Obama’s Crusade Against Israel
Opposed to the right of Jews to build in Jerusalem, Obama’s administration can no longer be considered impartial, let alone friendly. He’s out to “liberate” the Holy Land.
Taking an extreme position — contrary to what Ambassador Michael Oren believes — is unprecedented. No American president has made Israeli settlements the issue; nor has there been such an ignorance of the threats Israel faces and a willingness to jeopardize Israel’s basic security interests. Linking action against Iran to preventing Jews from building in Judea and Samaria, areas Israel conquered in 1967, characterizes a policy of American aggressiveness against an ally rather than an enemy. The message is clear: Israel will pay the price for the establishment of another Palestinian state.
Obama’s negativity towards Israel, moreover, has encouraged other countries to join in what David Landau, former chief editor of Haaretz, advocated: the rape of Israel.
Obama’s next move will reveal his true agenda. If he demands significant concessions from the Palestinians and Arab states — for example, an end to all incitement and support for terrorist groups — his arm-twisting of Israel may seem less painful. Deeds, not rhetoric, are the test of sincerity. Lacking reciprocity, however, will only strengthen Israeli resolve. After nearly two decades of constant terrorism since the Oslo “peace” accords were signed, no Israeli government will return to that nightmare and chaos.
Israeli security forces have contained Palestinian terrorism, Hamas was defeated in Gaza, and Hezbollah — although still powerful — was beaten in Lebanon. The Israeli economy is in good shape, and the Palestinian economy is no less robust. Shopping malls in Ramallah and Jenin and vast housing projects throughout PA-controlled areas are more hopeful indicators.
A Palestinian civil war, however, is ongoing.
American-trained and -supplied PA (Fatah-affiliated) army units are still untested against more powerful and popular Hamas-linked groups in Judea and Samaria. General Keith Dayton, under whose command these new units operate, warned that they could spearhead a new wave of terrorism. Missing is a Palestinian leader who has popular support, can unite all factions, and can control the multitude of well-armed militia gangs.
Until then, what’s the point of another Arab Palestinian state?
Over 80% of what was the original Mandate of Palestine designated to be divided roughly 50/50 between ARAB Muslims (Holy Land Invaders) and the Jews (historical Holy Land occupants) by the League of Nation in 1921 (yes I know thats an inconvenient date for Holocaust guilt theorists) and later implemented by the UN in 1948. So why do the Western Governments led by the anti semitic Mohammedan BOGUS POTUS Barrack HUSSEIN Obama keep pushing Israel to give up more of the less than 20% it is now left with.
Now I know these are hard FACTS for the left wing moral equivalent ‘libtards’ to accept gGod knows the MSM is never going to tell you the truth after all Islamic propaganda has been telling them exactly the opposite for 40 years now. But ask yourselves this the ARABS only got to the Holy Land by CONQUEST but what the Iraelis are being asked to do is give up land they won by conquest. To support this completely illogical argument you would have to ague that ONLY ARAB Muslims have a ‘Right of Conquest’ and Jews dont. Now dont you think thats taking Multi Culti moral equivalence just a little bit to far.
Who are you preaching to? 80% of Jew’s in the US helped secure Obamas victory. 80% of Jew’s in the US still hates the republicans and everything they stand for.
Mubarak Husein Obama is from a Muslim / Christian background. It is not surprising that he would pick the Muslim side. Just look at how quickly he sided with the Black college professor against the White police officer. It has become obvious to most Americans that Obama is not free of bias, or a “post-racial” president.
That said, foreign policy is set by Congress. Under the constitution, only Congress has the ability to sign and abandon treaties. While Presidents come and go, the institutional memory of Congress is more stable. That body seems to have not changed its perception of what is in America’s best interest, and still views Israel as an ally. That opinion seems entrenched, especially in the military and industrial sectors, and is not likely to change. So Obama’s ability to “rape Israel” is much less than some seem to fear / hope.
israel’s future won’t be decided by a thug loving west hating racist aberrant administration. ours, however, will be.
I believe the damage is done and the US Israeli relationship will continue to slide. Only today Swedish diplomats (Sweden is current EU PresidenT)when challenged by Israels foreign mininistry on being too pro Palestinian and anti Israel in their pronouncements, pointed to the USA and said they were only following the official line of the UNITED STATES Government.
It is futile for Israel to attempt to please and mollify the Americans. Israel should look quickly to new strategic partnerships with India, China and Asia, the sun is setting on Europe and the United States and there is nothing left there for Jews but fear of the future.
Obama is espousing the ideology of the post christian and secularised west. Jews have no place in Obamas world other than as universal scapegoats. The Jew is seen by Obama and his allies as the torch bearer of capitalism and colonialism, in short the enemy that must be destroyed.
Many are oh so surprised that Obama is turning the screws into the heart of Israel-Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria.
Not me. After all, a candidate who was groomed by a Saudi Prince (by paying ! for Obama’s law school and who knows what else)and whose good friend is the out and out Jew hater Rashid Khalidi, (and on and on)surely is part and parcel of the Arab plan-squeezing the life out of Israel.
The ONLY question remains-will Bibi accede to this strangulation, or will he fight to the finish?
“contrary to what Ambassador Michael Oren believes”
Is Michael Oren speaking as a diplomat officially representing Israel? If not, he is living in a dream world. Oren is an Ivy League elite who mostly likely feels more comfortable aligning himself with the Democratic Party. He may also be a guilt tripped white person unwilling to criticize an Afro-American president. Existentially, Oren is experiencing a dark night of the soul. He is hoping that he can persuade the Obama administration behind the scenes. It ain’t gonna happen!
So what JL is your oh so apparent anti semitism getting in the way of your cross burning and Swastika waving. Israel has already got the short end of the straw and people like you think just because AMERICAN Jews were stupid enough to vote for the Obamanation Israel should suffer. In my opinion its AMERICAN PC, MC, moral equivalent left wing ‘libtard’ society which made the Jews there so stupid not vice versa.By the way would love to hear your opinion on the 96% of Blacks who voted for Obambi now that is RACISM.
Can we say…’taqiyyah’?
“It is futile for Israel to attempt to please and mollify the Americans.”
Things are nowhere near that bad. However, a price tag has to be paid. The majority of Jewish-Americans must face reality and realize that the Democratic Party is their enemy. They must, whether they like it or not, align themselves with the center-right. Existentially speaking, for many of them this is comparable to a die hard New York Yankee fan becoming a rabid Boston Red Sox supporter.
