On Immigration, Perry Should Take the Offensive
Texas Gov. Rick Perry obviously needs some coaching on how to talk about illegal immigration — especially during the remaining Republican presidential debates.
Oh, Perry is doing fine. But he can do better if he stops being so polite and fires back at his opponents with both barrels. He needs to get off the defensive, and get on the offensive.
It’s not like he can avoid the topic. You can bet that it will keep coming up. In fact, it’s likely to make an appearance in the debate in Orlando, FL, which is sponsored by Fox News, Google, and the Florida Republican Party.
There are three reasons why this topic won’t go away for Republicans: GOP voters care about it; Perry’s Republican opponents see it as the Achilles’ heel for the GOP frontrunner; and the liberal media enjoys the sight of Republicans fighting with one another, especially over an issue that makes many of them seem dishonest, extreme, and out of touch.
For now, Republicans are livid over how Perry answered questions in the most recent CNN/Tea Party debate.
They hate that he didn’t apologize, grovel, and beg forgiveness for signing, in 2001, a fairness bill that allows illegal immigrants who attend state colleges and universities in the Lone Star State, and who are in the process of getting citizenship, to pay in-state tuition like any other state resident.
They hate that Perry, rather than give into bullying from the right wing, defends the concept to this day as having worked for Texas and benefited its economy by creating productive residents and not simply creating an underclass of uneducated individuals who can’t contribute to the economy.
But what they really hate are the words that Perry chose to defend what he did.
“The bottom line,” Perry said, “is it doesn’t make any difference what the sound of your last name is.”
Conservatives got the message. They knew exactly what Perry was trying to get across — that, often, especially in a border state like Texas, the immigration debate gets wrapped up in race and racism, ethnicity and ethnocentrism. The issue isn’t that people are coming illegally, as much as who is coming.
Nonsense, said Newt Gingrich, another Republican who is vying for the party’s nomination.
“It’s not about somebody’s last name,” Gingrich said during an appearance on CNN’s The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer. “That’s baloney. That particular line I thought was slightly goofy. The question is whether you are legal or not legal.”
Republicans must ask him what was discussed at the Bilderberg group he attended in 2007.
I don’t think the topic was “Securing Our National Boarders”.
I saw the phrase “Bilderberger Group,” which serves as a red flag that you’re a kook. If you want to hide that fact so that more people take you seriously, maybe you should stay away from the conspiracy theory shows on the History Channel – you know, the ones they air right after shows about aliens building the pyramids and ghost stories.
Ad hom.
There is just such a meeting held every year. Rick Perry went in 2007. Republicans deserve to know why.
Nobody cares about Bilderburg. No one. Nada. Zero. Zilch.
People bring that up as if it has meaning. It doesn’t. And yes, I know what the “complaints” are. Conspiracy theories are not gonna decide who gets the nomination and eventually wins the presidency.
When Obambi loving left wing moonbats talk and bleat about Illegal Immigrants these facts need to be at your finger tips.
1.
$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare
to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
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$22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food
assistance programs such as food stamps,
WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
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$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on
Medicaid for illegal aliens.
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$12 Billion dollars a year is spent on
primary and secondary school education
for children who are here illegally and who
cannot speak a word of English!
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$17 Billion dollars a year is spent on
education for the American-born
children of illegal aliens, known as
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$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to
incarcerate illegal aliens.
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30% percent of all Federal Prison
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$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on
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$200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed
American wages are caused by illegal
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In 2006, illegal aliens sent home
$45 BILLION in remittances to their
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The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration:
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The total cost is a STUPENDOUS $338,300,000,000.00
AND IF YOU’RE LIKE ME, IT’S HARD TO ‘WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND’ THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR ALL THE CITIZENS OF
OUR COUNTRY.
Have we been THAT Stupid?
YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE U.S. CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!!!
If this doesn’t bother you, just delete this post. If, on the other hand, it raises the hair on the back of your neck, forward it to every legal U.S.resident you know
I just want the laws enforced. Enforce the laws or change them.
The main problem with much of Hispanic emigration is the horrible state of education and a culture that does not value education. The Hispanic population in the southwest does train an elite through catholic schools. Every Hispanic I studied with at UCSD did k-12 through catholic school. Legal or illegal a catholic school student is ready for college and they should not be wasted. So I will give Perry a pass on this one.
Ruben,
Your Pal Zero in the Whitehouse is what Gov Perry needs to focus on, not wasting time on your non-stop I’m a mistreated illegal Hispanic babble.
Obama has virtually wiped out the avenues of opportunities for legal and illegal Hispanics, just like he has every person that lives in our country. Yet, you and most all of the Hispanic people cannot run fast enough to kiss his worthless rear end every chance you get.
That is as stupid as stupid can get. It puts Hispanics into the same class indentured slavery lock-box that the Democrats jammed the black race into decades ago. One or two articles from now, after it is clear that Gov Perry isn’t going to give you what you want, you’ll be right back to begging Obama for handouts to the Hispanic people that you know damn well will never happen.
Gov Perry worked with the illegal Hispanics in Texas because they almost make up the entire state’s population. When life deal you lemons, make lemonade. Perry did just that.
As a possible GOP candidate for President going after Obama with a vengeance is the only thing that Gov Perry needs to do. And so far the man is doing a very good job; in fact much better than anyone else in the GOP lineup.
Well, Ruben, you should have your short term memory checked as We, The People, told another governor from Texas that destroying American Sovereignty through the Shamnesty bill wasn’t going to happen on our watch (despite his stated resolve). Given the clear contempt and thinly veiled insults in your ‘advice’ here, perhaps I’m being too harsh in expecting someone to remember who was in diapers at the time.
Perry’s less reported statements regarding the federal government ducking its responsibility to protect our borders is an interesting one. As President, would he risk a percentage of the Hispanic vote and put boots on the ground at the border, or would he cave as all preceding Presidents have, both sides of the aisle?
