Obama War Plan: Release the Terrorists, Prosecute the CIA
On January 22, as one of his first official acts as president, Barack Obama signed an executive order mandating the closing of the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay within one year. Liberals on two continents cheered.
But what to do with the detainees? France agreed to take one prisoner; Ireland two. A few others have made “commitments” to take one or two miscreants off of our hands, after months of pleading from the Obama administration. For the most part, however, the Euro-states who did the most braying about Gitmo detainees have declined to accept them into their streets and jails.
For a while, Democrats floated the idea of releasing some of the detainees into federal prisons in the United States. But those plans were met with public uproar after, among other things, FBI director Robert Mueller admitted that bringing the prisoners onto the mainland risked “the potential for individuals undertaking attacks in the United States.”
You don’t say.
Gitmo detainees are released on occasion, usually as prelude to a public relations fiasco. In May, the New York Times reported on a unreleased Pentagon report estimating that one in seven of the released Gitmo prisoners return to their old terrorist ways. Said Ali al-Shiri, after being released from Guantanamo in 2007, established himself as chief of al-Qaeda’s Yemeni branch and has been implicated in the subsequent bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Sana in September 2008. Then there were the Chinese Uighurs, released in June to Bermuda, where they were photographed laughing and sunning it up in paradise while the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 were back in the States watching their 401Ks dwindle to nothingness.
It doesn’t seem as though the administration has quite figured out how to unravel the Gitmo conundrum, though by all accounts Obama remains steadfast in his commitment to close the facility. Some 80 detainees are already set for release; others will be likewise cleared after a comprehensive “review.” Some of the released will doubtless return to jihad.
Among the prisoners still at Guantanamo is Khalid Sheik Mohammed, a.k.a KSM, the self-professed mastermind of the September 11 attacks. The man directly responsible for the plan which vaporized 3,000 human beings, and the man who plotted more atrocities. KSM was captured in Pakistan in March 2003 and refused to talk — until we put the screws on with enhanced interrogation techniques, after which he sang like a canary, divulging endless details of al-Qaeda command structure, personnel, and plans. He became what the CIA calls their “preeminent source” for information on the terror network.
But not until he was waterboarded 183 times.
The Left’s making common cause with the jihadists would be comical if it weren’t so dangerous. I suppose the Left thinks that it is going to deconstruct, ruin or defang America, which in turn will placate the Islamofaciscts – or remove the source of their complaints. But the Islamofacists will never be content with a compromise. They demand complete subjugation. As some other wise soul said elsewhere, the Islamofacists will eat the Left for lunch.
When the Islamofacists are publicly stoning lesbians, they’ll have only themselves and their warped principles to blame.
If Holder goes after Mr. John Yoo and others THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES that URKLE WILL BE SORRY ABOUT! CUIDADO
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Here’s an idea:
regardless if they stay in jail or go free, put a tracking chip (like in pets) as deep as you can get into each of them. To get rid of it, they would have to have major surgery.
Transfer the detainees from Gitmo to Alcatraz. That would place San Francisco on the jihadists gotta-visit list. Let the Gay/Lesbian/Transsexual/Undecided Coalition deal with them rather than constantly hectoring us about gay marriage.
Obama-sans priority list places his vision of a socialist paradise above the safety and welfare of Americans. His cadre of far leftwing radicals is a threat to this country.
Perhaps this is more of Obama’s concept of social justice. Whatever his true motives, Obama is a national security disaster. He comes across as a weak apologist who does not have the fortitude to endure personal criticism and will exploit what others have done to keep this country safe for political gain. Our European allies do not appear to take him seriously and why should they? More importantly, our enemies do not fear him.
How much foreign money funded his campaign? Since our MSM has given this guy a pass on everything perhaps the next administration will investigate Obama’s backers.
Obama likes jihad. He bowed to the King of Jihad Financing. Obama hates a strong America. Our enemies are more worthy than us terrible Americans. President Wee Wee is a clear and present danger to our country. Send him back to Kenya where they are short one idiot Marxist since his dead beat daddy died.
