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		<title>By: deguello</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/on-health-care-obstructionist-charge-a-big-miss/#comment-387710</link>
		<dc:creator>deguello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>POOR CITIZEN: If you take away George Soros,welfare dependent louts, ambulance chasers,illegal aliens,Dr. mengele wannabees,DMV employees, and marxoid  syphillitics,you have one left to support Obama&quot;care&quot;.BTW: I appreciate the sincerityin your handle,but you forgot the rest of it, ie:AND EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POOR CITIZEN: If you take away George Soros,welfare dependent louts, ambulance chasers,illegal aliens,Dr. mengele wannabees,DMV employees, and marxoid  syphillitics,you have one left to support Obama&#8221;care&#8221;.BTW: I appreciate the sincerityin your handle,but you forgot the rest of it, ie:AND EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN.</p>
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		<title>By: Poor Citizen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/on-health-care-obstructionist-charge-a-big-miss/#comment-387356</link>
		<dc:creator>Poor Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you take away big insurance money, the AMA, lunatic fringe, most of the Neo-con (artists) you suddenly get a very smart, cogent opposition to the left wing. But hey, to the smart wing side of the republican party. Its only a suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you take away big insurance money, the AMA, lunatic fringe, most of the Neo-con (artists) you suddenly get a very smart, cogent opposition to the left wing. But hey, to the smart wing side of the republican party. Its only a suggestion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Grey</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/on-health-care-obstructionist-charge-a-big-miss/#comment-386933</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservatives and thinking people oppose the &#039;draft only&#039;(?) big-gov&#039;t will solve the problem bill.  
But it is certainly a tragedy that Reps do NOT have agreement on a health-care insurance voucher system, or any other specific policy alternative.

The crux of the issue is the fact that if one is spending one&#039;s own money, there&#039;s a budget and folks do consider cost-benefits for their particular situation.  If one is spending gov&#039;t OR insurance company money, folks want to maximize the chance of living -- and quite rightly, too.

A $6k / year health insurance voucher, good for treatment at an VA gov&#039;t hospital, would be a good place to start.  But there are too many other good places to start, the Rep party should choose one program and promote it as better than the Dem proposal, and push it instead.

And Steve Samson, do a little homework like look at neo&#039;s own blog, before showing us all such breath taking pomposity.  I write my name, but respect the ideas of those with good ideas even without knowing their name (tho maybe the apple can get even smaller now?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservatives and thinking people oppose the &#8216;draft only&#8217;(?) big-gov&#8217;t will solve the problem bill.<br />
But it is certainly a tragedy that Reps do NOT have agreement on a health-care insurance voucher system, or any other specific policy alternative.</p>
<p>The crux of the issue is the fact that if one is spending one&#8217;s own money, there&#8217;s a budget and folks do consider cost-benefits for their particular situation.  If one is spending gov&#8217;t OR insurance company money, folks want to maximize the chance of living &#8212; and quite rightly, too.</p>
<p>A $6k / year health insurance voucher, good for treatment at an VA gov&#8217;t hospital, would be a good place to start.  But there are too many other good places to start, the Rep party should choose one program and promote it as better than the Dem proposal, and push it instead.</p>
<p>And Steve Samson, do a little homework like look at neo&#8217;s own blog, before showing us all such breath taking pomposity.  I write my name, but respect the ideas of those with good ideas even without knowing their name (tho maybe the apple can get even smaller now?)</p>
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		<title>By: Now and Then</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now and Then</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>24. Calvin Ball:
Of course, they’re a bunch of angry, mean nuts. They don’t have any paper-mache heads!&quot;

It&#039;s not that they don&#039;t have any. It&#039;s that they don&#039;t know how to make them. But they&#039;ve made do.

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/07/28/rep-kratovil-d-md-hung-in-effigy-at-anti-obamacare-rally/

Get it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>24. Calvin Ball:<br />
Of course, they’re a bunch of angry, mean nuts. They don’t have any paper-mache heads!&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that they don&#8217;t have any. It&#8217;s that they don&#8217;t know how to make them. But they&#8217;ve made do.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/07/28/rep-kratovil-d-md-hung-in-effigy-at-anti-obamacare-rally/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/07/28/rep-kratovil-d-md-hung-in-effigy-at-anti-obamacare-rally/</a></p>
<p>Get it?</p>
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		<title>By: Now and Then</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now and Then</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3. Ed Wallis:
&quot; . . . a comment from a German acquaintence&quot;