As a person who grew up along the El Paso- Juarez border with many truly American Mexican American friends, I believe that the largest percent of legal Hispanic citizens do not support illegal immigration. I believe Perry knows this.
I believe in enforcing our laws and saying this is hard for me, but I am beginning to think that Perry’s decision to allow illegals he doesn’t have the power to deport the chance to become educated productive citizens is realistic, and it is humane.
I think Perry would aggressively seal up our porous borders. As a proven believer in the States’ rights established by our Constitution, he would probably leave other decisions regarding illegals already here to the individual States.
Ruben is correct about one thing – Perry does know more about immigration and securing the border than the rest of them put together. Maybe he could ask them if they have ever seen the Texas border with Mexico, he’s waked a lot of it on both sides of the border. Ask them how much their State has to budget each year to try and protect that border, because the Federal Government won’t do the job. Texas taxpayers spend Millions of dollars every year to protect the border and the citizens that live on that 1,254 (out of a total 2,000) mile border. Texas has 23 crossings (some are closed now) and a river for a boundary with the open Gulf of Mexico & a couple of large lakes for boat runs. We fought wars over that river, it’s crucial to the economy along the border. It is physically impossible to fence the river (or the Gulf of Mexico) – we can’t put the fence on the Texas side or we lose the river, some parts of the border are through regions like the Big Bend – check out some pictures of that. It’s full of Canyons.
I agree with Ruben that Perry needs to do a better job of explaining what the Texas border with Mexico actually looks like and the issues involved. Fences are fine in Urban areas, but most of the border simply can’t be fenced – I’ve walked back and forth (during low water times) across the Rio Grande. I think our biggest problem now is fighting off the Drug Gangs that are moving into the USA – they are doing exactly what they did in Mexico, they buy off the Law enforcement, city leaders and judges. This is an absolute priority so they don’t take over USA towns/cities the way they have in Mexico. I guarantee you – Texas hispanics want border control, they are frightened of the gangs. It’s no accident that two of the Texas Congressional Districts on the border flipped from Dem to GOP. The Texas Legislature has 35 Hispanic CongressCritters – more Republican Hispanics get elected every year. The Democrat Hispanics come from the Sanctuary cities and fight tooth and nail against any border regulation.
As for the College tuition – only 4 in the Texas Legislature voted against it, it was very popular all over the State. Perry is correct, the last thing we need are more kids with no education that end up in gangs and criminal activities. The kids that get ‘resident’ tuition have to have been here for a number of years, and spent their entire high school life in Texas high schools – they get no special scholarships or special entry into Texas colleges or Universities. Perry can’t deport them, we have to deal with the hand we have until we can get some common sense approaches. That’s unlikely to happen as long as so many people don’t understand that Texas is not like New Mexico, Arizona or California – each of these States has a different dynamic and topography to deal with AND they have different ‘activist’ groups. La Raza was born in Texas, but soon moved West – we have ‘activism’, but it’s not the Reconquista activism except in a few pockets in the big cities. They have no real following in Texas. “Fixing” the immigration problems will require work on several fronts, but the most important thing right now is the Wars and violence in Mexico – we have to keep it from spilling into the USA. Texas is the most at risk. Texas has over half the border and manages it better than the other border States – we don’t have signs in our parks warning citizens to stay out because the parks have been taken over by illegal aliens. ICE under the Obama regime is a disaster.
Excellent analysis on both the border wall and the in-state tuition for illegals applying for citizenship. Thanks.
The knee-jerk reaction to these issues ignores reality. The reality that you can’t put a wall in a river. And the reality that Texas, as a state, cannot legally deport these aliens. That’s the job of the federal govt and Obama refuses to both keep them out (by border vigilance) and deport them. Therefore, what is the state to do? Again, Perry can’t deport them.
He has a choice. Either ignore them, which economically and socially sets them up to move into a criminal under-class, since there would be no legal means for them to exist outside of criminality..or..he tries to move them into citizenship and a productive economic role. He chose the latter. You’ve outlined the requirements very well; the student must have lived in the state and gone to school, must be applying for citizenship..and..have the marks to go to college. As such, he could pay in-state tuition. The foreign tuition is often four times that of in-state residents, and beyond the economic reach of these and most, students.
Again, what so many people ignore is that Perry cannot deport them. Only the federal govt can do this. They are there; what is he to do? Allow a criminal class to emerge, since they’d be barred from education, jobs and citizenship?
The response you suggest Gov. Perry make based on “I know more about immigration than any of you, etc” would be fine as long as Perry runs for state office. Problem is, that the way border governors govern, when it comes to immigration, affects the entire country as the illegal immigrants spread throughout the land, armed with driver’s licenses in some cases.
This may surprise you coming from and independent like me who voted in 2000 for
Bush, 2008 for Obama — but you know, there’s not a dime’s worth of difference in immigration policy between the two parties. I think it will be a wash in the election.
Remember, it was Reagan who passed the only amnesty bill we’ve passed. And it was George Bush II who pushed for a comprehensive immigration bill. And in both cases the most left wing of the Democratic Party supported those two actions.
Reagan’s amnesty slipped right through. Bush’s “comprehensive immigration bill” on the other hand so united the opposition — most Republican ordinary people and most democrats not in the left-most wing of that party — and independents like me. Together we literally shut down the Senate switchboard and no one has ever made any serious attempt to pass comprehenisve immigration since then.
That’s where we stand today. The power elite in both parties WANT open borders, sanctuary cities and all that stuff that encourages illegal immigration. The mass of Americans hate it. Oh they’ll all stand up and say–we’ve got to close those borders! Nonsense. If those in charge in either party were willing to challene their corporate masters the border would be closed. They can’t challenge the corporate money that has bought them all–both parties–and so we will drift along as in the past. No border closure, no comprehensive immigration bill ever.
