Obama Removes the Mask
President Obama’s speech Tuesday night should put to rest the argument as to who he really is. He revealed plans so sweeping and so expensive that, if they came to pass, we would permanently refashion the role of the federal government in the lives of every American.
During the campaign certain Republicans and libertarians tried to convince us Obama was a moderate, a sort of Bill Clinton “third way” reformer — and certainly no radical as conservatives claimed. Conservatives remained skeptical. Then during the transition, the debate as to Obama’s political philosophy continued. He sprinkled his cabinet with sober figures and experienced economic gurus. So perhaps he was moderate in outlook and restrained in ambition.
Next came the stimulus plan. Yes, he delegated the entire enterprise to Nancy Pelosi and the liberal draftsmen in Congress. But perhaps this was an error in judgment, a departure from what he “really” wanted in order to achieve a stimulus plan.
Well, the mystery has been solved. Obama is an unalloyed and extreme liberal. He does not intend merely to slay the recession. He intends to remake the country’s education, health care, and energy policies, with a hugely expanded and enormously powerful federal government directing vast swatches of American life and industry.
As Peter Baker of the New York Times put it:
His ideas for raising taxes on the wealthy, revamping the health care system, and reversing climate change represent a philosophical agenda that strikes at the heart of the other party’s core beliefs. While he said he did not believe in “bigger government,” he proposed a more activist government than any other since Lyndon B. Johnson.
This has relatively little, of course, to do with the recession. But Rahm Emanuel already told us that the administration regards the recession as an “opportunity” too good to waste.
The enormity of the president’s plans raise multiple questions: How will we pay for it? Is this what voters want? Is a government-directed health care system and a cap-and-trade carbon emissions regime compatible with a vibrant and innovative free market system?
But we did get some important answers last night, if not to those queries, then as to large political and philosophical ones. Just as the speech solved the mystery of who it was that we have elected as the 44th president, it also to a large degree defined the road Republicans must take in opposition and their path to recovery as a viable national political force.
It seems eons ago that in the aftermath of the election Republicans debated where they wanted to go as a political party and what they should do next. Throw out social conservatives, some suggested. Get rid of big-government moderates, others retorted. Pundits debated whether to advocate reform or return to the party’s roots, or whether the former could rely on the latter for inspiration. But now it is crystal clear what the party’s task must be: defend the free market and oppose the vast expansion of government which the president envisions. There is no getting around it. The opposition party must oppose.
In some sense Obama has made it easy. There is no point in the Republicans favoring half a loaf of nationalized health care or a moderate cap-and-trade rule. The extremism of the president’s agenda leaves the Republicans little choice — if they intend to remain an active party dedicated to personal liberty — but to oppose the president’s sweeping agenda.
The question remains how to do it and what tactics to employ in combating a charismatic and popular president who enjoys large majorities in the House and Senate. The Republicans would be wise to do three things.
First, they need to unmask the central fallacy at the core of the president’s scheme: that we can pay for all of this with minimal tax increases and no increase in public debt. This is the fuzziest math yet employed. It is simply dishonest. The president perceives the public’s wariness about living beyond our means when he declared:
There is, of course, another responsibility we have to our children. And that’s the responsibility to ensure that we do not pass on to them a debt they cannot pay. (Applause.) That is critical. I agree, absolutely. See, I know we can get some consensus in here. (Laughter.) With the deficit we inherited, the cost — (applause) — the cost of the crisis we face, and the long-term challenges we must meet, it has never been more important to ensure that as our economy recovers, we do what it takes to bring this deficit down. That is critical. (Applause.)
Republicans need to insist that the Democrats reveal their math: how much this will cost, how much revenue they intend to collect, and the long-term financial implications of this explosion of government activity. Just how much of the GDP do the Democrats intend to devote to government — 40%? 60%? More? It is tempting to nitpick small and easily understood spending items, but Republicans would do well to paint the bigger, and scarier, picture of what the Democrats have in mind.
Second, Republicans need to offer voters an alternative vision and alternative policies. The president believes government can do all these things. Republicans need to explain why states, private industry, and individuals can, for example, achieve expanded access to affordable coverage through expanded competition and private innovation far better than a one-size-fits-all federal plan can. The Democrats through budgeting stealth want to take away school choice. The Republicans want to expand it.
