Obamacare Repeal Dealt Mortal Blow by SCOTUS Decision
In 2008, after Arlen Specter switched parties in an ultimately failed attempt to save his Pennsylvania Senate seat and Al Franken out-lawyered Norm Coleman to win the Minnesota Senate seat, the Democrats had the 60 votes to pass ObamaCare. They no longer needed to woo a Republican, such as Olympia Snowe of Maine, to end a GOP filibuster. With a big Democratic majority in the House, the bill was going to pass.
Of course, the bill was passed with an individual mandate to purchase insurance which its sponsors argued ferociously was not a tax. A tax rather than a mandate would have meant Obama violated his campaign pledge not to raise taxes on anyone but the wealthy, and might have made the bill unpalatable for a few endangered Senate Democrats running for re-election in 2010 or 2012.
With the bill’s passage, there were only two ways to stop its full implementation, scheduled for 2014. One was for a successful challenge to the bill in the courts. The other, and seemingly more difficult, path was for the Republicans to gain control of both houses of Congress and win the White House in 2012. They would then use the budget reconciliation process themselves to eliminate those provisions of the bill that were subject to budget reconciliation. The idea that the bill could be fully repealed by the Republicans in Congress was a pipe dream, since if they took back control of the Senate, there was no chance to get to a filibuster-proof 60 votes in 2012 in the Senate.
Full defeat of Obamacare was possible only if the Supreme Court threw out the legislation. When oral arguments were heard at the Supreme Court in March, most observers thought things went very well for the states which were challenging the legislation. At a minimum, it appeared that the individual mandate was in serious trouble. If the mandate were thrown out, then the Court would need to decide if certain other provisions would also go or whether, because there was no severability clause in the legislation, the entire bill would be stuck down.
On Thursday, Chief Justice Roberts read the opinion of a sharply divided 5-4 Court. Roberts sided with the four liberals and upheld Obamcare, declaring that the penalty associated with failure to buy health insurance could be construed as a tax and was clearly under the purview of Congress, even if they avoided labeling it as such on purpose.
For Roberts, often chided as a strong conservative by the likes of Court writers such as Jeffrey Toobin, to concur in upholding Obamcare in this fashion is a bit of a shock. The four dissenters on the Court accepted the explanation of the Obama administration and Congress that the mandate was not a tax. They found, like Roberts, that the commerce clause could not be construed to allow the mandate — in essence it did not allow regulation of economic inactivity. The four dissenters would have invalidated the entire bill due to the lack of a severability clause.
Roberts’ failure to join with the other conservatives on the Court has been explained away as a minor loss associated with a major victory for the right by a few commentators due to the commerce clause language. Since I think the chances that Obamacare will now become implemented law are high, I do not see it as a small, short-term loss for the right exchanged for big future gains in jurisprudence on other issues.
Thirty million new dependents have been created for a new federal welfare program that could become one more huge budget buster, especially if millions decide to only sign up for insurance when they actually need insurance, or if corporations drop their health coverage and choose to pay a fine, moving many of their employees onto the federal rolls. A tipping point between the role of government and the citizen has been passed.
The four dissenters would have invalidated the entire bill. Roberts threw one bone to the right, ruling that the Medicaid expansion was coercive — that if states did not agree to the expansion, they could not suffer any reduction in federal participation in the program for those already receiving benefits. This will now open the Medicaid expansion to fights on the state level, where GOP governors are in charge of more than half the states.
Of course, the bill was passed…
Actually, it was not passed. It was “deemed” to have passed as the necessary votes disappeared from the Senate. This was of course entirely illegal, but what the hell, we’re not a nation of laws anymore. Everybody accepts as real what is popularly perceived. There was a reason for strict rules on how a bill can be enacted. This is more or less the same reason there’s an impeachment clause for federal judges.
…which is not used nearly enugh, since Congressmen don’t understand the term “good behavior”. It doesn’t mean they must be convicted of a crime. It means what it says. Outrageous conduct, including repeated idiotic findings, are grounds for impeachment of judges. They are to be judged by Congress, which fails utterly at this duty.
The problem is, which Congresscritter has the moral height to throw that first stone?
I think you know the answer.
Well, as long as the political right is mainly composed of people who write letters like this I suspect you guys will continue your losing streak.
“NAZI supreme “court” SPITS on the CONSTITUTION!!!!!
Heil Hitler!!! Your fascist NAZI Supreme court has now thrown the US CONSTITUTION in the TRASH!!! The govt now has the LITERALLY UNLIMITED power to force the citizens tobuy whatever they want! Dont like guns? TOUGH!! Now we can makeyou buy them! We can also force you to buy cars, hats, and goddamn iphones if we want ACCORDING TO YOUR NAZI SUPREME COURT! There is now no more limiations on what the govt can do!Welcome to NAZILAND! The biggest NAZI traitor in the country is the lying,corrupt John Hitler Roberts! Roberts literally VIOLATED his duty to uphold the CONSTITUTION when he said the ObaNaziCare was UNCONSTITUTIONAL but still said the nazi law should stand?!!? How can something LITERALLY UNCOSNTITUTIONAL be law??? The answer is ROberts is a nazi who wants to destroy this country. Heres theproblem for nazi-Roberts: we all saw his betrayal of duty and we will all be witneses at his treason trial!!!And you wil stand byhis side! The people will not allwo “president” Obama and his pet judge Hitler Roberts to rape this country anymore!! I dont like romney but I will vote for him to stop the nazi regime of Obama&Roberts!!! Go to hell you nazi fu** and take Obamoron and Hitler Roberts with you!”
Isn’t that nice. The false fires of an overheated mind are certainly a sight to behold. Sad and pathetic …
source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/30/1104590/-Saturday-hate-mail-a-palooza-Did-Chief-Justice-Roberts-do-something-this-week
Cynical Blunder:
I hope you die in a pile of rubble.
You sock-puppet commie slimebag bunghole.
Delia, your sycophantic and sophomoric prattle are music to my ears. If this sort of immature babble is what President Obama is up against in November it is looking better and better for him with each passing day. You guys got smacked down the other day because SCOTUS didn’t carry your right wing water for you and you will get smacked down again in November.
You people are so blinded by your hate that you are incapable of even having a rational conversation on the issues that face us as Americans. If something doesn’t comport with what you already want to believe you retreat to your right wing echo chamber and hit the rewind button. Immature and idiotic.
The system of government we have in our nation has a way plundering its extremists, taking from them anything of value and leaving them nothing in exchange, not even gratitude. I think we are seeing that this is well underway at this point.
On a separate note, did you happen to see the footage of Republican representative Jean Schmidt and her reaction to the SCOTUS decision on healthcare? If you aren’t in the loop, Fox and CNN initially interpreted the lengthy and complicated decision as a being a defeat for the mandate. This is her reaction to that. Not unlike what a cow must sound like as it gives birth I would imagine. But I don’t live on a farm, so maybe some of you rural folk can tell me more accurately what farm animal the sound coming out of her mouth more accurately mimics. I wonder what farm animal she sounded like after she found out the real decision? I got a great laugh out of this! Please enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XsiiGqgjjs&feature=related
I do live on a farm, Cynical Wonder, and therefore I can help you out. The sound coming from your own post most resembles the bleating of a sheep.
Ah yes. Obama has a good week and all the sudden the mules are out braying…
Dear Cynical Wonder (Blunder) – Do you even know what system of government we have? You spoke loudly to Delia and demonstrated your ignorance for all to see. You’re one of those uneducated leftist liberals that have been brainwashed to follow orders!
