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		<title>By: TL</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacare-the-devil-is-not-in-the-details/#comment-389214</link>
		<dc:creator>TL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Praetorian (you astroturfing shill)
You see, the POLITICAL crime syndicate does not care about your health. They care about profit. Their only function is to take in more money in TAXES AND BRIBES than they pay out in claims. They answer to UNIONS AND OTHER CORRUPT ENTERPRISES, not patients and doctors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praetorian (you astroturfing shill)<br />
You see, the POLITICAL crime syndicate does not care about your health. They care about profit. Their only function is to take in more money in TAXES AND BRIBES than they pay out in claims. They answer to UNIONS AND OTHER CORRUPT ENTERPRISES, not patients and doctors.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacare-the-devil-is-not-in-the-details/#comment-388994</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and for the those totally in denial, from a someone close to the action

...but I work in a primary care doctor’s office, and her statements about health care are simply untrue! Under the government-run health plan, Medicare, patients choose their own doctors, hospitals, labs, dialysis centers, etc. In contrast, those insured under private insurance have little choice. The private insurers even stipulate what medications that doctors can prescribe for their subscribers. Further, the private insurers deny care when patients are ill. We have to petition the private insurers to agree to treatments that their subscribers need. We get denials all of the time. Talk about death panels! It is proven that stress is bad for our health. Imagine being sick with a life-threatening illness and then having to deal with the stress of fighting with your health insurer to cover your care! Imagine doing that when you are in your 70s or 80s! I deal with these issues on a daily basis for patients who have dropped Medicare and have private insurance. Private insurers also pay primary care doctors less than Medicare-some up to 50% less! A health insurance corporation’s job is to maximize profits for its shareholders, they can do that best by rationing and restricting coverage to their subscribers. That is not in the best interest of a patient’s health!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and for the those totally in denial, from a someone close to the action</p>
<p>&#8230;but I work in a primary care doctor’s office, and her statements about health care are simply untrue! Under the government-run health plan, Medicare, patients choose their own doctors, hospitals, labs, dialysis centers, etc. In contrast, those insured under private insurance have little choice. The private insurers even stipulate what medications that doctors can prescribe for their subscribers. Further, the private insurers deny care when patients are ill. We have to petition the private insurers to agree to treatments that their subscribers need. We get denials all of the time. Talk about death panels! It is proven that stress is bad for our health. Imagine being sick with a life-threatening illness and then having to deal with the stress of fighting with your health insurer to cover your care! Imagine doing that when you are in your 70s or 80s! I deal with these issues on a daily basis for patients who have dropped Medicare and have private insurance. Private insurers also pay primary care doctors less than Medicare-some up to 50% less! A health insurance corporation’s job is to maximize profits for its shareholders, they can do that best by rationing and restricting coverage to their subscribers. That is not in the best interest of a patient’s health!</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacare-the-devil-is-not-in-the-details/#comment-388988</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the terminally deluded, from the NYT

