ObamaCare’s Muslim Exemption
In a curious way the privilege granted Muslims and denied to most others translates into what Muslims call “dhimmitude,” or the taxing of non-Muslims in exchange for the acceptance of their presence. Intentionally or not, ObamaCare allows for the establishment of this practice and Sharia dictates in the United States. Conversely, if a Christian refuses to pay for required health care insurance, liens can be placed against assets and hard prison time could accompany noncompliance. Non-Muslims are, in effect, paying a tax to subsidize Muslims.
This is precisely the issue ObamaCare has insinuated into the national health care debate. Whether one accepts the proposition, cross-subsidization is built into the law: the young are coerced into underwriting the elderly and non-Muslims are being coerced into subsidizing Muslims. Taking from Peter to give to Paul usually pleases Paul. But the question of fairness remains, as does the “equal protection” clause in the Constitution. Ultimately the public will ask why some should be favored to the exclusion of others.
It is certainly odd that the U.S. circa 2012 has become Animal Farm, with privilege granted to some and not others. Equal protection is now simply one of those clichés honored more in the breach than in practice. There may be many reasons for opposing ObamaCare, but none is more important than the illogic of differential treatment.
In the 1960s, civil rights legislation attempted to redress the wrongs of the past by arguing race should neither be a preference nor a handicap. As I see it, this is not only a fair standard, but a distinctly American standard. By offering privilege to some and denying it to others, contemporary legislators have embraced the Orwellian perversion that is fundamentally incompatible with our traditions, notwithstanding moments when aberrational behavior was in the ascendancy.
By arguing the Muslim view that insurance is haraam, legislators open themselves to the thin edge of the wedge. What is likely to be next? Are there other concerns Muslims consider inappropriate because of the demands of Sharia? At what point does this form of “soft extortion” end? The answers are not apparent; neither is there justification for an Animal Farm scenario that defies equal treatment before the law.
Of course the lefties who imposed Obamacare on us are going to defer to Islam. Islam is so inimical to the Constitution that lefties and Muslims are practically soul mates in that regard. Islam should be outlawed because it contravenes the Constitution in letter and spirit.
Obama claims to be Christian, Pelosi claims to be a devout Catholic. They are devout leftists. Of course they defer to Islam.
double standard to compel those who have a religious conviction against abortion to subsidize the practice.
So, Elizabeth Warren is exempted from Obamacare!
Only if she can confirm her ancestors rounded up Muslims in the Crusades.
Only 1/32 of it
Well, if they are exempt from paying for the law they should be exempt from benefiting from the law, i.e., no free health care for them. Yeah, right, that idea will be accepted by Congress!
It never ceases to amaze me how lawyers bend the law to suit their purposes. Clear intent? Of no importance whatsoever!!
Exactly. In effect, they will be self-insured.
The whole Obamacare ‘system’ is absolutely doomed to fail. For example, the way I read it, my health care which costs about $15k per year could be replaced by paying a small fine and I would still get the same care. There won’t be enough people paying their fair share to support the freeloaders.
What you fail to understand is they ALREADY pay for their own health care. They do not now, or ever have had, health insurance. They pay the bill in full.
I would also like to know how they are considered “free loaders”. Another issue you fail to understand is they receive NO money from the government. That means no welfare, no social security, SSI etc.
So what do they freeload?
As a Native, if I work in the general population, FICA, medicare, medicaid, state taxes and other taxes, are removed from my paycheck. Difference is, I CAN NOT and do not file taxes to retrieve my funds as you do nor am I allowed to receive Social Security, medicare/medicaid when I “retire”. If you consider this freeloading, you have some warped views.
Enjoy at least a beer on my money. I know I’ll never see it again.
You evidently didn’t hear a few years back Muslims albany new york, found guilty of money laundering & sending that money over seas. They owned a pizza parlor, best part, they were collecting WELFARE! !!!!! U can easily verify this
Wrong…they DO get Government money in the form of tax exemptions, tax breaks, however you want to put it. In my town there are several small gas stations, former 7/11′s, Quik Shops…that are owned by Pakistani, Arabs, folks from the East. Once the ONE that has ownership of the shop is about to have their tax status expire, they sell to another family member and, the tax exemptions continue. These people have VERY LARGE families and some have been in business for 10 years or more!
