Obama’s Fall by the Numbers
Barack Obama is now the tenth most popular president of the last twelve at this stage of his presidency (six months since his inauguration).
A president with huge majorities in both houses of Congress, an adoring national media, enormous and constant media exposure, a fractured and rudderless opposition party, and bold plans to restructure America (change we can believe in) should be doing much better. Why has the public cooled to Obama and his policies, and how low can Obama’s approval ratings fall? Will a further big drop in Obama’s approval numbers derail his plans for cap-and-trade legislation in the Senate and health care reform ?
The Rasmussen Report surveys 500 voters each night and summarizes a three-day average of its results each morning. There is statistical noise in the daily results, but trend lines are apparent. In the first weeks of his administration, Obama, who won the presidency by a popular vote margin of 53% to 46%, hit overall approval ratings as high as 65%. The approval-disapproval score peaked at a 41% margin just before the inauguration (69%-28%) and a 35% margin (64% to 29% ) after the inauguration. Among those who strongly approve, or strongly disapprove, the peak percentage for strong approval was 45%, and Obama’s margin peaked at 30% (44% strongly approving, 14% strongly disapproving). Today, those numbers are 51%-47% net approval-disapproval, and 29%-34% among those feeling strongly about it. In other words, about 1 in 4 who supported Obama have switched sides, and the intensity of anti-Obama sentiment has grown substantially (more than doubled).
Almost every other survey has also shown a substantial decline in Obama’s approval ratings. The Democratic leaning group Democracy Corps has a new survey with Obama’s approval at 50% and disapproval at 43%, the narrowest gap since January.
In the last two years of the Bush presidency, approval ratings for the president dropped into the high 20s, low 30s. Disapproval ratings were at least double that. It is unlikely that Obama’s numbers will sink to the Bush level, at least not soon. Nonetheless, if unemployment hits 10% and keeps moving higher, and if the budget deficit numbers projected for 2009 and beyond keep growing, further erosion in Obama’s numbers is certain, probably into the low 40% approval range.
The president retains substantial and often fierce loyalty among a core group: liberals, union members, and minorities (African Americans, Hispanics, Jews). Many others who are nervous about one policy of the administration or another still want the president to succeed. At the moment, slightly less than a third of the public seems to be strongly in Obama’s corner, at least a third firmly opposed, and the middle third breaking about 2 to 1 for the president. This group is the one that can move away from the president, and given the far greater unpopularity of some of Obama’s key initiatives than of Obama personally, this could occur sooner rather than later.
Obambi LIED and his popularity DIED
Obama is getting more face time on TV and in the MSM than Oprah! There is no “fairness doctrine” working for the opposition, from whatever angle it may come. So, he has virtually unlimited commercial opportunity to push his program. The only way we can fight back effectively is to continue doing what we have been doing, i.e., blogs, tea parties, and so on. Do we have a chance of convincing that middle third that we are right and looking out for their best interests? Time will tell. Cross you fingers and see if you have a viable “Plan B.”
I expected it sooner. I guess I shouldn’t have so much faith in the Independent voter.
I always want my country and its people to succeed. If Obama can figure out a way to be part of that, great. If his ideas were so good he would not need to push them so hard.
Perhaps it is a naive notion, by the end of the week I will have contacted all the senators and representatives of my state to ask them to do one thing, please read before you sign. Simple. For my sake. For their sakes. Read the bills before you sign them. Resist the pressure. Read. Think. Discuss. Vote for it if it’s a good idea. Don’t vote for it if it’s not a good idea.
The boy king is playing a role. Unfortunately, the role was designed for Charlton Heston and it turns out he’s actually Barney Fife.
The freedom loving American Citizen is wretching violently in rejection to this statist liberals plans–hence the poll numbers. This is akin to Munchausens’ syndrome by Proxy–where a “parent” harms a child and attempts to kill it for attention. It is a perverted ploy to foist socialism on this country. We are tasked with preserving freedom and liberty and we must first vomit this healthcare issue away and takeback our country.
Michael Jackson’s death probably delayed the inevitable. The exaggerated media attention allowed Nancy Pelosi the opportunity to pressure reluctant Democratic Party legislators to pass the cap and trade bill. In other words, the odds were that we should have been discussing Barack Obama’s political marginalization a few weeks ago. He is now probably finished as an effective politician. Also, I strongly suspect that he may have a mental breakdown. It might therefore behoove us to start talking about the serious possibility that Joe Biden will become the next president of the United States.
And this, despite the fact MSM outlets like ABC are desperately doing their best to prop him up.
Meryl at #5,
I actually think President Obama is a smart guy. Misguided and miss educated? Yes. Stupid? No.
The Vice President, unfortunately for America, actually is a dunce. He is incapable of public speaking without gaffeing. He is full of false bravado and swagger. He IS Barney Fife. He is also Colonel Klink. If I were diffusing a bomb, and Biden told me to cut the red wire, I would cut the blue one. 65 out of 67 in his class at Syracuse Law School. Subject to review by the law school’s disciplinary commitee for plagarism. Begged forgiveness and they let him stay. He didn’t learn a thing from that experience as he plagerized again as a Presidential candidate in 1988. A certified lunkhead, and he is a heartbeat away from becoming President.
“…and he is a heartbeat away from becoming President.”
Sad, but true. Elections have consequences. The majority of American voters should have taken their responsibilities more seriously.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the GOP must not dismantle itself and change it’s message. The GOP need only wait and let Obama do what he seems best at, bringing about his own demise.
We all saw this balloon overinflating during the election with the MSM blowing and blowing and blowing. We all knew it had to pop sooner or later. Just glad it’s turning out to be sooner.
“And all the king’s horses and all the king’s men couldn’t put Humpty Dumpty together again”.
All wishful thinking: President Obama is the quintessential politician. There has been a loss of jobs because it is not the right time to put to work the money he was given to work. The Highway Trust Fund will run out of money in August, something he could prevent, but won’t. It is his goal to time the use of the money to the 2010 election to prevent loss of Congress to the Republicans. Then again during the 2012 election to guarantee his re-election.
Lord help this country in his second term, when he has nothing to lose, though, his support for Honduran and Venezuelan Constitution manupulations may not augur well for our own Constitution’s provisions for Presidential term limits.
#9 Samizdat:
“If I were diffusing a bomb, and Biden told me to cut the red wire, I would cut the blue one.”
If that were the case, you can bet that there wouldn’t BE a red wire…
…and had I no-one to turn to but Joe Biden for guidance, I’d immediately quit and seek another line of work.
Obama lied and he’s still lying: like any other whore he can’t do what he means to do without lying.
Yes,Gaffy O’Bidon would be a horror as president,but probably not as bad for the country as Daffy Obama. What a presidential and vice-presidential pair,Daffy and Gaffy.
Barack Obama could be almost half as smart as some people claim and one one-hundredth as smart as he thinks he is,but he is ideologically unhinged.
The wonderful world of polls:
More Americans believe in God than in angels, miracles, and even heaven. And while half attend worship services on a regular basis, a majority thinks religion plays too small a role in people’s lives today.
Fully 92 percent of Americans say they believe in God, 85 percent in heaven and 82 percent in miracles, according to the latest FOX News poll.
Though belief in God has remained at about the same level, belief in the devil has increased slightly over the last few years — from 63 percent in 1997 to 71 percent today.
I was hoping my post would show up at 6:66 am
President Obama’s fall from grace in action; his descent to the bottom is going to be hard. However, as a result, President Obama’s facade will shatter & will reveal the bitter, angry man who has been kept in the shadows. This is only the beginning as Democrats scramble to distance themselves from the radical ideologue Marxist. The failure of Socialized medicine is Obama’s Waterloo.
Sad, but true. Elections have consequences. The majority of American voters should have taken their responsibilities more seriously.
That is an unfortunate conseuence of the “get out the vote” campaigns. High participation aretes are seen as gopod for a democracy but propping them up artificially through “get out the vote” campaigns (even if they were non-partisan) leads to ahving people who
1) aren’t interested in politics
2) don’t bother to satay informed
3) wouldn’t have voted if let alone
to vote and cast an unenlightened vote based on how bright are the teeth of the guy smiling in the posters.
I am a heartbeat away from thinking get out the vote campaigns should be banned and two away that prospective voters should have to take a a questionnaire with questions like “who has the majority in the chmaber”. An informal survey showed that a very high proportion of Obama voters, even people who had university degress believed the Republicans controlled the Senate and the Chamber. I am just three heartbeats away of thinking that people who give the wrong answer to some fundamental questions shouldn’t be a allowed to vote since they show they have little interest in public matters and the nation’s fate.
The wizard hid behind the media’s curtain. The illusion was bought and sold. He is now being exposed by events. I hope when the American people wake up, they throw the old media out along with their new messiah.
I don’t like polls, I like my opinion. Why don’t they contact me? I’m a registered voter. Hmmm, I guess if they contacted more people like me his approval rating would be in the single digits!
vivo: typically misses the point. There is no 6:66 AM, dope.
Ah, vivo! Ye who were touting Obama’s “extraordinary popularity” and “mandate” scant weeks ago!
And now you’re reduced to attacking polls, or the American people. Funny how that works.
Re Vivo:
Yet more on “The wonderful world of polls:”
100% of posters on PJM believe Vivo’s “contributions” to be indicative of the dearth of intelligence in the liberal community.
Its American society that is sick with its left wing PC, MC, Islamophile, Green NAZI, moral equivalence moonbatedness Barrack HUSSEIN Obambi is just the symptom of this national malaise
RE #4/ LeighB: [...] I always want my country and its people to succeed. If Obama can figure out a way to be part of that, great. [...]
Leigh, normal and honorable attitude of an American towards this country – yet, unfortunately, Obama isn’t that fond of America, and his intentions regarding the trajectory of this country are clearly detrimental to us, as a nation.
Unfortunately, so many people today, blinded by entertainment’s gods and the personality cult have suspended their critical spirit and are buying into the impression that Obama’s personal fulfillment does positively influence theirs, and this country’s well-being. It isn’t so, though:
When Rushball caused a stirr with his “I want him fail”, he was clear that he wanted some destructive policies fail, not America – with all due respect for your attitude, I recommend to anyone follow Rushball’s advice and WANT OBAMA FAIL, ’cause otherwise we’ll be all in trouble.
Best regards -
Vivo’s handlers or the little voice in his(?) head
is screaming “Quick change the subject, the ONE is being blasphemed” Nice try, Lame-o.
RE #14/vivo: “[...] belief in the devil has increased slightly over the last few years — from 63 percent in 1997 to 71 percent today. [...]”
No wonder, vivo – the poison secreted by liberals cannot but solidify any normal people’s view that evil is not only a permanent presence, but an active and relentlessly growing one.
Hey, you guys should talk more about how Obama isn’t a citizen. That will also help show how you are the party of “hope Obama fails” rather than a party concerned with the future of the country.
Who cares about his popularity if not for some petty post-Bush hurt feelings? Why not focus on what Obama is doing (or not doing)? This type of nonsense just distracts from bigger issues like stopping this health care boondoggle. The Republicans need to stop focusing on being a spoiler and instead start pushing fiscal conservative efforts. If they continue hoping for failure they are hoping all of us suffer more as our economy rots with the intent to try to benefit from it. Not an approach I’m willing to support.
