Obfuscation: Dems Push Gun Control To Hide ‘Gunwalker’ Scandal
A handful of Democratic lawmakers in Congress and a fish cop held a press conference Friday to announce a new gun control proposal, the “Stop Gun Trafficking and Strengthen Law Enforcement Act.” The proposed law has no chance of passing, and seems orchestrated as a Democratic response meant to draw attention away from the still-developing “Gunwalker” scandal:
U.S. Representatives Carolyn B. Maloney (D-NY), Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD), ranking member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) will join other members and a leading law enforcement organization for an event Friday, July 15th, 11:00 a.m. at the House Triangle to introduce the “Stop Gun Trafficking and Strengthen Law Enforcement Act,” which establishes a dedicated firearms trafficking statute to empower law enforcement to keep high-powered firearms out of the hands of dangerous criminals, including Mexican drug cartels.
The exact same agencies that would be charged with enforcing the proposal are currently under investigation — and may eventually face felony charges — because they broke existing laws and participated in widespread gun trafficking. To borrow from a reader, the federal government is using federal agencies to break federal laws so that same federal government can impose more federal laws on the people that did not break the law.
It is Orwellian in its absurdity, and yet entirely real.
For those of you arriving to the story late, the scandal of Gunwalker began when ATF whistleblowers testified about a multi-agency federal program in Arizona called “Operation Fast and Furious.” The program was carried out by a multi-agency task force involving elements of the Department of Justice; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives; the Federal Bureau of Investigation; the Drug Enforcement Agency; and the Internal Revenue Service. It would also have likely required the involvement of the Department of State and the Department of Homeland Security.
As executed, the plot allowed straw purchasers to buy thousands of firearms and deliver them to Mexican drug cartels, presumably so that the ATF could learn who the primary gun smugglers were inside the cartels in order to shut them down. It was recently revealed, however, that at least some of the men the ATF were seeking may have been paid informants for the FBI and DEA.
Within the past week, evidence has emerged suggesting that the plot was not confined to Arizona. Similar programs existed in at least three other regions, including an operation that may have been called “Castaway” that shipped roughly 1,000 firearms to the violent gang MS-13 in Honduras from a multi-agency operation based in Tampa.
Well, this is what the scandal was created for. They’re just sticking tenaciously to the plan, regardless of getting outed.
It’s like Apollo 13 having the explosion and deciding to go to the moon anyway. This will be interesting to watch.
how many of you are surprised at this regimes willingness to violate the law in order to dissarm the AMERICAN PEOPLE?? sounds a lot like hitler prior to world war two. or does anyone remember that??
Surprised that gun-banners will stick to the gun-banning plan when caught? Nope.
Surprised that the MSM will a) ignore the story that puts the ATF in a bad light and b) keep mum on a story that shows treason at the highest levels? Nope.
Frankly if you took a cross section of “Unintended Consequences” and several other similar pieces of fiction the entire Gunwalker plot would look right at home in the fiction. About the only thing surprising about ANY of this is that our Congress is actually holding SOME of the players up to the light.
One person in the MSM is on it — Sharyl Attkisson of CBS. Just for kicks, I’ve e-mailed ABC and asked them to please report on it as well. I’m going to do the same for NBC. I suggest others do the same.
Just for laughs (all it takes is a copy-paste), I’m also going to contact MSNBC and CurrentTV, the Al Gore media empire that now hosts Keith Olbermann. If he wants viewers, that would do it.
Oct 2008-Dr Alan Keys-” Obama is a dangerous COMMUNIST- either we stop him or he will destroy America. I warned the people of Illinios, and now Im warning America”. 53% of the voters chose not to listen, and the words of Dr Keys ring truer than ever. And not only Obama-over half the Ds in Congress are closet marxists. It might be time to tear down the whole thing and start again.
It’s not just that Obama is a communist. He can’t destroy the US system alone and he does have a lot of help. But also remember that there are a lot more US citizens who are conservative than leftists. It’s just that a significant number of power-mongers have somehow been “elected” to office and are carrying out a plan to turn the US into a third world dictatorship.
The problem is systemic in nature; Going back several generations but with the now aging hippie generation coming of age and wanting to create the perfect utopia. Is this not the goal of all Marxist/Leninist elites? And, the fact that many of them don’t have a shred of experience or credibility is the perfect example of how bad it’s gotten.
But “starting over” is not the answer, for that is exactly what they want to do. More accurately a return to constitutionalism, endorsing and adhering to the rules that were set forth so long ago that still apply today, and electing government officials who understand what it means to “serve the people”.
Too many think it means to “help themselves” and that to serve the people means giving money away. Many, many politicians become wealthy while in office. Why is that? Why has that never really been examined? And the other phenomenon is that so very often a great many little cliques are established that override the rule of government and set up a nice little scam that services their needs.