Kathleen Sebelius: Let him have it. It’s not wise to upset a Wookiee.
Cardinal Dolan: But sir, nobody worries about upsetting a droid.
Sebelius: That’s ’cause droids don’t pull people’s arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookiees are known to do that.
“haraam” bam thank you mam … So there ARE Muslim MB advisers in the WH after all; who woulda thunk it?
So, we now have a law that enshrines a certain state religion. If the Supreme Court doesn’t find sufficient cause to strike down the Healthcare act based upon what the states have already brought forward, why this ought to tip the balance.
I think we’d be best served if the religion is not mentioned and instead we are all made to be members of the church of the flying spaghetti monster.
If Obama is not a closet Muslim, he might as well be. How many people know that he is 43.75% Arab, 6.25% Negro, 50% Caucasian and 100% Red Diaper Baby.
How true and that 43.75% ARAB and 6.25% Blackness came from his Alcoholic ‘Undesirable Alien’, Absentee, Bigamous, Kenyan Citizen, Father. Obama is related to Arab SLAVE TRADERS and privileged Rich WHITES . He has absolutely nothing whatsoever in common with the average African American Blacks apart from the genetic accident of the colour of his skin. Born to a MUSLIM father adopted by a MUSLIM Stepfather ALL members of BOTH his Paternal families are and always have been MUSLIMS. In addition to this he was raised and schooled in his FORMATIVE YEARS as a DEVOUT Mosque going MUSLIM. Nuff said!!!!!!!
Obama’s father is LUO, a river-lake nilote that is no way arab. Luo is as negro, as his mother is caucasian. Im African so ill tell you that his heritage is not connected with the ancient arab slave traders in any way. When Charles George Gordon was the governor of sudan in the late 19th century the nilote’s of sudan were being traded as slaves and he burnt all the shackles in an effort to end slavery. You have no clue about about of African history
It’s disgusting that we’re watching the world go up in flames due to this hybrid Monster that could only be called “Communislam”, the world’s power-brokers driving Socialists/Marxists/Maoists and Muslims into riot conditions as fast as possible so that they (the power-brokers) can shut the door behind them and sip champagne as the rest of us suffer beneath the heel of whatever form of Shari’distribution’ah Feudalism emerges from the evil petri dish of Communislam.
Kitsune, I believe you have nailed it. It’s not enough for some to be wealthy and powerful; they will not be content until they monopolize all wealth and all power, forever or until the end of the world, whichever comes first.
This puts many in mind of The Hunger Games, but the story most apropos is The Fisherman and His Wife…
Herbert:
In paragraph five you wrote that Baucus indicated that Obamacare is about wealth redistribution. I certainly find that belivable. Would provide a citation, though? I want to bring this up to a leftist friend.
Thank you
GIYF (Google Is Your Friend)! Put the following words in the Google search box at http://google.com: Baucus wealth redistribution
Bingo! You’ve just answered your own question.
Along the same line,are Muslims exempted from purchasing auto insurance?
No. Although many states have some pretty interesting sophistries regarding this issue; Driving is a privilege, not a right.
That said, how many taxicabs do you see near mosques on a Friday these days? Hmmmm.
This is not true. Many Christian pastors use the “religious conscience” issue to abstain from Social Security being taken out of their pay. I did it as a pastor. The main point of contention will come when one looks at their history though. If a person receives welfare, social security, unemployment and various other government benefits, then it will be much more difficult to prove you have such a “religious conscience” against government providing for you, even though in essence you are the one paying for it. I’m just noting that this applies across the board and not just to Muslims and the like. I suggest we Christians begin taking care of our own as we are commanded to do so in the Scriptures. This is not only biblical, but will keep us out of things like this.
“If a person receives welfare, social security, unemployment and various other government benefits, then it will be much more difficult to prove you have such a “religious conscience” against government providing for you, even though in essence you are the one paying for it. ”
Tim, only if they stop stealing our tax money. Otherwise, I’m taking as much back as possible.