Just to make sure you understand, we are in fact, a Constitutional Republic you moron! Go to the constitution and look it up (Article IV Sec. 4). That means we’re suppose to follow laws – heaven forbid we should do this, right? What happens if Obama and the Left solidify their base and become the masters of this country. How will the abuse of law and power then work to create a meaningful society? It can’t!
Yes, it’s contrary to your type of belief system. It also means that we are NOT a democracy as everyone has been lead to believe. Q: Do you side with the Founding Father’s and believe in The unanimous Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? How about the Bill of Rights? Or, are those stupid too? Or, do you sympathize with groups like the Democracy Project that wishes to bring us to a new system of government; a government that can allow the majority to dictate to everyone else how they should live?
It’s no use, you probably got lost on Constitutional Republic -
You should know that we live in a representative republic, not a democracy.
Let me show you the difference. In a respesentative republic, one moron can get offended by a cross and a moronic judge can order that cross taken down.
In a democracy it is mob rule and we can then vote every single one of you idiots out of power. Why? Because we outnumber you 80% to 20%.
Think of it – no more gay pride parades. No more gay friendly schools. Christianity will reign supreme and nativity scenes will be mandated on every courthouse lawn. Schools will have Christmas pageants and sing Christmas carols. No more renaming things to suit a pitiful few. Muslims will be told to shut up! And black people? Your race card is expired! We will be able to shut down the border and load up busloads of screaming hispanics and send them back over the border because we can. No more ACLU, CAIR, NAACP and any other alphabet soup phoney human rights groups. Abortion? Fagededaboutit! Flip side? Rapists with be hung. Child molesters – a slow hanging.
Get it? THAT is democracy! Mob rule! Think before you wish democracy on a country that has just about had it UP TO HERE with all the libbyland nonsense. And remember – we outnumber you 8-2.
The concept of rule of law was seriously damaged by Roberts specious argumentation in upholding Obamacare.
But he’ll keep getting invites to the cocktail parties of important people so it was worth it.
I’m beginning to suspect that Roberts is a closet RINO – or at least wants to be liked by the MSM and the elite left. Seems he’s fallen into that claptrap.
Rich,
You obviously have the background to provide additional information about the health care problems in the US. I would love to see a comparison with other countries on malpractice costs. How many countries with state run health care systems put limits on malpractice awards? How are lawyers who bring these suits compensated? How many lawyers who bring these suits achieve the wealth of John Edwards? Did Obamacare address this issue?
If our system was able to expand insurance coverage for those with prexisting conditions and if we could ensure that people could keep their coverage in the event of losing or changing their jobs, would emergency rooms be more aggressive about seeking compensation from people who now don’t bother to get insurance? Do other countries have the same problems with overuse of ERs? How do they avoid this problem?
It seems that the medical care problems in other countries are rarely mentioned in our debates, with the exception of the rare horror story from GB, yet these problems exist. Are there sufficient doctors in rural areas? Are there problems with doctor compensation such that young people no longer want to enter the field? Are there differences in waiting times for appointments between privately and publicly insured? What about differences in hospital accomodations? How rapidly are new procedures made available to the broad public?
Americans have been led to assume that all people elsewhere get top notch care. They deserve a better picture of the real situations.
Rich,
You obviously have the background to provide additional information about the health care problems in the US.
Which brings us back to lawyers, twice:
1) The health care system has been hosed up for decades by the rickety old FICA system that saddles doctors with bureaucracy, costs and hurdles… all without a legal basis.
2) Uncounted billions are squandered on defensive medicine, with rapacious lawyers abetted by cozy judges, who are lawyers in robes. It’s a great game, cuz everybody’s gonna go downhill and die sooner or later, which makes for a rich feeding ground.
Peter Ferrara reviewed John Goodman’s new book Patient Power a week ago, a detailed, informed and rational plan to improve healthcare by disassembling the perverse bureaucracy that has encrusted around doctors for two generations now. But for some reason, the tendency always seems to go negative, in the direction of less freedom, higher taxes, and lower quality.
Barack Hussein is the perfect man for the job of finalizing the permanent emplacement of socialism in this once great country.
APF said: “But for some reason, the tendency always seems to go negative, in the direction of less freedom, higher taxes, and lower quality. ”
This is not due to conspiracy but to the failure of parents, the school “system” and other educators, as well as the desires of those being taught to not question, evaluate and assess properly.
I work for a company that has a “safety model” that was probably drawn up by some post-grad or doctoral schmuck and was published in a book. Management demands that all employees adhere to it. When I was first exposed to it I said, “Nice chart…seems an awfully complicated way to employ simple, good sense.”
Point being that for some reason people don’t like the generic, time-proven, life-saving, self-preserving method. They are more impressed by a chart. But….haven’t there been stories written and movies shown about dorks with charts and the people who religiously follow them?
And…if a person is too stupid to employ good sense, what makes anyone think they’ll more quickly embrace a complicated (but very pretty) chart that requires them to memorize terms and procedures. And repeating it every meeting and making everyone drink from it is just annoying. I doubt it saves lives or equipment, simply because some GovCo employee said it was the “way things should be done”.
But more to your statement, those who make decisions seldom have good decision-making attributes. They are in their positions, not because of ability or talent, as in the past but because of their ability to politic their way to the job they wanted. And, the job they got is not something they wanted because they wanted to really expand the horizons of the outfit they work for, but because they demanded the status the job held.
Ineptitude is rampant in this country and decisions in corporate America are being made politically, not rationally, to completely disagree with Rush’s uptake on it. The disease that has settled into the soft tissue of our government is also in the same soft tissue of business.
It’s a generational failing and can be traced back to our education system and leniency of parents.
But, given that the more adroit of the population bell-curve go into the business world with the lesser-so’s going into government…the effect is that the business types do slightly better than the government types, as always, but don’t have any more real talent or ability than their government counterparts.
They might look sideways at each other but they are of the same branding. They were all taught from the same liberal lexicon offered by our education masters. Thus, they learned that popularity among their self-identifed peer groups is more important than actual decision-making that might make them unpopular with their co-equals. Thus, the company suffers and it ranks at the bottom of customer-satisfaction indexes, perpetually, while the management thinks they are really something.
I thought it was just the company I worked for until I did some internet investigating and found that it’s pervasive throughout many major industries. Incompetent leadership, social bigotry where the top won’t even acknowledge the working masses they employ and self-preservation above all else. Even to the point of “company-be-damned”.
This mentality has been very prevalent in our government for many years now and is also in our businesses in a big way. I’m not saying that they want us all to work 18 hours without a meal break and so on, though I think if the law allowed that, they would. I’m saying that they consider themselves very elite and very much more intelligent and superior.
Very odd phenomenon. But I recognize it as very cowardly and very haughty. The amount of respect that could be mustered if the higher-ups even tried to recognize us pogues would go a long way. Instead, they now hide and refuse to acknowledge us, except in a patronizing way.
It’s an endemic problem. It emanates from the core of societal America. It is destructive.
Man’s inhumanity to man, basically. We are slaves to our feral impulses; it’s a feature of human nature we doubtless will never manage to conquer.
Those books, pamphlets, charts, videos, SOP Manuals, and such are all about the safety of the company from lawyers. A safety chart shows that the company put in adequate measures and trained the employees in those measures. That way, when the stupid employee kills himself, the company defends itself from OSHA and the grieving family by showing the jury the chart and saying how he didn’t follow it.
Stupid rules are written to correct behavior that violates common sense. They end up being written because someone managed to behave in some stupid way that resulted in a failure mode nobody thought of.
I love the way you put that, Myth.
(Thounds like I’m lithping, dothen’t it?)
Yup, people do find new and creative ways to be stupid, don’t they?
I suppose it had to go that way.
Money spent on defensive medicine: $600Billion, as per Congressman Tom Price (R-GA), 25% of health care spending.