Then, of course, there’s that whole “ruling class” argument that is validated every single day repeatedly. It’s especially annoying when someone who’s such an idiot, like Nancy Pelosi, thumbs her nose at “lesser” but clearly much more intelligent and capable people and calls herself “important”.
The structure of our government is fine but in its current iteration is being usurped and bastardized to only resemble what it really should be, with the kids in office not caring too much how it looks. The frustrating part, of course, is that the fox is watching the henhouse and no one’s being called out on anything. Issa is apparently a one-man show in that regard and I’m really angry that not every republican is on the warpath to join him.
very well said
…just like Climategate –you can see it written on their foreheads, “Just act like Climategate never happened”.
I doubt anyone cares what Democrats do anymore … Especially in the 48 States that now have CCW laws.
Got to give an a hat tip for trying though. But it’s too late now for the Holder – Baobab regime … It’s always the coverup.
It’s 49 now. Even blue, blue Wisconsin finally joined the brotherhood of states no longer trampeling the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. The lone holdout is unsurprisingly Chicago, the tail wagging the dog that is Illinois. The poor people that live south of Springfield should rise up and demand their secession from that cesspool full of progressives on the lake. Chicago will eventually rot from within.
Illinois is quite the head case. Much of the state is relatively rural/small town in nature, filled with folks who own guns. Unfortunately, a lot of those folks have aided and abetted the Madigan/Obama/Emil Jones machine for decades by voting “Democrat” – assuming (idiotically) that Harry S. Truman types still run their party. Between these useful, downstate idiots and the full-blown communist hordes that infest Chicago, Illinois is in a bad, bad way.
In most places, “may-issue” means “won’t-issue.” There is still a significant number of states where a person cannot carry a weapon legally.
It may well be 49, but try to get a CCW permit in MD, ol’ “Bloody Hands” Cummings’ home state. better yet, take a walk downtown OC….see how far you get.
I won’t say obtaining a CCW not possible in MD, but isn’t practical to try. Unless, of course, you LIKE being laughed at when you’re applying.
MD is a ‘might’ or ‘could’ issue state, but mostly a ‘don’t’ issue state. Unless you’re LEO related or $$$$$$$ related, don’t even waste your time. BTDT, still have the DENIED request. Got it in another state, and stay out of the Peoples Republik of MD as much as possible.
Do NOT assume that the Wisconsin issue is anywhere near settled. It has been state law for a very long time that citizens had the LEGAL right to OPENLY carry firearms and yet if a person did so in a legal fashion there are a number of cities here that would jail you and run a crusade to destroy you for doing what they view as a direct threat to the powers that be in that community.
I know a guy named Brad Krause in the city of West Allis who got a first hand taste of how the community leaders view the 2nd Amendment as a challenge to their absolute authority. Long story short – he WAS a rental property manager whose person, spouse, and property had been targeted be ex-tenants resulting in his constant open carrying of a 9mm in a side holster.
The city arrested him while he was working in his enclosed backyard (he’d not confronted anyone and was just out planting a tree), charged him with disorderly conduct, destroyed his firearm, harassed his employers, friends, and supporters and after the case was dismissed threatened him with “justice” (outside the legal system – and under the jail) should he EVER be observed with a firearm in THEIR city again.
You’d better believe they are firmly behind both the lawsuits against the Wisconsin bill AND recall efforts to change the state back to liberal control. This is not a done deal here – far from it.
Moveon, Afsme, and the SEIU have made Wisconsin the Gettysburg of the war between liberals and Conservatives for reasons I have yet to fully grasp and they are throwing astounding amounts of money (tens of millions of $) around to take the state back.
Well, they could start by ordering BATFE to arrest the Attorney General. And maybe the President, if information can be developed proving his participation in what can only be defined as a criminal conspiracy to violate both U.S. and Mexican law, ending in multiple homicides. (In fact, very multiple ones.)
But first, at least the upper echelon of BATFE would have to be arrested, on the same charges. I’d suggest the U.S. Marshals’ Service get the job.
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This is a lame attempt on the part of the Democrats to divert attention from the “Fast and Furious” scandal. It just goes to show you to what lengths some members of Congress are willing to carry water for both Eric Holder and the Obama administration.
But what these fools don’t really realize is that this scandal has all the makings of being much worse than Watergate. Why? Because people actually were killed in this scandal, unlike what happened in Watergate. Eric Holder is going down, maybe even Janet Napolitano. There is absolutely no way a major operation like this could have happened without the approval of some powerful people, either the Attorney General, Director of Homeland Security, and maybe even the President of the United States. Bureaucracies just don’t work that way. There is way too much of a CYA mentality in our federal bureaucracy, so nothing big gets done without A LOT of people approving it. So it’s just a matter of time before this is all exposed.