An interrogation technique that causes only temporary fright is not torture. It would have been a gross dereliction of duty not to have waterboarded KSM.
Well, if you’re going to put it that way…. At least he hasn’t invaded the wrong country.
“Said Ali al-Shiri, after being released from Guantanamo in 2007, established himself as chief of al-Qaeda’s Yemeni branch and has been implicated in the subsequent bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Sana in September 2008.”
Let’s see…. Obama took office in January 20008. Hmmm…
“He became what the CIA calls their “preeminent source” for information on the terror network. But not until he was waterboarded 183 times.”
Puh-lease! Don’t tell me these things! I want to be a “good German” and not know what my government is doing.
“Is there really any question that these interrogations saved American lives? Not if you believe George Tenet….”
George “Slam Dunk” Tenet? Who wouldn’t believe him?
Why would any one trust this bunch of lying thieves? Items like H. J. Res. 5 to eliminate his term limits and following in the footsteps of Fidel Castro to address our school children like the TRUE COMMUNIST HE REALLY IS, don’t thrill me much!
EIT’s are torture. They are illegal, immoral and ineffective. All the evidence so far indicates that the CIA program caused more problems than it solved.
If we abandon the rule of law, the terrorists have won. I feel much safer in a country that respects the law. Failure to prosecute CIA abuses would leave a black mark on the USA forever, and leave our soldiers open to similar abuses.
America should not adopt the tactics of terrrorists.
Peace.
DS
The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise.
DAVID S:
America should adopt whatever methods work. Whatever methods guarantee that a repeat of 9/11 does not occur. Save your moral posturing for the Rotary Club. I am quite certain that if your family were in the hands of terrorists, and you had access to one with information, that you would employ whatever technique necessary to extract it. If you would not, than you don’t deserve to have a family. I suppose that your morally pristine position allows a certain degree of smugness. It is intellectual dishonesty of the highest order.
#8
Terry Gain is right. How come these guys weren’t afraid of going to a battlefield with an AK-47? They were afraid, just as every soldier would be. How come they had absolutely no fear of strapping on a bomb for a suicide attack? They must have had some fear of the explosion and what it woulde do to them. Why weren’t they afraid that they would be captured and tried for committing war crimes, such as decapitating prisoners? Of course they had fearful feelings of being hunted, its only natural.
If they can inflict fear on themselves, how can it be considered torture if we inflict fear on them? Making war and committing terrorist attacks are fearful things, but they are not self torture. Rabid Islamists, if you don’t want to feel fear, don’t attack a country like the United States that will fight back. A word to the wise.
Criminals, don’t attack the police. They will feel at least a little fear; that makes you criminals subject to being tried by Holder for war crimes for committing torture.
My the trolls are out early today with their standard Bush bashing. It must be hard to live in a vacuum totally removed from the present reality. Hint to closure: p-s-s-t, Bush isn’t President any more.
@14. Mingus:
America should adopt whatever methods work. Whatever methods guarantee that a repeat of 9/11 does not occur.
Apparently you think the Constitution is just a suggestion? That’s not how America works.
Save your moral posturing for the Rotary Club. I am quite certain that if your family were in the hands of terrorists, and you had access to one with information, that you would employ whatever technique necessary to extract it.
You are certain that many falsehoods are true – that does not change the reality. I believe in the rule of law, even in your hypothetical scenario.
If you would not, than you don’t deserve to have a family.
I think the reverse is true. All people deserve to have their human rights respected. If you would torture another person, you should be kept away from kids.
I suppose that your morally pristine position allows a certain degree of smugness. It is intellectual dishonesty of the highest order.
There is nothing dishonest about my position. It is the only position consistent with American values. Your morally compromised position makes your dishonesty quite troubling. Torture is not compatible with the rule of law.
America should aspire to be a good example, not a pariah.
Peace.
