Comments on: Obama’s Speech a Call for a Victimhood Coalition http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:55:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: redqueen http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/#comment-25953 redqueen Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:38:46 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-speech-a-call-for-a-victimhood-coalition/#comment-25953 Mr. Obama fails to persuade me that he rejects Rev. Wright's anti-American message, because his wife, albeit with less (public) vituperation, clearly agrees with Rev. Wright. Until the handlers got hold of her, she made it quite clear she has always been ashamed of this country. Perhaps I have just missed it, but I have yet to hear him say that he does not share her feelings. His refusal to wear a flag pin, to put his hand over his heart for the flag, indicate that in fact he agrees with her. If he doesn't agree with her, his failure to appreciate the symbolism of those actions is remarkable in a man of his vaunted political astuteness. Meanwhile, the speech on Tuesday appears to have the desired effect of being all things to all people, judging from the multitude of interpretations present even in this small sampling. Mr. Obama fails to persuade me that he rejects Rev. Wright’s anti-American message, because his wife, albeit with less (public) vituperation, clearly agrees with Rev. Wright. Until the handlers got hold of her, she made it quite clear she has always been ashamed of this country. Perhaps I have just missed it, but I have yet to hear him say that he does not share her feelings. His refusal to wear a flag pin, to put his hand over his heart for the flag, indicate that in fact he agrees with her. If he doesn’t agree with her, his failure to appreciate the symbolism of those actions is remarkable in a man of his vaunted political astuteness. Meanwhile, the speech on Tuesday appears to have the desired effect of being all things to all people, judging from the multitude of interpretations present even in this small sampling.

]]> By: Donald http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/#comment-25952 Donald Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:02:58 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-speech-a-call-for-a-victimhood-coalition/#comment-25952 "I could never stay half an hour in company of an anti-Semite, fascist, racist, like Jeremiah Wright, who hates his country and everyone who doesn't share his ideas and skin's color, without feeling reject." Hyperbole is one of the more common fallacies in argument. It was a flaw in Wright's case, and also in your own. I hope neither of you truly mean what you say. “I could never stay half an hour in company of an anti-Semite, fascist, racist, like Jeremiah Wright, who hates his country and everyone who doesn’t share his ideas and skin’s color, without feeling reject.”

Hyperbole is one of the more common fallacies in argument. It was a flaw in Wright’s case, and also in your own. I hope neither of you truly mean what you say.

]]> By: Euphrades http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/#comment-25951 Euphrades Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:21:00 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-speech-a-call-for-a-victimhood-coalition/#comment-25951 Do you believe in everything your pastor/priest/rabbi/iman/dali lama/ voodoo priest says ? Of course you don't and why should you. You go for the fellowship not the leader/ She/He is not God. If you think Bush is the worst wait until you see how dumb McCain is or how vicious HillBill is. Open your minds and realize the whole country has a chance to look and be intelligent for once. Do you believe in everything your pastor/priest/rabbi/iman/dali lama/

voodoo priest says ? Of course you don’t and why should you. You go for the fellowship not the leader/ She/He is not God.

If you think Bush is the worst wait until you see how dumb McCain is or how vicious HillBill is. Open your minds and realize the whole country has a chance to look and be intelligent for once.

]]> By: Ed Wallis http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/#comment-25950 Ed Wallis Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:22:56 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-speech-a-call-for-a-victimhood-coalition/#comment-25950 <b>Tony wrote:</b><i> You purposely left out this passage from the speech, which knocks down the entire basis of your criticism: "A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families -- a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened." Mar 18, 2008 08:39 PM</i> What isn't mentioned here, Tony, is that a damn politician is saying this. <b>Which means...</b> <b>On its own, this quote means NOTHING.</b> Without any context, it could be a justification for either A) eliminating welfare, OR B) increasing welfare to the point of nanny state. Tony wrote: You purposely left out this passage from the speech, which knocks down the entire basis of your criticism:

“A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one’s family, contributed to the erosion of black families — a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened.”

Mar 18, 2008 08:39 PM

What isn’t mentioned here, Tony, is that a damn politician is saying this. Which means…

On its own, this quote means NOTHING. Without any context, it could be a justification for either

A) eliminating welfare, OR

B) increasing welfare to the point of nanny state.

