Obama Surrenders U.S. Sovereignty: His INTERPOL Executive Order
At ThreatsWatch.org, Steve Schippert and Clyde Middleton have dug up the bizarre and unsettling issuance of an executive order recently signed by President Barack Obama. Executive Order — Amending Executive Order 12425, signed December 16 and released a day later, grants the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL) rights on American soil that place it beyond the reach of our own law enforcement agencies, such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
Schippert and Middleton note that Obama’s order removes protections placed upon INTERPOL by President Reagan in 1983. Obama’s order gives the group the authority to avoid Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests — which means this foreign law enforcement organization can operate free of an important safeguard against governmental abuse. “Property and assets,” including the organization’s records, cannot be searched or seized. Their physical locations and records are now immune from U.S. legal or investigative authorities.
If the president of the United States has an aboveboard reason for making a foreign law enforcement agency exempt from American laws on American soil, it wasn’t shared by the White House.
Andy McCarthy, former assistant United States attorney for the Southern District of New York and senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, notes at National Review that the limitations that Obama removed are “what prevents law-enforcement and its controlling government authority from becoming tyrannical.”
A paragraph later, McCarthy describes Obama’s actions in the starkest of terms:
This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.
Some bloggers covering this story are noting that the law enforcement agency to which Obama has extended such extraordinary powers to has had a dismal past.
INTERPOL’s senior leadership was flush with Nazis from the late 1930s all the way into the 1970s. That fact allowed, going Godwin isn’t necessarily relevant to today’s organization. Khoo Boon Hui of Singapore is the current president of the organization, and the current secretary general is American Ronald Noble. Noble is perhaps best known in America for overseeing the Treasury Department’s review of the disastrous 1993 raid and siege of a Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, that left nearly 80 people dead. Noble had cautioned against the initial raid plan as being too dangerous, but the lack of any significant ramifications for federal officials that approved of the raid and allegations of a cover-up have inspired conspiracy theorists to derisively dub Noble “the Enforcer.”
With the flourish of a pen and no warning at all, Barack Obama surrendered American sovereignty to an international force with a checkered past. To what end?
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you elect the most liberal member of the senate as president, you get a radical reconstruction of american life and sovereignty. oh, what i wouldn’t give for 4 more years of george bush.
So on a governmental level, this gives INTERPOL the freedom to operate, but on a constitutional level what rights does INTERPOL have over individual citizens?
How can Obama surrender American citizens’ constitutional rights to an international organization? Answer: Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy.
What will happen to the Interpol records in America just before a new administration takes office in January 2013? Answer: the records will all be removed to foreign countries, outside any American law enforcement jurisdiction, to prevent any exposure or review.
How is this Constitutional?
Unconstitutional. I believe this too will be reversed after 2010 with a different Congress.
As long as Obama keeps serving up the Kool aid in the form of bribes with tax payer money, it is only going to get uglier.
No one is watching.
What will this country look like in three years? We wont be the first civilization to destoy ourselves. People voted for this abomination.
Freedom and liberty like Mr. Obama’s promises have expiration dates. Ours came sooner then we realized.
“For the purposes of this title, the term ‘‘international organization’’ means a public international organization in which the United States participates pursuant to any treaty or under the authority of any Act of Congress authorizing such participation or making an appropriation for such participation, and which shall have been designated by the President through appropriate Executive order as being entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and immunities herein provided.”
It seems to me that the amended executive order is less about empowering INTERPOL than it is about shrouding the IPCC in secrecy.
International Carbon Police, anyone?
As long as we continue to use quaint anachronisms like “constitutional” with these people we will continue to be frog-marched into the gulag. Wake up people. As far as Obama is concerned there is no constitution; and as far as I can tell the republicans are too cowardly to say otherwise. Madison himself said that the Constitution will not enforce itself. Well, where is everyone?
Good grief.
When will Moderates figure out the difference between Liberty and Tyranny?
Moderates voted for the tyrants because they were blinded by Bush-hate; Moderates, Bush is no longer around for you to be blind so when you vote in 2010 make sure you side with Liberty.
Moderates, your vote for Tyrants was an unwise so for the sake of the survival of our Nation do not make the same mistake twice.
this was done to faciliate the roundup of criminal banking operatives blocking the ‘settlements’ and to enforce the world court’s issued 47 trillion dollar lien on the US on behalf of China. See worldreports.org last few posts in the archive section; and if interested start reading all the posts detailing waht’s happened over the last 4 years in regard to this. I’m not saying all of it is completely true, but I think most of it is.
Since when does American sovereignty concern Barack Obama? American sovereignty is part of the problem Obama has with this country, tied in with his views on everything from ‘historical American sin’ to our obligations to the Global Warmists.
In case anyone is still in the dark about it, Obama is a global socialist government type of a guy. What did we expect him to do with this choice?
I am not an attorney, so the following question, and its corollary, might be absurd: Wouldn’t not protecting our military, by giving up American sovereignty, be a traitorous act? And would that not be an impeachable offense? If not, couldn’t charges be brought against BO in some sort of civil proceeding?
We’ve got to stop that monster before it’s too late.
I find it funny, that conservatives are howling about stripping liberties after the things that George Bush did. Where were you when the patriot act passed? In practice, this is a far greater threat to my personal liberties than this executive order.
Because it’s easy for the President to just revoke the Executive Order, or Congress to pass a law to overturn it. And, interpol doesn’t seem to have widespread operations in the US. The chances that I’ll met a interpol agent are slim. The chances that I’ll meet a police officer using powers given to him by the patriot act that are a abuse against my liberty is every day.
Not that I don’t find this order troubling. All police forces need oversight. It’s also why the President and head of the Department of Defense are civilians, overseeing the military.
Note that part of the patriot act allowed police forces to do things w/o warrants or review, and allowed recipients to be gagged so they could not talk about it.
This is the EXACT same thing that you are complaining about here: Police force w/o oversight. (If not one is collecting data, there can be no oversight.) So WAKE UP.
While you are busy with name calling on Obama, and propping up your side, you are ignoring the fact that ‘your side’ is just like the other side, and both aren’t for the people.
If you take the much harder tack, and hold the government accountable instead of focusing on petty political squabbles, change might be able to happen.
But, go ahead, continue to divide the nation into two camps, it’s what they want, and keeps the abuse train rolling.
But W destroyed HABEAS CORPUS!!!
Have any of you actually read the section of the US Code that applies to this? Or Reagan’s initial executive order (which is being amended) that granted INTERPOL status under said Code?
All Obama has done with this order is to remove a bunch of clauses that exempted INTERPOL and its employees from having to pay import, income, social security, and property taxes; as well as removing their immunity from search.
Let me put this simply so you can understand it:
Before Obama, INTERPOL didn’t have to pay taxes. Now they do.
Before Obama, INTERPOL couldn’t have their property searched. Now they can.
Do any of you research things on your own before you start foaming at the mouth or do you automatically fly into a fit of rage whenever you see the name Barack Obama?
Seriously, for your own sake, stop believing everything you read and start researching things for yourself. With the ease of publishing on the internet everyone with an agenda to promote can publish crap like this and call it “news,” and unfortunately there is a legion of people willing to accept it as gospel without doing any fact checking of their own.
The unwillingness of the public as a whole to investigate things on their own will do more harm to this country than anything Obama (or Bush) could.
INTERPOL has no Constitutional authority to operate within the United States and therefore no protection. If they attempt to enter my house (I know, not likely) they will be viewed as criminals and shot accordingly.
16. Joe
Excellent post Joe. Their objective is to obscure using left vs right ideology; dems and repubs are equally guilty of this tactic at the local state and national level. The objective of government, and statists in particular is control.
What is needed is neighborhood organizating. Interlocking fields of fire so that any one house or block of houses under assault by illegal international forces can be repelled by superior flanking defense. In other words, be your brothers keeper. There are far more of us than them. They have to know this will not stand. The founders would have been shocked it has taken so long for any form of second revolution to happen. Government out of control must be thrown out, by vote or by what ever means necessary. Not just removed, eliminated.
re: #16 Joe asks:
“Where were you when the patriot act passed?” and also said “Because it’s easy for the President to just revoke the Executive Order, or Congress to pass a law to overturn it.” Joe, your second point negates your first. Note that Bush signed the Patriot Act, which passed; that is, it was an act of Congress. That LAW (again, debated by and passed by both Houses of Congress) came about through the vigorous application of the democratic process, and was, by the way, upheld by the courts. What oversight and democratic process occurs when a President signs an Executive Order? Your absurd hyperventilating on the left regarding lost civil rights (see #17 rrbs: “But W destroyed HABEAS CORPUS!!!”) only set the stage for a true tyranny of the true (leftist) fascists, who never seem to observe a government intrusion they don’t like, as long as its in the name of equality or justice (but, never in the name of national security). No Joe, our two sides are NOT “just like the other.” The international left has no allegiance to country or Constitution, and electing this in-over-his-head man-child, simply because people from “your” side demonized GWB so much over the course of eight years, has had – and will continue to have – disastrous results for our nation.
