Occupiers Have Work to Do Before Their ‘Kent State Moment’
Occupy Wall Street has been successful at making the news and getting attention, but it still lacks widespread support. On MSNBC, Donny Deutsch said that Occupy Wall Street needs a “Kent State moment.” That was pretty shocking, because you really expect fantasies about hippies being massacred to be more of a Fox News thing. Still, I bet many people have gone by the OWS protests and thought, “It sure would be great if the National Guard opened fire on these idiots” — it’s just that most people know to keep that sort of thought to themselves. So leave it to MSNBC to be groundbreaking again.
Deutsch did clarify that he didn’t necessarily mean that hippies need to be shot and killed to help their cause, but that they need some iconic image like that of the dead students from Kent State — something that really shows the class warfare they’re up against. So maybe a photo of a millionaire using a bag of his money to beat a homeless man to death. That would be some powerful imagery; actually, I might draw that.
The only problem with Deutsch’s Kent State idea — which is otherwise a great, flawless idea — is that I don’t think OWS is quite to the “getting killed on camera” stage yet. OWS protestors really need to do a bit more work building up the movement before they think about getting slaughtered as a viable strategy to build their movement. Here’s some advice for the OWS protesters of things to do before their Kent State moment arrives:
Have a coherent message. I know pretty much everyone has been harping on you OWS protesters about this, but it really can’t be overemphasized. If you want people to take action, it kind of helps to at least be able to specify the action — or at least what thing you think requires action.
Everyone understood the Kent State protest was about the Vietnam War. They weren’t protesting something vague like “conflict” or “fighting”; they were against a very specific war. With OWS, you guys are afraid millionaires are going to millionaire you or something; who knows what in the world you’re afraid of? All anyone knows is that you’re against greed… as is pretty much everyone, and obviously greed doesn’t lead to any specific action. If right now you OWS protesters had something outrageous happen to you, people would be like, “I won’t stand for this! I’m going to support those hippies in… um… their… um… something about Wall Street, I guess?” So it’s just good advice to make sure people know what you’re getting massacred over before you get massacred.
“So once your movement is ready, cause enough ruckus to get the National Guard to respond and then throw some rocks at them and hope for the best/worst. What do you have to lose?”
And what if no NGs arrive to play their role as the “great opprossors?” I think ignoring them and giving them all the room to display themselves, despite MSM cheerleading, reveals to people how insipid and ignorant they all are.
They are giving the GOP all the soundbites they will need for the next election.
Buckeye,
Right on. This “movement” is actually small and weak if one takes the time to analyze it a little. It is proped up by big labor, which is expending resources now that it will need next year. The message is reflexively anti American and anti free market.
Most Americans are against big labors socialist instincts. The support of the Pelosi-Obama clique is going to come back to haunt all of these leftists big time. These demonstrations show desperation, not power and strength. It is a last gasp, not a sign of a growing movement whose time is nigh.
The far left 20% is mixing the cement and putting their feet in the bucket on the end of the pier. They lost in Madison, Columbus, and Indianapolis. They are even losing NY, and are weakened in Detroit. The majority of Americans realize that we are out of money and that the lefts ideas on education, redistribution of other peoples money, and class warfare are unworkable and unattractive. OWS is a sign of death spiral.
It couldn’t happen to a more filthy group of empty headed vermin.
Pen them in like a zoo so people can go gawk at the sub-humans throwing poop at the world.
“These demonstrations show desperation, not power and strength. It is a last gasp, not a sign of a growing movement whose time is nigh.”
I agree completely. Obama is roving the country in a bus now and local dems flee his approach. He is done and they know it. As he has nothing positive to show for the last 3 years and out of desperation he attacks the opposition and stirs up the old class warfare slogans to see who takes to the streets.
His brown shirts on the street are few and wretched and all the news coverage, labor union backing and Soro’s money isn’t going to improve that.
Buckeye,
HotAir is running a story that supports our view that the left is being damaged by OWS. Apparently, the fools on Wall Street who have backed the Dems in the past have gotten a good look at the far left and have decided not to make further campaign donations. The fact that it took them this long to wake up is a testament to how ignorant they really are, but late is better than never.
The Dems are going to rue the day that they associated themselves with this trash. I expect the left will react with violence when they figure out the jig is up. It’s all they have left in their Marxist playbook. The death spiral accelerates. Let’s pray that the fawning MSM is the next victum of the producers wrath.
The backlash is going to be strong. The TEA party is growing in strength every day. Americans want smaller government and it will be our best chance in 75 years to get it once the vermin overstep civilized debate.