Two parties have different reasons for supporting it. Left wants borderless citizenship and all those potential votes for the Democratic Party. Republicans are more crass. They just want CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP labor. So-called “nannies” who don’t question 20 hour days in an 8-hour day country. What Corporations can’t move off shore and must do here in the U.S., they want a supply of illegal labor to do and no backtalk so tha wages stay low.
That’s the truth of the situation. I did not know Perry had been to a Bilderburger meeting. If so, he’s following in path of every president we’ve had for decades–if they don’t belong to the Council on Foreign Relations and agree to be approved by the Bilderburgers? They don’t get to be nominated.
George Bush (both),and Clinton bowed to that reality. Why not Perry? Romney’s probably already made his trip first time he ran, and I suspect so has Obama.
Be interesting to find out.
I repeat what I blog about here repeatedly–only Republican candidate that offers a prayer of an economy based on at least some nationalism–America’s interests first–is Buddy Roemer. I see ex gov of NM got into debate tonight. Roemer has equal qualifications and percentage of poll required–how come he’s not in?
He’s running on taking a hard look at our preposterous trade agreements. Can’t DO that and be welcome by the Bilderburgers.
The point is NEITHER PARTY is going to do a damned thing about immigration even though I would say maybe 75 or 80% of the country WANT closed borders, an end to sanctuary cities, deportation. We’re NOT GOING TO GET IT from either party and that goes back to the fact that illegal immigration is part and parcel of globalization and NAFTA and the World Trade Organization. When NAFTA was muscled through in a semi-legal process in1992, the country was inexorably signed onto free movement of capital, products AND LABOR across borders. That’s what globalists believe and no matter what either party says on the topic, that’s why no one has ever really closed that border.
We are destroying your currency and economy. We are setting the stages for a New World Order and One World Government. The nation-state no longer exists. Patriotism and nationalism is dead. There will some pain for some people. Adjustments will have to be made. It will require a whole new mindset. Don’t think of yourself as an American citizen. Think of yourself as a global citizen, a citizen of the world. We are entering a new era in the history of mankind. Those who refuse to join us will cause themselves unnecessary pain and suffering. A New World Order and One World Government is inevitable, just a matter of time. Those who resist will be dealt with… I hope none of you are foolish enough to attempt to resist. Resistance is futile.
Under the guise of free trade we are destroying your manufacturing base, your economy, your currency, and ultimately your sovereignty. Under the guise of all these free trade deals we are erasing your borders, your national identity, your loyalty, we are outsourcing all your manufacturing jobs and destroying the middle class. Your economy is based on nothing. You produce no real wealth. Your economy is a deck of cards which we will collapse when the time is right. We control both political parties. You are peons. You have no power. We control the media, the financial institutions, Wall Street, the corporations, the entertainment industry etc. You are so Balkanized and divided, you will never be able to stand up to us.
The world is changing. Very soon an independent “America” will cease to exist. Get it through your heads. The nation-state is dead. Borders are obsolete. Nationalism is dead. You are not an American citizen. You are a global citizen, a citizen of the world. There is no American economy. There is a global economy. Your system of government is obsolete, irrelevant and inefficient. It will be replaced. Initially, there will be some pain for some people/countries. They will have to adjust to the new way things are done. But long-term things will be much better, much smoother, much more efficient. The world faces many problems, and the only solution is a New World Order and One World Government. We are entering a new period of human history. Those who are stubborn and refuse to join us will cause themselves unnecessary pain and suffering. A New World Order and One World Government is inevitable, just a matter of time. Those who resist will end up in the dustbin of history. Get with the program. Don’t waste your time trying to bring back the olden days. Those days are long gone. That is a good thing.
It is a done deal. We have destroyed America. Soon we will have a New World Order and One World Government — with us in control. It will be impossible for you to fight back. You are so Balkanized and divided, you will never be able to stand up to us. You are on the wrong side of history. You will be swept aside like the detritus you are. Resistance is futile. It’s a done deal. If you’re gonna get raped, you may as well enjoy it…
Good to see that you remembered to cut-and-paste a different spiel when you changed your screen name, La Raza.
A major concern about Perry’s position on tuition for illegals is that most of these illegal folks do not come from Mexico’s educated elite. They come from the mostly uneducated Indian class that tends to worship guys like Pancho Villa. Why? Well, it may be in part due to the fact that Pancho was one of the few that attacked the USA and made the US Army look silly when they unsuccessfully chased him back into Mexico. There are huge statues of Pancho in places like the cities of Durango and Zacatecas to celebrate this silly Mexican gangster. My point is that many of these “students” will major in “Hispanic Studies” where they will learn about how the USA stole the SW USA during the Mexican-American war and will find lots of supporting information from racist organizations like La Raza. I am concerned that by subsidizing these students with our tax dollars, we will be contributing to the “hate America” culture.
I would argue that they first become American citizens, then they qualify for in-state tuition. Viva Mexico!
Republicans need to keep the focus on Obama and stop this bickering between each other. Instead of sniping at the front runner, tell the American people how YOU would make this a better country, how YOUR economic policies would help the country, and how YOU would reduce this dangerous deficit and debt of ours. Tell the people what you are going to do, instead of harping on what the other guy isn’t doing. Politicians seem to think that the only way of eliminating a front runner is by attacking him or her. Not true, and people are a little tired of it. You’ll have plenty of time attacking Obama if you get the nomination. But what is YOUR vision of not only the country, but of the world, and how would you differ from that sad, pathetic, man/boy that’s in office right now? THAT is a winning strategy and THAT is what people are yearning to hear.