…Long-term care constitutes a difficult and expensive challenge in any health system. But the American patchwork, full of cracks through which people fall, has a special problem with medical expenses of all kinds bankrupting couples.
A study reported in The American Journal of Medicine this month found that 62 percent of American bankruptcies are linked to medical bills. These medical bankruptcies had increased nearly 50 percent in just six years. Astonishingly, 78 percent of these people actually had health insurance, but the gaps and inadequacies left them unprotected when they were hit by devastating bills.
M. still helps her husband and, quietly, continues to live with him and care for him. But she worries that the authorities will come after her if they realize that they divorced not because of irreconcilable differences but because of irreconcilable medical bills. There were awkward questions from friends who saw the divorce announcement in the newspaper.
“It’s just crazy,” she said. “It twists people like pretzels.”
The existing system doesn’t just break up families, it also costs lives. A 2004 study by the Institute of Medicine, a branch of the National Academy of Sciences, found that lack of health insurance causes 18,000 unnecessary deaths a year. That’s one person slipping through the cracks and dying every half an hour.
In short, it’s a good bet that our existing dysfunctional health system knocks off far more people than an army of “death panels” could — even if they existed, worked 24/7 and got around in a fleet of black helicopters.
So, for those of you inclined to believe the worst about President Obama, think it through. Suppose he is indeed a secret, foreign-born Muslim agent who is scheming to undermine American family values while killing off as many grandmothers as possible.
If all that were true, why on earth would he be trying so hard to reform our health care system? We already know how to prod families into divorce and take a life unnecessarily every 30 minutes — all we need to do is reject reform and stick with exactly what we have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the terminally deluded, from the NYT</p>
<p>…Long-term care constitutes a difficult and expensive challenge in any health system. But the American patchwork, full of cracks through which people fall, has a special problem with medical expenses of all kinds bankrupting couples.<br />
A study reported in The American Journal of Medicine this month found that 62 percent of American bankruptcies are linked to medical bills. These medical bankruptcies had increased nearly 50 percent in just six years. Astonishingly, 78 percent of these people actually had health insurance, but the gaps and inadequacies left them unprotected when they were hit by devastating bills.<br />
M. still helps her husband and, quietly, continues to live with him and care for him. But she worries that the authorities will come after her if they realize that they divorced not because of irreconcilable differences but because of irreconcilable medical bills. There were awkward questions from friends who saw the divorce announcement in the newspaper.<br />
“It’s just crazy,” she said. “It twists people like pretzels.”<br />
The existing system doesn’t just break up families, it also costs lives. A 2004 study by the Institute of Medicine, a branch of the National Academy of Sciences, found that lack of health insurance causes 18,000 unnecessary deaths a year. That’s one person slipping through the cracks and dying every half an hour.<br />
In short, it’s a good bet that our existing dysfunctional health system knocks off far more people than an army of “death panels” could — even if they existed, worked 24/7 and got around in a fleet of black helicopters.<br />
So, for those of you inclined to believe the worst about President Obama, think it through. Suppose he is indeed a secret, foreign-born Muslim agent who is scheming to undermine American family values while killing off as many grandmothers as possible.<br />
If all that were true, why on earth would he be trying so hard to reform our health care system? We already know how to prod families into divorce and take a life unnecessarily every 30 minutes — all we need to do is reject reform and stick with exactly what we have.</p>
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		<title>By: AdrianS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdrianS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Praetorian, #37, #38, #41, etc.

Nice try.  However, manifest evidence of a great opposition to Obama&#039;s health care plan send you to the corner with the dunce hat.  For the benefit of Praetorian and those in Linda Vista, Praetorian is wrong.
  
Obamacare is less popular now than Hillarycare was at the same stage and looks very likely to become a tremendous failure for Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praetorian, #37, #38, #41, etc.</p>
<p>Nice try.  However, manifest evidence of a great opposition to Obama&#8217;s health care plan send you to the corner with the dunce hat.  For the benefit of Praetorian and those in Linda Vista, Praetorian is wrong.</p>
<p>Obamacare is less popular now than Hillarycare was at the same stage and looks very likely to become a tremendous failure for Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul -Indiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul -Indiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#43.  John, that&#039;s great.  In addition, there are those who want the illegal aliens to have health insurance and tuition so they can take up spaces in school that our kids deserve.  We should randomly assign an illegal immigrant to each of those people so they can salve their consciences by using their own money to solve that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#43.  John, that&#8217;s great.  In addition, there are those who want the illegal aliens to have health insurance and tuition so they can take up spaces in school that our kids deserve.  We should randomly assign an illegal immigrant to each of those people so they can salve their consciences by using their own money to solve that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Praetorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praetorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link for my post #50

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539305,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link for my post #50</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539305,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539305,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Praetorian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praetorian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the things that Dave said in his post (#47) can be said in terms of what is happening here.  No we are not France, and no one has claimed that the health care system in France is without its problems.  The article that I posted the link to indicated that.  That said, the French system is STILL BETTER.  Dave says that the French system is going broke.  Well, the system we have in place is not sustainable in its current form and it will crash and burn.  At any rate, the French system is superior to ours and that is demonstrated by the result, which is longer and healthier lives.  How could he be against that!  Moreover, the claims Dave makes about the economies of France are without basis.  They are pulling out of the recession according to Fox News.  The public option is the way to go and we will fight for it.  Bye the way, Dave lives as a serf right now.  He carries water for those who could care less if he drops dead.  You see, the private health insurance crime syndicate does not care about your health.  They care about profit.  Their only function is to take in more money in premiums than they pay out in claims.  They answer to shareholders, not patients and doctors.  We&#039;re going to change this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the things that Dave said in his post (#47) can be said in terms of what is happening here.  No we are not France, and no one has claimed that the health care system in France is without its problems.  The article that I posted the link to indicated that.  That said, the French system is STILL BETTER.  Dave says that the French system is going broke.  Well, the system we have in place is not sustainable in its current form and it will crash and burn.  At any rate, the French system is superior to ours and that is demonstrated by the result, which is longer and healthier lives.  How could he be against that!  Moreover, the claims Dave makes about the economies of France are without basis.  They are pulling out of the recession according to Fox News.  The public option is the way to go and we will fight for it.  Bye the way, Dave lives as a serf right now.  He carries water for those who could care less if he drops dead.  You see, the private health insurance crime syndicate does not care about your health.  They care about profit.  Their only function is to take in more money in premiums than they pay out in claims.  They answer to shareholders, not patients and doctors.  We&#8217;re going to change this.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacare-the-devil-is-not-in-the-details/#comment-388035</link>
		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How many CT scans and at how much cost in radiation or contrast risk? Why are we far over the real benefit of more Diagnostic Breast imaging and procedure? No unusual thing for me to see a woman whom has 4 negative breast biopsies over the last 5 years getting ‘the best medical care in the world’. Yep her survival stats are solid.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, &lt;b&gt;Spindok&lt;/b&gt;, if your point here is that so called &quot;high level&quot; medical treatment today leaves a lot (a whole lot !) to be desired in terms of worth &amp; value, I heartily agree with that.

