ObamaCare: Repeal, Replace, Rinse, Repeat
If straight out repeal is a non-starter, there are two more profitable veins to mine for bringing down ObamaCare. The first attack will be in the courts, led apparently by state attorneys general, who are suing in federal court over the individual mandate for almost every American to purchase insurance. But even if successful, there are workarounds for the Democrats that would keep ObamaCare in business.
If the Democrats had used the “deem and pass” strategy in the House, a challenge could have been made to the entire bill. But realistically, even if most legal challenges were successful — a very doubtful proposition given the history of the Supreme Court — great swaths of ObamaCare will still be on the books, wreaking havoc.
How then to proceed? It is a sad fact that repeal of ObamaCare will be a long, laborious process that is going to take at least two and perhaps three election cycles to achieve. The Republicans must win the kinds of majorities enjoyed today by the Democrats at the ballot box, while electing a president willing to sign a repeal measure in 2012. That’s a tall order. And simply running on a platform of straight repeal may not turn the trick. By 2014, the aforementioned ObamaCare constituencies will be stubbornly entrenched with millions of people benefiting from some of its provisions.
It will be a delicate operation — requiring a scalpel, not a meat cleaver — to repeal ObamaCare. Representative Paul Ryan has what will probably be the Republicans’ ultimate strategy going into the 2010 midterms and beyond:
“Obviously we’re not for keeping this law,” he continued. “We should repeal it and replace it with reform … but not just to go back to the status quo that we knew yesterday. That wasn’t sustainable, either. We’ve been saying all along we want to fix what’s broken in healthcare without breaking what’s working in healthcare. So repeal and replace it with something better.”
Still to be determined is what constitutes “something better.” From what we know of previously introduced GOP-sponsored health care legislation, the kind of “reform” that Ryan is thinking about would deal with those who have chronic conditions and are unable to purchase affordable health insurance, as well as a large portion of the uninsured being covered. There would almost certainly be Medicare reform as well.
The virtue of this approach is that you co-opt the opposition of a large number of ObamaCare beneficiaries by not taking away their coverage, while tossing most of the government health care monstrosity into the dustbin of history. “Repeal and replace” would be more attractive, at least as a political strategy, than outright repeal. And given the long-term nature of the battle ahead, it might be the only viable road to follow.
But all of this might be a chimera, a fantasy born of desperation. The legal challenges may very well fail. There is the possibility that ObamaCare will become more popular than is presently contemplated and that a call for repeal will not resonate with the electorate the way it does today. There is a chance that Obama will be reelected, and that by 2016, the political landscape will have shifted dramatically away from repeal.
There are many electoral and legal scenarios that would give the GOP a partial victory in getting rid of some of the beast, but leave most of it intact. That’s why I have a rather sad and morbid prediction:
In five years, the GOP will have embraced ObamaCare and be running on a platform that boasts how much more efficiently they can manage it.
Thanks. Night ruined. Cheers, ~cawbs.
Consider technology, not History. The 111 commissions ObamaCare empowers to manage this monstrousity well soon enough be shown to be drags on history. They’ll turn American Health Care into an East German Trabant; in this case a service of negative value. Something worth less than the inputs used to deliver it. Then the price controls of ObamaCare and it’s controlers will go the way of all price-controllers…into technology’s dust bin…not History’s.
Rick, dear lord this is nonsense. Get over your self pity and get back in the game!
You have absolutely no clue as to what the political landscape will look like in 1 year let alone 5. None. Neither do I. What I do know is if we sit back and just allow this disaster to happen, then our future is very dim. To allow this country to continue to be run by and for self important fools, professional victims, and looters means decline.
I have no use for this defeatist nonsense. It took a huge partisan majority to barely inflict this abomination against bipartisan opposition. It can and must be rolled back.
The harder it is to repeal the legislation, the worse for the Democrats and their agenda. The HC law will be a far better “recruitment tool” for opponents of liberalism than Guantanomo ever could be for terrorists. Washington is now their Guantanomo, they’re stuck with it. Every problem with health care, and the economy, will be blamed on this law. It will generate huge opposition to the whole liberal agenda. If it was too easy to repeal, that would spoil it. The MoveOn movement just injected itself with poison.