DS
When dealing with a determined enemy, there is only one way to defeat it: become more determined than they are. It’s quite discomforting to consider, especially for today’s brand of effette politicians, that we’d actually need to become more violent than our enemies. The rule of law, as the commenter above is fond of citing, is a good thing. However, what do you do when your enemy doesn’t abide by it? If he would bother to check, our enemy is violating the rules of the Geneva Convention by not using uniforms and targeting civilians. We are well within our rights to execute those in Guantanamo and we should do so immediately without remorse. Of course, this would cause weak leftists who refuse to see the barbarity of the enemy to shriek endlessly and further demand that they be extended rights that they obviously deny their targets.
Those on the left who insist upon granting the enemy any form of rights cannot be serious about winning the war that our enemies take quite seriously.
Ask them who was really tortured, KSM or Daniel Pearl?
Some posit this syllogism:
Waterboarding frightens people.
Torture is frightening people.
Ergo: Waterboarding is torture.
If this is a valid syllogism, then so is this:
There are amusement rides that frighten people.
Torture is frightening people.
Ergo: These amusement rides are torture.
obammy is a traitor and the people who support him are scum.
Report that vivo.
This is one of the subjects on which it’s legitimate to be morally conflicted.
On the one hand, a terrorist, or an “armed irregular” captured in a battle zone, has forfeited all his rights. In earlier wars, such persons were shot summarily, without any legal or other process. If it’s licit to do that, what rights could the captive possibly retain? Why privilege his life, bodily integrity, or comfort above the lives and well-being of those he’s attempted, in his underhanded way, to kill or maim? Why not treat him however we think will elicit useful, life-saving information from him?
On the other hand, brutality routinely practiced has a way of seeping out of whatever confinement one tries to impose on it. If it’s licit to torture a terrorist or an “armed irregular,” on the grounds that it might save American lives, arguments will soon be made that a “regular” prisoner of war, having tried to kill American servicemen, deserves no greater degree of protection. Worse, persons who like to torture will emerge from the general population, and be exploited for their unusual predilection, with unpredictable results.
Now, this is beside the point, frequently made, that waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and various other enhanced interrogation techniques aren’t really torture. I tend to agree with those claims…but if we’re going to license our interrogators to do those things in particular cases, we’d BLEEP!ing well better establish truly rigorous rules about what’s permissible, and upon what sort of captive — and then buttress them with unbelievably harsh punishments for any interrogator who ever sets a toe across any of those lines.
Caution is the watchword.
Yeah, they just released a young man who was 12 when he was arrested–for 7 years the Bush administration used evidence garnered under torture to hold him. From the age of 12 to 19. You people are my heroes.
17. David S. “Torture is not compatible with the rule of law.”
You walk into your house and find a man assaulting your wife with a knife. You grab the nearest object, a baseball bat, and hit him in the head with it. Did you torture the assailant to prevent the death of your wife?
Hypotheticals can exist for the purpose of preparing one for plausible future events.
#22
Ah yes, the old sob story routine. Perhaps this little nipper will be one of the one in seven who returns to terrorism when released. Wonder what the little bugger was doing to get himself captured. After all, our forces didn’t capture everyone they saw.
But by all means let’s assune he was playing with his toys when captured. That’s just the ticket for the pacifist leftys.
My, my, my…. Obama’s dream of HopeNChange is becoming clearer to me now.
Release terrorists from that Gitmo to conveniently fall under the USA Miranda laws.
Investigate the CIA and tie their hands from future intelligence gathering.
Force Americans onto wait lists for health care and then tax them MORE for the honor.
Take over automakers.
Let avowed tax cheat Wrangle continue to be in charge of writing tax laws.
Let Black Panthers off the hook (see “take race relations backwards”).
Let AFL-CIO determine taxes for Wall-Street windfalls.
Appoint Czars who get to oversee millions of tax dollars with no background checks.
Promise transparency but then conveniently forget to actually BE transparent.
Triple National Debt.
Hobble the Democratic Party (this one I can live with).
Take race relations backwards 20 years.
Polarize the USA.
Pump propaganda into unsuspecting grade school kids.
“Convince” seniors that extraordinary care at the end of their life is selfish.