I wish I had my toolbelt, I’m surrounded by a bunch of tools.
Hugs,
Jack
I should have added and in Vivo we have a prime example.
Where’s Jesus’ birth certificate?
The Republicans need to stop focusing on being a spoiler and instead start pushing fiscal conservative efforts. If they continue hoping for failure they are hoping all of us suffer more as our economy rots with the intent to try to benefit from it.
That reminds me the consternation between Democrats when Saddam was captured. And how they rooted for things going bad in Irak and US servicemen being killed. Or their efforts to undermine America’s image in foreign countries.
Much is being said about Obama’s high personal approving rating vs. the his remarkably lower “business” approving rating, and liberals don’t fail to warn anyone around that this high “personal” approving rating gives him some kind of political immunity.
Yet no one talks anymore about how, or whether the “Bradley Effect” applies in this polling situation – I think that it mighty does, and that means that actually Obama’s “personal” rating is also low, mirroring the “bussines” one, the “liking” of Obama being actually loathing this guy.
How, and how long can people “like” someone who’s been actively robbing them and their children? Who’s constantly dissing their country and traditions? Who’s never failed to embrace our enemies and undermined our allies?
#31 Now and Then:
Case in point re: my #29 post. Keep focusing on the important things. But in answer to your question, the originals are in the White House (Obama’s copy) and in the City office in Honolulu as has been proven numerous times. We also DID land on the moon and 9-11 wasn’t an inside job planned by Bush. Hope I cleared those up for you as well. Grow up.
Jack
Re #29 Jack…. Typical of a liberal to change the subject. Are you basically admitting you don’t have the mental capability to READ the article that you are supposed to be commenting on? I guess you are just following in your parties footsteps since they choose to not READ important legislation before voting on it.
Such pathetic moonbats.
Please prove me wrong and actually comment on Obama’s falling poll numbers.
Now and then: “Where is Jesus’ birth certificate?”
So then you do agree with us that Obama doesn’t have one either? Thank you!
#32 JFM – So you support that behavior then? Or are you saying it’s ok for you to do it because a bunch of stupid Dems did it and you take your moral leadership from them?
Pretty poor argument to try to justify petty behavior. When children respond with “well he did it first!” we don’t accept that as an excuse from them, why do we accept it from supposed adults?
Jack
I think there’s a real possibility that Obama will be instructed by TOTUS to declare a state of emergency soon.
Where’s Jesus’ birth certificate?
According to secular white liberals, it’s in Hawaii.
#34 AThinkingPerson – I don’t care about poll numbers. I care about issues. Thanks for reading my post (poorly).
Jack
#31 Now and Then:
And you are comparing what?
Obama to Jesus? Is that correct? How pathetically funny.
4.LeighB
“Perhaps it is a naive notion, by the end of the week I will have contacted all the senators and representatives of my state to ask them to do one thing, please read before you sign. Simple. For my sake. For their sakes. Read the bills before you sign them. Resist the pressure. Read. Think. Discuss. Vote for it if it’s a good idea. Don’t vote for it if it’s not a good idea.”
Wow.
I don’t think that’s a naive notion. I think that’s an American notion regarding representative government.
You sort of sound like a Founder of the United States. You encourage me today.
Let those who detest us keep on mocking us…let’s set our thoughts to keep on speaking plainly and insisting on the heritage and founding documents of the United States of America.
#38 Aureliano – Who exactly went there and proved that it wasn’t? What about the videos of the actual document all over the internet? What about the birth announcement on the day of his birth in the local paper?
There is plenty of evidence of it’s existing (most importantly the actual document itself) and no evidence to the contrary, you are making one of the world’s dumbest arguments. I could say Reagan was a homosexual with as much credibility as you.
I can’t believe you want ppl to follow you…
Jack
The president retains substantial and often fierce loyalty among a core group: liberals, union members,
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Only die-hard liberals who want to see socialism enacted here (because they think its rules won’t apply to them.). Even my never-voted-for-a-republican mother is frequently expressing distress and shock at what he’s doing. And my PC-left nephew has stopped talking about politics.
10. David Thomson:
“…and he is a heartbeat away from becoming President.”
Sad, but true. Elections have consequences. The majority of American voters should have taken their responsibilities more seriously.
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This wasn’t American Idol?
Re Jack: You don’t care about poll numbers but you care about issues? How altruistic of you! Why then are you commenting on an article entitled “Obama’s Fall By The Numbers”?
I’m willing to go with senility but if you’ve got another excuse feel free to share…..
I, for one, do not believe the hype regarding Obama’s intellect. America has prospered, yes even thrived, when she has offered her people certain liberties, those being economic opportunity, free markets, self-determination, free speech, limited government regulation, modest taxation and right of self-defense. Leftist Democrats, throughout the 20th and extending into the 21st century, have led an all-out assault on the individual rights and incentives contained in our constitution while attempting to impose a more authoritarian, confiscatory/collectivist government on our people. Anyone who would support such an effort either lacks intelligence or has sinister motives. Which is it with Obama, and who is really feeding his teleprompter?
9. Samizdat
I don’t disagree with your comment at all. I guess I was just struggling with how to describe what he looks like in these shoes that are way too big for him.
I agree with your take on the genuine brainlessness of Biden. I’ve thought about this often and tried to evaluate why Biden doesn’t scare me as much as the Col. does.
We know that Biden is an American, by virtue of birth and by heartset.
I have no fear about Biden’s intentions, although I would certainly have concerns about his competence.
Paint me naive, but I do still believe there are many Democrats who are Americans at heart who do not want this country destroyed, who want the United States to thrive as a sovereign nation–even as they are “liberal” in policies and I would disagree with them vociferously, and would hope to vote them out next election.
HOWEVER….I believe if Biden were bumped up to the Oval office, he would have advisers who would pull back to “traditional Democrat” policies and lines of action. It would still be frustrating to a degree, of course, but I wouldn’t be worrying about the survival of the nation, or the trustworthiness of our leaders.
Biden would be an liberal American politician in the White House. That we have often had before and have survived it. (Think LBJ)
Regardless of where he was born (and who knows about that), Col. obama is not an “American politician in the White House.” He is a clear and present danger.
In his 2000 book, “The Bear and the Dragon,” Tom Clancy made this comment as his character was in Tiananmen Square thinking back to the dead students:
(speaking of the students)….”They hadn’t protested the form of their country’s government so much as the corruption of those at its highest levels, and, predictably, such actions had been hugely offensive to the corrupted…
“Only with discretion (does) one point out the nature of a powerful man to himself,….the first time it had been tried right here, the soldiers ordered to clear things up had balked. And THAT must have frightened the leadership in their plush and comfortable offices, because when the organs of the state refused to do the bidding of the state, THAT was when something called ‘Revolution’ started…”
God helping us, I trust we are the growing edge of necessary Revolution. We are calling them on “who they are”, and it frightens them. It remains to be seen who they will send out to stop us.
Those on these threads who make fun of us and mock us might want to stop and think (if they are able) about why we are so concerned. What has “set us off”, guys? We weren’t doing this 6 months ago. If we had been doing it 10 months ago, obama wouldn’t have been elected, and they know it.
I suspect the namecalling loonies DO know (even though they want to act like they are too stupid to know) that conservative Democrats and Republicans and Independents do not habitually run in circles, screaming and yelling. So they are afraid of us. So they do is what the frightened left always does: call us names, curse, swear, make threats against us (and I have seen many of them–threats against our lives, wishing us dead, in these threads).
I usually try to post something short and pointed (granted, it’s often sarcastic) to just make my point and get out of the way of other posters who are skilled in arguing a point in print. But short, pointed and sarcastic is not the only thing I am able to do. I do have limited strength because of chronic health problems and do not choose to spend the lengthy time required to produce more thoughtful posts like those that are done so well by many of you. Please keep at it–all of you, and welcome to new folks whose rising concerns have brought them here today.
Popularity numbers are critical for a President to get his agenda done. As his numbers continue to fall it gives Congress critters from his own party reason to run for cover and vote against him.
Jack
Nope. I don’t support it. But let’s me remind a few facts:
1) That people are allowed to think Obamas policies are bad for America and that in this case it is better their bitter fruits are revealed soon enough he doesn’t get a second term for enacting thme. Still better that by 2010 he had his hands tied by a hostile Congress. The worst case scenario would be not an Obama success (that would be good and to hell with GOP politicians, problem it has zero chances of happening) but a moderate failure (or a big failure followed by a late-term improvement doomed to be short-lived) so he gets reelected thanks to the racial vote and despite his moderate failure.
2) That people are allowed to be worried about Obama’s foreign policy: what use for an economic success if North-Korean nukes fall on the West-Coast? If Pakistan falls forcing America to leave Afganistan (worst case: American troops being forced to surrender to the Taliban) triggering millions of Muslims to enlist in Al Quaeda? People who are worried by things like these are allowed to prefer an economic crisis to an Obama reelection.
3) That people are allowed to be worried about the future of democracy in America when in the very first days of his presidency Obama ensured Acorn will play a crucial role into establishing next census.
4) That however bad wishing an economic crisis is, it is a thousand times better than wishing for dead American soldiers or in a war (WOT) where hearts and minds are much more important than bullets play into Al Quaida’s hands by spreading calumnias about GWB, America or, like Michael Moore, suggesting 9/11 was an inside job. That will have, in fact alreday has had an effect: dead Americans.
A big reason for Obama’s numbers going into a free- fall!
I run across lots of people who voted for Obama every day.
And whenever they’re not to busy to talk, we talk politics. And my first question out of the box is often. How now do you feel about your vote for change; for Obama.
After their answer, I outline what I believe to be Obama’s “accomplisments” so far. You know the list.
Like bankrupting our country for the long term. To what he’s lied about.
From earmarks to question marks about his birth, to his palsy walsy relationship with domestic terrorists to pewing with Jeremy Wright for 20 years without ever realizing he was spending his Sundays listening to an American hating, bald faced bigot and sexist. There’s a lot of lies to pick from.
1: Sunlight Before Signing — “When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as the president, you the public will have five days to look online and find out what’s in it before I sign it,” he said.
2: Capital gains tax elimination — Just weeks prior to the election, Obama advisers Austan Goolsbee and Jason Furman told the Wall Street Journal that Obama planned tax cuts that included “the elimination of capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups.”
3: New American jobs tax credit — During his transition, Obama’s promised to provide a $3,000 refundable tax credit to existing businesses for every additional full-time U.S. employee hired in 2009 and 2010.
4: Hiatus on 401(k) penalties — In October 2008, Obama released his “Rescue Plan for the Middle-Class” in which he promised to allow financially distressed Americans to withdraw up to $10,000 from their 401(k) accounts and retirement savings without having to pay penalties. They would only pay income taxes on the amount.
5: No jobs for lobbyists — “I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more than any other candidate in this race to take on lobbyists — and won. They have not funded my campaign, they will not run my White House, and they will not drown out the voices of the American people when I am president.”
6: Earmark reform — at the first presidential debate in Oxford, Miss., Obama declared, “[W]e need earmark reform. And when I’m president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely.”