Under normal circumstances this article is on the money, but the gigantic federal debt already on the books and the huge increases in spending required by the American version of the enabling act will collapse the whole system before the five years are up
If you believe that POR-Health Care has anything to do with health or the economy and that it was not a criminal (bribery as in high crimes and misdomeanors) political attempt to grab a large voting block, then some one has swamp land to sell you. The pack of jackals in congress excused themselves from earmarks and bribery by saying that everyone else has done it. Tell me if that makes it less of a crime and you are not offended when robbed.
Krauthammer’s Take: On Vice President Biden’s profane utterance “This is a big f**n deal”:
Obama sees himself as a successor to FDR and Truman, so now we have the historical procession: the New Deal, the Square Deal, and the “Big F**n Deal.”
How many American’s truly understand the principle of freedom and its utility? Rick, you may be right, unfortunately.
Once American’s get comfortable with this, they will not want to see it go away.
But a real financial crisis may end all government programs – we can only borrow so much before we become a vassal state to China, or some other less than benevolent nation.
kastaco is correct. We will not have to suffer socialized medicine. The country is about to go through financial collapse.
The government had to either cut entitlements and government size, or they had to print money like crazy. The Obama administration and the Democrats chose to double down, bloat the size of government, and print money.
We are going the way of the Confederate States of America, Zimbabwe, and Argentina. People will still get checks from the government, but the money won’t be worth anything. Think about paying a hundred dollars for a gallon of milk, and you get the idea.
Before giving up, the impact of the lawsuit by the Attorney Generals of 11 states should be worth consideration.
8. rotto: Don’t worry. China is not that stupid, they don’t want 300 million lazy butts moaning and groaning all day long blaming other people for their woes. They have the hard working Asians to serve them already.
Actually, I believe that the repeal can be accomplished if it is done in conjunction with true healthcare overhaul in the same bill. A bill could be written repealing the abomination and instituting real reforms such as tort reform, allowing insurance to be sold nationwide, tax breaks for individuals purchasing insurance, etc. which would make the repeal politically feasible.
If the republicans can put together a plan, they can campaign on the replace vice repeal, which can include informing the US public on the merits of their plan over the one just enacted.
It seems to me that the only window of opportunity for the Republican to repeal ObamaCare is in 2013. If the Republicans win the presidential election in 2012, and win the House, and win a 60 vote majority in the Senate solidly behind this issue (more if not), the Republicans can repeal before the actual coverage kicks in for most people.
In 5 years I’ll be moving to the Republic of Texas
Republicans are already getting on board health care reform in the senate, though it is rather….whaky. One GOP senator has actually offered an amendment to stop prisoners from taking viagra, man thats a gut buster. However, they are at least back in the game, even if not exactly on message. Support is also rising (up 10% in yesterdays poll) as people see the real savings and benefits. Just wish republicans would have helped out a few years ago when it would have made a real difference. Oh well…there is always hope in the years to come eh? and for once we are spending money on aid, for our own people. Now that is a change … we can all agree on.
TYRANNY… FOR THE CHILDREN! it’s the Democrats’ marching song.
get this repealed…i doubt we will. Our youth will love it after some time. Look at France, once they have all those “freebies” they will NOT give them up…even if its for their own good. The only solution i see is succession or all out revolt. Or a total economic collapse that will most likely result in the splitting of the USA anyway. Or another WW2 like war…
Of course i think we need to see what happens in Nov, then see what happens in 2012. If we dont make “Major” headway by then…the USA is toast and all hope of having a non-socialized USA is over.
We are reaping the rewards of DECADES OF PROGRESSIVES RUNNING OUR SCHOOLS!!!!!!!!!! And having such a plush and easy life, we have gotten very soft.
Either way in 10 yrs if we haven’t turned the boat i fully expect to either see armed revolt or my ass living somewhere else. The question is where????
Poor Citizen
I have question for you. The United States does not enough hospitals with more hospitals closing this year due to bankruptcies and a very severe and real shortage of medical doctors and nurses with the turnover rate of people leaving to people going in the health profession is 10:1. So my question is this, where will Obama Care find the money to fix the health care infrastructure and get the health care manpower to make this work ? Before you answer, consider this very carefully, Medicare does not fully compensate doctors, hospitals, nursing homes and others for their services and it is often delayed by 6 months or more. Medicaid only pays a pittance of services rendered by the same group . I am a nurse who worked in nursing homes and is currently working in a Chicago land Hospital and this is first hand knowledge. So explain to me on how Obama care would work in a crumbling health care sector with no money whatsoever?
