Obama’s Continuing Jewish Problem
When Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz proclaimed Obama’s support for Israel in a Pennsylvania synagogue, she was visibly shocked by the loud and vocal dissent from the audience. Unlike the sanitized pro-Obama Jewish events in Florida, where Jews who opposed him were prevented from entering, the Pennsylvania event was open to all.
Wasserman Schultz apparently so believes her own rhetoric and has been so insulated from the political change sweeping the Jewish community that for a few moments she seemed sufficiently shaken to be unable to continue her speech.
One group that has had its pulse on the political leanings of the Jewish community is the Republican Jewish Coalition. Playing on the theme of buyer’s remorse — Jews who voted for Obama but will not again — the RJC has been running ads and videos with Jews who supported Obama in 2008 and are vocal about their intent not to do so now.
The Jewish Democrats will quickly point out that no one expects the majority of the Jewish community to vote for Mitt Romney. But they fail to see that this election will, by all current indications, be close. A predicted near twenty-percent shift in the Jewish vote in critical states like Florida and Ohio can devastate Obama’s electoral vote count.
It is no accident that while Mitt Romney was on his way to Israel, Obama signed a security agreement giving Israel preferential access to American arms and munitions. Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak was quick to note how supportive the Obama administration was of Israel, and liberal Jews immediately seized on that as if it were something other than the expected response of a small country dependent for its military hardware on a large country.
More important to discerning observers of the Middle East has been Obama’s flawed foreign policy in the region. It is no accident that Dennis Ross, veteran Middle East negotiator and 2008 Obama campaigner, will not be on the campaign trail this time. And Ross’ assistant, Aaron David Miller, just published an illuminating article in Foreign Policy noting that Obama’s view of the world does not include the scenario of an Israel surrounded by Arab states bent on its destruction. Rather, Obama’s sympathies are derived from his leftist political socialization, and he does not see a concession that Israel should not be forced to make to the Arabs.
The exclusion of Israel from the anti-terrorism conference the Obama administration sponsored in Turkey, and the conference’s refusal to acknowledge that Israeli civilians murdered in Israel at the hands of Islamic terrorists are terrorist victims, further underscores the leftist, pro-Muslim ideology of this administration. This is why its Department of State and press secretary are incapable of enunciating the words “Jerusalem” and “Israel’s capital” in the same sentence. Mitt Romney had absolutely no difficulty announcing what every Israeli knows: Jerusalem is Israel’s capital.
Jerusalem historically was never a divided city until the Arabs captured it in 1948 and prevented Jews from having access to their holy sites and burial places. East Jerusalem is as much an historical fiction as was East Berlin.
Obama’s thinking on Israel was best articulated by Thomas Friedman in a recent column that is as fatuous as it is banal. The object of Friedman’s outrage is Mitt Romney’s trip to Israel. Friedman characterizes Romney’s trip as one of pandering to Jews for money — and then quips that Romney should have taken it to Vegas, where there is more than sufficient Jewish money and equally compelling photo opportunities. Friedman increasingly has fallen into the leftist routine of wrapping Jews in stereotypes, mostly about money.
Friedman goes on to argue for more American pressure on Israel, noting that the major obstacle to peace is neither Palestinian intransigence nor Palestinian terrorism but Israeli settlements. Someone needs to remind Friedman that terrorism existed long before the first settlement, and Israel’s total removal of settlements from Gaza brought rockets and missiles, not peace. A similar outcome would await Israel’s departure from the West Bank.
By experience and socialization, the Jews Obama surrounded himself with in his Hyde Park bastion of rarified, elite liberalism are Jews who think like Friedman. But these Jews are hardly representative of the views on Israel of the majority of Jews for whom Israel is an issue. These incestuous political contacts are what have and continue to shape Obama’s thinking on the Middle East.
Israel itself, however, is only the most observable aspect of Obama’s Jewish problem, for as Noah Pollak has so aptly noted, Jews, like other voters, are first and foremost Americans and have the same needs and problems as other Americans. They are beset by a declining economy, fewer opportunities for their children, and an administration that never saw a new government bureaucracy that didn’t need to be funded.
Political preference itself is a function of the interaction of a number of factors. Among these, as I have argued in the scholarly literature, is ethnicity acting as a catalyst that heightens and reinforces those factors. But political socialization is not political destiny, and as some Jews change their partisan preference, so too will both their Jewish friends and neighbors. Once the social stigma of voting Republican is removed, there will be more Jews willing to come out of the political closet, and others unable to admit it publicly but who will vote Republican nonetheless.
the Jews Obama surrounded himself with in his Hyde Park bastion of rarified, elite liberalism are Jews who think like Friedman.
…and who all think in lockstep and would never risk breaking ranks. Well, ‘ef ‘em, it’s the road to oblivion.
There’s a whole world out here that’s passing them by.
Mr. Miller: As much as I would like it to be so, I don’t think it iso. Jews are not flocking to Romney. Polls continue to show something like a 65/29 split for Obama. My co-religionists like all Leftists seem to suffer from a brain disorder. They refuse to accept the empirical reality that O is bad for America and very bad for Israel. A columnist in a review of Benjamin Netanyahu discussed his father’s take on Jews in Spain in the 15th century. According to him, those Jews refused to see the stark Judeo-phobia all around, and, so, they were totally blind-sided when the expulsion came. So, too, the Jews of America. They refuse to see what is going on with this Administration and its racist attitude towards whites and its disdain for Israel and its government.
BTW Some of us do think like Friedman; that’s Milton Friedman.
Jack, that split you cite would be a huge bummer for O, no? It would reduce his margin among Jews dramatically, and that could make the difference in some states.
I get the impression from my Jewish friends that their enthusiasm for the great progressive champion O is vastly diminished. I don’t know how many will still vote for him, but I think some, at least will not vote, vote for a third-party throw-away or vote … gasp! for a Mormon Republican.
The drop to 65% is huge-and that is just those who will admit changing their minds to pollsters (not to mention their family and friends). Much more telling is the response in the synogogue that stopped Wasserman-Shultz in her tracks.
Don’t doubt there were many more who felt the same contempt but were silent out of conventional notions of respect for the invited speaker.
As a Jew (a white crow, a rara avis – a Conservative Jew), I assert that unless we are able to change Jewish DNA in mass, Jews will always predominantly vote for the Disaster-in-Chief and the likes, no matter what.
It’s a genetic dementia.
I can understand (but not excuse) the mass participation of Jews in leading roles in the bloody Bolshevik coup d’état in 1917 with its atrocities thereafter: there were “pogroms” and certain oppressions in the Tsarist Russia.
But nowadays Jewish gravitation to Leftism and Socialism, under existing conditions favorable to Jews, is beyond my comprehension. And frankly makes me puke.
Here comes constantine with his b#llsh#t again. He’s claiming to be a Jew again. Don’t believe it. He’s a Ukranian and loves to smear Jews whenever he can.
Dear coward,
sure, I am an Ukrainian…if:
1. You are a Congolese cannibal;
2. Moscow, which is the city were I was born, is in Ukraine;
3. You can prove that you are not a stinky liar, being of which I publicly accuse you of;
4. You are able to refute on a documentary basis at least one word of what I am saying in my comments.
I repeat: you are a stinky miserable liar….or, maybe, just a Congolese cannibal?
Gee, you’re not a bit racist, are you? Come on, let it out! Show us the real you!
Accusations in racism is a beloved trick of Liberasts. Congrats.
