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		<title>By: Jeffrey Gray</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/of-bad-and-good-anti-semites/#comment-216500</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to refer back to Evan Maloney&#039;s &quot;victim pyramid.&quot; The left only cares about Christian anti-Semitism, real or imagined, because they consider Jews higher on the &quot;victim pyramid&quot; than Christians. However, Jews are below Muslims, so are considered less &quot;victim&quot; than Muslims, or even &quot;oppressors&quot; vis a vis Muslims. So, Muslim anti-Semitism is understandable, if not justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to refer back to Evan Maloney&#8217;s &#8220;victim pyramid.&#8221; The left only cares about Christian anti-Semitism, real or imagined, because they consider Jews higher on the &#8220;victim pyramid&#8221; than Christians. However, Jews are below Muslims, so are considered less &#8220;victim&#8221; than Muslims, or even &#8220;oppressors&#8221; vis a vis Muslims. So, Muslim anti-Semitism is understandable, if not justified.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote ideologues in error - it should read ideologies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote ideologues in error &#8211; it should read ideologies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/of-bad-and-good-anti-semites/#comment-205344</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oscar, I&#039;ve already agreed that the Pope was right to apologize. If I thought the Jewish people weren&#039;t badly mistreated at that time why would I have said that...think about it. I&#039;m not into discussing the Inquisition, the Crusades, Galileo, or the priest scandal which are used frequently as red herrings with which to distract or stifle. My beloved Jesus and his Blessed Mother were Jewish as were the Apostles and early Christians. I bash my elder brothers I bash them. That&#039;s all.  

The topic was basically asking why the double standard and I was just writing some thoughts down. We are inundated with moral relativists who assume that feelings are the standard for judging morality and they&#039;re growing in number. Take prop 8 and the Mormon Church who voted en masse for it. The relativists literally attacked some of their churches because they felt wronged. They don&#039;t judge with faith and reason which is why people of faith are going to be persecuted in the future. Recently Catholic Charities had to shut down some of their charities because they won&#039;t comply with handing out contraceptives. Soon it will be mandatory to do abortions and the Catholic hospitals will have to shut down or abolish their OB/GYN departments - thousands of them. Currently, the so-called Fairness Doctrine is lurking in the corner because they feel they&#039;re not getting a fair shake despite the fact that the market dictates who we listen to.. Their are two ideologues at work here, one of them judges on feelings, while the other judges on morals. They&#039;re in a stronger position now with Obama in power. It won&#039;t stop. 


“Everything I have said and done is these last years is relativism, by intuition. From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology, and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable. If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories, and men who claim to be the bearers of an objective immortal truth, then there is nothing more relativistic than fascism.” —Benito Mussolini</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oscar, I&#8217;ve already agreed that the Pope was right to apologize. If I thought the Jewish people weren&#8217;t badly mistreated at that time why would I have said that&#8230;think about it. I&#8217;m not into discussing the Inquisition, the Crusades, Galileo, or the priest scandal which are used frequently as red herrings with which to distract or stifle. My beloved Jesus and his Blessed Mother were Jewish as were the Apostles and early Christians. I bash my elder brothers I bash them. That&#8217;s all.  </p>
<p>The topic was basically asking why the double standard and I was just writing some thoughts down. We are inundated with moral relativists who assume that feelings are the standard for judging morality and they&#8217;re growing in number. Take prop 8 and the Mormon Church who voted en masse for it. The relativists literally attacked some of their churches because they felt wronged. They don&#8217;t judge with faith and reason which is why people of faith are going to be persecuted in the future. Recently Catholic Charities had to shut down some of their charities because they won&#8217;t comply with handing out contraceptives. Soon it will be mandatory to do abortions and the Catholic hospitals will have to shut down or abolish their OB/GYN departments &#8211; thousands of them. Currently, the so-called Fairness Doctrine is lurking in the corner because they feel they&#8217;re not getting a fair shake despite the fact that the market dictates who we listen to.. Their are two ideologues at work here, one of them judges on feelings, while the other judges on morals. They&#8217;re in a stronger position now with Obama in power. It won&#8217;t stop. </p>
<p>“Everything I have said and done is these last years is relativism, by intuition. From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology, and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable. If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories, and men who claim to be the bearers of an objective immortal truth, then there is nothing more relativistic than fascism.” —Benito Mussolini</p>
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		<title>By: view from afar</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/of-bad-and-good-anti-semites/#comment-204922</link>
		<dc:creator>view from afar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the blood line thing, for the messiah, now that the mother is now accepted for bloodlines, maybe that explains why a Jewish rabbi here in france said on television &quot;It is time we Jews take the Christ back as one of our own.  He was (is) Jewish, and we need to look at what the Christ reperesents for our people.&quot; I realize that is a very loaded statement,in so many ways, and for anyone who wants to see the statement, I went to FRANCE5 and looked at the 24 decembre 2007 (maybe 2006), however the question and answer section wasn&#039;t included, and that is where I heard this, it was an interesting show though if you speak French- a muslim, a rabbi and a priest discussing who is/was the is Jesus Christ.  It marked me, because as a Christian I believe that when the Jews take back the Christ, it&#039;s all over...but that is what I believe, and I also believe that God&#039;s people are the Jews, and think that something along these thoughts are what Marc Malone was implying (Maybe not?).  Mr Malone seems very tongue-in-cheek, when he comments.
It is amazing how religion seems to hold people in a bag that you must adhere to or else...