You can be sure that the beneficiaries of this scam are fighting hard to keep the status quo. This is yet another form of wealth redistribution, where the poor suckers who have for years been paying astronomical premiums, are having their hard earned dollars fly out the window to line the pockets of white-collar thieves dressed in attorney attire and lab coats.
If Obama wins reelection this November, O-Care will be just a small part of our problems, almost incidental.
That FeralCat, is an excellent point. The worker/saver people reading here this morning, I suggest that we had better get off our computers and iPad and go get a second or third job. 30M people just jumped into our wagons. Over the last 3 or 4 decades they were given “free” cookies. Now they are demanding a “free” glass of milk. They will not, nor do they have to, take no for an answer. Next stop, my guess, 401k money.
A 2nd or 3rd job? That is precisely the wrong attitude. What you should do instead is join the freeloaders. Become a burden on an unsustainable system rather than its overworked enabler.
You got that –almost– right. Work less, enjoy more! Go Galt!
FC, he will go full-on Commie if re-elected.
Pray for our Country ’tis of thee…sweet land of liberty… Once upon a dream…
Do you feel it slipping away?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Cynical Blunder:
I hope you die in a pile of pig sh*t.
You sock-puppet commie slimebag bunghole.
Dear Delia,
I was just wondering about something. When your significant other pleasures you down there do you sound anything like Representative Jean Schmidt? I am told that conservative women have a sort of bellowing moan similar to whet we hear from Rep. Schmidt. Thanks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XsiiGqgjjs&feature=related
@CW – wow! Delia must have really hit a nerve. You were really fuming to write such smut, weren’t you?
I hope the moderators cut you off.
The chances for repeal or major changes to the bill suffered a perhaps mortal blow.
Cowardly. I’m so sick of so-called experts who don’t have anything more to offer than this defeatist nonsense. Man up or shut up!
Agreed,
Rich stop reading The Washington Compost or The Boston Gooober. Beside I’m sick and tried of hearing that if Romney can’t win the latino vote he’s doom boloney. This election will not be decided by blacks, Latinos, the young or rich whites but rather by the largest minority group of white working stiffs. in Mass Scott Brown election was the precursor for 2010 election and Scott Walker is the preview for 2012. If 2010 election was a thunderstorm 2012 will be tsunami. Get real people Depredation is self inflicted disease get your A*****s off the chair and vote the future is in your hand.
Brava!
The central problem in all this is media. And when I say media that includes the schools, courts, pulpits, bureaucracies, papers, TV channels, the works. Isn’t it odd that there is such broad agreement that “liberalism” is obviously the right way to go, but the results are so bad? And I’m talking numbers here. Unless something has changed since my Economics 101 class in college, we are inevitably headed into a economic meltdown. But the country, with some significant exceptions, are bouncing along as if everything’s ok. One essayist in the pages recently opined that when the ruling elite are in broad agreement, that’s a sign of deep trouble. The $1.7 trillion price tag of socialized healthcare, and that’s a lowball figure, will be the least of our problems.
I have seen the effects of Socialist and Marxist thinking on the health care sector of three very different countries that I have lived in and the government control has in all cases led to falling standards and reduced availability of services. In the Marxist country, I remember people, after a long wait, seeing a doctor and getting a prescription. Then they had to find a pharmacy and pay for the scarce medicine – at inflated prices – out of their own pockets.
A good health care system has to find a sustainable way to provide an affordable service to the poorest, to reduce unnecessary visits to the doctor, to clear out hugely wasteful bureaucracy, to prevent obscene litigation – some patients will die unexpectedly despite having careful doctors and caring nurses – and to provide a fair wage to health care providers. However, it is disingenuous to say you are reforming health care by presenting a 2700 page bill that politicians must first approve and then be given the opportunity to examine. None of us would buy a house without seeing every room in the house – we may even go back a number or times before deciding – so why would any responsible politician buy into health care reform without seeing the details? None of us, if we are sensible, would sign a contract without carefully reading it even if a lawyer insisted that it is in our best interest? I am actually flabbergasted that the Supreme Court did not send this bill back to Congress and tell them to do their work properly.
And the United States was THE model to follow with medical insurance until GovCo got involved, seeing it as another cash cow to finance their utopian dreams.
People, in general and a person, in particular, learn to manipulate at a very young age and some are better at it than others. But in the national socialists’ views, manipulation is mandatory in order to achieve “fairness” above all else.
Interestingly, my mind’s eye always paints a national socialist as never looking behind them to see the results of the grenade they rolled into the room and then walked away from. Only a look of smug satisfaction at punishing yet another purveyor of “unfairness”.
“THE model”?
Clearly, you’ve never been past the borders of the US. Most countries look on our health system with unmitigated horror. Great hospitals, great clinics and research – the US and France are the world leaders in this, and that’s really something to be proud of – but truly abysmal availability of that capacity for those in the lowest income brackets. If you don’t have a job, or have any of a number of jobs – especially in retail, contractor work (often including IT) or are on casual, you may well be working full time, but getting no medical benefits, and not earning enough to have private insurance.
Or, you might have a pre-existing condition. In which case you will not get insurance. Ever.
ACA is not my choice for this. There are many better models – Australia’s Medicare, Canada’s Single-Payer – that would do the job better, for cheaper. But I do not blame the President or the Democrats for passing ACA – I blame the intransigent extremists on the Republican side (by no means all of them, just, unfortunately, enough) who wouldn’t face the problem as it existed. Who insisted there was no problem. Who were wrong. And who prevented a more moderate solution.
ACA’s here, and we’re going to have to live with it. Don’t believe a Republican dominated Congress would remove it now – that would be “third rail” level political suicide. We can just hope that in a generation or so, when the current crop of extremists on both sides have managed to get themselves kicked to the curb as surplus to sanity, we can get a bipartisan correction that makes a little more sense.
Quit blaming the “right.” Why don’t you blame the left with it’s open door policy that has allowed illegals to use emergency rooms like a primary care service bring in babies with diaper rash to gum up the service and then never paying a dime for what they use?
The poor have always had access to health care. They even had access to welfare insurance in the form of medicare. Some fell through the cracks, but those were fixable. What has crushed and bankrupted most hospitals is the insistance that we provide FREE care to those who don’t belong in this country – and providing care for 70 million freeloaders without thinking it’s not a drain is wishful thinking.
The reason I don’t blame the let is because the left isn’t the problem. Nor is the right – as I said, it’s the extremists on the far right who need (and receive) my opprobrium. And they do so because they are the ones that blocked every previous attempt at more moderate and effective legislation, back when more moderate reform would have been effective.
Unfortunately, it won’t now. Lolly, you clearly have an unsound idea on who and how many of the current uninsured can access the US Medicare system – while it’s a fine program, which helps a lot of people, qualification for it is not that easy, and it is available to only a very limited range of people. If you’re a reasonably healthy person under 65, there is no possibility of Medicare assistance, regardless of your income.
Now, too many people have “fallen through the cracks” for minor reforms to solve the problem. And the ACA was what could get passed.
I’ve read the horror stories, Puzz!
People being put in broom closets at hospitals…
Elderly people not given proper medical treatment and left to die instead of being treated for something that could spare their life (like antibiotics for pneumonia).
Scary.
The mandate, now labeled a tax, is a revenue item that can be repealed with the same 51 votes. The filibuster-proof 60 votes needed for repeal before the decision are no longer required.
To quote Mike Franc, the Heritage Group’s VP of Government Studies:
Now that the individual mandate has acquired the official constitutional status of a “tax”, there is no longer any doubt that the Congress, and more specifically the Senate, can repeal it pursuant to the simple majority vote threshold available under the Budget Act’s reconciliation process.