The reason that most Jews in America support Obama is simply that most Jews in America don’t support Jews and Judaism. In the pursuit of assimilation, Jews in America rebelled against Judaism. Therefore they don’t care about Israel. Non-religious Jews in America have invented a new religion- secularism.
The religious Jews in America are also to blame- for not living in Israel. Being a Jew is not just a religious identity, but also a national one.
Yehoshua Dalin
Yerushalayim (Jerusalem), Israel
Nor am I too encouraged by the increasing Palestinian prosperity in Judea and Samaria. Following nineteen years of not benign neglect by Jordan, every social and economic indicator rose in those areas and Gaza following 1967, in most cases markedly. Life was clearly improving substantially for the Palestinians.
And they threw it away in the intifada. There is ample evidence that the Palestinians are willing to sacrifice social well-being to destroy Israel.
“Israel’s true friends understand this.”
With Obama in the White House, I fear, Israel no longer has any true friends.
#1: “…Barrack HUSSEIN Obama….”
Omigod! Is Obama’s middle name really Hussein? Thank you, thank you for divulging this secret. If the voters had only known….
#6: “…a candidate who was groomed by a Saudi Prince (by paying ! for Obama’s law school and who knows what else)….”
That’s nothing. Michelle Obama was groomed by the Soviet Politburo and her law school was paid for by Fidel Castro. Pass it on!
#7: “Oren is an Ivy League elite….”
Yeah, just like most former Israeli paratroopers.
Obama is setting the stage for another war against Israel. This time Israel won’t be obliged to pull their punches to keep Washington happy. There will be no need to agree to a cease fire until all the Arab combatants are dead or captured. Nothing less than a devastating defeat will persuade Palestinians they will never destroy Israel. When the Al Aksa mosque is dismantled and its pretty mosaics are shipped to Jordan, the Arabs might get the idea that Israel owns all of Israel and Israel owns all of Jerusalem. Let the Arabs go back to Arabia.
Read David Solway’s: “Are Western Leaders Stupid or Malicious in Letting Iran Go Nuclear?” He explains whats at work here.
Right again. So let me get this right: The consensus among republicans on this site is that the president of the United States is a racist, anti-semite and due to his muslim faith hates Israel? And Rahm Emmanuel agrees with him? And that 70% of US jews are “selfhating”? Good to know in the coming election.
I fear all out war is almost inescapable in the ME. Hands will be forced at that point. Hezbollah will play a big role.
Let’s see. Obama . . .
is an anti-Semite
is a racist
wants to kill babies
wants to kill old people
is a secret Muslim
is NOT an American
was born in Kenya or Indonesia
wants to destroy our banking system
wants to destroy our auto industry
wants to destroy our children’s education
wants to destroy Christianity
didn’t take the oath of office
he’s using stem cell research and Planned Paretnhood to create a master race
he wants to release dangerous Gitmo terrorists into the United States
he wants to resettle Palestinians into the Midwest
he’s opening FEMA prison camps
he’s the anti Christ
he likes spicy mustard
i could go on, but this is exhausting. Now, do you see why America doesn’t take conservatives seriously anymore? This is the ultimate flaw in your Fox News strategy. They and you mistakenly believe that just because these idiocies get airtime that it will change the flow of American truth. And while the media used to have such power, it no longer enjoys that simple formula. Want proof? Easy. The last election. Fox News was confident that Sarah Palin and Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright would bring Obama down if Hannity and Rush just kept talking about it. Well, they did keep talking about it, and it didn’t matter. And it doesn’t matter, because the world is onto Fox and its feckless minions.
So keep it up, please. The angrier you get the crazier you appear. Hopefully angry and crazy will create the crowning moment of permanent supremacy for the Democratic Party – I speak of course about Sarah Palin at the top of the Republican ticket. (Psssst, keep this on the down low, but Sarah is actually the antiChrist. Think about it.)
I’m sorry. I seem to have come to this discussion late.
Why does Israel and the Jewish People have the right to exist? and…Why do so many yearn to wipe the memory of Israel and the Jewish People from the face of the earth?
Such a strange desire living a life, yearning for the death of history and existence of another.
Perhaps President Obama has problems with issues that require more then a ‘present’ vote.
Now and then: I like spicey mustard and I float, therefore I am a witch.
Ha.
Lets see NOW and Then
s an anti-Semite YEP ATTACKS ON ISRAEL MOHAMMEDAN ARSE LICKING
is a racist YEP GATESGATE NO MORE NEEDS SAYING
wants to kill babies WELL EXTREME ABORTION IS PART OF OBAMACARE
wants to kill old people YEP GIVE THEM PAINKILLERS NOT SURGERY OBAMBI ON YOUTUBE
is a secret Muslim NO NOT SECRET AT ALL HE SCHOOLED AS A MUSLIM IN INDONESIA
is NOT an American WHO KNOWS NO BIRTH CERTIFICAT
was born in Kenya or Indonesia DITTO
wants to destroy our banking system DONE
wants to destroy our auto industry DITTO
wants to destroy our children’s education ALREADY DONE BY THE DEMS
wants to destroy Christianity HE IS A MOHAMMEDAN ITS WHAT THEY DO
didn’t take the oath of office YEP COMPLETE COCK UP HAD TO TRY AGAIN IN PRIVATE
he’s using stem cell research and Planned Paretnhood to create a master race HE HAS OPENED PANDORA’s BOX
he wants to release dangerous Gitmo terrorists into the United States YEP COMING TO YOU SOON
he wants to resettle Palestinians into the Midwest DONE DEAL
he’s opening FEMA prison camps WHO KNOWS
he’s the anti Christ WELL FOR SURE HE IS NOT THE MESSIAH LIKE YOU THINK
he likes spicy mustard IF OBAMBI THOUGHT IT WOULD CONVINCE YOU YES HE WOULD
Lots of white trash “OBONGO IS A MOOSLIMB”-type shit in this thread. Real mature, guys.
@8. Pragmatist:
You saud:“In my opinion its AMERICAN PC, MC, moral equivalent left wing ‘libtard’ society which made the Jews there so stupid not vice versa.
You are seriously mistaken: you have conveniently forgotten their role in the Bolshevik revolution in Eastern Europe and Russia. The whole PC crap, MC and the general spawning of Marxism Leninism is attributable to the Frankfurt School’s Cultural Marxists like Marcuse, Adorno,- all immigrants from Germany and all of Jewish descent. These peoples became university profs in the States and poisoned untold generations of young, impressionable minds. Take a look at the influence of Chomsky, Zinn and many more just to know where the deathly wind is blowing from.
