On ObamaCare, Beware the ‘Not Required’ Argument
As George Will recently noted, President Obama has slyly but significantly revised the wording of his repeated assurance that everyone satisfied with their current health insurance will be able to keep it:
His slippery new formulation is that nothing in his plan will “require” anyone to change coverage. He used to say, “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period.” He had to stop saying that because various disinterested analysts agree that his plan will give many employers incentives to stop providing coverage for employees.
Voters, however, should be wary of regulation-addicted statist officials trying to reassure them about what sweeping legislation does not require. Indeed, whenever a politician says nothing in his proposed legislation requires this or that, you can be pretty sure that both this and that will be crammed down the public’s throat in short order. For confirmation, one need look no further than the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964.
The fear that the act would lead to preferential treatment was so central and so contentious that it was the subject of a joint memorandum submitted to the Senate by the floor captains of the bill, Senators Clark (D-PA) and Case (R-NJ), which emphasized that it would not:
There is no requirement in title VII that an employer maintain a racial balance in his work force. On the contrary, any deliberate attempt to maintain a racial balance, whatever such a balance may be, would involve a violation of title VII because maintaining such a balance would require an employer to hire or to refuse to hire on the basis of race. It must be emphasized that discrimination is prohibited as to any individual.
That guarantee was written into the act as Section 703 (j), which provides that nothing in the act:
shall be interpreted to require any employer, employment agency, labor organization, or joint labor-management committee … to grant preferential treatment to any individual or to any group because of the race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.
That same guarantee pervaded the language of Title VII, such as Section 703 (d):
It shall be an unlawful employment practice for any employer, labor organization, or joint labor-management committee controlling apprenticeship or other training or retraining, including on-the-job training programs to discriminate against any individual because of his race, color, religion, sex, or national origin in admission to, or employment in, any program established to provide apprenticeship or other training.
This language was so clear and so pervasive that in United Steel Workers v. Weber, 443 U.S. 193 (1979), Chief Justice Burger was moved to write:
Often we have difficulty interpreting statutes either because of imprecise drafting or because legislative compromises have produced genuine ambiguities. But here there is no lack of clarity, no ambiguity.






Left-liberals live in a weird world. It appears to be entirely without incentive effects or second-order consequences. Raising taxes won’t depress productivity. Government-subsidized service providers won’t impact marketplace sellers of competing services. Laws against this or that won’t evoke a black market.
Why not just have Congress pass an Act repealing the Law of Cause and Effect and be done with it?
Remember:
The issue is not the issue.
The issue is control.
The good news is that the polls indicate that the people have listened to Obama and don’t believe him. Maybe because he says “I” so many times. Maybe because he looks shifty when he tells seniors their medicare benefits won’t be cut. Maybe because he promises the moon and no one can see where the money is coming from to pay for this monstrous health plan. The bad news seems to be that the Obama diehards don’t care what the American people want. They are willing to use any means possible to “cram this down our throats.” Lying, arm twisting reasonable democrats, and using the rush tactics all over again are just a few of the tools in their arsenal. No wonder Americans are scared. They have every right to be.
Any means is in-bounds for Agent Zero and his zombies in order for Agent Zero to look good, and if it means a decipher key is needed to get to what
he really means, then it had better be up to date.
Agent Zero is an ideologue, and frankly when the status quo doesn’t match his expectations, he tries
so hard to make square pegs go into round holes.
#2. Right on!
IT IS ONLY ABOUT CONTROL. NEVER BEEN ANYTHING ELSE.
My apologies for constantly posting this message but feel that if you haven’t seen the blog and videos linked below you maybe missing a large part of the overall story and quest for control.
It is relevant in this piece and relevant in most that have to do with the obama administration.
obama is a poser ..a fraud a charlatan. a NARCISSIST.
..why is he hiding his school records …his birth certificate ..and lying about his associations with terrorists ??? THAT PEOPLE MADE THIS FRAUD OF A POLITICIAN THE PRESIDENT.
the real issues are that the administration and the democrat party are not doing their jobs which is upholding the constitution of the USA
below are links which go a long way in explaining where we are and how we got here
I thought obama was juat a marxist ..he does follow the marxist rule book and he has surrounded himself with marxists (do the trolls know he is marxist and by default they are supporting marxism)
..any way after seeing this blog I now see that the marxist part is small potatoes …he is a mental defect …a retard. well at least a narcissist. …and that is bad news for everyone.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met:
•Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
•Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion
•Is firmly convinced that he is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special, unique, or high-status people (or institutions)
•Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation, or failing that, wishes to be feared and notorious (narcissistic supply)
•Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his expectations
•Is “interpersonally exploitative” i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends
•Is devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others
•Is constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her
•Is arrogant, has haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted
…so from that stand point he is doing well for a retard.
here is a link for the people who think they can engage a troll with a positive result.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIFcnctnHsE&feature=related
basically that means the trolls are ideological retards.
Johnny, you start out invoking one of the great thinkers of our time (George Will) then slowly slide into the muck of partisan springerism and name calling. Hence, your article will get no opinion because its irrelevent. However, I will say that I do not need national health, but I support it because some in are society need it and cannot get it. The national health of our nation should be on par with our national defense. We deserve it.