We are Reconquering the Southwest…and you gringos can’t stop us. Our population is rapidly growing, and the gringo population is aging and declining. We are over 50 million and united. You are down to 63.7% and extremely divided…and will be a minority by 2041. We are already a majority of the population under 18 in Alta California, Tejas, Nuevo Mexico and Arizona… and are rapidly taking over Nevada, Colorado, and Florida.
We are young and vigorous. You gringos are old and tired. We are the future. Your time has passed. We have defeated you without firing a shot. It is too late for you gringos to stop us from taking over the country. Gringos are down to only 53.5% of the population under 18…and a minority of births since 2010. You gringos will soon be a minority, and lose control of your own destiny. We will control who gets elected President. We will DOMINATE Alta California, Tejas, Nuevo Mexico and Arizona…and will be the swing voters in the swing states — Nevada, Colorado, and Florida. Whoever doesn’t do La Raza’s bidding will be thrown out of office.
We have Reconquered the Southwest from you gringos without firing a shot. Don’t you see that we have defeated you? You have no leaders, no hope, no future. You gringos will soon pay the price for your sins against us. The 21st century will undo and reverse the 19th century. La Reconquista is almost complete. It is only a matter of time. We are nearly there. In a few years it will all be over for you gringos.
Do you understand that we are CONQUERING this country right now right in front of your eyes, in broad daylight, without a shot being fired? Do you understand that we are CONQUERING America right now…and that your leaders are like the American Indian chiefs who sold their tribes out for bottles of Kickapoo Joy Juice and some repeating rifles…
We have already RECONQUERED the entire Southwest — Alta California, Tejas, Nuevo Mexico, and Arizona. We will soon have control of Nevada, Colorado, Florida, and Utah. After that, we will proceed to invade, conquer, and colonize the entire country. We are repopulating the country. We will eventually drive all you gringos out of the country, to Canada, back to Europe, to Mars, whatever, just get the hell out of this country because we’re taking over, and we don’t want you racist gringos here. We will drive you gringos out of here as sure as I’m standing here.
We have CONQUERED you without firing a shot. La Raza is 50 million strong…and by 2050 we will be 135 million concentrated in the Southwest that borders Mexico. La Reconquista is almost comnplete. We are taking back the Southwest, the land that you gringos stole from us in the 19th century. Demographics Is Destiny. We are repopulating the country. It is all over for you gringos. By 2041 you gringos will be a minority. A minority that is aging, shrinking and dying. By 2050 we will be 135 million strong, about 30% of the population, an overwhelming majority in the Southwest — and an even greater percentage of children. We will soon be an outright majority.
The Gringo’s world is ending… Not with a bang but a whimper.
The Gringo is going gentle into that good night… Don’t rage against the dying of the Gringo’s light.
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.
Callate mariconcita barata, ni tu estas conquistando nada, ni los latinos decentes te vamos seguir. Andate a la verga.
God bless America!
Yeah, we know all that…That’s why some areas look like a third world H*llhole. We are regressing. You have nothing to be proud of…..soon America will look like the place you fled from…..and you will be as sorry about it as we are.
Cinco Centavos para tu hermana, ?si?
Para la Raza, muerte.
Viva la Enmienda Segunda!
You sir are an embarrassment to Latino’s. It is that kind of attitude that creates tension.
We are taking over the country. White people are dying. We are the majority. You gringos are the minority. Get out of the way, and stop trying to postpone the inevitable. Your time is over. We are the future. It is time for payback. We will take very good care of you gringos. Don’t you worry.
We will cut off you gringos Medicare and Social Security.
La Reconquista is nearly complete. Very soon we will have the power to deal with you gringos the way you deserve to be treated. And you won’t be able to stop us. We now control our own destiny. You gringos are toast, burnt toast. Adios Gringos.
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.
La raza de maricones a la que perteneces nunca conquistara nada
You do realize, don’t you, that you’re re-creating for yourselves just what you fled your homelands to avoid: poverty and unemployment. This past week, new figures on poverty in America were released. Hispanics have the highest rate of poverty, as do Hispanic children. Who do you think is going to bail you out? Those White Europeans you so despise? African-Americans? We all have our own problems and we’re not about to tax ourselves more to make sure you have a comfortable life.
We will cut your gringos Medicare and Social Security, and use that money on our people. Whether you like it or not, it will happen. We will do it through our votes. And you can’t stop it from happening.
We will raise taxes on the rich, banks and corporations, and use that money on our people. Get out of our way. We will do what is necessary, and you racist white Republicans can’t stop us.
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.
If you could all that, then why didn’t you do it in your own countries, say, Mexico? Fact is, most of you can’t vote legally and will never be able to. Your children are being raised in poverty and poor people and young people tend not to vote. Wealthier and older people do. I foresee that Hispanics who do NOT assimilate to the White American mainstream (and that begins with coming legally) will live much as they did in their homelands, on the margins and beholden to the elite for handouts. By the way, the SS Administration ran the numbers. Each legalized illegal alien would cost SS a NET $15,000. Legalization would not “save” SS but would rather hasten its demise.
You gringos are a pathetic bunch. We will have our way whether you like it or not. There is nothing you can do to stop us. We now control our own destiny.
Wait and see. All your bigotry and racism won’t help you one iota. We will do whatever is necessary to secure our people’s future.
We will cut off Medicare and Social Security for you gringos, and use the money on our people.
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.
I’m also a lifelong labor Democrat and we oppose amnesty for illegal alien scabs.
Go away you pathetic little person.You are a one trick pony and not nearly as cute as to pony in the Tijuana porn show.
Wanna bet La Raza is a skinhead posting from double-wide in a trailer court?
Quatro Centavos para tu hermana, ?si?
You have an amazing ability, Ruben, to conflate issues and then parse out “solutions” as if there are separate problems contained in each.