Now all of you are totally off on the history thing, the Catholic church was held, mafia like, in the hands of very powerful families in the middle ages and had very little to do with God.  They also used the Jewish people, as they weren&#039;t Christian, and so were not held to the false anti money themes that still dominate the Catholic church today, so they allowed the Jews to exist only in the capacity of money lenders, and part of the Inquistion was backlash against the poverty created by the loans, plus the wealth that the large families realized was escaping their grasp (outside of the church), which is also the agruements that Hitler used to raise hate against the Jews. The Protestants were protesting the abuses of the Catholic heirarchy, and the lack of actual faith in Jesus Christ and God. The Protestants in Ireland were persacuting the Catholics( See Mr Andrew Ian Dodge&#039;s anti Catholic very 1800 British anti papist attitude), and importing the French Protestants, who had the right to convert, death or exile in very Catholic France(which by the way doesn&#039;t admit this happened) and these same Protestants turned around to torture and mistreat the local Irish Catholics... Oh by the way I am a Catholic,and descended from Irish and French (and Scots espicopalians -spelling) catholics, but I was always taught that Jesus was the one who died on the cross, not the church, and that is the salavation. I basically have become one of those evangilicals, partly because it&#039;s so nice to not have to justify who you are (which gets really funky for me), plus you get to recognize that Jesus is a Jew ( he never claimed any other religion), and you can claim Peter too. ok enough religion stuff!

And, most importantly, as for the thread of the article, I believe it&#039;s fear of muslims, too many too different and too well them, plus there is one person in the Catholic church therefore it is very easy to point a finger at the single person, rather than the less politcally correct group name calling thing.