All right George, we get it already. Go read Solway’s great article, “Talking Back to the Talkbackers” on this site and consider that not all trolls have to be on the Left.
The latest poll that finds that Republicans have done themselves much more harm than good with their bs on healthcare.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/25/us/politics/25poll.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=the%20poll%20of%201,042&st=cse
The poll of 1,042 adults was conducted by telephone from Saturday through Wednesday. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.
There is evidence of public distaste with Washington that washes across both parties. Nearly two-thirds of respondents said they believed that Republicans in Congress were opposing Mr. Obama’s bill only for political gain…Just 30 percent said they had a favorable view of Republicans in Congress. By contrast, 47 percent said they had a favorable view of Congressional Democrats…. On one of the most contentious issues in the health care debate — whether to establish a government-run health insurance plan as an alternative to private insurers — nearly two-thirds of the country continues to favor the proposal,
Whenever a politician says nothing in his proposed legislation requires this or that, you can be pretty sure that both this and that will be crammed down the public’s throat in short order.
Funny how that works.
Sort of along lines, philosophically, of the boy doth protest too much, meaning, the more we insist it ain’t so, the more likely it is so.
Or will be so in short order, as soon as we get our foot in the door.
boyd
…if you get it then please disregard, I didn’t post for people who get it. as to why you wish that I stop posting I don’t get.
and while you are at it who is the troll who isn’t a leftist/socialist that you refer to?
I see many attempts by people who think they are above the fray and consider themselves conservatives who apologise and support the left without even being aware of it..
regards
Well, now, i should point out that it is not just liberals who do this sort of thing. in fact it is a major canon of statutory construction: expressio unius. i’m a pretty conservative guy and i make arguments similar to that all the time. Statute A says X and Y. Statute B says X but not Y, implying that Y is permitted/required.
In the end the authors of Title VII screwed themselves. If they just said no racial preferences, that would be the end of it. but by saying “this should not be interpreted to require quotas” they were indicating that they thought that if they didn’t say it the courts would imply it. in other words, by saying more, they put the simple language banning preferences in doubt. Any first year law student would understand that.
And as for legislative history, well, bluntly, it is usually the left that goes to legislative history. The big advocate of ignoring legislative history materials is Scalia, hardly a liberal.
The real problem is that liberal judges apply this rule (expressio unius)–like all rules–inconsistently.
Which doesn’t disturb the central point, which is that Obama is engaged in double talk, that sure the government won’t require anything, but employers are probably going to dump you onto the public plan. But let’s not demonize a frankly foundational assumption in the law when saying that.
“as to why you wish that I stop posting I don’t get.”
I don’t wish you to stop posting. I wish you to stop posting THE SAME THING over and over and over and over and over on every article. Inflammatory and off topic postings are pretty much the definition of a troll. I feel like I’m being Rick-Rolled when I come here anymore. Surely you have something else to say. I’ll quit being one now and end my point here.
Boyd …like I said the post is easy to skip if you have seen the links (or ignore the links) ..or when you see the name above the post.
..I have pointed out that the links are not off topic as they dove tail the whole problem.
most of the post here go over the same material since it is really a ideological battle between two main camps.
regards
“both this and that will be crammed down the public’s throat in short order”
Specifically, in 2013.
I think this debate is fascinating. On the one hand you have the president, promising to provide health insurance to 47 million people while cutting costs and improving efficiency. On the other, you have various Republicans, arguing that the president wasn’t born in Hawaii, or that he’s a socialist and is going to try and socialize the health insurance industry here in the states. Neither is anywhere near the truth.
What the president’s aiming for here isn’t a nationalized universal single-payer health care system like you see in Canada, for instance. Anyone who seriously believes that needs to think about it for a second: Do you really imagine Al Gore, Jay Rockefeller, or their friends from Hollywood, actually want to sit in a doctor’s waiting room next to a bawling infant and real actual people? Please. What they’re working towards, regardless of what they’ll tell you, is a health care system that works something like our public education system. Wealthy people will never go near a public hospital, and the rest of us will be stuck in a system that’s barely functional, over-funded, and incompetently run, but staffed by hundreds of thousands of new government hires, all belonging to a group of unions that will pour millions of dollars into the Democratic party. Single payer wasn’t on the table, isn’t now, and never will be.
And when they originally enacted the income tax, it was only for the very rich.
Medved made the observation that illegals will be covered by the SCOTUS. No legislation required.
…but employers are probably going to dump you onto the public plan.
Of course employers are going to dump you into the public plan under Obamacare.
The current debate amongst democrats (thankfully taking leave today for the Jewish Holiday until next Tuesday, praise Allah, no new pronouncements for 4 days) seems to have been reduced to EITHER the public option will be forced down the throats of the American public OR we’ll go with the BS of co-ops, aka the smokescreen for the public option.