Read more of my article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/still_a_bfd_obama_loses.html#ixzz1zGy8MXOW
While it would have been eminently more preferable had the SCOTUS tossed the whole damned thing, at least now it is politically much more appealing to promise to repeal a tax than to take away a so-called entitlement.
The only unknown factor will be the political will for Romney and a Republican majority to do this. And the establishment have not been known to have spines and/or cojones.
G-d help us.
You’ll have about as much luck with that as you will repealing the FICA tax. Once people start getting and enjoying the health care benefits it will be impossible to take them away. It pretty much is now with the Supreme Courts blessing.
Cynical Blunder:
I hope you die in a pile of horse manure.
You sock-puppet commie slimebag bunghole.
Delia, please cease the mindless gibberish. Gratuitous insults are merely the detritus of a tiny mind.
Sure, go after Obamacare with reconciliation. But don’t stop there. I think we must take up the Left’s war cry: “By any means necessary.” Whatever Obama has done, we can now do with no remorse.
Bore holes in the bill from any and all angles. Issue waivers to all states and organizations. Refuse to enforce the law whenever possible. Pass additional bills that make Ocare impossible. Nothing is off the table.
Outright lawfare. Sounds good to me.
November is the Alamo for all freedom loving Americans. It has come down to this simple fact that the USA will have the government it deserves after this election. The burden of fighting big government has fallen squarely on the shoulders of the people. The congress is not necessarily an ally nor is the surpreme court nor is the so called watchdog media. All of these institutions like big government because it puts them at the center of power and allows them to rule over us like the kings of europe in the middle ages. So the fight is down to the wire in November and there is no substitute for absolute and unconditional victory. A clear message needs to be sent to liberals and the media who created this train wreck but a message also needs to be sent to the RINOs in our midst. We do not want nor will we accept any further dissolution or diminishment of our liberties whether it is dictates on light bulbs, size of soft drinks, banning oil drilling, forcing us to accept propaganda science like man made global warming, and a one size fits all monolithic but moronic government run health care. A reader has already said it perfectly. Stop whining and man up for this fight. We either take back our country or accept the tyranny that awaits us under this incompetent marxist who we continue to fight.
You better get busy because it is starting to slip away …
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Cynical Blunder:
I hope you die in a pile of Commie Bastid Vomit.
You sock-puppet commie slimebag bunghole.
If this is not legislating from the bench, then there is no such creature. Roberts betrayal goes beyond abandoning conservative principles. This is a breach of the constitution, the likes of which has not been seen in the past six decades. Roberts was punked in to lawlessness by the president of lawlessness, barack insane obama. hobama chumped him during the state of the union and after the oral arguments on this case. Roberts is less than a man, and worse than a coward. May he take a long walk on a short peer during a category five hurricane…
Calm down and think. If nothing else, getting rid of Roberts now does us no good, because it would be Obama choosing his replacement, and we’d wind up with someone far worse than Roberts. So let’s save the talk of creating a vacancy on the Court until after Obama is out of office.
And just how would you get rid of Roberts? Supreme Court justices are appointed for life.
Hard or not, Obamacare and all the Orwellian laws passed by the Marxists will have to be ripped out by the roots.
I’ve thought Roberts was trying to do a Marbury v. Madison thing, via Jay Cost and Sean Trend, but the more I read the less I think so. I agree with the commentators here who say we have to man up. It was ultimately stupid to trust the courts, or to hope Roberts would save our bacon. With the other four conservatives wanting to through it all out, Roberts could have done so, fini. What was the point of saying Oh, we can’t have a five-four decision against Obamacare and ending up with a five-four decision against the people?
But I think William L. Gensert at 6. is quite right. We have the authority of the Supreme Court to call it a tax and dump it via reconciliation–if necessary.
Time will tell. But at least, if we win, we’ll have done it ourselves.
God help us, indeed.
An Préachán
I suspect that Roberts was “persuaded”.
Oh boo hoo, the world is coming to an end this November. Sure, and people never, ever, thought that we would win as big as we did in 2010. Was 2010 an accident? If Obama was running for president in 2010, would he have won? Yet you could really make a case that things now are A LOT worse today than they were in 2010, especially now that Obamacare is the law of the land. And if things were as bad as you say they are, Romney’s campaign would not have made well over $4 million in the 24 hours after the Supreme Court decision. This money is coming from somewhere and some really angry people are giving it to him. Will the election be close? You know, with all the anger and enthusiasm now on the side of the Republicans, I can’t see why 2012 will not be as successful as 2010, especially if the economy stays as bad as it is.
Will this be an easy election to win? No election is easy to win. But there is no reason to believe that we can’t win as big as we did in 2010, especially now with everything that has happened in the last week. And we have not even talked about the Fast and Furious scandal. If both Obama and Holder are tied to this in a big way, it will be only one more reason not to vote for Obama. Also, with Obama’s new love for gay marriage, he may actually LOSE some support from African-Americans in this country (just look at North Carolina and how they voted on gay marriage). So I think that if we maintain our enthusiasm like we did in 2010, we will win and win big. But, as in everything worth having in life, we’re going to have to work hard at it. So stop worrying and let’s get to work.
“So I think that if we maintain our enthusiasm like we did in 2010, we will win and win big.”
But we’re not; we’ve been in circular firing squad mode since the run-up to the ’10 election. It hadn’t gotten bad enough to damage our electoral constituencies and we did well in ’10, but the cracks were open and apparent and cost us some seats. We’re on the verge of doing to ourselves over who is a “true conservative” what the Byzantines did to themselves over icons. They were too busy fighting over doctrine to adequately address the existential threat of the Muslims. We are too busy fighting over doctrine to adequately address the threat of the communists. Up until the ’70s Democrats and Republicans had significantly different views of American political life but neither of them was dedicated to destroying the America of the Founders as todays communist-led Democrats are. But, rather than face the existential threat to America posed by the left, a huge percentage of self-identified conservatives if not necessarily self-identified Republicans want to stay home or vote third party because they think Romney “isn’t a conservative.” And if I were George Soros, I’d be funding all the Ron Paul insurgencies around the Country.
Absolutely, why, without another establishment republican like Romney and W how will will get more justices like Roberts?
The problem isn’t the “circular firing squad” the problem is that the wrong side won, again. “We” can’t win this election because there isn’t a viable candidate in it.
“But, rather than face the existential threat to America posed by the left, a huge percentage of self-identified conservatives if not necessarily self-identified Republicans want to stay home or vote third party because they think Romney “isn’t a conservative.””
He definitely isn’t. Romneycare would not have happened if he were.
Quite likely, Obamacare would not have happened if Romney were right of center.
The man has no good idea of what government should not attempt to do.
We need a fundamental change in direction, and Romney’s not it. I will not help the establishment Republicans who like business as usual coast the country off a cliff at a slower speed.
Business as usual poses the existential threat to America. You, Art, are a self-declared part of that.
First, Romney was not my first choice, and I really didn’t like any of the candidates that stood for the nomination. Second, Romney is from Michigan, a state owned by the UAW, and was elected Governor of Massachusetts, a state owned by the left. He was a Republican governor with a Democrat Legislature that had the votes to do whatever it wanted and a Democrat court system that would say it was OK. Now, I guess a principled “true conservative” wouldn’t even have run in a state like MA, wouldn’t even live there, so I guess Romney isn’t a conservative because he lived in and was elected in MA.
Since he had a Democrat legislature that could do what it wanted, he really had two choices: He could play Don Quixote and veto everything and just have them over-ride and get it anyway and thus lose any influence over the legislature, or, he could try to get the best he could in legislation that was inevitable, using the veto as a bargaining tool. You may have enough knowlege and experience in politics to remember that Reagan guy who used that veto as bargaining tool strategy a lot. MA was going to have a state-mandated healthcare system; Romney’s only choice was in whether he would have any influence on it.