But as in Watergate, it’s the coverup that kills the administration. Rather than just coming clean with the American public and admit that this was an operation that, um, “backfired,” the administration is trying to cover its tracks and is only making matters worse. It will all come apart in the coming year, even though the main stream media is STILL trying to protect Obama from getting any blame for this. But no matter what the main stream media does, the facts will certainly take down a lot of big people, Holder being one of them.
I remember watergate, I seem to recall fear, ignorance, and denial in the coverup when the Nixon administration got caught. This administration has no fear, it is arrogant beyond anything any of us have ever seen. I am sure they are completely 100% positive that they will simply obfuscate, humiliate the opposition and walk away.
A Special Prosecutor is needed now. If the American people get nothing more than the humiliation and downfall of this administration, that’s OK with me. Some jail time wouldn’t hurt, but I doubt it.
By the way, I’m sure you all know this, but gun control has never been about fighting crime. It is totally about disarming the U.S. citizens so that it will be that much easier to fundamentally change America.
Good Luck Obama, I hope you have none.
Even if by some miracle an independent counsel was appointed, what makes you think he’ll accomplish anything? If he tries, he’ll be sacked. Remember the “Saturday Night Massacre” of 1973? Anyone think Holder would resign rather than carry out the Supreme Potentate’s orders?
Of course, given the nature of the current regime it’s just as likely the independent counsel would simply disappear a la Jimmy Hoffa. No paper trail that way.
I’m shocked that so many of our political figures – Obama, Holder, Hillary Clinton (maybe Bill too), Napolitano, Alexrod, Jarret, Emanuel (and possibly many of their senior staff members) may have had knowledge of an ongoing criminal conspiracy and didn’t report it to the proper authorities as required by law. I sure hope that isn’t the case.
I am shocked that you are shocked.
Did you expect anything else?
I think it was sarcasm.
Whenever the DOJ “investigation” is completed, Issa and Grassley should shut down Congress until they get EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION they need to do a thorough investigation, including an independent prosecutor to, at the very least, clarify that what Obama’s DOJ did was illegal and that there was in fact a coverup, and hopefully (whether this is a pipe dream or not) find enough evidence to warrant conspiracy charges.
I’m hoping that there are some people who knew about this who will come forward without the Holder’s knowledget to testify or at least give some valuable information. Also, where are the Pulitzer hounds at the Times and Post and Alphabet networks?; there has to be a couple real journalists that are willing to get their hands dirty and be willing to bring Obama’s DOJ down for personal glory, despite their probable liberal political beliefs.
The average John and Jane Doe so far have no idea of the discipline and in particular the disciplined nature that a committed cadre of true believers (“a vanguard”, their term) possess in that they have traveled this far successfully and though repeatedly exposed in the media “mainstream” and “alternative”, as to whom and what they truly “are”. Well’ they continue on their merry way mawing through the passive cadaver of America’s body & soul politic. Regrettably even Pajamas Media is guilty of holding in abeyance the full rebuke that this administration so obviously requires (daily,constantly, repeatedly) deciding all too often on a posture of a cringing polite soul, needing to remain civil tongued as the “other” side ( they are the “other”) surgically preps to remove the tongues that will wag in dissent against them. Editorially I suspect PJ Media knew what it was and has gotten from this Administration, and not surprisingly you were disappointed. Yet you continue to hold back and euphemistically choose to “keep your powder dry”, waiting for what? See the whites of their eyes….as they put the barrel of a gun in your mouth. Timothy Geithner preps us to prepare to “suffer”. Eric Holder preps us on appropriate Banana Republic behavior in response to gun running. Pelosi and Biden present a primer on “cult worship 101″. All of us are living vicariously and subjectively through this new normalcy. This new “normal” is getting more and more uncomfortable. Especially when dissent minded media outlets allow extenuating circumstances (civility?) to incline towards timidity and tentativeness. Times require more jawing, less fawning. Read Tim Geithner’s Wikipedia bio. He and an Obama share and equally existential childhood. This is neither good or bad. Bad for me. Neither good for you. Read the ingredients on the side of the package prior to purchase. We could have prevented a terrible case of national agita.
I feel sorry for Carolyn McCarthy. She lost her husband to an insane black immigrant who was a crazy racist who hated whites and Asians. She is a simple person who affixed her blame for the tragedy on guns (which in the case of her husband’s murder, was purchased by violating California’s strict handgun laws). Perhaps it would have been more useful if she had become concerned about lax immigration laws or racism. But like I said, she is a simple person so she found her home in the Democrat party.
dont feel sorry for the leftist extrmist Carolyn Maloney. I feel sorry about what happened to her husband, But the racist pig Colin Ferguson murdered him, not me or you. Mrs Maloney SHOULD be concerned with why the punk Ferguson is still alive and likely surviving in jail as a moslem convert. My guns didnt kill her husband, yet she wants to take everyone elses away. Shes just another marxist, who puts her political ideology ahead of whatever (little) common sense she might have. She deserves no sympathy.