Hand over all legislation and policy writing to Nancy Pelosi.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
If we are attacked again, Obama shoulders the burden alone. Turning his pitbull Holder loose on the CIA is folly. Why am I not surprised that this administration is too self-involved to see that?
The late Col. Jeff Cooper wrote “The only appropriate response to violence is counter-violence.” By their own voluntary actions these prisoners have abdicated their membership in the human race. They are most certainly not Americans citizens so they have no rights under the Constitution. They do not observe the Geneva protocols, so they have no rights as prisoners of war. We are completely justified in using any measures necessary to extract information from them. Execution should follow swiftly after they are deemed no longer useful. They are barbarians who make war against civilians. This was the justification for the allied bombing campaigns against the German and Japanese civil populations. That was called “The Good War”. How and when did we become so morally weak and indecisive that we no longer are capable of waging war?
God Save the republic!
Ah yes, the old sob story routine. Perhaps this little nipper will be one of the one in seven who returns to terrorism when released. Wonder what the little bugger was doing to get himself captured. After all, our forces didn’t capture everyone they saw.
But by all means let’s assune he was playing with his toys when captured. That’s just the ticket for the pacifist leftys.
Why don’t we just assume he was doing what hundreds of thousands of Nazis who were captured during world war two were doing. Lobbing grenades at armies invading their country. There’s no evidence to assume that, of course, but I’ll meet you half way, since whatever you people say goes, and centuries-old ideas about jurisprudence and the rule of law must go out the window because of your pant-crapping fear of terrorism. I’ll meet you half-way. He would have been released and returned to his country had their been any logical framework to the war we declared on Afghanistan. Thanks to your idol, there wasn’t. So we were forced to keep a twelve year old soldier [if in fact he was one] for seven years–and indeed, if you people had their way, he’d still be in prison when you’re stupid children are screwing up our country.
DAVID:
Sorry,David. Your ethically emaculate posturing is only possible in your make-believe world. Safe, protected, warm and snuggly, and isolated from the real world. The majesty of the law, such as it is, is a lovely construct. An abstraction. More down to earth is the biologic imperative: survival. If you are dead, the law is of no consequence. Reasonable sentient people must calibrate their adherence to absolute ethical dicta by balancing the threat to existence against ideal behaviour. That is what it means to be human. If you do not have it within yourself to protect your family at all costs, even if it requires methods that infringe upon your ethical ideals,than my condolences to your family. And, word to the wise: don’t mention it to your wife.
The author writes:
The president has decided that his personal concept of morality takes precedence over American lives.
Descans ponders:
Isn’t Obama a moral relativist? In other words, doesn’t he basically disbelieve in the concept of morality altogether?
There is a good deal of evidence that Obama believes that morality flows from power, and that it is merely a matter of social policy. In his view, since social policy is made by those who are strong enough or wily enough to grab and hold power, any policy they propagate is ipso facto moral.
True, Obama dresses up his amorality with the trappings of black liberation theology, thus giving himself the opportunity to engage in a massive form of self-deception about the rectitude of his beliefs. But, Obama seems at bottom to be an opportunistic proto-fascist, someone whose morality is as superficial to his core beliefs as yesterday’s T-shirt is to today’s dress suit.
If the above analysis is correct, then Obama’s decision to unleash Holder is perfectly consistent with the expediency he utilizes in place of morality. After all, Obama wants to stay in power. That means he needs to appease the hard left and while at the same time diverting the nation’s attention from his palpable failures to function effectively as the nation’s CEO.
But, with Obama, self-serving amorality will always take the form of efforts to subvert Judeo-Christian ethics and American strength. This is because, although Obama is amoral, he is a true believer in the tenets of cultural Marxism.
Or, perhaps, being amoral and being a cultural Marxist are just two ways of saying the same thing … what do you think?
MOHO-Yeah, not so much. AQ in Iraq liked to sodomize children in front of their parents in order to let them know who was in charge. Maybe you should pick a side that doesnt ACTUALLY torture people. Oh yes, I almost forgot…your messiah is the spineless moral equivocator he is because he’s always been that way. As Ive told you before, he got his start in politics turning tricks for a slumlord.