You CANNOT become President without carrying at least some Purple and nominally Blue states and you have to carry a lot of nominally Red states that have big Blue cities in them. You WILL make some compromises with leftist positions or you will never get elected President, or even win statewide office in most states including some very Red states. Goldwater couldn’t even carry all the former Confederate states and, frankly, wouldn’t have carried the Lower South had it not been for his opposition to federal civil rights legislation. Reagan himself had the benefit of a Democrat opposition in disarray and in ’80 an incumbent President who’d faced significant opposition in his own Party. No matter the mythology today, Reagan governed by compromising with the Democrats, though in those days there were still quite a few Democrats that weren’t communists. That “true conservative” darling Sarah Palin governed Alaska almost entirely with Democrat support and gave them the confiscatory taxes on the oil industry and a profit rather than production based taxation scheme that they’d been dying for for thirty years and prevented from having by Republicans. ‘Course, she’s not around to take the heat for Alaska’s dramatically declining oil production because of our high taxes.
If you think that ANYONE could get elected President on a platform of dramatic reduction in the size of the federal government including elimination of specific departments and curtailment of entitlement programs, you’re in for some long elections and short election nights; the winner will be called ten minutes after the first East Coast polls close and it won’t be your guy. The left built the federal leviathan over a hundred years; you aren’t going to destroy the leviathan in one election or even ten and that means you have to run and govern on the basis of taking what is on the table.
If we were really ready for a true change in direction, we’d be pushing for real health care reforms: Cutting back funding for both Medicare & Medicaid, allowing private health care insurance portability with a smorgasboard of different plans that are more finely tailored to individual needs. But nooooooooo. These are sacred cows that no one really wants to touch; this goes for both sides of the aisle. SS is another matter that no one wants to tackle. Look up Galveston TX for an example of how opting out of SS & going for private sources of retirement planning do far better than SS funding will ever do.
There really is no point in getting one’s toga all wadded up about how “conservative” Romney is or is not. He certainly is far more conservative than Obama. AFAIK, Romney doesn’t hate the country & does appreciate the value of free enterprise & realizes that an economic recovery can only be forged by the private sector with gov’t getting out of the way. But hey, you go on with your plan to either stay home in November or vote Ron Paul. If there are enough other voters who take this approach we will indeed be stuck with Obama for another four years. A fine kettle-of-fish brand of business as usual that will be.
Wouldn’t Romney like to equalize the tax exemptions between the privately insured and those covered by employer plans? This would give people more freedom and, if insurers are allowed to compete, more options among private plans. I think this could move us in the direction you want.
Electing Romney is step one.
Getting rid of Romney will probably be step two.
Many other steps will be necessary.
You left out the biggest hurdle in repealing ObamaCare – RomneyCare. Romney’s argument to date has been that ObamaCare, the Son of RomneyCare, was an unconstitutional exercise of Federal Power. He now has to explain why RomneyCare is great for Massachusetts but is bad for the other 49 states. Santorum was right about one thing, if the election is to be decided on ObamaCare then Romney isn’t the right person to carry the fight.
“He now has to explain why RomneyCare is great for Massachusetts but is bad for the other 49 states.”
Massachusetts is a State, encouraged to experiment. Indeed that experimentation is acknowledged in our founding documents. So no, Romney does not have to explain anything to anyone, except those ignorant of our system of government. Unfortunately, there appears to be quite a few among us who are ignorant.
Good grief, Romney just lost the election. Romney’s claim, which you parrot, is that RomneyCare was a proper exercise of State Power but ObamaCare is an improper exercise of Federal Power. The Supreme Court just invalidated that argument. So now when Romney campaigns on “Repeal and Replace” what he’s really saying is “RomneyCare is good for Massachusetts but RomneyCare is bad for the USA”. Romney also says repeatedly that RomneyCare has been extremely successful, so don’t you think one brave debate moderator will ask “Governor Romney, we all agree that ObamaCare mirrors the State Health Care plan that you enacted, and that program has been widely heralded as a success, so why do you want to deny the citizens of the other States that very same, very successful plan?”
The factors that make ObamaCare an unmitigated disaster also make RomneyCare (and the efforts in Maine, Hawaii, Oregon, and Tennessee) unmitigated disasters. Romney either has to admit that RomneyCare is an abject failure, which it is, or agree that a nationalized version of RomneyCare is the best way forward. But he’ll do neither, instead he’ll twist himself into a pretzel and lose all credibility. Why vote for the White Obama when you’ve got the real thing?
Mitt Romney is not the guy you want carrying the standard opposing nationalized health care unless you’re secretly supporting nationalized health care.
Romney’s only chance of winning is to man up and admit that Romneycare was a mistake; one that he’s learned from.
Unfortunately, his ego won’t allow him to make that admission, ever.
So he’s left with unconvincing complicated arguments that no one really believes.
We now know what electing a pothead, cocaine-snorting affirmative action president gets us. Roberts’ drug use for his brain disorder should be reason enough to impeach him. What the hell is America doing with a drug addict president and a Chief Justice with a known brain disorder designing our futures? Screwed, well and hard, we are.
Bigotry against epileptics is so dated, it’s not funny.
It’s not bigotry to not want someone with a seizure disorder making life-and-death decisions on behalf of myself or of The Republic. I don’t want it in my bus driver, my brain surgeon, my President, or my Chief Justice. Medically disqualifies one for the position on my payroll.
You obviously are not aware of how well modern medical regimens for disorders of this type really are. Do some research.
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arework.Wrong again, bobbcat. I went to medical school. I’ve been intimately associated with anti-seizure drugs for over 30 years. They don’t repair the damage; they adversely effect the CNS, thinking, and moods. Roberts is medically unfit.
Where is the evidence that Roberts is on anti-seizure medication?
The world is full of people who are on anti-seizure regiments who function normally & adequately. I am not sure what planet you hail from.
That’s my medical opinion, made from whole cloth fairy fabric, just like Roberts’ piece-de-feces majority opinion. Everybody’s got one, an opinion. His just needs wiping and flushing; it’s stinking up the country.
This ruling is nothing less than
The John Roberts Enabling Act of
19332012Back in 2010 quite a few commentators were writing and saying that the dems were in fine shape for the election because voters would come to their senses about the recently signed into law healthcare bill. Closer to the election they also suggested things to the effect that voters’ putrid racist insides would turn to mush if they voted against the dems.
Even before the Obamacare was made law Obama’s polling numbers were in free fall. It’s a safe bet that some of the people that tell pollsters that they are for O are the kind of people that under any circumstance will intimate in any way that they are racist by not being for O. This same phenomenon happened prior to the Mid-Terms.
The author’s piece was a nice get-out-the-vote article though.
The realization we must accept is that reasoning with lefties is as useless an exercise as reasoning with any other type of religious fanatics. Shove them the hell out of the way, because the only useful thing you can get into their heads is a bullet. If it comes to that, the previous civil war will be the good old days.
For the sake of the mirage of top notch health care for all, regardless of cost or your own laziness and self destructive stupidity, these people are blithely willing to destroy the economy that supports it all.
I find it interesting that people are discussing the health care implications of the health care bill.
IT ISN’T ABOUT HEALTH CARE.
of course it will destroy health care ..just like the war on poverty increased poverty.
HOW MUCH MORE TIME ARE CONSERVATIVES GOING TO BE LOST IN THE MAZE THAT THE LIBERALS FOIST ON THEM.
This article is the equivalent of a hissy fit. It makes almost no sense.