7: Bring troops home in 16 months — Even as combat troops are brought home, Pentagon officials have said fresh units will continue deploying to Iraq.
8: Sign “Freedom of Choice Act” — Obama expressed his support for the sweeping plan that would repeal all national and state regulations of abortion passed over the last 35 years.
9: $4,000 college credit — Obama pledged to make college “affordable for all Americans” when he announced his American Opportunity Tax Credit.
And then there’s outlandish statements his administration has made.
That white America is a nation of cowards. That the American Dream which was always about doing better than one’s parents is a selfish notion; that we need to spread the wealth, a decidedly socialista notion. That Sotomayor would make a great supreme although she sings a song about hating white men in America due to their racism (a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black).
Then Barack’s antipathy toward U.S. servicemen and women comes out. He wants them investigated when they return from harm’s way to make sure they don’t join any organizations that oppose him. Yet, fails to detail what he’d do if they did join.
Put them in jail as domestic terrorists? Your guess is as good as mine. Give Bill Ayers a special summertime, sweetheart $500,000 job running the special prison? Take away their Veterans’s benefits.
By the way, did you know that Michell’s no show U Of Chicago job is so crucial that they couldn’t find anyone capable of replacing her so they’re waiting for her to return and promised her a $250,000 raise? I guess you don’t read the Chicago Tribune.
And there’s Barack’s foreign junkets. Traveling the world bad mouthing America. Joining with Hillary to bad mouth America. Criticize America. And blame America for not being sensitive to the source of terrorist dissatisfaction with this country.
The fact that Barack yesterday gutted funding for a superior hi teched American fighting plane, the F-16, should provide much comfort to the wives of Air Force pilots who have the love of country, courage, and sense of duty that has them volunteer to be in harm’s way.
The people that voted to gut the F-16 are the same creatures that booed Bush, saying not enough GI’s had flak jackets.
I almost forget, Barack is trying to find the words to dismantle our missile defense shield long enough so one of his minions can spill the beans on its technology to the Russians and Chinese.
As Stan would say to Ollie, “a fine mess you’ve gotten us in.”
Which is how I begin my thoughts to my friends who voted for Barack. I say, remember Stan and Ollie?
When they say, who? And I begin.
Barack supporters usually end by saying they thought Barack was going a good job. I ask them to name one good thing he’s done.
They give me a blank stare. So I say, well, think about it. And next time we talk I’ll be interested what you have to say.
Barack’s poll numbers are falling like a blind roofer because Barack’s support never had any substance behind it. You don’t need to be able to think and understand to vote. Just be able to be convinced by a corrupt media and a disingenuous candidate. When people realize what a vote for Barack has done to this country, that’s when they should start fainting.
Rachel
It’s George W. Bush’s fault.
Mr. Obama has contrived a number of crises, but he hasn’t faced anything so far that actually falls within the realm of executive prerogative. He missed opportunities in both Iran and Honduras where he could have showed genuine leadership. What happens when he finally has to face something serious like Carter’s hostage crisis or Kennedy’s Bay of Pigs? I fear that in a genuine crisis the man will simply unravel. What then? If he simply lashes out in a fit of pique, the consequences could be tragic. The more I see of his true face, the more convinced I am that the man is not suited by his psychology or temperament to be president. He’s just flat out dangerous, but few seem to see it.
America is beginning the new POTUS is Michael Jackson rather than Honest Abe Lincoln.
42. Jack:
#38 Aureliano – Who exactly went there and proved that it wasn’t? What about the videos of the actual document all over the internet? What about the birth announcement on the day of his birth in the local paper?
There is plenty of evidence of it’s existing (most importantly the actual document itself) and no evidence to the contrary, you are making one of the world’s dumbest arguments. I could say Reagan was a homosexual with as much credibility as you.
I can’t believe you want ppl to follow you…Jack
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Jackie boy, do some research. In 1961 the State of Hawaii would issue either a Birth Certificate or Certificate of Live Birth – two ENTIRELY different things. One for babies born in a hospital in Hawaii, and one for babies born outside Hawaii. sure Obummer has shown a picture – but not of the type of certificate issued for babies born IN Hawaii. And US Law at the time? Babies born on forigen soil to a US mother and non-father were ONLY a citizen if the mother had lived in the US for five years AFTER turning 18. Since his mommy *was* 20, she hadn’t lived here for five years, nor did she later.
#45 AThinkingPerson – Read my first post (this is the third time you’ve flubbed reading it) and you’ll understand I am posting to point out how I feel about people like you wasting airwaves talking about polls instead of issues (i.e it’s about as value-add as talking about Obama’s birth certificate). It’s more petty whining about the last elections going the way they did and it isn’t productive in the least. I’m positing that maybe we could focus on fiscal conservative issues rather than this drivel, but perhaps that’s just me.
I was pretty sure I was clear about that.
Jack
39. Jack:
#34 AThinkingPerson
I think that point of the article was more along the lines of this; Keep Heart! The One’s popularity is slipping and it becomes less likely that he will succeed in destroying the US that we love, keep working to block his programs and put together alternatives that work and are fiscally responsible.
Obama’s loss of political capital will likely lessen the negative impact of his silk-stocking Marxism. I could give a damn if he is popular or not, just as long as I don’t get force-fed his half-baked economic policies and totalitarian social programs.
Okay, Bush was an honest, honerable man, but he was not as good a president as I’d hoped he would be. McCain was a Naval Aviator who went to war, was shot down, and endured years of torture. He would not have been a good president, but I voted for him because he was not obama. I have read recently that obama won because a lot of older people stayed home and didn’t bother voting for McCain. – Well that action was a vote too. Thanks a lot. They say “a nation gets the government it deserves”.
If you’ve been staying informed, you know what’s coming next. You (we) older people are no longer productive, we’re not paying taxes, we’re on social security and medicare. No matter what we did for the nation in the past, battles fought, companies built, taxes paid, we’re now a burden on society and obama’s health plan calls for euthanasia for the whole lot of us.
Now, I’m a disabled veteran with some broken parts and some parts that don’t work right, so I’m not saying I would personally do anything like this, but here’s some reasons that obama shouldn’t have broadcast his plans to kill off everyone over 65:
Someone who knows he’s going to be killed has no reason to accept his fate like a quivering rabbit. If he’s a real man he’s going to try to take as many of his killers with him as possible. The over 65 age range now includes the cream of the much maligned Vietnam Vets, the long range snipers, the SEALs, Special Forces, weapons and explosives experts, men who know more about killing than lawyers know about loopholes.
Wake up obama! Pay attention congress! This is not a threat; it is an urgent warning. You do not want to tell these men that you’re going to kill them. The jungles and hills of Southeast Asia are littered with the bones of people who tried to kill them.
How do you know he is smart? Do you really think he ran his campaign? Have you seen his SAT or college grades? Have you seen the research on the origin of his two “Books”? (Its on the net if you care to read it). If your Dad went to all the other schools and spoke about how his family had been bad or lied for years, even though you were very proud of your family, but now he was going to clean up his family, would you ever trust him again? I’m not an insider but it is obvious that this man is being “Run” by others.
Why not focus on what Obama is doing (or not doing)?
Er, Jack, that’s the reason for the falling polls.
Count me as a conservative who never paid very much attention to the whole birth certificate or “Is Obama a secret Muslim?” business. My concern is entirely focused on what Obama wants to do, (or not do). I wish that only those who voted for him will have to live with the consequences, but unfortunately, the rest of us will be dragged into the pit as well.
vivo: typically misses the point. There is no 6:66 AM, dope.
Ah, yes, part of the pleasure of PJM has come to be watching lefty trolls lay eggs instead of witticisms.
tommyd: I wish the trolls would make up their minds. Just the other day, blarty was comparing Cronkite to Jesus. Now it’s Obama. Everyone they admire is like Jesus, but people who actually believe in Jesus are bad.
Look people, the birth certificate thing is a non starter. It makes us all look like wingnuts, ok? Its stupid conspiracy nut stuff. It alienates rational people who are concerned with real issues, like the exploding deficit, and an Iranian bomb. It empowers the Obamanistas. Please, please, please stop it because you damage our chance of taking our country back every single time you open your mouths.
#51 Rachel – It was the F-22, not the F-16 and McCain was on Obama’s side, so this would have happened regardless of who was in office.
Jack
If Obama is re-elected in ’12, it’s even money he and some of his comrades will spend two life terms in federal prison for high crimes and misdemeanors.
have a nice day, rachel
DNFTT.
I stand corrected, Jack.
51. Rachel Peepers:“The fact that Barack yesterday gutted funding for a superior hi teched American fighting plane, the F-16, should provide much comfort to the wives of Air Force pilots who have the love of country, courage, and sense of duty that has them volunteer to be in harm’s way. “
Wrong. Funding was cut for the F-22, a fighter that even the Pentagon opposed funding for because it clearly was a waste of money. Why? The F-22 is just taking up space in hangars, never actually seeing any combat in either Iraq or Afghanistan, it is outdated, and it has trouble performing in the rain.
The vote was “a signal that we are not going to continue to build weapons systems with cost overruns which outlive their requirements for defending this nation,” declared Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who joined Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin in arguing for cutting off production.
Rachel, if you can’t even get the most basic facts straight, why should anyone be expected to believe your way-too-far-out-on-a-limb rants?
What’s a little surprising is how quickly he lost the intelligentsia. I’m not completely sure why, but I strongly suspect that they suddenly discovered what capitalists they really were when their stocks and real estate investments cratered.
Cold shower in the brain belt.
#52 Rachel Peepers: Mind if I print off your comment and tape it to my desk? I also enjoy the “blank stare” from Obama supporters when actually faced with his “accomplishments”.
What a great summation of The One so far (one can only imagine the horrors yet to come).
Look people, the birth certificate thing is a non starter. It makes us all look like wingnuts, ok? Its stupid conspiracy nut stuff.
It isn’t but as long as Obama is popular talking about his birth certificate only makes people think you are trying to steal the election through legalese.
Now the day Obama’s approval rates fall to single digits, when even Blacks will want to get rid of him by whatever the means, then and only then will be the time for questioning his eligibility.
Jack: The issue at hand right now is watching Obama’s poll numbers drop which is integral to putting the brakes on Obama’s socialist agenda. If the dems see that his minions are dropping like flies they will have the courage to stand up against him (which thankfully, according to POLLS, they are starting to do).
Why it is important that the GOP come out with an economic Hail Mary pass right now is beyond me. YOU WON remember? You’re in charge. We’re rejoicing in the polls that are showing the insanity of the liberal agenda and reveling in it. I love how now you’re wanting to tag out and pass off to the GOP : “The Republicans need to stop focusing on being a spoiler and instead start pushing fiscal conservative efforts.” What? Why? Both Houses and the Presidency are Democratic right now remember? Remember that 60 vote celebration heard round the world?
It seems YOU need to stop focusing on what the GOP needs to be doing and instead tell Obama to do what he PROMISED YOU he would. Why not lay blame where blame is due?
59. EnemyoftheState:“If you’ve been staying informed, you know what’s coming next. You (we) older people are no longer productive, we’re not paying taxes, we’re on social security and medicare. No matter what we did for the nation in the past, battles fought, companies built, taxes paid, we’re now a burden on society and obama’s health plan calls for euthanasia for the whole lot of us.”
