Obama Worship and the Herd Mentality
Since the election of Barack Obama, there have been questions among Republicans and right-wing pundits about the future of the Republican Party and how the GOP might be able to retake both Congress and the White House. I have an answer for them, but it will take some telling.
I visited my local bookstore a few days ago and found the entire front table was taken up with every imaginable type of Barack Obama memorabilia.
Have you noticed that when a Democrat gets elected to the White House, we end up with an overwhelming array of printed material showing up any place where books are sold, including grocery stores? You will never see this happen when a Republican is elected. Not even Ronald Reagan got this reaction. It wasn’t until the Gipper left office that such commemorative works started selling. Given that Reagan got a bigger percentage of the popular vote than Obama did, it’s a little difficult to conclude that the reason for the difference in reaction is that Obama is more popular.
Why the difference then? Those Americans traditionally supporting Republican candidates tend not to let their entire beings get wrapped up in letting one politician or another be the answer to all their problems — or the cause of them.
The left, however, does. Demonstrably.
For eight years, the left went crazy. If their latte wasn’t exactly how they like it, it was Bush’s fault. If they lost their jobs, it isn’t because they weren’t providing the company real value. It was Bush’s fault. If the price of gasoline went up, it wasn’t because we won’t let anyone drill for oil here in the U.S. It was because Bush was making a killing in the oil markets. Forget the mere fact that these charges being directed at Bush were easily disproved. Mere facts made no difference to the accusers. Mind you, I’ve made no secret of my discontent with Bush over the years, but it seemed to me that the ills being piled onto Bush were laughable.
Now we see that undiluted frothing hate being redirected into frothing adulation and support for President Obama. As an example: Despite pledges of being an open and ethical administration, and despite Obama’s promise of a lobbyist-free administration, we now see a long string of ethically questionable Democrats and lobbyists connected to Obama’s past and his present nominated for lucrative jobs within his administration. Yet there are no complaints from the left, who were so caustic over George W. Bush’s ethical failings. Obama can do no wrong in their eyes. The transition is remarkable but predictable.
There are a lot more people who do not support BHO than people realize, just as he tolerates no criticism his herd is worse. This may not entirely make sense (to others) but the left always wants to remind us about the separation of church and state. I agree with this and will they agree to a separation between the MSM and state? I also see the bookstores and grocery store checkout lanes with BHO’s image staring back at me. Is there a vitamin I can take for BHO fatigue?
“Over the next four years, Republicans are going to have a laundry list of government excess and associated failures to run on. All they need to do is start pointing at those failures as they occur. Not because they wish those failures to happen, but because they are inevitable when liberal policies are applied.”
Too bad you can’t call yourself Patriots this time. Your positive thinking shows . . . Whining will get us out of the doldrums . . . I guess watching by the sidelines is no fun. People can be disappointed, but if they are not realistic, they deserve it more. Get a grip!
Yes it takes some leadership… but all of us need to stand up in our daily lives and speak up. It really isn’t that hard to say in an unemotional tone that actually Obama is a big disappointment, or that you don’t agree with the conventional mentality.
That usually shuts up the most avid moronic fan of the ONE.
Not sure this is 0bama specific tho…
Looks like the job description of the US president is in essence to be a messiah substitute.
When he isn’t taking on the guilt and sins of the entire world, he is rescuing humanity from whatever.
What will be interesting is what happens when 0bama has finally stiffed everyone who voted for him (2-3 years at the most) — my guess is that they’ll hate him with the same passion as they loved him.
Every would be dictator needs a herd like blowflies need excrement,and too many americans are willing to sell out their freedoms for a car,a kitchen, or free gas.Obama wants to morph into Hugo Chavez complete with thugs ACORN,acontrolled media “FAIRNESS” Doctrine,and the slobbering adulation of welfare crazed masses,in a bread and circus state. It is the beginning of the end of the American experiment.We have become a third world nation:Think Argentina under Peron.Some of us will stand up and resolutely oppose this descent into slavery:it’s going to be a very interesting 4 years.
I certainly hope that the lesson of the next four years goes beyond just an equal and opposite reaction. Such people are shallow support. I would prefer that we devote resources and effort to educating this largely indoctrinated rather than educated crowd of under-30 voters. Conservative principles should be embraced, not herded into. We don’t want citizens who are emotional dumb cattle.
Vivo:
I guessed you missed the exchange between Obama and the CEO of Caterpillar:
Obama: If you pass my bill then Caterpillar will higher back laid off workers.
CEO: No we won’t.
Obama lied and Caterpillar workers are still in the bread line.
The Stimulus bill is a textbook example of an Epic Fail.
Here is a prediction three years from now when the economy is mired in stagflation will be using racists epithets against the President while we Republicans will merely be crowing that we told you so.
And why not?
Isn’t dissent patriotic, as we were told all during the last 8 years by Democrats?
I suggest that evrybody get several copies of Animal Farm and pass them out to your more thoughtful friends. Orwell had seen this kind of manipulation up close and in person during the Spanish Civil War, he knew what he was talking about. I just HOPE that we don’t end up with that sort of CHANGE here.
Even Obama’s clear gaffes are utterly ignored… by his biggest foot-kissers, the MSM
http://susankatzkeating.blogspot.com/2009/02/american-media-again-ignores.html
Too bad there isn’t a leader amongst the GOP. I’m looking for a political party that represents my values.
Smaller Government – No entitlements – Lower taxes.
Remember George Washington’s Farewell Address, 17 September 1796, “Beware of Foreign Entanglements”
None of the candidates running for President this election qualify. I will no longer allow the GOP to assume my support. GWB spent money like a drunken sailor and our current leader makes him look like a piker!
While Reagan believed the government is the problem not the solution, Obama believes government is the solution and individuals are the problem.
While Reagan was concerned with wealth creation, Obama simply skips the creation part and, as good socialist, focuses on distribution.