Nobody but John Roberts knows what he was going for, but he isn’t stupid, so he probably wasn’t going for “stupid”, as many conservatives seem to think. The other hissy fit belief is that he sold out, which is a lot more credible explanatiion, but not a certainty by a long shot. The man may legitimatly believe that the court overturning such a significant law is the wrong thing to do. He may also think that calling a tax a tax will expose the mostrosity for what it is. And he may also have a better perspective on the country than the hissy fitters.
Throwing the bill out, even though I agree with the people who think it is blatantly unconstitutional, might have deepened the rifts in this country. The left would have portrayed it as Fort Sumter.
Seems to me that there is still a damn good chance to defeat the thing, and defeat it with a resounding majority. It is certainly at least worth considering that the legislative approach is better than having 5 Solons create a furor that wouldn’t die away for generations.
If we can’t take our country back, I’m not dumb enough to blame it on 5 people in robes.
BRAVO !
This is what we need, we need to start the war against the subversive brainwashing.
And the subversive brainwashing begins in and with each one of us, it is each one of us that needs to go back to being a true American. Starting from: assuming the responsibility for what happens.
Liberals whine and accuse.
True Americans work at finding solutions.
Before reading your post I was going to post a sarcastic comment:
war is war and war is war.
We cannot win back the Republic if we don’t understand that we must face the fight with absolute determination and unending commitment.
And we must be an example of the virtues that made this Country great.
I’m with you, S.Z. This fraud that is called a health care law WILL BE REPEALED. Make no mistake about that. Now we see what real men are made of; real men get stronger and more courageous when confronted with societal suicide.
The left won’t know what hit them by the time we finish cutting them down to size. For this attack on America and for all the other myriad destructions of our civilization, they will pay a dear price.
Sherab Zangpo:
You can’t “win back the Republic” until you have killed all the communists and non tax paying residents of this once great land. Do you think it will happen?
You are right about one thing; the Republic is lost. And well on the way to being replaced by the United Nations. Wishing won’t get it done.
I am looking at what is happening in the long term:
the subversives have conquered media and schools and this has allowed them to put a commie in the White House.
Our fighting back will not be a “one move” war. We must fight for political victories and we must keep pushing for the cultural revolution against the subversives.
BUT
Any battle that we lose will destroy more wealth and more opportunity…it will make life difficult but it will make us stronger because the only thing that the subversives can promise is poverty and dictatorship.
The more they win, the more people will understand.
It is paradoxical, but it is what has happened all along the second part of the XX century.
That’s why we need strong character.
We need to stay on the offensive for decades.
People — Forget race, or culture wars. The Silent Majority has been awakened sufficiently to be outraged. This decision is merely the icing on the outrage cake. Remember, Reagan was down around 20 points to Carter on the night of his nomination acceptance speech. The outrage of the Silent Majority was heard loudly in the results of that election. I strongly suspect this one could be ear shattering.
Like the Dred Scott decision, this will produce a civil war. I don’t expect an Election in November. If the pundits spinning this as a victory are correct and this will create a massive groundswell of public opinion, then The Obumbler will read the polls and find a way to stop the election.
What you gonna do then? What’s you gonna do when they come for you?
Remember the first Civil War happened because the Democrats rejected the results of an election, not because they tried to stop one. And besides, the left is delusional. There will be an election, but I cannot say what lies on the other side of it.
This November – we will (in no uncertain term) find out if America is still the land of the free and the home of the brave.
So in that spirit, I hereby nominate #4 Moira (man up or shut up) for Vice President. Because what we desperately need at this time is a Maggie Thatcher to remind us all of the very same. But since no one has really stepped forward into that role, Moira… you’re it.
This November will also show us how many were just talking the talk and how many actually walked the walk to volunteer and help out in the election. If the events of the last three and a half years didn’t get you mad or livid enough to go out there… I don’t know what will.
Many here are spot on… this is now up to us, all conservatives and mainstream Americans.
To repeal and replace Obamacare, we simply must repeal and replace Obama.
To say nothing of the rapidly approaching fiscal train-wreck.
Well, if you want to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act then Romney seems like the very last person you would want doing it. The ACA and Romneycare in Mass. are cut from the same cloth. Romney even recommended that President Obama use Romneycare as a template at the federal level. he did this several times and in his very own words. Albeit he uses the word “penalty” but for all intensive purposes it functions the very same way. I would thing it is tenuous at best to think that the father of the ACA will repeal it even though that’s what he says. Based on Romney’s past changing positions there is no evidence as to why anyone should believe him ‘this time.’
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romneys-suggested-three-times-in-2009-that-o
Romney is all yours now. Enjoy!
GREAT slogan, scottK: REPEAL AND REPLACE Obama — I want to see this everywhere on bumper stickers across this great land. America is great, and its enemies must be defeated!
How about some “reverse psychology” — on a bumper sticker, like
CAN’T repeal OBAMA
My money says it will animate “gazillions” to answer “Yes, we can” — at the polls! Where it really counts!
I agree, man up and win the election. Now the voters will have a choice: vote for handsome Obama and his pretty wife and two nice daughters, and get Obamacare and no jobs, or vote for Romney (like him or not) and get rid of Obamacare. No middle ground.
Um…..I think you’re giving Ann Romney a bit of a short shrift here. She is far more attractive than Michelle Obama could ever pretend to be. I know….”Beauty is in the eye……”
Well, with Romney we would get an Outsourcer and Offshorer in Chief selling out American jobs to China and India. He’s destroyed enough hard working American families. We don’t need him destroying anymore. We need an Insourcer in Chief to keep the jobs here where they belong.
We just need to extirpate the parasites and idiots like you.
Then how will you compromise with them, Art?
We could do without idiots like you too, Tom. I can only conclude that you’ve never done anything politically or had any position of power or influence, because if you had, you wouldn’t be so effin’ dumb.
@Art Chance,
Your smooth words convince all the country’s about to be in the best of hands.
“…the country’s about to be in the best of hands.”
If it’s most anyone but Obama, that will be true, relatively speaking.
Yeah, because the modern liberal states of America have had no role in outsorcing and offshoring to cheaper labor and manufacturing entities off shore. You people are laughable…
Cynical Blunder:
I hope you die in a bucket of menses.
You sock-puppet commie slimebag bunghole.
Atta girl Delia! Show us all what your made of! Some are into girls like you who talk trash when they’re getting rammed in the behind. It means they like it and want it harder. The fat ones are even more fun (I hear). I’m sure you fit the bill in every way! Have a great Fourth of July weekend! x-o
You hear?
LOL!
The way you create jobs and keep jobs in the US is by cutting the cost of doing business here: tort reform, fewer regulations, lower taxes, lower energy costs, lowering the cost of health care by making insurance portable across state lines and using health savings accounts: Romney’s platform. You destroy jobs (and drive them overseas) by raising taxes, increasing regulation, increasing uncertainty, and throwing away money on “green” crony capitalism: Obamanomics. Result: no permanent jobs being created under Obama. Net new jobs are part time and temporary (agency hires). No employer dares add employees to payroll under Obama.
and with you we get the typical liberal/progressive/democrat party of fisting, sycophantic, pseudo-intellectual psycho babble ! i’m sure you’re the most smartest and ejakated idiot ever to flatulate ignorant nonsense at the huffington compost and stink progress. oh yeah, kevin jennings called and says he left his astroglide on your nightstand !
“God bless America, land that I love. Stand beside her and guide her through the night with a light from above.”
Praise God and pass the ammunition! Our votes are all that stand between us and Greece.
This exposes the fatal flaw in the US Constitution. After changing the way Senators are elected, it was certain the Federal Government (Federals) would eventually seize complete power. The Roberts opinion is just one of the more obvious steps along the way.
