Palestinians in Shooting Spree U.S.-Trained
Since 2007 the U.S. has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in training and equipment for Palestinian Authority security forces. Reports of rampant torture in the prisons run by these forces, and warnings by Israeli military and other figures of the danger posed to Israel, have gone unheeded.
Early Sunday morning the danger grimly materialized. At least one PA policeman opened fire on a group of Israeli worshipers in Nablus in the West Bank, killing one and wounding four, including one seriously.
It appears to have been little short of an ambush. The worshipers, who were from the Breslav Hasidic sect, were driving back in a three-car convoy from Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus — a site where, according to Jewish tradition, the biblical Joseph is buried.
According to one report, the convoy:
… encountered a surprise checkpoint and [was] met with a hail of gunfire from a Palestinian jeep. The fire continued even after the vehicles turned back in an attempt to escape. Two of the three vehicles were hit.
As one of the Hasidim put it:
The police shot at the vehicles, they were screaming “Allahu Akbar.” It was crazy, they were shooting to kill. I screamed at the driver to drive out of there quickly.
The Hasid who was fatally hit was Ben Yosef Livnat, 25, married with four children, and nephew of Israeli Minister of Culture Limor Livnat. Eulogizing him at his funeral the same day, she said:
My brother’s son was murdered by a terrorist masked as a Palestinian police officer.
Shortly after the attack a crowd of Palestinian youths set fire to Joseph’s Tomb (report and video here). It was hardly the first time, the tomb having been burned to the ground by a Palestinian mob in a famous incident in 2000, early in the Second Intifada, and desecrated many times since then including with graffiti drawings of swastikas.
Among the reactions by Israeli politicians, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said the fact that the worshipers did not coordinate the visit with the Israeli army could hardly justify the attack, and demanded that the PA swiftly investigate it and punish the perpetrator(s). Based on the PA’s record going back to the days of its former Chairman Yasser Arafat, it’s impossible to be optimistic.
Member of Knesset Danny Danon:
… called on the U.S. to reconsider its funding of the Palestinian security forces, as well as the training exercises that it does with them. He passed this request on to Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), Chairman of the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee.
This incident comes at a time of mounting terror and brutality both in Israel and the region as a whole. Since last month Israel has witnessed the Itamar massacre of five members of a family, a bombing of a Jerusalem bus stop that killed a tourist and wounded about 50 other people, and numerous projectile attacks from Gaza including the firing of an antitank rocket at a school bus that killed a 16-year-old Israeli boy.
Will the Breslav Hassidim pick up a gun now?
Andy, the “Breslav Hassidim” shouldn’t have “to pick up gun” — unless they are soldiers serving in the IDF, as many of them do. The Israeli government should be wiping out the terrorist infrastructure that allows such horrible attacks to happen again, and again, and again. But Israel suffers from paralyzed leadership stemming from an unwillingness to make us (even more) hated around the world, and a fear of alienating our only (but unreliable) ally, the USA.
A personal note… my next door neighbor has been friends with the grandmother of the young man killed at Joseph’s Tomb for over 50 years. This young man left behind a wife and four children under the age of five. It’s heartbreaking.
I had no idea that Breslav Hassidim will pick up a gun or join the army. My image of Hassidim is a bunch of shakers and beggars who are too good to work, protect the country or much anything else. Believe me I don’t mind being wrong.
I have not been among the Breslov so cannot speak to much expert opinion.
My impression is that they consider their defense to be a spiritual one. Last I was in Israel I saw the Na Nach… mantra spray painted or posted in many places. I asked about that and got the usual foggy answer.
I think they are for real. Muslims would call them Sufis in their religion.
Not so bad to have them in this world.
What happened this time I just don’t know what to say. The beginning of the end between the fragile truce between Israel and west bank. Let us hope that is not the case.
Na Nach Nachma Nachman Meuman
Might not save the planet. Cannot see the harm in it though.