And finally, Republicans need to emphasize why it is that, aside from the cost, we don’t want government allocating carbon credits to business, determining the types of medical procedures we have access to, and generally directing large segments of the economy. As David Brooks explained:
The political history of the 20th century is the history of social-engineering projects executed by well-intentioned people that began well and ended badly. There were big errors like communism, but also lesser ones, like a Vietnam War designed by the best and the brightest, urban renewal efforts that decimated neighborhoods, welfare policies that had the unintended effect of weakening families, and development programs that left a string of white elephant projects across the world.
In short, Republicans need to explain why the heavy hand of government is not the vehicle for navigating complex and intricate problems that are best left in the hands of citizens and the free market. As Robert Higgs reminds us, even when it comes to more mundane tasks like jump-starting the economy, proposals to expand government action should be greeted with a heavy dose of skepticism:
Federal intervention rests on the presumption that officials know how to manage the economy and will use this knowledge effectively. This presumption always had a shaky foundation, and we have recently witnessed even more compelling evidence that the government simply does not know what it’s doing. The big bailout bill enacted last October; the Federal Reserve’s massive, frantic lending for many different purposes; and now the huge stimulus package all look like wild flailing — doing something mainly for the sake of being seen to be doing something — and, of course, enriching politically connected interests in the process.
So the battle is on. Are we to redefine the relationship between our citizens and government? Will we permanently alter our health care, education, and free market systems? The story has yet to be written, but now we know the plot and the characters in this very real drama. At last, we have uncovered who the president is and what he intends to do. Now we will find out if he will have his way.
Again, I say; The stock market is voting on Obama and his ideas this morning, and it’s “thumbs down”.
The next election may well be a Civil War. As people object to the concentration of power in the executive branch as dictatorial, they will be branded as racist despite reasonable Constitutional concerns. On one side will be the ready made armies of the black nationalist and jihadists versus the middle class. It will be ugly.
I never had an ounce of doubt about Obama’s true ideology. He is so far to the left that he has passed liberalism and is speeding toward totalitarianism. He tried posturing centrist during his campaign, but to me it never rang true.
And lo, how he proved it immediately upon taking office. Every word he utters is disengenous. He spouts double meaning and opposing statements that end up nullifying each other. In the end, everything he says is meaningless.
I can’t help shaking my head in puzzlement at the faithful followers who can’t or won’t hear this man’s true persona.
When Michelle Obama said that she was finally proud of her country (upon Obama’s nomination), I knew something wicked this way was coming.
Unlike the hapless residents of Hogwarts, I am more than happy to name the Evil One: Obama. I can only hope the opposing party snaps out of their shock in time to undo the mess he is making.
Yes, its called socialism.
I strongly suspect that Barack Obama will resign from the presidency by the end of the year. He will justify this unprecedented event by referring to his failing health. The job of the presidency is too much for him. Obama is out of his depth.
We need to express our anger at this administration’s plans. If you live in the Houston, Texas area there will be a Tea Party protest at Fondren Lawn in Discovery Green from 11am to 1pm this Friday. Here is the link to the facebook page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=68423955662.
If you live outside the Houston area, this protest will be in many other cities. Here is a link that lists all the cities. http://www.officialchicagoteaparty.com/
We have to stop this grab by the federal government of our individual and state’s rights. I moved to Texas from Florida in part because I could not afford a home in Florida. Now I have to pay for Floridians to keep the homes I could not afford to buy? Where is the fairness in that?
see #4.
If only that would come to pass, but Obama has far too much ego to give up. Why is it that so many of us could see through him from the start, but so many others voted for him, anyway?
In trying to do everything all at once he is guaranteeing his failure. Were ego and narcissism fuel for an economy Obama would guarantee the country would never run dry.
The only question is whether the real economy will be destroyed before he can be stopped.
Why could any thinking person be surprised by this? Then again it might be because so few people actually think
The Kool Aid drinking left – democrats – were always going to vote for Mr. Tambourine Man. Just as blacks always vote the same way and even more so because of race pride and envy in this election.
That left about 15-20% of the voters to decide the outcome. These were mislead by M$M into thinking Mr. Tambourine Man was something he was not. Having invested so much in him, they are more than willing to look the other way. The free ride continues.