Darth, it was Carolyn McCarthy, a natural mistake. Maloney is another leftist wack from NYC, Central Station for wacks. McCarthy is remarkable for the unfathomable depth of her stupidity, possibly even stupider than Sen Patty Murray. During the Clinton trial the Dems sent lawyers around to the House offices to explain the issues. On the air the poor dumb broad admitted she couldn’t begin to understand it. I am tempted to say typical of leftist slugs.
It’s normal protocol for the Left to place the blame on the act instead of the actor and to use events to force more laws and more of their favorite agenda item, regulation.
We always hear the guns are killing people, as in Chicago street youth blowing each other away.
No, the morons pulling the triggers are killing people.
Dan Freedman from Hearst Newspapers is speaking about “Fast And Furious” on C-SPAN this morning:
http://www.cspan.org/Events/Washington-Journal-for-Saturday-July-16/10737422887/
Of course they are hiding Op Gunrunner. Ds are communists first, and they need any excuse possible to take away our guns so we cant fight back. Maybe they should ask why MS13, an ultra-violent gang composed entirely of illegal aliens from Central America , needed the ATF to supply them with automatic weapons on US soil? ms13 does not exist in Central America, they exist in American big citites. So why was the Tampa ATF office allowing sales to MS13 straw buyers? They WANTED those guns in the hands of an ultra violent street gang, to establish the narrative that we need tougher gun laws on AMERICANS, not on MS13 or the Drug Cartels(if I might ask Mr Aholeder, where is your juristiction in Mexico?)
i keep hearing that folks are afraid to complain about the wanton lawlessness of this administration because they fear aggression by blacks.
makes perfect sense. half-men afraid of half-wits. now i understand. color me surprised.
As much as I dislike special prosecutors, one is needed for this. I can’t believe that this cover up by the anti-gun crowd isn’t coordinated.
It is always amazing that the mostly anti-gun media find misuse of weapons like this and the SWAT raid against the person with a student loan delinquency tolerable and not pursued as they do with a mass killing by some citizen.
The government misuse of weapons and force is certainly more of a threat to citizens’ rights than the irrational random murders. Note that it is much harder to protect oneself from government violence than from that perpetrated by fellow citizens.
“Americans don’t need more gun laws.”
A listing of the top 100 longest Wiki pages shows the one cataloging State gun laws comes in at #10. Mind you, that’s just State not Federal gun laws.
No we don’t need any more gun laws. OTOH, if this many laws have still not disarmed America I suspect it’s unlikely more will either. With the number of guns already in Americans hands more laws do nothing but further disarm those already too timid, subjugated or sold out to care. If things got so ugly so as to prompt the State to decide to forcibly disarm the rest of America that would be self-limiting since by their nature guns are what would be used to prevent such an event.
That event is hard to imagine now but the experiences of Argentina in 2000 and the Soviet Union in the early 90′s shows you don’t need a Mad Max world, just a completely collapsing economy, to push people to desperate measures. The trajectory of our economy is too similar to these examples to dismiss getting prepared for the worst. Interestingly, the adage that an armed society is a polite society will be the mitigating factor that will most likely save us from total disaster.
I’m kind of surprised Holder didn’t hire Eddie Espinoza to work with him. He could’ve met with him in some dark garage, granted him immunity, and said, “You’re my kind of scum.”
Snake, don’t make invidious comparisons! Espinoza did it for money. Cartels have lots of cash and he wanted some for himself. Improper but understandable.
These other creeps took taxpayer money to give guns to mortal enemies of the taxpayer so that the taxpayer could be rendered helpless. Their actions are unspeakable.
We are in the very early stages of this societal conflict. Things have not played out; we do not know the mets and bounds of the problem. Yet. But it is very disquieting how our politics has bifurcated at the very beginning. The initial call from the powerful legislator, Congressman Cummings, was not to interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation, a most valid concern. However, he has immediately brought forward a very poor report, and now introduced added legislation, endorsed by several known anti gun northern Congresspersons. A pattern is developing.
It would be simplistic to call this reverse racism. A more accurate label, would be unconstitutional racial regionalism. There is a powerful coalition in America, who despise and fear southern white men, and their mores. Some of their leaders have been injured in the past by armed white men, some are just demagogues. Their clear prime purpose is to disarm this set within our society. Legal, and constitutional limits on their tactics and strategy are irrelevant to their actions. Congressman Cummings is at, or beyond the point, where he has become an obstacle to revealing possible criminal conduct by members of his own party. He knows that sworn officers have been murdered, and innocents have been slaughtered due to malfeasance within our DOJ. He sits on an ethical razor blade. He faces a most difficult decision, reversing a life long, deeply held, visceral position. He knows that his nation can not survive without living within the law. People will continue to die violently, until Americans join together to stop the killing. Yet he just muddies the waters.