Well, if Muslims don’t want to buy insurance because they view that insurance as haraam, what happens when they get sick and end up in the hospital? Who pays for it then? Would they have the cash on hand to pay the doctor’s and hospital bills? I doubt it. So you know who will get stuck with the bills? The taxpayers, of course. Just another way to take even more money away from Americans. Washington had better get used to the idea that it’s not their money, it’s OUR money, and we will have our say in November. Just ask Dick Lugar how it feels when a politician doesn’t listen to the voters anymore.
you are correct. this is islam taking over.
Would this not be, in effect, “a tax on infidels” ?
Whose country is this? America is on the verge of imploding.We are going back centuries Only God can help us.
Islam is taking over because Islam deserves to take over.
They’re willing to extort, enslave, and murder. They’re willing to do anything to win, and we aren’t.
If you’re not willing to fight dirt with dirt, If you can’t answer the bell when your opponent escalates, you deserve to lose.
Great point…
And there is the universal paradox of a Righteous Man…
When it “right” to do “anything” in order to “win”?
Christianity produces a Mother Theresa, who extols peaceful kindliness and self sacrifice to ease the suffering of others.
Islam produces a brute, who crushes her skull, thus claiming proof of HIS gods “superiority”.
Where does the proud and honorable virtue of forgiveness, and the un cowardly willingness to be MAN enough to turn the other cheek, become a ridiculous liability?
In other words, when (dear god when!) will full-on thermonuclear retaliation against Mecca and every other Arab Capital simultaneously, be an appropriate measure?
(9/12 if you ask me, but I’m not a Qualified Theologian)
There’s a fine line between virtue and stupidity.
Is it virtuous to sacrifice your own life in order to “ease the (self-inflicted) suffering” of the miserable, angry jihadis?
Because let’s face it, even letting the Islamists kill us all off won’t make them happy. The Arab Muslims will kill off the Black Muslims and the Uighurs, and then the Arab Sunni and Shia sects will start killing each other, and then the Salafis and the Wahhabis will kill them both before turning their scimitars on each other.
It’s not virtuous to sacrifice (by not fighting back) for their sake. It’s just stupid.
There are many fine points ‘organized religon’ subjected to discussion over the years. For example the ‘how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?’.
Now, the good Christian knows to turn the other cheek after being smitten. The theologians never get past this point, but logicians make perfect sense when they say the next step is ‘Destroy the S O Bs.
Dont forget, Islam is based upon lies, and encourages lying to further its aims.
They dont give a rip about whether “insurance” is “holy” or not. Its just a way to sneak out of participating in something that might cost them money, when they will (ultimately) burden the system with costs.
When you have no honesty ingrained in you, its easy to do.
Lie. Pay nothing in. Take benifits out.
Whats to stop them, their (non existant) concience?
This is what their entire civilization is about….
scam-n-sham, wrapped in a tuban.
But they’ll cut your head off if they think you’ve seen behind The Curtain
They can form mutuals, but profiting off of insurance is forbidden, as is purchasing a for-profit policy. They can also seek charity from extended family or friends.
“In the 1960s, civil rights legislation attempted to redress the wrongs of the past by arguing race should neither be a preference nor a handicap. As I see it, this is not only a fair standard, but a distinctly American standard.”
It may be an American standard, but it’s not one that has been put into practice. Attempts to redress wrongs of the past DEMANDED racial preference and racial discrimination as their very essence. Has anyone ever heard of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION???
would this not be,in effect, “a tax on infidels”? whose country is this?
Is anyone trying to say that Muslim countries do not have insurance companies? Search for
saudi arabia insurance
If it was kharumm, why would Saudia, one of the strictest nations, have insurance companies?
Because in S.A. they, like us, want their assets protected from disaster. This is less about insurance being haaram and more about imposing sharia on us infidels in America. The dhimmis paying the jizya to the muslims in accordance with the koran.
Obama can say he is a Christian rather than a muslim, but he was schooled in islam as a child. islam is his foundation. So at minimum, he’s a muslim sympathizer. I personally believe he is whatever religion he needs to be to fit the situation of the moment. And I believe he would be Jewish, Hindu, Scientologist or even Amish, if he thought it would help him achieve his goals.