Allow me to invoke the rationale employed by so many right wing fascists in support of the Patriot Act . . . “If you’re not a war criminal, you have nothing to worry about.”
The problem is, who decides who is a war criminal? Under what law, would using too much carbon be a war against humanity? Not knowing what laws govern us would make anyone subject to search, seizure and indefinite detainment.
Please note, if you don’t know by now, the Republican/Democratic Parties are on the opposite side of the same coin.
“This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.”
Will American police forces operating in conjunction with or as an agent of Interpol be similarly freed of constitutional restraints?
18 chris:
FYI, Reagan’s original order (Executive order 12425) can be found at Wikisource, here. Note the language:
INTERPOL), in which the United States participates pursuant to 22 U.S.C. 263a, is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act; except those provided by Section 2(c), the portions of Section 2(d) and Section 3 relating to customs duties and federal internal-revenue importation taxes, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act.
Here is the relevant language from section 2(c):
Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.
Before Obama struck out that clause, as he did here:
it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words “except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act” and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.,
Interpol was not exempt from having its property searched. Now it is. Bob Owens and Threatwatch are exactly accurate on what Obama did. As to whether they are correct in that this was a first step toward joining the ICC, I fear they are correct in that as well.
Typical knee-jerked, unresearched, fearmongering.
Here are some facts for you to think about and make a informed, reasonable decision.
1) Obama’s Executive Order makes a minor modification to the original EO 12425 signed June 16, 1983 by President Reagan. Reagan’s EO is what gave INTERPOL it’s designation as an public international organization, not Obama’s. Section 2(b) gives them what is commonly called “diplomatic immunity”, and that has always been allowed since 1983.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12425
2) The Department of Justice acts as the US’s representative to INTERPOL. INTERPOL has no operational agents – they are primarily a knowledge exchange. Enforcement is carried out by law authorities in the countries.
http://www.justice.gov/usncb/
So either this is no big deal because it’s going to be the US DOJ breaking down your door, not a bunch of Frenchies wearing INTERPOL badges. Or you should be pissed at the three Republican presidents that could have changed this EO and didn’t.
Have fun.
Delightfully ironic, isn’t it, that this sorry excuse for a Commander-in-Chief gets away with virtually everything the sickening left dishonestly accuses GWB of doing?
Let the reckoning begin. May it end not a moment sooner than it takes to rid the political landscape of his type for as long as reasonably possible.
In hindsight it will become apparent that the one who was to represent the mighty change his fellows sought will be the one who did them the most harm.
No justice, no peace?
Beware what you wish for.
Chris @ 18:
You need some remedial reading lessons.
The original text of the statutory language granted immunity from searches, duties, taxes, etc. Reagan’s EO removed those, in other words, Reagan did what you are claiming Obama did. Obama’s amandment to the EO reinstated all the immunities including 2(c) which says “Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.”
You, sir, are a freaking moron.
So … this means that Interpol could arrest Barrack Obama or Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi for making and accepting bribes, kick backs, etc?
It might not be the intent here, but the great danger in this is that it opens up the possibility for agencies of vast resources and power to basically spy on anyone in this country they wish to–if they can get away with it without being discovered. With these new policies, I should think that often times they will be able to, since surreptitious surveillance can be a hard thing to determine.
Once again, not saying this is the intent, but the great danger then is that it opens up the possibility for a foreign organization to begin to “help” out anyone in the U.S. it wishes ti–businesses (of fellow country men or domestically owned), politicians viewed as “worthy” of help, etc. Once again, not saying it is the intent, but merely that men are not angels and that Horatius’ Law always applies:
“If power is abusable it will be abused.”
And indeed it is in the area of helping collect “oppo” on those deemed to be a threat to those favored by the international cosmocrats that the greatest potential for abuse lies.
For we forget–to our peril–that the rest of the world is not like the United States. Here, for all the myriad faults and injustices over the years, we still basically expect the government to be held in place by the rule of law. If the law says it cannot be done, it cannot be done, no matter how powerful the official wishing it. And I submit that in many (if not most) parts of the world (including Europe), the commitment to the idea of the governors being under the same rules as the governed is, is, at best, a work in progress.
In short, we forget at our peril that corruption to benefit keeping those in power in power–the Chicago Way–is a given and basic fact of life in much of the world today, and to think that a foreign agency is not going to abuse power merely because we have vague and gauzy notions about the international brotherhood of man is the road to slavery paved with good intentions.
If we won’t trust governmental agencies in this country (FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.) with unchecked power, despite our nation’s *proven* track record of commitment to the rule of law (even with all the deviations), then I submit we are fools to trust blindly organizations made up of individuals who come from lands with long and storied traditions of deferring to power and using police powers to keep the populace in check (for example, see the secret police of Napoleon (both I and III)).
This power of INTERPOL’s is abusable, and this it will eventually be abused–and politics is the field it will most likely be abused in. We are foolish to allow this move by the President to long stand, and those on the left who have remained relatively silent have once again proved they care more for liberal political power than American political principle. We must get back to a common commitment to certain basic American values, instead of allowing the spirit of faction and party to determine where we stand on any issue. This decision must be reversed.
Isn’t the internet great. How would we have been made aware of this travesty without the great work of the two investigators and their putting it out over the web?
colagirl’s (and rkconservative’s) analysis is correct. some double negatives involved in the language of the eo.
By exempting INTERPOL’s U.S. operations from “search”; they now have more protections than those provided U.S. citizens by the 4th Amendment, above and beyond the Constitution; and protections we wisely do not grant to the FBI, CIA, etc. They may now operate in complete secrecy, not subject to the law of the land as are other “diplomatic” types.
I would dare add that the Democrats could use this newly-penned protection of INTERPOL (who operates cheek-to-jowel within the U.S. Department of Justice) to go after not only government-role political opponents but also those citizen conservatives they have taken to calling “extremists”. For example, an American conservative in very vocal support of Israel could conveniently be deemed a “terrorist” by Palestine and INTERPOL sent to gather them up to face their “accuser” in a foreign trial. But no records of this will be available to anyone.
The potential negative ramifications of this are stunning and it speaks volumes about both the deliberate blindness of the American media where all things Barack are concerned and the overall ignorance of the American people.
Can we impeach him now? Wouldn’t that be a clear violation of his oath to uphold the Constitution?
Relax all of you.
The D.C. law firm of Covington and Burling, ever alert to the slightest deprivation of mealtime rights at Guantonamo, will be suing tomorrow to revoke this.
The New York Times will issue an editorial condemning the “silent erosion” of rights while the Los Angeles Times decries “the unaccountable executive’s disdain for the democratic process.”
Code Pink will protest, the ACLU will sue and Al Gore, who has sleepless nights over the melting of an iceberg, will be making a speech tomorrow.
Matt Lauer will harshly question an administrative flunky about it. College presidents will send a protest letter to the NY Times.
Hollywood’s finest will wear ribbons in protest.
Please explain in what way, shape, form or manner an Executive Order is binding on ANYONE except Executive Branch employees? I know the Left seems to have an impression that the President can sign an EO and “… stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kind of cool.”
Also kind of ignorant.
To #36: Eisenhower: executive order to desegregate public schools. Roosevelt: executive order that gave the military authority to remove any or all people in a military zone, thereby sending Japanese-Americans to internment camps. Neither of these bound solely “Executive Branch employees”.
The courts have only overturned 2 executive orders (Truman’s attempt to integrate the military, and Clinton’s attempt disallow the federal government from making contracts with companies who had strike-breakers on their payroll). Congress can overturn an executive order if they pass legislation to 180 degree counter it or if they refuse to approve funding that would help enforce it. But the president retains veto power, which then forces Congress to override that veto with a 2/3 majority vote.
In this particular case, however, Congress isn’t even paying any attention.
As John W. implied, can we all get a grip here? First off, since the CONstitution isn’t legally binding on anybody, the feddle gummint has ZERO legitimacy and ZERO legal authority. And even if it did, and the CONstitution were “the supreme law of the land,” there is no provision whatsoever for executive orders [or government foreign aid, or Medicare, or Social Security, or . . . (add your own million items here, please)]
If we elect a large enough majority of Conservatives in 2010, we can impeach the Buffoon-In-Chief at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (and his whole clique) and replace them with someone who loves this country, and maybe even with someone whose spouse has been proud of this country since before 2008…
WE NEED TO FIGHT THE B******DS and TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK
WE NEED TO GO TO WAR!
#36, John W.
It was an “Executive Order” that sent all of those with Japanese Ancestry to concentration camps in WW2…
They are not foreigners, they are your forefathers.
Buy more ammunition.
Yet another result of dimwitted “independent” Americans deciding that “both parties are alike” and allowing the party of slavery, secession, the KKK, Jim Crow, filibusters against the Civil Rights Act, and mass infanticide, to gain the total control of the government. Fortunately, Americans have gradually given their rights away for decades by compromising with the party of slavery in order to be civil so the international control won’t really seem all that bad. You know, having the water temperature gradually raised as opposed to just tossing us in to boiling water.