I pray for him, and our nation.
Cummings, as a discplined party member, will choose his party over his nation every time – just as would every loyal Democrat. The strategy was determined many years ago, and nothing – not even the murder of U.S. law enforcement officials or the massacre of innocent civilians – will deter the “progressives” from moving forward. Their goal is clear: strip decent, regular Americans of the ability to defend themselves, whether against the half-feral, sociopathic young American blacks who control every single one of our major cities or militarized “civilian” police. It’s not just white Southern males who the “progressives” hate and fear: it’s anyone who doesn’t worship at the altar of socialism. “Law” means nothing to them. They sneer at it, and follow it only when it suits their purpose.
And the state of Maryland will continue to gerrymander the districts (look them up some time!) to ensure the Cummings remains in office for as long as he wants.
This is what happens when one party or the other takes hold of a state.
The ONLY thing this proves is that NONE of our politicians can be trusted. How long has it taken Issa to “threaten” to supoena witnesses? How long do you think you would be running free after committing felony Federal gun law violations? Weeks? Months? Minutes? This is all a show for our benefit and the fact that the Senators canNOT be bothered with it shows the game. One senator that was concerned could stop the entire show with a real filibuster. But, we all now know, the filibuster was part of the rules to allow people of principle to stand up and voice their concerns. We know what is missing today.
To borrow from a reader, the federal government is using federal agencies to break federal laws so that same federal government can impose more federal laws on the people that did not break the law.
Re: this week’s so called Executive Order
Reportedly, the kinds of controls Obama seeks on sales in 4 southwestern states were already being done on a voluntary basis. And when gun shop owners expressed reservations about the AFT’s gun running op, they were told to go ahead and make the sales.
The fact that very little to no tracing was attempted on the guns that were allegedly going to lead to cartel bigwigs (about which the FBI already knew) is the giveaway that the real purpose of Fast and Furious was an orchestrated and underhanded attack on the 2nd amendment.
Was the gun running done to land a bigger fish? -The global arms treaty of the U N.- If so that tells me that our rulers are just puppets of something more sinister.
Perhaps so, but there is a similar Inter-American small arms treaty in the works too. I’d bet this treaty is the real threat, and the UN treaty is a stalking horse. Politicians will be able to brag they voted down the UN treaty while they quietly allow the Inter-American treaty to pass ‘since it is so vitally necessary to protect Mexico’.
BTW, if Mexico is under threat Mexico should take care of itself. It can request the extradition of every U.S. official who colluded to break Mexican smuggling laws. How about that?
Orwellian? Do they still teach Animal Farm in those federally stimulated schools anymore, or is it all mandated “social justice” and “sensitivity training” classes so the state can, say, cut future military costs and hopefully draft enough rural straight southern males for a future gay integrated army to liberate those Muslim sisters in foreign lands? Volunteer armies are expensive (30 percent more so on a comparative conscription wage basis), and the effete urban middle class is not going to show up no matter how cosmopolitan and hip, short of a depression. Orwellian is watching one party of borrowers bargaining with the other party of borrowers over raising the federal credit card level for the pig out the Romans called bread and circus, all at the lenders (the current sheep and future lambs yet to be born) expense. This is going to end badly; in the real world, the lenders quit lending at three percent and straight males are not going to volunteer (get drafted) to share a hell hole with a real flamboyant Polk Street Corporal Clinger 24/7. The feminists in charge of the charge card are exempt. Guess we’re going to have a Potemkin military, like most of the Europeans have–all though the Swiss citizen, still subject to an instant draft, keep their fully auto assault rifles home in the closet with no mass murders. I gather the Swiss were never big into being multicultural and gender bending. But the French and Italians can’t even evict a former camel herder and current tent sleeper from Libya with the permission of the Arab League–a Libya that lost a war with Chad! Writing of the backward Germans from advanced imperial London, Marx remarked “of you the story is told,” but modern neo-Marxists without knowing it seem to think retrograde windmill investments modeled on Mao and Malthus is progress in energy development. Meantime, the Arab Spring is happening in arab states that are not oil producers; Egypt and Syria cannot currently feed their populations without importing food, and by the end of the year those governments are broke as they experience capital flight. Their people will starve and their governments will go the way of the Weimar Republic of Germany. Italy is following Greece’s financial debacle, and there’s not enough money to bail out the European sovereign debts without defaults, much less the arab states, as European lenders bail for US treasuries. No wonder the US interest rates are low, especially with the state borrowing from itself through the fed, printing money. Pretty soon for every dollar spent fifty cents will be borrowed; I believe that was the debt level of the Ancien Régime, France, circa 1789, but I don’t mean to imply that economic determinism and cold starving french peasants are decisive. Ideas do have consequences, and the arabs do enjoy a warm balmy mediterranean climate, but Jeffersonian democracy will probably not be the result in Cairo or Mexico city.