Obama is a power-addicted totalitarian.
And to that end, he admires The Shari’ah because it is a system of total life control-through-fear with strict permanent physical punishments for violations.
I don’t think he has any particular affection for Allah or Mohammed or the Khilafah or The Hadiths, but I do believe he’s in love with the kind of power that the man who sits atop the Shari’ah food chain wields.
Obama himself declared he was a Muslim.
A Muslim’s allegiance is NOT to a country. It is to global Islam and the goal of Muslim conquest of ALL nations, as commanded in the Koran.
Obama: “My Muslim Faith”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XKGdkqfBICw
The biggest SCAM Muslims play is the ‘We dont pay INTEREST’ game. Shariah Compliant finance does not use the word INTEREST what they do is make a HANDLING CHARGE on any loan but, wonder of wonders and strange to say, the ‘Handling Charge’works out to be the SAME or even HIGHER cost than you would pay if you took out a loan with interest. But as they dont use the word INTEREST, they can fool themselves and of course gullible, naive, moronic left wing MOONBATS too, that they dont charge interest. PATHETIC and typical of Islamic HYPOCRISY and moonbat STUPIDITY.
This is the implementation of Islamic Sharia Law, where there is one Law for Muslims and another law for intensely HATED non-Muslims.
Because they worship the god Muslims call Allah, Muslims are given special rights and privileges not given to other people.
Separation of church (mosque) and state has been completely removed. The nation state of America and Islam act as one.
Shhh, don’t tell the Institute of Islamic Banking and Insurance that muslims don’t believe in insurance.
http://www.islamic-banking.com/
Exactly my point…
They will do or say whatever, depending on their needs of the moment….
Insurance to protect their own intetests? Sure, nothing forbidden.
Get something for free from Infidels, when all I have to do is is lie?
Sure, now its Forbidden. Always has been.
Think you caught me in a lie?
Why, Muslims never lie…Its an Infidel lie that our lies are lied about with lies.
If Muslims are exempt from purchasing insurance, does that include car insurance? Because here they have a clear choice that allows them not to be forced to purchase car insurance: Don’t drive.
Well, they’re halfway there anyway. Their women don’t. But if the men stop driving, how will anyone in NY find a cab?
My Amish neighbors read the same Bible I read. Am I exempt on religious grounds?
F*CK ISLAM.
I’m so effing tired of this crap.
Got to HELL. The lot of you.
Done and DONE.
Delia,
Dont be so reticent, just say whats on your mind girl.
Beating around the bush with such restrained vagaries about your feelings on Islam is NOT helpful.
This touchy-feely middle of the road crap you’re peddling gets us nowhere.
Man-up and take a stand will ya!?
(snark off)
LOL! I woke up moody, The Root. It’s my birthday today.
Forgive?
Am I doubly exempt if I am a 1/64th American Indian Catholic?
Hey, in that case, ALLAHU AKBAR. Now let me get back to my mimosa and ironing my dress for church on Sunday. Well, the law doesn’t say I have to be a good Muslim, does it?
You have to give the obamatarians credit. They were able to hide this little gem and expect this to become a Moslemphobia issue that they will exploit now that this is discovered.
The truth is this is a waiver for another group that supports him. If they were not believed to be firmly notched in the Obama corner I doubt this would be in there.
I hope people are smart enough to realize that the waivers are the issue politically and the constitutional issues are the fallout from extremely bad corrupt Chicago machine legislation.
By the way doesn’t it make sense now the phrase that we will have to pass it to learn what is in it. Once this was in place we would be in a religious firestorm once we tried to change what was an already in place benefit rather than having an election year discussion about government overreach (which is the last thing Democrats want to talk about).
SCARY……
Is this REALLY our AMERICA??????
Know the TRUTH about the Government Health Care Bill H.R.3200 – Key Points
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8
Well, here’s a sad parallel. Martin Luther busted the corrupt Catholic church for its favors to prominent sinners through ‘indulgences’, for which they paid cash. Resulting in a stampede by disgusted ex-Catholics to form the Protestant church.