The western Roman Empire collapsed because:
1. The middle-class had been taxed out of existence.
2. Its citizens had become ignorant effete weaklings who were unwilling to fight for the Empire (unlike their forefathers who had fought for the Republic).
3. Rome was under pressure from barbarians but that was nothing new. The legions of the Republic had resisted and overcame similar onslaughts by the Celts and Carthage.
4. The leadership of the Empire was corrupt and weak.
The weak, hollow, corrupt Empire couldn’t resist barbarians. History keep repeating.
Just like a liberal to again forget the victims of 9/11 and instead want to focus on the terrorists.
Any liberal hearts bleed for the victims of 9/11? Thought not. Why think about them when there are 12 year old terrorists to concentrate on. Pathetic.
Chimpy the Kenyan is beginning to realize that he was lucky to jam the stimulus bill through and that nothing else will float unless it comes close to being economically viable and makes sense.
His only hope is war emergency power and he can get this only if we are attacked again. He is simply blinding the US by attacking the CIA and encouraging the muslim terrorists by freeing the Gitmo terrorists. My bet is that he is negotiating with some of his muslim brothers about where the next attack should be (San Francisco is most logical but it would do too much damage to Pelosi’s property).
MOHO-You are becoming steadily more shrill and incoherent. Logical framework? Afghanistan? Nazis? Germany? Really…Really? What would be logical framework for conducting a war in Afghanistan (on 9/12) be? You’re talking about a war in a failed state and against multiple amorphous adversaries. Please, please, get real. And your Messiah…logical framework…yeah, not so much.
Mojo and David
It’s ok that the captured Dan Pearle or the Brit were decapitated, or captured American troops mutilated bodies were found strewn in the streets of Baghdad, or the captured American civilians hung from a bridge and mutilated. Thet’s ok, right. What’s your explanation? They have a cause or they’re not subject to the Geneva conventions?
MOHO:
You seem to be mightily disaffected with this country. I can’t figure out why you continue to live here. There must be someplace on this planet that more closely lives up to your ideals. Why do you persist in this hellhole? I just don’t get it. Have you tried to emigrate? My only suggestion is that when you get to the border, take your finger out of your nose
what part of “I will stand with the muslims” wasn’t understood? despite what obeymugabe wants to be truth – America is NOT a muslim country. He told us who he’d stand with, and he’s doing it.
Well, we shouldn’t be surprised.
He frees the terrorists, he investigates the CIA, and his middle name is Hussein.
We knew everything we needed to know before the elections, but the media controlled by the lefties wanted him in the White House…
Best wishes to you lefties: for the muslim terrorists you are as much an American Satan as Cheney.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
david s:sigh,one more time…just for you.gitmo was opened to PREVENT torture,ever heard of rendition?what do you think we did with all the bad guys before 9/11,give up?we gave them to our friends”,the egyptions,the saudies,yemen…you get the picture.gee,i wonder what THEY did to them?no need to wonder,it has been well documented-horrible things-with no red cross around.
that is why your messiah will continue rendition,so that squishy people like yourself can feel safe and secure knowing that the screams of all those people being truly tortured(at the behest of YOUR goverment) in medevil dungeons,will never reach your sensitive little ears(or the pages of the NYT).
out of sight out of mind,right davie?
piece.
Do not feed the trolls.
@40 The trolls are being squashed, not fed.
Great article !
The implications, are clear, and chilling.
So, does this mean that when President Obama’s administration is over, he will grant a blanket amnesty and pardon to all members of his administration, from top, to bottom, to preclude the next Administration from seeking their own vengeance ?
This is all so childish, it’s hard to believe.
Moralizers out there: Keep in mind that Gitmo detainees have been captured alive, and kept alive, sometimes against their will, not killed. When closing in on this kind of enemies, consider the operational risks: killing them is a lot less dangerous (and more dispositive) than capturing them, so why go through the extra mile?
