing at (Palin) will be the first to need major coronary work, and when they aren’t considered productive enough by the lovely government charts that put age, income and work type into the mix… well… it is what they asked for.
You mean, Ezekiel Emanuel’s notion of QALY (quality-adjusted-life-years) and his elaborate “complete lives system” might leave jharp out in the cold ?
Hey, an upside to the government plan
Excellent analysis, Scott. Thank you!
As the public trust in the media and pundits continues to plummet, they haven’t got a clue as to why. Not only are they closing in on used car salesmen at the bottom of the trustworthy list, but they are losing readers/viewers/listeners in droves and their media organizations are going bankrupt.
You’d think that might be a wake up call edging them toward a little humility and looking at the reason for their failings. But, no.
Those who won’t learn from their mistakes are doomed to greater and greater failure–not to mention increasing pain. Poor Howard Kurtz.
AThinkingPerson:
“Looks like the “ignorant rednecks” are about to retake the White House in 2012.”
About to? It’s August of 2009 you birdbrain.
Take another toke off the bong.
Sandy #175, thanks for the update or the scoop on Sarahcuda. I tried to read the Alaska Daily News for a while, but that is a terrible newspaper. It’s reassuring to hear how Sarah ran the state of Alaska. Hopefully, she will one day run the US with the same dynamic energy and integrity that she ran Alaska. Can you imagine a leader and a statesman actually doing things that benefit the working people and the country rather than special interest groups and the perpetual welfare classes. How nice it would be, to be rid of this Marxist Agenda, our International Apologist and Muslim Sympathizer; to have someone who believed in the Constitution and the Free Market System, who didn’t fawn over despots and dictators, while trashing our only ally in the Middle East.
I spent over half my life in Northern Canada and found your post refreshing and nostalgic. Please write some more for an old time moose hunter and fur trapper.
177.douCHEbag:”Teabagger = Wal Mart shopper Ya tend to have to have some smarts to earn enough to shop at Whole Foods.”
you ARE a contemptable little loser.
i still hope you never lose your buisness and your home while trying to feed a wife and four kids.you might have to lower yourself(gasp!)and shop at walmart-ugh!scoffing rabble! or heaven forbid,not even have enough money for food.
things are so bad right now that unless you are wealthy you must know people who are hurting.unless of course,you have no friends…which would not surprise me in the least.
i doubt you even have a family,a father would have some sense of humanity.
keep spewing your hate,hollowman.
Ever notice how many responses there are to any blog with anything to do with Sarah? You think these polls showing Sarah to be out-of-touch and unpopular are in any way true? Even the Republicans lie about her.
POOR JHARP! When he was a little kid he was given wedgies and stuffed in lockers and every time he got a crush on one of the pretty girls, she ended up in my back seat. He never made a play on the football field, he never caught any air on a skateboard, can’t play guitar. He was chubby and palid as child but then got really fat in his twenties. He has not seen his junk in ten years. And then he sees me driving down the street with yet another woman he could never touch. It sucks to be JHARP!
“Looks like the “ignorant rednecks” are about to retake the White House in 2012.”
Well, Bush did enough damage when he was pretending to an “ignorant redneck” in order to satisfy the antagonism towards intellect that his followers possessed. I can’t wait to see what a real ignorant redneck, leading real ignorant rednecks does.
‘jharp, when will you ever have an original idea and stop spouting the dumbocrat talking points?! You reveal yourself as an arrogant elitest with your Walmart/ Whole Food comments. . .When will you grow a pair and become a real Father to your teen-aged kids instead of a liberal sissyboy?’
I think you have that backwards. He rather appears to be a teenager that was raised by a sissy-boy father. The fallout is the conflicted identity and the resultant fascination with teabagging. Unfortunate, as getting into practices considered indicative of embracing the riskier aspects of that lifestyle at such a young age raises the probability of serious health complications and bodes poorly for his longevity. And that would, of course, be true under our current health care system or the socialized health care system he advocates.
OMG!!! leave jharp, MoHo etc ALONE!!..they are out spreading troll poop all over PJM and you are stepping in it with your retaliatory remarks to their intellectually limited posts!! they’re allover PJM with the same rhetoric…blahblahblah
It’s funny to see how the press that “hates” Palin, can’t get enough of her.. She makes an appearnace and we hear all about it. Although, you do have to listen to her remarks or read the transcript as the media distorts and picks out parts.
What’s scarey is that the media in all forms..will help Obama get relected, no matter what he is up to. We’re in such trouble folks. It’s about time for Obama to man up and quit blaming everyone else. You guys know all the facts and figures, I don’t have to repeat them. You know where this man is leading us. I truly believe he is a man that hates America, in general.
Some of his cabinet appointees should NOT NOT NOT have been able to pass FBI vetting, so how did it happen???
GO PALIN!!!! We will consider any candidate that she backs.
EVERYBODY IMMEDIATELY GO SHOP AT WHOLE FOODS
The Whole Foods CEO, John Mackey, offered up some ideas for alternatives to the government boondoggle.
Dimwits will now argue for boycotting Whole Foods, their kind of response to any intelligent thought that doesn’t fit the simplistic, knee jerk paradigm.
The Whole Foods Alternative to ObamaCare
#12 The reason you see no GOP alternatives is that the GOP were locked out of the committees. It is just as well that they were as far as I am concerned. Let the fullness of the oppressive minds of the Dems be writ large in their own works and words.
84. adam:
I have a new question…Who, precisely, is writing all these bills?
Answer — lobbyists actually provide “suggestions” to staffers. Staffers write it. Copy/paste shuffle some text.
I’m not kidding. Insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies will do VERY well (at least in the short term) under these bills. Example: simply by making it a legal requirement to have health insurance, how many new customers will the the insurance companies sign up? A lot. And they know it. Both industries are heavily donating Donkey.
Palin healthcare would probably look like Alaska’s.
Drill Here and Now profits could be used for what? Healthcare just as it does in where? Alaska.
That would be too simple wouldn’t it?
The US would keep the profits and the tax.
But no the Dems want to raise the tax on the resources to make there green energy appear to be cheaper and spend the tax on something else besides healthcare lol.
@ Vivo #6: “The Reps have picked Palin to lead the charge to demolish any kind of health plan and let the people continue to suffer bound and chained.”
The ones that want me to suffer bound and chained to less control and fewer choices are the Democrats.
@ Anonymous # 12: “I’m waiting for Palin to present here[sic] alternative health care reform plan.”