I have to disappoint you:
I love Allan West who is a lot more Black than al-Sharp Ton and Louis Fart-A-Khan.
I love Angela McGlowan who is a lot more Black than Maxine Waters.
I love David Horowitz who had enough wisdom and courage to abandon his rabid Leftism and become a normal person and is a lot more Jew than David Axelrod.
Etc.
So, your slander doesn’t work. No, sorry, it works: it stinks. As everything what Lefties do, though. Nothing new.
@Anonymous:
Listen you, “right (but always wrong) Anonymous,”
you seem to have no problem with being deadly boring:
the only thing you proved you are perfect of is foaming at your mouth.
No facts, no thoughts, just sputtering.
At since it seems you enjoy yourself, I can call you “Onanismous” instead of Anonymous, which is not your name anyway, right?
P.S. I’ve already apologized for accidental posting as an “anonymous” and immediately corrected that mistake.
I am a Jewish lady, and totally agree with Constantine. It makes me ill also…. so much for the vaunted Jewish brains that was supposed to make us proud.
What brains?? All those Nobel prizes and not a lick of common sense….
Hi Loretta: Nice to see your response, as I am also a Jewish F. I grew up in Midwest, I studied PoliSci at Univ. of MN, a very liberal, but fair dept. of Professors who at least believed in developing a broad-minded approach to study.
Like you I am disgusted/sickened by the level of denial American Jews are frozen into. They so want Obama to be this messianic Prince; the First African-American President of their dreams.
We have a very misguided CongressWoman, in the name of Deborah Wasserman-Schultz, who wants to be the sole mouthpiece for Americn Jews & Obama. She states Republican Jews have no right to be using Israel as political football. In the Republican party, we have Michelle Bachman, who is bravely trying to “vet” Hillary Clinton’s chief advisor in our State Dept., Uma Abedin. A woman born to Muslim-Arab parents here in U.S., but was taken back to Middle East to be raised & educated as a very small child. Uma did not return to States, until it was time for her to attend college. Rep. Peter King, chairman of a committee investigating Muslim American ties to terrorism; has some major concerns about Ms. Abedin (she is now married to former Congressman Weiner who was ejected by Congress for his inappropriate behavior; Bill & Hillary Clinton provided a beautiful five 5***** wedding for them, as if she were their own daughter. Apparantly Ms. Abedin is very well liked, instead of party notables helping Michelle Bachman & supporting her courage to look into this potentially dangerous threat to our Homeland, she is being reprimanded like a young child. The more I think about Uma Abedin & Hillary, the more disgusted and discouraged I feel. Imagine, allowing our Secretary of State appointing a possible enemy of State without a proper vetting?? Every day it seems, crazy reports demonstrating a lack of common sense, are coming out of our Capital and our WH.
I have overstayed my time here. I congradulate Mr. Miller for having the courage to “tell it like it n
A bit understated; the Czar was essentially at war with, or rather against, his Jewish population – a one-sided war. The first target of the Jewish Communists was the Rabbis and the Jewish religion itself; they basically destroyed Judaism in the Russia and the Ukraine, a situation which we in Israel are still dealing with.
One should also note that the Eastern European sees a Jew under every bed and tends to exaggerate it; for example, people who didn’t like Solidarity thought it was Jewish. And how many people think Engles was Jewish simply because he had a German name? (Actually, neither was Marx, except by birth.)
Constantine still mourns the Kulaks, “It was all the Jewish Bolsheviks fault.” and I think I am quoting him accurately.
Wrong and False again. You seems to be incurable.
@mzk1:
Dear mzk1,
a bit overstated… or, to be more precise, greatly exaggerated.
Just a short advice for the future: if you are going to discuss with me something related to Russia, please take some courses in history first.
Your phrase “the Czar was essentially at war with Jews” reads as if there was only one Tsar in Russia. Wrong. Many.
And different Tsars conducted different politics toward Jews.
After partions of Poland in XVII-th century, commerce in Russia had been concentrated in hands of Jews and, since the commercial-industrial estate has got a dominating role in the cities self-management, it had transformed Jews into a well established social force.
Russian merchants lodged several “chelobitnaya” (petitions), and in 1791, the Empress Yekaterina the Second had issued a decree of The pale of the Settlement for Jews that included a huge terrotory: 15 provinces and Poland.
But that time all tax-paying estates – the peasants, petty bourgeoises, artisans, craftsmen, merchant – were not allowed to move freely from one region to another one, so that Decree didn’t put Jews in any special disadvantageous conditions in comparison with Christians.
Moreover, until 1861, if to compare with the overall status of the great bulk of the Russian nation, Jews were enjoying personal freedom the Russian serfs couldn’t even dream of.
In order to instigate and stimulate transition of Jews to Orthodox Christianity, Tsar Nicolas the First enjoined to pay a significant reward. But the qahal-rabbinical union ferociously objected those efforts in order to preserve their control over Jewry of Russia and keep their “state within State.”
Tsar Alexander the Second had abrogated all boudary conditions and restrictions on Jews, and Jews were allowed to enter colleges and gymnasiums on equal basis with others; to take examinations and get officer ranks, including “councillor of State”, which made a Jew ennobled.
Restrictions were partially restored after the Tsar was killed by members of the terrorist group “People’s will” on March 1, 1881.
This topic is too big and important to be comprehensively elaborated in this short comment.
Thus, I have to briefly conclude.
In ‘the Declaration of Rights of the people of Russia.’ issued on November 2, 1917, any religious privileges and restrictions were abrogated. In the real life, though, a huge number of Russian churches were desecrated and demolished.
The Decree of the Council of People’s Commissars (CHK) of the Russian Republic, published on January 23, 1918, that had stripped the Orthodox Russian Church of all legal and ownership rights, was prepared by the “People’s commissar of justice,” a Left Social Revolutionary (LSR) I.Z.Steinberg (a Jew) and the Head of the Department of legislative assumptions Narkomjusta Michael Reusner.
Synagogues were not specifically targeted by Bolsheviks.
Bolsheviks faught ferociously only against the Russian Orthodox Church and only until the beginning of 1930s.
Almost no synagogues were destroyed.
P.S. In 1929, one of my then young relatives, an Orthodox clergy, has been arrested for “religious activities” and sent to GULag (where he was then murdered) by an order of the First Deputy Chairman of the Consolidated State Political Administration (OGPU, the predecessor of the KGB), a Jew Genrikh Yagoda.
Yep, another Jew? This reads like a text right out of the KGB manual on “how to hate Jews and why to mistreat them”. I wish you would annotate your “writings”. First you have to find out what the word annotate means.
@mzk1:
Dear mzk1,
I regret to inform you that I forgot to mention in my previous response to you a very interesting document that proves that an alleged fierce fight allegedly conducted by Bolsheviks against Jews is a very convenient but shameless myth Jews invented to justify the mass involvement of Jews in the bloody inhuman Bolshevik regime, particularly during the Bolshevik coup d’état 1917 and the first 20 years thereafter.
The Decree of the Bolshevik Government, which consisted and was led mostly by Jews: Kamenev, Zinoviev, Sverdlov, Unschlikht, Babitsky, and others, besides the Bandit-in-Chief (partially Jew) Lenin, was issued in a few months after the coup d’état, on April 12, 1918, and was ran as follows:
“ABOUT THE STRUGGLE AGAINST ANTI-SEMITISM AND THE JEWISH POGROMS”
I’m the right anonymous not you. Now we don’t know which side of the argument you are on or if you’re the right anonymous or the wrong one. Maybe you are just confused. That could be a better handle for you than anonymous or constantine. Let’s just call you “confused”.