Because they are potentially valuable intelligence assets! What do you with assets once you acquired them? Basically, two possibilities: You exploit them, or you don’t. Closing Gitmo is just as smart as leaving the fight before the battle is over.
Moralizing has served as a cover for cowardice many times before in history, with various degrees of “success”. We can tell it when we see it.
12. David S:
It’s fun watching you torture yourself!
#27
“…he’d still be in prison when you’re stupid children are screwing up our country.”
You are attacking our children now, Harpo/Moho? Why that makes you a librul or terrorist. Terrorists attack children using guns and bombs. Libruls attack children by demanding an unconsionable expansionsion of the government and entitlement programs that our children will have to pay for.
20. Dark Helmet:
“obammy is a traitor and the people who support him are scum.
Report that vivo.”
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It is the mission of the U.S. Marines to kill people and blow things up. How would the code pink morality pipe dreamers overhaul that?
There is obviously no need for prisoners in the future. American troops expect no quarter, why give quarter?
Obama is only releasing his allies–attacking his enemies.
Forgive me for pointing out Conservative1, that I’d be surprised if you could squash an overripe zuchinni.
You seem to be mightily disaffected with this country. I can’t figure out why you continue to live here. There must be someplace on this planet that more closely lives up to your ideals.
This would normally be an annoying opinion to come across. But given that your people are currently engaged in hyena-like screeching about how awful this country is at the moment, it gave me a slight chuckle before I came to the conclusion that you’re a complete idiot.
MOHO:
Ah, but you see the times they are a changin. In the mean time, why we all bask in the glow of your obvious superior intellectual gifts, your daring repartee, the cold precision of your (sic) mind, it would be better if you removed the finger from your nose. Doesn’t your arm get tired? I am sure that you are the smartest roach under the rock. So stand tall. On all six of your legs..
I have never really opened my mind to what could be considered torture.
Forcing your kids to take a bath or brush their teeth, much less spank them;
Being forced by your employer to lose sleep by either having to get up very early or work late;
Having a mammogram done;
(+ many other medical procedures, shots, IV’s…)
A criminal typically uses threats or actual violence, so they are torturing their victims, and sentences must be lengthened to reflect that.
Domestic violence is torture (this one’s not silly).
If being forced to do anything against your will is torture, then the IRS is full of torturers.
And if a statement implying something that isn’t true is torture, then every time Obama addresses us we are being tortured.
36. blini:
“MOHO:
You seem to be mightily disaffected with this country. I can’t figure out why you continue to live here. There must be someplace on this planet that more closely lives up to your ideals. Why do you persist in this hellhole? I just don’t get it. Have you tried to emigrate? My only suggestion is that when you get to the border, take your finger out of your nose”
You probably missed it, but in another thread Moho “came out.” He (or she, it is unclear) knows that he will be hanged by the neck until dead, dead, dead if he returns to his muslim roots.
He has since then devolved into incoherent ramblings and name calling. Any 5th grader worth his salt has better retorts and logic for that matter. Unfortunately, we are adults here (trolls not withstanding) and no longer possess the razor quick repartee we had back in kindergarten.
Peace In.
Blini. The lameness by that response is not mitigated by the fact that it seems to be the most prevalent one here when idiots are unable to argue the merits. Perhaps in your culture, where people are more scared of being nosepickers than fools, its a big insult. Where I come from its a cattle call advertising stupidity.
If any of you seriously believe that if captured, our soldiers would be treated with dignity by ANY foreign government, then you really have a problem with reality. Your ticket to lalaObamaland is waiting…
No we can’t lead by example in war..You define the target, take it out, kick them to the curb, and leave..don’t stop and ask, ” are we making you unhappy?” b.s.
If the enemy is not afraid of you…they will keep attacking you.
Any 12 YO German caught lobbing grenades at the Red Army in ’45 would have been killed immediately. Did I say caught? I meant to say, “looked cross eyed at”.
Should I mention that the 12 YO German lobbying grenades most likely had a Hitler Jugend uniform too.
Crappy analogy from a crappy troll.