“Now we see that undiluted frothing hate being redirected into frothing adulation and support for President Obama.”
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Right on.I have – here there and everywhere- proposed the appropriate name for this phenomena only to see my suggestion fall to the cutting room floor.
It’s Obama Arrangement Syndrome. The media interprets and arranges every event to conform to their delusional views of Obama.
I’ve been making fun of Obama for about a week now with his tax cheat friends, his “non-pork” pork stimumania, and the stock market. A couple of my friends just about cried because they’re so in lurve with the guy…..
It’s been fun.
“Beware of Foreign Entanglements”
While we must beware of foreign entitlements—that is not the same thing as isolationism! A prudent balance must be achieved. The United States cannot afford to pretend that foreign enemies do not exist. I am compelled to paraphrase an old saying: you might not be interested in enemies outside of the country—but they are interested in you!
Talk about herd mentality – Try rereading the material on this site. There is not an original thought in the lot of you
Obama is rehiring so many Clinton people that Monica Welinsky has applied for a job at the White House. Rumor is that Obama has a “position” for her.
Cigars anyone?
Right far Right guy,
Maybe you’re leaning too far right. It could have something to do with your perception. If you straighten up it might help your vision thus you wouldn’t have to reread so much.
I’m considering the idea of selling drool-buckets with Obama’s visage on it. Whattya think? ;p
“the GOP has to mind its own house”
Too bad this is missed by so many who wake up everyday with the overwhelming need to whine about those who support Obama and make up all kinds of junk theories on why we do/did. Maybe the little children who can only chant over and over again that “Obama is a poopiehead” should take an honest look at the last 8 years and at the fanatics who behind the scenes influence the Republicans. Thank George Bush, thank the “religious right”, thank the pseudo-conservatives for Obama and then grow up and make the changes necessary to get voted back in. Enough harping about the Bush-haters and watch carefully because Obama-haters will take you down.
TO: Eric Florack, et al.
RE: It’s….
…the other face of the coin regarding BDS. From despising Bush to adoring Obama.
I refer to it as the true form of Obama Derangement Syndrome. And it is O…D…S, in my eyes.
Regards,
Chuc(le)
[Punning, like programing, is a play on words.]
While working to rebuild the post-nationalization oil and gas infrastructure of Venezuela in the ‘90s, it was my good fortune to witness the making of a modern day cult of personality. I was fortunate because it provided me a first hand experience of what, prior to this, had only been a list of historical happenings; you read about the rise of people such as Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot as worse case scenarios and you tell yourself that such things just can’t happen again. I equate Chávez and his socialist/communist agendas to these other despots in how he came to power not his ability to create the same outcomes. But, just because he hasn’t been able to achieve a destructive stature any greater than his brother thugophile Castro, it doesn’t mean that the fiscal and social mess his bungling has compiled should be ignored. Therefore I worry about the outcome of what I see as the ill-considered election to power of President Obama in much the same way. I don’t believe President Obama has some dastardly plan for the future of America, far from it. I think any ruination will come about as the consequence of his good intentions; good intentions which have been fostered and promulgated by the same cultists that gave us their second coming.
Speaking Truth to Power….I assert that dissent is the highest form of patriotism….ohh…January 20th has come and gone?….Never mind then
@12. George:
It looks to me like Reagan turned the government into a big problem by setting a dangerous precedent of deficit spending and gratuitous tax cuts. You might recall that Reagan had economic turmoil at the beginning of his term, much like GWB, and also had massive financial failures and economic disruption in his sixth year, much like GWB.
One definition of insanity is continually repeating the same mistakes, expecting a different outcome.
Obama knows, from studying history, that government can play a role in ending this crisis, and in fact must do so in the case we currently face. It is not individuals that are the problem – it is a market that was not properly regulated, leading to inevitable speculation and duplicity, bubble, and collapse.
Reagan was a great friend to the wealthy, not so much to the working class. Obama will help the working class make some progress, because without a strong foundation, the pyramid would collapse. Reagan never created any wealth, but he surely distributed his share of deficit spending to the benefit of the wealthy.
The mistakes made by Bush in allowing the current financial crisis to grow to such large proportions may forever color the world’s perception of US dominance. It is a very bad sign for our global influence. On top of war crimes and massive deficits, the financial crisis will be the straw that breaks a lot of camel’s spines. Capitalism needs restraint, and we just showed the world that the market doesn’t have it. Hopefully prompt and decisive action can get the systems moving again, before the damage deepens demand for more radical action.
Peace.
DS
But—but—but—Dave, and Vivo, during the Bush administration, you Dems kept telling us dissent was the highest form of patriotism! When Republicans (or anybody else) dissents, isn’t that being patriotic? Aren’t they showing how patriotic they are?
#14 mk – You big Meanie, picking on those poor Obama supporters in their time of distress. Here they are in a terrible state of disenchantment, realizing what an awful thing they’ve done, and you go rub their nose in their poo-poo. Bad! Very bad! Ten lashes with a wet noodle for you! That’ll larn ya!
Eric,
Let me take up one critical point.
Obama (52.9%) got a bigger percentage of the popular vote than Reagan (50.7%). And, according to polls, Obama’s (68%) initial popularity was also significantly higher than Reagan’s (51%). So it isn’t really that difficult to see that a big part of the difference probably is Obama’s overwhelming popularity.
The right gets just as wrapped up in their public figures as the left, as you demonstrated by using commonly held misconceptions to prop up your rah-rah Reagan rhetoric.
That would indeed be nice. Good luck in your search.
Peace.
DS
Silly Kamel: Don’t you know that only democrats are allowed to dissent?
One man’s “whiner” is another man’s dissenting patriot.
Ummmm… No, David. That was done by Congress, who actually has the power of the purse. For Reagan’s part, all eight of his budgets were DOA before they arrived on the hill… The Democrats in congress outspent them… all of them… every single year.