Let’s stop you at the unspoken slander that is unfair on its face, has virtually no basis in fact and cheapens the discussion at the outset. Nobody…nobody, is advancing a racist argument when they voice concern over illegal immigration. It is a legitimate concern and your constant, relentless, cheap and tawdry attempts to call everyone who voices such a concern a racist, is beneath contempt.
Let me clue you in on a couple of facts that perhaps you have missed. We are broke. For our OWN citizens, we have run out of funds for entitlement programs to proceed unfettered. They are on an unsustainable course.
Our police, fire and teacher’s pensions are stretched to the max. We are borrowing money from the Chinese at a clip that has us on a collision course with bankruptcy.
We have a gang problem, drug running problem, and now a gun-running problem on our southern border…which has made its way into the heartland and spread like a disease across our country.
We are STILL the target…and, along with Israel, the MAIN target of crazed suicidal terrorists who wish to do us enormous harm.
So, don’t sit there and talk down to us…we who have to deal with this Pandora’s box of despicable social threats and ills…as the responsible citizens of this representative self-governance land we call ours.
If you have no interest or respect for the magnitude of that responsibility…and I mean this in the nicest, most respectful way…perhaps YOU should leave, because you have no concept of sharing that responsibility and clearly your deepest affections and concerns are for a country different from this one. Your instincts toward responsibility for a country you wish to serve, protect, defend ought to reflect the one you live in and the countrymen you wish to stand shoulder to shoulder with in advancing its safety, security and well being. By everything I have read of yours, THIS country does not fit that description, nor do its people.
You would be much happier surrounded by people who you don’t have to slander on a weekly basis.
When Gov. Perry makes a choice to ALLOW illegal immigrants to obtain yet another benefit, it is a legitimate inquiry…not a racist one…whether such a benefit knocks an opportunity from the hands of one of our actual citizens. It is a legitimate inquiry whether it gives additional impetus to more and more and more attempts to border crashers to come and steal our dwindling resources.
All the benefits of our overburdened, taxed to the max society…which we are now struggling to figure out how to CUT BACK for ourselves…cannot sustain an endless stream of border crashers…and the smothering impact on our police, fire, healthcare and educational systems.
YOU may not like that reality. Cutting off a free lunch is mean spirited to you.
I suggest your best work may be done by making the OTHER side of our border better with all your social upgrade suggestions. I’m sure you can come up with daily suggestions for how they can live better, more productive and happier lives. And nobody will care about anyone’s last name. One issue you could remove from your weekly diatribes immediately. That is, unless the name was that of an American conservative, libertarian or independent.
Perry for president.
He seems to have commonsense.
…the immigration debate gets wrapped up in race and racism, ethnicity and ethnocentrism. The issue isn’t that people are coming illegally, as much as who is coming.
So go preach tolerance to La Raza. And yes, the issue is that people are coming illegally.
You racist white Republicans days are coming to a close. Very soon the Republicans will NEVER win another election due to their bigotry and racism. Many of the states which currently vote for Republicans, will in the near future be DOMINATED by us. So the Republican racists are finished. We will decide who gets elected President from now on. Anyone who opposes our people has ZERO chance of being elected.
We are overpowering you gringos. The days of white supremacy are coming to a close. You gringos will get what you have coming to you…
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.
What a racist you are. And you wonder why Americans are not going to give yet another amnesty. You’ve trashed your own country and now you’re trying it here.
We don’t need your help you gringos. We will get our way soon enough — without your help. We are the future majority. You are irrelevant. We are erasing you from the future of this country. No one cares what you white racists think. Your numbers are diminishing, while ours are exploding. The days of white supremacy are coming to a close. We will see to that. You can’t stop us from taking over. It’s too late for you gringos. We have outsmarted you. We have defeated you pathetic gringos.
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.
Actually, I’m Arab-American and guess what–plenty of so-called Hispanics are White, Arab, Asian, and Black. My Mexican-American niece and nephews don’t speak Spanish, are married to non Hispanic Whites and have non Spanish speaking White kids. THAT is the future of Hispanics in the U.S.–unless they fail to assimilate, in which case they will occupy the place long held by African-Americans. Difference is, Hispanics put themselves into it, by coming here illegally.
Chinga La Raza, pinche cabrone!
Tres Centavos para tu hermana, ?si?
Can I have Fries with that La Raza oh and will you please wipe the table down and sweep the floor.
“As long as college graduates earn much more than those with only a high school diploma, then it just makes sense for Texas to let driven and hard-working students go to college so they can graduate, get good jobs, pay taxes, and contribute to society.”
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Point is, those “hard working” students CANNOT get good jobs because they are here illegally and FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is the only one who can change that. And most Americans do NOT want illegal aliens legalized yet again. Meanwhile, just what is the governor doing for citizens of OTHER states and for legal foreign students? If education is so valuable, why isn’t Texas providing in-state tuition for those students? (Disclaimer: I attended U of T Austin in the 1980s on a University fellowship from another state.)
Rule of Law. RULE OF LAW! That is what we (including chicken processors and other employers who hire ILLEGAL ALIENS) need and want in this country. All of the other arguments are bogus.
By the way, Perry is allegedly the current frontrunner.
Navarette keeps fighting for his fellow hispanics to take over the country. He thinks laws are only for some ,not all. He really is a TOOL!
let’s just stop enforcing all the laws. I mean, if our government is just going to selectively decide which laws they’re going to enforce against which groups- Then what the hell is the point of having laws or a government to begin with. If they’re going to insist I obey the law and pay my taxes, then take the money and give it to folks breakng the law, why not just go to anarchy and be done with it. I’m so tired of sanctuary cities and not enforcing laws against one group then forcing compliance to BS laws by other groups. Holder is using the Justice Department to it seems, randomly enforce or oppose laws on groups based on his prejudice. Do we really want a government run on the basis of prejudice and preference for different groups. I guess folks like Rueben do, if I ever get charged with anything I’m just going to plead selective enforcement as a defense.