Staying with what we have–standing there–is a better plan than just doing something.
In the end there was only one real issue here. The question for most Americans was whether you believed that you would be able to keep your own insurance; if you are convinced that the public option is really a Trojan Horse sneaking in single payer, you can no longer believe that. And once a majority of Americans no longer believe that, it’s all over–there’s nothing more worth talking about, is there? And Palin seems to have helped get us there, and will probably help keep us there, if necessary–and what else matters?
The only way to save money over today’s expenditures on end-of-life care is for there to be less treatment at the end of life than is possible–therefore the end-of-life will come faster by sins of omission and there will be death panels.
This is the truth Palin spoke uniquely well, and why she whipped the Dems’ butt on the topic.
She didn’t quit, she’s advancing in another direction.
It’s funny to see how the press that “hates” Palin, can’t get enough of her.. She makes an appearnace and we hear all about it. Although, you do have to listen to her remarks or read the transcript as the media distorts and picks out parts.
What’s funny is that this is the first time in weeks that I’ve seen Palin’s name anywhere. She’s on her way down through the tubes of the beast. It takes a while to get through the sphincter.
“203. SunSword:
84. adam:
I have a new question…Who, precisely, is writing all these bills?
Answer — lobbyists actually provide “suggestions” to staffers. Staffers write it. Copy/paste shuffle some text.
I’m not kidding. Insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies will do VERY well (at least in the short term) under these bills. Example: simply by making it a legal requirement to have health insurance, how many new customers will the the insurance companies sign up? A lot. And they know it. Both industries are heavily donating Donkey.”
Well, to the extent that this is true, it would be very interesting to have this information out there as well. But the problem I am pointing to is that it is impossible to construct a coherent bill this way. The cut and paste method of letting lobbyists write their own portions might work for some things, like budgets, but it can’t work if you’re trying to create a system, where all the parts need to work together. And that’s what’s happening now–very ambitious leftists are trying to create a socialist system like a Rube Goldberg device. Again, I’m not asking this question for my own edification–I am pointing to possible strategies–I think large numbers of people could be moved towards the proper contempt for these politicians through a prolonged exposure to how the sausage is getting made. People are paying attention–the conditions are right. Let’s not jst play ping pong, batting our interpretations of this or another portion of the bill back and forth–let’s see if we can dismantle the whole thing and discredit the whole process, once and for all.
COUPPPP……
I suggest a game to see how many times jharp writes the words “teabagger, redneck, white trash, and idiot”. Anyone else want to play along?
I guess when liberals start getting really, really peeved they lose all of their literary skills? Did they ever have any to begin with? Ah, the chicken and the egg dilemma.
I’ll start off the tirade…
Sarah Palin rocks!
Okay jharp….start foaming at the mouth! (How fun is this going to be??)
110. billslayer:
“. . . imagine your Messiah, running, sprinting, to jump into bed and get butt up with an oily pervert slumlord! ENJOY”
OK, beyond the supposed “guidelines” recently attached to this site, Layer of Bill seems to suffer the same predisposition toward scatological perversion so common among conservatives here at PJM. Not sure how that advances anything. I think it’s derivative of Rush and his relentless reference to bending over and grabbing his ankles. I find it curious in an obvious kind of way. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, Layer of Bill. We all have hidden agendas. Some are political. Some are financial. Some are emotional. And some are, well, the other -al. One day I’m sure you’ll . . . . how shall I say this . . . . come to grips . . . with your secret fascinations. Until then, keep masking them in political accusation. We’ll know what you mean.
REPUBLICAN OR CONSERVATIVE,
THE ONE THING FOR SURE,
SARAH PALIN ABOVE ALL STANDS FOR COMMON-SENSE AND HONESTY
SOMETHING WE NEED DESPERATELY, SOMETHING THAT IS MISSING IN THE DRIVE-BY MEDIA AND WASHINGTON
The emergence of the word “teabagger” is fascinating–it is obscene, it is infantile, and Leftists love it like 6 year olds love fart jokes. And all the while they hold it over conservatives as a sign of their superior intelligence. As long as they giggle amongst themselves about it on MSNBC and on blogs like this, they can have the frisson of the inside joke the rubes can’t get. Sooner or later they will slip, though–some prominent politician, who knows, maybe Obama himself, will use it in a press conference, and then we will have the wonderful spectacle of watching the President of the United States explain why he is using a reference to obscure homosexual practices to stigmatize his political opponents. I’ve been arguing for having it banned from sites like this, but if I and others who agree with me fail, seeing some Democratic leader show American how the Leftists speak amongst themselves might be compensation enough.
76. Retep:
“You do realize that Obama still has not been interviewed by Shawn Hannity”
Actually, Obama has agreed to be interviewed by Shawn (sic) Hannity the day after Hannity follows through with his promise to be waterboarded for charity. We’ll wait for that one together.
AThinkingPerson:
“Sarah Palin rocks!”
Go for it. Please. By all means do it. And there even is a site conservatives4palin.com where you can put your money where your mouth is.
Maybe you can resurrect Joe The Plumber for the other half of the ticket.
I’ll anxiously await the Obama/Palin debates.
“Did anyone ever in their wildest dreams think Obama would go down in flames in such a short amount of time? Thank you patriots and thank you SARAH PALIN!
BTW… Whatever did happen to Katie Couric? Seems she’s run CBS into the ground or something and fallen off the face of the map.”
Katie who? They thought they could Quayle Sarah but she was too strong for them. They though they could pin her down in Alaska, but she changed the game on them.
In a one-on-one matchup, she scored on Obama twice in one week and got him to remove the “non-existent” death panels (oh they’re commissions, sorry) by simply making a Facebook post.
That “Liberty is our natural state” is a matter of opinion. Throughout history, everywhere in world, centralized authoritarians have done their best to oppose such a premise.
What is certain, our historic first Islamic apostate president holds to be axiomatic that society, at least in the West, is ruled by the paradigm of master and slaves. Change in his mind means he is the new master and we are his slaves.
I guess in not a lib, cause I love Sara Palin, she speaks in words that are understandable and don’t leave you confused. I respect her love of life, its not easy to have a child with special needs. Since the election I have been told by numbers of Democrats, that I can’t be a Dem because I don’t support abortion. When did that rule come into effect? I missed that memo!! Both Parties suck right now. Congress is full of Rinos and Dinos. Everyone needs to research before elections, it has to be Country before Party so we can come out of this in one piece. We need checks and balances.