In Teqoa, the rabbi works as a security officer for the Yishuv and carries a weapon. Most of those who pray in this tiny Beit Knesset are former or current IDF personnel. They are traditional religious Zionists with a purpose a means to carry out that purpose, which is to return to the land of their forefathers and to protect themselves, their families and their nation. They understand, and rightly so, that Arabs are brought up to comprehend only one thing–force. They will secure themselves by force as circumstances necessitate. I cannot speak for other Breslovers but I suspect that those others who reside in Judea and Samaria are of the same character as those in Teqoa..
you`re not only wrong but you kind of sound anti-Semitic. Whenever you categorize any group of people that way, you`re looking through your own special lenses. Perhaps you`re more than simply a grump, but only you know that. It seems that anti-Semitism is once again fashionable–check out the islamic funded college campuses with the MSA groups and their rallies. Maybe you`re just an islamic appeaser, I don`t know, but as Winston Churchill said: “An appeaser is someone who feeds the alligator in the hope that it will eat him last.” So being an appeaser, and an anti-Semite, could actually be your downfall too. There are a lot of “alligators” out there
Sandy,
My prayers go out to you and all in the promised land. The eseless violence will at least come to a halt when Yeshua comes and settles all areas around this world down. I hope that all people can come to know Him before the judgement, and that is what I myself will keep praying for.
The Israeli government, to its shame, cares little or nothing about Jewish holy sites.
maybe they`re too busy ducking katyusha rockets to worry about buildings that might get blown away too.
Under the Oslo agreements the Palestinian Authority was supposed to be responsible for maintaining the Jewish holy sites under its jurisdiction. That it has not succeeded in doing this re. Joseph’s Tomb is a great understatement. But, if not the govt., the Israeli population is learning the lessons and is tending more right-wing all the time, according to all polls.
The weather has been getting more, and more stange now for 15 years due to the curse G-d of Noah, Abraham, and Moses sends to those who arm, and help terrorists against Israel.
I realize most in the government are pagan Lucifer worshiping be their own god kind of people, but most of America is not. Now, this pagan globalist agenda is getting more, and more Americans killed. The State Dapartment Billery, Homeland Insecurity bull dike, and DaOne’s CFR government should repent of their Sins in Christ name before these United States are destroyed by G-d the Father.
Supported by US/EU tax dollars, global jihadists, Palestinian Authority Seek Islamic CONQUEST of America, Britain and the world. (The goal of every Muslim who follows their religion).
Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris, Palestinian Authority TV, May 13, 2005: “The day will come when we will rule America. The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world.”
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/terrorists-promise-more-attacks-like-9-11/39161/
American and British leaders must immediately explain to Americans and Brits why they finance the PLO/PA terrorist organization whose declared goal is Islamic conquest of our countries.
Financed by the US/EU/UK, global jihadists, Murder Incorporated, Palestinian Authority call for the Murder of All Jews and the Murder of Americans:
Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): “Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them…”
U.S. leaders must immediately explain to Americans and Jews, why the Palestinian Authority, whose goal is the murder of all Jews and the murder of Americans, are heavily financed, armed, and continually given advanced military training by the U.S. and inform Americans how many U.S. trained terrorists are now in America. And explain why U.S. leaders demand that Muslim terrorists bent on a Second Holocaust of Jews are given a terror state inside tiny, vulnerable Israel.
What US leaders must explain can only occur after emerging from their comfort zone of denial composed of other like minded neurotics commonly prevalent in such circles of authority bridled only by term limits and reelection funds. While they prefer to continue promotion of their philosophical ego trips with endless blame games challenged only by the”other party”, they justify their misguided efforts by comparison to others failures languishing in denial surrounded with fires fueled by current facts and protected by court delay defense.
Sharing superior training and technology with any potential enemy has never carried any less risk than that of Judas if entrusted with the same free rein. Immigration, foreign student exchange programs with political agenda controlled grants have provided what you see in operation today with a replacement team already in training. Media has provided cover for them for more than fifty years.
Don’t expect any change until all media whitewash and agenda propagation is ended and the one common enemy of US, Israel and all the free world is called just that. New convicting evidence of conspiracy is presented on the internet daily while media raves on about vacations and point spread.
Every government in existence has an active propaganda program. Their media use many variants with a common thread being a subtle enemy of the state while portraying false balance. Israel is no exception. Whitewash will continue as long as their ad supported income continues unabated but no individual is forced to be their Huckleberry.
Please show me where the majority of palestinians want peace with Israel. I can’t find it anywhere. They should not get their state, until they show with their actions they are capable of living in PEACE.