So when do we bust the Obama admin for its ‘exemptions’ from the requirements of Obamacare – paid for by the expected votes of the exempted? Time for a stampede by disgusted citizens to cut the legs out from under, and retire (if not indict) the corrupt Obama administration.
I seem to remember that during one of the Tea Party rallies in Washinton, DC there were signs that said “We didn’t bring our guns – this time”.
An inferior health care plan that NO ONE wants and CANNOT afford to pay. The threat to jail and/or fine those who don’t purchase the government enforced plan.
Massive spending as if there is no tomorrow. Fighting wars we have no money for. Massive borrowing.
The Massive giving away of Billions of dollars every year to other countries, including the OIL-WEALTHY Middle East, Hamas-controlled Gaza and the Palestinian Authority organization who fill their war chests, build mansions and laugh all the way to the bank with FREE infidel money. Whilst in America, homeless shelters are filled to capacity; tent cities have sprung up all over the U.S. filled with desperate, jobless, homeless Americans.
Massive debt. The massive printing of paper money out of thin air to DELIBERATELY create out-of-control inflation. There is no question that the total DESTRUCTION of America’s economy is planned. The results will be horrifying. In the once wealthy and great nation of America, millions of Americans will become destitute, hungry and homeless with no money or resources to help them.
We have something similar here in the UK- Its to do with buying a house or property-
Here when you purchase you have to pay a tax called “Stamp Duty”-
As Moslems are not allowed to take a mortgage and pay interest then they are allowed to buy it through a bank who sells it to them at a profit- thats OK-
However due to the higher price- you have guessed it- A Muslim is exempt from the Stamp Duty tax-
Not another soul is so privileged.
Islam and Muslims are regarded as superior to all other human beings, by Western leaders who insist on giving Muslims special rights and privileges not given to non-Muslims. Because Muslims worship the god Muslims call Allah, Muslims are also ALLOWED to break laws!
Polygamy is against the law in Britain, but Muslims are ALLOWED to break the law. Britain is Muslim paradise for Muslims. Britain gives Muslim males free housing and free money for their harems of multiple wives and very large families of children.
One hard-working Brit, in a comment on the Daily Mail, complained bitterly that they would like to have more children, but they could not do so because they were paying to support other people’s children through their high taxes. What an injustice! Islamic sharia law in Britain. One law for Muslims and another law for intensely HATED non-Muslims.
Vote for Britain’s new British Freedom Party (which is like Geert Wilders Freedom Party). British Freedom have just united together with the patriotic EDL. http://britishfreedom.org/
If it makes sense that, any people, the men of whom have abandoned their G0D and their girls, will abandon their firearms, the Brits are well deserving of whatever kicks in the teeth, rump, homes, and economic future they may receive–was it Charles, Prince of Wales, who was so stupid as to take his bride’s honeymoon on a god-d battleship, then in marriage, he essentially abandoned her, and she ends up dating a Moslem?
As appears to my eye, the Brits are most deserving of a double, boil and trouble, and, double the double unto them–and, yeah, it’s gonna hurt, . . . a lot, . . . so what?
But, similarly, here in the USA, as easily; for, the real problem is not nearly so much ObamaCare’s Muslim Exemption, as that, this nation is saddled with a population, so polluted that, to them, a vote on: “What is marriage?”, seems to make sense, . . . AND, then too, there is Tracy Lawrence, who appears to have committed suicide by turning state’s evidence on her part in the national fraud, . . . AND, on YT, there’s George Soros who plainly announces: “Well, I know exactly what the dollar is going to do but I’m not at liberty just now to say.”, and the same corrupted USA citizens speculate about what the dollar is going to do, and which way the pm’s are going to move; so, . . .
Right as usual, Linda! And here’s their OWN reasons WHY they “must have” multiple wives:
islam’s “morality:” US AGAINST THEM, MIGHT-MAKES-RIGHT, AND BLAME THOSE VICTIMS:
When islame was originally created, it was modeled on the Jews monotheism (whosetwelve tribes are never at war with each other) because the pagan Arab tribes were always at war with each other; their so-called culture always was and still is only based on might-makes-right and us-against-them. Muhammad simply codified that nonsense for all time, said god still wanted them to commit those crimes, “but only” against a common enemy: against anyone and everyone who refused to join Muhammad’s new islamic war and plunder cult. And of course Muhammad really only set this up to enrich himself, so he’d have an excuse to commit every crime known to man, enthusiastically and often. Needless to say, when not united in common hatred of non-moslems, all moslem Arabs (and moslems in general) still gleefully indulge in waging war on each other.