]]> By: Missy http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/#comment-25949 Missy Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:02:03 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-speech-a-call-for-a-victimhood-coalition/#comment-25949 Wow. I'm so happy when i happen upon blogs such as this. I understand now that internet blogs will never be the marketplace of ideas because like other tangible locations: church, barbershops, clubs--people will flock to things that just validate their own point of view. This whole blog entry is a justification of that speech. Truly whatever came out of his mouth or whatever he did would be "of the devil." And whatever Bush did, or anyone who shared your skin color, political beliefs, religion, would be golden. Some people will validate themselves at any cost--if it means belittling others, casting aspersions "that person is the devil," or starting wars and killing people to do it. Are people merely animals who just react to sight and sound and animal instincts? It really pushes me to the cynicism that you all seem to share here, but i refuse to let my hope that one day people can get past it and use the intelligence that is god-given to make intellectual decisions and reach a higher level of consciousness--not based on race, gender, prejudice or what-have-you, but achieving what you claim is a principle of your Christian religion(its mine too)...Righteousness(not self-righteousness) and peace. I enjoy people in the world who can look past themselves and see things from other POV than the one they share. They make for good leaders. The rest of the people, many who must be visitors to this site, are a bunch of scary sociopaths. You're all the "bewildered herd" too, okay? As I'm writing this, i'm thinking I should delete it because I understand that it will not be well-received and is totally pointless except for a venting moment for myself. But I did contribute to this marketplace so i have done my civic duty and accomplished what i learned in college. Thanks PajamasMedia for opening my eyes. Wow. I’m so happy when i happen upon blogs such as this. I understand now that internet blogs will never be the marketplace of ideas because like other tangible locations: church, barbershops, clubs–people will flock to things that just validate their own point of view. This whole blog entry is a justification of that speech. Truly whatever came out of his mouth or whatever he did would be “of the devil.” And whatever Bush did, or anyone who shared your skin color, political beliefs, religion, would be golden. Some people will validate themselves at any cost–if it means belittling others, casting aspersions “that person is the devil,” or starting wars and killing people to do it. Are people merely animals who just react to sight and sound and animal instincts? It really pushes me to the cynicism that you all seem to share here, but i refuse to let my hope that one day people can get past it and use the intelligence that is god-given to make intellectual decisions and reach a higher level of consciousness–not based on race, gender, prejudice or what-have-you, but achieving what you claim is a principle of your Christian religion(its mine too)…Righteousness(not self-righteousness) and peace. I enjoy people in the world who can look past themselves and see things from other POV than the one they share. They make for good leaders. The rest of the people, many who must be visitors to this site, are a bunch of scary sociopaths. You’re all the “bewildered herd” too, okay? As I’m writing this, i’m thinking I should delete it because I understand that it will not be well-received and is totally pointless except for a venting moment for myself. But I did contribute to this marketplace so i have done my civic duty and accomplished what i learned in college. Thanks PajamasMedia for opening my eyes.

]]> By: White Bear http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/#comment-25948 White Bear Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:37:41 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-speech-a-call-for-a-victimhood-coalition/#comment-25948 I could never stay half an hour in company of an anti-Semite, fascist, racist, like Jeremiah Wright, who hates his country and everyone who doesn't share his ideas and skin's color, without feeling reject. Obama stayed in company of this repugnant man during 20 years without feeling the least disgust because he completely shared and continues to share Wright's ideas. The "victimhood coalition", that Obama preaches in his demagogic speech, in reality is a criminal's coalition of the terrorists and Islamofascist dictators that pay his electoral campaign. This "coalition" is a dream of his Muslim father and of his diabolic teacher with a biblical name. I think his true name should be Behemoth. I could never stay half an hour in company of an anti-Semite, fascist, racist, like Jeremiah Wright, who hates his country and everyone who doesn’t share his ideas and skin’s color, without feeling reject. Obama stayed in company of this repugnant man during 20 years without feeling the least disgust because he completely shared and continues to share Wright’s ideas. The “victimhood coalition”, that Obama preaches in his demagogic speech, in reality is a criminal’s coalition of the terrorists and Islamofascist dictators that pay his electoral campaign. This “coalition” is a dream of his Muslim father and of his diabolic teacher with a biblical name. I think his true name should be Behemoth.

]]> By: william http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/#comment-25947 william Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:03:55 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-speech-a-call-for-a-victimhood-coalition/#comment-25947 Obama missed his WHOLE point. He absolutely blew it in his speech by not removing himself in absolute terms from the so-called Rev. Wright. (WELL HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT YEARS AGO). He is the product of the healing of the racial divide, and yet he can't admit it. He is not the healer. He is the result of how much healing there has been. We here at stronger than death have separated ourselves from the hate of groups like the KKK and groups like James Wrights church. Obama has not. He could have been a leader. He is not! He is pandering to hateful people. Look past his skin and see the heart! Obama missed his WHOLE point.

He absolutely blew it in his speech by not removing himself in absolute terms from the so-called Rev. Wright. (WELL HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT YEARS AGO). He is the product of the healing of the racial divide, and yet he can’t admit it. He is not the healer. He is the result of how much healing there has been.

We here at stronger than death have separated ourselves from the hate of groups like the KKK and groups like James Wrights church. Obama has not. He could have been a leader. He is not! He is pandering to hateful people. Look past his skin and see the heart!

]]> By: JJ Dedalus http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/#comment-25946 JJ Dedalus Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:56:34 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-speech-a-call-for-a-victimhood-coalition/#comment-25946 Bob : Pleople use to be worried about white conservatism...well black conservatism is no better and is equally dangerous for America. Mar 19, 2008 03:05 AM Yeah Bob, I guess the danger is equal, what with all those White Conservative Gang-bangers out there. Bob :
Pleople use to be worried about white conservatism…well black conservatism is no better and is equally dangerous for America.

Mar 19, 2008 03:05 AM

Yeah Bob, I guess the danger is equal, what with all those White Conservative Gang-bangers out there.

]]> By: Bob http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/#comment-25945 Bob Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:06:57 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-speech-a-call-for-a-victimhood-coalition/#comment-25945 The black community do not own the claim on racism & discrimination. The black community do not own the claim on racism & discrimination.

]]> By: Bob http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas_speech_a_call_for_a_vic/#comment-25944 Bob Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:05:07 +0000 http://dev.pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-speech-a-call-for-a-victimhood-coalition/#comment-25944 Pleople use to be worried about white conservatism...well black conservatism is no better and is equally dangerous for America. Pleople use to be worried about white conservatism…well black conservatism is no better and is equally dangerous for America.

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