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		<title>By: Red Square</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/our_degenerating_media_part_3/#comment-9534</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Square</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reader from Israel -

The answer is that the liberal control of the media does not exist in a vacuum. It evolved from the primordial soup of &quot;progressive&quot; morality that penetrates the society, including some of the audiences and the commercial sponsors. It&#039;s a support circle (ruka ruku moyet).

For instance, when a nonsensical &quot;progressive&quot; movie that nobody wants to see fails at the box office, like &quot;Children of Men,&quot; the Movie Academy gives it three Oscar nominations which raises its box office by 20%. Plus critics give it the highest rating because it matches their dystopian vision of the world.

Universal Pictures still lost $10 million on &quot;Children of Men.&quot; One could hope that would teach them a lesson - but they had stepped on this rake many times before with no positive effect on their ideas. THAT is a real dystopia of our time.

It&#039;s sort of a never-ending story with the infinite number of sequels. So no, I don&#039;t envision a near collapse of progressivism in the media.

Fighting the media itself is not very productive. To change anything in this picture one must drain the juices of the self-destructive &quot;progressive&quot; morality that feeds it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reader from Israel -</p>
<p>The answer is that the liberal control of the media does not exist in a vacuum. It evolved from the primordial soup of &#8220;progressive&#8221; morality that penetrates the society, including some of the audiences and the commercial sponsors. It&#8217;s a support circle (ruka ruku moyet).</p>
<p>For instance, when a nonsensical &#8220;progressive&#8221; movie that nobody wants to see fails at the box office, like &#8220;Children of Men,&#8221; the Movie Academy gives it three Oscar nominations which raises its box office by 20%. Plus critics give it the highest rating because it matches their dystopian vision of the world.</p>
<p>Universal Pictures still lost $10 million on &#8220;Children of Men.&#8221; One could hope that would teach them a lesson &#8211; but they had stepped on this rake many times before with no positive effect on their ideas. THAT is a real dystopia of our time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sort of a never-ending story with the infinite number of sequels. So no, I don&#8217;t envision a near collapse of progressivism in the media.</p>
<p>Fighting the media itself is not very productive. To change anything in this picture one must drain the juices of the self-destructive &#8220;progressive&#8221; morality that feeds it.</p>
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		<title>By: A reader from Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>A reader from Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Oleg, for this thoughful piece of work. I am too, like you, a former citizen of the Soviet Empire - but my parents took a different path. I enjoy your site - and your writing - very much (not without envy of your command of English language :-)).

Anyhow, I would like to see someone elaborate more on two pionts I find missing in the essay:

- How did the situation described - liberal control of the media - managed to emerge in the first place? How did all those &quot;progressives&quot; seized the elites - against the laws of profit?

- If Oleg&#039;s analysis is right, we shall see in the near future the collapse of all those &quot;anti-capitalist&quot; media institutions - exactly because &quot;the laws of profit are there, like the laws of logic&quot;. If so, what keeps them going for so long?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Oleg, for this thoughful piece of work. I am too, like you, a former citizen of the Soviet Empire &#8211; but my parents took a different path. I enjoy your site &#8211; and your writing &#8211; very much (not without envy of your command of English language <img src='http://pjmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
<p>Anyhow, I would like to see someone elaborate more on two pionts I find missing in the essay:</p>
<p>- How did the situation described &#8211; liberal control of the media &#8211; managed to emerge in the first place? How did all those &#8220;progressives&#8221; seized the elites &#8211; against the laws of profit?</p>
<p>- If Oleg&#8217;s analysis is right, we shall see in the near future the collapse of all those &#8220;anti-capitalist&#8221; media institutions &#8211; exactly because &#8220;the laws of profit are there, like the laws of logic&#8221;. If so, what keeps them going for so long?</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/our_degenerating_media_part_3/#comment-9532</link>
		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moishe3rd:

Passion of the Christ was marketed outside of normal chanels even while Gibson was having problems with mainstream distribution.  A number of other films are using the internet to market the DVDs directly because of lack of support from distributors.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moishe3rd:</p>
<p>Passion of the Christ was marketed outside of normal chanels even while Gibson was having problems with mainstream distribution.  A number of other films are using the internet to market the DVDs directly because of lack of support from distributors.</p>
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		<title>By: Moishe3rd</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/our_degenerating_media_part_3/#comment-9531</link>
		<dc:creator>Moishe3rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom Line:  Why don&#039;t you change the paradigm?