Many doctors seem to be heavily invested in things like that RVU thing you mention, jamming as many patients as possible into the hour, getting paid by insurance cos., reams of paperwork seeking payment for Medicare/Caid, even exploiting those systems...

...while notions of medicine as Art as in the Hippocratic Oath seem to have flown out the window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How many CT scans and at how much cost in radiation or contrast risk? Why are we far over the real benefit of more Diagnostic Breast imaging and procedure? No unusual thing for me to see a woman whom has 4 negative breast biopsies over the last 5 years getting ‘the best medical care in the world’. Yep her survival stats are solid.</i></p>
<p>Well, <b>Spindok</b>, if your point here is that so called &#8220;high level&#8221; medical treatment today leaves a lot (a whole lot !) to be desired in terms of worth &amp; value, I heartily agree with that.</p>
<p>Many doctors seem to be heavily invested in things like that RVU thing you mention, jamming as many patients as possible into the hour, getting paid by insurance cos., reams of paperwork seeking payment for Medicare/Caid, even exploiting those systems&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;while notions of medicine as Art as in the Hippocratic Oath seem to have flown out the window.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you perceive a problem with our health care system, it is the fault of the Federal government. I have been in medicine for over 30 years and have seen the changes and watched the cost go up.&lt;/i&gt;

Absolutely David (#35), your observations exactly parallel my own.

And the notion of government interference being the cause of something shooting craps isn&#039;t limited to medicine.  We can expand the idea to most areas of human endeavor, education, business etc.

Examples are myriad and convoluted.

Quite astonishing that many seem to want &lt;b&gt;more&lt;/b&gt; federal government interference &amp; regulation.  

&quot;the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior, expecting a different result&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you perceive a problem with our health care system, it is the fault of the Federal government. I have been in medicine for over 30 years and have seen the changes and watched the cost go up.</i></p>
<p>Absolutely David (#35), your observations exactly parallel my own.</p>
<p>And the notion of government interference being the cause of something shooting craps isn&#8217;t limited to medicine.  We can expand the idea to most areas of human endeavor, education, business etc.</p>
<p>Examples are myriad and convoluted.</p>
<p>Quite astonishing that many seem to want <b>more</b> federal government interference &amp; regulation.  </p>
<p>&#8220;the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior, expecting a different result&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its very telling that our leftist friends want to turn the US into France.  France is fine for the French.  WE are not French. They live under the burden of a massive welfare state with huge unemployment, innovation crushing structural and economic rigidity, and quite frankly (pun intended), I have no desire to live as a serf to the state as they do.  Oh, by the way, the French system is going broke and the French people are having a hissy fit over even basic co-pays. They are also starting to see the rationing and decline in availability of specialists as is the problem with other socialized medicine countries. The dependence on the state to take care of their basic needs is now a permanent part of the French culture and something we should avoid if we value our freedom.

Again, we can find better ways to do this.  The public option is absolutely the wrong idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its very telling that our leftist friends want to turn the US into France.  France is fine for the French.  WE are not French. They live under the burden of a massive welfare state with huge unemployment, innovation crushing structural and economic rigidity, and quite frankly (pun intended), I have no desire to live as a serf to the state as they do.  Oh, by the way, the French system is going broke and the French people are having a hissy fit over even basic co-pays. They are also starting to see the rationing and decline in availability of specialists as is the problem with other socialized medicine countries. The dependence on the state to take care of their basic needs is now a permanent part of the French culture and something we should avoid if we value our freedom.</p>
<p>Again, we can find better ways to do this.  The public option is absolutely the wrong idea.</p>
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