Finally sorry for the typos, spelling errors and total disrespect of the English language,I&#039;m typing fast and dealing with my children, in our traditonal franglais (french and english)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the blood line thing, for the messiah, now that the mother is now accepted for bloodlines, maybe that explains why a Jewish rabbi here in france said on television &#8220;It is time we Jews take the Christ back as one of our own.  He was (is) Jewish, and we need to look at what the Christ reperesents for our people.&#8221; I realize that is a very loaded statement,in so many ways, and for anyone who wants to see the statement, I went to FRANCE5 and looked at the 24 decembre 2007 (maybe 2006), however the question and answer section wasn&#8217;t included, and that is where I heard this, it was an interesting show though if you speak French- a muslim, a rabbi and a priest discussing who is/was the is Jesus Christ.  It marked me, because as a Christian I believe that when the Jews take back the Christ, it&#8217;s all over&#8230;but that is what I believe, and I also believe that God&#8217;s people are the Jews, and think that something along these thoughts are what Marc Malone was implying (Maybe not?).  Mr Malone seems very tongue-in-cheek, when he comments.<br />
It is amazing how religion seems to hold people in a bag that you must adhere to or else&#8230;</p>
<p>Now all of you are totally off on the history thing, the Catholic church was held, mafia like, in the hands of very powerful families in the middle ages and had very little to do with God.  They also used the Jewish people, as they weren&#8217;t Christian, and so were not held to the false anti money themes that still dominate the Catholic church today, so they allowed the Jews to exist only in the capacity of money lenders, and part of the Inquistion was backlash against the poverty created by the loans, plus the wealth that the large families realized was escaping their grasp (outside of the church), which is also the agruements that Hitler used to raise hate against the Jews. The Protestants were protesting the abuses of the Catholic heirarchy, and the lack of actual faith in Jesus Christ and God. The Protestants in Ireland were persacuting the Catholics( See Mr Andrew Ian Dodge&#8217;s anti Catholic very 1800 British anti papist attitude), and importing the French Protestants, who had the right to convert, death or exile in very Catholic France(which by the way doesn&#8217;t admit this happened) and these same Protestants turned around to torture and mistreat the local Irish Catholics&#8230; Oh by the way I am a Catholic,and descended from Irish and French (and Scots espicopalians -spelling) catholics, but I was always taught that Jesus was the one who died on the cross, not the church, and that is the salavation. I basically have become one of those evangilicals, partly because it&#8217;s so nice to not have to justify who you are (which gets really funky for me), plus you get to recognize that Jesus is a Jew ( he never claimed any other religion), and you can claim Peter too. ok enough religion stuff!</p>
<p>And, most importantly, as for the thread of the article, I believe it&#8217;s fear of muslims, too many too different and too well them, plus there is one person in the Catholic church therefore it is very easy to point a finger at the single person, rather than the less politcally correct group name calling thing.</p>
<p>Finally sorry for the typos, spelling errors and total disrespect of the English language,I&#8217;m typing fast and dealing with my children, in our traditonal franglais (french and english)</p>
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		<title>By: Donna V.</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/of-bad-and-good-anti-semites/#comment-204626</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Islam seems to have been content to occupy about one fourth of the world and expand at a slow pace. &lt;/i&gt;

Lynn, Islam wasn&#039;t &quot;content&quot; to stop expanding; it did so because it was stopped by superior military forces.  The only reason we aren&#039;t all bowing to Allah today was because they were stopped at the Gates of Vienna and their spread into Europe was halted.  And the technologically advanced Christian Europeans colonized the New World, so Islam was unable to get a foothold here or in South America.  But being &quot;content&quot; with their little corner of the globe had absolutely nothing to do with it.  They stopped expanding when someone else stopped them.

Now they&#039;re expanding again, because the West has weakened both demographically and militarily (in Europe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Islam seems to have been content to occupy about one fourth of the world and expand at a slow pace. </i></p>
<p>Lynn, Islam wasn&#8217;t &#8220;content&#8221; to stop expanding; it did so because it was stopped by superior military forces.  The only reason we aren&#8217;t all bowing to Allah today was because they were stopped at the Gates of Vienna and their spread into Europe was halted.  And the technologically advanced Christian Europeans colonized the New World, so Islam was unable to get a foothold here or in South America.  But being &#8220;content&#8221; with their little corner of the globe had absolutely nothing to do with it.  They stopped expanding when someone else stopped them.</p>
<p>Now they&#8217;re expanding again, because the West has weakened both demographically and militarily (in Europe).</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar the Grump</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/of-bad-and-good-anti-semites/#comment-204448</link>
		<dc:creator>Oscar the Grump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie 
You can write whole paragraphs and give only three lines.   I&#039;m disappointed in you.