Behold the most vituperative leaders of the turbulent 60-ties …
Why don’t you read this pivotal work on the subject?
“The Origins of Political Correctness
An Accuracy in Academia Address by Bill Lind
http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html
Now and then I ponder why the lefties would like a permanent one party supremacy. It must be their desire to silence all voices of debate or discussion about issues that are important to citizens of the United States. Things like should we back a group of people in the world who wish to destroy another group of people?
Should we bow to one and require another to suppress themselves until they occupy a spit of land barely visible on the map? Hmm…Now and then I am beginning to think that the far lefties appear more and more like the people they accuse of being the far, far righties, tyrants and despots.
Love the way these ‘libtards’ like Now and Then think they are being so clever but instead expose themselves for the misinformed fools that they are.
Thomas you really are a NAZI you have just parroted Goebels ‘The Jews created Communist’ BS
25. Lynn:
I find it curious that conservatives and Republicans become so reasonable about checks and balances and bi-partisanship when they are in the minority. How about this: “We demand an up or down vote” or “Fillibsuters are unconstitutional.” . . . both heard during Bush’s SCOTUS nominations. Think we’ll hear that from Repubs with Obama’s noms? Nope.
Do both parties do it? Yep. Do I prefer that my hypocrites are the ones with the power? Yep. Do I expect clowns here to say, “See, he admits Democrats are hypocrites!” Yep. Are they hypocrites too? Yep. They’re just not honest enough to speak the truth.
Any questions?
Hi AJB lots of ‘libtards’ with their heads in the sand and ars*s in the air trying to pretend Obambi never went to school in Indonesia as a Muslim and took Koranic Studies and ‘mengagi’ both of which subjects NON Muslims were not allowed to study on this thread too.
26. Pragmatist:
“Love the way these ‘libtards’ like Now and Then think they are being so clever but instead expose themselves for the misinformed fools that they are.”
Wow! Compelling argument. Persuasive. Undeniable. Tell me, your incredible sense of dialectic, where did you develop it? I’m guessing down at the Piggly Wiggly.
So Now and Then we presume you support the SELF DECLARED RACIST Sotomayor for SCOTUS then
Now and Then I just answered ALL of you stupid accusations where are your counter arguments?????
#28 Now and Then so you support the SELF DEC:LARED RACIST Sotomayor for SCOTUS then I presume.
“You are seriously mistaken: you have conveniently forgotten their role in the Bolshevik revolution in Eastern Europe and Russia.”
You are exaggerating the role of the Jews. Moreover, the Communist Party basically ordered them to renounce their Jewishness. They had to become self hating Jews. Still, Stalin hated their guts and was planning to murder countless numbers of them at the time of his death.
Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda, and Bill Ayers are not Jews. Many of the 1960s radicals were Anglo-Saxons—and even Afro-American.
@19. Now and Then:
I wish your prophecy be true.
In 1917. when your Bolshevik comrades took over Russia it was not a smooth sailing because patriots like Adm. Kolchak resisted the Reds – as many Americans do today.
In the end your side, the Reds won and succeed to destroy Russia during their 70 years of leftist terror.
And now the good part.
The hatred what nowadays people feel towards your kind of leftists runs so deep that your Marxist thugs will never ever gain foothold where once you ruled.
Americans are still innocent and naive, they need a large dose of Marxist serum injected into their body to be immune to the Bolshevik horror for good.
No, Obama is not a Muslim. But he imbibed with his mother’s milk the worldview shared by radical Muslims and the radical Left, according to which Israel are the Bad Guys. Reread his Cairo speech (if you can stomach it) and note the reiteration of the Narrative: Israel was founded on Holocaust guilt, that the Holocaust and the (self-inflicted) ‘Nakba” are morally equivalent, yadda yadda yadda. We’ve heard it all before. After all, this is the man whose chief Middle East advisor is Samantha Power, who tried to hire Chas Freeman. Is it any surprise that his entire approach to the I/P conflict consists of leaning on Israel and expecting nothing of the Pallys? And is it any surprise that this practiced Chicago School prevaricator would jettison prior agtreements and then pretend they never existed?
Obama doesn’t “hate Jews.” But he views the situation through the distortive lens of his leftist unreality bubble in which the Pallys are poor, oppressed victims of white colonialism who deserve our empathy.
@27. Pragmatist:
Care to contradict my post with unassailable facts? What is untrue in my narrative? What Goebbels and the Nazis got to do with the spread of American Marxism? For you everybody is a NAZI and for the “Jockers” everybody is a RACIST, am I right?
Unless you can factually disprove my assertions you appear to be an uneducated dolt, ignorant of world history, spewing hot steam into the void like NAZI, Göbbels – in connection with the Jewish votes for the Jocker. What a stretch!
You are completely wrong Bohamond Obambi was brought up as a Muslim in his formative years in Indonesia his school registration document as a MUSLIM is on the web and as a person who travels to Jakarta frequently and has an Indonesian wife and family I know what his ex classmates and friends say about him there. Devout Mosque going Mohammedan who not only took Koranic Studies but also the non compulsory ‘mengagi’ (study of correctly accented Koranic Arabic) neither of these two subjects were open to NON Muslims. Read his own book he tells the story of how the teacher punished him for pulling faces in KORANIC STUDIES out of his own mouth he condems himself.
32. Pragmatist:
Now and Then I just answered ALL of you stupid accusations where are your counter arguments?????
Those aren’t answers, they’re accusations and opinions not worthy..
Bohamond sorry to burst your Holocaust Guilt BS too the division of the Mandate of Palestine in to two states one ARAB Invader and one Jewish historical resident was made by the League of Nations in 1921 I know that it is an inconvenient date for your Mohammedan Holocaust Taqqiya but its TRUE.
Thomas nope dont see anything in your post that contradicts my historically accurate fact that Goebels tried to blame Communism on the Jews try again SOCIALIST.
Now and Then sorry hot air does not constitute rebuttal.
Forgotten about Sotomayor too Now and Then why dont you rebut that too?
@34. David Thomson:
This subject has been well dissected by historians and people of erudite, learned background. Plenty of literary works available for those who are interested in contemporary history from both domestic and international sources; – you can add very little of new value to what is considered as well established facts.
The argument as to who was the bigger villain Hanoi Jane or Mark Rudd, Bill Ayers or wife Bernardine Rae Dohrn (née Ohrnstein) will not change the gist of the matter.