It’s difficult to impose socialism on an unwilling and armed populace. They are pushing us to the breaking point and they are scared. They don’t have to worry about the pacifist, unarmed Lefties but they do have to worry about we bitter climbers because we won’t go quietly into the goodnight.
Arm yourselves people.
Darn auto correction, I meant “bitter clingers”
You think that’s bad? One of my spell checkers routinely wants to change “Klingon” to Clinton”. Totally unacceptable — Klingons, after all, have a very strong sense of honor.
Here we have a scandal that blows “Watergate” out of the water and the only ones reporting it are in independent media. If anyone doubts that our “mainstream” media are fully propagandizing for this administration, then they are a fool.
As an observer, here in the GREAT WHITE NORTH,registration does lead to confiscation. Even to the extent of allowing an online data base for criminals to seize the firearms….
You see the lefties are indifferent to criminals having firearms as long as the citizens are disarmed.
It seems the Dems in the US are closing the gate behind the horse…..what with record sales of firearms and ammo since 2008…those will require extremely thorough home invasions(near demolition)then likely to find only a small fraction.
There are more points I don’t see being acknowledged which further prove this was TREASON!
(1) While ATF was ORDERING dealers to make these sales over their vociferous objections, they were also colluding with Washington Post and others to publish articles BLAMING THE DEALERS for making the sales — the very same sales they’d been ORDERED to make!
(2) They keep claiming the object was to “take down a cartel” yet:
(a) This was all hidden from the Mex.gov – the only people with the jurisdiction to make such an arrest
(b) This was all hidden from ALL US PERSONNEL on the ground in Mexico as well!
(c) All the above were even blocked from accessing *ANY* IT/database info about *ANY* of the guns included in the aforementioned purchases!
(d) When Darren Gil — ATF Liason to the Mex.gov — stumbled over these facts and raised hell, he was forced into early retirement!
Make no mistake – this was NEVER anything other than a cynical, murderous, TREASONOUS conspiracy to create a great big pile of bloody, brown bodies to be used to justify further infringement of the rights of American Citizens — rights which the Constitution says “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!”
TREASON – Nothing less!
EVERYONE involved should HANG!
You are exactly right. I have yet to hear any logical explanation for how keeping a list of guns sold illegally in the US with the administration approval would somehow bring down the drug cartels. The fact that they, the ATF put on a dog and pony show for the gullible and naive MSM claiming that 90% of the guns recovered in Mexican drug busts came from the US is laughable. The administration could have saved themselves time and money if they just offered the guns on E bay. This was and is a purposeful plan to enact more gun laws on law abiding US citizens.
You are exactly right. I have yet to hear any logical explanation for how keeping a list of guns sold illegally in the US with the administration approval would somehow bring down the drug cartels. The fact that they, the ATF put on a dog and pony show for the gullible and naive MSM claiming that 90% of the guns recovered in the Mexican drug busts came from the US is laughable. The administration could have saved themselves time and money if they just offered the guns on E bay. This was and is a purposeful plan to enact more gun laws on law abiding US citizens.
The government has the blood of hundreds of innocents on their hands. Mexico, Honduras, America and where else?
Only the most evil people will provide weapons to cruel and savage drug cartels. The drug cartels work with Hezbollah terrorists who have set up shop close to our borders.
The government has shown us that they are eager to arm drug cartels/Hezbollah terrorists and eager to disarm patriotic, law abiding Americans who would be rendered defenseless prey against criminals, drug cartels and Muslim terrorists.
God help America. Our nation has never been in such great danger. Enemies without and enemies within.
Our porous border with Mexico has enabled an enemy army to assemble and invade us – which is precisely why the Democrats are so virulently opposed to meaningful border security. We’ve had a machete sticking into our national guts for many years, and I shudder to think about how many Islamic psychotics and other mortal enemies have taken advantage of this self-inflicted wound to enter our country and await their “Go” sign. A rule of thumb I sincerely believe: if the Democrats nationally embrace a particular program or position, it’s because such a program or position weakens the country, whether we’re talking about border security, domestic oil drilling, “hate” speech codes, competency testing for teachers or “sensible gun safety laws.” Tens of millions of our countrymen wholeheartedly support them, and vote accordingly. They want us dumb, scared, disarmed and surrounded by cold-blooded enemies.