Yes, what you write about is repugnant and an insult to your church.   It&#039;s an insult to humanity in general.   What&#039;s wrong is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie<br />
You can write whole paragraphs and give only three lines.   I&#8217;m disappointed in you.</p>
<p>Yes, what you write about is repugnant and an insult to your church.   It&#8217;s an insult to humanity in general.   What&#8217;s wrong is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: ahad ha'amoratsim</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/of-bad-and-good-anti-semites/#comment-204434</link>
		<dc:creator>ahad ha'amoratsim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Sarah Palin fan mystelf, I will observe that most of the liberal establishment like Sandra Berhnhardt have no more use for Judaism than they do for Gov. Palin or for Christianity, and that while it is true that I have met liberal Jews who are inordinately fearful of non-mainline Christians, many of them are equally fearful of Orthodox Jews and Orthodox Judaism. It&#039;s not so much a case of Jews mistrusting Christians as it is liberals who are noninally Jewish mistrusting those they perceive as subscribing to a religion other than liberalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Sarah Palin fan mystelf, I will observe that most of the liberal establishment like Sandra Berhnhardt have no more use for Judaism than they do for Gov. Palin or for Christianity, and that while it is true that I have met liberal Jews who are inordinately fearful of non-mainline Christians, many of them are equally fearful of Orthodox Jews and Orthodox Judaism. It&#8217;s not so much a case of Jews mistrusting Christians as it is liberals who are noninally Jewish mistrusting those they perceive as subscribing to a religion other than liberalism.</p>
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		<title>By: LynnS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LynnS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that if the leaders of Islam were held to the same standard as the leaders of the Catholic Church it would be a good thing.  I also think that if the leaders of the Middle East were held to the same standard as the leaders of Israel that would be a good thing.

I think that there are also many brave Westerners who do not defend, justify, or excuse the hate and often violent expressions of hate toward the Jewish People.  Many westerners have also been the target of that same hatred and they are fighting at this moment against it here and overseas with words and with deeds.

I come from German, Irish, French and English ancestors and I take ownership of their words and deeds good and evil.  I am a believer in G_d and a believer in Jesus.  I am not a believer in Mohammad.  I am an infidel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if the leaders of Islam were held to the same standard as the leaders of the Catholic Church it would be a good thing.  I also think that if the leaders of the Middle East were held to the same standard as the leaders of Israel that would be a good thing.</p>
<p>I think that there are also many brave Westerners who do not defend, justify, or excuse the hate and often violent expressions of hate toward the Jewish People.  Many westerners have also been the target of that same hatred and they are fighting at this moment against it here and overseas with words and with deeds.</p>
<p>I come from German, Irish, French and English ancestors and I take ownership of their words and deeds good and evil.  I am a believer in G_d and a believer in Jesus.  I am not a believer in Mohammad.  I am an infidel.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Besig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Besig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I am Jewish I am reluctant to take what a German writes at face value even though I know that the individual who wrote this had nothing to do with the WWII massacre of my People.  Indeed, as a modern German, Mr. Lehming is probably much more knowledgeable and insightful regarding modern European/Eurabian anti Semitism than most Europeans.  The reason the Catholic Church is held to a higher standard, and rightly so, is that it has a name and an address, that is, the Pope Benedict who lives in the Vatican.  Islam on the other hand has no central focus and each fatwa or leader has no particular identity or address.  Even the Iranian madman, Achmadinejad, is only singled out occasionally for his anti Jewish outbursts, and even then he has many Western defenders who will deny, justify, excuse, or simply explain away his more excessive hate expressions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I am Jewish I am reluctant to take what a German writes at face value even though I know that the individual who wrote this had nothing to do with the WWII massacre of my People.  Indeed, as a modern German, Mr. Lehming is probably much more knowledgeable and insightful regarding modern European/Eurabian anti Semitism than most Europeans.  The reason the Catholic Church is held to a higher standard, and rightly so, is that it has a name and an address, that is, the Pope Benedict who lives in the Vatican.  Islam on the other hand has no central focus and each fatwa or leader has no particular identity or address.  Even the Iranian madman, Achmadinejad, is only singled out occasionally for his anti Jewish outbursts, and even then he has many Western defenders who will deny, justify, excuse, or simply explain away his more excessive hate expressions.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oscar, yes, rightly Pope John Paul apologized so why bring it up? I mean it wasn&#039;t even pertinent to the topic. Sorry if I misunderstood your use of it as I assumed it was used as a club.   