HONOUR KILLINGS EXPLAINED:
According to the books of such embedded cultural anthropologists as Rapheal Patai’s “The Arab Mind” and Carl Salzman’s “Culture and Conflict in the Middle East, Arab “culture” (which is codified in the Qur’an) glorifies the tribe over the individual, so each tribe engages in us-versus-them, might-makes-right wars all the time.
The best way to keep your tribal numbers up is to have each man marry four or more wives, which guarantees he will breed four (hopefully male warrior) children each year, while also depriving his enemy’s tribes of those same women and warrior-breeding ability.
This is also why they marry their own cousins all the time (so the enemy tribes can’t steal their women and potential warrior-children, thus weakening their own tribes) and it’s also why they have “honour” killings (because if they can’t control even their ‘weakest’ members, then they will invite attack from other tribes AND they’ll lost those women’s warrior kids to their enemies, too!
So if they don’t kill their own women, then those women’ s actions will eventually get them all killed!
Libtards in the West refuse to see this easy truth, and pretend it’s the moslems’ “cultural rights” to out-breed and conquer everyone.
PS: Not surprisingly, the only non-Arab or non-moslem, so-called “Christian” countries which also have honour-killings, are all colonies which derive their cultures from Spain – because Spain was violently conquered and enslaved by islam for 780 (for almost 1,000) years, that’s why!
;-(
Can we not see a 2nd Civil War brewing here? And Congress and the current Administration are forcing it on us.
Centuries ago, Egypt was a Christian country. This is just one example of the consequences of Muslims conquering a country and why our countries will be utterly destroyed and turned into a living hell once Muslims become a majority. Western leaders are DELIBERATELY colonizing our countries with many millions of Muslims.
Read the article!
Egyptian judge frees attackers who knifed Christian
Hard-line Salafi Muslims cut off Copt’s ear, terrorize his family.
http://au.christiantoday.com/article/egyptian-judge-frees-attackers-who-knifed-christian/13290.htm
I see a lot of assertions here but no links.
“Muslims may claim a religious exemption that is denied Christians and Jews”? “Muslims MAY”? What if they don’t?
You say it’s denied Christians and then immediately followup up with:
“Others who fall into this category are the Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists” those Christian Scientists are not Christians?
Later on you say “Muslims are given exemptions from law everyone else must follow.” huh? I thought you just said, Amish, American Indians, Christian Scientists are exempt too? Are they not included in “everyone else”? Which one is it? Please make up your damn mind.
This is exactly the same as a hoax email that went around back in 2010.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp
Get real, people.
Christian Scientists are not Christians in the sense of believing in the Apostle’s Creed. They are Gnostics.
So, as I see it, if we ALL convert to Musilms, we are ALL exempt? OK, THEN who pays for it? Hmmm. Even the atheist’s, huh? Somehow, I don’t think this is going to work. Maybe the best choice would be to simply remove ALL references to religion from the bill. Remove ALL exemptions. Everyone participates and everyone pays. Wow! What a novel concept. Hey, here’s an even BETTER suggestion: Repeal the whole damned thing and lets start all over again, using some common sense and logic, this time. Muslims should just keep their religions to themselves and their sharia law, as well. This is America, NOT Saudi Arabia! We have our own laws, thank you very much, and they apply to EVERYONE, Muslims included. If anyone disagrees with that, they are perfectly free to return to wherever they came from. We are an equal non-discrimination nation. You don’t like us? Fine, go home.
If this is the case, I would like to know how a Muslim can finance a car or a house. No lender will front for any such loan if the client is unwilling to insure that for which the money is being loaned.
Before you accept this article and comments as fact please check out the following and then tell me where the word Muslim is found.
IRS 1412 (g)(1) & Affordable Care Section 1311 (d)(4)(h) Also a good article can be found in Snopes about this for anyone truly interested in the facts.
