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		<title>By: domino</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacare-and-the-r-word/#comment-413131</link>
		<dc:creator>domino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to vote out every democrat we can and start repealing these bills before they completely destroy this country as predicted so they can turn it into another form of goverment. I was raised during the cold war and was taught 1 individual thinker can out do thousands of communists so lets all use are heads and get this bad bunch out of congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to vote out every democrat we can and start repealing these bills before they completely destroy this country as predicted so they can turn it into another form of goverment. I was raised during the cold war and was taught 1 individual thinker can out do thousands of communists so lets all use are heads and get this bad bunch out of congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashputin</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacare-and-the-r-word/#comment-390804</link>
		<dc:creator>Rashputin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just look around here and on other blogs at what sorts are supporting and cheering on this &quot;post racial&quot; president.  Of course the democrats would go this route if it let them get a bill implemented.  They have absolutely no concept of the difference between pissed off republicans and independents taking it to the streets and their own who see protest as a hobby and often as a means for some quick paid protest money.

   It&#039;ll finally sink in when Reid and his pals publicly agree with Obama that they don&#039;t care what happens to their next term if they can just pass health care.   Of course they don’t mind, since once they have the bill, they will have established themselves as life-long nobility with a separate and unequal right to life itself.  Your very right to life will be in their hands from the moment of conception until they think you’ve served your purpose.  Why would they worry about which duchy or fiefdom they’re appointed to after they’re voted out of office under those circumstances?  Any appointed position they get if they’re will be far better than any elected office is now.  They know from history that people who can have their lives taken away at the whim of the commissar or plantation owner will fall in line with any bribe and any demand they make.  Which demands will your refuse when it’s your child, wife, or parent, in need of medical you know is available but have been told you don’t merit?

   There are huge piles of evidence that at least since the eighties democrats have received massive foreign funds for their campaigns.  Far, far, more evidence than there is for anything democrats have slandered republicans with during the past fifteen years.   In spite of the mountain of evidence, the only thing being investigated is whether the CIA used harsh language when investigating terrorists.  Not terrorist suspects, but known terrorists capture on the battlefield, terrorists who like the Japanese in WWII do not abide by or even acknowledge the Geneva Conventions.  That exemplifies the kind of “fair”, “honest”, “responsible”, and “caring” government the democrats always have run and always will.  It’s no accident that once illegal contributions became the norm for the democrat party that the democrats from Chicago came out on top.  It’s the inevitable outcome of and proof of what the democrat party has become at all levels nationwide.

   Obama cannot go much longer without having either a breakdown or a public display of his madness, so Reid and the other top dogs know they have to act fast.  If they don’t win this one, they probably lose their last chance to own the entire population; and make no mistake they would own everyone even more than they now own those poor souls who were born on the welfare plantation and have never known any other life.


   Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just look around here and on other blogs at what sorts are supporting and cheering on this &#8220;post racial&#8221; president.  Of course the democrats would go this route if it let them get a bill implemented.  They have absolutely no concept of the difference between pissed off republicans and independents taking it to the streets and their own who see protest as a hobby and often as a means for some quick paid protest money.</p>
<p>   It&#8217;ll finally sink in when Reid and his pals publicly agree with Obama that they don&#8217;t care what happens to their next term if they can just pass health care.   Of course they don’t mind, since once they have the bill, they will have established themselves as life-long nobility with a separate and unequal right to life itself.  Your very right to life will be in their hands from the moment of conception until they think you’ve served your purpose.  Why would they worry about which duchy or fiefdom they’re appointed to after they’re voted out of office under those circumstances?  Any appointed position they get if they’re will be far better than any elected office is now.  They know from history that people who can have their lives taken away at the whim of the commissar or plantation owner will fall in line with any bribe and any demand they make.  Which demands will your refuse when it’s your child, wife, or parent, in need of medical you know is available but have been told you don’t merit?</p>
<p>   There are huge piles of evidence that at least since the eighties democrats have received massive foreign funds for their campaigns.  Far, far, more evidence than there is for anything democrats have slandered republicans with during the past fifteen years.   In spite of the mountain of evidence, the only thing being investigated is whether the CIA used harsh language when investigating terrorists.  Not terrorist suspects, but known terrorists capture on the battlefield, terrorists who like the Japanese in WWII do not abide by or even acknowledge the Geneva Conventions.  That exemplifies the kind of “fair”, “honest”, “responsible”, and “caring” government the democrats always have run and always will.  It’s no accident that once illegal contributions became the norm for the democrat party that the democrats from Chicago came out on top.  It’s the inevitable outcome of and proof of what the democrat party has become at all levels nationwide.</p>
<p>   Obama cannot go much longer without having either a breakdown or a public display of his madness, so Reid and the other top dogs know they have to act fast.  If they don’t win this one, they probably lose their last chance to own the entire population; and make no mistake they would own everyone even more than they now own those poor souls who were born on the welfare plantation and have never known any other life.</p>
<p>   Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacare-and-the-r-word/#comment-390287</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jharp