You want to know what the landscape will start looking like in five years? Re-read ATLAS SHRUGGED.
When the process has been perverted with the will of the majority ignored, it is time to take a new path. I think Mr. Moran you underestimate the amount of rage building. And though I hate the word, this is a new paradigm.
And history has shown enraged men can play a very dangerous game when they believe their rights trampled.
ONCE AGAIN THE DEMOCRATES STUCK IT TO THE MILITARY. THE MILITARY INSURANCE PLAN – TRICARE, IS EXEMPT FROM OBOMACARE. VETS WITH CHILDREN OVER 23 YEARS OF AGE WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE PAYING HUMANA FOR THEIR CONTINUED COVERAGE. JERRY
CBS Poll-Most Want GOP to Keep Fighting on Health Bill:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001117-503544.html
The biggest thing we have going for us is that the MSM no longer dominates the news. Alternative sources like Rush Limbaugh, the writers associated with Pajamas Media, and countless others are trusted far more by purple and red state voters. The historical evidence is also on our side. There is no question but that the earlier enacted programs cost far more than originally estimated. It is admittedly difficult to explain to a recipient of a government program that it will likely cost them more in the long run. Nonetheless, our weakening economy will compel them to reconsider the alleged greater benefits. It is likely that the unemployment rate may never drop under eight percent—unless we get our national debt under control. Even the dumbest Americans realize this harsh fact of life.
Well poor citizen.
How do you save money by now giving coverage to 30 million new people?
(Clue) The answer is this….ration the health care and coverage. This way you can stretch the dollars further to save that it’s a savings. Just think of the savings in employing euthanisa.
I noticed on the Openleft Blog that one of their charts showed that the social welfare costs were going to be 30% of GDP very soon. This bill will just accelerate it.
Leave it to a Republican to look at this defeat, note that the bill was widely unpopular, and decide that we can’t repeal it.
Moran thinks so, and Sen. Cornyn said as much the other night: “There is non-controversial stuff here like the preexisting conditions exclusion and those sorts of things… Now we are not interested in repealing that. And that is frankly a distraction.”
Well, speaking as a conservative and an erstwhile Republican voter, I say: if the Republicans are not interested in repealing the entire bill, then I am not interested in voting for an entire Republican, nor am I interested in writing the Republican Party an entire check.
The polls show that 58% of Americans oppose this bill. If the GOP can’t turn that mandate into anything, then what good are they? I’ll stay home on the first Tuesday in November and drink martinis.
How’s that for a distraction, Sen. Cornyn?
“…in five years, the GOP will have embraced ObamaCare and be running on a platform that boasts how much more efficiently they can manage it.”
They’ve already started the process.
It isn’t a matter of the Republican Party being against nationalized health care…it’s a small matter of who is in charge of it and how much of it we get.
The obvious then becomes crystal clear. We’re not free or living under The Constitution.
The Republicans are National Socialists, while the Democrats are Marxists.
Yeah, yeah, yeah…but forget what they say about themselves and examine their works. Actions speak much louder than words, and their actions from 2004 through 2006 told us all we needed to know. …then there was that whole Contract with America, which they promptly broke right after the elections…
“Well poor citizen.
How do you save money by now giving coverage to 30 million new people?”
The utopian left-winger almost believes money grows on trees. They have no real idea how wealth is created. The politicians merely need to tax Bill Gates at a bit higher rate. These people are truly economic illiterates. This is why the blue state voters are beyond hope. Only purple and red state voters can save the country.
IC
Leave it to Mr. Moran to really get the troops pumped up. The premise that we should not attack this monstosity as a whole is the same defeatest mentality that has permeated the Republican establishment during my lifetime. This bill can be repealed over time if Republicans exhibit the same intensity that Democrats showed in shoving it down our throats.
Why should Americans come to see Obamacare as desireable entitlement? From what I can see all you are entitled to is the right to pay skyrocketing premiums and brag that you have insurance. In no way are you guaranteed actual treatment, which is really the point of the exercise. Also,the bill was structured to destroy the private health care industry in the first place, which of course will lead to a government takeover. Why compromise with any of this 2700 page pile of crap?