Howard Kurtz likes to claim that he is above the media fray, being an objective critic, but this commentary shows his true colors and who do we have to thank for this exposure? Well, yes, Sarah Palin; God Bless her. I just contributed to her PAC via her Facebook page. She is hitting the target repeatedly; Evidently, she’s on the hunt. And you know about her hunting skills…
What’s funny is that this is the first time in weeks that I’ve seen Palin’s name anywhere. She’s on her way down through the tubes of the beast. It takes a while to get through the sphincter.
Gee, Mo-Ho, less than 2 weeks ago, you were all over
This Sarah Palin discussion
Does everyone on your side of the fence lie with such alacrity ? I know Obama will say anything in the moment to score whatever point he thinks the moment needs.
Come on Adam, be honest and quit the cry-baby thing. That’s the first thing you have to learn, its really turning people off. The victim-thing, real turn off. Look, the word teabagging only offends you because of the attitude your movement has towards gay men. You can call me a libtard all you want, or a socialist, or a terrorist, or un-american. I know who and what I am, those insults simply don’t register. The fact that “teabagger” continues to score so many points says a lot about you people, some of which, you already know about in your heart of hearts.
@216
“Actually, Obama has agreed to be interviewed by Shawn (sic) Hannity the day after Hannity follows through with his promise to be waterboarded for charity.”
Didn’t hear that. Link?
Dear Mr. Scott… well done.. bravo.. I hope your article gets disseminated throughout the blogosphere.. bravo..
Hey Kurtz!!
I can see Socialism from my house!
what a bunch of media toadies
jharp? You CAN actually comment without name calling. Why not make this a habit and not a one-time-only, fluke sort of thing. Maybe people would actually read your comments for their content and not for the next flurry of hate speech? That would be a plus right jharp?
I know it’s out of character for liberals on this website to actually write without the venom, but as you’ve just shown, it can be done.
Would you mind passing on this eureka moment with your liberal pals Moho and the rest?
Sarah Palin thanks you for your new found civility and decorum. That’s the way she’s always carries herself and look how far she’s come in the face of adversity. A lesson for us all right jharp?
I have a new question…Who, precisely, is writing all these bills?
It’s a good question and there is an emerging thesis that an old Weather Underground crony of Billy Ayers, a guy named Van Jones, may have had substantial input into writing the Porkulus.
Now, if you have any thought that these measures (Porkulus, Healthcare…et al.) being undertaken in a wild rush, “has to be done yesterday” (never let a good crisis go to waste, Ezekiel’s brother Rahm Emanuel) may actually be intended to destroy capitalism as we know it…well, a very old revolutionary plan starts to come together.
Conspiracy Theories R Us (maybe not though)
Boys in the Basement: Part V.
When last we visited mom’s place, the assembled trolls were under assault by a giant redneck who had somehow penetrated their basement sanctuary. We return to the action . . .
“Isht mishta Paulish,” screamed jharp still trying to extract cheeze-wiz from his nose, mouth, ears and other body cavities best left to the imagination of the reader. But the invader was faster than words. ~Paules grabbed a throw pillow, ripped it in half, and delivered a vicious one-two. Jharp was suddenly transformed into a half-plucked chicken, six feet tall, and all of ninety pounds (including the dirt). His last words sounded something like “dish reary shucks” before he collapsed into a heap of empty pizza boxes and other debris.
Vivo attempted a rally. “Rayshist, bigod, homophome,” he intoned from the Obama spell book. ~Paules took another step down the stairs. It was at that exact moment that the blotter kicked in and vivo’s pupils began to dance like nervous umbrellas. “Booosh! Bludferowl! Say-rah Pay-limb! he announced before bolting from the room.
Only Moho stood between the monster and certain death for them all. “What do you want foul creature from the vast right-wing conspiracy?”
“Actually, I just wanted to give you a copy of the Good Book,” said ~Paules.
Moho burst into flames and was consumed in a fit of spontaneous combustion.
Stay tune . . .
229. ~Paules:
Now you dunnit. A flaming moho. He’s out of the closet now.
SoCalDem:
“I guess in not a lib, cause I love Sara Palin, she speaks in words that are understandable and don’t leave you confused.”
You are confused. Not being able to understand someone who uses words that confuse you is a sign of your ignorance.
It is no reason to love or not love anyone.
SARAH PALIN ROCKS
BC: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Tick Tock! Sorry bud, but it’s already out there, you’ve got to come up with something other than my argument. And you can’t… It sucks to be in your position and you have my sympathy, but I’m now going to have to lump you in with JHARP: You guys are the guys whose girlfriends cheated on them with guys like me.
“223. Moho:
Come on Adam, be honest and quit the cry-baby thing. That’s the first thing you have to learn, its really turning people off. The victim-thing, real turn off. Look, the word teabagging only offends you because of the attitude your movement has towards gay men. You can call me a libtard all you want, or a socialist, or a terrorist, or un-american. I know who and what I am, those insults simply don’t register. The fact that “teabagger” continues to score so many points says a lot about you people, some of which, you already know about in your heart of hearts.
Aug 25, 2009 – 6:33 pm”
I’m familiar with this convoluted argument–since conservatives supposedly hate gay men, calling them by an obscure sexual practice engaged in by gay men (which also happens to include the word “tea,” like “tea parties” does–get it?) will “score points”–why, exactly? Because it tells us what we already know about ourselves (and desperately want to conceal from ourselves)? Because it tells others what they presumably already know about us? I suppose the point is to get an irrational response–how dare you call me that, etc., which you can then cleverly follow with “but what’s wrong with…” But it doesn’t work that way. You seem to think it’s kind of like calling a racist a “ni**er lover”–the racist would then predictably say “Why, I don’t love them, I hate them,” and then you could say “aha!” or something along those lines (although even here, who, exactly, is being exposed?). But this is different, because you’re not taunting those you consider homophobes by calling them “gay,” or something that they would feel compelled to repudiate; you’re referring to an obscure sexual practice that doesn’t really function as a metonymy for homosexuals. So, it’s as meaningless as Michael Moore’s unspeakably stupid title, “Farenheit 9/11,” which means nothing–just grafting part of the title of Bradbury’s book onto “9/11″ which, needless to say, isn’t a temperature. So, no points are “scored” here.