Let’ see; at Kent State, the protesters rioted and looted the town the day before the shooting and capped it off by torching the ROTC building, blocking firefighters from putting out the fire. Then the next day at the campus protest, “peaceful” students fired on the National Guardsman (brought up the night before to quell the riots) at least 3 times and the Guardsman returned fire in self-defense. Informants and recorded phone conversations confirm that protest leaders had planned to cause the riots and wanted to initiate a violent confrontation.
What will happen at Zucotti Park? Maybe the same at Kent State. Including the media reportage which portrayed it as an unprovoked “massacre” and led to Neil Young’s whiny (and factually incorrect) dirge about “4 dead in O-hi-o.” I can just see Bruce Springsteen and Kanye West collaborating now. But never let the truth get in the way of a good song.
And, Kent State was the pinnacle of yesteryear’s version of spoiled kids not wanting to go to Vietnam. All the other side-conversations vanished when we ultimately left (and lost) the Vietnam War.
And that’s all it was. “Wahhhhhh!!! You can’t make me go to Vietnam! I protest!”
Yeah? Well how about your “argument” that people shouldn’t be oppressed and harmed by their own government, like you claim the US was doing to you? Did you see what the communists did to South Vietnamese or had that escaped your purview? What more noble a cause than to free an oppressed people?
But no. You all saw it as an excuse to whine. Sure, your daddy was a WW II vet, and he was proud of it. He went to Bastongne, New Caledonia or Anzio, barely old enough to shave and freed oppressed peoples. He and a million other guys made the world safe to live in again. And you, you spoiled little sh*t, got to go to college because of it.
But because your nation demanded of you something you couldn’t agree with, because, well, you wanted to graduate college, go get a nice job, raise a family, you felt no obligation to your fellow man to protect his rights to do the same? Pretty ironic and very shallow. Those very things you say you found “objectionable” in the 1960′s.
But now we have the children of the hippies, finding out that they, too, are dissatisfied. Why? They don’t have to go to war in a nation they know nothing about because “the man” told them they have to, no. They are dissatisfied because after 22+ years of being given a free lunch, they now find they have to pay for their own. Well, how about that? The inevitable was delayed so long that you thought you were entitled to it all.
And your parents let you down by providing and providing and providing. Never telling you “No” and never “harshing your mellow, man”. They even let you smoke dope in the house. Yeah… pretty “cool” parents. But there’s a real world out there that makes demands. It demands that you pay your rent, dress yourself, feed yourself and bathe.
Amazing. The vast majority have picked up on this and went out and got themselves jobs that sustain them. And, the word on the street is that the vast majority of humans aren’t multimillionaires. Yep, so you’re also finding out that you’re not all that unique. Another drone in the world of drones. And that means….you have to be competitive. You have to show up for work, not just get hired. You have to meet deadlines, fill out forms, agree with the boss, get along with people because yes, they keep score. Not like when you were 13 and they “let everybody play”. See, in the real world…that doesn’t work out so well.
There are winners, and losers. And you, you OWC whiners, just like your parents, are the losers. You missed the boat on how to succeed in life. You were fed a heavy diet of “peace, love and pot” and it led you to getting a crap degree in a non-existent career field. Now you wonder why you have $50,000 in student loans that you can’t pay off because the non-existent career field comes with…ta-da!…no income. So there you are, trapped in mom’s basement, working at wal-mart for minimum and you are angry.
But direct your anger at the school that offered such a BS “degree”. Then, get mad at your parents for not teaching you discipline, critical thinking and self-critiquing. Then, get mad at yourself and realize how you have allowed such garbage to feed your emotions while never actually accomplishing anything.
Then, and only then, will you be able to fix it.
Above all else, you might benefit from an old saying I became familiar with in the military: “Life’s a bitch and then ya die”.
What will always stick in my craw regarding the Kent State incident was the fact that, in truth, the wrong people were shot.
When a person fires a weapon they have the responsibility, no the DUTY, to establish where their round is going to end up downrange.
Firing a weapon is NO TIME for halfway measures. Either aim at the protestors and shoot, or HOLD YOUR FIRE! Don’t shoot over their heads and Hope the round doesn’t hit someone actually attending college at the site downrange.
If the people actually shot on that day had been the actual protestors throwing rocks at the national guard they might have learned the lesson of consequences for their actions. But since none of their own went down, they were able to create martyrs and perpetuate their whining protest.
jd
jd —
I wish I’d said that. You are absolutely correct. That was the tragedy of the event (the few students not involved but were in the wrong place at the wrong time).