Wow just reread what you posted about the JEWS Thomas you anti semite and then you try and pretend you are not a NAZI LOL. Neutral sensible readers will know EXACTLY what you are, Jew hater
@41. Anonymous:
You said:
Thomas nope dont see anything in your post that contradicts my historically accurate fact that Goebels tried to blame Communism on the Jews try again SOCIALIST.
And it proves what? That there were no prominent Jewish leaders in the Communist movements? Come on!
Goebbels rose to power in 1933 (more at WIKI) but Rosa Luxemburg/Ernst Thälmann Sparacist Communists in Weimar Germany, Bela Kun in Hungary, Trocky in Russia preceded the rise of Fascism.
What are you trying to prove?
Yeah, the old jew-hating rhetoric of Thomas is disgusting.
The problem that Israel faces lies in its extreme-right government, more than with Obama. Due to energypolicy, the US must keep its alliance with Saudi Arabia, and when Israeli ministers go out and call arabs “dirt” and work for clear violations of international law, then pressure will be applied to make Israel stop doing so. Just read Jerusalem Post and the commenters there beneath the articles to see the level of anti-arab racism in the country. It is true that this administration has finally started putting some pressure on Israel again. Its equally clear that Israel has just asked its only serious ally to fck off. It seems unclear to me that Nethanyahus open pissing on the American flag should merit him favourable treatment.
IT MUST NOT BE A CRIME TO BE A JEW!
US/EU/UN ruthless ideology that demands the vicious religious cleansing of Jewish innocents for not being Muslim MUST stop! The 1976 International Convention for Civil and Political Rights, prohibits all forms of discrimination against people on the basis of religion and nationality.
U.S. Pharaoh Relentless Vicious ATTACK On JEWS:
Hitler murdered six million Jews. U.S. Pharaoh doesn’t want Jews having any more babies on Jewish land – or anywhere else?
It breaks U.S. law to discriminate based on race or religion. Has this law been eliminated or does this law apply to everyone except Jews? IT MUST NOT BE A CRIME TO BE A JEW!
What’s next? Jews FORCED to WEAR a Yellow Star of David on Their Clothing as HITLER DECREED?
U.S. Pharaoh/UK/EU are aggressive in their goal of FORCING Jews into the tiny, shrunken INDEFENSIBLE Ghetto of Israel – minus the Biblical, militarily strategic high ground of Israel – Judea and Samaria, vital to Israel’s defense.
Only 60 years after the Holocaust and the West again wickedly betrays Jews in seeking to make Israel vulnerable to a Second Holocaust by the huge, hostile Arab Muslim world.
U.S Seeks DESTRUCTION & Bloody Islamic CONQUEST of Israel
ISRAELNATIONALNEWS.COM
“Our goal has never been peace,” says a Fatah official in a PA TV panel. “Peace is a means; the goal is Palestine” – meaning the conquest of Israel.
Kifah Radaydeh, the deputy head of the Jerusalem chapter of Fatah, says openly that the PA will resume violence and terror against Israel when Fatah is “capable,” and “according to what seems right.”
Fatah MP Najat Abu Bakr said in a PA TV interview last year that Fatah’s goal remains the destruction of Israel.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132371
In the WAR Against Jews, the U.S. constantly arms and gives advanced training to Palestinian Authority security forces. They are America’s proxy terrorist army against our most LOYAL ALLY, the peaceful, freedom-loving Jewish people.
WORLDNETDAILY.COM
U.S.-trained forces in ‘greatest’ terrorist attacks
Jihadist boasts 1 week after transfer of American assault rifles
July 09, 2009
By Aaron Klein
The statement comes one week after Israel approved the transfer of 1,000 U.S. and European assault rifles to those same security forces. PA militias regularly receive American arms, funding and advanced training.
Terrorists double as police officers
Since the late 1990s, the U.S. has run training bases for PA militias. The U.S. also has provided hundreds of millions of dollars in financial aid and weapons to build up the PA militias.
Many members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terrorist organization serve openly in the various PA militias, including in top positions. The Brigades, the declared military wing of Abbas’ Fatah organization, is responsible for scores of suicide bombings, shootings and rocket attacks aimed at Jewish civilian population centers. Most Brigades members received U.S. or European training as part of the PA security forces.
Terrorist: ‘U.S. training helped us kill Jews’
“I do not think that the operations of the Palestinian resistance would have been so successful and would have killed more than 1,000 Israelis since 2000 and defeated the Israelis in Gaza without these [American] trainings,” said Yousuf.
“All the methods and techniques that we studied in these trainings, we applied them against the Israelis,” he said.
“We sniped at Israeli settlers and soldiers. We broke into settlements and Israeli army bases and posts. We collected information on the movements of soldiers and settlers. We collected information about the best timing to infiltrate our bombers inside Israel. We used weapons and we produced explosives, and of course the trainings we received from the Americans and the Europeans were a great help to the resistance.”
“I myself received American trainings in Jericho. Together with my Preventative comrades, I received trainings in intelligence methods and military trainings,” he said. “In the intelligence part, we learned collection of information regarding suspected persons, how to follow suspected guys, how to infiltrate organizations and penetrate cells of groups that we were working on and how to prevent attacks and to steal in places.
“On the military level, we received trainings on the use of weapons, all kind of weapons and explosives,” Yousuf said. “We received sniping trainings, work of special units especially as part of what they call the fight against terror. We learned how to put siege, how to break into places where our enemies closed themselves in, how to oppress protest movements, demonstrations and other activities of opposition.
“We also learned to discover agents that Israel tried to plant in our cells,” he said.
“We applied against Israel all that we learned from the Americans.”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103410
Because the U.S. government employs jihadists against LOYAL ALLY, Israel, the U.S. will not hesitate to unleash their American trained Muslim terrorist army against Americans or any other people.
The Free World is under attack. But the massive assaults on our freedom and security, are not just from Islamo Fascists.
THOMAS you have prove yourself to be a JEW HATER everyone on here can see it so just a bit of advice NAZI when you are in a hole STOP DIGGING.
Christians were NAZIS Christians were FASCISTS Christians were COMMUNISTS Christians were CRUSADERS Christians were WITCH HUNTERS come on THOMAS lets see you list them you ANTI SEMITIC NAZI
I am not surprised. C.S. Lewis in various books, like “Mere Christianity” and “The Abolition of Man” communicates what BHO and fellow travellers cannot abide: there is a centrality to the universe, and it isn’t them.
Therefore, throw as mud as you can to discredit anything that counters the conclusions of BHO and crowd – this is the modus operandi of BHO and crowd.
Excuse me for interrupting the rants of Thomas, but the question ought to be: “what value does Israel have to the US?”