Keep up the good work you “moderate” “independent” folks; you’re reaping the fruits of your own labors and your own lack of labors.
have a nice day (as long as that’s legal)
“First off, since the CONstitution isn’t legally binding on anybody, the feddle gummint has ZERO legitimacy and ZERO legal authority. ”
or:
“WE NEED TO FIGHT THE B******DS and TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK
WE NEED TO GO TO WAR!”
a photo finish!let’s go to the judges….
jeff…. you are a liar or a complete fool.
In 2000 obammy mammy pledged his full support of the millenium project which has buired in it and now surfaces the Roam Criminal Statue which includes a setting up of un judges whose rule is over any and all laws of any other nation. The traitor in office was all for that… 9 years ago and his being in office has brought this eveil to fruition.
Stop trying to sugar coat a turd as just chocolate.
Otherwise, you’ll be eating your own.
dh
Lot of states rights issues going to play out because of this EO.
If the states choose to ignore this EO they have every right under the constitution… would be interesting to see if some of the states arrest interpol ppl for breaking constitutional laws or even state laws and how that plays out.
Being this order seems to remove interpol from “fed control” the state can use it to argue the fed has to standing in what the state does to interpol because they’ve washed they’re hands of them.
Its things like this that were why the founders so strongly believed in stated rights and that we live in a union.
Our military trains and trains and trains to defeat foreign threats
but how often, or do they even have a clue as to how, “exactly” do they carry out their oath to defend this country against domestic enemy’s ????????? ————- uh, thought so.
Interpol is still within gun control.
Come onto my property, and I will teach you about gun control you limey shits!
“The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable”
The removal of this exclusion is what all the fuss is about. To those that are schooling us about reading comprehension. Ok FOR GOVERNMENTS
Chris you have it precisely backwards. I don’t know how you can have it so far backwards but you do. Interpol now enjoys those protections that Reagan denied the organization. They have immunity from search or seizure of the property they bring into the country. And they now have immunity from prosecution. Wait until the first American citizen is simply taken from our nation to an international court. Then watch Obama bow to whomever is in charge of the court and say, ‘thank you sir, may I have another?’
chris:
Have any of you actually read the section of the US Code that applies to this? Or Reagan’s initial executive order (which is being amended) that granted INTERPOL status under said Code?
All Obama has done with this order is to remove a bunch of clauses that exempted INTERPOL and its employees from having to pay import, income, social security, and property taxes; as well as removing their immunity from search.
Let me put this simply so you can understand it:
Before Obama, INTERPOL didn’t have to pay taxes. Now they do.
Before Obama, INTERPOL couldn’t have their property searched. Now they can.
The same administration wants to put CIA agents on trial,the poor misguided leftist rabble
rousers will be judged in this coming fall,tree leaves will not be the only things falling.
The fact that PM’s liberal trolls are against the Patriot Act and for this executive order is proof that they have no principles and are hypocrites.
PROOF OF HYPOCRISY!!!11!!!1
At least us right wingers have the whole “international organization” thing as evidence that we are not hypocrites.
Obama Surrenders U.S. Sovereignty:
His INTERPOL Executive Order
Obama can give us the run-around,
but he cannot hide the facts;
INTERPOL can collect all the data
they want; As soon as they try
to use it, to affect the lives
of US citizens, they are both
tossed out on their ears.
I’m sure it’s a setup to work like ECHELON, we take care of Europe’s little problems and they take care of ours.
Excuse the spelling, pardon the grammer. Gaskets blow when traitors back stab us all. There is no other way around this. This is high treason.
dh
#48 Joe Mudd
None of us were ‘trained’ persay in “how” but I assure you as a vet that if the need arises millions of armed American WILL put an end to this insanity. To those who harbor fears that the US Military will turn their weapons on fellow citizens I’d suggest you not loose any more sleep over it. A minscule minority might be tempted (due to ignorance) to obey such an unlawful and imoral order but sane minds will prevail.
No one care about this sort of silly stuff.
I want to know what Michelle Obama wore to the beach today!
Obama!
Obama!
Obama!
John,
Who do you think enforces all those silly random laws, ordinances, statutes, and orders? The executive branch. It does not matter if the other branches of government disagree. The Executive just told you what they will and will not do.
36. John W.:
Please explain in what way, shape, form or manner an Executive Order is binding on ANYONE except Executive Branch employees? I know the Left seems to have an impression that the President can sign an EO and “… stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kind of cool.”
Also kind of ignorant.
Obama will be showing his colors when Dr. Major Assassin is formally charged. If if does not include treason then what universe do we live in? A commissioned officer murdering soldiers on an U.S. Army base is treason, especially when shouting the enemies’ battle cry. Now we have a Nigerian who has committed espionage by trying to murder innocent civilans and do you think they will charge him with espionage, which carries the death sentence? NOT. Obama is a one-worlder just like his trilateral commission sponsors. I didn’t vote for the nigerian.
Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html
So, Interpol gets a bye in the U.S. and Navy Seals get a court martial.
Where is our Commander in Chief on this one?
Obama is a TRADER! Why did I vote for him!!!!!!
#26 Ben:
“So either this is no big deal because it’s going to be the US DOJ breaking down your door, not a bunch of Frenchies wearing INTERPOL badges. Or you should be pissed at the three Republican presidents that could have changed this EO and didn’t.”
I’m glad you brought this up, because it’s exactly what I was thinking of.
The gigantic hole in your apologia is that those very same DoJ agents won’t actually “be” DoJ agents at all, o best beloved, but will be acting in their official capacity as INTERPOL drones.
Why look! They have their “INTERPOL” smocks on OVER their “Federal Agent” windbreakers.
Don’t you see?
So you will be held at an “Interpol” facility,(that looks a very great deal like your local friendly Federal hoosegow),until you are extradited…someplace…(no one will have to tell you or your family…diplomatic immunity, y’see), to face a bill of indictment,(sorry, but they won’t have to show ANY US law enforcement agency ANYTHING…again, immunity), to face charges of breaking a law that was passed by…somebody,(just stop pestering them with your bleating about your “rights” or your grub will be misplaced for a few days!).
I imagine that you’ll have plenty of time to re-read your Solzhenitsyn while you are in custody…maybe write a few chapters of your own.
Mr. Owens uses US troops as his cassus belli, but in no way should this be construed that it will only be US servicemen who are in jeopardy behind this. You…yes YOU! in East Podunk! At that computer! YOU could be “disappeared” with very little fuss or bother on anyone’s part…except your own, (and YOU’RE a WAR CRIMINAL…so who cares?).
Now, several of our slobbering moonbats are swinging their pathetic little broomsticks at “W”s (Bipartisan, btw), PATRIOT Act pinata as though this is some kind of equivalence…”same-same, big DEAL!”.
I respond to their utterly predictable and already threadbare “Bush did as bad” argument with a smirking question:
The Worm turns, my little moonbat hobbits. Would you lot fancy Dark Lord Dick Cheney having such a tool at his disposal?
Hmmmm?
That may very well be nearly what happens soon…in fact, I’d BET on it.
This EO is arguably grounds for impeachment.
Mr. Obama swore to preserve and protect the Constitution and faithfully execute the duties of the office.
A President does not have the Authority to unilaterally abrogate the Constitution or the duty to abdicate the national sovereignty. In fact, even a President and a Congressional majority does not have that power. Only The People.
There’s an amendment in there, (and one of the first ones, too!), about billeting troops upon the citizenry. (Not to mention that bit in the Declaration about Bad ol’King George importing foreign troops to make War, (violence in furtherance of government policies), upon the People.
Geez, and the idiots who elected this clown (President Usurper) wonder why we question his citizenship. I doubt Obama is an American citizen. We shall see next month! This current administration is anti-American and is destroying our country!
This INTERPOL initiative superbly dovetails with Obama’s other, complementary idea regarding the manner the USA should be run (hint: a Civilian Security Force, scarily reminding of SS or NKVD – and Chevez’s last week centralization of the Venezuela police force):
Obama [Colorado Springs speech, June 2, 2008], link bellow:
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s -
RE #19/Jeff:
[...] INTERPOL has no Constitutional authority to operate within the United States and therefore no protection. [...]
Jeff, I’m sorry but you’re a little bit behind the curve – why the INTERPOL cannot have constitutional authority to operate in the USA in a time when the current USA president is constitutionally ineligible to be the country’s… president?
Sorry, my friend, we have get used with the new logic of the game -
#37 Linguist:
“Eisenhower: executive order to desegregate public schools. Roosevelt: executive order that gave the military authority to remove any or all people in a military zone, thereby sending Japanese-Americans to internment camps. Neither of these bound solely “Executive Branch employees”.”
As far as I know, FDR was acting as Commander in Chief in a time of declared War, (by Congress n’ sh*t! Imagine THAT! Congress actually performing one of it’s enumerated Powers!).
And Ike was enforcing the 1954 Brown v. Topeka Board of Education Supreme Court decision, so I guess he was fulfilling his Executive duty as the nation’s First Law Enforcement Officer.
“The courts have only overturned 2 executive orders (Truman’s attempt to integrate the military, and Clinton’s attempt disallow the federal government from making contracts with companies who had strike-breakers on their payroll).”