There you go again, Lil’ Ruben! Sounding consistently like an emotionally and intellectually challenged three year old. Slyly imputing all sorts of ugly motives and intents to all who honor the Right, Responsible and Realistic way of life.
Listen up, Sonny- There is no right way to do wrong.
People here illegally need to be penalized and deported; not subsidized. The end cannot justify the means. Meretricious behavior must be punished; not rewarded. Else we foster evil, turning our constitutional republic into a chaotic hispanocracy. Do you approve of the way Mexico is run? Then move there and prove it! But you can’t and don’t. The rule there is not a Rule of Law; but a rule of selfishness, greed, hate, envy, lust, sloth, gluttony.
Culturally, stealing, lying, cheating, hating, loafing: is a way of life. A way which does not and cannot work well. It all stems from generic failure to observe the Law. Each one does his own little bit of scofflaw activity and then wonders why everything keeps falling apart. It is because the concept of the Social Contract, wherein all keep all the law all the time, is NOT a part of the basic credo of the citizenry. With a small minority excepted, Mexico is a country hostile to lawkeeping. And without Law and Order, prosperity is impossible. First we establish a peaceful, secure environment; then we develop our economy. To have a peaceful, secure environment we must all strive to keep all the law all the time. Mexico is at least 150 years away from that notion and so we must, in self defense, carefully limit immigration from that Hellhole.
I agree with you. The ends do not justify the means. I thought Pajamas Media was a place where rational arguments were shared. Reuben has proved that is not always the case.
We have already CONQUERED you. You have lost the fight. We are the majority. You are a minority. You are irrelevant. We will get our way — either through nonviolence or with violence if need be. You are a defeated people. We have beaten you.
Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.
Delusional psycho babble from a failed third world invader. Deportation? Si se puede!!!
Dos Centavos para tu hermana, ?si?
MY LAST OFFER: UNO Centavo para tu hermana, ?si?
Typical illegal immigration cheerleading psycho babble from Ruben. BTW, Ruben…a large percentage of Perry’s jobs created were filled by illegal aliens. Citizens? Uhhh, not so much. Not so much at all.
According to the 2010 census, Texas is 45.3% white, 37.6 percent hispanic and 11.8 percent black, yet republicans/conservatives dominate state politics. Why is that? What are they doing that is right? What lessons can we learn that we can apply to the nation as a whole?
On one hand, Texas republicans seem very intent on securing the border to halt illegal immigration but at the same time have included enough hispanics in the republican “big tent” to be elected over and over again to office. Part of it may be that the Texas republicans have shown them enough respect to make them feel included.
I’m all in favor of securing the border, heck I’m in favor of the barbed wire/machine gun nests, mine field plan jokingly mentioned in the last debate. However, for us to think that we can or even should deport million of illegals who have been here for years and have lived straight and productive lives is a fairy tale.
When our nation finally collapses under the weight of debt and liberalism (including illegal immigration) and we who can flee to Canada we might consider whether or not Canadians will want to ship us back across the border.
Doug Johnson writes “However, for us to think that we can or even should deport million of illegals who have been here for years and have lived straight and productive lives is a fairy tale.”
Yes, that is a fairy tale. So why do you repeat a fairy tale? We do not have to deport them. That is a strawman. The illegals can deport themselves. We demagnetize the country by taking away social services for illegals and use E-Verify to take away employment for illegals and then the illegals can scurry south over the border themselves.
All we need is the will to do it. Or have we turned into an effeminate nation?
Is Gov. Rick Perry a keeper of the flame of Our Founding Fathers or a We The Elite People, Washington DC insider?
Let’s analyze his authorization of mandated tuitions for “illegal immigrants.”
In current DOJ and Homeland Security legal lexicon (and forms to go with them) there are 3 basic definitions of immigrants:
1) Illegal alien
2) Legal Immigrant
3) Legal Permanent Resident (LPR)
Under Gov. Rick Perry’s mandate a new classification now exists, that of the Illegal Immigrant.
We know about the Dream Act, we also are aware of some 10 to 20 illegal aliens currently residing in the USA. When and where did these Illegal Immigrants show up?
So, now there is a 4th catagory of foreigner in the USA, namely the illegal immigrant.
Washington DC speak and thinking is devious in its ways and it seems the way is being paved for a back door approach to legalizing the Dream Act (or some version of it) by the We The Elite People, i.e., RNC, DNC, MSM and Wall Street.
This last new catagory of foreigner, Illegal Immigrant, hasn’t a visa, a passport, any authorized documentation, translated birth certificate, background check,etc. Yet, they reside in some city somewhere in the USA.
By Illegal Immigrants (really, illegal aliens) residing in any USA city they, their family, relatives and friends now qualify for all types of government assistance (federal, state, county and municipal). Remember, we’re talking about 20 million people or more.
Now, according to Fox’s Frank Luntz focus group on 9/22/11, this blurring of lines between a Legal Immigrant vs. Illegal Immigrant is complete. Solution, according to the focus group, give the latter LPR status.
The argument now comes full circle. A Legal Immigrant is now the same as an Illegal Immigrant. Washington DC speak and actions has successfully blurred the lines between a lawful, legal process and an unlawful, illegal process.
Ergo, Gov. Rick Perry has shown himself firmly aligned with We The Elite People in Washington DC by ackowledging there exists an Illegal Immigrant in the USA eligible for LPR status and will be a beneficiary of all government largess.
Hispanic is the incorrect term for these Mexican, Peruvians and others from South America; most have no lineage to Spain or Latin descent. Most are South American Indians.Is the use of Hispanic a euphemism? South American Indians, should be proud of their ancestry.