You may not know this…It’s not often referred to in the Dinosaur media…Reagan’s tax cuts were only part of a deal made with the then Democrat run congress, the other half of which was spending cuts which were supposed to go along with the cut and which would ahve more than offset the cuts made. Those are spending cuts we still have not seen to this day.
Indeed, while Reagan’s tax cuts brought with it a massive recovery and thereby a massive influx of new cash to the federal coffers, Congress outspent even that huge cashflow, by spending $1.65 for every dollar of increased revenue.
That’s jsut the surface of the thing. So… Laying spending of the day at the feet of Reagan is so far offbase as to be laughable.
Obama studied history? I thought one of his Harvard compatriots said he loathed reading about history. He certainly seems to know nothing about it except where *he* fits into it.
Heh, heh, heh. . . guess I forgot about that! When the Dems accused Bush of war crimes, stealing the election (and other things too numerous to mention), and called him “Chimpy”, that was just patriotic dissent! When anybody questions the great O, it’s whining, treason and downright narsty, that’s all! Just shut up and obey!
David S: And what percentage of those elegible, actually voted?
Funny, your links fail to mention that.
And they’re still going after Bush for his supposed “war crimes”. Even when he’s no longer president, they just can’t leave him alone.
(If you say that, though, you’re not being patriotic! Some forms of dissent are patriotic, and just aren’t, gol-dangit!)
Even those who dissent from Michele Obama’s fashion sense must be chastised! Don’t be a “Debbie Downer”, support the O’s! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/verena-von-pfetten/michelle-obamas-dress-a-d_b_141477.html
And I sincerely apologize for linking to Huffington-puff!
(Now, now, Eric,don’t be a Debbie Downer! Dissent is no longer the highest form of patriotism).
14. mk wrote:
I’ve been making fun of Obama for about a week now with his tax cheat friends, his “non-pork” pork stimumania, and the stock market. A couple of my friends just about cried because they’re so in lurve with the guy…..
It’s been fun.
Peter observes: It’s likely you don’t live in a northeast state like Massachusetts. That kind of behavior would get you lynched up here.
19. Delia wrote:
I’m considering the idea of selling drool-buckets with Obama’s visage on it. Whattya think? ;p
Peter asks: Are you taking investors? It could be a goldmine!
27. David S wrote:
Obama (52.9%) got a bigger percentage of the popular vote than Reagan (50.7%).
Peter asks: Where in the world did you get THAt made up fiction? Were you even ALIVE in 1980? Reagan won with what had to be the highest percentage in history! You do realize he carried 49 out of 50 states, right? Time to wake up from your libtard dream, David S.
Dave S
Reagan inherited an economy that was in shambles. Jimmy Carter had double digit inflation going. Nobody wanted to borrow money because it was over 20% interest. We had a new term stagflation and another new term cost push inflation. Jimmy let the Ayotollah take over Iran. The Ayotollah took over and our embassy staff was imprisoned until the day Reagan took office. He tried to rescue the embassy staff and that was a dismal failure. Cuba openly went into Angola and took it. The whole world was laughing at us.
Insanity is repeating the same mistake over again: Carter, Clinton, Obama. Wait and see, I would bet anything that by the end of Obama’s term, you’ll be a registered Republican.
Jimmy Carter created the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) in 1977, which became the basis of the destruction of our banking industry because sub prime loans. Later it was Clinton who implemented the Community Reinvestment Act and forced the banks into giving sub prime loan to the impoverished minority community. He also enpowered such groups as ACORN with the ability to sell these loans to the community. The whole financial fiasco was set in motion long before GWB came to power. At that point there was really little he could do about it. Its hard to put a raw egg back into its shell.
Ever notice how the libtards post and post and post until someone points out how wrong they are, then they just shut up? Makes you wonder why they bother getting out of their bed in the morning.
@40. Oscar the Grump:
Best not to make such silly pronouncements as this. Just send me something nice for Obama’s 2nd inauguration, thanks.
Peace.
DS
Davis S. G
Where’s the money to DWP so they can do some super things like below?
How about US Government install free solar panels or wind turnell or geothermal for all the buildings and houses in US. It would be a gift which keeps on giving as well as achiving energy independence and reduce Global Warming? Solar, wind, geothermal is limitless, clean and free.
Eric,
It’s only been less than 2 month since our new President Obama’s been in the office. Due to amount of “Sh*t” left by neoCONS, it will take quite awhile just to sort things out. Stop the harrasement.
Patients is virtue.
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David S
Seriously,I was a liberal just like you. All it took was Clinton to change me. That aside do some reading please. I suggest strongly The Trillion-Dollar Bank Shakedown That Bodes Ill for Cities, by Howard Husock, printed in the City Journal, in the winter of 2000. Read it please and then give me an opinion. You know all us neocons is jusss waitin to see what your boy does.
42. David S wrote:
Best not to make such silly pronouncements as this. Just send me something nice for Obama’s 2nd inauguration, thanks.
Peter writes: The sign posted in my cubicle;
01/21/2013
World Peace
If you let me know what harrsement is I’ll stop it. Also can you elaborate the term “Sh*t” so that we can at least counter what you so eloquently stated.
@39. Peter the Bubblehead:
It’s called the real world. You may have heard of it. It’s where facts come from. Feel free to visit.
Peace.
DS
39. Peter the Bubblehead:
27. David S wrote:
Obama (52.9%) got a bigger percentage of the popular vote than Reagan (50.7%).
Peter asks: Where in the world did you get THAt made up fiction? Were you even ALIVE in 1980? Reagan won with what had to be the highest percentage in history! You do realize he carried 49 out of 50 states, right? Time to wake up from your libtard dream, David S.