Wow. I really hope you’re using the term “euthanasia” figuratively. Otherwise, you’re in crazy person territory. I’m guessing you’re referring to the latest whacko right-wing talking point that that Obamacare will deny health care to seniors, or that somehow a public system in the vein of Europe will not be able to adequately care for seniors.
Well guess what? You’ve been had. It’s not true.
the United States has a higher “mortality amendable to health care” than European countries, which means “deaths from certain causes before age 75 that are potentially preventable with timely and effective health care.”
So you can make up as much bull*** as you want, but the facts don’t lie. When it comes to caring for our seniors, Europe does it better.
I think this song applies to President Obama right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x61mR8PY7A8
We have not reached the point where the One explains precisely how and why the others are worthy of his disdain, but he has been steadily moving in that direction. As the teleprompter often teleprompts him: “Make no mistake!”. Sooner or later the condescenders get themselves into the descending part of the deal. Lots of damage in the meantime, though.
That was such a huge error. Wow. I’m sure glad Rachel isn’t POTUS; all 57 states in the biggest islamic country in the world would be in deep doo-doo if we had a leader who couldn’t get his facts straight.
Wow. I really hope you’re using the term “euthanasia” figuratively. Otherwise, you’re in crazy person territory. I’m guessing you’re referring to the latest whacko right-wing talking point that that Obamacare will deny health care to seniors, or that somehow a public system in the vein of Europe will not be able to adequately care for seniors.
While In France public health care is not that bad and for now euthanasia is illegal, in Spain they are pusshing euthansia full steam, have acquitted a doctor who purposefully murdered dozens of patients and in then Netherlands hunreds of people are killed every year without their consent (that is murder in my dictionary) but much to the joy the people managing the healthcare system
Sorry, Mike W, but you are comparing different populations and drawing a conclusion that does not necessarily follow.
Japanese life expectancy is the highest in the world, but people aren’t holding their healthcare system up as the model. Their superior results are commonly attributed to a more healthy diet and genetics.
67. Mike W.:
Please don’t use anything said by Levin to support your positions, he is one of the Senators from my home state (MI) and he is the the most useless a$$hat alive. In the multiple decades he has been bilking the taxpayers of this country he never generated a useful bit of legislation or even worked up a pithy quote.
The F-22 might not be the fighter of the future, but those ancient dingbats in the Armed Forces Committee aren’t going into combat in a thirty-year old design (think F-16) either. Typical politicians; not their blood=not their problem.
65. Strawman:
“DNFTT.”
LMAO! Excellent acronym!
31. Now and Then:
“Where’s Jesus’ birth certificate?”
N&T, I think “Where is Satan’s birth certificate?” would have been a better analogy. ;p
67. Mike W.:
Off topic, but you are largely correct, though for some slightly different reasoning. The F22 concept was conceived back during the cold war and it’s mission was a high altitude air superiority fighter. They’re most efficient performing at altitudes above most weather and performing in the rain is not a high value design criteria for that mission. The F22 isn’t itself outdated from a technological viewpoint, as nothing else being built anywhere by anyone or on the drawing board approaches it. But it’s mission in the numbers originally projected is outdated. The existing F22 squadrons are not going to be decommissioned but the Pentagon would rather see it’s budget go to production programs more relative to current and projected threats. Obama listened to the right people. McCain would have done the same. It’s the right call. F22 production should be curtailed.
Look people, the birth certificate thing is a non starter. It makes us all look like wingnuts, ok? Its stupid conspiracy nut stuff.
I very much agree with you, billslayer. It also makes it look like we’re scrounging for things to complain about, as if Obama’s policies are so terrific that the only case we can make against him is his stupid birth certificate.
Anton,
Again off topic, for which I apologize to all, but being a thirty-year old design is necessarily a bad thing in low intensity warfare. The F16 is far more useful in a ground attack role than the F22. For that matter, resurrecting and upgrading the A10 Warthogs makes more sense if your willing to trade off the F22′s stealthy aspects for the Warthogs armor and durability. F22s and F16s come in fast and are gone. The A10 shakes the world.
57. Jack wrote:
Read my first post (this is the third time you’ve flubbed reading it) and you’ll understand I am posting to point out how I feel about people like you wasting airwaves talking about polls instead of issues
Peter asks: Then why are you wasting your time on a thread strictly about The Won’s polling numbers? If you feel it’s a waste of your time, your are perfectly free (at least at this time, who knows if you will have such an option in a year or so?) to go elsewhere.
At last, the crowning triumph of Liberalism has occurred: Affirmative Action has provided us with a minority president. (Unfortunately, affirmative action has never guaranteed competence, as is more evident every day).
Mike W: It doesnt really sound like you really know anything about that F22 other than what is written in wikipedia. Yes, it is an air superiority fighter and long range strike platform, and no, there is no other comparable aircraft in the inventories of the other nations of the world. It is our conventional long range strike capability that set our abilities in another class from the rest of the world. It is precisely the sort of capacity that people who consider america imperialist want curtailed.
And the rest of you, McCain…well, he didn’t exactly work out for us, did he?
America wakes up after a groggy kool-aid riddled high in the ‘Poppy Field’…
A little too, little too late.
The man behind the green curtain is evil and ugly and has cruel intentions and has the power to ‘change’ things you never ‘hoped’ for.
“There’s no place like home” repeated three times just ain’t gonna cut it in the real world.
Where is ‘home’ now, America? Face it, we are ‘skrewed’ unless enough ‘wakers’ unite against this insanity.
#59 Enemyofthestate, thank you for your service!
I like the way you think. While I’m 49 and, as such, not a combat vet, you point out things I
too have thought.
BTW people, if Bush started it and Obama continued it….it might suck. The idea that we should be fighting “low intensity conflicts” instead of girding ourselves as an insurmountable superpower is stupid. If you want to firght terrorism, go after the state actors that enable it. IE Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran. Fighting cavemen in the dirt, completely negates the lessons learned in the last 2500 years of the evolution of the western way of war. Dont do it. Simply destroy them from the air. And no, you dont need nukes to do that, you just need the understanding that you really are at war and people really do die in war.
- HOWEVER -
Without taking a position one way or the other on whether he’s a natural born citizen and qualified to be POTUS, it’s not illegitimate to ask the question, and demand due diligence.
Frankly, not only should he be required to furnish his birth certificate as a matter of routine due dilligence, he should also have to apply for a security clearance, just like any other federal employee. And if he doesn’t qualify according to the rules that apply to civil servants (i.e. past associations with revolutionaries, etc.), he shouldn’t be issued a security clearance, and shouldn’t be allowed access to classified information.
57. Jack
“…how I feel about people like you wasting airwaves talking about polls instead of issues”
Well, thanks for illuminating us as to your perspective on free speech.
Until you’re appointed to something by The Won, I don’t actually think that your “feelings” about “people like (us) WASTING AIRWAVES”(????) is a relevant point.
Your stripes are showing.
#13..I agree , totally, look for 2010, right before the election, to be a banner year for our money to handed back to us as a gift…
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I have not heard people say they “hope Obama fails”. HOWEVER!!!..I have heard many say they hope the socialist policies he seems to be trying to implement fail. So do I. So? What’s your point out there?
Congressman Gresham Barrett is an example of people paying attention to what is going on and speaking up.
56.1% favorable and falling. AMA doctors leaving the organization, even Democrats are now very opposed to his AAHCA of 1018 pages bill and most if not all Republicans against it also. It also appears that they will go ahead on their little month long recess without voting for the bill at all. I hope the congress is finally getting the message from the majority of this country which is this is a bad bill and must not pass.
The BIRTH CERT DOES NOT MATTER…
-Because?
DohBama has ‘admitted’ that he had/has ‘dual citizenship’ which SHOULD have DISQUALIFIED him for POTUS.
Here’s yet another blog about that sitch:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/obamas-dual-citizenship-disaster-an-overview/
The bogus POTUS, the MSM, the idiot Hollyweirdos and DohBama’s cronies all need a firm B*TCH slap upside the head.
EPIC FAIL.
Rachel: Bravo! Excellent points.
MikeW: “Rachel, if you can’t even get the most basic facts straight, why should anyone be expected to believe your way-too-far-out-on-a-limb rants?” I’ve dribbled you so many times I cannot remember them all. You are factually incompetant pretty much all the time. So do not attempt to make points by pointing to someone’s innocent mistakes. For instance: “…it is outdated, and it has trouble performing in the rain.” Duh! Its first squadron was commissioned in 2005. You m@#%# It is you who does not know your facts.
Typically you have taken some posters off topic which is your MO because you cannot debate the topic most often written.
The topic in case you cannot read is about Obama’s dropping poll numbers. Oh, but it’s a fact and you cannot debate facts-I forgot.
Commuter: “The existing F22 squadrons are not going to be decommissioned but the Pentagon would rather see it’s budget go to production programs more relative to current and projected threats.” Does not make sense. The F-22 was designed and built exactly for “projected threats.” China and Russia are building 5th gen. fighters right now.
Gates and his cronies succumbed to the threat by Obama to cut the program. Just like they are cutting other military programs in an effort to get money for liberal progrmas. I have no respect for McLame; to use him as a source is, is lame.
57. Jack,
You ‘waste’ space and people’s time here by arguing with commenters you obviously cannot even argue politely with.
WHO is wasting the ‘airwaves’?
Why even come here at all, Jacko? Does it hurt your leetle pea rolling around in your skull?
Poll numbers are very, very important.
97. Blarty Blarckleblart:
“Poll numbers are very, very important.”
LOL. Yes, you’re calling some of us on our own hypocrisy. I ‘get’ that and yes, you’re right. Many of us [me included] disbelieved the high poll numbers for 0bama or ignored them.
-But, answer me this BlartyMcSheeshers:
Does 0bama care about the ‘polls’? Should ‘any’ president ‘care’ about the ‘polls’?
Yaknow, I’ve never been ‘polled’ in my life? WTF?! I feel ripped off.
-And, don’t make a joke about being ‘polled’, you brat.
I must vote with blotto on this one: good job Rachel. It’s a cut-and-paste reference and pretty good at silencing the Kool-Aid drinkers who feel that the Ra (the Sun God) emerges every morning out of The Boy King’s sphincter.
#56 Ked5 – That has been debunked numerous times (including by the US Supreme Court and the State of Hawaii…who should know more about it than you, I would think). The State and National governments have stated that the Certificate of Live birth is sufficient proof of citizenship and to argue otherwise would be to advocate removing citizenship for many many residents of Hawaii.
Show me where any official legal body says otherwise or let it go.
Jack
94…thanks goot site
I am farfarfar from a constitutional expert, but i do not see dual mentioned, it may be implied. Natural born is there.
No matter, it will get no where. The people that have backed Obama (what ever his name is) have bank rolled this man and put a LOT of effort getting him into the presidency and will NOT allow him to be taken down.
It is NOT politics as usual in America. It is the politics of socialism, money, and deceit. Sounds like Russia and the Middle East combined,and a little China for effect.
the polls are important to all politicians. However, perhaps the only reason Obama is sweating the polls is he is NOT delivering as expected and he’s worried. He has to deliver…to whom??? Obviously not the American people in general.