yes people do get paid to do what you do...so, please don&#039;t assume everyone is as ill-educated as your constituency.
Just simply ask...how is it that people show up at events with professionally printed signs when the other side doesn&#039;t? Does that mean the other side is far more sophisticated in their thought? But you&#039;ve spent the last 10 years telling all and sundry how smart you are and how stupid the other side is. Seems like a disconnect to this unsophisticated thinker.
oh well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jharp</p>
<p>yes people do get paid to do what you do&#8230;so, please don&#8217;t assume everyone is as ill-educated as your constituency.<br />
Just simply ask&#8230;how is it that people show up at events with professionally printed signs when the other side doesn&#8217;t? Does that mean the other side is far more sophisticated in their thought? But you&#8217;ve spent the last 10 years telling all and sundry how smart you are and how stupid the other side is. Seems like a disconnect to this unsophisticated thinker.<br />
oh well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Now and Then</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now and Then</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly I hope the Dems ram it down your throat with reconciliation. I don&#039;t care if Obama never gets another Republican vote on anything. That much better for us and this glorious nation we call America. Yes, we&#039;re taking our country back from the extremist right wing theocrats. Jesus told us to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I hope the Dems ram it down your throat with reconciliation. I don&#8217;t care if Obama never gets another Republican vote on anything. That much better for us and this glorious nation we call America. Yes, we&#8217;re taking our country back from the extremist right wing theocrats. Jesus told us to.</p>
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		<title>By: JIm C</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacare-and-the-r-word/#comment-389979</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 60 vote rule isn&#039;t to equalize the minority party, but rather prevent the passing of extreme left or extreme right policy...checks and balances.  It&#039;s meant to make bills more difficult to pass, which helps to insure the laws that do get passed are best for the country.

Reconciliation has been used in the past, mostly for tax cuts.  While healthcare will effect the budget, this reform is primarily being used for more government control.  Trying to use it now would not only be a misuse of power, it would be suicide.  But typical Liberal moral equality...they did it, we can do it too.  How &#039;bout using it to lower taxes?

Regarding 2012, not sure what the Dems will run on.  High unemployment, high deficits, Afganistan, the Porkulus Spending Bill?  Only thing they have are negative ads.  Republicans would be smart to counter that tact early, with ads that say &quot;Dems are going to run negative ads because that&#039;s all they have left.&quot;  A smaller government campaign, using revenue to determine the budget rather than setting spending goals trying to find a way to pay for it, will be just what the country is looking for.  Let&#039;s remove the Czars and return government to the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 60 vote rule isn&#8217;t to equalize the minority party, but rather prevent the passing of extreme left or extreme right policy&#8230;checks and balances.  It&#8217;s meant to make bills more difficult to pass, which helps to insure the laws that do get passed are best for the country.</p>
<p>Reconciliation has been used in the past, mostly for tax cuts.  While healthcare will effect the budget, this reform is primarily being used for more government control.  Trying to use it now would not only be a misuse of power, it would be suicide.  But typical Liberal moral equality&#8230;they did it, we can do it too.  How &#8217;bout using it to lower taxes?</p>
<p>Regarding 2012, not sure what the Dems will run on.  High unemployment, high deficits, Afganistan, the Porkulus Spending Bill?  Only thing they have are negative ads.  Republicans would be smart to counter that tact early, with ads that say &#8220;Dems are going to run negative ads because that&#8217;s all they have left.&#8221;  A smaller government campaign, using revenue to determine the budget rather than setting spending goals trying to find a way to pay for it, will be just what the country is looking for.  Let&#8217;s remove the Czars and return government to the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Fantom</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacare-and-the-r-word/#comment-389597</link>
		<dc:creator>Fantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>55. Eric:
@ 51. jharp:

Seems to contradict Madison’s words doesn’t it?