Sol
Make no mistake about it…this “movement” is a contrived, strategic “venture start-up” campaign against Republicans. The evolution from “Occupy Wall Street” to “Occupy Republican campaigns and debates” as already begun. Expect this evolution to not only garner the full support of democrats…they are controlling and guiding it. The fight for the White House and control of the Senate is reason enough for democrats to harness the rabble and use them to win these elections. This is Obama’s army…as described by Richard Trumka and Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. It all started in Wisconsin…where the rabble “occupied” the state house…but their target was Republicans. The White House was the puppet-master there too.
Now…the real target is beginning to emerge…as was the case in Vegas during the debate. The enemy isn’t “capitalism”…nor is it “Wall Street”. Villains must be personified, and personalized….The enemy is “Republicans”. If you doubt that….you aren’t paying attention.
Wish I had said that. Excellent blog.
This is a staged event, designed NOT to be successful, but to recruit the masses for future efforts. The “twinkles”? I wrote about that technique – it is NOT benign. It is a highly effective technique for guiding the mindless to act and talk at their direction.
http://rau.3littlefoxes.com/?p=131
For all the publicity these jerks are getting, the good news is that there really are not a lot of them. You get a lot, and I mean a lot, more people going to local conventions in New York City than you have protesters on any given day. More good news is that the New York City police department seems to have more than enough police officers to deal with this bunch of ex-hippies, communists, and anarchists. In fact, I think the New York police are just waiting for their moment to go in and break this sorry spectacle up. The blame really falls on Mayor Bloomberg. Protests generally last ONE DAY, and then they are over. These jerks have set up a Hooverville in lower Manhattan and have been there for ONE MONTH! That is just crazy. And the longer they are allowed to stay there, the more violence there will be when you finally throw them out. Let’s just hope it does not degenerate into a mob riot like the one they recently had in London. But, with unions now involved in this thing, you never know what will happen.
I also blame Fat Jerrold Nadler who not only leaned on Brooklfield Properties but told local merchants and residents to STFU and deal with their lives and livelihoods being ruined. Bob Turner said that if he wound up losing his district, he would run for Nadler’s seat. Here’s hoping.
FYI, Bloomberg’s girlfriend, Diana Taylor (sp?) is connected to Brookfield Properties as a lobbyist, and as it turns out, Plugsy Joe’s son Beau Biden is the attorney for the company. Coincidentally, I’m sure, Brookfield was awarded a $135 million dollar loan guarantee from the administration the day after the occupation started.
This whole thing stinks in more ways than one.
By the way, cool and rainy all day today in NYC.
Final point, this whole protest is a completely manufactured astroturf campaign and it is attracting overt Marxists and Joo-haters of all stripes. SCOAMF and the Dem party are embracing this. This will be their undoing come November ’12. Hopefully we have a candidate that can articulate it and make it a wipe-out of epic proportions.
so the rain will rinse off some of the filth and it will drain into the *gasp* ocean?
where is the epa, greenpeace, lysol?
The bored,bumbling geniuses of the original OWS have an interesting collection of new members.Begging the question: who is the real 1% they are referring to.
The Occupy Wall Street movement is supported by Communist Party USA,American Nazi Party,CAIR,MPAC,DSA,DN,MB,Hamas,United for Peace and Justice,Code Pink,International ANSWER Coalition, Trotskyite Fourth International,Islamic Republic of Iran,Hugo Chavez,Fidel Castro,AFL-CIO,SEIU,Bill Ayers,Barack Obama, and the Democrat Party.
Cornel West, a board member of the Democratic Socialists of America and leading Marxist ideologue, stated in an interview with Amy Goodman (host of the communist-backed radio show “Democracy Now”) that he perceives the movement as one that will usher in a global socialist revolution.
The same forces propelling the protests in Egypt and across the Middle East are largely responsible for financing the “organized chaos” on Wall Street. In Egypt presidential hopeful Mohammed ElBaradei (former Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency), sits on the leadership of the International Crisis Group alongside George Soros, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and other international elitists. Soros had a direct hand in drafting a post-Mubarak Egyptian constitution, and is currently financing the Occupy Wall Street movement through outfits such as the Tides Foundation (which funds Adbusters, the leftist publication that instigated the protests) and ACORN.
There have been over 1,500 arrest at Occupy demonstrations including: rape,assault,assault of law enforcement officers,child endangerment,destruction of public and private property.
Bloomberg is a spineless wimp who has always been more concerned with being liked than doing what is right for the people of New York. And because he backed down when the protesters refused to leave so the park can be cleaned, they now have an open invitation to stay there for as long as they like.