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As Norman Podhoretz said in his book about Islamofascism, we are in the midst of a world war. Better to reckon this fact or the battle lost. The unholy alliance between the Left and Islam – concretized in Political Correctness – do what it can obscure what is in play: downgrading Western culture so that communislam be the leading force.
The Left does not know what the outcome will be – they just follow suit. The Islamists are against the despised West so are the lefties, they are the happy nutcases. We on the other side have to stand against this trend and oppose all small “rightful demands” from the Muslims such as freewheeling on ObamaCare and the like.
Bend over, Christians; free healthcare for Muslims!
Boy I did not know Insurance Is “Haraam” in Islam? Thank you I am calling my insurance company and cancelling all the coverages I have. Much appreciated.
Here is another idiot who likes to define Islam for us Muslims. The idiot does not realize the language potentially can apply to all sects among which some loony could rise and give the oppinion that Insurance is forbiden.
Obamacare is what happens when things like the commerce clause are allowed to be distorted. Like the right uses it to ban marijuana despite it should be a state issue and despite the Constitution having been amended (twice!) to ban alcohol.
You can’t have it both ways. Stop giving “conservatives” a free pass on distorting the Constitution just because that distortion is something you agree with.
Obama and Romney both say the U.S. needs NDAA indefinite detention but that they would never use it. Yeah, great, so the even-bigger clown that comes after them will use it. Awesome. Thanks.
The Clinton Plan used a payroll tax to finance the plan. Which was perfectly Constitutional. Obama’s mistake was the mandate. Why did Obama copy the Romney Plan when he could have copied the Clinton Plan? The only reason I can see is because Obamacare doesn’t regulate what doctors, hospitals, drug companies can charge. Note that the rest of the developed world uses health care plans that do exactly that. Obamacare was set up to avoid conflicts with the health care industry. The only limitation the private health insurance industry has is that they must pay out 80% of the premiums they take in in the form of benefits. Yes, they have to take pre-existing conditions, but anyone reading this can be assured they will keep premiums high enough to cover it. Interestingly enough, we could knock a few hundred billion off our health care costs by simply repealing prescription laws and getting the government out of regulating health care. Probably more, but of course the professionals would cry and wail and tear their hair if their patients were able to buy medicine directly instead of first having to “buy” a doctor’s “permission” to do so…
We Catholics don’t merely consider contraception forbidden; we consider it sacrilege. If Muslims can get exemptions because they don’t believe in insurance, we have a right to get an exemption because we consider Obamacare to be an abomination that desecrates the Sacrament of Matrimony.
Are these muslims that are not mandated to buy insurance, still given the protection of the no-preconditions law, so they can go against their religion if they then get sick and buy insurance anyway. If so, that would be a complete pander.
Affirmative Action and race quotas are unequal protection too. In fact, that horse left the barn decades ago. We now have a favored “race”. Why not a favored “religion”? What’s the difference?? NONE.
Although the U.S. Constitution grants all Americans equal protection of the law, some Americans are more equal than others.
You’d think that the Constitution’s provision of equality in law would protect us from Moslems, but it doesn’t. And this we can’t blame on the Moslems. The enumerated powers were trampled long before we began importing Moslems and signing them up for multiple gubmint checks per Islamic household.
The law of the land, manifested in the several pages of the Constitution, is an exquisite system designed to guarantee freedom. They missed one thing though: even the U.S. Constitution is easily overthrown if its subjects simply decline to enforce the law, as has happened with illegal immigration. The requirement to declare war has been declined, too. There are many other instances where freedom is subverted simply by members of Congress collectively declining to assert its primary power, impeachment, when members of the government break their sworn oath and simply refuse to enforce the law. Easier than passing a new law, and declining to enforce is not that offensive a thing to do, given that there’s no big decision event involved and no debate surrounds the slow act of declining to enforce, declining to live up to one’s oath, declining to act within the law.
In a nutshell, we lost this country when we, through our elected representatives, declined to impeach and remove federal judges, including Supremes, when these actual law school grads in robes took it upon themselves to legislate from the bench.