So we are where we are.
As for the stock market, it probably will continue in a narrow trading band. If it cracks 7100 then the next stop could be 6000. 7100 was the level more than 11 years ago.
The grinding down and away of the middle class will continue.
“I can’t help shaking my head in puzzlement at the faithful followers who can’t or won’t hear this man’s true persona.”
Yeah, well, my mom is one of them, as are most other black Americans in this country (not sure why I haven’t fallen under his spell). But, I’ve stopped going to my parents’ house on Sunday mornings, because I just don’t want to be around during the talk shows, when she starts yelling at the TV if anyone says anything even slightly negative about Obama or, heaven forbid, Michelle. (Her comment about the stimulus was that it wasn’t Obama’s fault that the Democrats put “all that other stuff” in the bill.)
But, I was at the cafeteria this morning with some other black co-workers and they were absolutely giddy over Barack’s speech last night. I felt like I was in a Madea movie – “President Obama sure showed them white folks!” As for his liberal agenda and universal this, that, and the other thing…sadly, most blacks seem to have no problem with Uncle Sam (or now Uncle Barry) paying for everything.
Our schools teach subversive propaganda every day. The same do our universities.
And we didn’t put ourselves between the murderers and Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Just two examples, but of primary importance. Many other examples could be presented of the same phenomenon: i.e., practical and moral reasons for the present state of defeat. The subculture of subversion and death has invested our Country like a tsunami.
We should really think carefully and pray from the depth of our hearts.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
The amazing thing is that there ever was any doubt. I continue to be astonished at the ostensibly sane people who project their own hopes onto this blank canvas of a politician. I don’t understand this suspension of disbelief. But then again, I never got a tingle up my leg, either. I must be missing a sensory organ that’s supposed to connect me to the Borg.
Jennifer, it was always obvious, from the beginning, that he was a radical. Always.
Accurate analysis.
Maybe Republicans have to start thinking again about states’ rights versus federal rights. Even here in Canada, although nation-wide there is health care coverage, the provinces jealously guard their rights. Individual provinces handle health care. Each province decides which treatments will be covered and which will not. The role of the federal government is simply to ensure that some basic standards are met and to distribute the money among the provinces. Similarly, the provinces carefully guard their control over education, from elementary school to university. Each province has its own standards.
Obama’s administration seeks to obtain federal control over everything, including what used to be domains covered by the individual states.
Any minute now, they will post the viewership of his primetime speech on all three networks and a few cable channels.
NOT!
And I’ll tell you why. It will reveal the embarrashingly dismal number (2 millions? even less?) that show President Obama lost his drawing power, unlike Candidate Obama.
Candidate Obama lets people project their own hope onto a personna. President Obama sux, that’s why.
10. Carolb: It’s sad that his presidency, which so many said would end racism, has fueled it more.
I work with a woman who is die hard liberal (white) and she was discussing the speech this morning. When one of our co-workers pointed something negative out about the speech, she said it wasn’t said because she didn’t hear it. I kept my mouth shut! But I did bang my head on my desk.
Obama did make three amazing commitments; to cut the deficit in half in four years, to add 3.5 million jobs, and that there was no pork or earmarks in their budget. Who are you going to believe, him or your own eyes?
He did do a clever set up for the Potamac Two Step when he praised the military. Careful now, because defense budget cuts are in discussion. The hard line economic theory is that a dollar is only worth a dollar. It is worth a dollar because the secretary of the treasury says so, and he is backed by the president who says so, and he can say that a dollar is worth a dollar because the president is backed by the U.S. military. If the crisis gets beyond that then maybe Obama can sell more hope, blue sky, moral high ground, and American character.
Gloria #13
Absolutely right! Excellent point and possibly the starting point around which we can rally.
Thanks for your clear analysis!
Republicans and everyone else need to demand the man prove his eligibility to even be the president.
There are now 2 soldiers on active duty in Iraq who are questioning the narcissistic punk’s eligibility. Don’t you think this has our enemies dancing with glee?
The man is a usurper & a common criminal. He is nobody’s president.
God bless America!