The problem is, the longer they stay the more the tension grows. There are reports of rampant thefts in the OWS camp, and I’m sure the protesters will blame the NYPD for not protecting them even though they’re not allowed inside the camp.
All it takes is one anarchist to toss a brick. Nip this in the bud now Mr. Mayor.
If NYC were a decent city to live in (not that I think big cities are ever decent to live in, but that’s another matter), they’d have water cannons at the ready to expel members of the faux-lumpenproletariat who are befouling the city’s public spaces.
Come to think of it, SOAP and water cannons would make even more sense. Antibacterial soap, of course.
Soap and water Cannons! LOL
That is actually an excellent idea. It would have the ridicule factor. There would be no outrage at all from the vast majority, because of the ridiculing message it would send. “Take a bath, hippy!” Folks would just laugh aloud. It would make their day, and destroy any credibility of the protesters.
While I also think it a hilarious idea, it would still look cruel and violent. Since someone “downrange” of the water cannon can also arrange themselves in a manner to look “victimized”, I expect there would be some people who would appear to be viciously hurt innocents. Perhaps some of the tactics we used in Panama to get our man there to surrender might be in order?
Does the rape at Occupy Cleveland count as some sort of oppressive violence? Hey! It was even in Ohio!
…Or does that not count because it was the disgusting hippies raping their own?
It’s not just gunfights, getting shot or shot at. Without the likes of supergroupers Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young rushing an anthemic song onto the radio, nothing will give them a “Kent State Moment”. There’s no one to do that, as far as I can see. Is there a supergroup either able or willing? Somehow I don’t see Katy Perry doing it. Maybe Phish can have a reunion with CSNY, Bruce Springsteen and the remaining Grateful Dead?
There’s a big problem with having a “Kent state” moment.
For those not old enough to remember, after the Kent State shootings anti-war protests dropped to next to nothing. Public opinion polls were in the 90% range in FAVOR of the shootings.
It wasn’t until months, even years later that history was rewritten to show it as a big tragedy.
The American public was sick and tired of all of the student protests and them burning buildings etc.
As soon as the hippies saw there was a price to pay for their protests they decided in mass that the price was too high.
So a “Kent State” moment may make the OWS movement look great in the history books, but it would shut it down in the short term.
I am old enough to remember it, and I was in favor of the shootings. I have not changed my opinion since then.
Maybe the people on OUR side need to write, produce, and promote a lot more songs. Buzzsawmonkey, how about producing some YouTube videos? Ever thought of touring?
Kent State Moment? Let’s give them a Wounded Knee moment.
Too recent OTOH flu season is just around the corner.
1. “Have a coherent message.”
They do. It’s called, “We want lots of free stuff, and we want it NOW!”
2. “Have a cause people can get behind.”
That’s pretty much a non-starter. Most working people, retirees, etc., really can’t get too excited about someone demanding a job as the Womyn’s Studies Facilitator at J.P. Morgan Chase. They’re more likely to say something like, “Spending time and money on this kind of (bovine residue) probably explains why Chase can’t get my checking account deposit credited on time.”
3. “Have people actually affected by the problems be part of your protest.”
From what I’ve seen, they are. Unfortunately, the people being affected by what exercises this bunch are the sort who think that Critical Dance Theory is an indispensable part of the American business environment. (See [2] above.)
4. “Be less… weird.”
As a hackie on Broadway would say, “Fuggeddaboutit”. That would make them “pedestrian”, and “like everybody else”.
And to them, that’s Just Not Acceptable.They are the avant-garde’! They have a right to be different! It’s what makes them superior! And everybody else should be worshiping them, and genuflecting, and obeying them, and giving them lots of free money!!
Just ask them. They’ll tell you so.
No, I don’t want the National Guard to do anything to this bunch. I’d rather simply report their demands verbatim, thereby ridiculing them to death.
For any budding satirist, Zucotti Park is a target-rich environment.
cheers
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Bah hah hah. Ignore them to death.
Good one.
Some of them are angry because they borrowed money to go to college for useless degrees (nearly all college degrees are useless these days, but that’s another matter).
I saw this coming quite a long time ago.
Too many people are going to college who obviously aren’t college material. Instead, while taking their money and teaching them nothing useful, the college indoctrinates them to become angry and to blame others (rather than their own innate lack of ability) about their lack of prospects.
College tuition? It’s a ripoff! Postpone college until the bubble bursts!
I think the political end is only half the process. It is really hard to stand your ground when shot at. Even if you hate the military you need to have some form of military discipline to handle the stress of combat as a group. Therefore it behooves people sympathetic to the OWS movement to start building up these kids esprit de corps.