Most have thought the Federals of SCOTUS would serve as Plato’s “Guardians”. But, as critics noted, who guards the Guardians? The flaw, without the States electing Senators, there is no check on the Federals except an Article V convention. Effectively, the States have zip control on limitation of power except as the Federals of SCOTUS opine. I.E., there is no opposition to check them on a routine basis.
We need an Article V Convention and pass at least one Amendment to provide a Super Supreme States Court that decides whether the Federals of SCOTUS are honest guardians of the States, the enumerated powers and limitations imposed by the Constitution. Short of that, time to join the Democrat Every Moocher For Themselves Party.
Fine article, but I think this bit’s adrift:
…this will be motivation for the Tea Party and may get Mitt Romney out of the shadows and out making his case on this and other issues a bit more.
Despite all efforts by media everywhere, the Tea Party still doesn’t exist in the minds of most of its members and never will. That’s in no way a bad thing. Local tea parties abound, alternating between noisy and quiet as needs demand, applying pressure locally, also as needed. The punditry, certainly the Washington elites, seem unable to cope with the idea that all politics is still local (how many years since Tip O’Neil said that?).
Very simple, really: nobody is better suited to smelling the political crap in the local breeze than…the locals. It remains an enduring source of power and all small tea parties know it, though it won’t prevent media temper tantrums — most recently from the elderly pantomime dame James Carville herself — and will keep the grandees at both DNC and RNC looking for an easy target that will never materialize. IMO the tea parties won’t appear in force until well into September or October.
As for Romney, he’s still seen by many as a highly unattractive candidate. Hardly news, but the challenge is for those of us who believe he’s unfit for office to retain enough enthusiasm to vote for him to prevent the greater evil. As for all those GOP blowhards who blathered a few weeks back about the need to go to war with the generals you have… gimmestrength.
The best news in all this, which tends (fortunately) to undercut your arguments somewhat, is that opinion polls may now be untrustworthy as never before. Many a good tea partier is moved to lie to pollsters and canvassers of all stripes in all circumstances, and the ubiquitous cell phone has messed up polling techniques. We pray for forgiveness like St. Augustine, a little late.
Tea partiers are hardly the only ones who very likely lie to pollsters. The only “poll” that really matters…….
#7 Tommy Gunn, “November is the Alamo for all freedom loving Americans.” The men of the Alamo knew they were going to lose, they were fighting nothing but a delaying battle. They were nothing but dead men walking. How about we compare it to the battle of the bulge or the fight at Hue City where things looked hopeless but we won anyway?
As to Roberts reason for his decision I’m torn between reading the book when it comes out or waiting for the movie where he explains his motives. I sure can’t tell from what’s been said so far.
US Constitution
Amendment 28
– The 16th Amendment to the US Constitution is hereby repealed effective 3 years from certification of the adoption of this Amendment by 3/4ths of the States.
Amendment 29
– The 17th Amendment to the US Constitution is hereby repealed effective immediately after certification of the adoption of this Amendment by 3/4ths of the States. Senatorial seats scheduled for election after adoption of this amendment will retain the same schedules but their seats will be filled by the various States Legislatures.
Amendment 30
– Supreme Court Justices, formally appointed for life, will be subject to affirmation of a 3/4 majority of the Senate 10 years from the first date of their office, and every ten years subsequent. Justices not so confirmed will serve to the end of the then current Presidential election cycle. Nominations for Senate approval to fill the vacancies will be made by the successor in the next Presidential election. Justices not having received said affirmation will not be eligible for re-appointment to the Supreme Court.
Amendment 32
– Congress shall make no law that forces active participation by any individual or state in any commercial endeavor or action. The taxing power of Congress shall not extend to taxing non-participation in any activity and shall only apply to actions taken by citizens. No act of congress shall compel any action of any state by withholding monies derived from taxes which citizens of that state were compelled to pay into the Federal treasury.
Let’s take our country back.
Love potential Amendments 28, 29, and 32. #30 might be better if the President who can make the nomination NOT be the current one (reelection). Furthermore, what will be done if Senate disagreements cause Supreme Court vacancies (SC quorum?)? #31 is left to our collective imaginations.
No Quorum is required on the SCOTUS. There is even no specific number of Justices required IIRC. There have been vacancies before (shortly filled) but a vacancy would motivate the Senate to reach agreement… In any case the basic problem is lifetime tenure. We must have an “automatic” way to remove dis-functional Justices like Roberts. The consequences of forcing a difficult approval vote to remain in the office would be easier to deal with than trying to try someone like Roberts for treason or impeach him for “bad behavior”… That will just never happen even if it should. I expect if this rule were in place, Ginsberg, Stevens, and Breyer would be gone…. and the Warren court would have had a different personality… just think of all the bad law that has resulted from Life Tenure. SCOTUS needs stability but must be accountable to The People, otherwise we have an autocracy… The Founders missed on this one as well as lack of specificity in the Commerce Clause to limit it to inter-state commercial transactions only.
“31″ had to do with reinforcing the 2nd Amendment. Left it out thinking Big Brother might get upset…. Forgot to renumber.. my bad.
Flat tax, anyone?
Just repeal the never properly confirmed 16th Amendment… The Congress critters will figure it out and come up with a way to generate revenue that is transaction based as it should be.
This is a classic display of Chicago-style thuggery in action.
Chief Justice Roberts was targeted by the New Left and several of its lead organizations .
Among New Left’s constellation of abetting and willing accomplices were its fellow traveling minions in every corner of social media, OWS’ers, Congressional Progressive Caucus, Congressional Black Caucus, and deep pocketed WALL STREETERS (see, this last group bet on certain stocks appreciating in value and with Justice Roberts decision, they did).
The New left and their minions organized a campaign along with Congressional Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and its constellation of willing accomplices to target Justice Roberts in: 1) Public Opinion,2) Halls of academia (articles in his alma mater’s paper), 3) local newspapers in his town, 4) letter writing campaign to his address, 5) individuals “hanging around” family members, 6) spreading innuendos in and around his residence, 7) local TV ad campaigns, 8) email threats, and 9) Obama’s administration.
For fear of what this may result in for both his personal safety and family members, Justice Roberts finessed this onslaught of threats, innuendoes and out-and-out boorishness by agreeing to ACA, but with a Taxing purview…dropping ACA back in Congress’s lap.
New Left crowed it had won, Obama cheered his victory, and Nancy Pelosi was vindicated.
But the party is over. This because Congress now has full authority to decide ACA’s fate.
In order for this to happen, per Justice Robert’s own words, citizens and their elected Representatives will have to sort it out. This means, of 2008′s total voter turn out numbers, an additional 8 to 10 million must be added to the “White” catagory. This will be necessary because the “Black, Hispanic, and Asian” catagories are rising by double (and in some cases, triple digit voter turnout numbers), estimated to increase over 2008 by some 6 or 7 million voter turnout numbers in 2012.
Constitutional Conservatives must, must energize their neighbors, friends, church leaders and flock alike, towns, and states to vote for Senate and Congressional candidates willing to fight for America and its future. Don’t let happen in their precincts what happened in Utah with Orrin Hatch (he won because Tea Partiers didn’t think the election mattered).
If this isn’t done. New Left and its fellow travelers will not only re-elect a Chicago Thug and his accomplices, but populate the Supreme Court with like minded Judges, as well as every judicial, legislative branch in America with their fellow travelers. Arise America. Justice Roberts handed We The People the torch, it is ours to do him justice. God Bless America. Amen.