The American people will come to revile Obamacare and the people who thrust it upon us. There is no reason to go wobbly now.
IC #11
You’re right they don’t want 300 million extra people to rule. What they want is the destruction of freedom and all the natural resources that liberal sandal wearing leaf eaters refuse to allow us to use ourselves.
They are buying that destruction a few billion at a time through US Treasuries. Money can be a very effective weapon.
# 15 Poor citizen
That is not change we can all agree on. And aid for our own people? Including illegal aliens?
It’s amazing how some people can live life with such simplistic vision… Why can’t we just all get along? Because some people are lazy and some people don’t like to fund laziness. Is that simple enough for you?
Liberal’s will suffer along with those of us who opposed socialized medicine, maybe fewer though since there will be more abortions…
The GOP have been statists at heart from Lincoln forward. That is why we have a tea party–the republicans are not an opposition party, they are a “not as bad as the democrats” party.
Just looking at the various approaches on how to deal with HCR tells me that conservatives are a long way away from unifying around a single strategy, if ever. Indeed, HCR was written in such a way as to do exactly that. So many targets, so many opinions on how to hit the different targets, etc. All over the map while the tables are being turned as we speak. Polls are shifting and not in the GOPs favor (just after a day mind you!). You guys are in deep doo doo. Conservatives can stay angry but for what purpose? To stay angry? Obama played the GOP like the rope-a-dope dopes that they are. You may not like it but David Frum hit the bulls eye on what just happened. He’s no flaming liberal by a long shot. I suggest you all take a look at what he wrote. Prophetic, really.
http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
#17 steveforlibertyinsc wrote: “Our youth will love it after some time. Look at France, once they have all those “freebies” they will NOT give them up…even if its for their own good.”
How can being denied coverage due to a pre-existing condition be for ones own good? And let’s face it we’re all going to have one sooner or later, doesn’t mater which party you identify with, we’re all human.
How can re-opening the Medicare donut hole, which would make our seniors pay more for their drugs be for their own good? Misery is not synonymous with freedom or liberty. If you think it is you’re pretty warped.
How can rescinding coverage be for ones own good when they have cancer? Do you really believe that?
Americans as indicated by the polls are already seeing the good in the bill. Better get on board.
As far as France is concerned, they have the best healthcare (what you call freebies) in the world and pay less for it. Nobody EVER goes bankrupt due to catastrophic illness in France. Moreover, they do not have socialized medicine as the stupid ones believe (then again, they think socialism and fascism are the same thing). But don’t take my word for it.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92419273
For the 85% who have healthcare and are happy with it, this bill increases taxes, reduces benefits and introduces government-led rationing. In addition the pain is front loaded. Benefits come after 4 years. What is so hard to believe that this bill will be repealed?
Rick Moran writes:
“Making yourself an easy target for liberal demonizing is not a sound political strategy.”
What happened to conservative demonizing? What happened to labelling Obama and the Democrats as what they are, socialists at best and more likely communists. What is wrong with our elected representatives hitting Obama and friends with the socialist label every time they open their mouths? Ater all, they are socialists or worse and arrogantly pleased with themselves for being so. Is correctly describing someone as socialist now Politically Incorrect? Now that would be fighting. Verbal, of course, but still fighting. Every time Pelosi opens her mouth, close it with chants of “Socialist.” People in the streets might join in. All they need is leadership.
I have only one thing to say.
THE 21st AMENDMENT!
It takes far more to repeal an constitutional amendment, and the 18th amendment was popular when it passed.
SO QUIT BEING PART OF THE PROBLEM!
“As far as France is concerned, they have the best healthcare (what you call freebies) in the world and pay less for it.”
The French pay a very high indirect price for their health care in much higher taxes, a weaker economy, and high unemployment. Nothing is for free. The price will be paid in one way or another. Wealth must be created before redistribution can begin. You are also abusing the English language when denying that France’s health care system is not premised upon socialist economic principles. George Orwell would find your comments most disturbing.
Something better than this monstrosity. Well, why not take a look at Ann Coulter’s suggestions over at her website.
One big problem is facing people to buy insurance with mandates that they do not use, or see using.
However this battle will wind up, this is one Canadian who will be doing his part to make sure I don’t need a hospital visit by watching the calories, and getting enough exercise.