Just focusing on that question, and aside from all the religious rants:
From a hard evidence side: We prop them up. We give them billions in aid. They are not economically self sustaining. We put up with their spies (e.g., Jonatahn Pollard). Our support for Israel garners for us endless hostility in the middle east. They have no oil. And this is for what? Landing rights in the middle east? I believe we have those in other countries. Support? Are there jewish soldiers in Afghanistan? I mean seriously, from a “benefit to the US” stand point, what is the value? Even the democrats don’t seem bent on supporting it. If Israel gets into a war, we might get pulled in too. So the US is propping up a state started by the British in the early 1900′s for which no one else will take responsibility. Why?
Its bad enough we’re tied in to supporting South Korea which does nothign for us I can see. Why does everyone on this site assume we have to move heaven and earth to do whatever is good for Israel and not for the US?
Perhaps you will enlighten us on what you think about Islam and Sha’riah Greenberry then we will know where you are coming from with your Taqqiya
Not a fan of either. Nor am I a fan of South Korea and its drain on our treasury. What does either Islam or Shariah have to do with a basic assessment of Israel’s value, if any, to the US? I mean you can answer a question with an answer can’t you?
I Greenberry wants an explanation why the people of Israel have value, he must first explain why he has value and why his value should be used as a gauge to decide whether Israel has value.
In other words for Greenberry to judge whether the existence of Israel and the people who live there are valuable, he would first have to explain why the United States and the people living in it are valuable.
#54 Greenberry
THE MULTIPLE BLESSINGS JEWS HAVE BROUGHT TO THE WORLD
Jews have always OBEYED G-D in that they have never committed the crime and great sin against G-D of forced religious conversion. NEVER!
For centuries, millions of innocents have suffered horrific abuse and murder through forced religious conversion, massively breaking G-D’s laws:
“YOU SHALL NOT MURDER”
Jews have NEVER attempted to take land that does not belong to them; always keeping to the Biblical borders G-D gave them!
Jews have brought multiple blessings to the world!
Knowledge of the One true and merciful G-D
The Bible
G-D’s laws that protect!
Civilization
And amazing discoveries, and inventions in medicine, science, agriculture, computer technology, etc. etc. way out of proportion to the Jews’ tiny numbers upon this earth!
A fulfillment of G-D’s Biblical promise that through the Jews all the nations of the earth would be blessed!
#54 Greenberry
POLLARD’S “SIN”: HE PERMITTED ISRAEL TO ACT IN ITS DEFENSE
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24659
September 26, 2001
Terror in the U.S. and the Jonathan Pollard case
By Larry Dub
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
“… thanks to Jonathan Pollard, Israel was ready with gas masks and sealed rooms when Iraq attacked her during the Gulf War…
The usual sentence for spying for an ally is 2-4 years…
Indeed, the Government’s own Victim Impact Statement (VIS), which was submitted to the court prior to sentencing indicated that Pollard’s greatest “sin” was that by giving Israel vital security information which permitted the Jewish state to act in its own defense, he had made Israel “too strong” and thus angered America’s “moderate” Arab allies…”
#54 Greenberry
THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT RESOLUTION ON JONATHAN POLLARD 1993
The European Parliament Resolution on Jonathan Pollard
September 16, 1993
The European Parliament,
1. noting that Jonathan Pollard, then of the US Navy, was convicted in 1985 of passing classified information to Israel concerning the military activities of Iraq, Syria and other Middle Eastern nations,
2. noting also that the information dealt with the chemical, biological and nuclear arms build- up in these countries and that Pollard considered he had a moral duty to warn Israel of the developing massive threat to its security and to the lives of its people,
3. whereas Pollard has expressed remorse for his action,
4. whereas Pollard, who was not accused of treason, or of intending to harm the US, pleaded guilty under a plea bargain, and was thus convicted and sentenced, without a full trial, to life imprisonment, despite the Government’s promise not to seek such a penalty,
5. noting that the sentence imposed on Pollard was grossly disproportionate to those imposed on others by US courts for supplying information to a friendly power (normally from two to four years),
6. shocked that most of Pollard’s eight years in prison should have been spent in solitary confinement and underground,
7. astonished that Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, described by one of his Under-Secretaries for Defense as having had ‘an almost visceral dislike of Israel’, should have sent a message to the trial judge, one hour before the sentencing hearing, asking for the stiffest possible sentence commensurate with Pollard’s ‘treasonous’ (sic) behavior,
8. noting however that Mr. Weinberger stated recently that he thought it was time that Mr. Pollard should be released; aware that Christian and Jewish organizations throughout the world have pleaded for the harsh sentence of life imprisonment to be commuted and that Judge Steve Williams wrote, in a dissenting opinion to an appellate court finding, that ‘the government’s conduct in this case resulted in a ‘complete miscarriage of justice’,
1. Urges the US Administration to commute Pollard’s sentence to one of time served and to release him immediately;
2. Calls on EPC to intercede with the US government with this end in view;
3. Instructs its President to forward this resolution to the Council, the Commission, EPC and the Government of the United States.
Voted almost unanimously on 16th September 1993.
See Also:
* Euro-Parliament Adopts British MEP’s Motion Urging Pollard Release
* U.S. City and State Resolutions
* The Calls for Pollard’s Release Page
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/1993/091693.htm
FREE JONATHAN POLLARD!
Linda Rivera, I also like the idea they presented to us that humans did not have to offer their children as sacrifice to appease the gods, and did not have to go to war to capture more humans to be sacrificed to appease the gods, and did not have to join in ceremonies that offered human sacrifice to appease the gods.
We learned that we could prosper without appeasing evil.
That’s one’s a biggie for me.
Pragmatist:
You didn’t read me carefully; I’m on your side.
I was pointing out that the “Holocaust Guilt” myth is utterly bogus, and Obama showed his true colors by repeating it. The Land of Israel belongs to the Jews. Full stop.
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Greenberry:
“We prop them up. We give them billions in aid. They are not economically self sustaining.”
Poppycock. Israel has a GDP of $200B p.a. From the CIA Factbook: “Israel has a technologically advanced market economy with substantial, though diminishing, government participation. It depends on imports of crude oil, grains, raw materials, and military equipment. Despite limited natural resources, Israel has intensively developed its agricultural and industrial sectors over the past 20 years. Israel imports substantial quantities of grain but is largely self-sufficient in other agricultural products. Cut diamonds, high-technology equipment, and agricultural products (fruits and vegetables) are the leading exports.” US aid to Israel is primarily in the form of loans, not grants, and amounts to $3B p.a., 1.5% of GDP.