I don’t believe Truman had any kind of Supreme Court decision OR Congressional law he could claim to be enforcing…he just basically WANTED it so.
Clinton? God ony knows what Slick Willy was thinking…prolly some union floozy wiggled her behind at him and he lost his mind and tried to lockout non-union companies from Fed contracts like NORMAL guys would buy a dame a nice dinner.
Now from where Barack Obama gets this particular mandate power to usurp the authority to act is anyone’s guess, (aside from the “Smart Harvard Coolness” of his Alleged Hawaiianess).
“In this particular case, however, Congress isn’t even paying any attention.”
Good Lord, man! They can’t even keep track of how many DISTRICTS that they’re shovelling Other Peoples’ Money into…how can we expect these autards to grasp these esoteric concepts ?
It’s rather inhumane of us to do so. Leave them to their coloring books and non-toxic crayons, wilya?
I have question
Is there a connection between Homeland security the patriot & the executive order 13524 & the UN peace keeping troops. to have the north american union established.
This report makes my hair stand on end. Absolutely terrifying.
And the American sheeple snooze away…………
colagirl at #25 has it right…
Congress passed the International Organizations Immunities Act in 1945. The public international organizations enjoying immunity under the International Organizations Immunities Act are designated by executive order, and there are dozens of them (including such luminous bodies as the World Health Organization, the Europen Space Agency, the International Fertilizer Commission, and the Inter-American Tropical Tuna Commission.)
As colagirl points out, Section 2(c) of the International Organizations Immunities Act grants the following immunities: “Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.”
So Section 2(c) of the International Organizations Immunities Act means property and assets of public international organizations are immune from search and from confiscation. And their archives are “inviolable”.
Reagan’s 1983 EO granted INTERPOL status as a public international organization under the International Organizations Immunities Act, but Reagan’s EO had explicit limitations. Specifically, again as colagirl points out, Reagan’s EO explicitly carves out Section 2(c) of the International Organizations Immunities Act. Reagan’s EO reads as follows:
“(INTERPOL), in which the United States participates pursuant to 22 U.S.C. 263a, is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act; except those provided by Section 2(c), the portions of Section 2(d) and Section 3 relating to customs duties and federal internal-revenue importation taxes, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act.”
So, under Reagan’s EO, Interpol is designated a “public international organization” and enjoys the protections of the International Organizations Immunities Act, EXCEPT for the listed provisions, including Section 2(c), of the International Organizations Immunities Act
For over 25 years we’ve said to INTERPOL “under U.S. law, your property and assets are NOT immune from search and are NOT immune from confiscation and your archives are NOT inviolable”.
Until December 16, 2009. Obama’s EO reads: “it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983 [Reagan's EO - ed.], as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words ‘except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act’ and the semicolon that immediately precedes them”.
So, now, the property and assets of INTERPOL are immune from search and from confiscation. And their archives are “inviolable”.
Others can draw their own implications, but let there be no doubt: the Obama administration has granted INTERPOL immunity from U.S. law regarding search and seizure of its property, assets, and archives which it has never enjoyed before.
Thanks, colagirl, for your precise and correct reading of the two EOs.
Interpol shows up at my door and I’ll introduce them to Buck and Ball. We will see how much protection that Presidential Order provides.
To #67 Bilge: My post was a response to a question on the issuance of EOs that bound more than those in the Executive Branch. I simply cited the most well-known of them.
You’re correct in that the courts did not overturn Truman’s desegregation order but instead his attempt to gain federal control of the steel mills that was deemed making law instead of clarifying it.
To #67 Bilge: My post was in response to the question of whether an EO ever bound anyone other that those in the Executive Branch. I simply cited two of the biggest ones.
But you’re right about the courts not overturning Truman’s desegregation EO; it was instead his EO to federalize the steel mills that was found to be an attempt to make law, not clarify it. Thanks for catching that.
Better dead than red.
We’ve never yet had an impeachment for treason.
We have, by contrast, and admirable tradition of not criminalizing political policy matters, which has given us far greater political stability and civility that the rest of the world.
But we’re in a special sort of jam here. We really have to start looking into extraordinary measures and evaluating the practical possibilities.
There’s no point in worrying about our civic manners when the nation itself is about to be lost.
Or, as Akira Kurosawa put it in the movie, The Seven Samurai “You’re worrying about your beard when your head is about to be cut off!”
Some legal eagles have got to start looking into what would be required to bring an impeachment for treason.
Certainly this SOB in the oval office is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.
Just another stomach turning display of our anti-American president out to destroy our constitution and our country! We must all get behind the tea party movement, it up to “We the People”! I pray to God that we stand up and be heard, for our children and grandchildren’s sakes as I no longer recognize my beloved country!!!
Obama is going after Dubya and those who helped him govern. Obama doesn’t have the balls to go after Dubya like a man … Cheney has already snipped the little peanuts that Obama has … so he’s using Interpol and the ICC in a roundabout fashion to do what he dares not. This WILL come back to bite his ass.
This is an impeachable offense. Obama is bordering on treasonous acts.
It’s important to remember that only treaties are constitutionally binding when it comes to modifying our Constitution or rights of citizens as stated in Article 6 Paragraph 2: “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.” Therefore an Executive Order which is not backed by treaty or US law is unenforceable. By the way, this also is why treaties can be so dangerous; they become part of the Supreme Law of the Land.
However, Mr. Obama’s (he still hasn’t proven he’s eligible to hold the office of the presidency) EO 13524 which amends EO 12425 is governed by Public Law 79-291 which as I read it already exempts such organizations from Constitutional restraints. So the question is, is Public Law 79-291 constitutional? I think not. Furthermore, can any EO change a law passed by Congress? Again, I think not.
It should be remembered that “progressives” are not only sore losers, they’re sore winners. Their linage goes back to the Jacobeans of the French Revolution so they literally want the blood of their opponents. For them, the greeting should be Sieg Heil Comrade Citizen.
Hussein Obama is not an American in any sense. I personally don’t think he was born in America and his actions show that he is Anti-American in every sense of the word. I would not serve under this worthless excuse of a President! Hussein Obama and his Legion of Demons are America’s Greatest Enemy! They need to be disposed of ASAP!
IMPEACH HUSSEIN OBAMA! AMERICA’S GREATEST ENEMY!
So- I guess this is more of that ‘change’ stuff we heard so much about…
To all concerned:
The case for fraud and treason against Barry Soetoro and his criminal associates has already been made.
http://americangrandjury.org/public/super_jury/oct7_presentments.pdf
Interpol facts:
Interpol is NOT a law enforcement agency
Interpol does NOT make arrests
Interpol was NEVER subject to the FOIA to begin with. The FOIA only applies to U.S. Government. Interpol is an International Organization. So you have no more FOIA rights with Interpol then you did back in 1966 when Johnson enacted the FOIA.
Interpol provides local law enforcement like the FBI with information about internation criminals. The FBI would then verify the information they received and then make the arrest.
Furthermore, what assets are you planning to search and seize from Interpol? They are a data warehouse for 188 countries. This would be like going to the French Embassy in the US and telling them that you have a warrant to search their property. Interpol is NOT run by the US Government.
Does anyone here even know what Interpol is for? Check out http://www.interpol.int and find out for yourself.
Stop being so scared of everything and believing everything that you are told. I was a proud conservative until Obama took office. Then I realized how scared conservatives are of absolutely everything. Instead of fighting for important things like job growth, or fighting to get the banks to be responsible for their actions, you all are worried that Interpol now receives the same rights that other International Organizations are afforded here.
Ben @ 26
I couldn’t agree more. I found out about this Executive Order on my gun owners forum and everyone was acting much the same way everyone is here. In panic.
You would think that if what the OP here says was true that Fox News and Glenn Beck would be all over it. And yet, they aren’t. And the reason is because it was misinterpreted to begin with.
I’m not an Obama supporter, but I am a huge supporter of the truth, and I’m starting to wonder if people even care what the truth is, or if they only care about making one political party look worse than the other.
This guy is so cunning. He signed this thing without even mentioning it to the American people. What a SCUM BAG! This whole thing allows INTERPOL to operate within the USA, WITHOUT CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS! In other words, SEARCH AND SEIZURE without A WARRANT…FOR ANY REASON! THIS IS DISGRACEFUL! This is the kind of stuff that should be loaded into the guns of the oposition when it comes to 2010 and 2012. FOR THIS FACT ALONE, THIS IDIOT SHOULD BE CHARGED WITH TREASON! SUCH A FOOL!
Here we go again. Obama is destroying us piece by piece. This is treason, plain and simple. This government has committed every single act of treason and thievery against its citizens for this entire year. We need to start reasoning as clear-thinking citizens and realize that everything that has been done up to this point is all the reason we need to impeach this entire government now. How dare this man put us in harms way – how dare he. If we do not do what needs to be done immediately, we will no longer be a nation that is feared by other countries. We will be just like them.
#84 Steve:
“Then I realized how scared conservatives are of absolutely everything. Instead of fighting for important things like job growth, or fighting to get the banks to be responsible for their actions, you all are worried that Interpol now receives the same rights that other International Organizations are afforded here.”