In the meantime, I will be looking at reducing Canada’s need on the US because too many eggs in one basket has been shown to lead
to trouble.
I don’t see why this has to be so hard, or why a 2/3rd majority to go around Obama’s veto is needed.
Let’s assume that GOP takes control of the House and Senate. Let’s also assume that ObamaCare remains as unpopular in January 2011 as it is in March 2009 (this is reasonable at least because all of the pain comes now through taxes and no benefits flow until 2014).
Any necessary or popular measure — let’s say the appropriations bill for Health and Human Services (i.e. medicare, medicaide, chips, etc.) — can be appended with a repeal Obama Care rider.
Anything the majority wants for the most part can pass the House. In the Senate its a different story, of course. The Democrat Senators would be put in the position of filibustering the Medicare, Medicade and healthcare for children and Obama would be in the position of having to veto same.
The GOP can make it clear that this is the only bill that will be offered that year for appropriations as they want to focus on the economy rather than waste another year on healthcare — and since the GOP controls the agenda that is a credible threat. The GOP can also make it clear that they aren’t playing any games just seeking the repeal of a bill that everyone hates
My hat is off to Sen. Cornyn and his fellow Republican legislators
for showing the intestinal fortitude necessary in the fight to
repeal Obamacare. Why they lasted ALMOST TWO WHOLE DAYS after
it’s passage before they began their public capitulation. This
is really true leadership! Really impressive! They’ll be writing
songs about Cornyn’s courage and conviction.
Here’s a question Mr. Cornyn: If Obamacare has so many wonderful
parts why the hell didn’t you just vote for it? Why did every
Republican vote against the bill? Did you just oppose it because
Obama proposed it? Do you know how craven Republicans will now
look if they just fall into line with barely a whimper?
Obama, Pelosi and Reid crafted their health care bill with only
one thing in mind – to destroy the private health care industry.
Pre-existing conditions are a distraction? Forcing insurance
companies to accept all comers without regard to pre-existing
conditions will bankrupt them (of course not before it bankrupts
their customers with ruinous premium hikes). Then the Democrats
will move to nationalize the industry. Will Cornyn & Co. find
a lot of things to like about that?
The fight is just beginning. Obamacare is a terrible bill which
is going to have a lot disturbing side effects (the first will be
when a large portion of the nitwits who supported the legislation
discover ‘Christmas’ isn’t coming for 4 years). The battle
over Obamacare will culminate with the attempted Government
takeover of health care. It’s going to be ongoing for years whether
Cornyn likes it or not. If he or his fellow Republicans don’t have
have the stomach for this fight they should quit and save us the
trouble of voting THEM out of office.
So what’s the message here? Give up? The statists have won, there’s nothing we can do to stop it, if rape is inevitable lie back and enjoy it?
That might seem feasible to you, sir, but I’m just going into college. I’m just starting out in the real world. I WILL HAVE TO LIVE UNDER THIS SYSTEM. I have more to lose here than some people, because it’s not going to be my children who fund ObamaCare, it’s going to be ME.
And for God’s sake, you have no right to give up. You have no right not to help me, and people like me, continue fighting. It is your duty as free individual to preserve freedom. It is your duty to beat back the slave drivers that wait in the dark. Your first loyalty is not to the state, nor to civic peace, but to LIBERTY.
I myself have chronic ill health, severe respiratory afflictions. Yes, they eat away at my time and my resources, yes my family and I have had to do without many of the pretty toys the average American has grown accustomed
to. But I will not be a slave of the state. I will not depend on the government for breath.
So I can’t even forget about you and leave you by the wayside while I keep fighting. I need you. I need all the help I can get. I need every free thinking individual to help me stand up to the great soulless hive-mind of the Left and push it back down into the ideological cesspit it congealed in.
Conservatives, by definition, don’t like change, period, whether it’s for the good or the bad. They can’t tell the difference so hence scream and drag their feet regardless of whether it makes any sense or not.
Rick MORON this will never be repealed in your lifetime. no way will the party of NO take over the House and the congress and the pesidency. you fools can all die in the death panels mof socialized medicine
Promotion of the general welfare isn’t socialism. It’s our Constitution. Good luck with those SCOTUS challenges. They didn’t repeal Social Security or Medicare and they won’t repeal this but I think you guts know this you just want to vent. My guess is that they won’t even hear the case from the AGs.