The versatility of the fighter fleet is the whole reason for the production of the F/A/EC-18G. By making improvements on the utility of the F/A-18, we make fighter pilots interchangeable with one another while greatly improving the force at our disposal.
As for euthanasia, there is plenty to be concerned about that the elderly and disabled may not be properly treated for the sake of saving money.
Poll numbers are very, very important.
In this case, they very well might be. It certainly looks as though they are emboldening the Blue Dog Dems to push back against Obama’s health care plan.
If the Dems unite, they could pass any sort of legislation Obama wants. If there is resistance, it’s because the Blue Dog Dems are looking at the polls and realizing that, while The One’s campaign rhetoric sounded very nice and all, they want to get reelected in 2010.
I knew America was sick with left-wing PC back in summer of 1992 when I attended college. Everything that has happened since simply confirms what I knew 17 years ago.
“President Obama is the quintessential politician.”
I am so tired of hearing this nonsense. Why are even right-wingers in awe of this used car salesman? We’re constantly hearing how he’s the “quintessential politician”, how he’s a “master rhetorician”. He’s neither. And it shows how far our standards have fallen that a man with barely the ability to recite a speech without stumbling is praised so effusively even by his detractors.
Obama was mainly the benefit of very good timing, societal guilt, and a star-struck, racist media (yes, refusing to question a person because of his skin color is racist). The society did more for him than his supposed abilities did; this is not a ‘master politician’, but a successful con man.
98 Delia
Does 0bama care about the ‘polls’?
I don’t know.
Should ‘any’ president ‘care’ about the ‘polls’?
Yes. They should be interested in what the country thinks of them. That’s not to say they should let peaks and valleys in poll numbers dictate policy, because people are fickle and poll numbers change; still, the president represents the people and he should be sensitive to their opinion. That goes for any president.
Poor RP – as ususal she writes before she has the facts straight. This seems to be a common problem with most of her posts
Good to see Dopeyperson is still down that birth certificate rabbit hole
(Chuckling) “Well, first of all, you have got to know I don’t pay attention to polls. I just don’t. I have got a job to do for the American people.”
— GEORGE W. BUSH, 2003
106. Blarty,
That was a very decent, good and honest answer. Thank you and I agree.
“Much like some of my favorite baseball teams, there could be a bad summer swoon ahead for President Obama.”
While experience teaches us to give people with good intentions the benefit of the doubt, what we have with Obama is a president who only has intentions without executive ability. Obama is the metaphorical poet trying to play baseball. Obama should be embarrased to have misled the country into thinking that a poet can play baseball, but he is blind because he thinks he is the manager, when he is actually a player. He is a rookie swinging wildly at the plate and striking out. Of course, every once in a while he will hit something, but that is no way to run the country.
I have no doubt anymore that Obama has very few executive talents — there is no excuse for the lack of leadership that he has already shown. I do not believe he will ever show the degree of humility necessary for the “undrafted rookie” that he is on the field. Over time, I expect him to get worse, not better. But at least there is some solace in preparing oneself for the worst.
jack #100- Show me where any national body (including the Supremem Court) has stated where the “Certificate of Live Birth” is PROOF of Obama being a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
You can’t, because they have not!
NOBODY is saying that Obama is not a citizen NOW…MANY are saying that Obama does not qualify under the Constitution and the laws of Hawaii at the time if his birth.
Learn more about the issue and you’ll realize this won’t be going away anytime soon…unless and until Obama produces the LONG FORM certificate.
WHY won’t he just do that simple thing and help his plummeting poll numbers in the process???
…kill two birds with one phone call, so to speak?
PEOPLE: The birth certificate thing has no legs. Frankly is so dull that I’m beginning to have deja vu going on about Bush and the Dan Rather /National Guard papers. Ill bet at some point there’s going to be someone he forges some papers, then he’ll be exposed as a fraud and the rest of us just look craven. But… there’s much better speculation about the One’s past. Re:What other services did Sweet Little Barry have to provide to Big Daddy Tony for all those big bucks? Follow that trail, because…well frankly it’s just far more amusing.
DaveII: If he produced a birth certificate that would satisfy you, would you then support him? Obama knows full well that “the birthers” will not be fans of his no matter what, so it’s in his best interest that they continue to harp about it. Believe me, Dems are delighted when conservatives focus on that and not on the details of his health care plan or foreign policy.
Not entirely OT: here’s an article on “The Blue State Meltdown.” I would enjoy it more if not for the fact that I live in a blue state myself:
the most severe fiscal and economic basket cases largely are concentrated in places such as New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Oregon, and, perhaps most vividly of all, California. The last three have among the highest unemployment rates in the country; all the aforementioned are deeply in debt and have been forced to impose employee cutbacks and higher taxes almost certain to blunt a strong recovery.
The East Coast–dominated media, of course, wants to claim that we have reached “the twilight” of Sunbelt growth. This observation seems a bit premature. Instead, traditional red-state strongholds such as the Dakotas, Idaho, Texas, Utah, and North Carolina, dominated the list of fastest-growing regions recently compiled for Forbes by my colleagues at http://www.newgeography.com.
When the recovery comes, job growth also is most likely to resurge first in the red states, while the blue states continue to lag behind. For reasons as diverse as regulatory policy, aging infrastructure, and high levels of taxation, blue states continue to be more susceptible to recessions than their red counterparts.
And the people who yap the most about unfairness and inequality live in the most inequal states:
This elite strategy has served to bifurcate most blue states into an affluent core and a rapidly declining periphery. For example, California, a state whose shift from red to blue has given some heft to “progressives” everywhere, has experienced an increasing gap between a small sliver of wealthy metropolitan residents along the coast and an increasingly marginalized interior populated largely by middle- and working-class Hispanics.
http://www.american.com/archive/2009/july/the-blue-state-meltdown-and-the-collapse-of-the-chicago-model
112. Dave ll: “MANY are saying that Obama does not qualify under the Constitution and the laws of Hawaii at the time if his birth.”
Yes, MANY people also believed that we never landed on the moon, MANY people believe that Paul McCartney is dead, and MANY people believe that 9/11 was an inside job. There’s a term that THE REST OF US use to describe these MANY people: morons.
“Learn more about the issue and you’ll realize this won’t be going away anytime soon…unless and until Obama produces the LONG FORM certificate. “
You’re right, it won’t be ging away, but that’s not becuas this issue is credible, it’s only because opportunistic nutcases like Dick Morris, Michelle Malkin and Orly Taitz know that the birther conspiracy narrative is an excellent way to rile up gullible racists. How much $$$ do you think Malkin is making off of rubes like you everytime she writes another pathetic birther conspiracy article? Apparently enough.
I think the better question is, when the rest of the country is focusing one of the greatest challenges our generation will face, reforming the health care industry, why is the right-wing instead peddling childish, ludicrous bull**** conspiracy theories?
“WHY won’t he just do that simple thing and help his plummeting poll numbers in the process???”
Simple – you don’t feed the animals at the zoo. If the president responds to one nutcase, then he’s legitimizing the question and well as the questioner. But neither the questioner nor the question deserve legitimacy. By choosing not to lend credence to crackpots, Obama not only stays above the fray, he insulates himself from having to waste his time and duties repsonding to every single bull**** accusation that comes along.
New song: “♫♪The ‘tingle’ is gone.♫”
Mike W.,
What do you have to ‘provide’ as ‘evidence’ to your identity and citizenship to join the FBI/CIA/Military?
K.I.S.S. method preferred.
Also, properly ‘vetting’ a president should be mandatory in our country and not a ‘oops__second thought”.
If 0bama is proven to be a bogus POTUS, the Constitutional crisis that will ensue will make the current economic crisis look like a cake-walk.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Well, what do you expect when flim-flam comes to mind as an original description of the current occupant of the Oval Office?
Check this out by Daniel Hannan:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100004334/nazi-dress-row-embarrasses-meps/
It reminds me of a buried news story a number of years back. Canada at the time was governed by the Liberals, a left of centre political party. One of its ministers, David Dingwall, who in the next election of 1997 lost his seat (primarily due to other reasons) said this: Women change the rules, and when you become familiar with the new rules, women change them again.
Well, like I said it was buried as a 3 paragraph story (at most).
So, in all honesty, what else can we expect from
those doppelgangers?
Having said that it’s a legitimate question to ask, let’s not go off in the other direction and start claiming that it’s a known fact that the POTUS isn’t a NBC. All I want is for him to have to cough up the same paperwork I have to to get a driver’s license. That doesn’t mean that I think or know that there’s any kind of specific problem.
Truthers, AGW believers, socialists, all make the mistake of certitude.
Mike W #115 comment: you state …”you don’t feed the animals at the zoo” I don’t feed animals at any zoo, it is true, but someone has to or they would starve. You also state “By choosing not to lend credence to crackpots (aka the American public), Obama not only stays above the fray, he insulates himself from having to waste his time…responding to every…accusation that comes along.” Mike, what you don’t understand is this: If your president (like all previous president’s) allowed free access to his sealed records, your president would be in jail.
95. blotto:
Sorry man, but I stand by it. Didn’t happen overnight. The projected F22 production numbers have been dropping perennially since the Berlin Wall went down way back when it was still called the ATF and the threat situation changed. And it’s continued to have it’s numbers cut through several administrations and long before Gates.
Even a stopped clock is right now and again. Obama got this one right.
MikeW: Are you still here? Geez, how many times do you have to be refuted until you get the message that this is a grown up site where adult debate occurs???
Your last para. demonstrates the absurdity of your debate: a president who hides something is always investigated for it-if that president is a GOP. But the left and their sycophants in the MSM will not do due diligence on their president or candidates.
Mike W: How do you respond to all of the wretched rumours about our dear leader which say that he got his knees dirty before Tony Rezko in exchange for his start in Chicago Politics? I almost feel sorry that poor little Barry had to go through that kind of degrading and humiliating treatment, but you know…pay for play;)
Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure. I hate these polls; they have a tendency to be skewed in one direction or another by the type of questions that are asked while polling. Yes Obama is a stupid tool and Biden is an even stupider tool. Liars both. The question is who really cares? Obviously some people do but not enough yet. The idea that others like the current Republicans are going to do better is only right by a degree or two. Our current crop of politico’s need to go and go fast, some to jail, which they would if law enforcement had any balls. Of course that seems radical but radical is required as an antidote for the radical robbery that’s being executed on Americans by a small minority of evil doers, haters, second hander’s and elitists who all think they can escape with the goods or force their evil ideology on those who don’t want it. How about a poll that asks; Do you want someone to make health care decisions for you and your family besides you and your doctor? Then hold up a picture of your average acorn worker as the decider and see where the poll stands. Simplify it even father; hold a picture of one of the early release convicts from California and ask; would you like this man making your health care decisions for you? Probably 95% NO! and 5% Yes. Do you think the government is going to hire medical doctors for this task? They won’t, it’ll be like the security checkers at the airport, and they will do what they are instructed to do, no more, no less, well maybe less. Let’s have some honest straight forward polling for a change.
#112 Dave II – Who should I look to for proof? The Supreme Court chose not to hear the case (3 times), so they must be satisfied.