Mr. Navarrette says,
I was not aware that all or even most Republicans hold identical views on this matter. Neither, evidently, are all Republicans — as recent polls on Governor Perry might suggest. Yet according to Mr. Navarrette they apparently do, just as Hispanics must hold the same views and must therefore be fungible for purposes of political analysis. And therein lie at least a few of his fallacies.
Nice try Navarrette but the illegal immigration issue is not just about in state tuition for college age illegals who’re already in line for U.S. citizenship, as innocuous and fair minded as that sounds. While impaling Perry on the Mexican flag for this may be over the top or more accurately, a typical political tactic and a fair game to be played by his adversaries, it should not suppress further questions to Governor Perry or any other candidate about their position(s) on the totality of this problem and how they propose to deal with it. First off, is he willing to recognize it as a problem that is in urgent need of resolution or will he continue the policies of past administrations of both political stripes, to demagogue the issue, perhaps apply a legislative or executive order band aid and let it continue to fester or will he initiate a process first to secure the borders and then to deal with those Mexican illegals who remain in country. No candidate, regardless of his depth of experience with this issue or lack thereof should be allowed to demagogue or skirt an issue that has immense potential consequences, good or bad, depending on the attention it receives.
Or is it true that the illegal immigration of Mexicans across America’s southern border has been so successfully demagogued by Liberal politicians and their media cabal that legal immigrants, specifically hard working, largely Christian, Mexican American immigrants will vote for Obama rather than for a Republican running on a platform of strict enforcement of existing immigration laws as applied to every nationality, including Mexicans? That is perhaps the real question in need of an answer before the answer becomes a foregone conclusion, if that is not already the case.
If race-baiter Ruben supports Perry, perhaps I’ll think my own Perry support.
One of the campaign slogans for whoever the Republican nominee is….
DEPORT REUBEN!!!!
If this nation has the will, if this nation has not become effeminate, if this nation stands for the rule of law then we will remove this blight of illegal immigration. It can be done.
This nation can get the illegals to self-deport. The illegals know the way in, they can find their way out. Take away the welfare, foodstamps, WIC and other giveaways for illegals and take away employment by mandating the use of E-Verify. The illegals will self-deport. They will have to. We can de-magnetize this nation to illegal aliens.
Illegal immigration is a corrupting, corroding blight on this nation. We are a nation of laws. All we need to do is find the will to enforce the law.
Speaking as a Texan, one who is active in the issues of government, I would inform all of you who may be non-Texans that the Citizens of Texas are engaged in a battle to take back control of our state government as well as our Federal Government.
The Texas House and Senate are rife with corruption, self service, arrogance, and a complete disregard for the will of the citizens of our state. For the past two Legislative sessions, and Rick Perry’s entire tenure as our Governor, House and Senate leaders have manipulated our states legislative rules, the calendars, and Committee Chair appointments skillfully to prevent effective, prudent immigration reform legislation from being heard and voted on by either the full House or Senate. Austin Insiders have suggested that our Governor and Lt. Governor, recognizing the apparent contradiction of their “strong positions on illegal immigration” and the actual “legislative facts in Texas” might ruin their political objectives, colluded to deny their fellow Texans the popular, prudent immigration laws we’ve demanded for over a decade.
Dozens of prudent, responsible, popular Immigration Enforcement bills have been introduced in the Texas House for the past two decades. Many of the most recent bills having been modeled after similar bills in other states that have already passed Constitutional tests and become settled state policies. Our power mad martinet State House Speaker Joe Straus, a liberal masquerading as a RINO, elected from a small liberal leaning district, and his cadre of self serving appointed Committee Chairs, manipulated the state process in such fashion as to prevent every single immigration enforcement legislative bill that has been introduced these past two (three if you count the Governor’s special session that kicked off his presidential campaign) legislative sessions. Reliable sources in Austin even suggest that our Governor & Lt. Governor may even have “floated” a few immigration enforcement bills that they knew to be unconstitutional and therefor impossible to pass, having friendly House member introduce these bills as a “favor”, just so the House and Senate Leaders would have some cover from the expected voter backlash in 2012. The arrogance of what’s happening in the Texas Legislature is infuriating, but to give credit where it’s due, the conspiratorial elegance of the manipulation of our legislative process is worth of the best Chicago Politics has to offer!
Essentially, we have a self serving, political opportunist Governor and Lt. Governor, a Liberal masquerading as a Republican House Speaker (after all, the Republican Party was offering money and support to anyone with a pulse, at a time when Democrats couldn’t get arrested let alone elected) all resisting efforts of Citizens to take back control of a Government that no longer represents our views, values or needs. For all involved, except for Texans, this is a win-win. Straus can only be removed as House Speaker if a challenger can best him in a vote of House members. Straus, holding all the patronage and influence promised and threatened the moon to House members who would sign a pledge of fealty to his agenda (even before the previous sessions began). Those House members, at least the high profile members, who opposed Straus’s strangle hold on what bills Texans could pass, saw their districts voted out of existence by more appointed Straus lackeys as part of the redistricting resulting from Republican legislative gains. Certainly, the liberal leaning citizens of Straus district might vote him out of office, but if your an Obama liberal in this most red of red states, having a lefty control legislation and essentially the states Purse, isn’t such a bad thing. Both Perry and Dewhurst benefit because they can talk as big as they want to about immigration on the campaign trail, certain in the knowledge that their croney Straus and his hand picked lackey Chairs back in Austin won’t ever allow any immigration enforcement legislation to pass. Cheap labor interests, the Chamber of Commerce, Mass Immigration lobbyists and all those old school neo-cons still compelling candidates and incumbents to accept their demonstrably failed “big Tent” non-agenda likewise love the status quo. It’s hard to argue that without some tool to attract the disenchanted liberals, GOP Candidates and Incumbents would have to actually do the work we elected them to do if they want to win re-election or higher office. The RNC and GOP leaders whose sole focus is to put more candidates, conservative or not, into office with an R appended to their name, recognize that candidates who will actually take a position, tell the truth, do the job, are hard to elect, even though they are usually the best choice for the people and the problems confronting our citizens. Personally, I can’t think for any incumbent who lost a re-election bid because he didn’t lie to his constituents, or because he did exactly what he promised. Perhaps I’m just naive?