Donna, Yes, there were periods where we didn&#039;t uphold Church Doctrines however it was not as extreme as the revisionists portray. 

GW Bush did more for Aides in Africa than any other world leader past or present yet was rarely, if ever, mentioned by the MSM.  


“Why is the moral bar set very high for Bishop Richard Williamson, but extremely low for the Muslim world?” 

I got off on a tangent in my previous post while attempting to answer this question. Briefly, I would say Double Standards. The MSM follows moral relativism for some and moral absolutes as the standard for others. The criteria for relativism is changeable, subjective and  individual. While moral absolutism claims that there are moral principles that are unchangeable, objective, and universal. 

Moral Relativism assumes that feelings are the standard for judging morality. Traditional morality says morality is the standard for judging feelings.

It’s not reason, but the abdication of reason that is the source of moral relativism. Relativism is not rational, it is rationalization. It is not the conclusion of a rational argument. It is the rationalization of a prior action. It is the repudiation of the principle that passions must be evaluated by reason and controlled by will. People in our culture are being convinced that this is oppressive and unhealthy and inauthentic. If we embrace the opposite principle, and let passion govern reason, rather than reason govern passion, there is little hope for morality or for civilization.   

Moral relativism appeals to no moral law so what will deter a now-tolerant America from turning to a future intolerance against any group it decides to disenfranchise. It is unborn babies today, born babies tomorrow. Respect for the elderly and infirmed today, Euthanasia tomorrow. Homophobes today, perhaps homosexuals tomorrow. In fact, the same absolutism that homosexuals fear because it is not tolerant of their behavior may end up being their only secure protection against intolerance of their persons. 

“Everything I have said and done is these last years is relativism, by intuition. From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology, and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable. If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories, and men who claim to be the bearers of an objective immortal truth, then there is nothing more relativistic than fascism.”       —Benito Mussolini</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oscar, yes, rightly Pope John Paul apologized so why bring it up? I mean it wasn&#8217;t even pertinent to the topic. Sorry if I misunderstood your use of it as I assumed it was used as a club.   </p>
<p>Donna, Yes, there were periods where we didn&#8217;t uphold Church Doctrines however it was not as extreme as the revisionists portray. </p>
<p>GW Bush did more for Aides in Africa than any other world leader past or present yet was rarely, if ever, mentioned by the MSM.  </p>
<p>“Why is the moral bar set very high for Bishop Richard Williamson, but extremely low for the Muslim world?” </p>
<p>I got off on a tangent in my previous post while attempting to answer this question. Briefly, I would say Double Standards. The MSM follows moral relativism for some and moral absolutes as the standard for others. The criteria for relativism is changeable, subjective and  individual. While moral absolutism claims that there are moral principles that are unchangeable, objective, and universal. </p>
<p>Moral Relativism assumes that feelings are the standard for judging morality. Traditional morality says morality is the standard for judging feelings.</p>
<p>It’s not reason, but the abdication of reason that is the source of moral relativism. Relativism is not rational, it is rationalization. It is not the conclusion of a rational argument. It is the rationalization of a prior action. It is the repudiation of the principle that passions must be evaluated by reason and controlled by will. People in our culture are being convinced that this is oppressive and unhealthy and inauthentic. If we embrace the opposite principle, and let passion govern reason, rather than reason govern passion, there is little hope for morality or for civilization.   </p>
<p>Moral relativism appeals to no moral law so what will deter a now-tolerant America from turning to a future intolerance against any group it decides to disenfranchise. It is unborn babies today, born babies tomorrow. Respect for the elderly and infirmed today, Euthanasia tomorrow. Homophobes today, perhaps homosexuals tomorrow. In fact, the same absolutism that homosexuals fear because it is not tolerant of their behavior may end up being their only secure protection against intolerance of their persons. </p>
<p>“Everything I have said and done is these last years is relativism, by intuition. From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology, and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable. If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories, and men who claim to be the bearers of an objective immortal truth, then there is nothing more relativistic than fascism.”       —Benito Mussolini</p>
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