Nice try but that was neither the intent nor the meaning of the clause. Here is what Madison and Jefferson said in their own words on the aforementioned General Welfare clause. Do you want to dispute the words of the authors of the Constitution themselves?

Madison:
“With respect to the two words “general welfare,” I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”

“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions.”

Jefferson:
“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”



That was worth reposting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>55. Eric:<br />
@ 51. jharp:</p>
<p>Seems to contradict Madison’s words doesn’t it?</p>
<p>Nice try but that was neither the intent nor the meaning of the clause. Here is what Madison and Jefferson said in their own words on the aforementioned General Welfare clause. Do you want to dispute the words of the authors of the Constitution themselves?</p>
<p>Madison:<br />
“With respect to the two words “general welfare,” I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”</p>
<p>“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions.”</p>
<p>Jefferson:<br />
“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”</p>
<p>That was worth reposting.</p>
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		<title>By: Pharos</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacare-and-the-r-word/#comment-389569</link>
		<dc:creator>Pharos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>29. jharp:
&quot;Whole Foods stock is down 5% today. What a shame.

I think this is the first sign the teabaggers have not picked up the slack after Whole Foods lost it’s more wealthy and more educated progressive shoppers. Maybe it’s time for another Mackey op ed bashing Obama Care.&quot;

I suppose jharp doesn&#039;t think that a P/E ratio of 40 on a $30 stock in the middle of a sharp overall market downturn this week has anything to do with it. Nah, it was purely the purchasing power of the &quot;more wealthy and more educated progressive shoppers&quot; flexing its political muscle in a boycott only a couple weeks old. 

Hmmm...must have been a lot of &quot;teabaggers&quot; in there the other day at my local Whole Foods, &#039;cause the place was PACKED. Or could it be that their typical shoppers aren&#039;t a bunch of angry fringe lefties?

jharp might be able give a tip or two on trolling message boards regurgitating far left talking points in an incredibly obnoxious manner, but I would not recommend taking any financial advice from this guy/gal/whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>29. jharp:<br />
&#8220;Whole Foods stock is down 5% today. What a shame.</p>
<p>I think this is the first sign the teabaggers have not picked up the slack after Whole Foods lost it’s more wealthy and more educated progressive shoppers. Maybe it’s time for another Mackey op ed bashing Obama Care.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose jharp doesn&#8217;t think that a P/E ratio of 40 on a $30 stock in the middle of a sharp overall market downturn this week has anything to do with it. Nah, it was purely the purchasing power of the &#8220;more wealthy and more educated progressive shoppers&#8221; flexing its political muscle in a boycott only a couple weeks old. </p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;must have been a lot of &#8220;teabaggers&#8221; in there the other day at my local Whole Foods, &#8217;cause the place was PACKED. Or could it be that their typical shoppers aren&#8217;t a bunch of angry fringe lefties?</p>
<p>jharp might be able give a tip or two on trolling message boards regurgitating far left talking points in an incredibly obnoxious manner, but I would not recommend taking any financial advice from this guy/gal/whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: patmanshardt.blogspot.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to know where to send the thank-you card.  The trolls are entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to know where to send the thank-you card.  The trolls are entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: patmanshardt.blogspot.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have any citations to demonstrate that the trolls are being paid by Soros, ACORN, etc.?  I&#039;d like to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have any citations to demonstrate that the trolls are being paid by Soros, ACORN, etc.?  I&#8217;d like to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertyship46</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertyship46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like jharp #35 show how the MoveOn.org crowd always present partial amounts of information and then try to sell them as established &quot;facts.&quot; Jharp says, &quot;I guess that’s why the most liberal senator won the White House in a landslide.&quot; Uh, sorry chum, your boy ran as the great &quot;centrist,&quot; the man who was going to &quot;Cross the isle and work in a new bipartisan environment.&quot; What a lie. Then Jharp says, &quot;And the liberals have strong majorities in the House and Senate.&quot; Wrong again, buddy. You people always seem to forget the Blue Dog Democrats, the very people that got you those majorities. Obama could pass anything he wants in Congress with the majorities he now has. What&#039;s stopping him? The Blue Dogs. They know that if they vote for this bill they&#039;re finished and so will the majorities you so cherish in Congress. It will be 1994 all over again in 2010 if the Democrats force this bill through, and they know it. And finally, jharp uttered, &quot;Let me get this straight. My guy won the White House. My guys won 60 Senate seats. My guys have a 75 seat advantage in the House. This, until at least 2012. And I lost?&quot; Well, if Obama can&#039;t pass his healthcare bill with a single-payer plan that the liberals want so much while having such an overwhelming majority in Congress, yes, HE LOSES BIG TIME. If Obama loses this and the Blue Dogs see that the president has lost all of his political capital (which he has), then you&#039;re looking at a lame duck for the next three years. Sure, Obama may get a few minor things passed up until the mid-term elections in 2010, but, after that, he won&#039;t be able to get a Post Office named after somebody if the Republicans win back the House and win more seats in the Senate in 2010. 