First of all, the taxes are for individuals making more than 200k, families making more than 250k…so 85% of the people are not going to be taxed. Second, this bill is already more popular than it was, and it was never as bad as most say, because 15 to 20% of those opposed were opposed because it did not go far enough. I am glad the Republicans are saying they want to reform things, because in all of their years in power, they never tried to fix any of the problems. So, if we could get some reasonable changes made, maybe we can actually help most americans.
45. Do you actually believe those lies, or are you just that evil that you would lie to us to enslave us?
41. Amen! Look, if the geezers aren’t up for a fight anymore, fine. We’ll take over, but the least you owe us is access to your resources to defend your liberty. After all, that how all wars are fought- young men stand up to fight, and men too old or too ill conditioned to fight fund the war effort.
No lies, Myth Buster…I actually read the damn bill!
Running deliberate loser McCain, initiating the financial catastrophe under G.W. Bush. It is certain they will not repeal but will come to co-own social medicine. These are the same Republicans who have participated in negro promotion (“affirmative action”), political correctness, failure to win in Iraq, failure to destroy Iran’s nuclear arms, failure to win decisively in Afghanistan, don’t have any illusions. The Fox conservatives are nothing but fakes, beholden to the Saudis, that is why they NEVER talk about Israel, have NOT ONE GOOD WORD to say about Israel (except Hannity once in a blue moon).
Mr. Moran:
You have to stop trying to act like an apologist “polite Republican” a la David Frum, simply because your brother is one of the media’s most influential lefty Obama apologists.
Mr. Moran is a _____
It is not an entitlement yet. Remember the taxes come first, with only a few provisions of “reform” at the front end. The main entitlements don’t come until 2014. Burden before benefit means there is definitely time, and if there is the will, definitely the possibility we can defy history and repeal and replace this freedom killing monstrosity. I am sure the people who supported prohibition thought their change couldn’t be repealed either, and repealing an amendment is a lot harder than repealing a law.
Nott (41)
“So what’s the message here? Give up? The statists have won, there’s nothing we can do to stop it, if rape is inevitable lie back and enjoy it?”
NO. The message is it’s about time to recognize those who won’t lead, but refuse to follow, and tell them to get the hell out of the way. You’re right about no one having the right to give up, that is, unless they have no intention of worrying about the Constitution ever again and just go ahead and become democrats. Republicans have three layers of supporters, the top tier which is about evenly split between those that really believe in the Constitution and those that want power but want to wield it differently than the democrats do. Level two, is made up of those who believe and actually get out and work for candidates and try to make a difference, and those who believe but who don’t want to bother with anything other than voting now and then and do so whenever they can’t think of a good excuse to sit things out or throw their vote away because of a pet peeve. Last but not least, are those who are really democrats but who think it’s easier to make headway and gain reputation in a disorganized Mongolian Cluster Frolic like the Republican Party than in the regimented democrat party.
At the top, better the Republican devil you know than the democrat devil of any kind no matter what they say and no matter how much better they seem. Slap democrats down hard and take their seats. Hold the majority no matter what and over time weed out those who do not really believe in the Constitution first and foremost, always being sure that you retain the majority while doing so. The second level is the key, the majority of the party has to become either part of the second level and recognize that it’s no longer good enough to expect others to do what you personally will not, and if you won’t get up off your butt and work for candidates, get out of the way and do what you’re told when it’s time to vote. The third level, it goes without saying has to be “ruthlessly” weeded out. To hell with any “big tent” crap, those in the third level vote democrat and talk republican or vote third party to retain plausible deniability anyway.
People have to realize that the democrat socialists have made it impossible to live in this country and not constantly be politically aware and politically oriented. Every little decision has to be analyzed for political content just the way the leftists who see government as their God do or we’ll soon all be finding out that there’s no way back to the country so many have died to defend. All the energy Republicans and conservatives put into Church, hobbies, and personal interests, you see, is put into the party by enough of our opponents to keep those not substituting government for God in line and doing what they’re told at election time. We have to match the method of keeping people in line, informed, motivated, and ready to vote without whining and second guessing because first and foremost, keeping the majority is important, more important than your pet peeve. Don’t mistake critical issues like abortion for pet peeves, either, I’m talking how whiners managed to replace weak willed average folks accustomed to always just saying, “charge it” the same way the entire middle class does in their personal life with drunken socialist sailors spending trillions of your dollars because of the whiners and saps who were “teaching them a lesson”. Well, hello “them”, can you hear me now?