Uh-huh. And what other “international organizations” gather intelligence on American citizens for the purpose of prosecuting them under laws that the US did not pass?
Interpol ain’t the International Red Cross, my man, so stop trying to get folks to believe that it is essentially the same thing.
“Interpol provides local law enforcement like the FBI with information about internation criminals. The FBI would then verify the information they received and then make the arrest.”
On what basis would a warrant be issued when the affidavit to secure the warrant would be inviolable under diplomatic immunity?
What kind of court would issue such a warrant?
Some dude somewhere alleges something about you, and the FBI, acting as Interpol’s agents, arrest and detain you.
Look, international intelligence sharing among law enforcement agencies is an essential tool, but when it comes to arresting US citizens on US territory, any action must respect the rights of the citizen…or else the Constitution and our Sovereignty are effectively overthrown.
US Federal Law Enforcement Agencies MUST answer to US Citizens…they were not created or maintained to do the bidding of “international organizations”.
“Stop being so scared of everything and believing everything that you are told.”
If you’re not al the least concerned, then you REALLY aren’t paying attention.
To 84. Steve
For someone making some claims I find great irony in this claim.
“The FBI would then verify the information they received and then make the arrest.”
You do understand that the FBI has no legal authority to arrest ppl right? Unless your saying this EO changed that….
So you got in trouble in Paris. You helped out a citizen by fighting off a mugger and now the mugger has brought charges against you. Interpol quietly comes in to the USA, grabs you from you warm bed, transports you back to Paris for trial. Though, you protested, the Obama administration points out that Interpol has the authority to do this. They suggest you find a local lawyer.
While is may or may not be possible under this new freedom loss, I don’t want to find out. Every time there is any distraction Obama signs another freedom away.
I love it when leftists try to excuse 0bama’s patently treasonous conduct by screeching that “Bush did this!” or “Bush did that!” It only shows that their entire “hope and change” platform really held no hope or change from the status quo.
If anything, “Hope and Change” is just leftspeak for “Taxation and Tyranny.”
2010 and 2012 can’t get here fast enough. It’s time to sweep these national socialists clean out of Washington for good.
Well, just how’s that hope and change working for US now?????
steve,
You’re full of shit, you’re a liberal.
obammy is a traitor and people like you seek to minimize the coverage of the damage that’s being done.
INTERPOL is a police force. They now have a free hand to do whatever they please in this country to our citizens with the scum bag obammy mammy’s full and complete blessings. We are left to defend ourselves. From fakes like you too I might add.
INTERPOL is not a law enforcement agency. It is an intelligence gathering org. What Obama has done is give them carte blanc to investigation and spy on American citizens with no judicial oversight. No FOIA, no SCOTUS, no recourse. Then that information may be passed to any of the 80 Interpol nations without your knowledge. Be afraid very afraid!
I would not have voluntary-enlisted to serve in Korea had this treasonous act been in force during that era. Obviously Obama has not served honorably in our military or any other position in our up-side down government!!!
#84 Steve; You are an IDIOT, we need to get you off the streets before someone has a real discussion with your dumb A–.
What’s Interpol? Why does it need complete secrecy on it’s documents? CIA, FBI – don’t need it, but Interpol does. Is Interpol just a tiny little organization, whose only purpose is to make nice presentations?
Well, Interpol itself boasts that it is the “world’s largest police organization”…
http://www.interpol.int/Public/News/2009/American20090904.asp
Can it become like East German “stasi”? And if not – I would like to understand what are the exact LEGAL limits on its power, including transparency?
BTW, Steve, you said that Interpol was not subject to FOIA. Let me ask you – in this case, why did Obama made an executive order which specifically proclaimed that Interpol is off limits to the US Courts and FOIA?
Lastly, Steve, you claimed you were a conservative. All right. Explain why you voted for Bush against Kerry.
JUST ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF THE UNITED STATES….. TILL ENOUGH AMERICAN REMEMBER THAT WE ARE AMERICANS AND WE ONCE STOOD FOR SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD WANTED, TO BE LIKE US. TO COME HERE AND START A NEW LIFE AS AN AMERICAN…
FOR THE MOST PART WE BELIEVE IN GOD, NOT ALLAH. WE BELIEVED THAT RIGHT WAS MIGHT, AND THAT WE WOULD PREVAIL. WE HAVE HAD BAD TIMES , WE HAVE MADE MISTAKES BUT WE ALWAYS, DID OUR BEST. AND SOMETIMES UNDER THE WORST STRAIN THE BEST OF WHAT AMERICA, THE UNITED STATES COULD BE IS UNITED AGAINST An ENEMY THAT THREATEN OUR VERY EXISTENCE. THIS IS HOWEVER THE FIRST TIME THAT ENEMY HAS BEEN OUR OWN LEADERSHIP… THANK GOD FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT….
#81 billlwit
I agree! Scratch the “our president” from my earilier comment, Obama still has yet to prove that he is a natural born citizen! Has anyone heard of any of the outcomes from the lawsuits against Obama to produce his long form birth certifacte? This would not only take care of this EO, but get rid of Obama once and for all!!!
To 89, robotech master
No I was not aware that the FBI does not make arrests.
To 93 Dim Head Gear
Hi,
I could tell you all day long that it is snowing but you would still say that it isn’t. It doesn’t matter what proof you are shown unless it substantiates your case.
I’ll try this again, INTERPOl is not a police force. If you’d like to tell me again that I’m full of shit, please actually bring some sources.
to 95, don med
Please don’t threaten or try to intimidate me. I did two tours in Iraq. You don’t scare anyone.
@ 88, Bilgeman
“On what basis would a warrant be issued when the affidavit to secure the warrant would be inviolable under diplomatic immunity?
What kind of court would issue such a warrant?
Some dude somewhere alleges something about you, and the FBI, acting as Interpol’s agents, arrest and detain you.
Look, international intelligence sharing among law enforcement agencies is an essential tool, but when it comes to arresting US citizens on US territory, any action must respect the rights of the citizen…or else the Constitution and our Sovereignty are effectively overthrown.
US Federal Law Enforcement Agencies MUST answer to US Citizens…they were not created or maintained to do the bidding of “international organizations”.”
I appreciate your concern, I really do. And if we were talking about the FBI, DOJ, US Marshalls, etc I would be in full agreement. But all little old Interpol does is information gathering. They are the Google of International crime. Any information that is used to arrest you will still be scrutizined in an American court of law.
If I am wrong about all of this, please somebody provide some verifiable resources that prove it. Unlike some, my opinions are not set in stone. I’m open to see the other side because people lie, and sometimes what we are being sold is just snake oil.
Since he swore to uphold the US Constitution, does this mean he now is material to impeach?
To 96, Hyphenated American
“BTW, Steve, you said that Interpol was not subject to FOIA. Let me ask you – in this case, why did Obama made an executive order which specifically proclaimed that Interpol is off limits to the US Courts and FOIA?
Lastly, Steve, you claimed you were a conservative. All right. Explain why you voted for Bush against Kerry.”
I’m not sure I understand your connection between the FOIA and the Fourth Amendment. The EO states that property and assets of Interpol can’t be searched without consent. It says nothing about requesting information using the FOIA. Assuming you could use the FOIA to begin with, there would be nothing stopping you from doing so today. In fact, I challenge anyone to file an FOIA for Interpol and post the results. I have a feeling that you will be told that the FOIA does not apply to non-US Governments.
I don’t feel like I answered your question though, I don’t know why Obama made the changes. We could ask both Clinton and Reagan the same thing. I would be interested to know why he made the EO, but at the end of the day I don’t think it was for the reasons claimed by the McCarthy.
And let’s say this. So what if Interpol can do whatever they want. I’d love for them to come to my home and violate my rights. I got a brand new MR762 for Christmas that I’d love to test out.
I voted for Bush for many reasons, but the top 3 are
1. Bush is pro-life. I am a Christian and I believe that life begins at conception.
2. Gun policy – Gun makers should be immune from lawsuits. People kill people, not guns!
3. Bush supports the death penalty, Kerry doesn’t. Why should we pay for murders to live in Prison? Eye for an eye.
colagirl:
18 chris:
FYI, Reagan’s original order (Executive order 12425) can be found at Wikisource, here. Note the language:
INTERPOL), in which the United States participates pursuant to 22 U.S.C. 263a, is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act; except those provided by Section 2(c), the portions of Section 2(d) and Section 3 relating to customs duties and federal internal-revenue importation taxes, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act.
Here is the relevant language from section 2(c):
Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.
Before Obama struck out that clause, as he did here:
it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words “except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act” and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.,
Interpol was not exempt from having its property searched. Now it is. Bob Owens and Threatwatch are exactly accurate on what Obama did. As to whether they are correct in that this was a first step toward joining the ICC, I fear they are correct in that as well.
Great post.
TIME TO IMPEACH THE TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright people, we were stupid… harm done. Let’s move on this and fix it before it takes root.
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/
Get ahold of those senators and congressmen, and don’t give em a minutes peace till this is loudly exposed and corrected. Yes it will take far longer to correct than it did to implement, but this has to be the first step.