First we work on simple rioting. They get hit with truncheons, billy clubs, bottles and the honor students among them can try taking a blow from brass knuckles and maybe a few chops from a martial artist.
Next (and only when the trainers are satisfied they have what it takes to progress) we move up to molotov cocktails, rubber bullets, armored vehicles and a round or two with a cage fighter. Honor students can try out being repeatedly clubbed on the hand by Zionist agents and provocateurs. (Full disclosure – I am a Zionist but these courageous kids have inspired me and I don’t minding helping to toughen them up for their cause).
Next up and not everyone will have what it takes (imagine being able to tell your grandkids you were an elite OWS protestor. I bet those grandkids will be nodding because they really are impressed and not just stoned like grandma or grandpa) we try out rubber bullets, firehoses, tear gas canisters and trained attack dogs. Honor students get to try out napalm and Improvised Explosive Devices.
Finally we move to actual live fire. Phi Beta Kappa keys to all casualties.
You know, if you actually kill anyone, you can bronze the body and use it to keep clubbing the others til they give in/get injured/die.
Why waste even a dead OWS protester?;)
We’ve got these people here in Australia too. They’ve been evicted from their spot in Melb. city today (they’ve been there about a week). They won’t leave the city though and are protesting in an intersection, their camping stuff having been loaded into a truck and driven away.
The main thing I noticed when I wandered down there was all the smoking. It struck me as incongruous for some reason.
A reverse Kent State moment, none of thes creatures would be laying their lives down. More likely, taking a few. The rhetoric, fury, and not so subtle support to all the violent behavior of these thugs , speaks to inflicting, not being inflicted upon. Times have definetly changed.
You’ve got that right. They’re all about scapegoating the Joooos (you know the stereotypes; “rich banksters and billionaires that are running everything”) and about promoting totalitarianism.
If Nazis, Commies, and Soros are on your side, YOU ARE WRONG!
Fox news thing? What the h377 do you mean by that?
With the mainstream media being propagandists for the left for the last eight years, I can’t understand your context.
Simmer down…The author was just being sarcastic, mocking the Left’s bogus claims against Fox News, Tea Partiers, etc.
I thought their messages is very clear. “I will work for food.”
I must have missed the “I will work” part of their message. It seems more along the lines of “give me electronic toys and money to pay all of my obligations so I don’t have to work to earn money to pay for things myself.”
Well, they will work for food as much as any serious pan handler will.
“So maybe a photo of a millionaire using a bag of his money to beat a homeless man to death. That would be some powerful imagery; actually, I might draw that.”
I nominate Donny Deutsch to be the millionaire.
Better, have a rich guy beat a protester with a bag of gold coins, but have the bag rupture and spill gold coins all over the place. The resulting greedy melee would put paid to the credibility of the protests.
Don’t give these people ideas!
They have already proven themselves to be a bunch of deranged lunatics…a bunch of Jared Loughner’s in the making.
I don’t find it to be unreasonable to imagine that this group of rabid mongrel animals would set up an ‘incident’ to incite chaos and take their movement to the next level…”any means to an end”
Hah…this whole protest is hilarious. These kids today are doing the same exact thing that the Hippies did in the 60′s…white college age kids, acting weird, and not really achieving anything meaningful or even having a clear understanding of what they want. I love it when my parents generation tells me how they ended the Vietnam War and fought for civil rights, ignoring the reality that LBJ got the Civil Rights Amendment past because of the war. He would have never had the support in congress otherwise. Also, broken down by age groups, the people that least supported the Vietnam War was the age group that lived through WWII, not the Baby Boomers, who even in the last few months, college age kids supported the war by the largest margin. Middle America ended the war, not the annoying drug abusing Hippies.
My favorite is hearing the idiots who participated in the Day of Rage in Detroit claim that it was a widely supported event…which it never was. Basically rich, white suburban kids destroyed a downtown area, predominately black, and had their parents bail them out, leaving the black community to deal with the consequences. This is why, despite all their claims, the Weather Underground was NEVER supported by the Black Panthers.
As a child of baby boomers, I find it hilarious seeing how my parents generation doesn’t even attempt self reflection. I am expected to continue to pay for social programs that they will never come close to paying into what they take out, all the while everyone admits I will never get to use them before the whole system collapses. I totally understand why kids my age and younger are pissed as we are the generation that for the first time in US history, could have a lower standard of living than our parents. But to simply blame capitalism or private industry for this is hilarious.
I refuse to feel sorry for someone that bought a house they could not afford. Same is true for the college kid that took out $60K for a degree in a field where the average income is miniscule.