Let me get this straight, everyone is signed on to a two state solution. While I don’t think Israel should give back East Jerusalem, but at some point the West Bank has to become some sort of a country. And no one, not even the most moderate non Islamic Arab is going to tolerate a network of Israeli exclusive settlements with their own network of roads in an independent Palestinian state. I wish some of you mindless hawks and paranoid “rile the Jews with phony antisemitism” will admit that you want more war and no peace. What is your final solution, evict all Palestinians?
BTW< Even Bush 1 took the same stand and the same fools said the same crap about him.
Greenberry: There are several parameters that supports the wests continual backing of some sort of Israel, but the main one is that we started it so we have responsivility for it. Israel is our baby, and she is getting pretty crazy.. Im not sure the version of the Israeli state we see today is functioning very well, after all the privatization in the 90s. Again, if you read the Jpost every day as I do, you will find a public level of rhetoric most often found in channels like this in our countries. It becomes very hard to argue rationaly with people who are screaming, and thats what the pro-israel hard right is doing right now. Its ugly, and it does not further the cause of Israel.
Also, their military culture has become horrible, there were books circulated that described the pope as a supporter of holocaust, the t-shirt scandal, etc. They could use a litlle tough Ths I say with deep respect for each individual of Israel: Their state-structure is showing signs of PTSD. Ive written with IDF veterans over the milblogs, and they confirm much of this, corruption in the political system is almost endemic. This has nothing to do with race, but with a nation in a situation of stress over a long time getting irrational. Now call me a freaking anti-semite.
Non-Islamic Arabs? Oh, you must mean the dhimmis.
And the two state solution Israel and Jordon didn’t fly with the Islamists just as the three state solution won’t fly with the Islamists and the four, five, six, whatever state solution will not fly with the Islamists. That is unless it drives the Jewish People into the sea.
Yea, that’s the plan.
Lynn and Linda: 57, 58, etc
Try to read it again: the question is why does Israel have value to the US?
Lynn: The US isn’t asking for aid from Israel: Israel is the one asking for help from us. I don’t need to vlaue the US; I live here and my question is why do the US taxpayers have to underwrite the defense of Israel? I’d ask the same question about taiwan, for example, but that’s off topic.
Linda: jonathan pollard was a traitor and a spy, although I grant that my view is only that of a US citizen and not that of someone that thinks people are free to betray US secrets for reasons they think best (the A bomb spies thought they were doing the world a favor too, by betraying the US. We in the US don’t see it that way).
And while I am so impressed that some “Euro-parliment” (what is that?) passed a non-binding resolution in Pollard’s favor, I’d be more impressed if they stuck up for Israel in wars–but of course, they leave that to the US, don’t they?
Once again, your response favoring Pollard who stole US secrets tends to show you favor Israel over the US and I am still waiting for the reason the US is supposed to feel the same way? I never said they weren’t nice people, smart, etc (so are the people in Taiwan, I suppose, but I am not keen on propping them up either). And that is separate from the question I asked: what benefit accrues to the US from its relationship with Israel? I’m asking you. Got one? (Hint: try to think like this: “If I were an American I would say that Israel is avluable to the US because:___________”).
I myself can think of several reasons: I am dying to see if you can think of one.
Biblical Prophecy unfolds before out eyes!
God States:
“For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land. They have cast lots for My people, Have given a boy [as payment] for a harlot, And sold a girl for wine, that they may drink. (Joel 3:1-3)
“Indeed, what have you to do with Me, O Tyre and Sidon, and all the coasts of Philistia [Gaza]? Will you retaliate against Me? But if you retaliate against Me, Swiftly and speedily I will return your retaliation upon your own head; Because you have taken My silver and My gold, And have carried into your temples My prized possessions. Also the people of Judah and the people of Jerusalem You have sold to the Greeks, That you may remove them far from their borders. “Behold, I will raise them Out of the place to which you have sold them, And will return your retaliation upon your own head. I will sell your sons and your daughters Into the hand of the people of Judah, And they will sell them to the Sabeans, To a people far off; For the LORD has spoken.” (Joel 3:4-8)
Bohemond:
Israel receives about 1/3 of the foreign aid budget, usually in a lump sum (everyone else gets installments) that begin to gather interest in US banks immediately. They get indirect aid from the military. Loans enable them to purachase US hardware. The figure is in the billions for a small population with no oil. To say they could last 6 onths w/o US aid is silly.
Here’s some news you won’t find on PJM: the CEO of Blackwater is now being investigated for multiple murder, including the premeditated murder of whistleblowers who intended to talk about Iraqi civilians killed for “sport” by Blackwater mercenaries.
Any comments?
“Non-Islamic Arabs? Oh, you must mean the dhimmis.”
Hate to tell you, Lynn, but the US is as of today allied to most muslim countries in the world. US soldiers fight and die side by side with Afghan soldiers. Youre doing the idiotic anti-muslim dance wich in my opinion is exactly the same as the anti-semite dance. Just saying.
“Obama’s unilateral demands of Israel are unprecedented actions by an American president.”
In other words, we FINALLY have a president with some balls and willing to stand up to AIPAC and their terrorist organization.
I frankly find myself siding with Greenberry in most of the things he says – but not for reasons that he will like.
Actually, to answer him, and to answer all the American Jewish geese who think we in Israel are dependent on you, the blunt fact of the matter is that American “aid” to Israel is nothing more than imperial control forcing the IDF to depend on the US for its guns, uniforms, tanks, airplanes, etc. However, most of American “aid” is not aid at all – it’s a credit chit to spend at American firms to get American goods.
The truth of the matter is we do not need this. In addition, we Israelis do not need the US Defense Department to queer every deal our arms companies make overseas. We do not need Americans telling us we have a “right to defend ourselves” – we do not rely on you for legitimacy. We do not need your approval for anything. We can handle ourselves quite well, thank you, and give you all the middle finger you all deserve when necessary.
With respect to Pollard, he deserves to be released. He served more time than he deserved to and the government welshed on its own plea-bargain. And if he were not a Jew, he would be released. But Jew-hatred infests the FBI. the CIA, the State Department, and a whole slew of offices in the Defense Department.
So, what is Obama’s role in all of this?
His role is a positive one. He is the best thing we in Israel have seen since sliced bread. He has ripped the mask of “friendship” off the “special relationship” between Israel and America and revealed it for the imperialist bullying it has really been for the last 43 years. At least we now know clearly who the enemy is – the enemy, the real enemy, is the government of the United States of America, whioch holds the Arabs’ coats for them and continually kisses their derrieres.