What a coincidence, I have a few German friends, too. One of them said the other night, &quot;Obama is such a refreshing change from the lack of intellect and vision we saw over the last eight years.&quot;

Shocking, isn&#039;t it? And not a word about Nazis! You conservatives should try that sometime, leaving Nazis out of the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3. Ed Wallis:<br />
&#8221; . . . a comment from a German acquaintence&#8221;</p>
<p>What a coincidence, I have a few German friends, too. One of them said the other night, &#8220;Obama is such a refreshing change from the lack of intellect and vision we saw over the last eight years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Shocking, isn&#8217;t it? And not a word about Nazis! You conservatives should try that sometime, leaving Nazis out of the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tournefort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tournefort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There can be no debate because the Obama Team and the Democrat part of Congress has not released a readable document spelling out the policy that they want to implement.

The government demands detailed, researched Environmental Impact Statements before starting a building. We should have Official Policy Impact Statements before our representatives change our society. ...&quot;

Excellent.

Please send your complete statement to the White House and all members of Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There can be no debate because the Obama Team and the Democrat part of Congress has not released a readable document spelling out the policy that they want to implement.</p>
<p>The government demands detailed, researched Environmental Impact Statements before starting a building. We should have Official Policy Impact Statements before our representatives change our society. &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent.</p>
<p>Please send your complete statement to the White House and all members of Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Sampson:

Stop dictating behavior to other people. Spare us your pompous moralizing and sniveling, supercilious  condescension. It churlish and rude. I can assure you that you are no one&#039;s moral superior here. Take your huffy sense self-importance and go somewhere else if you cannot behave yourself. It is really none of your business how the author wishes to represent herself. She is a well know internet blogger. You appear to be a nonentity, no matter how high your own self-regard may be. You owe the people here an apology for you rude behavior, If you are not man enough to do so then  leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Sampson:</p>
<p>Stop dictating behavior to other people. Spare us your pompous moralizing and sniveling, supercilious  condescension. It churlish and rude. I can assure you that you are no one&#8217;s moral superior here. Take your huffy sense self-importance and go somewhere else if you cannot behave yourself. It is really none of your business how the author wishes to represent herself. She is a well know internet blogger. You appear to be a nonentity, no matter how high your own self-regard may be. You owe the people here an apology for you rude behavior, If you are not man enough to do so then  leave.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew_M_Garland</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/on-health-care-obstructionist-charge-a-big-miss/#comment-385310</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew_M_Garland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 02:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There can be no debate because the Obama Team and the Democrat part of Congress has not released a readable document spelling out the policy that they want to implement.

The government demands detailed, researched Environmental Impact Statements before starting a building. We should have Official Policy Impact Statements before our representatives change our society.

We need proposed results, expected evolution, methods, justifications, comparative studies, past successes of similar policy, funding sources, expected difficulties, the works.

I hope people of all parties and positions could agree that this is fundamental. It is non-partisan to demand that the President and all politicians show how they have carefully researched their proposals.

It is not our job to read tea leaves and pick apart 1000 page bills written in Old English to figure out what the bills are really saying. The bills are not enough. They are implementation, not coherent policy. We have been directed to look only at the bills as a tactic to make the press and public scratch for the underlying ideas.

No company can run without books of account. No government can write legislation without a plan in the background. The plan is there. Let&#039;s see it.

Did Obama (or any politician) start with such a policy study, or not?
If so, then where is it? If not, then he is a fool. And we are fools if we accept legislation without explanation.

Is Obama legislating from some scribbles on a cocktail napkin?
Does he want to pass just anything, then rearrange it later to do what he wants? 