Kid, either you’re lying or you’re being lied to. In ’64, the year the Civil Rights Act was PASSED(most ‘Boomers can spell), the only ‘Boomers who could vote were in KY and GA, not exactly hotbeds of opposition to segregation. Most of the young white people who were involved in the Civil Rights Movement were from the so-called Silent Generation, too young for WWII but born before it ended. Between ’64, the year the first ‘Boomers turned 18, and ’75, the end of US involvement in Vietnam, over 9,000,000 men served in the US Military, only 2 and change million were draftees. Somewhere between a half million and a million men evaded the draft. There are somewhere around 40 Million men in the ‘Boomer cohort, so you’re painting with a pretty wide brush.
The government programs you whine about weren’t passed by ‘Boomers, none of whom were born when the New Deal was enacted, few of whom could vote when the Great Society was enacted. Significant numbers of ‘Boomers could vote in ’68 and ’72 so I guess you can blame us for the EPA, but you’d have to accept that we voted for Nixon, which many did, but it doesn’t quite fit your meme.
I don’t know your parents, maybe they have lived unexamined lives, but I suspect you should do some examining yourself before shooting off your mouth.
If there was a message, there would also be a leader. Not a stealth leader, a vocal one, who would articulate a charter, a goal, and a plan. In order for someone to bother leading, one needs to see a benefit commensurate with the trouble.
By contrast, the tea party is effective without a leader at the national level. Why? Three reasons: First, the charter: The US constitution is a heck of a charter, and it did not have to be improvised, it was already there, waiting to be remembered. Then, the goal: Pull the nation out of its funk by harnessing its latent energy. And finally, the plan: Work within the bounds of civility and through the existing electoral process to select representatives sharing the original concepts of frugal governance. When the charter, the goals, and the means are so clearly defined, local leaders and dedicated volunteers are enough to carry out the task, and ultimately reach the goal.
The OWS does not have any such constructive assets. It is bound only by the helplessness of its attendants. If anything, they give a face to our national funk, but their spiritual energy does not go beyond envy towards the rich. This less than zero energy, it is truly negative energy! How much mileage do you expect out a collective tantrum by navel gazing spoiled brats?
The very worst thing that could happen would be someone giving them their “Saul Alinsky Moment.” While the mass of the demonstrators are mere useful idiots, rest assured that the organizers are disciplined communists who would just love to provoke the situation where some of the useful idiots were injured or killed before the adoring cameras of the MSM. The communists have three things working against them: Thankfully, we on the right have kept our crazies, and we do have them, in check and there has been no violence even in the face of provocation at Tea Party gatherings and no agressive counter-demonstrations at various lefty/union gatherings. Secondly, the only place the communists can get enough people and media attention are big Blue cities. While individual cops might well want to thump the vermin, their unions support the vermin and the political leadership of these cities are all castrati, Democrats, or both, so it is very difficult to provoke a “police riot” to bring back memories of Chicago in ’68. And, third, it is very difficult to “astroturf” a violent encounter. After the police and the National Guard, the demonstrators’ bete noir in the ’60s was the so-called “hardhats.” Back in the ’60s, most unions and their members were vociferously anti-communist and the counter-demonstators were often unionized construction workers. These days the only remaining union construction workers are working for Davis-Bacon wages with lots of overtime on various publicly funded and “stimulus” projects. They are pretty much the only employed construction workers in the Country. The unions have trouble getting them to come out to demonstrate for anything and if they do, they’re on the same side as these protesters. My youngest son is a union apprentice who just got laid off as the construction season is ending and he’s been shanghaied several times to go down and march with the local “occupy” group. The union made it clear that if he wanted work, his participation was not optional. So, the organizers are going to have to find some grad student types to pretend that they’re Tea Party counter-demonstrators to provoke a violent incident; tough duty.
The object of any Leftist/Alinskyite “action” is to provoke a reaction from the subject of the action, e.g., a government, the employer. If the organizers don’t get the desired reaction, preferably over-reaction, they do ever crazier things trying to get such a reaction. Most of the people out demonstrating are having fun; they like to pull the tiger’s tail and expect to hear it roar impotently. If the tiger doesn’t roar, they pull harder and harder trying to get it to roar, but they never expect the tiger to turn and swat them. When you have to deal with this cr4p, you hold your supervisors and cops back and don’t let them roar until some “demonstrators” do something stupid enough that you can effectively swat them. Unionized employers learn to do this in order to “take out” militant union stewards and such. It has an amazingly beneficial effect on employee productivity and morale when some suits swoop in and lead one of the “working class heroes” away never to return.