The next fast food joint that does a politically correct promotion, boycott it. The next time a company runs ads talking about “global warming”, call, them, write them, boycott them if at all possible. Sales of absolutely everything should reflect the same map that elections do. Companies willing to sell only in blue state are free to do so, but they will no longer enjoy the economies of scale they enjoy by catering to the blue states and making their profits in the red states. I’m sorry, it’s that bad, they’ve changed the game and unless you want to agree with them and rollover for them, you have to beat them at your own game. There is no way to defeat “Rules for Radicals” with “Roberts Rules of Order”. The other side is expecting to see us do the usual thing and play by the rules. Don’t do it. We have to give as good as we get and the constant BS about how we can “gradually co-opt” any of the bought and paid for democrat supporters hasn’t worked and never will work. It’s a fine stratagem for the fatalist and the fifth columnist, but so was writing Republican friendly wishy washy articles and promoting “bipartisan” tactics while we were briefly in the majority, and what did that do? Those prominent folks who did so were rewarded by not being discarded by the democrat media once the democrats took back over and made it crystal clear that they do not have any intention of anything “bipartisan”.
The facts are that we’ve played nice and listened to the “moderates” and “bipartisans” who want to “grow the tent” and gotten nothing for it but a huge chit sandwich that those same people now have clever ideas about the best way to gradually cut the crust off of three sides of the bread while we smile munch on the bites we agree to take. Republicans can grow a pair, shed the fifth-column and third party “told you so” types while following Reagan’s 11th commandment with those who are reliable votes and voters, focus on politics in every little detail the way the opposition does, or they may as well dissolve. Rest assured, the “dissolve crowd” will be here in force just any time now promoting a third party since they’re upset with a motivated Republican party.
Listening to the clever bastards who worked so hard within the party to “grow through moderation” or “throw the bums out” the only time we had the majority worked out really well, didn’t it? You can hem and haw or you can admit that it isn’t better to throw the bums out when it’s your bums in office and you could gradually weed the garden rather than abandoning it. We don’t have the same types of folks who have lived and breathed their dream of socialism since they were barely out of high school and for the most part we don’t have candidates who never had any other goal than high political office. We either need to take our rights and Constitution as seriously as those bastards take socialism by dedicating ourselves to taking the Republican party over and turning it into the Constitution First party just as much as it was the End Slavery when founded or we need to shut up and enjoy the peanut butter flavored rat poison in the democrat chit sandwich while we await the next dose sure to follow. The tactics Moran is talking amount to chatting about cute little things we can do to ensure that are grandchildren never have to know what cowards we were to give away their freedom and their rights. He’s already given up because it’s more important to him to stay in the game than to win and he can’t even imagine winning and getting back to the Constitution First rather than always losing and mitigating disaster. That’s not realism or pragmatism, that’s either fatalism or deliberate cooperation with the democrat agenda, you know, doing a Stupak.
It’s a fact that a lot of the “geezers” are happy to go to their graves talking about how they never gave in but no one would listen to them when they don’t give a crap about what comes after them. I don’t think it’s fine to pay the dues, fight the wars, and then as a geezer say, “a pox on both your houses”, as a means to cover my own finally giving in to the bastards the way some do. If those among the geezers who are so proud of having told everyone so while themselves remaining pure were telling the truth, they’d be saying, “I got mine, screw you” and “you’ll never win, enjoy your new fascist life”, right along with the many here who have been tasked to defuse and dissipate the anger and emotion that the Republicans and conservatives are finally showing. Moran and others who are so quick to come up with “tactics” to deal with “reality” are oddly comfortable with the democrats altering reality to suit themselves rather than staying within the bounds of the Constitution. You’d almost think that he wrote this column way back when the outrage just stuffed down our throats was first produced in order to be well prepared for the retreat he was sure would be required. McClellan would be proud, but Grant or Patton either one would bust him to private or worse.
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When FDR passed all of his social entitlements, the country was already in a Depression. People had nothing and were very happy to get something, anything to make their lives better.