You write well.  You are obviously incensed and dedicated to detailing the problem with &quot;Hollywood.&quot;  So, why don&#039;t you, personally, make the effort to create a production group that would actually create &quot;an uplifting war movie in which the good guys win?&quot;

Your detailed criticism and your specific points regarding the positive, capitalistic, profitable potential that such movies or television shows would have is right on the money.
So, why not create a new paradigm?
Why not make movies that will give you what you want?
Why can&#039;t you find those who have the money; those who have the skills; and those who can produce and distribute movies and television that would send the useful, positive and profitable message that you are espousing?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom Line:  Why don&#8217;t you change the paradigm?</p>
<p>You write well.  You are obviously incensed and dedicated to detailing the problem with &#8220;Hollywood.&#8221;  So, why don&#8217;t you, personally, make the effort to create a production group that would actually create &#8220;an uplifting war movie in which the good guys win?&#8221;</p>
<p>Your detailed criticism and your specific points regarding the positive, capitalistic, profitable potential that such movies or television shows would have is right on the money.<br />
So, why not create a new paradigm?<br />
Why not make movies that will give you what you want?<br />
Why can&#8217;t you find those who have the money; those who have the skills; and those who can produce and distribute movies and television that would send the useful, positive and profitable message that you are espousing?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you,

Your essay has pulled together thoughts and &quot;feelings&quot; I have had for many years.  I have never understood why there are no movies today like &quot;The Longest Day&quot; or a &quot;Bridge to Far&quot; or &quot;Patton&quot;.  I know I would be in a car and at the movies in a second if a movie like these came out.  I have unthinkingly stopped watching the network news, going to the movies and reading newspapers offline.  Now I understand why.  Instead I surf the web for my news, listen to Radio for important events, and watch DVD&#039;s of movies/TV shows so that I can shut it off when the left&#039;s message starts getting boring.   Even Fox News is starting to go left (recent immigration debate shows this IMO.)

Thank you again. One of the best essays that I have read in a long time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>Your essay has pulled together thoughts and &#8220;feelings&#8221; I have had for many years.  I have never understood why there are no movies today like &#8220;The Longest Day&#8221; or a &#8220;Bridge to Far&#8221; or &#8220;Patton&#8221;.  I know I would be in a car and at the movies in a second if a movie like these came out.  I have unthinkingly stopped watching the network news, going to the movies and reading newspapers offline.  Now I understand why.  Instead I surf the web for my news, listen to Radio for important events, and watch DVD&#8217;s of movies/TV shows so that I can shut it off when the left&#8217;s message starts getting boring.   Even Fox News is starting to go left (recent immigration debate shows this IMO.)</p>
<p>Thank you again. One of the best essays that I have read in a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ike Andrews</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/our_degenerating_media_part_3/#comment-9529</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant essay, and a compelling case for why Hollywood&#039;s output is the apotheosis of depravity.  Chapter 15 of a book I wrote, &quot;The Touch of Life,&quot; attempts to dramatize just how bad this has become when the main characters (&quot;the good guys&quot;) get roped into watching a snuff film, which is passed-off as cinematic art by the liberal elite viewing it with them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant essay, and a compelling case for why Hollywood&#8217;s output is the apotheosis of depravity.  Chapter 15 of a book I wrote, &#8220;The Touch of Life,&#8221; attempts to dramatize just how bad this has become when the main characters (&#8220;the good guys&#8221;) get roped into watching a snuff film, which is passed-off as cinematic art by the liberal elite viewing it with them.</p>
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