Poop throwing howler monkeys suck.
There is another point: the “useful idiots” of the Sixties (and ff.) were puppets moved by the Central Committee of the Soviet Union: “evil empire”, certainly, but you might say that it was a serious puppeteer. I mean, if you really really want to sell your soul, sell it to the devil.
These idiots today obey to the orders of… Soros. A multibillionaire who plays politics to satisfy his ego. I mean, it’s miserable. A Jew who has collaborated with the nazis (and he is kind of proud of it), a trader who has tried to ruin England, who has been condemned for insider trading…a moron , in other words. Clever, but a moron.
These stupids sell their souls to a whore…
On the other side, should any of them be reading this (I doubt they can actually read, but you never know…) I advise them to use this battle plan:
- do not sell your soul
- get out and get involved in some charity: change the world.
This is a world of SoBs, charitable work DOES change it.
And it changes YOU.
Into something better than a moron like SSoros.
Poor protestors, had their possessions taken so that their wealth could be spread among others.
Strange poll. Seems that 85% of the protesters have jobs. So are they getting paid, vacation or sick time, while doing this.
And if they aren’t happy with what is going on, heaven help them when those that are truly poor rise up and target them. Afterall one can see the laptops, cell phones, cameras and other signs of wealth, spent on items sold by th corporations that they claim to despise.
Begs the question:
What kinds of “jobs” do they have that they have so much leave?
The Democrats/Left have a whole shadow government of non-profits, foundations, unions, special interest law firms etc any of which would give employees time off for something so “meaningful” to the movement. Lots of unionized employees have union business leave that gets them off with pay to do union things like camp out in the park. The unions have lots of guys on out of work lists or working intermittently who can be “persuaded” to go sing songs and carry signs. And lots of public employees in big Blue cities are allowed by their Democrat bosses to take off work, with pay, for stuff like this. You really don’t want to think about how much of this is being paid for with your taxes.
This is one time I wish I lived in NYC.
I would love to help feed many of these protesters. I would baked hundreds of pounds of brownies “laced with ex-lax,” and give them out free to all who “needed a brownie”.
Ultimately, they would then experience a true “shit-in.”
Actually I think it would cause a shit-out and end the parade of fools on display, I mean how long can you hang out shitting yourself to death?
They wouldn’t care – they’d just go on living in their own filth.
Creating a public nuisance is how they roll.
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Funny article Frank….keep them coming. Something about Obummer would be fun.
I take deep and abiding exception to you or anyone referring to the tragedy that occurred at Kent State as a massacre! Massacre, connotes intent. None of those young men were there with the intent of killing hippies or anyone! They were trained to repulse an attack. The Governor of the State of Ohio, a politician, placed the wrong people, in the wrong place, at the wrong time, for the wrong reason(s). Mr Fleming you owe those Guardsmen an apology!
I don’t see where the author characterized the Kent State event as a massacre. Maybe I missed something but the only use of the word massacre that I saw was where he admonished the protesters that if they wanted a massacre, they needed to give somebody a reason to massacre them. I do know that the Left constantly characterizes the Kent State shootings as a massacre. I don’t really think that the intent piece of the word massacre is as necessary as you seem to. I think the common connotative meaning would be any instance where armed troops fire on unarmed civilians would fall within the meaning for most people. And the argument can go on forever over whether throwing rocks justifies firing a rifle or whether the NG was fired on as some claim. When it comes to the history of the ’60s and early ’70s, the first liar doesn’t have a chance.
Please note, ” . . .Donny Deutsch said that Occupy Wall Street needs a “Kent State moment.” That was pretty shocking, because you really expect fantasies about hippies being massacred to be . . .” In the preceding quote Mr Fleming translated Kent State Moment into massacred. In other words, that which Deutsch insinuated Fleming made explicit!
I was at many of the 60′s “disturbances,” and I can tell you that these #OWS candy asses have nothing on the originals, who, by the way, are, typically, older than the #OWS’ parents!
#OWS has never tasted or smelled tear gas or pepper gas; few of them have felt a billy club on their head or the full blast of a firehose. They’re more into the “appearance” of protest, nothing more. The “old guard” didn’t even have tents, and certainly no smart phones or iPads.
But don’t get the impression that I’m praising the 60′s protesters as “tough.” What they faced from cops was nothing compared to what their contempraries serving in ‘Nam had to deal with. The were still self-indulgent brats.