My parents and brother all voted for Obama without ever looking into his past and/or policies. As I keep trying to tell them, “The fact that you didn’t like Bush doesn’t justify not holding Obama accountable for bad policies.” It’s a frustrating time to be a Republican/Libertarian. History, though, has a way of repeating itself. Clinton, like Obama, badly overreached when he started out, which helped the Republicans win back the House in 2010. Let’s hope for a repeat.
A couple of moths ago Jennifer Rubin was writing about her hopes Obama would govern from the center. Glad to see you wised up Jennifer. Now mmaybe you and pajamas media can start cocentrating on the Soros connection, Obama is too stupid to commcoct this on his own. Soros and his henchman like Tim Quitenerd and Lawrence of Arabia Summers wrotse this so-called “stimulus” bill long ago. Maybe you can investigate the so-called RAT committee, which is empowered by the “stimulus” bill to overrule even the Us Govts Inspector General. Jennifer, we removed Nixon from office in the 70s for abuses far less than this. These folks are going to spark a backlash. I hope dear, you and Mr Santelli have someonne to watch your backs. I wouldnt put ANYTHING beyond this crowd.
The spirit still lives. What politicians fail to accomplish, we will. I saw obama’s true face in the 2004 dnc. He has been obvious all along. He is awakening the sleeping giant, probably just what we need.
For an excellent, in-depth reading of the speech, go here: http://www.mister-integrity.blogspot.com/ He nails it.
The Bill of rights as per Obama:
Obama’s new and improved bill of rights
Amendment I As written
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment I Obama’s version
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion except for Islam; free exercise thereof is limited to Islam. Freedom of speech will be proscribed unless it follows the tenets of Saul Alinsky’s teachings. The right of the people to peaceably assemble is revoked, America now being perfect; there is nothing to complain about. Petitioning the government for redress of grievances is limited to those who are a member of a government recognized minority or Liberal organization.
Amendment II As written
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment II Obama’s Version
A federal controlled civilian police force being necessary to the security of the elites, our betters and the activist community at large, the right of the people to bear arms will be revoked to provide for greater harmony in the perfect America I have given you.
Amendment III As written
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment III Obama’s version
The national police force shall have access to and possession of any private home without the consent of the owner. Activists and community organizers shall have access to and possession of any home they deem to be theirs without title or cost.
Amendment IV As written
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment IV Obama’s version
The right of the people to secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures is hereby repealed. The exceptions to this are: Left wing organizations, La Raza, CAIR and other organizations deemed by the justice depart as no threat to the United States. Being a libertarian, Republican or worker in the private sector is all that is required for probable cause.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment V Obama’s version
Any person can be held to answer for capital, infamous or thought crimes based on the testimony of a single aggrieved person or organization. In time of war, all combat branches will extend to enemy combatants all constitutional rights and privileges. You can and will be charged for the same crime until the verdict as put forth by the aggrieved party is achieved. Due process is hereby restricted to the aggrieved and oppressed within the boundaries of the United States. Private property can be taken for any use as long as it promotes the equalization of society, assuages white guilt or redresses past injustices regardless of time elapsed.
Amendment VI As written
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VI Obama’s version
Only Minorities and enemy combatants will enjoy the right to a speedy and fair trial. Minorities and enemy combatants will be judged by a panel of peers drawn from their racial or religious groups. The exception to the above is those of the Christian faith. Crimes not covered by law shall be construed to mean all disparaging or hurtful remarks to a member or members of a liberal organization The nature and cause of the accusation will be suspended as just being aggrieved will be enough to prosecute. Witnesses and counsel will no longer be needed as the judges have impartiality in all matters legal and civil.
Amendment VII As written
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VII Obama’s version
Trial by jury for common law cases shall be suspended where the plaintiffs are known minorities or enemy combatants. In all other cases wherein the plaintiff is not a member of a minority or enemy combatant, the plaintiff shall be responsible for all court costs and fines thereof regardless of the verdict. In addition, Reexamination of facts shall be deemed necessary if the verdict is not in line with public opinion.
Amendment VIII As written
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment VIII Obama’s version
Bail is suspended for minorities, Activist groups and Community Service organizations.