The Palestinians (and Mohammedans in general) will not rest until Israel is destroyed and its people massacred, unless the cost of such an action is made plain to them. The status quo is unsustainable. Preventative, police action is useless; small-scale paramilitary punitive action is inadequate. It must be made apparent to Islam that its depredations will be met with a level of savagery whose parameters are scarcely graspable in the modern age. It must be tamed or extirpated. But accommodated, at least in its present barbarous form, that it can never be.
The Temple of Solomon was in Gaza – I hope Israelis (and Palestinians) remember this.
There is something truly pathetic about this news report of an Israeli MP asking the US to stop funding and training PLO killers. Anyone with an IQ exceeding 60 – the level of mental retardation- knows that training and funding jihadi driven killers will result in a more dangerous and lethal environment, yet the US government provides the funds and training and the Israeli government approves of it as a good thing. Please don’t try to tell me that they are being trained to better counter Hamas and other terrorists. My IQ is above 60.
To no. 9–the Israeli govt. does not simply approve it. It has tried to slow down the transfers of lethal equipment with bureaucratic delays and the like.
All Muslims residing in Judea, Samara, and Gaza should immediately be transported to a tent city in the middle of the Saudi Arabian desert.
Following is an enlightening little comment for the Reader: Within one or two days after the Itamar incident, World Net Daily’s (wnd.com) Jeremy Klein wrote an article indicating that two Palestinian security agents were being held by the Israeli forces investigating the event for helping to plan the murders. He also published the names of the two Palestinians. After over one month, there came the announcements in various news’ outlets that the perpetrators and helpers were found and five people were being held. No where were the two aforementioned security agents named. In Teqoa, where I resided, talk was that the Israeli government did not want to indite the two security agents because it would have caused an international furor as they were trained by the USA’s General Dayton. Israel agreed to supress the news. I wrote this to Jeremy Klein, author of the article previously referred to. He wrote back a brief message, chided me for getting something wrong (which wasn’t wrong at all) and refused to comment on my concern regarding the lack of follow-up. For interested Readers, Klein in the WND’s Jerusalem bureau chief. A second letter to Mr. Klein went unheeded. Not only does this appear to corroborate the concern about the USA’s involvement in training security personnel in the Westbank, it also tends to highlight the possible diplomatic concern which would arise if another incident were to be established. According to Teqoa residents, the Israeli government consistently works to the benefit of the USA as opposed to the benefit of its own citizens.
It’s been widely reported now that the Itamar attack wasn’t exactly terrorist in nature, and certainly wasn’t sanctioned by any organization. The two perpetrators were sort of junior members of PFLP, and they tried to get that group to give them guns (presumably because they perceive adult male Arabs as possessing guns). For whatever reason the PFLP wouldn’t give them the guns they wanted. The two men in question are 18 and 19 years old. Anyway, being unsuccessful in getting guns from the PFLP, they decided to steal them from Israelis. They broke into two homes in Itamar, stole a gun and some body armor from the first (which was empty) and then entered the second house and stabbed the family to death, killing the infant because he was crying loudly, and they feared it would draw attention to what they’d done. They then fled, and were assisted afterwards by an uncle who’s a PFLP member. He advised them to burn their clothes, and hid the stuff they stole with a friend.
So…they were terrorist *wannabes* who couldn’t even get guns from the real terrorists, and so they resorted to theft. Snuck into the house with the intention of stealing, and killed the family because they were there and likely to resist. They reportedly have shown no remorse about the killings, and in my mind should be executed for the crime of murder, five times over. I know some people are going to consider this hairsplitting, but there was no organization involved here, until after the attack had taken place.