@mzk1:
Dear mzk1,
Sorry, I forgot to insert my name, so the addendum has been posted as “anonymous,” which was not my intention. Thus, I post once again with my name (I am not a coward to hide as many others do)
I regret to inform you that I forgot to mention in my previous response to you a very interesting document that proves that an alleged fierce fight allegedly conducted by Bolsheviks against Jews is a very convenient but shameless myth Jews invented to justify the mass involvement of Jews in the bloody inhuman Bolshevik regime, particularly during the Bolshevik coup d’état 1917 and the first 20 years thereafter.
The Decree of the Bolshevik Government, which consisted and was led mostly by Jews: Kamenev, Zinoviev, Sverdlov, Unschlikht, Babitsky, and others, besides the Bandit-in-Chief (partially Jew) Lenin, was issued in a few months after the coup d’état, on April 12, 1918, and was ran as follows:
“ABOUT THE STRUGGLE AGAINST ANTI-SEMITISM AND THE JEWISH POGROMS”
Yep, there’s a Jew around every corner. We all better keep our eyes open for them. Oops, I think I see a Jew!
Please Jewish voters WAKE THE F UP, if Obama gets re-elected he will have the Muslim Bro Hood open up shop in Israel – if you cannot VOTE Rep, at LEAST stay home and DONT vote
Is this is a serious comment? How is Obama going to force Israel to allow the Muslim Brotherhood to “set up shop” in Israel? Why on earth would Israel allow that? Do you think that Israel just rubberstamps everything Obama wants? Or do you think that Israel with its vastly superior armed forces will be helpless to defend against the Muslim Brotherhood? I am seriously struggling to find anything remotely rational in this comment.
As an Israeli, it makes perfect sense to me. You have no idea the degree to which the US can get Israel to do suicidal acts (such as the freeze when Obama took office). As far as setting up shop in Israel, the PA is already here, so it isn’t that far-fetched. Also – we thought we were superior in ’73, and we came close to tragedy. I don’t want war with Egypt, heaven forbid.
And it isn’t just Obama himself – it’s the entire Democrat party.
Evil anti-Semitic bigot Jimmy Carter to address the Democratic National Convention
If half as much verbiage were devoted to the African American vote as opposed to the Jewish vote Romney might actually have a shot. The problem is that attacks against Jewish voting patterns are considered legitimate but attacks against African-American voting patterns are off limits. Estimates are that 7.7million African Americans voted for Obama and that the total Jewish population in the US is about 5.5million many of whom are children, some of whom don’t vote and a small percentage that voted Republican. Perhaps some Republicans have given up on the black vote. Thus they repeat the same mistake they made with the Jewish vote. Sad indeed.
To whom do you think all the anti-Obama messages are directed? And if you don’t think the Jews, or the blacks, have been properly targeted by Republicans in the past, then you need to consider that Jews and blacks might be over-identifying with their religion and their “race”, respectively, to be functioning as Americans first and foremost (which is what our country needs now).
Amen, Dale, Amen!
Jews have been “identifying with their country first”. That’s why they have voted for an Administration that is clearly dangerous to the Jewish people wherever they may reside.
Precisely. The Jewish Liberals think they are puttign their fellow Americans before their own interests. Just like thE christian Liberals.
Right effing on!
The Jewish vote is far more important than the Black vote. Jews vote in far higher percentages. They also have lots and lots more money. Blacks do not. They don’t in normal times, and this economy has almost totally wiped them out.
Obama’s fund-raising is way off target, because the Jews are not giving near as much as before. The sheer number of big donors is way down from ’08 for him.
Blacks are important for local elections and the Democratic primary, but not so important in the really big elections. They do not have the money to go with their numbers.
Hello Mr. Ben Yakov….Sir i do not think there is anything Anti Semite in these comments…..I truely think that places like Fla. is going to need every Jewish vote that they can get for the Romney vote…And i can assure you sir that the Black Christian Ministers,maybe i should of used a small c with the word christian,….many are really bothered by what 0zaamb0 is doing with his pushing his [0zaamb0`s] godless morals upon the black voters, in their churches…..There is so many wells without water, and broken cisturns, in that community, that they would vote 0b, even if he was to grow horns and call himself the devil…Many of their ministers does not even own a bible….surely you know all that…….Jimi
I actually grew up in Hyde Park and am voting for Romney this time around. Seriously…
Me,too.
Jewish voting habits *are* slowly changing, but some of that has nothing to do with the current Obama/Romney contest. Rather, it’s due to demographics.
Liberal Jews, like liberal Christians, don’t have many children. Traditional/religious Jews have children. And religious Jews lean conservative. They send their children to Jewish day schools and religious schools, which are expensive, so naturally they support school vouchers. They support traditional marriage. Except for a fringe, they support Israel. And they don’t like the government meddling in their lives. A recent survey of the New York region confirms the trend.
But this shift will take another generation. In the meantime, most “Jewish” organizations are still headed by liberal Jews. That includes the JCCs and Federations, advocacy groups like ADL, media (Forward, JTA, Moment, Tablet), Reform and Conservative synagogues and their seminaries, etc.
This is quite insightful and useful demographic information. It would be nice to see the Jewish vote actually begin to reflect conservatives respect for religous freedom and Israel’s existence. Sounds like that is more likely to happen in the next 25 years or so.
It will not take even almost that long. Many of us no longer support the traditional Jewish organizations. I used to contribute regularly but now those envelopes go in the trash unopened. Instead I give to conservative organizations, including evangelical Christian, who support the US constitution, strong defense, strong economy, and support for freedom, including support for Israel and throughout the world.
Thank you Elle…..You are a true American…..I also support Ysrael with my every thought….Yes i am a Zionest, Christian, or Christian Zionest…Yhwh bless you Elle…..Jimi
I absolutely agree with you and I think that the Jewish vote towards Democrats and Obama are over-inflated. Basically they are taking Jews with probably no affiliation with Judaism or Jewish institutions and having them identify themselves as a religion or nationality to issues which their allegiance to is because of their primary beliefs, culture and economic interests. Their Jewishness is solely defined to themselves as voting Democratic. You would not define this as a Christian vote for instance but just liberal. Christians would seem more liberal if non-practicing Christians were always lumped in.
I also believe that when affiliated and Zionist Jews identify themselves as worried about economic issues they get lumped in as issues voters.
Basically I believe there is a purposeful inversion going on which are meant to skew the numbers of how Jews actually vote hoping to keep automatic Democratic lever pulling go as long as possible or to at least provide “cover” for vote fraud.
Completely agree with you Raymond, good job.
There is one other group of Jews that is Conservative, and that is the immigrants from the former USSR.
For even one American Jew to vote for Obama would be a mark of insanity. It is only and eminently logical that American Jews will gravitate away from him, and vote for his opponent.
And I will believe that…. when I SEE that.
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I will…. be…. lieve it….. when I…. SEE it….!!!! NOT before.
Been down this road before, have I.
We are interested in not in a majority, but in a siginificant percentage shift that would tip Florida and maybe Ohio. On the other hand, it probably hurts in Michigan.
I’ve often wondered why so many Jewish people, who tend to be well educated and so presumably able to think logically, support a party and philosophy that does not support Israel at all.