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Actually, David S. is correct. I think you’re confusing the 1980 with the 1984 election. In 1980, Reagan received 50.7% of the popular vote. He also carried 44 of the 50 states.
In 1984, Reagan carried 49 of the states. David S. was obviously refering to both Reagan and Obama’s first terms.
Looks like you owe him an apology, Bobblehead.
and let’s have the government give us free unicorns to ride to work, too! And a chicken in every garage! A an electrical car—no, two of them, for every family in the United States! Money, after all, is created magically by government! You don’t have to worry about silly stuff like supply and demand? All government needs to do is to give commands, and it shall be done!
(Heh, heh, heh. . . )
Obama’s created a great deal of—well, stuff, on his own. It wasn’t the Neo cons that made him give that grovelling apology or Iran, or made him ignore the crisis in the heartland, with the gigantic ice storm or who are making him support this useless stimulus. He’s doing that all on his own.
One man’s harasser is another man’s patriotic dissenter.
(I think you meant “patience”, not “patients”, although patients is what we all might be if this keeps up—no, wait, they’re going to socialize medicine, so we can’t do that!)
Also, Obama is screwing the families of Cole bombing victims: can’t blame this one on the neocons, it happened on Clinton’s watch: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024819.php#respond
David S:
“Obama knows, from studying history, that government can play a role in ending this crisis,” – er what history would that be?
“the problem – it is a market that was not properly regulated, leading to inevitable speculation and duplicity, bubble, and collapse”. -actually the problem was with too much and improper regulation…you need to bone up on reality
“Obama will help the working class make some progress, because without a strong foundation, the pyramid would collapse. Reagan never created any wealth, but he surely distributed his share of deficit spending to the benefit of the wealthy.” – what “foundation” would that be…welfare, workfare? AND news for you – Presidents, governments, none of them, create wealth. Only business, commerce can create wealth. Guvmint can only take it and move it around. OR allow others to create it by staying the hell out of the way.
You need some education.
52. TalkinKamel:
Also, Obama is screwing the families of Cole bombing victims: can’t blame this one on the neocons, it happened on Clinton’s watch:
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Careful now. Some would say Bush’s inaction on the Cole bombing may have led bin Laden to try something a little more spectacular in 2001.
45. World Peace:
You have committed one cardinal sin and also demonstrated startlingly poor grammar. Please don’t use the term NeoCon, it’s pointless and just shows a lack of overall intelligence.
The term you used “Patients is virtue” is misspelled and grammatically incorrect. You are trying to say “Patience is a virtue”. Patients are sick people at the hospital.
Your suggestion that the government install free solar panels, geothermal, or wind turnell(once again, great spelling and not the correct definition of the term you’re looking for) is extremely incompetent. Can you explain to how much that is going to cost all of us, and who is going to pay for it? I got a quote to put solar panels on my house and it was going to be near $30k. Is Father Santa-Obama going to fork over that much to every home-owner in America? Are you?
Like most of your type, you live in fantasy-land, but most of the rest of us live out here in the real-world and have to pay for the things that we do.
TO: Pat J
RE: Too Bad….
….that Osama started work on 9/11 during Clinton’s watch.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[People who can't remember beyond the last administration have no business in 'debate'.]
27. David S wrote:
Obama (52.9%) got a bigger percentage of the popular vote than Reagan (50.7%).
39. Peter asks: Where in the world did you get THAt made up fiction?
1980:
Reagan (R) 50.7% (489 electoral votes)
Carter (D) 41.0% (49 electoral votes)
Anderson (I)6.6%
Clark (L) 1.1%
2008:
Obama (D) 52.9% (365 electoral votes)
McCain (R) 45.66% (173 electoral votes)
I did not list candidates receiving less than 1% of the popular vote.
Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008
Pat J
the Cole bombing and the blowing up of our embassies happened during the Clinton era. He did nothing in both cases. Go ahead and blame Bush for this one; but it makes you sound st*pid.
49. David S wrote:
It’s called the real world. You may have heard of it. It’s where facts come from. Feel free to visit.
Peter writes: Obviously a place David S has not been in for many, many years.
Notice he could not refute my facts. Reagan beat Carter so badly that Carter was not heard from for more than a decade. (Too bad he has been heard from more recently, usually hugging terrorist-loving thugs.)
Can we focus on the fact that neither of the traditional parties believe in smaller government, lower taxes, and capitalism? Bush Sr. was a tax and spend Republican, Clinton was a spend and tax Democrat, GWB spent more than any president in history, and Obama is making GWB look like a piker.
Which politician, by name, supports smaller government, less taxes, and self sufficiency?
53. kdman wrote:
-actually the problem was with too much and improper regulation…you need to bone up on reality
Peter points out: There’s that term being applied to David S again. Reality. Quite obviously something Dave isn’t in touch with, if so many others on this thread need to point it out to him.
Go ahead and blame Bush for this one; but it makes you sound st*pid.
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I didn’t blame Bush. Unfortunately some do. A lot of what Al Qaida was doing during the Clinton Administration can be seen as a warm up act. Clinton’s inaction after both the embassies and the Cole incident have a lot to blame for 911.
As I mentioned to a co-worker today, a lot of people in this country are going to upset is Obama every dies and doesn’t rise three days later.
As for Reagan/Obama, yes, I admit I mixed up the ’80 and ’84 elections. However, just because he hoodwinked a greater number of people doesn’t mean Obama is a greater president than Reagan was. Some of those hoodwinked victims are already starting to open their eyes to reality. I have serious doubts Obama will even be considered mediocre by the time his first (and hopefully only) term is over.
62. Pat J wrote:
Clinton’s inaction after both the embassies and the Cole incident have a lot to blame for 911.
Peter writes: Correction, they are 100% to blame for 9/11.
45. World Peace:
I know you don’t speak for any world peace I know of; But I can give you a piece of something you should understand; Getting on your knees for Obama will not get you anything.