I agree with Dedicated Dad above. Nothing would make me happier than to see Holder, Obama, Pelousy, Reid and all the other members of the ‘progressive caucus’ swinging from the end of ropes. Actually that’s not enough. I’d like to see the two biggest assholes in US history – Holder and Obama – stripped naked and dragged behind a pick up until dead. Death by torture sounds good too. Armed rebellion may be coming to America, and if the Mahogony Moonbat is reelected, that may be our only chance to get America back. These people are scum and they must be taken down. Obama and associates are evil, and their plans to turn America into Zimbabwe is underway.
Easy now! I want to see the whole bunch discredited too. But we don’t need martyrs. We do not want to give anyone the notion that the evil right wing conspiracy did anything to them.
I want their failures to be self evident. I want it known that they were the ones who ordered this idiotic nonsense. In the end, I want people to think they’re as irrelevant as any has-been dictator.
You don’t get there by suggesting awful demises for them, however much you may think they’re deserved.
Stock up folks, there’s another revolution coming, and it isn’t going to be pretty. It will start with a ban on leaded bullets, and develop into no
sales of ammo at all to the general public. When the dollar fails, those boxes of ammo, purchased now, will be as good as cash.Now food, that’s another ball
of wax.
BATF can’t be trusted with guns so we should ban guns! Vote Democrat in 2012! (Don’t you just love left/liberal logic?)
It’s “rule or ruin” –AKA the Bamboo Lounge. Same message being sent to Calderon, of the PAN. The PRI, a twin of our own Dem party, won a raft of governorships last year –on the basis that the PRI can turn off the cartel violence and the PAN can’t (in the way of our blue city machines that can cope with the mob and the gangs, while the Reeform admins never can –by design of course, but –”rule or ruin”). And now PRI is linking with PDR, the Manuel Obrador communists who tried their best to nullify the last general election, in 2006, via occupying the center of the Mexico City business district. Mexico’s six year cycle means the next general election is in 2012. Obama is coordinationg with with the rule-or-ruiners, you can bet your eye teeth.
Igf the plan –the 1992 20 year plan –works re Mexico and USA, there’ll be only Canada standing in the way of a wholesale ditching and rewrite off all deeds in the western hemisphere. Might not be such a bad idea, except for, the new owners plan to kill us, as usual.
C-Span ‘covered’ it this morning:
http://www.c-span.org/Events/Washington-Journal-for-Saturday-July-16/10737422887-3/
So, where are the people here who first thought it was not possible that the Goobermint would deliberately try to obfuscate the 2nd?
Crickets…
Gun Laws! If anything, we the people should ignore them, they are unconsitutional.
Government has committed a crime, a conspiracy to violate our rights as a people, to disarm us in preparation for acts so evil they would rate right up there with Hitler and Stalin.
There should be a nationwide right to carry, and as far as I’m concerned the 2cnd grants precisely that no matter what the courts say.
I’m with Ted Nugent on this one, all gun laws will be removed and I won’t have to pay an extra $200 for a suppressor’s NFA Tax Stamp just to protect my hearing when I go target shooting.
I believe that the current regime in D.C. and in statehouses across the country have the ability to make Hitler and Stalin, as well as other mass murderers from history, look like a bunch of inefficient punks. The world has never seen evil on a scale that these people are capable of.
“It’s the press boss – it’s the press!”
I read it – I know it and I still find it hard to believe – ‘the defenders of truth’ – ‘the intrepid reporters of the Daily Planet or the Weekly Whatever – have turned on the citizens of this fabulous Republic. I mean what better subject for a newspaper reporter to bite and tear at than ‘Gun walker’ – ‘Fast and Furious’ – a Slithering DOJ – the lies and cheating of the administration – a plethora of information to report on and we get ‘dregs’ served along with Progressive crap!.
And as a firm believer in ’tit for tat’ I think a bit of ‘turn about’ would portray a sense of fair play !
My thought would be – in developing a script for a film about this subject – ’grow the story line so as to go after the publications themselves’ – slow down the manufacturing of the newspaper. They use ink and paper – stop the commodities from getting to the source – use the proven Union methods for raising havoc and fear among newspaper staff – trucks and cars have tires so flatten them – phones have numbers so call them .
The public is just now getting stirred by the inaccurate statements and out right lying of the Progressive MSM – help your friends by discouraging the use of MSM publications.
In my story line for a movie I advocate making the offending members of the administration and other guilty parties be incarcerated in a ‘Gitmo type location’ – maybe detention and a bit of tire slashing could get the message out – “we are mad and we won’t take it anymore!”
It is going to be a war folks – be prepared!
Oh – and people don’t worry about making any racial statements – ‘the confused colored guy’ has already done that!
No example is more true than what the press did to AZ because we will enforce laws here.