Because in the last decades being “educated” doesn’t really mean getting an education, but getting indoctrinated with leftist propaganda, so the higher average education rate a group has the more it will lean to the left, unless its members come with strong opposing principles and awareness from home which allows them to question the supposed authority of their professors and books. For various historical reasons Jews lean to the left, but if young people were properly exposed to a wide range of different ideas – and by properly I mean in depth – there would naturally be more diversity. However, when you grow up in a leftist environment, where you’re not seriously exposed to rightist ideas and theories, and then you go to college and get leftist indoctrination, what are your chances to independently break out of that and become a conservative?
The article answered that question: “Once the social stigma of voting Republican is removed, there will be more Jews willing to come out of the political closet, and others unable to admit it publicly but who will vote Republican nonetheless.”
Social stigma. They follow the herd. Sheeple. They will be Left when it is fashionable to be Left, and Right when it is fashionable to be Right. It is not just the Jews who are like this. Most people are like this.
They vote for and support the party that is hostile to Christianity. The Leftist party.
It really IS as simple as that. Not that big of a mystery.
Secularization, disempowerment of Christianity and Christians in the public sphere, diversity promotion, multiculturalism, subordinating the majority religion to minorities ie celebrating diversity and promoting all “Others”
Figure it out already.
The fallacy in your anti-semitic comment is as follows:
What drives the Christian Left, then? The NCC, the old-line churches, all of these groups that replace the Bible with the Democratic National platform. The big split is not between Judaism and Christinaity; it is between the left-wing religions and the right-wing religions.
Why are Jews liberals?
Please read the rabid self hating Anti-Semite Michael Medveds piece…
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/why-are-jews-liberals%e2%80%94a-symposium/
…and quit making excuses for the vast majority of Jews and slandering people that notice and voice this rather mundane observation. Letting Political Correctness muddle our minds, isnt going to get us anywhere.
Dear Old School,
Although I’m a staunch conservative now, I remember pondering and going to a Republican meeting. I had decided to support Ronald Regan in his bid against Jerry Ford. The first thing I heard from an old school Republican was a Jew joke.
Really funny! I didn’t join the Republican Party until after the Clinton fiasco. I hadn’t changed, on the other hand the Democratic Party changed and so did the Republican Party. I was no longer the only Jew in the group. We have an old history most young Republicans don’t know of. Jews have a long memory. We remember things that happened to us 3500 years ago and you want us to change in an instant. It doesn’t work that way. For the first time the Republican Party in on the right track in regards to the Jews. I just hope that its not too late.
Thank you Raymond, for stating the obvious, that our punditocracy doesn’t understand because they didn’t do well in arithmetic in elementary school. Demographic change is the most important and lasting change in a population, but it takes generations. For example, the Orthodox and Russian populations have been growing for decades, in the NY area, and this has been visible at the street level, for those of us who actually get out once in a while. However, it was only in the most recent UJA demographic survey that this reality finality came out with the statistic that 74% of all Jewish children in NYC are growing up in Orthodox homes! This change has been happening incrementally for 40 years, and yet it took until now, for the liberal pundits and analysts to finally wake up to the changed reality. That reality is that they represent a dying culture.
Accordingly, the Jewish vote, which is top heavy with aging dinosaurs who are almost all liberal, is not going to go from 22% Republican in 2008 to 60% Republican in 2012. That isn’t possible. What is possible and likely is a change to 30-35% this time around. In places like Florida and NJ, that could make the difference that Romney needs, assuming he can switch other key constituencies as well, by small margins. That sort of change would be highly significant, and would be followed in 2016 by even more change. Within 20 years, the majority of Jews will be voting Republican. That would be a revolution, and we can thank Barack Obama and the leftwing lunies of the Democratic Party for that shift.
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then 20 years from now the USA will have been dead and buried for 16 years already, and Judenrein for 12.
Prof. Miller – Yasher koach.
Ellen – Gd willing NJ Jews should go 30 to 35% for Romney. It’s hard to get them even to suppport tuition tax credit type programs which would ultimately aid day schools.
The key trend for the shift of Jews to conservative views is the remoteness of Jewish identity with the labor movements. Fewer and fewer Jews are working in union jobs. Fewer and fewer jews have parents or grandparents who worked in union jobs. Thus the romanticism surrounding the Jewish labor movements is fading. Further more, this is a generation that grew up in the eighties where increasing one’s personal wealth was not so stigmatized. Lastly, many young jews realize that affirmative action is directly hurting them when it comes to university applications, tenure, partnerships and contracts.
But U.S. Jews are heavily a/w a social class which assigns prestige based on holding certain pinko beliefs.
Even if one is not part of a union, the crowd at the law firm, kids’ Ivy school, Pilates class and temple would be shocked if one objected to gay marriage, widespread abortion, etc. and supported tax cuts across the board, heavy bombing of Iran, etc.
Another self proclaimed Jew maven. This man obviously got his brains from a Rice Crispies box. This man is one of the reasons Jews have been so hesitant to abandon the Democratic Party. How would you like to have to sit at the same table with him and listen to him. It would make dining into a belemic marathon.
I think all voters that are religious should really reassess voting for Obama and the Merry D’s. They have been very hostile to most groups and have shown to be willing to throw them under the bus at the D’s earliest convenience. The key issues where the sell out has been greatest
- Israel – Basically the free country should be under Hamas control.
- Religious Freedom – Contraception Mandate, EEO complaint, ObamaCare, etc.
- Same Sex Marriage
- Dismal economic guidance
- Fiscal prudence
- School Choice
- Parental Notification on Birth Control & Abortion.
Why do the D’s have the lock on Catholics, Baptists, Jews, or for anyone that has moral values.
Why do these groups support the Democrats?
Alynski
The activists would “convert” to whatever, go in, pull a Delphi, vote as a bloc, put their own in charge, “convert” to the next religion, and repeat. Of course, no one looked to see if the “converts” were actually enemy agents.
not “Alynski” — which shows you don’t know what you’re talking about.
A spelling flame proves, what?
The Catholic vote is similar to what #9 Ellen described above; those who reject Humanae Vitae don’t have as many children as those who follow Church teachings so young Catholics tend to be more conservative than before. Like Orthodox Jews, traditional Catholics tend strongly toward voting Republican. (Think Joe Biden and Jim Moran vs David Vitter and Paul Ryan).
Enthusiasm is as important as voting, if not more. If Jews (for example) are less enthusiastic about Obama, they will not give as much $$$ and they will not promote him to their friends.
That is a blow to Obama, even if most Jews still vote for him.
I lose sympathy for people when they continually vote against their self-interest. Liberals have long been hostile to Israel and to Jews, yet Jews keep voting Dem. They are getting what they voted for along with the Catholics who clutched their collective pearls over the birth control mandate.
It is difficult to feel sorry for folks who put in power the very folks who act counter to their interests. Obama does not have a Jewish problem; Jews have an Obama problem. Unlike him, they can fix it. But they probably won’t.
I hope you’re right Abraham. I still don’t understand why U.S. Jews vote democrat. Can someone explain this?
Sure, I’ll take a stab:
1. Not to overgeneralize, but many American Jews are well educated urban professionals. A bunch live in Hollywood and New York City. The Republican party never spares an opportunity to blame Hollywood, New York, and lawyers for the moral decay of the country. The GOP will never point a finger at Wall Street or out-of-control private military contractors as symbols of American moral decay, instead they go right to Hollywood and shystery trial attorneys. To many Jews, this is dog-whistle anti-Semitism.