Amendment IX As written
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment IX Obama’s version
Rights in the constitution will be dispensed at the discretion of the judiciary except in cases where the opinion rendered does not agree with tracking polls or activist groups.
Amendment X As written
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Amendment X Obama’s Version
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the Activist groups, Awareness groups or minorities as specified by the president.
American Genie-not only is the scum a narcassist- hes a mentally ill one. he suffers from the same narcassism of a Hitler and a Stalin. We dont eed to go into detail about what those 2 monsters were. Lets go to modern times. His pal, Ayers, is reputed to have told an Fbi informant that if communism ever took over America, they would “need to kill 25-30 million” who would fight them. Who does that sound like? Both of the above mentioned names for starters. We can add every tinhorn filthy dictator of the 19th and 20th centuries along with that. Not to mention Obamas sponsorship by the meglomaniac Soros. i forget the type of narcassism that the p-shrinks ascribe this to, but I know the biggest mass killers in history have been associated with this type of personality.
David Thomson:
The job is president not presidency. “Out of his depth” doesn’t even make sense. Obama is in fine health (you saw him at the beach) while you most likely are a fat Cheeto eating slob who patrols the right wing blogosphere and pedophile chat rooms all day. Good luck with that thought of him resigning hopefully Sarah Palin will take over with her family the Alaskan Hills Hillbillies.
You people are in such denial. Face it you are deep in the minority just read the poll numbers.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
The fact is most Americans don’t agree with your views. Your party is sunk deal with it.
I can’t imagine how anyone could have looked at Obama and seen anything other than a socialist (at best). He’s a Chicago Democrat. If that’s not enough, he surrounds himself with the most disgusting of matter spit up from the ’60′s. If that’s not enough, he surrounds himself with professional racists, including his wife.
I hope David Thomson is right. Unfortunately, we are dealing with an ego so monumental in scope and so unrestrained in its self-love that the chances of an “I quit” from Bambikins are nil to none. ‘Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished … [per Hamlet] but ’tis not about to happen. More’s the pity.
I sure don’t have a problem with this essay, except for one thing. Ms. Rubin describes Obama as an “unalloyed extreme liberal.” No, he is not that. He’s a national socialist, or nazi. A fascist. The commentators and leaders of the opposition need to start saying what the man is. It is part of objecting to the nazi authoritarianism he is proposing.
Obama knows how to do two things: speak with the help of a teleprompter and campaign. Campaigning involves speeches and convincing people to believe in him.
I can’t recall the last time a president was on prime time TV so many times or made so many road-trip speeches in one month, and it’s only purpose is to gain support…to campaign for his future. Obama has one more election to win, and he’s already started.
1. He continues to blame Bush. Whether it’s the defict we inherrited or continued failed policies, this is Bush’s mess and he’s going to try and clean it up. If he can’t, it was worse than he thought. If he does, it was worse than he thought but he’s brilliant.
2. He doesn’t say he’ll create jobs, but rather save OR create jobs. Anyone who still has a job in a year or two can thank him.
3. He may create some jobs with the massive spending, but he’s not creating any businesses or careers. Like the AIG or GM bailout, when the money’s gone, the jobs will be gone too. This is why he’s spreading out the spending…to minimize the job losses just before his next election.
Now everyone is thrilled that all of the troops are leaving Iraq…except for the 50,000 troops needed to stay and train Iraqi’s. Didn’t he say a full withdraw during his campaign? Didn’t he oppose keeping any troops in Iraq? He’s doing what McCain said he would do.
Don Rhudy is absolutely correct. A is A.
Don Rhudy: Hey smart guy, you are either a nazi or a socialist you can’t be both. Its not like ignorant and republican which go together like hotdogs and buns.
5. David Thomson:
I strongly suspect that Barack Obama will resign from the presidency by the end of the year. He will justify this unprecedented event by referring to his failing health. The job of the presidency is too much for him. Obama is out of his depth.
HE IS TOO MUCH OF A MEGLOMANIAC FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. HOWEVER, ONE CAN HOPE AND PRAY…..
He is Chinese Chairman Mao!!!
The sun raises, He give you food, He give you clothing. You sould not complain about him. SAD, SAD.