I come back to my usual points here: 1) would you feel comfortable explaining this term if it came up in a discussion of politics with your child (again, I ask this question of normal people, not Leftists); 2) what would be the effect of Obama saying it? If you can’t say, yes, we should be comfortable using the term with our children and, I hope Obama introduces the term at his next press conference, you know you’ve got nothing here. I’d still like to resist the encroachment of pornography upon normal political discussion, though.
Send Sarah Palin ALL your money, thats ALL she wants.
Correction Van Jones is Obama’s (formerly avowed communist) green jobs Czar.
It’s Jeff Jones who is the Underground guy who is affiliated with the Apollo Alliance which (reportedly acknowledged by Harry Reid) had a lot to do with writing the Stimulus bill.
Video is here, third item down
So, you know, it’s a good question, what is going on in Washington DC ?
Thank you ~Paules for Part V.
Thank you Scott for a provocative article.
Buenas noches.
229 ..good posts..thanks for the levity!! truth?..okay, truth and levity..
“jharp:
Kathy:
“There are no “death panels” mentioned”
Correct. And the counseling session is VOLUNTARY.
Plain is a liar of the worst kind. Lying to scare the daylights out of the elderly.
And Palin, the fraud, claims to be a Christian. Let’s hear it Christians, is this Christian behaviour?”
jharp – you miserable excuse for a cretin. If you ever, ever use “teabagger” around here again I’m going to come right through these intertubes and shove your left elbow in your right ear. Now go wash your mouth out with lye soap.
“jharp:
Kathy:
“There are no “death panels” mentioned”
Correct. And the counseling session is VOLUNTARY.
Plain is a liar of the worst kind. Lying to scare the daylights out of the elderly.
And Palin, the fraud, claims to be a Christian. Let’s hear it Christians, is this Christian behaviour?”
It may or not be Christian but sending an ill person a letter denying them treatment for a fatal illness while offering VOLUNTARY(?) End of Life Counseling and Assisted Suicide is certainly Secular Humanist, Progressive Liberal and Fascist
Glenn Beck had a piece on who actually wrote the health care bill. It is posted on his web site.
228..
Palin is honest. That is a quality Obama and his cronies lack.
$228….Who is writing the bills for Obama”
Glen Back has done an extensive analsis into who is writing the bills for Obama. It’s too much to copy and put here..the people Obama is handing our future over to is frightening to say the least..of course we did it first with him… refer to his show monday, Aug 25.
Van Jones is an admitted “communist”..yet he made it past FBI scrutiny, or did he? Czar Jones…
229. You blew it ~Paules: u killed the story.
82. Conservative1:
“I got lucky with #5 and #6.
LOL
Thanks vivo.”
What are you doing here? You should be in Vegas!
30. Thomas_L……:
“EVERYONE else and all who disagree with you are NOT stupid nor are they suffering “bound and chained”.”
Of course, not everyone is stupid, but there are plenty out there, listen to Bill Maher:
“And before I go about demonstrating how, sadly, easy it is to prove the dumbness dragging down our country, let me just say that ignorance has life and death consequences. On the eve of the Iraq War, 69% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. Four years later, 34% still did.
. . . At a recent town-hall meeting in South Carolina, a man stood up and told his Congressman to “keep your government hands off my Medicare,” which is kind of like driving cross country to protest highways.
I’m the bad guy for saying it’s a stupid country, yet polls show that a majority of Americans cannot name a single branch of government, or explain what the Bill of Rights is.
24% could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War.
More than two-thirds of Americans don’t know what’s in Roe v. Wade.
Two-thirds don’t know what the Food and Drug Administration does. Some of this stuff you should be able to pick up simply by being alive. You know, like the way the Slumdog kid knew about cricket.
Not here. Nearly half of Americans don’t know that states have two senators and more than half can’t name their congressman. And among Republican governors, only 30% got their wife’s name right on the first try.
Sarah Palin says she would never apologize for America. Even though a Gallup poll says 18% of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth. No, they’re not stupid. They’re interplanetary mavericks.
A third of Republicans believe Obama is not a citizen, and a third of Democrats believe that George Bush had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, which is an absurd sentence because it contains the words “Bush” and “knowledge.”
People bitch and moan about taxes and spending, but they have no idea what their government spends money on. The average voter thinks foreign aid consumes 24% of our federal budget. It’s actually less than 1%.
And don’t even ask about cabinet members: seven in ten think Napolitano is a kind of three-flavored ice cream.
And last election, a full one-third of voters forgot why they were in the booth, handed out their pants, and asked, “Do you have these in a relaxed-fit?”
And I haven’t even brought up America’s religious beliefs. But here’s one fun fact you can take away: did you know only about half of Americans are aware that Judaism is an older religion than Christianity? That’s right, half of America looks at books called the Old Testament and the New Testament and cannot figure out which one came first.
And these are the idiots we want to weigh in on the minutia of health care policy? Please, this country is like a college chick after two Long Island Iced Teas: we can be talked into anything, like wars, and we can be talked out of anything, like health care.
We should forget town halls, and replace them with study halls. There’s a lot of populist anger directed towards Washington, but you know who concerned citizens should be most angry at? Their fellow citizens. “Inside the beltway” thinking may be wrong, but at least it’s thinking, which is more than you can say for what’s going on outside the beltway.
And if you want to call me an elitist for this, I say thank you. Yes, I want decisions made by an elite group of people who know what they’re talking about. That means Obama budget director Peter Orszag, not Sarah Palin.”
What were u saying Thomas?
234:
‘I’m familiar with this convoluted argument–since conservatives supposedly hate gay men, calling them by an obscure sexual practice engaged in by gay men (which also happens to include the word “tea,” like “tea parties” does–get it?) will “score points”–why, exactly? Because it tells us what we already know about ourselves (and desperately want to conceal from ourselves)?’
The wee weed up moho and jharp types do not primarily use it to refer to conservatives. They might use it now and again directly against another poster here, but they originally used it to refer to people, including grandmothers, mothers, and daughters who were attending Tea Partys. And that was and is a cross section of all political persuasions, not just conservatives. It’s been expanded to include the same people, same political cross section, who are attending the Town Hall meetings.
This moho dirtbag is lying both about why he uses it, and who he intends to stigmatize.