Where is the source for this article?
There is none. It’s rubbish Agitprop as Tom Maguire points out:
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2012/05/send-better-agitprop.html
How many more reasons does anyone need to know that Obama must be booted out of office?
So … does anyone here have any hard evidence that any muslim body or group has applied for an exemption from the health insurance mandate, or that anybody has actually made moves to award any sort exemption?
All I see here is a bunch of wild speculation. This has been debunked so many times it’s hard to believe that anyone’s still trying to peddle it. Nobody’s offering an exemption because nobody’s asking for one. The claim that insurance is “haraam” is also bogus – islam just isn’t monolithic enough to be able to make any blanket claim like that. There are even published islamic opinions saying that insurance is just fine and dandy, and CAIR has pointed out that they offer insurance to their employees and have no intention of changing that policy.
This is just the usual xenophobic “poor us” twaddle.
Does this mean that the Muslims will get free health care from America while the rest of us have to pay? Di illegals get free heal care?
I think you need to realise that this story isn’t even true.
The Moslem case is invalid. The contention that insurance is gambling is where all the cheerleaders went wrong. This wrong will be righted even if it must go to the Supreme Court to be clarified and then struck down as an invalid exemption.
Gambling is the precise opposite of insurance. The faux argument on the Moslem side fails. Here is why:
When one puts their money down on an insurance policy, they eliminate the risk of loss. Or at the very least, the risk is mitigated. Insurance is defined as substituting a small definite cost—-the annual premium—for the elimination of a large loss of indefinite size sometime in the undetermined future.
This is known as insurance, wherein future losses of an individual are thus shared in a large pool of like people with the similar problem of how to mitigate really big losses which cannot be handled by such individual. The premiums are pooled.
Gambling, on the other hand, is the voluntary placing of a piece of money—-called a bet—on a craps table, slot machine, or blackjack game, as examples. The moment that bet is laid down, it is in play, to be lost with no recompense or social benefit to either the individual or some group. It can also result in a larger sum of money coming the way of the one who laid down the money.
It (gambling) is a pure risk, in the laps of the gods, so to speak. It is the exact opposite of the premium which is paid to eliminate risk, not put risk into play. It could be falsely argued that the premium is lost when no loss occurs in that future of which we spoke. That would be like being dismayed that one’s house did not burn down during the policy protection period! Insurance is a hedge against the probability that the house will burn down. That is a risk no family wishes to take. Thus the family insures against the loss.
Gambling is the tossing of money onto the table to see what happens. There is no pretense of protecting against some kind of loss. It is pure degeneracy. It might be fun and it might be addictive. It is not insurance
Point: Moslems cannot claim exemption on the basis that insurance is gambling. And no, with insurance, one is placing onself into a pool; the House (insurance firm) is not betting against the insured. The firm knows how much to collect in order to pay out (statistics) losses out of the accumulated fund as the predicted losses in fact occur. It is called actuarial science and mathmatics, risk sharing.
With gambling, the House is definitely betting against the bettor. The House (casino) knows that over time, EVERY bettor loses. Again, the exact opposite of insurance.
If Obama wins in November, we will be one Caliphate, under Allah, with Sharia and Dhimmitude for all!
Welcome to the USSA (United Socialist States of America).
Debunked. It only covers religions that currently have objection to accepting any government assistance. These are covered by a long standing tax code. Section 1402(g)(1). These religions do not participate in social security or any other government program. Islam is not and has never been part of this program.
Any religion can participate in Section 1402(g)(1) if they:
1, Choose not take any government benefits .
2. Can show that they have the ability to take care of their own members.
This dates back to the New Deal.
If you were to file a new religion tomorrow (Lets call it Jedi) and were able to match the criteria above, you would also be exempt.
Note: The Amish and the Mennonites (The two largest religions currently using this program) only get the benefit of it when they are self employed, only hire from their own community or work for members of their own community that only hire from the inside.
You lie, period. Muslims are not exempt any more than anyone else. People can APPLY for exemption for religious reasons but no one is EXEMPT.
Why doesn’t the government establish the Canadian style health care which has no premiums and tell Muslims they will be free to pay for their medical expenses.