It’s very simple, bearing arms against the US on the battleground will, at best, result in their capture AND detainment. At worst… well you get the idea.
DavidS:
“Apparently you think the Constitution is just a suggestion? That’s not how America works.”
The Constitution applies to Americans and resident aliens, period. Foreigners overseas? Nada. Zip. Zilch. No protections whatsoever.We can do whatever the f*ck we like to them.
Simple solution to the Gitmo issue: shoot ‘em in the head and toss the carcases in the bay for the sharks. End of problem.
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Moho the Muslim is sure going out of his way to ‘defend’ his terrorist coreligionists, isn’t he? Perhaps somebody who deigns to speak to his ilk should remind him that the Taliban are not “soldiers.” They are francs-tireurs, and subject to summary execution.
Moho: “Where I come from” ~ #54
Planet Moldor? Never-Never land? Down the rabbit’s hole? The Twilight Zone? Planet of the Apes?
Wherever you “come from”, the practice of sucking out the brains of the newborns has wielded some ugly repercussions in your case. I might suggest you find another place to live where they might possibly be able to restore your original God given common sense that seems to be so sorely lacking.
@ 17. David S:
TO what laws are you referring?
The U.S. Constitution? They are not US Citizens as thus are not afforded any protections under it. To grant them such protections is the sheerest of folly.
The Geneva Conventions? They are not covered under the conventions since they are irregular combatants, German soldiers who stole US uniforms (and vice versa) to infiltrate our lines were executed, and since they deliberately target civilians.
So please explain which laws are being violated or that we aren’t following…
I do agree that torture for the sake of torture is wrong, and I’d even agree that torture for the sake of information in desperate situations is on very unsteady moral ground. However I don’t believe water-boarding ranks up there with say being stretched on the rack, hot irons, pincers & tongs, or crushing someones knee cap with a hammer.
“that is why your messiah will continue rendition”
That part is good, but using “rendition” and other issues, as a tool to undercut Bush and the GWOT (or whatver we’re calling it this week) in order to get himelf elected…that’s bad.
Anyone who believes that lib Dems (who have committed more atrocities than any other group in American history) have some kind of moral objection to leaning on terrorists is a total ass. The lib Dems burned 100,000 civilians alive when they firebombed Tokyo, and the guy who was in charge was then, and is now, one of their great heroes (that would be Roosevelt).
In lib Dem world, if you’re a liberal Dem who burns hundreds of thousands of totally innocent people alive, you’re a great hero of the age, but if you’re not a liberal Dem, and you have some terrorists dunked under water for a few seconds to get them to spill what they know, you’re a villain and a monster.
What a total joke.
16. trangbang68
Bitterness, I tell ya.
Can’t stomach the sliding polls and the unpopularity numbers (not just Obama, but dems in general).
CHANGE! You Betcha!
#55
“Where I come from its a cattle call advertising stupidity.”
Do re mi mi mi:
Home home on the range
Where the deer and antelope play…
When its roundup time in Texas
And the bloom is on the sage…
Do not forsake me oh my darlin’
On this our wedding day…
Why, Moho, I didn’t know you were a polecat, sidewinder, backshooter, tin horn, tenderfoot, rustler, horse thief. I thought you were a small businessman in Indiana just looking for his fellow Americans to pay his sickcare costs for him.
Mr. Patterson:
“Obama War Plan: Release the Terrorists, Prosecute the CIA.”
You forgot:
“apologize to everyone who wears sandals to formal functions.”
but otherwise…yup, you nailed it.
That’s “The Plan”.
Hush up you knuckle-dragging Rethuglicans!
The One went to Hah-vahhhd.
As a sidebar, I don’t LIKE calling him “KSM” anymore…it sounds like a socialist automobile collective, doesn’t it?
And I certainly don’t want to spell out “Khalid Sheikh Mohammed” every time I mention the pig-fornicating offspring of unmarried people.
Henceforth, I shall refer to him as:
“The Snorkel”.
Howzaboutit?