The ACLU was paid to start all kinds of racial hate mongering over Senate Bill 1070. La Raza was sent here to do the same. The funds in support for this militant group has triple under, el senor, Obama leadership.
Albeit, we went through the legal due process to the Supreme Court and cost our state millions to go through the legal due porcess.
I’m not certain what State your from, but did you also boycott our Buss.from there? The movement form CA utilizing CA as the joker, cost our state more millions in cancel contracts to boycot us.
When in our recent American history do you recall one state pitted against the other with NO justice coming from the Executive branch of gov’t to stop it? Certainly you know by now it was a well oiled conspiracy right from the Executive branch.
31 states also realized it and have passed laws, ” in hurry” for States Rights over this issue. We still have ~ 400,000 illegals living here we think we know about, sucking the economy any way they can. It has crushed our economy, trashed our cities and allowed AZ to be the main conduit for 60% of all Meth that is imported form MX and S.A.
We pounded Foxs for months here to allow honest coverage after one of our ranchers’ was cut down on his holdings, who ranched for three generations. To date 101 Americans have been murdered and only one murder has been solves.
What I want you to know there: We have a war on our border fully supported by our own govt through gun running and banking, that exchanges millions daily alone the 2000 mile border,that has never been targeted to “freeze assets” by our govt.
CA is dripping in dirty money. The deep pocket to judges, the police, who are told to; “stand down” and the Sheriff’s Dept that “refuses to arrest and deport,” under the illegal protection of the Sanctuary positon, fully supported by our own govt, all illegal under the Federal Laws.
CA, has Federal funds flowing into their coffers in support of, all welfare programs in support of this policy.
Ca is also caving- in in every direction since the Fed bank is broke.
CA, still haven’t figued out why.
It’s the back story no one will report.
All reporting here for “some truth” goes to Fox News.
To their credit, Fox started the, ” America Third War” series.
We are trying to save American lives here, and also protect our fellow Americans. We know what were doing and all we have ever ask for, was” help” to do it. You know how that ended.
At the very lest we are demanding that Eric, the red Holder ia gone. along with Juanita, Nap., HLS, and Morton from ICE, which is another nightmare that no one will report(yet)and the underlings that will certainly take the fall.
Yes, it’s a slow crawl my friend, but what did your state do to help us?
CA and Co are two major states that will be utilizes as “swing states” in the 2012 relection.
Our biggest fear is voter fraud that has already happened in both states from the last election being heard by Judicial Watch, if you care to look it up. Also unreported to you there: the money, it’s always about the money.
Millions in paid-out to MX, in support of their war, to purchase guns , some was with Stimulus money, that put legal homicide targets on our Federal Law enforcers backs.
Yes the press has tried to shut us up, we won’t go down quietly, nor will you. Please support us any way you can form there as you already have. To demand the truth.
What we need is a Pershing/Patton combination to take some hard-charging fighting men to Mexico and thin out some of the Cartel rosters. We also need to disband the ATF, Homeland Security, and the IRS. Pipe dream, I know… I know.
Here is a scandal where people in the service of the govt were killed by the actions of that same govt, and what do I see constantly on every “news” program other than Fox? The NewsCorp hacking scandal.
Sorry for stating the obvious, but the media is just a propaganda arm of this administration. They will do anything to obfuscate this story, or preferably just ignore it and push a story that damages Fox.
Goebbels would’ve been proud.
Boy are we all screwed if Obummer gets elected again:(
if the oppo hadn’t won the House last year, the screwing would be already at flood tide with no end in sight –the commie/nazis would not even much need the 2012 election. We’re living by the skin of our teeth.
If Mr. Obama and Holder get away with this, they have left our borders open, given guns to drug cartels who may or may not be Al-Quaida, given guns to the gangs in Honduras, trying to arm the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt under the pretext of ousting Gaddafi (snicker, yeah right), and did I not read some time ago that he had invited Hamas to come to America and live free on the taxpayers dime. Sounds to me as though someone is really thinking through this civilian defence force better than our own military. Throw in the union thugs and some Black Panthers and mercenaries whose greed comes before country. Take away the gun rights of the citizens. Can you spell a crisis too good to waste.
It really doesnt come to me as any suprise. I mean, after 9/11 Bush used the patriot act to destroy the 4th amendment of the bill of rights. And secondly, more “false flag” attacks are becoming increasingly common and intense. I am sure that the next thing on the federal agenda is a bombing of a public building or release of some virus. Then the Obamination can declare martial law and strip all of our rights away. Dont think they dont wanna do it. They want all of us to sit down and be good little slaves.
This was the point of Gunwalker all along. And the same conservatives that gave Clinton a pass when he committed the biggest ever abuse of office (bombing Iraq to distract from his impeachment) will be silent for Obama on this one.