The fourteenth ammendment to our Constitution states, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” So if he was born IN Hawaii, he was born in the United States and thus eligible. The dual citizenship angle is moot – the Constitution is clear…it’s where you were born that matters. Born here = citizen.
So was he born in Hawaii? Hawaii thinks so. The Director of Hawaii’s Department of Health stated that his “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” His COLB states his place of birth as Honolulu (which is in the U.S.). At least 1 (and I believe 2) LOCAL papers had birth announcements for him on that day.
I can’t personally confirm it, but I’ve read that 782 cases have been denied by American Judges thus far on this topic.
So, if the Supreme Court, the Constitution, the State of Hawaii, two local newspapers in 1961, and a vast host of state and federal judges all pointing in the same direction isn’t good enough for you, then I don’t know what to tell you except that you are really grasping at straws.
If the long form doesn’t exist, I don’t see an issue unless someone can point to a law that indicates that the long form is required to prove citizenship. No one has. I suspect no one will.
Jack
Does anyone honestly think being a ‘politician’ is real, genuine ‘work’???????
#123 Blotto – “But the left and their sycophants in the MSM will not do due diligence on their president or candidates.”
Bill Clinton. Ad nauseum. From philandering in Arkansas while running for Prez and from Travel-gate through Monica-gate during his presidency. Pretty sure I saw some MSM piling on somewhere in all of that. Short memory?
Jack
123. blotto: MikeW: Are you still here? Geez, how many times do you have to be refuted until you get the message that this is a grown up site where adult debate occurs???
This place? A grown-up site? Are you kidding? This place is a cesspool of racist, know-nothing anti-American filth and pathetic right-wing conspiracy theories. A last refuge of a dwindling breed of anti-science creationist nutcases.
I continue to drop by now and then because reading the hundreds of insane and hate-filled posts, and watching angry bigots like yourself flip their **** over a liberal black president is hysterical.
You keep being crazy, and I’ll keep being here.
RE #115/ Mike W & his obfuscating cohorts:
Mike, it’s more and more obvious that BO has a big problem as presidential eligibility – and another confirmation of this comes from the fact that the libs are indeed worried and have mobilized the media to attack anyone who demands due clarifications in this matter from Obama.
Yet all they (can) do in this direction is that none of the “refuters” do refute facts, they just roll eyes, sigh and obfuscate:
* On CNN this morning (still posted), some rants & irrelevant “evidence” w/o adressing the matter (that ridiculous ad announcing BO’s birth, ad who no one knows from what paper comes and which has NEVER-EVER been presented in a large, unbroken visual context, i.e. THE FULL SIZE, TITLED & DATED VERIFIABLE NEWSPAPER PAGE, then Fukino’s oblique statement, which at no point CLEARLY REPRESENTS THAT THE HAWAII HD IS IN POSSESSION OF A VERIFIABLE CERTIFICATE ATTESTING THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII, etc. (And these solemnly declared by Novak from FactCheck, an Annenberg Foundation project, Annenberg Foundation where Obama and ayeres were board directors!)
* A Los Angeles Time piece by James Rainey (a major MoveOnOrg type) trying to ridicule the birthers, and this by clumsily refusing to address any the legitimate quastions over this matter;
* then again this morning on CNN, Jonathan Martin (now this was indeed a despaired rant), comparing the “Birthers” with the Holocaust deniers, etc…
Then you, Mike W, who at no point address the matter, either, and here I will test your integrity:
INFORM the PJM readership from what Hawaii newspaper (name, date, section) comes the ad anouncing Obama’s birth – and give us the chance, after researching the newspaper, to apologize & repent.
Mike W, will you do this? C’mon, be good sports, and tell us where to find that ad. Do it buddy, do it, your honor is on line -
’till then, all the Obamatrolls’ efforts nothing but confirm that… EPPUR SI MUOVE! Yes, Virginia – Barack is not a US legitimate president and the Dems and liberals and other powers that be are running on empty!
The Shadow: Good to see you haven’t changed and are still grunting out unintelligent HuffPo-esque banter. Is it safe to assume you haven’t taken up reading in your spare time?
90. Strawman wrote:
…he should also have to apply for a security clearance, just like any other federal employee. And if he doesn’t qualify according to the rules that apply to civil servants (i.e. past associations with revolutionaries, etc.), he shouldn’t be issued a security clearance, and shouldn’t be allowed access to classified information.
Peter writes: It wouldn’t be the first time. FDR prior to Pearl Harbor was taken off the list of individuals authorized to receive ULTRA intelligence (Intel obtained through the breaking of Japanese naval codes) when an ULTRA dispatch was found thrown out in an ordinary White House garbage can.
People will claim the President needs to be informed of all intel to do his job properly, but it has been shown time and time again that when politicians are given classified material, it winds up leaking to the public either purposely or accidentally. Several hundred submariners lost their lives because a US Senator decided it would be a good idea to tell newpaper reporters that Japanese depth charges were set 100 feet too shallow during WWII. A more recent example is someone in Congress leaking the CIA plan for killing Al Qaeda big-wigs that never got implemented but was still considered classified.
If the POTUS can’t pass the same requirements I had to pass to obtain a TS clearence, he should not be receiving classified materials.
105. AtheistConservative wrote:
“President Obama is the quintessential politician.”
I am so tired of hearing this nonsense. Why are even right-wingers in awe of this used car salesman?
Peter writes: AC, I think when some people, particularly those on the right, use the term ‘quintessential politician’ to describe The Won, they mean it in terms of the only time he isn’t lying is when his mouth is shut and he’s in politics only to help himself and no one else.
116. Delia wrote:
New song: “♫♪The ‘tingle’ is gone.♫”
Peter writes: That’s cool, Delia! How did you get notes to appear?
134. Peter the Bubblehead:
“Peter writes: That’s cool, Delia! How did you get notes to appear?”
Delia answers: Windows character map and Garamond font [a windows system font]. Great posts btw. ☺ ☼
http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/fontsoftware/ht/character_map.htm
HTH
Rachel Peepers (Comment 52) – never mind the completely insignificant F16/F22 confusion, another more disgraceful shocking and utterly horrific inaccurate fact found it’s way into your post. You say:
“As Stan would say to Ollie, “a fine mess you’ve gotten us in.””
It was, in fact, Ollie who said to Stan ” a fine mess you’ve gotten us in”
The rest of the post was well worth a read as usual
#130 Misanthropicus – “INFORM the PJM readership from what Hawaii newspaper (name, date, section) comes the ad anouncing Obama’s birth – and give us the chance, after researching the newspaper, to apologize & repent. ”
Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961 Section B-6 under “Births, Marriages, and Deaths”
Honolulu Star-Bulletin, August 14, 1961.
Scans of both articles are located below.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
Oh, and here is an article from the Honolulu Advertiser itself where it mentions it’s own article from it’s own Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961 edition (it provides yet another scan from that paper).
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081109/NEWS01/811090361/-1/specialobama08
And in case you wonder why both lists of Birth announcements are the same, it’s because the papers get them from the State Department of Health (so Hawaii seemed to think he was born there too).
Now go do what you promised and take this chance to go and research the newspapers. If you so strongly believe what you are claiming, I’m sure you’ll do your due diligence and come back with something other than a blatant conspiracy-driven denial of the scans claiming fraud (with no proof) and that both of those papers are in on it (along with the Dept. of Health back in 1961 who were already planning Obama’s ascendency).
Jack
“they mean it in terms of the only time he isn’t lying is when his mouth is shut and he’s in politics only to help himself and no one else.”
The problem is that it comes off as praise. And I’m tired of people praising the guy. He hasn’t achieved anything. Every single one of his policies so far has been a disastrous failure. Yet he’s still riding high, and even his detractors and opponents have to lead with “Sure, Obama’s awesome, but …”
Re: polls – There is an important difference between Obama and Bush. First, Obama sold himself as ‘the chosen one’. He repeats the “I won” mantra, and treats his marginal victory as a sweeping mandate for transformational change. So the essence of his plans is that the people supposedly want what he wants. Thus, public rejection of his agenda is significantly more important than with most other presidents. Second, Bush’s approval ratings tanked because of the Iraq war. No president should conduct warfare based on popularity, and I extend this to presidents from both parties – I wouldn’t want Obama to pull us out of Afghanistan just because it became unpopular, just as it was a mistake for Clinton to pull us out of Somalia (the action that emboldened Osama bin Laden).
ABBA’s “Waterloo”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVGSKVkkyhc
137. Jack,
Hawaii is pretty lax regarding birth announcements in the ‘paper’, especially back then.
Barack’s birth place is probably not the ‘BFD’ here. It’s the fact he’s a bastard that he’s probably covering up with big BUXX.
Barack should have been vetted properly. He was never eligable because of his dual citizenship. To become POTUS is much different and requires much more vigilance than for any other political placement.
The reason our Founding Fathers wrote the specifics of this into the Constitution was to avoid this very, real conflict, which is dual ‘loyalties’.
Do you honestly think in your wildest imagination that Barry Sotero is not a liar and actually LOVES the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA???????????
Whoa! This is so much worse than Bush/Cheney!
#137 Delia – I’ll defer to your knowledge of the intricacies of how Hawiian papers worked in the 1960′s, however I think it unlikely that two papers invented Obama’s birth within 24 hours of each other.
And, per the 14th ammendment, if you are born in the US, you are a citizen, regardless of who your parents are. The requirement to be a “natural born citizen” to become President has NEVER been ruled to have any intricacies other than being born here, which Obama was. Anyone who is suddenly trying to revise what that “really” meant is just trying to grasp at some straw to get Obama booted. The Supreme Court also isn’t buying it, and has denied 3 petitions already.
I’m not going to address who loves America and who doesn’t. It’s not a fruitful topic likely to go anywhere.
Jack
Sorry, that was supposed to be:
#140 Delia
and not
#137 Delia
Jack
Jack…Thank you, thank you for providing links to the classified ads in the Honolulu newspapers proving the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES’ birthplace! Since we now know that the Congress will accept black and white classified ads as proof of residency for the highest office I’m guessing that during the next election an address scratched on the back of an ACORN flyer in crayon should suffice? Just making sure. We want to be clear on those pesky Constitutional requirements and all. We know you liberals are sticklers for details right?
Hey, any change we can get a link or two to his college transcripts/records? I’m sure there’s a classified ad or a scrap of Kleenex with his grades scribbled on it somewhere!
President Obama’s news conference will be almost identical to his infamous Porkulus speech–just insert Health Care instead of “stimulus.” It will be tempting to watch him fall to pieces as more & more Democrats peel off from his radical agenda over the coming weeks. President Obama also looks weak when he does not know the details of the bills himself; he looks like a buffoon.
The bloom is off the rose & the rose is dead. On the the thorns remain. This is President Obama without the mask…
#144 AThinkingPerson – That post was a response to a specific challenge from misanthropicus. Who knows why the deniers focus on any little thing like birth notices to find something to cling to. I guess because their argument is so weak they’ll take whatever they can get. None of us would have to spend time on this silliness if the deniers/conspiracy theorists could just let it go. So you clearly agree he was born in the U.S., no?
If you want the rest of the story read my prior posts (#126 specifically). It may be harder to refute that post with facts but then maybe that’s why no one has chosen to respond to it.