OR, it could be that Justice Roberts decided to protect and defend the Constitution that he was sworn to uphold and not carry water for the extremist element of a political party. That’s certainly another possibility that you might consider. Apparently the moniker, “Constitutional Conservative” is only applicable when the justice in question rules the way you would like. Time to grow up.
Cynical blunder…
Taxed for just being alive…
Go join a Commie country if you want communism, you worthless twat with a keyboard.
Delia! You enchanting little temptress, you! Is this how you treat all the guys that pleasure you with the butt of a rifle?
Oops, I meant “cattle prod” not “rifle.”
Clinical wonder,
You need meds.
Obama, Holder, Ayers, the Black Caucus and La Raza, Bill Clinton, Hillary and Huma, Valerie, Samantha, the Czars, are gathering an Army of Public Defecators, Occupiers, Rapists, Pedophiles, Academic Whoredom, Degenerate Hollywood Zombies, Race Hustlers, Flash Mobs, Slave Traders, Human Traffickers, Clueless Dupes, and a vast assortment of filth and offal, to aid and abet The Brotherhood, Sleeper Cells, and all other enemies and haters of America here and abroad, to take our country down.
…you forgot Boehner from your list
go make your own list?
OK, just an academic question here, no conspiracy theories….. But how would one, if one were so inclined, “get to” a CJ OF SCOTUS if one needed him to reverse a historically crucial vote with such radically absurd rationalization that he would necessarily appear not merely to be a fool, but a damned traitorous fool? I’m just not convinced that enhanced DC cocktail party “cred” answers the question.
like maybe a . . . ?
forbid, an . . .?
Perhaps the answer lurks somewhere in the history of Chicago politics, of which Obama is a product.
If, as suggested, Romney as president used waivers or Taxes of the New Kind, etc., to thwart the results of this latest revolting development (as Chester A. Riley would say), his moves would be challenged in the courts, and in the end, everything Romney did that the Roberts court allowed in Obama’s case the Roberts court would rule unconstitutional.
really quite simple, you just need people with integrity and honesty.
Okay, first Roberts claims that ObamaCare is an abuse of the Commerce Cause. Then he claims that it is really tax and is therefore legal due to the General Welfare clause.
Confused?
I say that the pea is under the other thimble.
GOP governors open up new line of attack on Obamacare thanks to SCOTUS. GOP Governors can KILL Obamacare. Hold their feet to the fire. http://www.redstate.com/derkrieger/2012/06/30/can-gop-governors-kill-obamacare/
I’m afraid thanks to roberts, we went from the penthouse to the alamo. Really, with 50% of likely voters in the Obama camp, everything’s over but the shouting.
Roberts may be smart, but he’s as corrupt as Obama. If he weren’t, we wouldn’t be in this fix.
You know what’s coming in the next four years? More secrets let go. A neutered military. Another recession, then tremendous inflation. Am I telling anyone anything they don’t know, or at least sense?
Obama is selling the carrot of a free lunch to the poor people who respond to this type of ObamaLie; insurance to all with Obamacare and a special dispensation if you can’t afford it.
He’s selling the people swayed by the mainstream media a bunch of unquestioned lies that’ll tide him over till post election. Even when evidence he’s lying comes out, newspapers TV stations don’t print it. The framers talked of a free press. A free press is part of the past.
This country is half dead; I’m counting the half of likely voters; people who suck up Obama’s lies every day. The other half of the country is in Obama’s gun sights. With enough executive orders, kiss the second amendment goodbye.
Marxism, the love of Obama’s youth, his family and present love of his life, is being lobbed like canon fire into America every day, from our schools to our TV shows to our newspapers.
Before the ObamaCare decision that Robertised it, I thought Obama in the Nov 6 election would be beaten like a drum. Now I think Mitt’s going to fall out of favor in the swing states like a blind roofer.
This nation’s going to hell in a handbasket, ObamaStyle. Freedom, liberty, the rule of law, the Constitution will soon be just a memory especially the way Obama propagandizes American schools, from first grade though Harvard.
Frankly, I’m too old to pick up a gun and join some militia. I’m not even sure what good it would do. We’ve got corruption in ObamaLand far as the eye can see. And no Ernie Pyles to root it out. Once upon a time Americans would die for freedom before they’d give in to it. Some are still around, but not enough.
November 6 of this year will be America’s last stand. John Roberts killed this country.
“John Roberts killed this country.”
No, he killed Obama’s second term. Mark. My. Words.
Romney is smart, has good qualities, but he’s not mad enough, not yet.
There are way more than enough real Americans still around.
Trouble is, some still can’t quite believe Obama is a racist thug and a sworn enemy.
A good many others, however, are beginning to see the light.
I’d like to see the tax bill actually paid by the ratbama cheerleaders.
I think if you saw the absence of taxes paid, you’d understand their enthusiasm.
Supposedly, the Anti-injunction Act stipulates that no tax can be challenged until it has actually been levied on someone. In oral arguments, the Court agreed that the individual mandate was not a tax for purposes of the Anti-injunction Act. So for Roberts to then ultimately decide it is constitutional on the basis that it is a tax, is to directly oppose his earlier acknowledgment that it is not a tax. Such duplicity!
I know the Left is delighted to win and to throw it in our faces, because Leftism naturally attracts this infantile sort, but you would think they might have just the slightest apprehension that dismantling Rule of Law is a blade that easily cuts both ways. It is a maelstrom that will eventually devour them too.
Of course the bill was passed by Congress, House and Senate, the Supreme Court, Obama and all the politicians whose jobs were on the line. On November 6th, the people will speak. Obamacare will experience a different fate.
4 USC 72
All offices attached to the seat of government shall be exercised in the District of Columbia, and not elsewhere, except as otherwise expressly provided by law.
I downloaded the PDF of the House version of Obamacare from gpo.gov.
California appears 11 times.
Arizona, Missouri, and Texas DO NOT APPEAR.
How can it have legal effect in these states if they couldn’t be bothered to name them in the definitions? How are we to know that Obamacare isn’t really only for DC, Guam, Puerto Rico, USVI, American Samoa, etc.?
Does it take too much ink to list the states once if they are the intended geographical focus of the law?
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
When Alaska and Hawaii became states, they had to change federal laws. They changed them by REMOVING Alaska and Hawaii from the definition of ‘state’.
Keep remembering that Obama was elected by only 30% of registered voters. There was a 58% turnout and of the people who actually voted, 52% voted for Obama. Multiply 0.58 and 0.52 and you get 0.30. Just 30% of registered voters saddled us with Obama. Forget about the polls and just vote. He has not gained followers. I want to see obama removed from office, but not violently. That would lead to a [stupid] sympathy vote for democrats. We need to vote him out and provide him with the best medical care available. I would like to see him go through a long unhappy life seeing his pipe-dreams never implemented.
Top Republicans in both the House and Senate are vowing to repeal Obama care. I don’t know why they are saying that, we all know they don’t mean it.
Maybe they DO mean it?! — On the other hand, it’s election year: they’re setting the stage for Romney, showing him he has full support, and at the same time “trial-ballooning”, to see what popular response comes of it, and which direction this response might take. It’s a good move, as there is still time to change emphasis and get ready to use Dem tactics against the big BO. At the same time, I hope they put forth, vocally, all the far better plans they were prevented from even letting be heard during the big Obi-scare hullabaloo in’09 that was totally Dem controlled! Go GOP! Make a stink. It’s high time! We need the House AND Senate, this time, regardless who gets the WH. THEY know it better than anybody!
Keep remembering that Obama was elected by only 30% of registered voters. There was a 58% turnout and of the people who actually voted, 52% voted for Obama. Multiply 0.58 and 0.52 and you get 0.30. Just 30% of registered voters saddled us with Obama. Forget about the polls and just vote. He has not gained followers.