2. Evangelicals scare the crap out of us.
3. Our grandparents fought tooth and nail against conservative factory owners for worker’s rights, just as our parents fought against conservative segregationists for African American’s rights, just as we now fight conservatives for gay rights. When it comes to freedom, equality, and workers’ rights, it just seems like Jews and conservatives tend to find themselves at opposite ends of the fire hose.
4. For obvious reasons, a lot of Jews are immediately turned off by discrimination of any kind, as we have seen how quickly it can turn from mere discrimination to something far, far more evil. When we see conservatives so gleefully attacking Latinos, Arabs, gays, and other minority groups, our Spidey Sense goes haywire.
5. Money isn’t everything, and money means nothing if you aren’t free and equal. We’ve seen the future of the Republican Party, and it is the Tea Party. And the Tea Party has no interest in governing or compromising, they only want to rule. They want the most pro-corporate agenda possible, and they are willing to do, and pay, whatever it takes to get it. They believe that money, not Democracy, should dictate American policy, and they aim to create a new American aristocracy. If you are a wealthy sociopath like Sheldon Adelson, this probably sounds great. If you are a normal human being, Jewish or not, this sounds like a nightmarish dystopia.
The TEA party wants to rule?
(blink, blink)
going blink blink, or is it your ass, where your brains are . . .
I was with you right until you got to the Tea Party. As a Tea Party partisan, I can attest that none of your description fits. This is how the Left scares people with the Tea Party boogie man. When you investigate the Tea Party for yourself,as I did, you will find that your negative description is totally inaccurate as to who these people are and what they believe.
The problem is that you think YOU are the Tea Party. Perhaps you used to be the Tea Party, but that’s over. The Tea Party is really, truly, a small group of Republican mega donors:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79413.html?hp=t2_3
These guys don’t really care about small government, just as they don’t really care about individual rights, the Constitution, or really, much else that the Tea Party faithful actually care about. They care about what they want, and what they want is more taxpayer-funded subsidies for their businesses, immunity from any DOJ investigators who might find the skeletons in their closets, and legislation that is friendly to their businesses. They could care less what happens to you. But they know that in order to win they need you to vote for their candidate. And since they have a lot of money, they can front organizations like American for Prosperity to bus you to Tea Party rallies, feed you, give you hats and t-shirts, and then pay for Sarah Palin to trot up on stage and tell you guys how awesome you are for being a Tea Party supporter, and how EVIL those liberals are for destroying America with all the socialism, fascism, etc.
If the Tea Party is for smaller government, then why is Ron Paul exiled? Where are all the Tea Party proposals to cut military spending (53 cents of every tax dollar!) or Medicare spending (largest entitlement program!) Why does every Tea Party bill create MORE useless government, such as Voter ID laws? Do you have any idea how many bureaucrats the government now has to hire in order to go through all the voter rolls despite zero evidence of voter fraud?
The truth is, if there ever was an actual grass-roots Tea Party, it’s since been co-opted by the same big government-teat sucking crony capitalists that rolled our country into the ditch in the first place. It’s been co-opted by the same guys who think we need to continually send our kids to go fight in every single godawful Middle East hellhole in existence, regardless of the cost. It’s been co-opted by people who, if you were in the same room with them, wouldn’t even acknowledge you as equal, much less thank you for your support.
I commend the noble pursuit of a very limited government of just and equal application of the laws that doesn’t pick winners or subsidize cronies, but rather gets out of the way wherever possible to allow individuals to make their own way and survive on the fruits of their own labor. But if you think you’re going to achieve that by voting for the current crop of Tea Party candidates, I’m sorry, but you’re crazy.
Mike D. asks, “If the Tea Party is for smaller government, then why is Ron Paul exiled”?
He’s not. He’s in Congress. He lost big time in the Republican presidential primaries because he was identified as a guy who enriched himself by publishing racist newsletters and then lied about it, has crackpot isolationist views and, in general, is a clown. He was last heard from in Congress working with the crackpot, left-wing Dennis Kucinich to oppose modest sanctions on Iran (http://blogs.wsj.com/corruption-currents/2012/08/02/congress-passes-iran-sanctions-bill/?mod=google_news_blog).
Ron Paul’s candidacy scared a lot of people because his foreign policy would have been very isolationist, including-especially!-toward Israel. He doesn’t seem to recognize the danger from the Islamic Middle East.
Yes! Elle, Yes!
I had to make some comments to your response. My comments are in ( )
Sure, I’ll take a stab:
1. Not to overgeneralize, but many American Jews are well educated urban professionals. A bunch live in Hollywood and New York City.
(this is the only sentence in your first paragraph that is true, period.)
2. Evangelicals scare the crap out of us. (Lets hear your reasoning on this. They don’t scare the crap out of me, whats different about you?)
3. Our grandparents fought tooth and nail against conservative
(You don’t just mean Republicans, do you?)
factory owners for worker’s rights, just as our parents fought against conservative
(you do mean “conservative dems, right? Because they’re the ones who wanted Segregation.)
segregationists for African American’s rights, just as we now fight conservatives
(it’s not just conservatives.)
for gay rights. When it comes to freedom, equality, and workers’ rights, it just seems like Jews and conservatives tend to find themselves at opposite ends of the fire hose.
(Yeah, conservatives don’t like freedom or equality. and Workers are only loved by Jews & libs. That’s a crock of shite.)
4. For obvious reasons, a lot of Jews are immediately turned off by discrimination of any kind, as we have seen how quickly it can turn from mere discrimination to something far, far more evil. When we see Latinos, Arabs, gays, and other minority groups. , our Spidey Sense goes haywire.
(Now You are really starting to sound like a parrot & a jackass for the liberal talking points. Sorry dude, Now you’re just tossing out democrat bull s..t.
conservatives so gleefullyattackingattacking Latinos, Arabs, gays, and other minority groups. PLEASE GIVE EXAMPLES).
Money isn’t everything, and money means nothing if you aren’t free and equal. We’ve seen the future of the Republican Party, and it is the Tea Party. And the Tea Party has no interest in governing or compromising, they only want to rule.
(You sound ridiculous.)
They want the most pro-corporate agenda possible, and they are willing to do, and pay, whatever it takes to get it. They believe that money, not Democracy, should dictate American policy, and they aim to create a new American aristocracy. If you are a wealthy sociopath like Sheldon Adelson, this probably sounds great. If you are a normal human being, Jewish or not, this sounds like a nightmarish dystopia.
(I’m not even going to comment on this last sentence. You sound like a naive 17 year old.)
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“When we see conservatives so gleefully attacking Latinos, Arabs, gays, and other minority groups, our Spidey Sense goes haywire.”
now, you are spouting talking points that have nothing to do with reality. What you do see is conservatives speaking out against illegal immigration (the bulk of which involves Latinos), acknowledging the existence of terrorism as a problem (and the Muslims are the usual perpetrators), and supporting traditional marriage. Everything to you is an “attack” on someone else, never a defense of a principled position.
That alone kills your credibility. But keep voting for those who despise you. It has worked for you thus far.
@Mike D, first post:
Whoa, these are deep waters. Are you out of your depth?