The question is what information will they have gathered, exported and hidden in the meantime?
I hope this isn’t leading to a revisiting of the stormtrooper mentality. (Reminiscent of Nazi’s… not Lucas)
I have a confession, I just found out that I was only partly correct about FOIA requests to Interpol. While it’s true that you can’t use the FOIA to request information directly from Interpol, you can however use the FOIA to request information from United States National Central Bureau of Interpol which is the United States representative to Interpol.
If you would like to file an FOIA with Interpol please stop complaining about it here and follow this link:
http://www.justice.gov/usncb/whoweare/foia.php
I’ve also included the contact information for the FOIA Pubic Liaison. I imagine you can just call them and find out if this EO impacts our ability to do FOIAs or not.
FOIA Public Liaison:
Dorothy S. Beaty
FOIA/ PA Specialist
Mailing Address:
Office of the General Counsel
INTERPOL-U.S. National Central Bureau
Department of Justice
Washington, D.C. 20530-0001
Telephone:
(202) 353-0803
Maybe Interpol has information that he doesn’t want others to see? What better way to safeguard than to remove FOIA access?
Steve: “I’ll try this again, INTERPOl is not a police force.”
Interpol website: “INTERPOL is the world’s largest international police organization, with 188 member countries.”
Anyway, no reply is given to the reasons why Interpol’s information should be protected more than all the secret files from the CIA and FBI. Indeed, why? Would any of the liberals here support if same protection was given to CIA – an organization that CANNOT arrest people in the US either. Ahm?
And here are a few more snippets on the Interpol:
Interpol claims it is the largest police organization in the world – which makes it sound quite benevelovent given that its materials are now unobtainable by the American Courts and American public. Cockroaches love when it’s dark, right?
Sudanese government asks Interpol to arrest the opposition leaders:
http://www.sudan.net/news/posted/16053.html
Interpol trying to arrest Ms.Bhutto:
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakis...
Interpol is attempting to arrest Venesuelian opposition leader
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j-U8BHosoUFOao2TvqezE...
I mean, if this does not look like the growth of stasi….
BTW, if Interpol has a warrant (asked for by Iran and granted by Interpol) to arrest Israeli politician who is visiting US – does the US police have to comply with this order or not? What happens if Interpol representatives visit the politican house – can they detain him? Can an Israeli politician force Interpol to open its files in the US? What does an Interpol warrant mean for the US law enforcement? Is it a piece of paper that they HAVE to ignore unless the US judge signs a warrant? If Interpol decides to spy in US on anti-Obama leaders – what is the legal remedy?
I am amazed how self-proclaimed civil-libertarians applaud the world largest police organization to become completely opaque to the public. Hope and Change!
Doesn’t anybody read history or still alive to remember the SS, Gastopo or any other of goon squads that invades yur privacy in the middle of the night?
It only took lenin 3 months to get the communist ball rolling, but his henchmen murdered millions to get the point accross – we’re getting close with interpol now to speed things along.
Obabma Sin Laden has been groomed and polished since he was a little wheezer to do the communist bidding – you don’t think they (Commies)weren’t comming through the back door did you?
“Stop being so scared of everything and believing everything that you are told. I was a proud conservative until Obama took office. Then I realized how scared conservatives are of absolutely everything.”
You are… without a doubt…. a liar. If you were truly a conservative, then you would never not be proud of that. No matter what.
As I said before, your easily spotted liberalism trying to hide under a few catch phrases,
“I voted for Bush for many reasons, but the top 3 are
1. Bush is pro-life. I am a Christian and I believe that life begins at conception.
2. Gun policy – Gun makers should be immune from lawsuits. People kill people, not guns!
3. Bush supports the death penalty, Kerry doesn’t. Why should we pay for murders to live in Prison? Eye for an eye.”
proves by your own words and efforts to deflect what is happening here … that you are full of shit.
another communist liberal outed.
MaCarthy was right about the communists in the democrat party, they should of all been shot on sight.
dh
I say that we use this law against Obama after Congress is taken back in 2010, right before it is rolled back. Wait until the shoe is on the other foot.
You are all nuts! Find something constructive to devote your time to!
Obama is break dancing on the Constitution.
Michelle, Having and expressing opinions are more constructive than trolling other peoples opinion then inserting hateful comments.
I wish I had written the commentposted by DARK HELMUT. My opinion agrees with his down to the last word. The last election was a disaster for the country. Thanks to criminal outfits like ACORN we are stuck with a leader who came out of nowhere with the plan to make our country The Unites Socialist States of America. Twenty-three years in the Marines learning how to kill commies… and now he wants me to be one! The vast majority of those people who cast their vote for him did so looking for a handout. Weeelll, sorry folks, but instead of a handout you are going to get a bill for more taxes… that is if you earn money the old fashion way.
May God in his mercy be kind to our country….. Semper Fidelis
Interpol has a checkered past ? are you serious ? the FBI and CIA supported by Mossad are the biggest trouble makers on our globe.
The USA should br glad that Europe is still associating with a wanna be World Power about to collapse.
I think it’s funny that now that we have a Demacrat in the White House Republicans are screaming about something like this and calling it an abuse of power. I remember vividly that under the Bush Administration George w. Bush and his kronies made a concerted effort under the direction of Richard Chenny to cast as much fear into the hearts of Americans in order to spoonfeed the idea that giving up our civil liberties in the name of national defense was a good thing. Then when this whole matter began to be investigated Mr Chenny and the rest of the White House denied the actions of The NSA. Later it was discovered that yes indeed, by the direct orders coming out of the White House that The NSA was indeed spying on Americans. The basic rights of Americans were trampled on daily under Bush and Chenny. And some of you are worried about this? AMAZING! I would be more concerned about giving up our freadoms as Americans at the hands of Those who want to instill fear in our hearts in order to tear away the basic fabric this country was founded under. Ask yourselves. What is Freedom? The fasted way to loose it is to give it away willingly.
On December 28 Chris wrote “[a]ll Obama has done with this order is to remove a bunch of clauses that exempted INTERPOL and its employees from having to pay import, income, social security, and property taxes; as well as removing their immunity from search.” (see comment no. 18) Unfortunately, this is completely incorrect.
EO 12425, issued by Reagan in 1983, designated Interpol as a public international organization and granted them the privileges, exemptions and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act. However, at the same time, Reagan wisely EXCLUDED provisions of the IOIA that would grant Interpol full diplomatic immunity (i.e. exemption from legal discovery or search and siezure).
Obama’s EO removed this exclusion, thus granting Interpol (and its officers) all the rights and privileges associated with full diplomatic immunity. To illustrate this point, Section 2(c), which was re-instated by the Obama EO, reads “[p]roperty and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.” Reagan intended for the information Interpol gathered in its investigations to be accessible by US law enforcement. Obama removed that accessibility.
Chris, before you attack other posters for not conducting their own research, you might want to be more careful in your own.
And yet INTERPOL cannot bring Sudans leader Bashir to justice for murdering thousands?NO,no bias there EH?
I’m struggling to understand why you guys are so upset that INTERPOL doesn’t have to pay taxes in the US now. I thought less taxation was a good thing.
As for the “search and seizure” issues, as far as I can tell all this EO is saying is that INTERPOL won’t be subject to FOIA requests, which sort of makes sense because INTERPOL is not a part of the US government. Only government agencies are subject to FOIA. The original EO from ’83 was the one that gave them magical diplomatic immunity power. It seems kind of weird to get all upset about it this late in the game.
Also, are there even anything called INTERPOL agents that could be subject to the hypothetical shootings being promised in this comment section? I thought INTERPOL just provided logistical support like computer databases, etc., for localized law enforcement.
Interpol cannot arrest anyone in the US. Chill.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Obama-Gives-Immunity-to-Interpol-What-Are-the-Facts
OMG-
What next? Will Obama assert that he has the power to imprison American citizens without habeas corpus, to deny american citizens the right to protest their imprisonment?
Perhaps even have the NSA conduct secret wiretapping and electronic surveillance without court oversight?
My God, the TYRANNY!
Wait…this is what both Bush AND Obama have already done.
Nevermind….as you were.
Our only hope in America now is turning back to God Almighty and the Lord Jesus Christ. God promised in HIS Word that if we turned back to Him and repented for our sins, HE would forgive our sins and heal our land.
We must restore prayer into schools and honor God and country. WE THE PEOPLE allowed that monster to get into office. There are many praying for him, but if he continues to spit in the face of God, I believe God will deal with him and avenge us of our enemy. It may sound far-fetched, but look at how our country was blessed for so long and the most powerful, protected nation in the world. That all came from honoring and blessing the Almighty God and doing things HIS way. There is an organization already working on impeaching Obama, but I am praying that hoping that we will be able to do it and that the USA will truly turn back to God.
Please don’t take what I say lightly. GOD BLESS YOU AND GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD HAVE MERCY ON AMERICA!!!
#121 Big Chief:
“I thought INTERPOL just provided logistical support like computer databases, etc., for localized law enforcement.”