Jack
I always come here and enjoy the articles and the people who add to it.
143. Jack,
I think you just wanted to say my name twice. *wink-winky-wink-wink*
Remember when you Lefties felt ‘Bush-whacked’?
This is much, much worst.
Trust me on this.
Take the blinders off and understand this isn’t just about party politics…this is about our Country surviving some really shiteous policies.
There are some wonderful people from the Left and Right…but, no in the ‘elite’ seats…the ‘real’ people who are going to be affected by all of this and who are frightened for our country.
*sigh*
#148 Delia Delia – (damn, I keep doing that)…
I’d much rather be talking about politics than about Bush’s time in the military and Obama’s birth certificate. In fact that’s why my first post here was that this excitement to watch Obama’s poll numbers fall to revel in I-told-you-so’s is about as useful as when the Dems did it to Bush. It would be nice if we could get past all of this and focus on the economy and the pending health-care mess and start acting as a unified group instead of routinely devolving into this school-yard crud.
*sigh* indeed.
Jack
P.S. Jack, thank you for the polite discourse. I appreciate it when you Lefties come here and try to make your points without personal attacks.
149. Jack:
Jack, ‘three times’ is a charm though.
I’m frustrated and terrified of how 0bama wants to ‘transform’ America.
When I type my feelings here, they come from my gut instincts. I’m scared. I think a lot of people are and the vent their frustrations and emotions here.
I try my darndest to understand people who have a different opinion than me, and yes, I even have compassion and love for them because I’ve experienced some very dark places in my life.
There are days when I just want to break down and cry, not for me though, but for other people.
Anyway… Delia digressed again…
P.S. Pardon my perpetuous typos. I’m tuckered and dealing with a lot of pain.
” In fact that’s why my first post here was that this excitement to watch Obama’s poll numbers fall to revel in I-told-you-so’s is about as useful as when the Dems did it to Bush. It would be nice if we could get past all of this and focus on the economy and the pending health-care mess and start acting as a unified group ”
I truly despise this mealy-mouthed, let’s-all-get-along nonsense.
First, Obama’s falling poll numbers are just one of many subjects posted today alone on PJM. This website, and countless other websites with a Conservative audience, spend far more time talking about his failed policies than his falling popularity.
Second, Obama’s poll numbers are more significant than Bush’s. And that’s not partisan logic – this wouldn’t be the case with a career politician like Hillary Clinton, for example. As I stated above, Obama ran his entire campaign on this hopeychange populist nonsense, and his final argument since taking the hot seat has always been ‘the people want this’. But the people don’t want his policies. That’s been evident for months, but his personal popularity is finally aligning with the popularity (or lack thereof) of his policies. This is important.
Third, I’ll agree the birth certificate issue is a waste of time. A lot of things about Obama’s shady life bother me, but the birth certificate is just one of a pile of documents that we weren’t allowed to examine (college transcripts, his thesis, and so on were also kept out of the public eye). But engaging with the nutroots and then decrying the nutroots is a very shady tactic. So if you hate the subject, drop it. Don’t reply to it.
Fourth, and most importantly, there is no “can we all just get along”. Almost without exception, there is no “reach across the aisle”. Because statists and Conservatives have entirely different fundamental concepts of how this country should be run. That’s why we have different political parties in the first place.
Which is why the whole thing is so offensive to me. To the statist, the “can’t we all just get along” line is simple passive-aggressiveness: it means “can’t you just agree with me”. That’s the real definition of Obama’s “bipartisanship”: letting you occasionally speak your mind, then dismissing what you have to say.
22. Terry, 61. Donna V.:
“vivo: typically misses the point. There is no 6:66 AM, dope.”
I guess you guys didn’t get the pun. The poll was talking about the devil, 666. Get it?
I’m laughing all the way to hell . . .
Jack, ATPerson, Delia,
The three of you put me to sleep with all your logical, courteous and polite discourse. I’m ready to rant about Obama’s upcoming death knell vote on health care, but it’s just not in me.
Where’s Vivo and Shadow when I need them?
You three just go on making smart, intelligent points (although I did enjoy the unseemly ridicule ATPerson hurled at Jack.
“Hey, any chance we can get a link or two to his college transcripts/records? I’m sure there’s a classified ad or a scrap of Kleenex with his grades scribbled on it somewhere!”
But I like Jack too much to really enjoy Athinkingperson’s fabulous wit. This blog if really falling into the depth of Bucklian, Galbreithian verbal sparring. I think I miss Firing Line.
Instead of a Rachel rant, I’m gonna read some case law and hit the sack. Right after I throw up.
Vivo,
Even you fail me. six, six, six is too flawed to work. At least you tried. Please before I go to sleep, tell me s story how Barack is going to save the country. Insult somebody. Be your old repulsive self.
I promise tomorrow, if you do, you’ll get a good rant from me.
Love, Rachel
&emptybambi wants the whole workforece to be dependent on the Government either for their jobs, for handouts or for health care. That way he has CONTROL and this is what its ALL about.
“It would be nice if we could get past all of this and focus on the economy and the pending health-care mess and start acting as a unified group ”
You got the cart in front of the horse. We won’t get past all this until AFTER the economy is fixed, which the Usurper is incapable of doing. What health care mess? Ain’t nothing wrong with health care in America. If you want to be part of a unified group, move to North Korea. They will give you a bowl of rice.
AS far as the birth certificate issue, it is the most important even in American history. That you fail to understand this is graphic evidence of why not requiring civics in Primary school is a major mistake. You have absolutely no clue as to what America is.
158 John Samford
“AS far as the birth certificate issue, it is the most important even (sic) in American history. That you fail to understand this is graphic evidence of why not requiring civics in Primary school is a major mistake.”
Thank you, John.
Granted, there are verbal shortcuts and repetition going on with re to the birth certificate, but that is only because of obama’s belligerent refusal to address it.
Try refusing to produce your driver’s license when the police officer asks for it–and then use as your defense that your refusal to produce it doesn’t prove you don’t have one.
There has been a “willing suspension of disbelief” (to borrow Hillary’s sarcasm toward General Petraeus) on this point by those who just don’t want this very clever deceiver held to a common standard of public discourse with regard to qualifications for national officeholders.
Yes, sometimes there are “hysterical edges” to the demands for the birth certificate, so if you want to cover your head and just whine at everyone to “stop arguing, guys–I don’t LIKE it!”, go ahead. But if the house actually is burning down, are you really going to focus on criticizing the hysterical housewife trapped in the house instead of actually trying to put out the blasted fire?
Personally, I think some of you are just scared that the house really is burning down around and like a good Stockholm syndrome victim, you think that if you are nice to the guy who started the fire, he’ll be nice to you.
Cubans in Miami fighting against the same government actions their families fought against 45 years ago in Cuba:
Miami Herald article from 7/23/2009:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/story/1153630.html
Obama’s using tactics from Castro’s playbook. Castro never lied either!
#158 John Samford – Unless you can point out a rule of law that hasn’t already been heard and dismissed, or some prior precedent that is being overlooked, then I’m going to let my prior comments stand.
And as to the cart and the horse, you are busy playing in the horse droppings and letting the cart sit idle. If we can’t avoid distractions like this then were just asking for more petty bickering that puts people against each other and allows our politicians to keep running roughshod over us. What health care mess? You mean you aren’t concerned with what the Dems are trying to do? That’s surprising to me. Unless you want them to pass it so you can do more of your I-told-you-so’s after our economy collapses.
I sure hope not.
Jack
#153 Athiest Conservative – You agree that the birth certificate issue is a waste of time, so do you agree that people clinging to this issue is pointless and perhaps even counter-productive? If so, shouldn’t we try to convince those who keep harping on it to let it go? Apparently even you think that every voter should have been allowed to physically “examine” his certificate. Why? It’s been handled by members of the press, validated by the state of Hawaii, and video taped and photographed ad nauseum. I never even saw Clinton’s or Bush’s.
An no one should be looking for unanimous agreement on anyhting. But a lot of people on both sides are against this health care stuff, but issues like the birth certificate (among many others) keep us fighting with each other (and distracted) from the larger issues. Personally, I think that’s bad for the ocuntry so I say so. I’m sorry if you think that means I want a group hug, but that’s in your head, not mine.
Your stubborn insistence that no one will ever get along on anything (and your apparent intent to make sure things stay that way) is precisely the problem. I’m a D and you are an R so we have to disagree with everything the other one says, even if we agree. I’m on record dozens of times on PJM saying that I disagree with Obama on virtually everything he has done in office, but because I think this Birth Certificate thing is a (destructive) red herring (for example) I get crucified. Sounds like part of ‘no’ to me…Obama wants this health care stuff and he’s wrong. Jack doesn’t want this health care stuff and he’s wrong too.
I’ll leave it there because I hope I’ve mis-characterized you.
Jack
#155 Rachel Peepers – On the one hand you say I help put you to sleep, but on the other hand you say you “like me too much to…”. Sounds to me like you are enjoying being put to sleep, so you may be working too hard. I suggest a nice vacation to relax and un-wind. Then your rants will flow like a mighty river once again!
Jack
#153 AthiestConservative – (My first response to you seems to have been eaten, so if another one shows up, my apologies)
If, as you say, you “truly despise this mealy-mouthed, let’s-all-get-along nonsense” then perhaps you should follow your own advice and “if you hate the subject, drop it. Don’t reply to it.”
However, in my mind dumb issues like this Birth Certificate thing is the fuel that keeps Partisanship alive and well. It’s not as simple as saying we disagree on a certain issue but we agree on some others precisely because we have gotten to a point where Dems and Republicans are supposed to disagree on everything, even if we really don’t. It’s looking to be what is going to ruin this country. Personally I’d like to avoid that.
I’ve stated numerous times here that I disagree with virtually everything Obama has done in office and currently disagree with the Health Care plans, but because I’m a democrat I get crucified here.
You need to learn that agreeing with a Democrat on one thing doesn’t necessarily mean you are on an express-elevator to hell.
Jack
Rut Roweeeeeee! When I start putting Rachel Peepers to sleep I know I’ve effed up. lol
148. Delia: “Take the blinders off and understand this isn’t just about party politics…this is about our Country surviving some really shiteous policies.”
You’re right; this isn’t just about party politics … this is about a bunch of bitter angry white people who are flipping their **** over a liberal black man in the White House.
166. Mike W.
The ‘white’ man, didn’t you mean to say? He is HALF WHITE don’tchyknow, home-slice?
Mike W.,
Visit: http://theblacksphere.blogspot.com/
Try to grow the pea rolling around in your cranium.
Well, it’s morning and Rachel’s ready to rant. Let me begin with a question.
What can Obama’s trying to push though his health care scheme be likened to?
Let me take a stab at it.
Is it like in the old west when the government gave Indian tribes that they didn’t like blankets contaminated with smallpox?
Whatever the apt metaphor is, I believe his plans are intentionally harmful, nasty, full of evil intent and petty.
Obama thinks some wealthy Republicans need to be taught a lesson. They have to get healthcare like the rest of us. Wait months if necessary to see a doctor or the inside of an MRI.