Sure, we are unavoidably overgeneralizing and courting ridicule, but here are a few broad points that sound about right:
• Hollywood, New York City, and lawyers all deserve and get heavy scorn but are rarely used as code words for Jews, and the usage is rarely anti-Semitic. There are a few anti-Semites on this site who will disagree. There are also a few Jews who always act like the three monkeys. There is also the unavoidable truth, to many on the right, that Hollywood, New York City, and lawyers all too often suck in all directions, a nasty mix of hypocrisy and horseshit.
• Evangelicals often scare me too. I believe this is also a stumbling point for many ‘main-line’ Christians. Many Evangelicals are wonderful people by all the definitions civilized folks hold holy (a progressive’s lights flash red there — tough, get over yourself). The by-no-means-universal combination of arrogance and ignorance is what gets to me most (qualities common enough among Jews too, despite loud denial). I get especially antsy around Rapture believers and anyone who speaks in tongues, perhaps a legacy of a heavy-duty classical education built around the Enlightenment guys of the 18th century; also I rarely encounter black and white anything. I know less about it, but there are surely whackadoodle branches of Judaism (Kabbalah often seems to, er, leave the rails). Curiously, I’ve met a number of Scientologists over the years who worried me less than many Jews, Evangelicals and, oops, Mormons. I have no explanation except I simply believe you should treat people as you find them (progressives, hang your heads in shame).
• Workers’ rights/anti-slavery. That topic is just too big to support any generalization I can manage. It’s also richly contaminated by lies and special pleading. But if you actually believe ‘Jews and conservatives tend to find themselves at opposite ends of the fire hose’, then it’s because you’re using the word conservatives as a code word for redneck.
• Discrimination: same point about your use of ‘conservative’. The kind of conservative I’m talking about doesn’t attack anyone gratuitously, much less gleefully — and that especially includes Latinos and homosexuals. Indeed, it’s absurd to list them together; frankly, your statement sounds like a drive-by smear of the kind many will recognize, though you may not have intended it. A pure conservative tolerance should include Arabs and Muslims, if that’s what you meant, but we ain’t saints. Violence and self-preservation surely have their place.
• Tea Party: You lose it here, sorry, you simply don’t know anything about the tea parties. The Tea Party (label itself is wrong) is now in thrall to bloated billionaires, a evil doppelganger of the sainted Soros, or something. Baloney. The defining issue of the age is how to restore our country and undo the left’s destructive messes with a minimum of violence. That’s what the tea parties are all about; they find and will continue to find their way locally, bringing lasting change to the federal gov’t. Both R and D and camp-following ‘elites’ are manifestly unfit for the job. The goal is to live in a better country for the benefit of our children, not to live in the past for ourselves. Central to the effort is restoring personal responsibility to daily life, and defeating utterly the attacks on the family by ‘enlightened elites’. If you find that scary — many do, especially denizens of both major parties — well, get used to it.
Meanwhile, many of us will hold our noses, hard, and vote for Romney as the lesser of two evils. If not you, who? If not now, when?
So you’ll vote for someone who is actively persecuting the Catholic Church? Are you delusional? Don’t you know that if they’re persecuting the Catholic Church today, they’ll be persecuting Jews tomorrow?
Why? Do they giggle under your bed and keep you up at night?
And just for the heck of it, let’s contrast this:
Translation: Look at how tolerant I am; I don’t stereotype any groups.
With
Translation: As long as those groups aren’t groups I hate. Groups I hate are ok to hate.
Thinking it over, I see a common thread. Jews believe the news media and over-analyze until they are out in la-la land.
this “thinking”?
Your posts? No, I don’t see any thought in them, just childish comments.
“we now fight conservatives for gay rights”
Of course the concept of “gay rights” is entirely alien to several thousand years of Jewish law and traditioon. The Orthodox Union, one of the primary mainstream Orthodox Jewish organizations in the U.S., has a short and simple summary of the traditional Jewish point-of-view on these matters: “The position of traditional Judaism on homosexual behavior is clear and unambiguous, terse and absolute. Homosexual behavior between males or between females is absolutely forbidden by Jewish law, beginning with the biblical imperative, alluded to numerous times in the Talmud and codified in the Shulchan Aruch … The position of Judaism on marriage is equally clear. Judaism recognizes marriage as a fundamental human institution, and affirms marriage only between a man and woman (http://advocacy.ou.org/2006/orthodox-response-to-same-sex-marriage)”.
Just because a bunch of Jews who are more focused on contemporary secular values of self-actualization rather than on traditional Jewish values choose to advocate for a certain POV position does not make it a “kosher” POV.
Nowhere in the torah is female homosexuality mentioned. Only male homosexuality was considered a sin. If you are going to speak for us please be accurate. I doubt if you are a talmud scholar even if you so vainly want to quote it.
You had me also until you started to hack the T.E.A. Party…..You are TOTALLY mis-informed…..The Tea party is the small silent Majority that pushes their Babies to the party and listens to a few speakers, and decides to approve or Dis-approve with their checkbook….They, or we are not rich on average, we do know what our nation should stand for and when to draw the line to the likes of obama and Co…..Why don`t you go to one of their rallies, before you slander them with a false slander…..Just wait till we really rev up in October….Jimi
Good to see a string of honesty from Jews about their unease, fear, and hostility with/towards Christianity and Christians.
This is the main driver of Jewish support for the Anti-Christian Secularist (Religion in your Basements and out of the Public Sphere) Left.
The disempowerment of Christians and Christianity, and simultaneous promotion of all “Others” via diversity promotion, multiculturalism, celebrating diversity and “Others” cultures.
Jews love this stuff, because it directly benefits them…at the cultural level….even if it is mostly against their economic interests. It’s the culture stupid. Read What’s the Matter with Kansas by Thomas Frank, where he tries to understand the inverse, hard working lower class white European Christians voting for the Republicans against what he percieves to be their economic interests. It’s the culture stupid. The Left is hostile to Whtie European Christian (Males)….and their gaggle of minority group supporters are too, focussing on one aspect of that identity over others depending on the particular minority identity politics group to focus their hostility upon.
Women = Males, Christianity
African Americans = European, White
Latinos = White Anglos
Gays = Christianity
And so on and so forth.
I think (I know!) there are a lot of “closet” Romney voters out there among the liberal Jewish community.
(I hope) you’re right, Laurie J.
I am a practical man.
When I see a statement such as “…where Jews who opposed him were prevented from entering…” I would like it to be followed by something like “Subsequently, RNC of Florida reached out to Mr. Harvey Goldman of South Beach, FL suggesting he lends his name and likeness to a small advertisement campaign. His face is now on 23 billboards in South Florida which read: Democrats shut me out of a discussion. Harvey Goldman will fight back. He will vote Republican.”
Are you listening, RNC?
I would like to see a Democrat/Republican, liberal/conservative split that more reflects the country as a whole. However, I think any major shift by Jews in this direction will open the floodgates of anti-Semitism and hatred of the Jewish religion (especially its most serious adherents who tend to be more conservative). All of it will be “justified” and “explained” by our reliably left-wing academy, media and culture vultures. Of course many liberal Jews will be shocked at how thin the veneer of anti-American “multiculturalism” was, but most liberal Jews will buy into the new left-wing dispensation on the Jews and Judaism. In my opinion, most left-wing Jews hate Judaism, Israel, and anything else that distinguishes Jews from their favorite “victim” groups. There’s a long tradition of these “non-Jewish Jews” (i.e., self-hating Jews) on the left, and they’re the ones who predominate in the academy, media and the culture.