Is that what their website tells you? Well okay, then! But since we don’t have FOIA powers to verify what they are claiming, we will really have no way of knowing exactly WHAT or WHO they are investigating and/or collecting intelligence on, or for what reasons.
Like I said, would you be comfortable with Dick Cheney having that kind of tool at his disposal?
“Also, are there even anything called INTERPOL agents that could be subject to the hypothetical shootings being promised in this comment section?”
As I understand it, INTERPOL agents are usually domestic law enforcement or intelligence types in their native countries, detailed to Interpol…”wearing two hats” as it were:
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Icpo/Recruitment/default.asp
So it raises the possibility that a US Fed LEO can develop an investigation and amass evidence under Interpol immunity, and then act under his US authority to make an arrest.
If said “crime” is say, an act that is legal here but illegal in one of the other 187 member Interpol countries, he could then get you extradited.
As an aside, the Presidents of Interpol from 1940-1945 make for an arching of the eyebrows, at the least:
http://www.interpol.int/Public/icpo/governance/sg/history.asp
Lessee, who and for what would a Reinhard Heydrich want his seconded Interpol/ FBI or ATF agents to investigate in the United States?
Jewish gun dealers holding export licenses, perhaps.
Why would the head of the SD/ President of Interpol want THAT information?
Addendum.
Interpol can’t seem to find a photograph of past President Ernst Kaltenbrunner on it’s “History” page, but I managed to dig one up of him in his spiffy uniform:
http://www.doew.at/service/ausstellung/1938/14/14_9_b.jpg
Of course, the fact that a past President of Interpol was hanged at Nuremberg as a war criminal must be a mite embarrassing to the organization…bad PR and all that.
One wonders that Her Kaltenbrunner didn’t claim diplomatic immunity from Allied detention and Nuremberg prosecution, eh?
Bilgeman:
“So it raises the possibility that a US Fed LEO can develop an investigation and amass evidence under Interpol immunity, and then act under his US authority to make an arrest.
If said “crime” is say, an act that is legal here but illegal in one of the other 187 member Interpol countries, he could then get you extradited.”
I don’t think that INTERPOL can actually arrest anyone in the USA for something deemed illegal in another member country. If it were that easy, don’t you think Roman Polanski would’ve been picked up years ago? As far as I can tell, INTERPOL provides some basic logistic support to nation-specific law enforcement, and doesn’t actually perform any “crime-fighting” functions in member countries.
That being said, I’d love to hear what the response is from the Obama administration on this.
I don’t think it can be more plainly stated (and I say this in total amazement that the Washington community is patently unable to recognize WHAT obama is): It is past time for barack hussein obama to be impeached, booted out, prosecuted, condemned and completely acknowledged as the traitorous enemy of the United States of America he portrays. He, his wife, his administration, his czars, his friends/associates have intended nothing but harm and betrayal to this nation. His ongoing campaign to bankrupt the US economically and to disintegrate our freedom and sovereignty, SHOULD speak volumes to the nation regarding his intentions. It is indeed tragic that our politicians and obama’s adoring public don’t get the picture after his weak and completely insincere responses to the terror attacks the nation has sustained. It is way past time to stop white washing this curse on the United States, and see obama for the filth that he is on the American landscape. HOPE AND CHANGE WE DO NEED… FROM this treasonous White House administration that is apparently bent on the ultimate victimization of our entire nation.
This is just another step toward the total destruction of the Constitution of the united States of America.The pretend president of the uSofA uses the constitution to wipe his rear end.
The only thing that has to occur is the President make plain what his intentions are and were at the time of signing the Executive Order. If he does not explain then his intentions are plain to all aren’t they? Surely the President will see how easy this is to clear up and will do the right thing which is what all of us want is it not? What is your explanation Mr. President, there is some worried People out here and it could get messy with out you speaking up on National Television; lots of People will watch, thats a promise.
There has not been a “constitution” since 1933….http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=State_of_national_emergency
Executive Orders are counter to the form of rupublic our forefathers erected,and all presidents have used them.Mostly to hide the powers that be from such things a freedom of information requests.Unfortunatly, in politics and nation building, the history always goes from freedom from oppression to being the oppressors of your own citizens and/or others.If anyone knows how to stop 10,000 years of human greed and self-destruction, let me know….
127. Big Chief:”That being said, I’d love to hear what the response is from the Obama administration on this.”
There ya go Sparky…..
one world government
everyone disarmed
all nations subject to unaccountable un court.
Enjoy that tv dinner…..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/23/obama-united-nations-speech-assembly
You all wanted C H A N G E?
This is about one thing and one thing only; the persecution and prosecution of President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. As Barry Obambi’s administration becomes more and more chaotic and out of control he will depend more and more on the vilification of President Bush and VP Cheney to try and distract the chattering masses from focusing on how much he sucks as a leader. Since Barry Obambi also understands that he’s never going to be able to have Bush and/or Cheney arrested by any American agency he’s going to use INTERPOL to do his dirty work and have President Bush and VP Cheney arrested and carted off to Geneva so the Euro Trash can get their jollies by trying them as war criminals.
the last i knew the italians were trying to arrest or extradite cia members for the abduction of terrorists from their country. does this mean interpol can now slip into this country, kidnap cia members, and take them out of the country without being stopped? i cant picture the cia going quietly.
When I watched during his lying campaigning I knew he would do something severe to our freedom. I believe he is so inexperienced and does not have the slightest idea about how to run our country, that he relishes the idea of impeachment. If I am right,then all of you need to go to the website Impeach Obama. I would rather die standing on my feet for my country, then die on my knees begging for mercy from my government.
if given the choise: bill clinton getting oral sex in the oval office or this traitor to the country, id go with bill any day. he was impeached. whats taking so long for this pile of dung?
Having read all of the above posts I have a question.
1. What purpose was served by changing the EO at this point in time and how will it affect any of the designs or agendas of this administration?
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“The Department of Justice acts as the US’s representative to INTERPOL. INTERPOL has no operational agents – they are primarily a knowledge exchange. Enforcement is carried out by law authorities in the countries.”
In case nobody noticed this asinine statement (I didn’t read all the comments) THIS (the American Agents working FOR INTERPOL that have total immunities and broad brush imprisonment rights where they can keep you and your friends under lockup for any charge they want or want to make up. They can confiscate your belongings including of course your guns and ammo and even your vehicles.
Of course I have already had all my guns “stolen” so of course I have no Ammo. Looks like I will be immune until of course they find some reason to arrest me and stick me in some ICE camp in Texas.
Bad days are a coming…
Papa Ray
“The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
2009 Judge Alex Kozinski
Papa Ray
this website certainly likes cencorship. good thing ive kept my comments moderate. 1 of 3 has been posted. this will probably make 1 of 4
big brother has deleted another comment. did interpol tell tou to do it?
I read at the NYT and other places this EO was a holdover from Bush that he didn’t get around to amending. Interpol set up an office in NY in 2004 as a liason to the UN. From what I could make out, amending this EO was supposed to accommodate the UN/Interpol office in NY, or something. Seems strange that the UN would need an Interpol office, wouldn’t it? I’m still really confused about how exactly Interpol works. Could a foreign police agent acting as an Interpol agent arrest a US citizen on US soil without regard to his/her Constitutional rights? Is that what is happening?
It is rumored that Ronald Noble, head of INTERPOL, is being considered by the Obama administration to head the FBI.
If Mr. Noble is selected to head the FBI, his connections with INTERPOL and Obama’s recent grant of immunity will make hiding FBI documents out of the reach of the Freedom and Information Act not only feasible but likely.
As an American lawyer of African American descent and a former editor of the Stanford Review, Mr. Noble’s similarities with Obama are eerie. In a recent speech, Mr. Noble stated that he considers himself a citizen of all the countries involved with INTERPOL and embraces the “motherland” from which his “forefathers and foremothers were forcibly taken as slaves centuries ago”.
on top of all these matters, this moron takes a day off from golf and announces that the dare i say it terrorist that tryed to bring down the the detroit flight christmas, thats right christmas eve had al quieda connections. did the nitwit just figure this out between the 9th and 10th hole. then he has him arrested as a civilian entitled to all our rights. there is no excuse for this idiot. he is on his way to taking down this country
RUSH WAS RIGHT! AND BUY AMMO!
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Wake up daniel – that so labeled ‘terrorist’ the ‘underwear bomber’ was a sorry patsy. He was set up and because of that, our daughters and wives have to go through a naked body scanner to get on an airplane.
It is a way to keep us in fear of brown people and willingly give up our rights. If terrorists really wanted to kill people, why would they try to do it at places with the highest level of security? That being, airports. Don’t you think they would hit a mall or bridge where they didn’t have to go through any security?
Take a look at the bigger picture!
Tzipi Livni is not an “Israeli official”, she is the Leader of the Opposition, and a former foreign minister. She is a politician not an official.
The arrest warrant against her was issued by a British court in response to a request by lawyers acting for Palestinian victims of the Israeli invasion of Gaza. The warrant had nothing to do with Iran.