&lt;b&gt;Where is the policy paper?&lt;/b&gt;
If they won&#039;t answer:
&lt;b&gt;OK, so where is the cocktail napkin?&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;No Legislation Without Explanation&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://easyopinionsoutlink.blogspot.com/2009/07/few-words-about-policy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;A Few Words About Policy&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There can be no debate because the Obama Team and the Democrat part of Congress has not released a readable document spelling out the policy that they want to implement.</p>
<p>The government demands detailed, researched Environmental Impact Statements before starting a building. We should have Official Policy Impact Statements before our representatives change our society.</p>
<p>We need proposed results, expected evolution, methods, justifications, comparative studies, past successes of similar policy, funding sources, expected difficulties, the works.</p>
<p>I hope people of all parties and positions could agree that this is fundamental. It is non-partisan to demand that the President and all politicians show how they have carefully researched their proposals.</p>
<p>It is not our job to read tea leaves and pick apart 1000 page bills written in Old English to figure out what the bills are really saying. The bills are not enough. They are implementation, not coherent policy. We have been directed to look only at the bills as a tactic to make the press and public scratch for the underlying ideas.</p>
<p>No company can run without books of account. No government can write legislation without a plan in the background. The plan is there. Let&#8217;s see it.</p>
<p>Did Obama (or any politician) start with such a policy study, or not?<br />
If so, then where is it? If not, then he is a fool. And we are fools if we accept legislation without explanation.</p>
<p>Is Obama legislating from some scribbles on a cocktail napkin?<br />
Does he want to pass just anything, then rearrange it later to do what he wants? </p>
<p><b>Where is the policy paper?</b><br />
If they won&#8217;t answer:<br />
<b>OK, so where is the cocktail napkin?</b></p>
<p><b>No Legislation Without Explanation</b></p>
<p><a href="http://easyopinionsoutlink.blogspot.com/2009/07/few-words-about-policy.html" rel="nofollow"><b>A Few Words About Policy</b></a></p>
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		<title>By: Nolanimrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nolanimrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Emanuel may indeed be so deeply cynical about Republicans that he truly believes they have no principles other than their own selfish drive for power and the need to favor the special interest groups that reward them financially&quot;

It is not cynicism.  That might be open to discussion and debate.  It is projection, and therefore unassailable.  Any opposition just proves it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Emanuel may indeed be so deeply cynical about Republicans that he truly believes they have no principles other than their own selfish drive for power and the need to favor the special interest groups that reward them financially&#8221;</p>
<p>It is not cynicism.  That might be open to discussion and debate.  It is projection, and therefore unassailable.  Any opposition just proves it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed #3 -

Excellent article - thanks for the link.  

What a coincidence that the people who will receive the smallest allocation tend to be mostly conservative.  The Harvard graduates among us can eliminate those pesky seniors and bring down health care costs while simultaneously securing a pretty advantageous demographic shift to a younger population.  You know, kill two birds with one stone (liberals do have a newfound desire for more efficiency in this sense at least - hey, credit where credit is due).  

I am 32 and still have a lot to learn, but I know enough to see that seniors actually have more to contribute to society in their wisdom and experience than many people my age.  After all, they vote in droves and have kept liberals from driving us off a cliff on numerous occasions.  If this plan had been implemented years ago, we might today be systematically euthanizing (they will no doubt select a different the very men and women who kept us, quite literally, from speaking German today.  The health plan as it was written by Pelosi, Reid, and Co. actually infringes on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness - all three.  That Pelosi can&#039;t see the hypocrisy in calling opposition to this monstrosity unAmerican is absolutely mind boggling.  

That graph is a worthless pile of liberal self-centered hogwash, and my graph would be a perfect inversion of it (I&#039;m sure that makes me racist in some sort of convuluted roundabout way).  Social engineers should feel free to experiment amongst themselves, but leave me and my family alone for God&#039;s sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed #3 -</p>
<p>Excellent article &#8211; thanks for the link.  </p>
<p>What a coincidence that the people who will receive the smallest allocation tend to be mostly conservative.  The Harvard graduates among us can eliminate those pesky seniors and bring down health care costs while simultaneously securing a pretty advantageous demographic shift to a younger population.  You know, kill two birds with one stone (liberals do have a newfound desire for more efficiency in this sense at least &#8211; hey, credit where credit is due).  </p>
<p>I am 32 and still have a lot to learn, but I know enough to see that seniors actually have more to contribute to society in their wisdom and experience than many people my age.  After all, they vote in droves and have kept liberals from driving us off a cliff on numerous occasions.  If this plan had been implemented years ago, we might today be systematically euthanizing (they will no doubt select a different the very men and women who kept us, quite literally, from speaking German today.  The health plan as it was written by Pelosi, Reid, and Co. actually infringes on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness &#8211; all three.  That Pelosi can&#8217;t see the hypocrisy in calling opposition to this monstrosity unAmerican is absolutely mind boggling.  </p>
<p>That graph is a worthless pile of liberal self-centered hogwash, and my graph would be a perfect inversion of it (I&#8217;m sure that makes me racist in some sort of convuluted roundabout way).  Social engineers should feel free to experiment amongst themselves, but leave me and my family alone for God&#8217;s sake.</p>
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