I do think you make a good point though. As long as the left insists on using the term, it’s inevitable that someone high up in the administration will let it slip. It will be interesting to hear Obama’s rationale for implying that those archetypical grandmothers, mothers, and daughters enjoy the practice of dangling a stranger’s nuts in their mouths.
jharp, you’re a victim of Obama’s bait and switch, and you completely lack any foresight. Fact is, the advance directive but is not where the death panels are. The death panels concern rationing medical care, which will be a requirement of this peace of legislation. Even if it is not explicitly mentioned, even if it is not included at all at first, I guarantee you that there will be death panels within ten years if this hellspawn legislation passes. This isn’t even a slippery slope argument, but rather an absolute requirement of the legislation. It will happen if we do not stop this disaster now.
Sarah Palin is no liar. She just has the foresight to see what you refuse to, and I know why- it’s because you and your fellow liberals are all adolescents who can’t see past next year at most. Palin isn’t worried about next year; she’s worried about ten and twenty years from now.
238. BTW, this is absolutely Christian behavior: “Sound the trumpet and warn My People!” When evil is brewing and seducing the masses, you don’t assuage yourself to sleep with the fact that the danger is several years away- you shout it from the rooftops that the path they are being led down results in death.
233. billslayer:
“You guys are the guys whose girlfriends cheated on them with guys like me.”
That line is straight out of Thank You for Smoking, a direct quote. You can’t even make up your own fantasies. It’s called trying “a little TOO hard” . . . know what I’m sayin’ . . . But one day, Layer of Bill, you’ll kiss a girl and then you’ll know for sure which choice you should make in life. Call it a public option.
I was a McCain supporter until the day he chose his running mate. This stance has not changed for me. Palin is not the voice of “American common sense”. She never has been, she is the voice of people afraid of change. I’m not saying their fear is misfounded, I don’t want the government running healthcare any more than you do. I have not heard her, or frankly any other Republican who had the White House for the last 8 years offer anything constructive instead. All I hear are attacks on Obama personally, and on his policies. Republicans were quick to take personal liberties away from private citizens in the name of “terror defence”. No common sense outcry there.
The one phrase that has always stuck with me throughout this debate is this: “The worst thing we can do is nothing.” our healthcare system is flawed. Period. We need to fix it, it will not only allow more access, but keep costs down. Healthcare has never been a “free market” in the economic definition, if it was we wouldn’t pay nearly as much, and be defrauded nearly as much (thanks to companies like yours “CPR” founder and voice.
If you are going to tell me how great this lady is, and how bad our current CinC is, tell me what you would do instead. Tell me how you would handle it, please?
“There are no “death panels” mentioned”
Doesn’t matter what they would call them when they must exist to save costs as Obama describes.
“And the counseling session is VOLUNTARY.”
Yeah, right. Voluntary like when the Congress predicates money to states on the condition the states pass laws the feds want. It’s government putting it’s thumb on the scales, therefore it is coerced in some measure.
@ rblrdr #235
“Send Sarah Palin ALL your money, thats ALL she wants.”
By all evidence she’ll do more good with it than the RNC…
#84 Glen Beck did a piece on this today seems it’s the same guys who gave us the weather underground Ayers partner from the old days and more of his ilk. Sorry I don’t remember his name.
anonymous of course death panels are not mentioned as part of the bill, the leftists are a little smarter than to come right out and spell it out. I myself have been reading the House version and my uneducated self can see enough to know that my disabled self would quickly be sacrificed so a younger more productive (tax paying) person would be able to receive their ration. Calling it like you read it is not lying
229. ~Paules:
u just killed the story.
82. Conservative1:
“I got lucky with #5 and #6.
LOL
Thanks vivo.”
What r u doing here? U should b in Vegas!
30. Thomas_L……:
“EVERYONE else and all who disagree with you are NOT stupid . . .”
Of course, not all are, but there’s a few around.
Listen to Bill Maher:
“And before I go about demonstrating how, sadly, easy it is to prove the dumbness dragging down our country, let me just say that ignorance has life and death consequences. On the eve of the Iraq War, 69% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. Four years later, 34% still did.
Or take the health care debate we’re presently having: . . . At a recent town-hall meeting in South Carolina, a man stood up and told his Congressman to “keep your government hands off my Medicare,” which is kind of like driving cross country to protest highways.
I’m the bad guy for saying it’s a stupid country, yet polls show that a majority of Americans cannot name a single branch of government, or explain what the Bill of Rights is.
24% could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War.
More than two-thirds of Americans don’t know what’s in Roe v. Wade.
Two-thirds don’t know what the Food and Drug Administration does. Some of this stuff you should be able to pick up simply by being alive. You know, like the way the Slumdog kid knew about cricket.
Not here. Nearly half of Americans don’t know that states have two senators and more than half can’t name their congressman. And among Republican governors, only 30% got their wife’s name right on the first try.
Sarah Palin says she would never apologize for America. Even though a Gallup poll says 18% of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth. No, they’re not stupid. They’re interplanetary mavericks.
A third of Republicans believe Obama is not a citizen, and a third of Democrats believe that George Bush had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, which is an absurd sentence because it contains the words “Bush” and “knowledge.”
People bitch and moan about taxes and spending, but they have no idea what their government spends money on. The average voter thinks foreign aid consumes 24% of our federal budget. It’s actually less than 1%.
And don’t even ask about cabinet members: seven in ten think Napolitano is a kind of three-flavored ice cream.
And last election, a full one-third of voters forgot why they were in the booth, handed out their pants, and asked, “Do you have these in a relaxed-fit?”
And I haven’t even brought up America’s religious beliefs. But here’s one fun fact you can take away: did you know only about half of Americans are aware that Judaism is an older religion than Christianity? That’s right, half of America looks at books called the Old Testament and the New Testament and cannot figure out which one came first.
And these are the idiots we want to weigh in on the minutia of health care policy? Please, this country is like a college chick after two Long Island Iced Teas: we can be talked into anything, like wars, and we can be talked out of anything, like health care.
We should forget town halls, and replace them with study halls. There’s a lot of populist anger directed towards Washington, but you know who concerned citizens should be most angry at? Their fellow citizens. “Inside the beltway” thinking may be wrong, but at least it’s thinking, which is more than you can say for what’s going on outside the beltway.
And if you want to call me an elitist for this, I say thank you. Yes, I want decisions made by an elite group of people who know what they’re talking about. That means Obama budget director Peter Orszag, not Sarah Palin. “
#248 Mac – Okay, Mac. First, McCain chose Palin as his ONLY chance to win. She drew in $10M overnight, and energized the base. She made a great coming out speech. Her speech at the convention was out of sight according to pollster and word-doctor Frank Luntz. One of the great speeches in recent times. She drew massive crowds far in excess of McCain’s. He started travelling with her to get access to such crowds… and because she was embarrassing him by outshining him.