Although the American economic machine is such a behemoth that it may pull itself out of the recession despite the drag weight Obama & Co. are attaching to it, the one thing that WILL come with Obama’s massive pork laden increase in government spending is inflation, double digit inflation at the very least. That will impact the average non-political American. And that American’s misery index will be felt at the polls in 2010 and 2012.
Ms. Rubin:
“The question remains how to do it and what tactics to employ in combating a charismatic and popular president who enjoys large majorities in the House and Senate.”
How to do it?
Two years of unrestrained ObamAdministration will do it FAR better than the GOP could.
Obamamania is a fad, like Cabbage Patch Dolls and Pet Rocks, and like all fads, it will pass.
In two years the dipshit college students who thought that the fellow who claims to have been born in Hawaii was the “Dishwasher-safe Rubber Sex Toy” of Presidential politics will be trying to make their way in the job market with student loans to repay, or staring at their terrifying introduction to the real world heaving-to over the horizon.
Obama and the Democrats will be “yesterday’s darlings”, and then the Bush years of relative prosperity will begin to take on a nostalgic luster.
Nothing like some hardship to repair the damaged minds of the pampered.
This will be even MORE true in 2012…
The GOP can do themselves a great favor by lobbying to slash subsidies for post-graduate studies…and professors…and colleges.
I recently was on a ship, loaded with Texicans, and had an engineer aboard, freshly vomited forth from a New England maritime academy.
When this chap started holding forth about how he thought it was a good idea to raise taxes if everyone could get health insurance, i thought that this doofus was going to be literally beaten to death.
I had to explain to my Texican shipmates that the lad had just come from having four years of liberal BS pumped into his head, and it was still overflowing.
I also pulled “Newton” aside and told him in no uncertain terms that he was no longer safely ensconced in the groves of academe by grace of a subsidy levied on someone else’s “rice bowl”, but was on a rusty mudboat in the Gulf of Mexico with a bunch of guys for whom nobody had given anything, and that preaching New England Socialism 101 was very good way for him to suffer a hideous industrial accident.
“HE IS TOO MUCH OF A MEGLOMANIAC FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. HOWEVER, ONE CAN HOPE AND PRAY…..”
I am contending that Barack Obama may be too much of a megalomaniac not to resign! He will find some excuse not to humiliate himself any further.
#32, FYI, NAZI is National SOCIALIST German Workers Party. VERY left-wing. Look at their actual agenda, sans the hatred of Jews, and it looks an awful lot like today’s Democrats.
International Socialist, National Socialists, there is no damn difference, they are both Fascists. I am watching Tony Blair mark II getting stuck in and it is truly frightening, actually he is a lot worse than Blair in that he has the same insane social and economic policies, but has completely different views on the global stage, all our enemies seem to be his friends.
MANIPULATION: SPEECH OF TARGET ON PURPOSE
Economic solutions depend upon our bank based financial system, not stimulus or partisan spending.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/02/stimulus-cart-put-before-bank-horse.html
Hey whatnow?, if you get the idea that we’re ignoring your puerile remarks it is quite possibly because we are.
Now, run off and play with the other children and leave the serious conversation to the grownups.
Obama got elected for the “most” part on race. Numerous after poll interviews asked voters questions such as, “are you glad that Obama picked Sarah Palin as his running mate?” which recieved more “Yes” answers than “No”. Other questions like, “are you in support of his plans to raise taxes and cut funding to democtatic agenda items” also received more “Yes” answers than “No”. The polls showed that most people who voted and who where interviewed after voting for Obama in places such as New York City, Philadelphia, and other major cities didn’t know anything about his politics or his running mate. The demographics of most people polled where also of minority descent.
I am scared for this country when it is possible that the ignorant have made the majority vote bring into office, someone who really doesn’t have the experience in government to be President.
As for his Stimulus package, it is all about helping out the Democratic Agenda. His plan to help out those in the housing crisis, wont work either. If he truely wanted to help out everyone afford their homes, something needs to help everyone such as a rate cut on ‘ALL’ mortgages down to 4% fixed interest. The banks will still be receiving interest (making money), the payments will be significantly lower per month (people saving or spending the money else where), not so many homes will have to be foreclosed on, and the government doesn’t have to foot the bill! Granted more does have to happen, but not the way the Obama administration is going about it.