With Obama it’s the opposite. We (the workers, producers) are starting with something (jobs, etc.) but under Obama we’re losing more and more everyday. He is taking us towards a Depression, not away from one.
Thus, most of us Americans instinctively know that the country is headed in the wrong direction and want a sharp U-Turn. ObamaCare threw gasoline on the fire.
Anyone betting against the will of the American people would be a fool at this time.
Everyone is looking at this issue in the wrong light. Any State has the option of Nullification! Using the 10th Amendment the State can pass through the House and Senate and with the Governor’s signature it nullifies the Federal law!
“Nullification is a legal theory that a U.S. State has the right to nullify, or invalidate, any federal law which that state has deemed unconstitutional. The theory is based on a view that the sovereign States formed the Union, and as creators of the compact hold final authority regarding the limits of the power of the central government. Under this, the compact theory, the States and not the Federal Bench are the ultimate interpreters of the extent of the national Government’s power. A more extreme assertion of state sovereignty than nullification is the related action of secession, by which a state terminates its political affiliation with the Union.”
This is currently being used in the state of Tennessee where it has already passed the Senate and there is good support in the House, not to sure about the Governor but his election comes up this year.
“A prediction: in five years, the GOP will have embraced ObamaCare and be running on a platform that boasts how much more efficiently they can manage it.”
Exactly!
Better yet, my prediction is that conservatives will embrace it by 2012 and will be adding more benefits.
That should have been “forcing people to pay for mandates they don’t use”, instead of “facing people….”
None so blind as those who refuse to see.
No. As we retire the RINOs the Republican party will follow the lead of the Tea Party, the movement that gave them their spines back. We’re not in Kansas, Toto.
I predict in five years the bill will be repealed or seriously modified or unfunded. Remember, it only took a minority of spoiled SDS college students five years to get their parents to stop the draft! They accomplished this by such peaceful means as taking over colleges, having blood drives for the enemy, and refusing to show up for the draft in drag! What did you think congress is going to do when 30 percent of voting Americans flip them bird?
#56 Vivo. Did they already allow medical marajuana where you live?
44. You are a busybody. Get out of my life.
I don’t see this as some great loss of freedom. If anything, what was done by Congress for good or ill shows the Constitution and the various parts of government it creates are still functioning as intended.
The Constitution is a self correcting document. It can change as successive generations come to occupy the places of power within our system.
When I read about all the freedoms we’ve supposedly lost, I can’t help but wonder if people, in general, even comprehend how it’s all supposed to work.
Not meant as a dig at anyone, mind. I just don’t get where these unswerving, absolutist and otherwise inflexible notions of what constitutes freedom come from.
63. We don’t want to live under a government of busybodies who treat us like babies. We don’t want to finance lifestyles we believe are evil. Congress has no authority to impose such a regime on us. Take your pick. Yes, the Constitution can be changed- through the Amendment process, not through common legislation.
Hello Myth Buster,
I should have been more clear, by indicating our system of laws, as well as our Constitution, are self correcting.
The Declaration of Independence states, “All men are created equal”. If we carry this phrase forward and apply it to your position that (several) of you don’t want to finance lifestyles you find evil, does the notion of a basic equality shared by every US citizen not apply at exactly the point where dollars are taxed and pooled together for the purpose of healthcare for all?
In my opinion, lifestyle choices are a fundamental expression of freedom and liberty, and are the responsibility of the individual.
Such choices are meant to be judged by one’s spouse, one’s closest loved ones and one’s God. Such choices are not something my neighbor or some person another state over need concern him or herself with, beyond recognizing the very basic fact that we each have a right to pursue these freedoms, within the bounds of the law.
Laws are enacted for the common good. I may not agree with other people’s choice of lifestyle, and I can recognize when there is a drain on funds due to the poor life choices made by large groups of individuals, but I fail to see where I have the right to judge others in such a way as to say, “I find your lifestyle objectionable, therefore I choose to withhold my money because the common good is not as important as my ability to judge others before I contribute my share to everyone’s well being.”
Pooling our money for a common healthcare system seems to me a means of ensuring freedom for all by ensuring everyone’s well being, thus ensuring our ability to both exercise and enjoy freedom over the course of our lives.
Have an excellent weekend MB (and everyone)!
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