Medved made the observation that illegals will be covered by the SCOTUS. No legislation required
Already the mantra is out there…”of course, in ANY EMERGENCY, any extant human being inside the physical borders of the United States will receive medical care”
The Prezzydent’s this week solution to the dilemma ? Make illegals legal, i.e., 20 million more officially on the rolls.
If I were a doctor facing this boatload of legislative intrusive BS into the practice of medicine, I’d think about retiring, too.
If Obamacare is crammed down our throats against the will of the majority of Americans just what is the response that the Left expects of Conservatives? Do they believe that we will simply accept defeat and the unconstitutional imposition of socialism on our nation? Do they think we liberty loving believers in Constitutional government will accept top down control of our lives? The answer to that is a resounding NO. I will not live my life under a totalitarian state as an indentured servant to my fellow citizens. I will not allow any more of my hard earned income to be taken by force to be redistributed to another person who has done nothing to earn it. The Democrats have demonstrated exactly who they really are through this health care debate. They so desperately want to rule rather than govern us that they have resorted to lies, obfuscation, bullying, and bribery. To all of this I say We the People are a free people and we will NOT go quietly into the good night. I WILL take up arms against this tyranny if necessary. As our forefather proclaimed so shall I, “give me liberty or give me death!”
Health Care Freedom http://www.azhealthcarefreedom.com/?
If Obamacare is crammed down our throats against the will of the majority of Americans just what is the response that the Left expects of Conservatives? Do they believe that we will simply accept defeat and the unconstitutional imposition of socialism on our nation? Do they think we liberty loving believers in Constitutional government will accept top down control of our lives? The answer to that is a resounding NO. I will not live my life under a totalitarian state as an indentured servant to my fellow citizens. I will not allow any more of my hard earned income to be taken by force to be redistributed to another person who has done nothing to earn it. The Democrats have demonstrated exactly who they really are through this health care debate. They so desperately want to rule rather than govern us that they have resorted to lies, obfuscation, bullying, and bribery. To all of this I say We the People are a free people and we will NOT go quietly into the good night.
The Liberal interpretation of the Constitution regarding health care as a right:
“…… and Healthcare for none”
Between the coming of retirement age baby-boomers, the inefficient government handling of healthcare billing and provision of services, new government agencies intended to be put in place to deal with even more government control, and the likely reponse by physicians of early retirement the shortages will make England, France, Russia, and Canada’s healthcare delivery system look like the preferred choice of delivery systems. At the peak of the communist era behind the wall of Russia, people did not seek out healthcare unless they were ready to die. I know, because I treated some of those people when they were in the States.
The failure of this Administration to take into account even the most basic of economic principles and unwillingness to involve Doctors and othe Health Care Providers to have input on the proposed bills has doomed us all. The only hope is to defeat the current proposed bill.
The idea that it is the Democratic bill or nothing is a very dangerous philosophy and ignores the sound ideas that could save our system and I believe our country.
Oh listen to you wailers!
In 1964 or 5, we put seatbelts in cars. Their use was not required then but it is now and a good thing too. People that don’t wear them increase the cost of medical care for all of us so they can ride beltless. Anyone here want to advocate the “right” to ride beltless and tie up the ICU’s?
You same cro magnons howled when they required motorcycle helmets–for the same reason. “Its vioalting my freedom,” you wailed. And preventing me from paying for your head injuries too, thank goodness.
The healthcare Act will require people to get health insurance: it will stop riding “for free” on those of us that have it: meaning no more moochers at the hospital.
Face it folks: we can’t have more docs doing plastic surgery on breasts, tummies and eyelids while ICU’s are closing. Change is needed. Change is here!
Now go back to your pork rinds, beer and fatty sandwhiches (we’ll come after those next); let the new Administration fix the problems.
Good grief you people whine all the time!
23. Liberal troll:
Your ignorance knows no bounds. Start with Adam Smith. If you can get through that, move on to Hayek, Von Mises, and Milton Friedman. Then maybe, just maybe, you’ll have a clue.
To Liberal Troll (#23): Interesting comments from a lefty. The left has long engaged in this exact same kind of behavior (for which they were criticized by the right). They spent the last eight years whining and complaining about everything that GWB did. Since the mid-terms in 2006, the Democratically-controlled Congress did virtually nothing else but try to prove to the country what a crook Bush and his Admin was. Even now, eight months after leaving office, the left is still whining and complaining about Bush.
It seems that the right has been paying attention, and is starting to employ the same tactics that the left has used for years.
If it works for you…
As far as the gist of the article goes, the way I understand it, there are clauses in the bill that would invoke financial penalties against those who do not participate in an insurance plan, be it private or public. That being the case, people would be forced into carrying coverage of some sort, or have yet more of their income taken from them.
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Start in 2010, finish in 2012.
jrp61356 at 25: yes they will be slammed by taxes–designed to pay ino the treasury, the approximate cost of their bloody medical care over the years!
Eric#24: Your tedious book-bound belief that society can run on Adam Smith alone is the kind of stuff I’d expect from a YAFer, bit it does not cut the mustard here. We’re tired of funding health care for people too good to buy insurance; do tell–what’s wrong with making people pay for some of the health care cost they impose on us by not having insurance?
Very nice information.