Armed with the massive support of corporate interests and political influence, Texas Republican Leaders have made a decision that I’m certain they will regret in 2012. Texas House and Senate members will likewise regret their decisions to thwart the will of their fellow Texans, but the damage has been done. This doesn’t mean that Texas will become a Blue State by any means. Our recent our 2010 elections in the state demonstrated the power of the Tea Party and the so-called Resistance movement as many Liberal and RINO incumbents were replaced by True Conservatives, and there appears to be no shortage of angry Texans willing to step up and take down a “country club clique” in Austin that refuses to honor and respect the will of the people. They refused to allow any immigration enforcement legislation to be heard, debated and voted on, despite overwhelming support by the majority of Texas residents! It should come as no surprise that, at least with state elections, Governor Perry’s main campaign contributors are primarily corporations and employers who benefit from employing illegal aliens, and state bureaucracies and contractors who likewise benefit from the presence of an unsustainable population of illegal aliens (Dewhurst, Straus, the appointed Committee lackeys, etc,,, likewise are funded by party’s interested in undermining Texans efforts to take back control of our government).
Indeed, the overwhelming majority of the jobs that Perry asserts he’s created in Texas demonstrably went to immigrant workers, legal as well as illegal, with the majority of these new jobs going to that cohort illegal aliens. One can only speculate that if the majority of the “reported” jobs (quantifiable by state employment records) went to illegal aliens or legal immigrants, the number of “unreported” jobs, the cash jobs, the day labor, job-site crew jobs, even the state sub-contracted public works jobs on construction and infrastructure, likewise went to illegal aliens.
I take offense when the same corrupt politicians assert that “Texans” voted for anything other than strict enforcement, when it was the the corrupt House and Senate Leaders who usurped our will in passing Perry’s “educate an illegal” legislation. The same self serving Big Tent GOP Agenda incumbents who continue to undermine the will of the citizens of Texas, and prevent the will of the people serving as the guidance in our own governance. Perry and Dewhurst both need to get back to Texas, call another special legislative session, and get the House and Senate to vote on all the immigration enforcement legislation they prevented from being debated and voted on during the regular session and the called special session. Unless and until this happens, I fail to see how replacing one self serving incompetent in Washington with another actually serves the interests of America’s citizens, our economy or our national security!
Please everyone know that “La Raza” does not speak for most Latino’s. He speaks for a few uneducated people who are every bit as racist as the people he is critical of. Pay no attention to this village idiot.
Pragmatically speaking, the problems of illegal immigration are manifold and indisputable. Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, crumbling infrastructure, diminishing resources and opportunities, vanishing farm land and green space, lack of affordable housing, overcrowded schools, hospitals and jails, crime, pollution, water and energy shortages, food safety and availability concerns, depressed wages, increased tax burdens, the balkanization of our communities, the marginalization of American workers, students, taxpayers and voters, are all the result of unconstrained immigration and lax enforcement. The status quo of ignoring the problems of illegal immigration, indeed all immigration only shorten the time that our nation, our society, our democracy has to address this unsustainable mess.
Regardless of how the media, the cheap labor interests, mass immigration lobbyists, or their self serving political lackeys try to spin the narrative, this isn’t about racism or lack of compassion. One in arguable fact defies any argument that these self serving social engineers ignore.
“Too many people competing for the same limited resources is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, sane, sustainable social, economic or environmental policy”!
There are no problems confronting America and her citizens that would not immediately and measurably benefit from securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws. We cannot hope to spread the concepts of democracy, social justice, and economic equity to other nations, regardless of how much American blood and treasure we spend, so long as our immigration and enforcement policies make it far easier for foreign nationals to violate our borders and take advantage of taxpayer largess. Indeed there is an argument that should be made that all those immigrants too lazy, cowardly, self interested or opportunistic that they prefer to violate our laws rather than work for democratic and economic reforms in the native countries, are hardly the sort of individuals our immigration policies should encourage to come, nor our enforcement practices tolerate to stay!
Virtually ever industrialized nation, China, Mexico, Great Britain, the European Union, Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, Caribbean, all have adopted zero tolerance policies for illegal aliens entering and operating in their communities. The same nations have adopted strict practices for identifying, detaining and deporting illegal aliens and their dependents, with some even exacting criminal penalties and asset forfeiture for illegals, their employers and enablers. These same nations have likewise established policies aimed at curtailing legal or “economic” immigration to only that which is prudent, demonstrably necessary, readily assimilated, fully self supporting, and above all other concerns, limited only to that which is in the best interests of their native populations. It’s dangerously misguided to suggest that the United States not do likewise.
Navvarette, if you like Perry, you would do well to JUST SHUT UP.
Anything you say in support of him on this subject will just count against him with real Americans.
This guy is a comedian ! Well, that may be hyperbole in view of the topic.
Perry certainly resonates with a lot of people in this world, in the US, because they hate the very place so many want to be — Perry is somewhere between McCain and Omamba and that the idea of ‘both barrels’ makes it even funnier.
When being robbed there is little point in asking the robber for a birth certificate and we are indeed being robbed. Those that aid and abet are robbers too, just as the rest of those who hide behind the Constitution and gnaw away at its core.
A vote for Perry is a vote for a slow ugly death that is even more horrific than the Hope ‘n’ Change we’ve gotten already. He’s lucky he only gets boo’d, promising more of the same sugared poison that means protection of law-makers and law-breakers by government so corrupt it cannot stand itself.
Good luck Navarrette, in your run for human being. Better to take a one-eighty over a 45-70.