With less than 2% of the population Jewish, the Jewish vote is rather insignificant (outside of the fact that Jews do vote). Obama has a Jewish money problem, since Jews in the past have provided an estimated 60-80% of Democratic political donations. The Presidency is marketed, much like Viagra, and marketing requires buying media time. Friedman in the NYT just stated that Romney’s trip to Israel was for Sheldon Adelson’s money. Sheldon’s might be the “vote” that counts. Vote rigging only works in close elections (I remember the CEO of Diebold promising Ohio to Bush), and sometimes requires “wet work” cleanup. Buying ads is the name of the game, but there are supplemental tools of the trade. Romney will get the Israel-first Christian fundie vote, as directed from the pulpit. However, will Obama use the Republican ploy against Kennedy, and play the Mormon card? Kerry had a well-financed campaign, but was “Swift-Boated.” Look for a network special on Mormonism this fall.
Ever notice how all the dead remaining on the voter registration lists are all Democrats.
Wrong. Jews are closer to 5% in the mother of all swing states: Florida. That makes the vote matter more than the “average citizen”, even if it doesn’t matter in NY and CA.
Mr. Miller mentions Ohio. Ohio has an interesting twist this time around. Josh Mandel, a young, conservative, former marine, former state treasurer, who is Jewish and endorsed by the Tea Party is running as a Republican for the Senate against the very liberal Sherrod Brown.
Will the local Jewish community support the home town boy then switch parties and vote for Obama? Will Mandel pull the community to Romney? What will the Mandel effect be?
I know I would vote for the White European Christian Leftwing Democrat over Eric Cantor….or that nagger Tim Scott.
[rolls eyes]
Do you really think that Jews will just vote for the Jew? Are Jews that tribal and crass?
I wonder how many Black Americans would vote for Allen West vs say Bill Clinton, simply because he is black.
Right now we are doing the missionary work. Nobody is going to get David Geffen to give a bunch of money to the new Chick-fil-A SuperPAC.
There are 250,000 Israeli immigratns in Los Angeles and they are not going to vote for Obama.
Rev. CL Bryant’s FreePAC Speech!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vKe5MmM9zw&feature=player_embedded
giving Israel preferential access to American arms and munitions…
I could be wrong and I am sorry I did not research this but were these not the very same “favors” Obama threatened to rescind if Israel did not do what he wanted them to? (agree to ethnic cleanse the settlers from Judea and Samaria, 1967 borders etc)
From where I sit (Florida) most of my fellow Jews will never vote GOP. They are mostly grown up hippies steeped in lefty rhetoric, stuck like broken old records.
They are Jewish by culture or birth but have few ties to the actual religion or Israel. They do buy into collectivism, nostalgic for the commune days, they do like the ideas of socialism and do not bother to follow the logical consequences of same. They ignore history. They feel secure in a USA that it will be Never Again and sadly do not see it is is Here Again.
I changed after 9-11 saw what I wished I would never know- and I knew I could never vote Dem again. I have paid in ridicule and accusations for being NOBAMA and still am paying any time I dare speak it…………..
Jews have traditionally suffered from peer pressure in politics more than teenager girls at the school prom but the spell is wearing off. In spite of the rhetoric so frequently heard in the past and parodied by Ari Fleischer (“My mother upon learning I had joined the College Republicans confided to her neighbors that at least he is not a drug addict”).
2012 will be a runing point. See my book The Left is Seldom Right and its two most important chapters on Jewish affairs (10 – The Anachrnoistic American Jewish Affection for the Left) and 21 Israel – From Darling of the Left to Pariah State.
Younger Jews are not buying into their parents foolishness. They don’t remember the glory years of working with MLK but of dealing with the hostility and derrogatory remarks of Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakan. They don’t remember boycotting grapes to help migrant workers, they see BDS movements against Israelis taking passive measures (fence) to protect themselves. I agree we will not see a massive republican shift this election among Jews but the trend is being set. Just as Jews are avoiding ultra leftist (nothing liberal here) campuses, they will avoid the DNC which embraces their college tormentors.
This is not the Democratic party of your parents or grand parents. Arab leaders have said and keep saying on a daily basis that they will force the Jews into the sea. American Jews do you think they will stop there? The Hollywood Jews (the Harvey Weinstein types)are leading you into the sea. We have academics running the show in the White House. Just look and see who Obama gets his middle east advice from. It’s all about appeasement. President Obama is not a leader we need at this point in time.
Obama has made a play for Jewish votes and to bash Romney.
The arms agreement was approved months ago. Obama announced it just as romney was going to Israel.
Obama chose to bypass Israel on all his trips
For some reason the obviousness of “God D**N America!” and “I’ve never been proud of this country” didn’t get through four years ago. Let’s hope it breaks through this time around; if not, Israel is obviously in a great deal of trouble.
Friedman is a Charles Lindbergh type of anti-Semite. Lindbergh acknowledged that Hitler was mistreating the Jews, but said that for Jews to call for any action against Germany was unAmerican. Friedman is trying to distance American Jews from supporting Israel by creating the same climate of anti-Semitism that Lindbergh did, using old anti-Semitic stereotypes about Jews and money. As it turned out, Linberghs nazis eventually declared war on the US, and Friedmans mullahs have already murdered hundreds of US servicemen in Iraq/Afghanistan with IEDs and EFPs
At least Lindbergh later made up at least partially for his errors by going to the South pacific and shooting down some Japanese fighters- all without credit or publicity.
What the hell did Lindburgh ever make up for? He led a crowd in anti-semitic chants. What did fighting the Japanese have to do with his anti-semitism? Hitler was also a military hero.
(I remember the CEO of Diebold promising Ohio to Bush),
Good grief! I didn’t think anyone with an IQ above 90 would believe that crap! I know Liberals will believe almost anything, but that takes the chocolate frosted cake!
I sat across a table recently from a Democrat activist who is retired. One of the first things she said to me was, “Scott Walker is going to take my pension away.” What can you say to people who are so ideologically driven they believe this garbage? I, of course, almost screamed “NOT true!”
She still believes what she said is true.
From JTA…
Allegations against Clinton aide Abedin stir Jewish concerns about attacks on ‘outsiders’
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/07/31/3102356/attacks-on-abedin-stir-jewish-concern-about-attacks-on-outsiders
Some of the toughest condemnations of Bachmann have come from major Jewish groups.
The allegations, and the apparent split among some in the Republican leadership over whether to denounce them, underscore a return in recent years to scapegoating “outsiders,” according to the Jewish leaders who slammed Bachmann for launching what they called a “witch hunt.”
“It’s likes someone who says there’s a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world,” Rabbi David Saperstein, the director of the Reform movement’s Religious Action Center, said in a JTA interview. “And then they say prove it’s not true. What proof can you bring to ideologues who want to believe it’s true?”
Saperstein’s July 17 statement was the first among Jewish leaders to deplore Bachmann’s call — and one of the toughest.
“I am deeply troubled by the allegations made by Rep. Michelle Bachmann and other Members of Congress in letters to the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, Defense and State asserting that respected government officials and religious organizations are connected to the Muslim Brotherhood,” he wrote. “The letters assert that Huma Abedin, Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary Clinton, the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), and ISNA President Imam Mohammed Magid are all connected to the Muslim Brotherhood, posing a potential security risk to the United States.
Not surprising. These same people are fighting a war of total destruction agaisnt the religious right in Israel. And the JTA was never any prize either.