It was also reported, earlier, that pretty much every Arab man in that one village was taken in for questioning at some length. My guess is that the report you saw about the two Hamas guys being arrested in connection with this attack is something similar: they were questioning everyone, and just because someone was questioned doesn’t mean they were involved. Just a couple of punks trying to steal a gun…
Following is an enlightening little comment for the Reader: Within one or two days after the Itamar incident, World Net Daily’s (wnd.com) Jeremy Klein wrote an article indicating that two Palestinian security agents were being held by the Israeli forces investigating the event for helping to plan the murders. He also published the names of the two Palestinians. After over one month, there came the announcements in various news’ outlets that the perpetrators and helpers were found and five people were being held. No where were the two aforementioned security agents named. In Teqoa, where I resided, talk was that the Israeli government did not want to indite the two security agents because it would have caused an international furor as they were trained by the USA’s General Dayton. It was believed that Israel agreed to supress the news. I wrote this to Jeremy Klein, author of the article previously referred to. He wrote back a brief message, chided me for getting something wrong (which wasn’t wrong at all) and refused to comment on my concern regarding the lack of follow-up. For interested Readers, Klein is the WND’s Jerusalem bureau chief. A second letter to Mr. Klein went unheeded. Not only does this appear to corroborate the concern about the USA’s involvement in training security personnel in the Westbank, it also tends to highlight the possible diplomatic concern which would arise if another incident were to be established. According to Teqoa residents, the Israeli government consistently works to the benefit of the USA as opposed to the benefit of its own citizens.
Include the conquest of india – Hindus in the scheme of things of terrorist jihadis. Look at how they lament indo-israeili military cooperation and good diplomatic ties.
And, in December, after months of quiet in the West Bank, 45-year-old father of seven Meir Chai was killed in a drive-by shooting attack near the northern Samaria settlement of Shavei Shomron.
Chai was the fourth person killed by terrorists in the West Bank in 2009. In March, two traffic policemen, Senior Warrant Officers Yehezkel Ramazreger and Chief Warrant Officer David Rabinovitch, were shot dead in the Jordan Valley, and in April, 13-year-old Shlomo Nativ was stabbed to death near his home in the Gush Etzion settlement of Bat Ayin.
And, in the most natural course of things, these killings occurred, it’s the old story of the turtle which gives the scorpion a piggy-back ride across the stream, but is then bitten by the scorpion, and to the foolish turtle’s boo hooing, the scorpion saying: “I had to—it’s my nature.”.
Sadly, the USA people are thus constrained to subsidize the training and daily sustenance of the scorpions, and to the greatest extent, the elected officers being insulated from the people, . . .
I find it a little surprising that the unjustifiable slaughter of civilians by security personnel should prompt a call for support of those security forces state to cease, especially from Israel.
I mean, regardless of your opinions, who’s pretending they’re unaware of the reporting on this and its respective frequency either side of the border? This is like Mexico telling the US to stop support for Narco states.
Robert Haymond have written about Palestinian agents participating in the incident.They where trained by the General Dayton,that General who didn`t stoped when Israely police demanded.The conflict was described by Israeli reporters elsewhere.
It goes deeper than just funding the PA…. watch this video
http://wwwtwosetsofbooks.blogspot.com/2011/04/exclusive-steve-clemons-at-gulen-forum.html
SAMANTHA POWERS (IRISH JEWHATER extrodinaire) advises the ODUMMER- this was her plan from the get go
OBUMMER pretended to throw her under the bus during his campaign- immediately after his election she became his advisor
Sadly this was very predictable and preventable and proves our WHITE HOUSE is complicit in destroying Israel any way possible by pushing the peace farce
Phreakestinians already stole 88% of ISreal mandate, Jordan and GAZA ethnic cleansed it of JEWS as they intend to do to the rest
Fatah are murderous terrorosts no less than Hamas Osama and Alqueda- USA never learns- we continue to arm terrorists- except in past perhaps we did this unknowlingly- NOW it is purposeful and unrelenting as we have an admin purely pro-fakestinian and pro MUSLIM, Hillary at the helm
sorry but Kahane was right and a prophet _HE KNEW the idiocy of placating ISLAMISTS
and he knew they should have never been allowed to remain in ISRAEL-population transfer is not a crime nor racist- it’s common sense for ISRAEL to remove hostiles
Your story adds up, David, and its detail makes it palatable (not just normal “punks” though but youngsters whose elders possess a proven history of violence and possible terrorism) unless… unless there is a conspiracy to avoid the shocking truth, that General Dayton’s men were involved and, now, no publicity ensues. As I wrote, many in Teqoa are of a different mind. In short, that Israel plays ball to such an extent with the USA that cover-ups in order to help the USA save face is an ordinary event. Just saying.