Ruvy:
You are direct at least!
Tell me again how it is that free credit to buy stuff we make is not aid. Are lots of countries giving you such credit at the expense of their taxpayers? If you didn’t have the credit, you’d have to spend hard cash, no?
And I assume you agree there is somehing sensible about saying “if you take our loan you have to buy our stuff.” I mean really, we’re not in the business of paying for other countries to buy stuff from someone else.
Let’s agree to disagree about Pollard: His incarceration send a good lesson to others inclined to expect lenient treatment if they’re working for an ally.
The last few lines threw me: we’re the bullies? Since 1948 the US has stood behind and in front of Israel, paid a bundle to keep it going and waved off the USSR once or twice. Nixon and reagan would be heartbroken at the label. But we have long standing relations with the arabs and they have concerns too, ones that must have some legitimacy given the number of jewish figures lambasting Israel for its treatment of Palistine (although I can’t see the merit there–the Palistinians seem nutty to me).
You actually make me list things I wanted someone else to list: the US and Israel have some common outlook and some miscible religions. The political antipathy to dicators. Traditions of religious tolerance. A ‘we must all hang together or we’ll all hang separately” kind of thing. Don’t you agree?
“Israel will pay the price for the establishment of another Palestinian state.”
another one? where’s the first? You people are stupid beyond belief
Dhimmi is not my word but go ahead and pretend I invented it. Any faith practiced in an Islamic Country, I think the count is about 57 now, practices that faith as a dhimmi. The Islamists consider these people as living under the protection of Islam. Often they live in fear, since at any moment, that so-called protection can be removed.
Oh, and here is a link to countries the United States gives aid to:
Wanna talk about the value of these countries to the United States (2005) or do you just wanna single out Israel?
http://www.swivel.com/data_sets/show/1002196
And why not talk about value for the dollar. Now we get oil from Canada whose citizens don’t call for ‘Death to America’ so, for example, I would think that we get more value for our dollar in Canada. Now many countries in the Middle East who we send aid to and/or purchase their products (oil for example) hate us and call for ‘Death to America’ so we do not get a very good value for our dollar.
And if you read more closely my comments Greenberry, I did cite what Israel has given the United States that is valuable. You might not agree but you are not the sole US.
Just sayin.
The foolishness that Daniel Hannan writes about here, http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100005653/newsweek-says-britain-is-finished/ , is also found in the Oval Office, Foggy bottom, Langley and elsewhere.
Lynn, in your point #75, you mention oil from Canada. That is the case at this time. But, as long as companies based in the United States which do business in other countries are given a free pass, while companies based outside of the United States are sidelined from activity in the US economy, thanks to the US stimulus package – the double standard is noted and retaliatory measures are waiting in the wings.
Ever noticed how the “several” trolls always show up in perfect sequence?
#71 tom t – AIPAC are EXTREMELY politically correct and ALWAYS go along with the Administration. AIPAC delegates actually lobby for a two-state solution. Apparently, that is YOUR definition of a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
Jews and Christians are HATED. There is NO ONE who stands up for Jews and Christians.
PLO were REWARDED for Mass MURDER & ATROCITIES of Lebanese:
Mass murder and atrocities of Christians including ‘The Massacre and Destruction of Damour’ by PLO in Lebanon was REWARDED by importing barbaric PLO into Israel to perpetrate terrorism and mass murder of Jews and rule over Christians in brutal occupation of Judea, Samaria and Gaza. The assignment given to the PLO.
In the FILTHY Islamic Invasion of Church of Nativity, Muslims Tore Up Bibles for Toilet Paper. Christian towns, Bethlehem & Nazareth are now majority Muslim-terrified Christians have been driven out by cruel Islamic persecution. Many Bethlehem Christians’ homes and land have been stolen by Muslims.
Damour’s Christians treated Muslims from nearby villages for free in their hospital and were rewarded with great horror.
See: http://www.free-lebanon.com/LFPNews/psa/psa.html
JEWISH Refugees MUST be Compensated in LAND & Finances!
Around, and after 1948, one million Jews suffered VIOLENT religious Jew cleansing from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, farms, homes, hospitals, schools, businesses and bank accounts of the Jews.
Most Jewish refugees fled to Israel where the religious terror war against Jews NEVER stops.
Cruel Global war is fought to subjugate all humanity under merciless Islamic sharia law where defenseless non-Muslims have NO human rights-it is unacceptable to Islamics for Jews to have self-rule in TINY Israel.
The 1948 Jewish refugees and their descendants who make up about half of Israel’s Jewish citizens MUST be compensated in land and finances!
See:
http://www.theforgottenrefugees.com/
There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Jewish Bible, not once in the Koran.
The inalienable rights of Jews to the Biblical heartland must not be violated! No one is demanding Muslims surrender THEIR top religious areas of Mecca and Medina!
In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza, ethnically cleansing all Jews and in 1948, Jordan invaded Judea, Samaria and east Jerusalem, ethnically cleansing all Jews.
In violent opposition to G-D, Muslim Jordan destroyed 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. The jihad is against the Holy One.
When Israel won the Arab war of aggression in 1967, Jews returned to the areas of their ancestral homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Anti-Israel propaganda DECEITFULLY calls Jews’ legitimate return “occupation”.
Jews have had a continuous presence in physical and spiritual homeland Israel for 4000 years.
ALL LAND and Property STOLEN from Jews in the 1948 Islamic Invasion Must be Returned!
Greenberry -
The main reason the U.S. should support Israel is that it is on the front line of defense against the proselytizing, aggressive terrorist organizations. It is the only democracy in the area (though I’m hoping Iraq will also be a true democracy). You can criticize the government freely there (and everyone does, believe me), there is true freedom of religion. In the current war of values (Western vs. Islamic), Israel is on the same side as the US is (was?).
First let me categorically state as FACT that there has NEVER been a Country or State called Palestine so calling people Palestinians is fundamentally incorrect and you cannot be a refugee from a non existent country nor can it be occupied. Palestine is a Fatah Yasser Arafat INVENTED lie. Second the division of the regional territory called the Mandate of Palestine was first proposed in 1921 (unfortunate date for Holocaust guilt BS’ers I know) and finally implemented by the UN in 1948.