What are you? A cross dressing mullah?
“vivo:
Too bad you can’t call yourself Patriots this time.”
Then come to my house and arrest me for Treason!
Idiot.
TO: All
RE: Rank Hypocrisy, Anyone?
I do believe that God has a special place in His heart for this kind of hypocrisy. Indeed, I think the only time Christ started actually beating on people was because of their hypocritical behavior….
….just like we’re seeing with these sufferers of ODS.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Anybody got a bunch of knotted cords handy?]
got to make my coming out, and acknoledge that Oscar the grump is my double
38. Peter the Bubblehead:
19. Delia wrote:
I’m considering the idea of selling drool-buckets with Obama’s visage on it. Whattya think? ;p
Peter asks: Are you taking investors? It could be a goldmine!
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I’m not sure yet. I’m on the fence over which way to go? Obama drool-buckets or Obama diapers because Lord only knows a few of his kool-aid-bots have crapped themselves silly when in the presence of their messiah. Can you imagine the stench from 0′s pep-rallies er I mean “stump speeches” nope, wait, I mean “town hall meanings”. Yeah, yeah. I went there. ;p
[Those two factors — leftist disappointment and a satisfied right-wing base — are what resulted in Reagan’s landslide victory.]
Very nice article. I agree with the above statement and I hope you’re right.
But I’m not entirely sure the analogy of Carter to Obama is the best one. Perhaps the analogy of Obama’s lack of substance, but not his style.
The more I’ve studied of FDR, the more convinced I have become that much of FDR’s popularity was not based on his greatness as I had been taught as a child, but the fact that FDR had figured correctly in tough economic times, you can buy an election by subsidizing votes.
And that is what I am convinced this regime intends to do, Republic be damned. If Obama can continue to convince half the people that they can not operate without government assistance, and you can deliver the message with a great degree of flair like Obama, you can carry the vote.
Where was this advice in 2000?
Thanks.
That’s as may be. Thing is, I tend to judge on substance, and that style. That said, it seems to me that each one was a product of his times, and the style that the times.
It’s interesting, though, if you think about it. Whatever else you think of Richard Nixon, it must be said that he was a southern California Republican. Quite liberal, on the whole. Quite willing to go along, to get along. Not unlike 41 and 43.
On that basis, I wonder if it can’t be pointed out that the setup for Obama to take a pounding at the polls after his first term is it’s exactly the same setup we saw with Jimmy Carter?
Certainly, there will be a large number of people out there with that in mind. There is every election. But I think you’ve got the numbers off just a little bit. Consider once again the exposure to socialist reality that Jimmy Carter brought to the table, and the reaction of even most Democrats to him in 1980.
Don’t confuse my comment with criticism. I thought this article as good as any I’ve read on PJM. I even used your comments tonight in a debate of which stumped the opponent.
Again, I hope you’re right. My hope is that just like we might be having Jimmy Carter Redux, wouldn’t mind seeing another Reagan Revolution in about say four years – two would be better.
T
. . . Quite a bunch of sore losers!
The basic denial of the negative state of the nation due to uncontrolled GOP policies over the last several years is dissapointing to say the least.
I wonder how many of you go through life, the utter stupidity mixed with hate for anyone who thinks differently, should make for a pretty miserable existence.
Not to worry, you will all still benefit from the proper, moderate, inclusive, mindful, bipartisan policies of the current administration.
If anyone here thinks we were better off with Bush and the GOP, that person deserves to be sad, bitter, disappointed for the rest of their little, miserable lifes.
Give yourselves a chance to improve, give Obama a fair chance, (1 year maybe?) then proceed to spew poison again (if you must)
25. TalkinKamel:
8. Eric Florack:
66. newton:
67. Chuck Pelto:
“during the Bush administration, you Dems kept telling us dissent was the highest form of patriotism! When Republicans (or anybody else) dissents, isn’t that being patriotic?”
I don’t care what the Democrats said. In my definition of “patriotic”, dissent as dissent itself is not included. What I meant was that Republicans call themselves Patriots ALL THE TIME and nobody else can be one. And now that the government and policies have changed, you can’t feel the patriotism of things going the right way, because it’s not your way. But you don’t think the country can be better off. You keep segregating the country into separate societies and don’t recognize realities. It’s a new world!
One man’s poison-spewer is another man’s patriotic dissident.
One man’s sore loser is another man’s speaker of truth-to-power.
Sorry, Vivo, it’s the same world we’ve always had. Obama, as American President, is powerful, but he’s not a demi-god; he can’t just wave his hand, make miracles and create everything anew.
As a powerful man, however, his actions will be, and must be, open to criticism, scrutiny, and, if he’s headed in the wrong direction, then, yes, he needs to be called on it. You think he’s headed in the right direction? Good for you. So far, I don’t. Instead of insulting conservatives, telling them to shut up, and stop disagreeing with The Great One Who Hath Made the World Anew, why don’t you try proving to us HOW he’s heading in the right direction?
And how are Republicans segregating the country into separate societies, and where do you get the idea that they claim to be the only ones who are patriots? As I recall, the Dems were pretty good at thumping the I’m-a-patriot drum, with their constant “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism!” chant. (Which it isn’t, anymore, now that The One Who Hath Made the World Anew is President, we’re supposed to just shut up and follow orders. I sense cognitive dissonance here).
As I also recall, the Dems were opposed to any, and everything, Bush did, and showed little concern about unifying the country when they were opposing “The Chimp”.
One year might be too long, if Iran gets the bomb. Honestly, I wanted to give Obama a chance—I don’t like McCain, but with his missteps with Iran, and Pelosi’s stimulus plan, which looks like it’s just going to stimulate more liberal pet projects, do not inspire confidence.
One man’s poison spewer is another man’s patriot, who is somebody else’s Debbie Downer.