Before anyone opens fire on the OWS protesters, please, please, PLEASE think about this: have Harry Belafonte, Sean Penn and Susan Sarandon arrived yet?
just a little joke… just trying to keep my urge toward political correctness at bay…
If they reach their Kent State moment I sure hope some shoots better than the Ohio National guard did back in the 60′s. 208 + shots and only 4 dead. Come on guys you can do better than that.
There were far more of us baby boomers who went to Viet nam than ever went to those protests. and these OWS clowns better learn to be nice to the NYPD guys and gals watching them. With all the cases of one suspect being shot at some forty+ times by only three or four bluesuits, that means there is a real possibilty of a lot of lead frlying around. And, as we boomers learned in Viet Nam, you don’t need to worry about the bullet with your name on it, it’s all of those marked “to whom it may concern.”
“With OWS, you guys are afraid millionaires are going to millionaire you or something”
That’s why I read Frank J. Fleming.
“So far, the few somewhat coherent people in your movement are the ones pushing ideas like socialism and talking about how much they hate America and want violent conflict — basically the same ideas of the people our military usually shoots.”
And this.
The OWS message is very clear: “Fire the Fed. Nationalize the private banks of the Federal Reserve” what is it about three words you don’t understand?
Well, the first thing we don’t understand about those three words, is that there are actually eleven words.
Come on, be honest: your eduaction only went up through Sesame Street, didn’t it?
My understanding is that the Federal Reserve is already nationalized. That is, it is operated by the Federal Government, but that it is independent. So, what do you mean by “nationalize”? And what is gained by federalizing it?
I found this on Wikipedia about what the Federal Reserve is:
‘According to the Board of Governors, the Federal Reserve is independent within government in that “its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government.” However, its authority is derived from the U.S. Congress and is subject to congressional oversight. Additionally, the members of the Board of Governors, including its chairman and vice-chairman, are chosen by the President and confirmed by Congress. The government also exercises some control over the Federal Reserve by appointing and setting the salaries of the system’s highest-level employees. Thus the Federal Reserve has both private and public aspects. The U.S. Government receives all of the system’s annual profits, after a statutory dividend of 6% on member banks’ capital investment is paid, and an account surplus is maintained. In 2010, the Federal Reserve made a profit of $82 billion and transferred $79 billion to the U.S. Treasury.’
Owned, enslaved, indebted… Land of the enslaved, Home of the insolvent. The former US is just that: former. What matters now is what happens in Greece, not how many people in ‘bama can load up their credit cards at Wal Mart. Laugh.
You see…this is what happens when liberal hippies drink their bong water. They can’t count past three, and only speak in fluent Stupid-ese.
Wow, that is really some weirdness. Did you mean the former USSR? The place where it was shown that communism doesn’t work with actual people, only fictional ones?
The Many Faces of Domestic Terrorism
The incidence of domestic terrorism in America, the commission or threat of violence against civilians by political, religious, or other ideological fanatics, actually pre-dates the establishment of the United States.
Domestic terrorism has many faces, all of them ugly, all of it carried out by U.S. citizens.
Defined by the FBI in 1994 as,”the unlawful use of force or violence, committed by a group(s) of two or more individuals, against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives,” that definition of domestic terrorism was expanded by the Patriot Act to incorporate actions of “mass destruction, assassination, and kidnapping occurring within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.”
The British may have construed the Boston Tea Party as domestic terrorism even before the term existed. However, most of us are more familiar with contemporary incidents, those perpetrated by the KKK, the Black Liberation Army, the Jewish Defense League, the Weather Underground, the Unabomber, the Fort Hood Muslim, and the deadliest of all, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombers.
Depending on one’s sociopolitical perspectives, almost any domestic crime can be considered an example of domestic terrorism.
Thus, the 2009 senseless murder of the abortionist Dr. George Tiller by Scott Roeder, a man crazed by the inhumanity of late term abortions, has been termed by some as domestic terrorism. Conversely and perversely, gays who proudly attack a gathering of normal people with bricks are accorded an MSM pass. (http://tiny.cc/ifhnt)
Go figure.
On the other hand, transparent efforts at coercion by the Wall Street Occupiers, efforts clearly aimed at intimidating our government and civilian population “in furtherance of political or social objectives” aren’t being classified as terroristic by our governments or by the mainstream media.
If violence and murder constitute the requisite distinctions in determining what is and what is not domestic terrorism, what of the threat of violence and murder posed “in furtherance of political or social objectives”?
No murders by the OWS protestors have been reported so far but widespread violence has been committed against the public weal and against public sensibilities, overt threats have been directed toward individuals, institutions, and Jews in general, and rapes, thefts, and clashes with police. . . (Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=5758.)