Obama believes that if the whole country needs to have health care rationed to teach rich capitalists a lesson, then so be it. Of course, Congress will be covered under another system of instant care. So will Obama. So will government workers. Hollywood actors have their own medical plans. (they’re in a union)
But here’s perhaps a larger thought.
Have you noticed? Obama is trying to infect every American institution and ideal which has made this country uniquely American. (except, of course, the in the tank “free” American press with laissez faire and all that, he’s leaving that alone.
He’ll tell you who not to listen to: Rush Limbaugh. (first amendment infringement)
He’s planning the dawn invasion of the second amendment.
He’s upping the unborn slaughter (increasing its efficiency) by .3 million babies a year.
He’s trying to bring down our free enterprise system.
He’s spread earmarks far as American taxpayer can see.
He’ll slander our fighting troops by calling them cowards when it comes to race while he’s cutting their technology spending in half (giving the Russians and Chinese time to catch up to our missile defense technology). And he’s deciding to stop missile defense technology spending, while making military secrets so easy to steal even a demtard could do it.
But that’s not all. He’s gutting plans for the F-22 which military leaders say we vitally need to defend our country.
Obama’s planning a country-unifying event to coincide with his re-election.
Rewarding ACORN vote thieves (a la Al Franken) and various other supporters by making them zillionaires under the cover of the Stimulus Scheme.
He’s raising taxes on every American in the form of social security, capital gains taxes, forced health care payments, minimum building and maintaining standards of your home and property. Taking away the homeowner’s mortgage deduction from your income tax.
The list does on and on just as far the pick-pocket hand of the government can reach.
In the end, Obama government is ruining people’s lives and ruinous to America. He’s the marxist socialist that American history taught us ran socialist counties. But, like living a national nightmare, the most left liberal in the history of the senate, Barack Obama, running ours.
He hires tax cheats to run the IRS. Nominates a bigoted, racist, sexist, female socialista to the Supremes. He’s trying to undermine the very foundation of America.
Somewhere along the line this, as I re-read this. Somewhere along the line this rant became less a rant and more the truth.
Which leaves me sad, almost numb. Mourning for my country. Desperate for somebody out there to give it CPR. To shock it back to life.
Jack, Delia, thinking person, please somebody out there give me hope. For it seems the bell tolls, it tolls for thee, the United States of America. Obama is doing what the Soviets in the 60′s wanted to do, but couldn’t.
He’s killing our country.
Rachel Peepers. Thank you for doing what you do. Please don’t stop. It takes a strong constitution to keep on saying the truth, along with the details. It’s important.
There are always new readers and repetition of the truth is never wasted on “old readers”. Equips us to use it in conversation with family and friends.
#169 Rachel Peepers – Nice one! While I can’t attribute evil/hostile “hate the country” notions to Obama like you can, that doesn’t mean he’s approaching doing a good job (and perhaps me phrasing it that way was being too kind). However, a few points to your points:
Health Care – What they are doing is crazy, but some hope, the Blue Dogs are fighting back. My fear (expectation) is they’ll get some concessions that won’t go nearly far enough. This is one of those pesky areas where if we stopped bickering as a populace and spoke “NO” in a single loud clear voice it would be good.
Rush Limbaugh – Rush et al are fine entertainers, however they make their money off of keying off and focusing on the issues that divide us. Perfectly within their right and the capitalist in me says “more power to ya” but the American in me feels that we’d be better off without their divisiveness (and yes, it apples to their ilk on the left as well).
2nd Ammendment – I’ve shared my opinions numerous times on this topic, but I’ll wait for an actual bill before opining again. This is one of those oft-repeated concerns that don’t materialize anywhere near as often as the speculations.
Free Enterprise – Shouldn’t have bailed the auto or financial bums out. Since he did however, I’m curious to see what happens. You never know when a shock to the system might play out favorably in the long run. I still wouldn’t have done it.
Earmarks and Appointments – He’s looking for the blue ribbon in bad spending, but that award is still sitting on Bush II’s and the last Republican Congress’ mantle. Until we resolve our campaign financing and lobbying (and perhaps term limits) issues everyone will continue to put their friends in powerful positions. Unless we get a slew of “Heck of a job, Brownie”-like moments back to back, it just won’t get the attention it needs. Something that is a big flaw in our government.
Missile Defense – My guesstimate on this one is that he is stopping that (at least for now) as a play to get Russia and China more engaged with N.K. and Iran. Without support our options are very limited there. Unfortunately, I don’t think we are going to get their support, and Iran is going to get Nukes. N.K. is a toss-up…you can’t fix crazy.
F-22 system – The head of the Joint Chiefs, Secretary of Defense and numerous others (including McCain) supported trimming this growth just as Obama did. The point is, there are other more versatile/valuable systems they want to focus on. I’m not a military expert with a peephole to the R&D labs, but there seems to be wide-agreement from the military.
Taxes – I’d like everyone to write down their top 10 most important government expense items and then figure out which ones they want to cut. People (including politicians) need to wake up and get real. There is a ton of spending that needs to get cut out there and some of it is going to be from whatever is important to you. Until everyone gets that, we won’t solve this. I am willing to pay more in taxes (I’ll be fine) if it was worth it, but it won’t be until we focus on cutting spending for real.
Home mortgage deduction – Won’t get removed, won’t happen, it’s a scare tactic. I’m more concerned about getting taxed on my company provided health benefits…that one I’m a bit nervous about.
My bottom line in all of this, is the system is broken and it is incapable of fixing itself. The only way to fix it is for a) a catastrophic event like 9-11 times 10 or utter financial meltdown, or b) a groundswell of people who are willing to get sick enough of it to start voting together. If we stay divided on the nonsense or if we go to our graves on voting for nothing but social issues, we are going to get what we deserve. It’s all well and good to have a strong stance on social issues, but look what happened with the USSR fell…it was back to the stone ages and how many social issues were advanced for the next 20 years. That place is still a scary mess. That is where I feel we are headed if we can’t get serious about fiscal conservatism. And no, that doesn’t mean we start turning in our guns and having mandatory abortions, but we have to learn to separate issues and pull the nose up on this plane.
I just know I’m going to be crucified for this, but there you have it. We are collectively allowing ourselves to focus on things that won’t end this country when there are plenty of things out there that will, and we aren’t getting them resolved. In just a few decades we have gone from single-income homes to in most cases needing both adults to work and we are still going into debt (as families and as a country). Unless we start putting the kids back to work, it’s time for change.
*gets off his soapbox, but keeps it handy*
Jack
jack the whack…plenty of time to piss away….plenty of day to construct his say….and here…like dust…it all blows away.
“his glory is like a circle in the water, which never ceaseth to enlarge itself till by broad spreading it disperse to naught”
#172 surf66 – I can quote neat stuff too…
“What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Not exactly Shakespeare, but it always makes me laugh.
Jack
Rachel Boo, I’m plum tuckered and in pain and I don’t have my usual ‘fight’ in me.
I think Jack has some legit points as do you as do I as do many folks who post here.
One thing I do know…
Our ‘president’ is not really ‘hearing’ us. He’s great at squawking and tawlking and droning on and on via his teleprompter but, is he an actual listener? Does he hear ‘us’? I don’t sphinct so.
Jack,
Great post. The home mortgage deduction you’re spot on about. It’s just a scare tactic.
If I were more thoughtful, I’d have talked about the 1997 Bill Clinton home sale act where, basically, if your home sale is under a half mil, you get to pay no taxes on it. You get to pocket all the money. This one must be driving Barack crazy.
Jack, know what I’m talking about?
I do smell a rat there.
Delia’s too pooped to pop. I’ve been neglecting my studies. Why don’t you and thinking person carry the ball for awhile.
Everything the two of your say goes double for me. (even when you disagree)
I’ll be back. But I’m taking some time off.
All my best,
Rachel
Meryl,
Don’t worry. We’ll always be here with you. Reminding people what a great country we have and what an evil socialist group of fanatics is temporarily at the wheel.
Thinkingperson and Jack are now the glue that’ll hold this blog together.
Delia and I seem to need some time on the bench to recharge our batteries.
Be brave, my friend, morning in America will come once more when we can step outside and deeply inhale the first fresh breath of a new day.
I promise you that.
love, rachel
Sweet! Open season on Rachel/Delia smack-talking since they won’t be watching!!
Ok, let’s do this orderly-like people…A-G has next 30 minutes, then H-P the following 30, and finally Q-Z for 30 more. We will then follow with 5 minute lightning rounds where we will rotate through blatant namecalling, “yo mamma” jokes, questioning their parentage, accusations of the unprovable variety, “grab bag” (posters choice), and then ending with insults beginning with the letter ‘F’ or ‘Q’.
Attention Moderator: please let everything fly on through or it will be a lot less fun
In all seriousness, been good chatting with you both, as always.
Jack
I keep seeing that Obama is 10th out of 12. I’m curious–who were 11th and 12th?
Misanthropicus – I’m not going to presume you have slunk away in despair, but your lack of response to a challenge you gave is bothering me. You asked for proof in #130 and I responded in #137 and I didn’t hear back. Trust me, claiming victory from a non-response will be no win for me (and I won’t do it), but I’d like you to respond in some way. You seemed pretty sure of your challenge, so while I don’t expect an apology as you indicated, something would be nice (as a response, not as an apology even). You did say, albeit not to me,
“Mike W, will you do this? C’mon, be good sports, and tell us where to find that ad. Do it buddy, do it, your honor is on line”
You put Mike W’s honor on the line, so one might think that your honor is on the line too, no?
I personally don’t go out there with a “prove me wrong” stance unless I’m willing to check back. You could talk about the rest of your points that had nothing to do with the actual challenge in question. You could try to change the argument. You could do what I was afraid of in #137 and try to presume the papers and State of Hawaii were in on it back in the ’60s (i.e. claiming a forgery despite the input of at least one of the papers and lacking any proof of your own). We both have access to the State officials actual statements, so we could even get into parsing those (Fukino’s for example). I don’t know, you made a challenge and didn’t check back so it just leaves me cold.
But silence? That has never been your style. Since you may not be watching this thread anymore, I’ll wait a bit and try to find you elsewhere and redirect you to refresh your memory.
You may read this as me being combative, but I honestly think we could finish this dance if you respond (naively on my part perhaps). It would be worthwhile to do so.
Jack
I keep seeing that Obama is 10th out of 12. I’m curious–who were 11th and 12th?
Check at http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm
BTW: O has fallen behind W.
How about Carter and then Truman as number 11 and 12.
Goodness, I think that the OBot Stimulus program has spent millions/billions of tax $$s on ever evolving OBot posters….prime example is just JACK…jumps on a thread, with obvious purpose of misdirection & disruption, derides the stupidity and unresponsive ‘wingnuts’ saying he/she-it don’t have time for this and ends up reposting to every other post on the site.
#182 WestWright – Um, what? Never said ‘wingnut’, never said I don’t have time for this, and never reposted to any other post.
You want to re-evaluate your post now?
Jack
Half of Obama’s genes are white, and they are just as misguided as his other half. During the primary he was told by his trusted teleprompter to blabber about the humongeous deficit Bush built during the entire primary, and that is the only thing he seems to be doing better —— building a bigger deficit than Bush or any other president in history.