Here’s one instance where the Dems weren’t supportive of the country: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/12/coup-against-wh.html
VIVO
#2
Perhaps it is you who should get a grip. Your slobbering adulation over the Messiah has blinded you to the simple truth that he is nothing more than an empty suit. He has governed nothing, stood for nothing (his votes of “present” illustrates this fact handsomely), has larded his cabinet with the most ethically challenged appointments imaginable, associated with the most reprehensible thugs imaginable, and has generally lied to the American people. Where is the transparency in government he promised ?(a lie !), why are there so many lobbyists in his cabinet ?(yet another lie !) The man is so ethically challenged, he cannot even see it for himself. You poor boob ! wake up ! Open your eyes ! The most important result of his presidency will be a huge quantity of ex-Democrats !
WORLD PEACE
#45
Tty it this way “P A T I E N C E is a virtue” it seems to wok a bit better.
Here’s more: http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2009/02/now-they-tell-us-iran-is-pursuing-bomb.html
Obama seems to be following Bush’s policy on Iran; doesn’t sound like his trying to appease it earlier worked: http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/08/iranian-reaction-to-obamas-first-foreign-policy-gaffe/
Sorry guys- truly bad typing.
once more – Try it this way ” P A T I E N C E is a virtue” it seems to work a bit better.
TO: All
RE: vivo on English….
…as learned at the feet of Bill Clinton.
It all relates to how one personally defines words and then insists that everyone else accept their definition.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[What good does it do for me to speak to you in flowers when you're thinking in sex acts in the Oval Office?]
World Peace: Get off the hallucigens!
TO: All
RE: By the Way….
….what can one expect from a group of people so deranged with ‘love’ of The One that they can’t accept the idea they put—as far as I can tell—an illegal alien in the office of the President of the United State
I’ll tell you what:
• Denial
• Vitriol
• Stupidity
• Threats
Why? Because they have nothing involving facts that they can call upon.
It’s the application of the third option of the lawyers’ rule…
[1] If the Law is against you, argue the facts.
[2] If the facts are against you, argue the Law.
[3] If the Law and the facts are against you, call the other side names.
The Official Rules: A Compendium of Truths and Laws for Living
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. And they’ll never forgive you for being right. Because to admit that you were right is to admit that they were wrong, and they have too much pride to allow for that.
[It's easy to forgive you when you're wrong. It's much harder to do so when you're right.]
78. TalkinKamel:
“why don’t you try proving to us HOW he’s heading in the right direction? ”
Just wait, just wait. You can spend tons of ink speculating on the future. The dice have rolled, now just wait.
81. J. PINKERTON SNOOPINGTON:
“has larded his cabinet with the most ethically challenged appointments imaginable, associated with the most reprehensible thugs imaginable, and has generally lied to the American people.”
I’m sure you meant to say GW Bush.
86. Chuck Pelto:
“In my definition of “patriotic”, dissent as dissent itself is not included. — vivo
It all relates to how one personally defines words and then insists that everyone else accept their definition.”
Why not? That’s what dictionaries do.
88. Chuck Pelto:
“—an illegal alien in the office of the President of the United State”
And HOW could that happen??? ??? ???
When Iran explodes its first atomic bomb everything will change. There is a small window of time that the free world can act in to stop this from happening. That window is closing quickly. Obama is going to try to talk Ahmandenajad to death. It won’t work. Obama is the wrong person in the wrong place to act like he needs to. The result will be a nuclear Iran, an Iran that will be able to threaten us directly.
In Latin America, Iran is moving quickly to garner allies. One at a time leftist governments are taking over and allying themselves with the Moslem world.
All you Obama supporters can do is piss facts and make analogies. Wake up! Its not going to make things better. I give a damn if Obama is left wing or right wing or no wing. Can he do the job?
Can he act like a real leader and keep this country, our country,
safe. The only thing I want is for God to continue to bless this country. I love it and the people here, yes even the Democrats.
Yes folks, I will be taking contributions from each and all in a Oscar the Grump for President campaign. Please send me big checks.
TO: All
RE: vivo and English, via Bill Clinton
“Why not? That’s what dictionaries do.” — vivo
The proof of my earlier arg is provided from the horses ‘mouth’.
vivo thinks Bill Clinton is a ‘dictionary’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[For additional information please re-read this post.]
TO: All
RE: vivo and Reality
“And HOW could that happen??? ??? ???” — vivo
By idiots in a voting booth. And state Secretaries of State who took Democrats at their word….when the vast majority of them are idiots or worse.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Every people gets the governance they deserve.]
74. Louis wrote:
I wonder how many of you go through life, the utter stupidity mixed with hate for anyone who thinks differently, should make for a pretty miserable existence.
Peter writes: Sounds like the perfect definition of most of the Democrats I have known for the last several years. Once again projection at its finest.
Chuck, if Vivo is getting under your skin too much, just do what I do. Ignore his/her/its posts. I skip right over them.
Fearful bunch indeed,
Justification of extremism through fear (of the unknown)
Thank God you’ll must be holed up on the far ends of your respective neighborhoods. (shivering!!!!!)
Not to worry, when you come out you will see a refreshed country, with renewed international goodwill, people working. A country with a fresh and proper vision of the future of science, technology, preservation & restoration of the environment.
Best of all, a country that has realized that while there are many different people and ideas, there is also a single Union, and that all working together will make the UNITED STATES successful.
NEWSFLASH: It is good people’s turn now to effect positive change. Fear mongers, liers, ignorants, narrow-mindeds, racists, hypocrates, etc. had a long time to destroy the country (last 8 years) Got close, but couldn’t do it, it is our turn to bail you all out, and give you a better country.
97. Peter the Bubblehead:
Bubblehead?
Vivo, don’t tell me to just wait.
I want to hear exactly how Obama’s plans are going to make the world, and everything else (apparently) better. Because right now, he doesn’t seem headed in the right direction at all.