“terrorism existed long before the first settlement”
Palestinian Arab terrorism existed way before the State of Israel. In fact, it’s probably the main reason Israel exists.
I pray every day for Israel and the Jews; God commands us to do so and I always admired the Jewish tradition of standing together. I have been disappointed lately to learn how many Jews abort their babies, and how many are willing to vote in politicians who would destroy Israel if they could. Where is the solidarity for the survival of Israel and the welfare of every Jew? If Israel could be wiped out, the next step will be to destroy Jews one by one. History tells us it is so. God will not allow it. He will be the judge; not liberal Democrats.
Published on Aug 7, 2012 by Ben Swann Reality Check takes a look at the Republican National Committee’s attempt to keep liberty delegates who support Ron Paul from being seated at the RNC unless they vote for Mitt Romney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzuSDqam5T4&feature=plcp
The rabbi of my congregation worships Obama and kvells ardently over His every utterance.
In fact he almost swooned at the bima when telling of Obama’s likening Trayvon Martin to the son He never had.
You need a new Rabbi and should start to work to replace this one. In my city, we have Rabbis of all types that range from good to bad, from honest to corrupt. Smecha doesn’t make a person into a Saint. Getting rid of a bad Rabbi should be a matter of routine. Rabbis need to be rated and those who fail need to be shown the road.
it isn’t just the rabbi, of course.
Let me make a prediction. I’ve done this before and though my numbers weren’t correct, my prediction did tell of a trend. THE JEWS OF AMERICA WILL HAVE A 50/50 SPLIT THIS ELECTION. The pendulum is definitely swinging which I predicted 3 years ago. A 50/50 split will be mind boggling and will make a difference in this election. I still see many American Jews on Obama’s side. They remind me of the Jews who were so happy to get on the trains heading east, just like the Nazis wanted. After all nobody could believe the truth, it was too way out. Obama is already ruling by decree. Congress and the courts have no meaning to him. Unfettered by being reelected, he will be impossible to stop. He will totally implement his vision and it will be the end of democracy in this country. I have to say again, I love this country. It has given me everything and it pains me to see it be fundamentally destroyed. Let me also say that if Obama is reelected, it will be by the ghost votes, illegal votes and other fraudulent votes. Just look at how Putin and Chavez were reelected in their respected countries. It will be no different here. The liberal “left” has already done this in State elections (see Reid in Nevada as an example).
can’t be counted on to make a difference in this coming election, but who knows, maybe they will.
C’mon Abraham. How about we just cut the middleman next time?
What was perhaps even more telling than the heckling at this Jewish Americans for Obama event which featured people at the podium with few if any degrees of separation from those in the audience were the number of people sitting on their hands during applause lines.
So, the Jewish community has buyers’ remorse. So you suppose the election, i.e. vote count, shall be close. What difference does a vote count in American presidential elections since the election of 1960 in Cook County, Chicago? If the election process didn’t actually change, it at least became public knowledge for those interested.
Your conclusions depend on the belief, a strange belief given the clear evidence to the contrary, that voting for the powers and gifts of president of the USA is done honestly, lawfully and by eligible voters only.
Move a Chicagoan to San Diego and soon he’ll forget the wind, sleet and snow and start complaining when the temperature drops below 60 degrees.
Relations between Israel and the United States are warmer under President Obama than under previous administrations, yet we hear that the President has a “Jewish problem.” The problem is not Obama, but us: In only three years, we’ve lost historic perspective. We’re criticizing Obama for what would have gone unnoticed in other administrations.
Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger threatened to “reassess” America ‘s relationship with Israel . Obama has declared that America ‘s bond with Israel is “unbreakable,” and Israeli Defense Minister, Ehud Barak credited Obama for the strongest relationship between the two countries ever.
Ronald Reagan suspended arms shipments to Israel and supported a UN resolution criticizing Israel for bombing Iraq ‘s nuclear reactor. Obama secretly sold Israel the bunker busting bombs it requested during the Bush administration and cast the only UN veto of his administration against the one-sided anti-Israel UN Security Council resolution on settlements.
George W. Bush pressured Israel to allow Hamas to participate in Gaza elections and made little progress in stopping Iran ‘s march toward nuclear weapons. Obama has not negotiated with Hamas. He has mobilized the international community to impose the toughest sanctions ever against Iran and flat-out declared that that he will not allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons, saying no options are off the table.
Obama’s pro-Israel accomplishments compare favorably with any Republican president. Yet we keep complaining.
We say he hasn’t visited Israel as president, forgetting that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are the only two presidents who visited Israel during their first terms in office. George W. Bush did not visit Israel until his seventh year as president. Ronald Reagan never visited in his entire life. Obama went to Israel as recently as 2006 and 2008.
We complain that the Obama administration criticizes Israel ‘s settlement policy, forgetting that every administration since 1967 has criticized Israel ‘s settlement policy. But unlike George H.W. Bush, Obama never threatened to withhold U.S. aid to Israel because of settlement activity; instead, Obama has taken U.S. financial assistance to Israel to record levels.
We complain about imagined slights to Prime Minister Netanyahu, forgetting that when the chips were down, Obama came through for Israel and Netanyahu. When Israel asked for help fighting the Carmel forest fires, President Obama’s response was “get Israel whatever it needs. Now.” (Remember the ‘slight’ was media misreporting what was business as usual when there is a last minute, not planned in advance, visit!)
In September 2011, when the late-night call came from Israel to Obama asking for help in rescuing the Israelis trapped in the Egyptian embassy, Netanyahu himself called it a “decisive and fateful moment,” recalling that Obama “said ‘I will do everything I can.’ And he did.”
The list goes on and on. Obama opposed the Goldstone Report, stood with Israel against the Gaza flotilla, boycotted Durban II and Durban III, and successfully derailed Palestinian attempts to unilaterally declare statehood at the UN. He’s done more than any president to thwart Iran ‘s nuclear ambitions.
Yet despite the facts, despite the historic perspective, it’s almost as if some of us want Obama to be anti-Israel because that would validate our worst fears. Attacking Obama on Israel is like attacking John Kerry on his personal military record. The Swift Boat campaign worked because Kerry and his supporters were too slow to take it seriously and fight fiction with facts. The result was four more years of George W. Bush.
Maybe it’s our nature to complain. But President Obama’s words and deeds prove that he is not only a strong friend of Israel, but that he is willing to stand up for Israel publicly and behind the scenes. That’s what matters, and that’s why most Jews will again vote for Obama in 2012.
Absolutely!
And this president is biggest supporter of the Catholic Church in the history of this country!! Catholics love him more THAN THEY DID KENNEDY EVEN!! Look it up. Really. I think it’s on the Huffington Post.
And Evangelicals! Evangelicals are going to vote for Obama in mass despite what you may be hearing from the the lying conservative media. Why? Because he’s the biggest supporter they ever had!!! You may be surprised to know that but why would I say such a crazy thing if it wasn’t true?
And Republicans!! You really think Republicans are going to vote for Mitt Romney after all Obama has done for them?
Thankfully we have Abraham Miller to correct the continuing stupidity from liberals like Thomas Friedman and Wasserman-Shultz. Plus, Miller gives me hope that the 20th Century liberal insanity within the Jewish Community is finally being corrected by the Republican Jews.
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Thanks to Abraham Miller and the Republican Jews, the 20th Century liberal insanity within the Jewish Community is vanishing.