But if you really are an American and even have a faint glimmer of love for this country, Reconciliation is a horrible idea for a bill of this magnitude. I really fear for this country at this moment in time. If Reid is stupid enough to try this, what little faith the American people have left in Congress (and today it was reported that it has reached a 24-year low) will be totally gone. If the Democratic party wants that as their epitaph, then have at it boys!  You will drive the final nail into Congress&#039; coffin by forcing through a bill that is supported by less than 40% of the population. Good luck ever getting re-elected with those numbers. And remember, bills can always be repealed, no matter how complicated they are. I know this is like whistling in the wind, but if Reid and the liberal Democrats really cared about this country, they would scrap this monstrosity of a bill and start all over again. But they won&#039;t do it. They are following the liberal holy grail of &quot;free&quot; healthcare for all and now that it&#039;s so close to coming true, they just won&#039;t be able to help themselves.

And that, my friends, will spell the end of them for at least a decade to come. Bank on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like jharp #35 show how the MoveOn.org crowd always present partial amounts of information and then try to sell them as established &#8220;facts.&#8221; Jharp says, &#8220;I guess that’s why the most liberal senator won the White House in a landslide.&#8221; Uh, sorry chum, your boy ran as the great &#8220;centrist,&#8221; the man who was going to &#8220;Cross the isle and work in a new bipartisan environment.&#8221; What a lie. Then Jharp says, &#8220;And the liberals have strong majorities in the House and Senate.&#8221; Wrong again, buddy. You people always seem to forget the Blue Dog Democrats, the very people that got you those majorities. Obama could pass anything he wants in Congress with the majorities he now has. What&#8217;s stopping him? The Blue Dogs. They know that if they vote for this bill they&#8217;re finished and so will the majorities you so cherish in Congress. It will be 1994 all over again in 2010 if the Democrats force this bill through, and they know it. And finally, jharp uttered, &#8220;Let me get this straight. My guy won the White House. My guys won 60 Senate seats. My guys have a 75 seat advantage in the House. This, until at least 2012. And I lost?&#8221; Well, if Obama can&#8217;t pass his healthcare bill with a single-payer plan that the liberals want so much while having such an overwhelming majority in Congress, yes, HE LOSES BIG TIME. If Obama loses this and the Blue Dogs see that the president has lost all of his political capital (which he has), then you&#8217;re looking at a lame duck for the next three years. Sure, Obama may get a few minor things passed up until the mid-term elections in 2010, but, after that, he won&#8217;t be able to get a Post Office named after somebody if the Republicans win back the House and win more seats in the Senate in 2010. </p>
<p>But if you really are an American and even have a faint glimmer of love for this country, Reconciliation is a horrible idea for a bill of this magnitude. I really fear for this country at this moment in time. If Reid is stupid enough to try this, what little faith the American people have left in Congress (and today it was reported that it has reached a 24-year low) will be totally gone. If the Democratic party wants that as their epitaph, then have at it boys!  You will drive the final nail into Congress&#8217; coffin by forcing through a bill that is supported by less than 40% of the population. Good luck ever getting re-elected with those numbers. And remember, bills can always be repealed, no matter how complicated they are. I know this is like whistling in the wind, but if Reid and the liberal Democrats really cared about this country, they would scrap this monstrosity of a bill and start all over again. But they won&#8217;t do it. They are following the liberal holy grail of &#8220;free&#8221; healthcare for all and now that it&#8217;s so close to coming true, they just won&#8217;t be able to help themselves.</p>
<p>And that, my friends, will spell the end of them for at least a decade to come. Bank on it.</p>
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