Despite her flubs in those first two interviews, she still almost carried him to victory, until his comments about the fundamentals of the economy being strong. He lost the election, not her.
So, what’s not to like about her? Why give up on McCain because of her, when he was just desperately trying to win at a time when his fundraising was anemic?
As for answers, we have had many articles here covering the problems of healthcare. We are well-versed. Corrections have been proffered. Come around more often, and see.
Flaming Moho! Hilarious!
As usual, just utter the name ‘Palin’ and the libtards have epileptic seizures as they rush to demonize her.
143. Marc Malone wrote:
What most don’t know is that all her subsequent interviews went well enough, and she did many. In fact, the other candidates did very few. Biden did none, so far as I know.
Peter writes: Actually, he did one that I knowof, the interview on the campaign bus where he wold everyone it is patriotic to pay higher taxes. It was shortly after this interview that the Obama Campaign gagged him for their own good.
There is no way to do this for this many people without care rationing. No way in hell. The people against the program know it.
If this was just about providing health care for “47 million people’ that coudl be done by absorbing them into Medicare and then adjusting the program accordingly. But NO, they want ALL of us in on it. One big HMO of epic proportions…
Except them, of course. They actually have the big bucks and are exempt. They won’t ever have to face rationed care themselves.
Bill Maher can blow me. Let him be the first to sign up and then tell me what he thinks. Stipulate that he cannot pay for extra services, he has to get what he gets…
Then he can get back to me about how stupid I am. I’m not so stupid as to say ‘here is a stick I bought for you, now hit me with it’.
Palin knows what’s coming if this passes, and so do a lot of the rest of us.
MOHO: ButI do care about you. Just take that finger out of your nose. I truly admire your intellect.
I am still trying to get beyond the fact that Howard Kurtz thinks it a journalist’s job to refute anything!
vivo 18% of Americans believe the sun revolves around the earth. They believe what the Bible says. Up until last year I had never thought about it. I believed the scientists. My sister flew to China to help her son adopt. Funny thing happened, the trip over only took half as long as the trip back; I am being facetious;the point is the trips took just about to the minute the same amount of time. Now I’ve admitted I’m not very educated but reasoning tells me that if the earth were spinning, as we have been told all our lives, one way would be shorter in time than the other with the earth rotating under the plane, but it does not happen that way. A plane flying slower than the rotation would actually lose ground so to speak when flying with the direction of rotation this does not happen either. Been thinking much on this and I have decided just cause some scientist says things are so and everyone agrees it does not prove the Bible wrong.
Sarah Palin sent a wake up call to Americans when she warned us about “death panels.” I’ll repeat what I said in an earlier comment. As a state senator in Illinois, Barack Obama voted on a least two occasions to deny medical treatment to babies who survive after a failed abortion procedure. I suppose leftists would describe such a denial of medical treatment to a baby out of the womb as “family planning” or “reproductive medical assistance”. To me, two words come to mind when a baby is left to die on a gurney: “infanticide” and “murder”. The man who occupies the White House has already participated in a death panel.
Liberal males hate Sarah Palin because she reminds them of their women. You know the type; the women who bitch-slap their men to keep them in line. Metro males, I believe they are called.
161. Freddie wrote:
It’s getting tiresome to hear that “every other country in the world” uses single payer. Every other country is also a mess as far as governance.
Peter writes: Another tiresome point is how these fact-less trolls keep claiming other countries have better care with their single-payer systems, but aren’t willing to put their bodies where their mouth is.
If they think these other systems are so great, I say let them move to another country that has their utopian vision of health care already in place and USE IT for a year or more. You talk big, let’s see you go actually back up your words with actions.
If any of them ever did (moho, vivo, bc, jharp, etc…) they would be begging, BEGGING to come back to US medical care in weeks!
“Wadda you mean I can’t see a dentist? My tooth hurts now!” “Wadda you mean I have to wait for tests? My appendix is going to burst tomorrow!” “Wadda you mean I have to wait six months for an MRI? This tumor could kill me in four!”
#248 Like Marc Malone and BubbleHead said< it was McCain who stumbled. Sarah just finnally woke up the sleeping party.
By that, I mean she woke up the true base of the party. Not the religous nuts and not the elites you would like to think the Republican party stands for. I am talking about the working man Republican. The small business man who cares for his family and cares about the families of all his employees. The men and women who tote their kids to activities (soccer,dance, etc.). Who on the weekends actually spend time with their kids. They help their neighbors and family when they can. They have great work ethic.
You see, these people live very busy lives. They dont meddle in other peoples business. They beleive in people and understand how goverment belittles people and promotes sub par behavior with its open pocket book policies.
These people are the ones who listened to all the crap the highschool bully said to them. They just let the bully spew his crap all year towards them. Then one day that person said enough is enough, and he kicks the crap out of the bully. Everyone else who has listened to that bully all year no longer fears the bully.
The republican base has had enough of this crap.!!!
2012 Will be Fun!!!
260. carla
Too late. Flamed out @229. At least there’s no more finger and no more nose. About the same amount of intellect, though.
The liberals seem to think the only way to reduce healthcare costs is to put the government in charge and ration care. They claim that conservatives have no alternatives. Here are some alternatives from a conservative.
1. Reduce government regulations — anyone in the medical industry incurs huge costs in order to comply with stupid government regulations like HIPPA (sp?). I worked for a company that processed paper claims for insurance companies and I can tell you that we spent a lot of time/money complying with HIPPA and we were several steps removed from actual patient care. Guess who ultimately pays the compliance costs? That’s right, patients.
2. Tort reform (liberal frothing at the mouth in 3 2 1….) — the fact is that doctors spend a huge amount of money in malpractice insurance and they pass the cost on to….. you guessed it, patients! The lawsuits from the ambulance chasers (John Edwards) also result in the practice of defensive medicine which also increases overall costs.
3. HSAs — government programs like Medicare/aid result in patients having zero incentive to self-limit their own healthcare. This is why you have to have “death panels” of government bureaucrats to ration care. I happen to have a degree in economics but even a socialist can understand that if you have a lemonade stand and you’re giving it away free you’re going to need a lot more lemonade than if you’re selling it $1 a glass. Of course socialists want to make it “fair” and give everyone one glass. What about people who don’t like lemonade? Well, they get their glass (and pay for it through taxes) whether they want it or not.