The attack on Gaza may have been provoked by Palestinian freedom fighters using mostly home made rockets against Israeli targets, but Israeli war crimes in retribution cannot be condoned or justified as inevitable.
Only war criminals and their apologists maintain that war crimes can be justified. No wonder Israel and the USA won’t join the International Criminal Court – Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia wouldn’t have done so either. Criminals never willingly submit to the jurisdiction of a court of law.
An opinion piece carries less weight if basic facts therein are incorrect.
do you have the same opinion of the shoe bomber? he was close. people on that plane got lucky too!
how can you label this terrorist a patsy when his own father ratted him out long before the incident? something is wrong with you.
Arvensis. it is you that should wake up. no patsy straps a bomb to his balls and then boards an international flight. they are called terorists. as to your question of why and where. in a mall his balls may have taken out a couple of innocents. if his balls blew out the side of the jet he may have taken 300. at least now we know he has no balls
i dont think this idiot has to worry about body scans anymore. not much left to scan. hopefully that is another gene pool that wont be passed along.
What everyone needs to realize is that Reagan or Obama, republican or democrat, it does not matter. This is yet another move by our government to relinquish it’s sovreignty to the “international community” as it is referred to in just about every political speech these days. This is part of an ongoing movement by the Council of Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and the very wealthy, powerful Bilderberg Group to form a One World Government. These are the people who really run this country and have been since the late 50′s. Don’t take my word for it, research it. The Bilderberg Group consists of Queens and Princes, Heads of State, college professors, big bank executives, big media execs., big oil and the extrodinarily wealthy.(most prominently David Rockefeller). They meet once a year every year since 1954 and not a single news reporting agency has reported on it. They shape policy, they elect Presidents, they control economies. And most if not all of them( the American participants) are in violation of the Logan Act ans some of conspiracy against the naitional security of this country(treason). Look it up. Be prepared to learn more than than you’ll want to. Read Daniel Estulin”s book on them, its been a best seller all over the world and everything in it is completely researchable.
People need to awaken to the fact that Obama does not have the best interests of this country and the American people at heart. I don’t understand how anyone who professes to be an American can do the things that Obama is doing. Our only hope is that we can elect a president in 2012 who wil safeguard the rights of the American people, the rights that have been paid for with the blood of our service men and women. Is there no way that Obama can be stopped? How in this country can one person destroy what we hold so dear?
Someone asked how this was Constitutional. Don’t look now, but it doesn’t NEED to be. We’ve been under a constant “State Of Emergency” since 1933! That condition makes the president’s word LAW, and the Congress a nullity.
Isn’t it cool that 160 years ago we were on the verge of a civil war to stop slavery and give the black non-citizens a better way of life. This historic event has been completed by electing one of the ancestors of the depressed race to lead the once most powerful country in the world. Taking this step has made many people feel very proud that maybe some of the wrongs that were created against the Black Man have been righted. Perhaps, despite the lack of experience that our president displays in his executive position, can be explained away due to his depressed ancestors past. However, the people who have put this man into this position (and I don’t mean the voting public) have an agenda that has nothing to do with our terrible racist past. Instead, these people have other views of what the future of America should be.
We are finding out which direction he is leading us in. We must decide if we want to continue in the direction of these unknown sponsers, or do we want our country to again be a powerful force that is once again one of the world leaders ruled by a rpresenitive of the majority of its citizens.
We must look beyond this man who is a vry good talker to the Controlers. Who are they and where are they having this Spokesman of thiers take our country to. ,
You cons are the most stupidiest people in the country. period. But why should i be surprised? you aren’t interested in facts or correct analysis.
FULL QUESTION
Did Obama sign a new bill where Interpol will now have the right of search and seizure on our shores without due process or any subpoena?? Could this be true???
FULL ANSWER
In a word, no.
President Obama’s Executive Order of Dec. 16 does nothing except grant to Interpol – the International Criminal Police Organization – certain privileges and immunities that the U.S. gives to dozens of other international groups under the International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945.
The order sparked much discussion in the conservative blogosphere and sent a great deal of e-mail our way. Despite what some have been saying, however, the order doesn’t mean that a global police force can now operate unfettered on U.S. soil.
Nor is it true that “Interpol will now have the right of search and seizure on our shores without due process or any subpoenas,” as the question above states. That’s a mangled interpretation of one of the impacts of the order, which is to make Interpol’s own property and records immune from search and seizure, just like those of many other international groups operating in the U.S.
Obama’s action also doesn’t “alter our legal protections,” as another message queried. And it doesn’t bring the U.S. any closer to “allow[ing] foreign countries to try Americans, at the Hague, for any ‘crimes’ not recognized as such by the U.S. that were ‘committed’ without the person having left the U.S.,” as another e-mail we received said.
Bringing Interpol fully under the International Organizations Immunities Act is a process that was started by President Reagan in 1983. With Executive Order 12425, Reagan declared that Interpol was covered by the act and all of its provisions except a few that had to do with exemptions from paying U.S. income, Social Security and property taxes, and several other issues.
President Clinton in 1995 took things a step further, ordering that Interpol be granted exemptions under the act for purposes of customs duties and importation restrictions. Now, with Obama’s order, the law enforcement group is fully normalized under the law, just like the International Committee of the Red Cross, the Inter-American Development Bank, the North Pacific Anadromous Fish Commission and nearly 100 other organizations. For a full list, see below:
Why did it take so long for Interpol to be fully covered? According to LaTonya Miller, a spokeswoman for the U.S. National Central Bureau of Interpol, which is located within the Department of Justice, Interpol didn’t have an office in the U.S. until 2004, when it opened one in New York. The privileges Interpol hadn’t been granted — exemption from taxes, etc. — weren’t needed. Its updated status under the law has been in the works since the New York office opened.
It’s likely that some of the hubbub springs from a fundamental misunderstanding about what Interpol does. Interpol is indeed a police organization, with 188 member countries. According to its Web site, it “aims to facilitate international police co-operation even where diplomatic relations do not exist between particular countries.” Its priority areas include the drug trade, global crime syndicates, fugitives, financial and high-tech crimes.
But – take note, aspiring James Bonds – it doesn’t send agents out to do their own investigations and make arrests; it’s more of a facilitator. And its site also maintains that “[a]ction is taken within the limits of existing laws in different countries.”
You conservatives are nothing but stupid @$$ scumbags with no
brain and only believe something because some idioit on the radio said so.
It sounds like you work for the the Government, the problem isn’t interpool, its our government officials, they all need to fired. Take back this country.Oh ya, Questionman, YOUR FIRED!
The facts are:
INTERPOL exists to facilitate the exchange of information between the world’s law enforcement agencies and to provide analysis of criminal data and other services. Contrary to its portrayal in some movies, Interpol has no police force that conducts investigations and makes arrests. Rather, it serves its 188 member countries by working as a clearinghouse for police departments in different nations to share law enforcement information — like files on wanted criminals and terrorists, stolen cars and passports, and notices that a law enforcement agency has issued an arrest warrant for a fugitive.
There are two entities of Interpol in the United States.
1. In 2004, Interpol opened a liaison office at the United Nations in New York City staffed by five members to assist UN peacekeeping personnel with information concerning terrorism, fugitives, kidnapped children, illegal drug trafficking, and other criminal activities. Interpol personnel do not have arrest authority in the U.S or any where else in the world.
2. The Interpol-U.S. National Central Bureau (USNCB), a component of the U.S. Department of Justice, serves as the United States’ representative to INTERPOL. The USNCB is the central point of contact for all INTERPOL matters in the United States, including secure communications with police authorities in INTERPOL’s 188 member countries and access to INTERPOL’s various databases containing information on wanted persons, terrorists, missing persons, stolen and lost passports and travel documents, stolen vehicles, and other law enforcement information. On a daily basis, the USNCB coordinates and transmits requests for criminal investigative and humanitarian assistance between American federal, state and local law enforcement authorities. All activities by Interpol concerning the United States are through USNCB.
little funny is it not when obama wont even show his birth certificate
I did not understand about the referral to Justice Anthony Kennedy.Will some one write here what they mean?
I did not under stand the statement about Supreme Court Anthony Kennedy. Will someone explain that to me please.
Obama is merely Bush 2.0 – two sides of the same coin folks. It is a ONE-PARTY, TWO-FACTION political system. Wake up and smell the cronyism, then get out and fight for LIBERTY… dammit.
This a sad day in this country, that one man can do what ever he bloody like’s to do to us, with out the vote of the those that he serves at the pleasure of. Need I say more. All those that do this mess to us need to be taken to the woodshed.
and while you dip-shits complain,does anyone want to buy a bridge?it’s in Brooklin
Wait until the riots start here, and states can’t get money bailouts from the government and things are rationed and there’s panic in the streets. Besides the police, Interpol will show up and shoot you and they can do anything they like totally disregarding our constitution. We will have no protections here. Bush did nothing in comparison to Obama who wants to take this whole country of colonizers down and teach us a lesson. Why do you think he has a shadow government waiting in the wings who can do what they want without congress. We have had communists in the White House and socialists all getting ready to take us over. They’re preparing for the future civil unrest and it is coming.