Louis, one man’s fearful bunch is another man’s bunch of dissenting patriots.
Again, like Vivo, you don’t really say exactly how these wonderful things are going to happen. What do you mean by “positive change”? How is all that wonderful science research going to happen, given the state of American schools? As for everybody working together to build a better union, that’s an old idea, not a new one with Obama. Again, the devil is in the details.
If the country does turn out better, we’ll all be happy. But, at this point, I don’t see any signs of that happening: not with the lobbyists in government, not with Obama’s appeasement of Iran, or that bloated stimulus plan the government wants to push on us. And, not being a true a believer, I’m not willing to “just wait”, or blindly believe that that everything will, indeed, turn out okay.
And what makes Obama supporters “good people”? (As opposed to all those “bad” people, who didnt’ vote for him, or have the temerity to question his actions?)
The man is the President of the United States, not G-d’s representative on earth. Do you realize you’re using the language of religion, not politics, in talking about him?
Here’s a critique of Obama’s policies, and explains why some are unnerved by them? http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/02/14/michael-ledeen-obamas-policies-arent-socialisttheyre-fascist.php
TO: Peter the Bubblehead
RE: vivo? Skin? Under?
He/she/it does not get ‘under my skin’. I just enjoy pointing out to the rest of the world what a stupid person they are.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. -- Proverbs]
VIVO: Bubblehead is Navy slang for submariner, just like Vivo is retardese for cretin.
Can’t we all just get along? Let’s get some hot dogs and marshmallows, then we can all sit around and wait for the next 9-11. When the big bomb is dropped on us somewhere, the Democrats will claim that it is part of their new policy of providing heat in the winter. Never mind the global warming.
Actually, I suspect the Dems will blame it on:
1. Bush (doesn’t matter he’s not in office anymore, they’ll always have George Bush to kick around!)
2. Republicans.
3. Zionists.
4. Christianistas.
RE # 92/vivo/ Re # 88/Chuck Pelto: [...] an illegal alien in the office of the President of the United State [..]And HOW could that happen??? [...]
1) with DNC’s and (liberal) media’s complicity, my dearest Vivo.
2) and now the bad news, Vivo, about your Indonesian chum – the Occidental College in Los Angeles, place from where Soetoro (mysteriously) transferred to Columbia U, is being sued for refusing to release Soetoro’s records from which one could glean his real name, citizenship, etc. What’s going to happen I don’t know, yet it is interesting that the Obama party is engaged in another effort to smother some “intriguing” facts from his past.
Vivo, stop worrying about republicans and conservatives and tend your garden – you Obamabots will have a bumpy ride ahead, my friend.
105. deguello:
“Bubblehead is Navy slang for submariner,”
You learn something every day.
104. Chuck Pelto:
“He/she/it does not get ‘under my skin’. I just enjoy pointing out to the rest of the world what a stupid person they are.”
I’m a he. Pelto does well showing his brilliance to the world. Each one makes his own opinion and boil up or smile . . .
108. misanthropicus:
“stop worrying about republicans and conservatives and tend your garden”
I’m not worried about Cons, just perplexed about their weird thinking coming from human beings. I guess I don’t understand human beings.
If Obama was an alien, Homeland Security is worth zilch. What a waste.
I am finally impressed by having a chance to engage into a fair debate.
“Again, like Vivo, you don’t really say exactly how these wonderful things are going to happen. What do you mean by “positive change”? How is all that wonderful science research going to happen, given the state of American schools? As for everybody working together to build a better union, that’s an old idea, not a new one with Obama. Again, the devil is in the details”
I am sure you will all agree that this is the very beginning of very long trek.
If you ask how can I see how “this things are going to happen” is quite simple,
The country is looking in the right direction by having elected Obama, the administration is looking in the right direction by being specific about tackling the most immediate problems head on right on, the sincere inclusion of dissenting voices within the administration, the acknowledgment of the need for alternative fuels, the high levels of talent and organization (for the most part) shown during the transition period, the realization that there is only ONE UNITED STATES, and that our idividual positive efforts will yield a collective positive result (encouragement to really challenge ourselves)
This is only the beginning, and I can see and feel clear positive improvement. The road ahead is tough, and the current administration seems to know well which path to take to lead us to higher places.
(If the vision and the direction becomes skewed I will be happy to communicate in this forum)
You all are right to be doubtful, that is ok, (ask Einstein!)
You are all wrong to be petty and destructive, elevate the quality of your opinions, read a little more of what the “other side” says, put yourselves in other people’s shoes, exercise that “greater worthiness” you all seem to feel and be kind to your fellow human beings.
About the good people now, it is a simple answer, the good people are those who simply realize that irrational fear wont rule their lives, good people are the ones willing to listen and include, good people are those who strive for moderation, dialog,peace, growth, progress, integration, and fairness.
Those are some seriously good human traits, how many of those do you possess?
My favorite “Roveism” is “. . . the culture of life”
Ask yourselves, who’s life? which race? what country? which region?
A good person would say “ALL!” What would you say?
Anyone who leaves anyone out is. . .A BAD PERSON!
A BAD PERSON?
You mean, if we want to leave out, say, Osama bin Ladin, we’re bad people? What if we don’t like terrorists, like the ones in Mumbai, who murdered civilians? Does that make us BAD? What about white racists, or Nazis?
You do realize you’re using the language of religion, don’t you, in talking about Obama? Again, you talk about how wonderful things are going to be, but you don’t give any actual examples of why, exactly, it’s all going to work out. Obama’s “right”—okay, why, exactly, is he right? I haven’t seen much toleration for dissent in the past two months, and, as for talent, it seems everybody that’s been nominated for a position lately has a problem with cheating on taxes. And what does realizing we’re one nation mean? (By the way, the Left, under Bush, certainly didn’t seem to want to realize that). Does it mean we are not allowed to disagree with anything government does now, but are all part of one big collective? We need to get away from Middle-Eastern fuel, but I don’t think wind/solar/”green” power is going to do the trick, and the government doesn’t seem interested in using nuclear power, or our own resources.