Hey Bilgeman, how about we call KSM “Ron Jeremy’s Ugly Brother” or RJUB for short?
MOHO
Tis true, tis true. Out here we pay attention to appearances. And, the sight of a pimply preadolescent snotnose with his finger firmly planted up his nose is, well, repugnant. Now, I suppose, in your environment, a finger upo the nose is considered de rigeur (est ce que vour comprendez, roach?) but in civilized society, you know, people who bathe, brush their teeth, etc. a finger up the nose is looked down upon. Do you think (that by itself is an intriguing question) that is racist or sexist? There is a great debate raging. Is it worse to be a schmuck or a putz. Not to worry…you make the cut both ways.
Keep you eye on tghe ball. The path to victory is FETEKE. Check it out.
The mission of the CIA is to thwart our nation’s enemies before a battle can begin. How exactly does this work with politically correctness and public access? Is this anything like the rules of engagement in a knife fight? Who would be naive enough that to believe engaging in an open dialogue is sufficient to stop thieves and killers?
The terrorists were only following Mohamed. Therefore, they have done no wrong. Free them.
Sarc/off
David S nothing this country could do,short of surrendering to the jihadi cowards and granting them the world wide caliphate they desire, would curtail their practice of torturing every U.S. national,soldier or citizen or Christian for that matter,that falls into their hands.I doubt they would stop even then.
Billslayer,moho med is totally down with pederasty for power.
“But what to do with the detainees? ”
Well , obama could release them at my local gun range.
Problem solved.
#66 Blini:
“Now, I suppose, in your environment, a finger upo the nose is considered de rigeur (est ce que vour comprendez, roach?) but in civilized society, you know, people who bathe, brush their teeth, etc. a finger up the nose is looked down upon.”
I’m late to THIS party!
Are we discussing some more declassified Guantanamo EIT techniques?
#65 Scott:
“Hey Bilgeman, how about we call KSM “Ron Jeremy’s Ugly Brother” or RJUB for short?”
I’ll give you chops for it, but I can’t roll like that on Ron.
Ron Jeremy is an inspiration and role model for all (heterosexual) single men everywhere…for all time.
Look, can you imagine you’re in HR, interviewing job applicants and Ron Jeremy’s resume comes up:
“…197x-199x Starring performer in XXX pornographic movies.
Job Duties: Having sex on screen with any number of surgically-enhanced women.
Job Responsibilities: Personal Hygiene, Avoiding STDs. Reliable long-lasting erections.
Salary Requirements: Negotiable by the hour or by “piecework” basis.”
Then you look up across the desk and it’s…Ron Jeremy.
(Who is surely one of the ugliest cats ever seen in the buff on a video screen).
You wouldn’t believe it…but it is what it is!
So let’s have a little danged respect for Mister Ron Jeremy, m’kay?
Is anyone still proud that they voted for Obama?
@74. Paul -Indiana:
Is anyone still proud that they voted for Obama?
More proud than ever. No regrets at all. Plan to do the same in 2012.
Is anyone still willing to admit they voted for GWB twice?
Peace.
DS
Most people that wear uniforms hate the enemy. Even firemen hate fires and cops hate criminals..and that is normal. But thankfully, our country has come to its senses and “officially” does not torture. Torture is against the law. I agree with Senator McCain and the president… that should be our policy, because its the right policy. Lets just pray we win the war on terrorism without it.
Agreeing with one idiot is bad enough, but agreeing with an even bigger idiot and loser,is excessive.No wonder they call you poor.Just wait till the terrorists perpetrate another attack that could have been prevented through” torture”,and watch your libtard president lose what little popularity he has left!
Start a movement to impeach OB. Investigate Michelle and Axelrod. Was his father granted US citizenship ever or at least before OB was born?
First moho,your full of libjuice.You dont know that for sure.Second, these guys are Obamas allies.He will do all he can for them.Praise Allah!
Hey did you all know Eric Holder law firm Convington And Burling defend 17 Yemen Gitmo Detainees These yemen guys are part of Al Quaida. Just tought you all like to know what Eric Holder is all about.