Another idea I’ve frequently heard has to do with portability of insurance across state lines.
vivo — don’t worry — no one hear thinks you’re elite in any way except apparently you
If not for Palin, Mc Cain would have lost by muchmuchmuch more …..a hard fact for him to face. She invigorated the base.
I don’t care what the Libs/Dems are anyone else says, we like Pallin, and the rhetoric will not change that.
222. tanstaafl asks:
Does everyone on your side of the fence lie with such alacrity ?
Peter writes: For some strange reason, libtards seem to think the average American has the memory retention of a goldfish, or that they are incapable of simply looking things up, an act made all the easier with the proliferation of the internet. Now instead of having to spend hours looking through microfiche at the local library, people can pop a few words into a search engine and find anything they are looking for, including the truth the libtards keep trying to bury.
I’ve been loving the Boys in the Basement episodes. They are really making this thread worth reading.
(More so than usual.)
It is about time we have a politician who speaks her mind and is speaking for the average American. The liberal media tries so hard to demonized Sarah Palin. They did a great job during the presidential campaign and I hope the American people finally see that these media outlets are just a PR machine for the Obama administration. NBC should never be trusted as it is a known fact that the CEO has won favors with the White house. I stopped watching these programs and I wish most of American would too.
I didn’t support McCain UNTIL he chose Palin.. A breath of fresh air in the corrupt halls of DC.
#84 Adam
“Let’s have the names of ALL the people who have done the actual writing, and let’s speak with them.”
Two names come to mind, Rahm and Ezekiel
“As with the child inmates, the adults had their cases assessed by a panel of “experts”, working at the Tiergartenstraße offices. The experts were required to make their judgments solely on the basis of the reports, rather than on detailed medical histories, let alone examinations”
The above is an exerpt from Wikipedia on another “healthcare” program called Action T4, under the guise of The General Foundation for Welfare and Institutional Care. Guess where?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4
Sarah gets it. Read the killing of children section.
“Frankly, the left’s arrogance is astounding considering Team Obama’s level of abject stupidity.”
Mark, Bernerd Fell (Hell in a Small Place) coined the term ‘arrogance of Ignorance’ to describe that not uncommon stance of the elected.
Howard Kurtz is an idiot. If Big Mecia had ignored Sarah Palin, it wouldn’t have made it into the national dialog.
Conservative Talk Radio is NOT, I repeat NOT giving Sarah Palin any airtime, and they’re not reading verbatime what she says.
This was 100% the mainstream media’s doing! They parrotted what Palin said in an attempt to paint her as an idiot, and it blew up in their collective idiotic faces!
And Howard Kurtz, you’re an idiot commenting on idiots… But keep doing it, it’s fun to watch.
213.”scatological perversion”
very telling apparatchik….because i doubt you’re a shrink.
245 VIVO Said: A third of Republicans believe Obama is not a citizen
Barak Obama held an Indonesian Passport in 1981 by HIS OWN ADMISSION under the name Barry Satorro! He used it to travel to Pakistan, also by his own admission. Indonesia, in 1981, did not allow Dual Citizenship.
Prove to me Barak Obama had his citizenship re-instated!
Ok way late on the scene. Single payer? We are not discussing France’s “free”medical in that, because it isn’t really a single payer, the government pays a percentage of all of your healthcare and then you buy your health coverage that covers all the rest, and what you can afford is what you get. Awesome. ANd if you are self employed, you can’t always get the same kind of extra coverage as the salaried worker, and the salaried workers pay taxes on these “benefits” I, like most French citizens-instead of the richer American ex-pats- work part time, I am taxed as earning 850 euros, and take home 700 to live on. The funniest thing is when we, my husband ( a farmer) and I get our “refund” back, because we are part of the working lower class… a month later we get a bill for our share of “the help the poor taxes” it is for basically the same amount as we got in rebate (well it’s a ten euros higher, you transfer costs;))…ok not so funny, but it is true. I go back to the quote for the economically simple: no such thing as a free lunch, someone pays for it somewhere. Anyone else see the resemblances in socialism to noble elite classes under French kings?
Sorry for the long and disjointed rant but do the liberals actually think before they argue, and then look back at their former arguements? The Bill Maher(whatever) guy probably laughs about how easy it is to convince people to go backwards towards serfdom (those people are so dumb to believe we need super educated elites to lead) rather than go forwards and challenge the status quo thinking with people who have actually politically accomplished something over and over again ( see Alaska fisherman, and look, another article on how Palin beat the existing media system-who said conservatives can’t handle new technologies?).
How ’bout ( I love speaking like the Midwesterner that I am, even though I graduated from a large university) the holes in Bill Mahers(whatever) arguement at the end of vivo’s quote–like what the man argues for is not what the framers of the constitution had in mind? They wanted people to be free to live and the government to serve them in that freedom.( the we the people document, not the Bill of Rights) They also designed the constitution so that the unwashed masses couldn’t totally mess up the system-the senate voting for President(yeah, stupid me, I can’t remember the exact terminology, but I voted for McCain/Palin and oh yeah I’ve lived in Europe for fifteen years…). Plus this guy is a comedian being quoted as an intellectual reference for how government should be run? Excuse me, I was only a late teen when Reagan was elected President, but wasn’t that one of Reagan’s major faults to being President, what does an old actor know about politics? Talk about self righteous!! I for one would really like to see the link to CNN’s “interview” of Vivo a couple of weeks ago…
280. viewfromafar,
I would love to hear you call Brian Sussman on KSFO (ksfo.com) some evening and say exactkly what you just wrote…
“Because humans fail the omniscience test and have a proclivity to misbehavior, we function best in a free market system where liberty permits escape from the inevitable outbreaks of ignorance and of the dark side of human nature.”
One of the best quotes I’ve read for a while, and needs to be drilled into the head (figuratively, of course – you apparently have to point that out nowadays) of every pie in the sky utopia-believing liberal within earshot 24-7.
Sandy:#175
“Alaskan Fisherman talks about Sarah Palin”
Thank you for posting, very refreshing indeed.
And 90% of donkeys believe that CO2 is making the world hot.
Sarah Palin can say anything and it’s seem that no matter how boneheaded a statement she makes there is some political blogger that will clean up her comment and interpret what she really means, lol. If she is so brilliant as people like you would like us to believe she wouldn’t need interpretors.
285. Paul Prognaticator said: is some political blogger that will clean up her comment and interpret what she really means
Uh, no, that’s the Obama Administration about Joe Biden!! Every time he makes a boneheaded comment.