One thing I agree with you on—it’s gonna be a real long trek!
One man’s petty destructiveness is another man’s patriotic dissent.
RE #111/vivo: [...] If Obama was an alien, Homeland Security is worth zilch. What a waste. [...]
Vivo, you just don’t want to get it. It isn’t the business of the Homeland Security to ascertain one’s elibility for the USA presidency.
This duty is ENTIRELY THAT or THAT party’s legal obligation, duty which in this case, looks like it wasn’t really observed – my view is that we’re facing here not a conspiracy, but a dereliction of duty, that is Howard Dean and the ones who directed the team vetting Obama, for whatever reasons accepted to look the other way, allowing him to obfuscate his birth data (probably the COLB-vs-BC trick was found acceptable).
Whether the FBI or other agency had a discrete loook at the matter, I cannot say – but they aren’t supposed to enter in this type of inqury without being instructed to do so by their hierarchy (however, be sure that the Chinese, Russia intelligence gathering stations in Djakarta spent some time collecting info about this situation).
And yes Vivo, the 9/11 terrorists lived in a motel not far away from CIA, in plain daylight – Oliver Stone is a loon, that’s sure, but sometimes nefarious arrangements & conspiracies exist.
How is that, “she is kind of pregnant”? And Obama’s birth certificate affair simply cannot be wished away – expect excitment in the future.
Best regards -
More reasons why the stimulus isn’t a good idea: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/02/finally-disarmed.html
And Louis, just what would a “fresh and proper” view of the future be? So far, it sounds just like more of the same ol’, same ol’—socialism is not really a new idea, and it never works.
Louis,
When you were a kid did you ever play with a top. When you spin it, set it in motion, and didn’t like its spin, try to correct it. Every time you try to correct it it spins worse. We’ve had one correction Jimmy Carter. Then we had another correction Bill Clinton. Excuse us if we’re not holding our collective breaths awaiting this miracle.
I hope to God that you are right. Experience has taught us that you are wrong. Yes, were are cynical, we can’t help it.
TO: misanthropicus
RE: The BC Issue
“And Obama’s birth certificate affair simply cannot be wished away – expect excitment in the future.” — misanthropicus
There’ll be ‘hell to pay’, when the truth of that come out.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[What they are telling you may be important. What they are NOT telling you may be vital. -- CBPelto]
P.S. Obama and his Democrat supporters had the chance to come clean on the BC up to and including 19 January 2009.
But after that, nothing he or they produce will be trusted…..
Well, you guys just have to figure out how to win next time, that’s all. Stop complaining and get to work.
114. misanthropicus:
” And Obama’s birth certificate affair simply cannot be wished away – expect excitment in the future.
Best regards -”
Like I said in other postings, I’m waiting.
My prediction: Cons will contribute millions to legal funds to find the truth, foxy lawyers will pocket it all, and nothing wrong will be found. That will get the economy moving . . . for the lawyers.
Jack T., a lot of people can’t get to work, because the businesses they used to work for are closing, and the economy’s going into the tank.
One man’s complainer is another man’s minuteman, or dissenting patriot.
RE: 121/vivo RE: 114/misanthropicus: “[...] Cons will contribute millions to legal funds to find the truth, foxy lawyers will pocket it all, and nothing wrong will be found. [...]”
“… millions …. nothing wrong will be found…”
Why Obama’s choice is a long, politically damaging and expensive legal fight when he can fix the matter paying a $12 fee for having the document in cause publicly released?
No one want expensive lawyers – why the $12 fee isn’t a choice to put this affair behind?
hHere’s a critique of Obama’s foreign policy: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzFlMzAyY2E3MDExN2ZhNWJhMWFlYjdiNTk0ZTAwODY=
The fact that most Americans realize that we are facing a national crisis given the economy and want to unite to weather and resolve this situation does not mean we have a herd mentality. Backing the President in nation crisis is nothing new. It carried us through the Depression and WWII. Get a life. You rightwingers are so hysterical as not to be believed.
TO: All
RE: ODS Jim
Considering we now know that FDR’s policies extended the Great Depression, why would anyone in their right mind support bad policies of the current president?
Only the ‘true believers’ of The One would defend stupidity because of who is pronouncing it.
Jim calls on people to ‘get a life’. My suspicion, based on the evidence he provides, is that he is projecting.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Don't Blame Me....for the Porkulis Bill. -- CBPelto]
LOUISE: “Not to worry, when you come out you will see a refreshed country, with renewed international goodwill, people working. A country with a fresh and proper vision of the future of science, technology, preservation & restoration of the environment.
Best of all, a country that has realized that while there are many different people and ideas, there is also a single Union, and that all working together will make the UNITED STATES successful.
NEWSFLASH: It is good people’s turn now to effect positive change. Fear mongers, liers, ignorants, narrow-mindeds, racists, hypocrates, etc.had a long time to destroy the country (last 8 years) Got close, but couldn’t do it, it is our turn to bail you all out, and give you a better country.”
ROB: first of all… Hypocrates did a lot of good for the world. He began modern medicine. And he certainly was not alive 8 or even eighty years ago.
Second of all: What a sheep! She has more faith in Obama than most Christians have in God. As if he could bring about peace, prosperity, love, and harmony just by speaking the word. Great Communist rhetoric though: Obama has the power to make you happy. Before you were ruled by racist, capitalist fascists who treated you like slaves. Now you are free and happy and you have everything you want.
“Considering we now know that FDR’s policies extended the Great Depression…”
Okay Pelto. Prove it. If not, go back to your basement and play Traveler, and quit bothering us with these insipid memos of yours.
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