The intention both in 1921 and in 1948 was to distribute the territory of the Mandate of Palestine roughly 50/50 between the OCCUPYING ARAB Muslim INVADERS and the traditional historic residents the Jews. Unfortunately however the ensuing decisions, most notably the Sykes–Picot Agreement which gave birth to the French Mandate of Syria and British Mandate of Palestine. “More than 76% OF THE British Mandate of Palestine” was east of the Jordan river and was known as “Transjordan”. So Israel in 1948 was left with less than 20% of that territory. The ARABS have attacked Israel many times since its formation and in every time were badly beaten losing some territory which Israel now hold by ‘Right of Conquest’
So lets sum it up of the territory originally proposed to be split 50/50 the Jews have been left with less than 20% Arab MUSLIM invaders holding the rest (80%) by ‘Right of Conquest’. But the FANTASY people who call themselves Palestinians and the ARABS and the stupid Western Governments most notably the USA led by the Mohammedan BOGUS POTUS HUSSEIN want the Jews to give back the land they took by conquest while allowing the ARAB INVADERS to keep all the land that they are only occupying by conquest. Now does that seem logical to you if it does they you are either stupid, Mohammedan or a left wing Obambi loving ‘libtard’ and believe that ONLY Muslim ARABS have a right of conquest and that an 80/20 split is a logically fair solution to a 50/50 proposal.
So there you have it the ARAB Muslim INVADERS have their own state in fact they have TWO Syria and Jordan. Jordan comprises 76% of what was the British Mandate of Palestine and EGYPT with the Siai about another 6-10%. But its Israel and the Jews who are asked and pressured to give up territory when they only have less than 20% of the 50% they should have got. This is not about land it has never been about land its just about Muslim Arabs wanting to kill Jews and the Dhimmi West looks on in bemused Arab supporting complicity.
I see PJM is editing anything about the truth of Palestine whats the matter scared of Mohammedan Terrorists or just anti semitic.
“That said, foreign policy is set by Congress. Under the constitution, only Congress has the ability to sign and abandon treaties.”
Look at Obama’s first 100 days.
The administration can do an awfull lot before Congress gets off its duff and legislates a leash.
Islam, Muslims nor sharia deserve Constitutional protection in the US.
Islam and Sharia constitute a comprehensive means of ordering society at every level. While it is in theory possible for an Islamic society to have different outward forms — an elective system of government, a hereditary monarchy, etc. — whatever the outward structure of the government, Sharia is the prescribed content. It is this fact that puts Sharia into conflict with forms of government , specifically US Law!
Islam is NOT a religion.
Islam: “submission” or “surrender.”
Muslim: one who submits.
Allah is a fictional god
Allah: is not god as Jews, Christians or any other religion thinks of God.
When a muslim speaks of allah, he is describing a figment of a deranged, narcissist, a ruthless terrorist, a mass-murderer, a thief, slave trader, rapist and pedophile.
Islam does not qualify for Constitutional protection since it is a terrorist system to subvert the US Constitution via sharia…
August 6, 2009
“They…cut their heads one after the other and thereafter, shouted allah akbar in wild celebration accompanied with several gun shots”
Nigerian Christian pastors beheaded by Boko Haram — “Education Is Sin” — Islamic jihad group for refusing to convert to Islam.
No Compulsion In Religion and Education Is Sin Updates: “Boko Haram: How 3 pastors were beheaded eyewitness,” by Timothy Ola in the Daily Sun of Lagos, Nigeria (thanks to Skydeexie):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
Absolutely correct Dwoods Islam is an Arab Supremacist CULT and its stated aim is to rule the world and anyone who is not a Muslim would pay tax to them and be second class citizens. Its all in the Koran but idiotic Western Leaders annd left wing ‘libtard’ moonbats try to pretend its not there. Just like the same moonbats tried to ignore Hitlers Meine Kampf before WW11
What’s the problem?
Did we see AIPAC together with 80% of the American (liberal) Jews oppose Obama? Nope. They voted for him and were quite active in presenting the “infomercial” to the voting public. You asked for it; you got it: Obama. Now live with him.
81 freedom: I agree with that; you’re about the only one that seeks to find a common cause. thank you. The vast majority of the other hysterical posts only remind me how glad I am to be in a country where religion plays a lesser role, and often how weak is the understanding of the point you made.
Thanks, Greenberry
Good, now we can begin talks about why we send aid/money to Egypt. Or what does Egypt have that is of value to the US.
Um, I think that Egypt is on the front line of proselytizing, aggressive terrorist organizations. It is not a democracy in the area. You can’t criticize the government freely, there is NO true freedom of religion. In the current war of values (Western vs. Islamic), Egypt IS on the same side as the US is (not was).
So you see, it is a see/saw, give money to the Islamists who want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and give money to Israel who does not want to be wiped from the face of the earth.
And that is how you maintain a balanced foreign policy, you support both. Right now the see/saw after briefly giving weight to Israel’s right to exist, BUMP down we go, and the weight of this administration is on the side of the Islamists.
Hysterically speaking.
Greengerry: FYI…..Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and has always been a staunch ally of the United States. As someone who was in Israel during 9/11, I can tell you that it was the Arabs who were dancing on the rooftops and shooting off guns when 3,000 innocent people died. Their jubilation was disgusting and anti-human. In contrast, Israelis grieved, cried, held candle-light vigils and renamed streets after New York. It had nothing to due with financial aid. Strategically, Israel important to keeping stability and some semblance of democracy in the Middle East. If you don’t like Jews/Israelis that’s fine, but politically, you must at least recognize her importance.
27. Pragmatist:
“Thomas you really are a NAZI you have just parroted Goebels ‘The Jews created Communist’ BS”
While what he personally wrote on the subject I can’t say much about the accuracy but the link he provides no where mentions Jews.
# 93 Scott THIS is what Thomas wrote if the link that he provided as EVIDENCE for his conclusions does not mention Jews at all then that is a monument to HIS stupidity and BLATANT anti semitism. The capitalised comment is brackets are mine as they clarify his previous postings subject.
“You are seriously mistaken: you have conveniently forgotten their (THE JEWS) role in the Bolshevik revolution in Eastern Europe and Russia. The whole PC crap, MC and the general spawning of Marxism Leninism is attributable to the Frankfurt School’s Cultural Marxists like Marcuse, Adorno,- all immigrants from Germany and all of Jewish descent. These peoples became university profs in the States and poisoned untold generations of young, impressionable minds. Take a look at the influence of Chomsky, Zinn and many more just to know where the deathly wind is blowing from.
Behold the most vituperative leaders of the turbulent 60-ties …”
For all you nuts out there.TheMessiah sat in The Rev.Wright’s church for 20 years and didn’t hear his hate crap. This man is dumber than whale poop.