GIBBS: Jake, I understand what he said, and I’m telling you what he meant to say…
Yes, last time I checked, Albert Einstein Gibbs doesn’t have a blog, and Joe Biden looks NOTHING like Sarah Palin.
I think you need an eye exam, Paul!
@286. wancow: – … Joe Biden!!!
Heh. Good one!
One has to wonder – if Saracuda is so ‘boneheaded’ and ‘stupid’ – why do BHO’s entrenched, lying, Fifth Column media shills keep repeating what she says and expending so much energy, effort and air time to refute it. I mean, if she’s so dumb, why pay her any mind at all? Why keep giving her statements so much publicity?
Answer: because Sarah Palin is the gravest threat to the march of socialism since Reagan. And they know it.
Great job Scott. The truth will set us free.
#285 Paul – We interpret, because commonsense Conservatism is a language Leftists don’t understand. “Death Panels” was clear and succinct, so much so, that it doomed ObamaCare. Most people get it. Leftists don’t.
So, we interpret. Even if you don’t get it, some moderate might. It seems that, increasingly, they do.
Conservatives need to get pro-active.
Why are we not seeing news reports about how different health systems around in the world really work?
Let’s hear from non-elite patients who have experienced medical treatment under different systems, e.g. under the disastrous government NHS in the UK, under the multi-insurance systems in continental Europe, or under the government-insurance system (with private hospitals) in Japan.
How many physicians should we have per 2,000 patients? 7 (as in Denmark)? 5 (as in the U.S.)? 3.5 (as in Japan)? Is it really wise to expand the role of para-professionals and SEIU unionized non-professionals throughout the healthcare system?
Perhaps some enterprising journalist can talk to physicians in different countries over a glass or two of wine, and find out what they really think of their own systems, of access to the medical profession, of “para-professionals”, etc.
Just a thought.
Another thought – let’s look at health care for the ultra-rich, and the very poor.
What do very rich people in different countries do when they are sick? We do not hear of Bill Gates or his family getting treatment in Canada, or flying to London to enjoy British cuisine and health care.
Conversely, we see daily that celebrities, politicians and the rich from around the world flock to American hospitals when they are seriously sick. Nobody finds this newsworthy because we really know the reasons – these individuals are voting with their feet, against the systems in their home countries.
Conversely, looking at health provision for the poorest 10% of the population is also instructive.
In the U.S., Medicaid and emergency rooms provide free care for the poorest Americals and for millions of illegals who prefer to receive their “services” at the expense of others.
Of course, the Obamists are not really interested in providing health care. What they really want is political advantage by creating yet another vast government machine controlled by Obama’s buddies at the SEIU. But while their answers are snake oil, the problems and concerns are real to many Americans.
Conservatives need to get ahead of the issue, and have the courage to offend the American Medical Association, monopolistic insurance companies, and other self-interested players and propose a real, workable plan to voters.
Hmmm..Let’s see, what other groups could we euthanize to save some money. How about lawyers? Or congresscritters seeking a third term? Or Czars? Or lobbyists? Why are any of these folks of any greater value than the elderly or the unborn or the mentally or physically handicapped?
Don’t unplug grandma, unplug congress!!!
#285 Paul – We interpret, because commonsense Conservatism is a language Leftists don’t understand. “Death Panels” was clear and succinct, so much so, that it doomed ObamaCare. Most people get it. Leftists don’t.
So, we interpret. Even if you don’t get it, some moderate might. It seems that, increasingly, they do.
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Common sense conservatism that is a perfect example of an oxymoron.
If Sarah Palin is the so called “Savor” of the conservative party there might finally be someone to surpass Ronald Reagan as our worst president in our country’s short history.
293. Paul Prognaticator wrote:
If Sarah Palin is the so called “Savor” of the conservative party there might finally be someone to surpass Ronald Reagan as our worst president in our country’s short history.
Peter writes: He’s already here. His name is Obama.
Ever get the feeling the libtards proclaiming Reagan the worst president ever probably weren’t even born until after his Presidency ended? I wonder how they would have likes living under Soviet Communism like they might have without Reagan having been President?
When will she just dissapear?
295. Adam Blosk asked:
When will she just dissapear?
Peter replies: When the last libtard becomes extinct.
The media’s problem is their arrogant presumption that they’re somehow qualified to tell me ‘what it all means’. They’re not. Just list the 5 W’s and shut it. I’ll take it from there, thank you very much.
Why doesn’t Adam dissapear ?? Sarah is smarter than all the Liberal’s ruining the country !!
“Americans are smarter than most journalists when it comes to practical matters of life.”
Don’t really need the qualifier – journalists are about the dumbest bunch around. Generally, the school of journalism has the second lowest SAT scores at major universities.
The lowest? Oh, that would typically be the college of education.
279. wancow:
“245 VIVO Said: A third of Republicans believe Obama is not a citizen
Barak Obama held an Indonesian Passport in 1981 by HIS OWN ADMISSION under the name Barry Satorro! He used it to travel to Pakistan, also by his own admission. Indonesia, in 1981, did not allow Dual Citizenship.
Prove to me Barak(sic) Obama had his citizenship re-instated!”
I’m guessing that Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, but that doesn’t make you lose your U.S. citizenship in the USA.
280. viewfromafar:
“(those people are so dumb to believe we need super educated elites to lead)”
Where did your doctor graduate from?
Who does your taxes?
Who is your banker?
Where did your lawyer go to school?
Are you doing great or trying to gasp for air?
284. Calvin Ball:
“And 90% of donkeys believe that CO2 is making the world hot.”
So you breathe CO2. I like O2 better.
291. Brandon Contrell:
“we see daily that celebrities, politicians and the rich from around the world flock to American hospitals when they are seriously sick.”
Duh, they have MONEY plus fancy insurance.
Again the former governor of the biggest federal fund beneficiary in the union, with a socialist wealth distribution scheme arranged with big oil, opens her mouth about getting government out of our business…. Does anybody else see the irony in this?
The media is no more than willing acomplices. Sarah has them peged.
Sarah had notes written in black ink on her hand … can reason and a sign of respect for our democracy at some point trump the lowest common denominator of ideology?
I have a hard time respecting a person who QUIT on her State. I dont believe a quitter has anything to offer the American people.
If Satorro-Obamacare is so Great, then why is the white house, congress, and staffers exempt from the law? EVERY American must purchase qualified health insurance, (EXCEPT THE ONES WRITING THE LAWS)