I dont think Barack will resign, instead he will simply be the front man (if he hasnt been all along), basically doing what he has been doing since he started his campaign. He is a Chicago crony with no experience and little in the way of his own thoughts. Bush was accused of the same thing, just being the mouthpiece. This bunch was smart in that they picked a mouthpiece with some charisma.
The real decisions are being made by people other than Obambi.
The one positive truth of this election is this though:
The United States of America has elected it’s first African American President. While racism is not dead in this country, from any one race to another unfortunately, strives have been made to show that we are moving along as a country.
It is now up to Obama to prove himself to the country, the presidency, and the people whether or not they voted for him. If he fails, it isn’t because of the mess that may have been left for him before, it was because “HE” failed, no one else. With Authority and Leadership, comes ultimate responsibility. He can not justly blame anyone but himself if he fails. If he does change everything for the better, then he will be rewarded with a second term.
People should never be scared of their Government, Government should be scared of the People. The people are what make this country great, minus a few, we are the power, ingienuity, and heart of this great land!
“Dertain conservatives and libertarians tried to convince us that he was a moderate”. The truth is that almost all the conservative “analysts” and pundits were treating him as slightly left-of-center, a Harvard Honors graduate, of outstanding intellect. Only Hannity and Limbaugh and the other right-wing nuts had it right. HE HAS BEEN STEEPED IN RADICAL SOCIALISM FROM THE DAY OF HIS BIRTH, it was the dream of his communist father, it was the center of his college studies and off-campus interests and the focus of his Alinsky-inspired Communiity Organizer work in Chicago and his close ties to Ayers.
Of course, the newspapers and networks never spoke of it. But why the conservative commentariat refused to use the word “socialist” defies all common sense. So he doesn’t advocate taking over industry, so he’s not technically a socialist. WE HAVE ELECTED A LIFETIME, DOCTRINAIRE SOCIALIST, and all you commentators STILL won’t come right out and say so!!!
And he is just the frontman, the huckster, for the Chicago Alinsky cabal that promoted his progress through the Chicago machine, launched his campaign, and bought his victory. THEY set the agenda, make the choices, draft the bills – he sells the snake oil.
You are right. The wolverine is out of the bag. They are drunk with success. They are going to go full press to make it difficult to reverse.
And we’re supposed to hope he succeeds? It is going to be a rough couple of years.
Whatnow? There was only one time in my life when someone held a gun to my face…what did he say? WHATNOW….your name is appropriate for the times we are in, Obama is holding a gun to our country’s face and saying, “What now?”
whatnow: You haven’t made an intelligent comment yet.
It will be interesting to see how much longer Americans will continue to divorce Obama from his policies. His personal popularity is still high, but Americans are wisely beginning to oppose his policies by large margins.
Obama seems to have no clue that economic considerations drive human behavior, and that economic choices need to have consequences. By insisting on socializing risk, Obama is actually promoting riskier behavior by eliminating consequences. We need to shelter the homeless and feed the hungry and ensure the subsistence of the unemployed. But, that doesn’t mean people who can’t afford their homes should be subsidized–they need to become renters.
To reward the buyer who put no money down and took too much risk by writing down his mortgage, lowering his interest rate, and paying him 1k a year to make his payments on time is nauseating. How do you explain that to the homeowner who did everything right and suddenly has a bigger mortgage, higher interest rate, and no equity? People are boiling with rage at this nonsense.
There’s an almost uniform belief in “tough love” and the belief children need to experience the consequences of their actions. This country needs some “economic tough love.”
I put down 40% on my home and obtained a loan I could afford. My equity is nearly wiped out. Under Obama’s plan, I’m going to have the same home value as my no-down-payment, interest-only, ritzy vacation loving, Cozumel snorkeling, no care for the future neighbor. And my interest rate will be higher and I don’t get 1K a year incentives for good behavior. How is that fair?????
whatnow,
Stymie McDoom’s approval rating is now 59%, below Jimmy Carter’s at the same interval in his presidency, and below your favorite pres, W. The shine has worn off the Intern-in-Chief and its plain to see he is out of his league in an executive position. Now, run along, comrade, and keep sipping the Bolshevik koolaid, that way you’ll continue to delude yourself that:
1.Obama will enforce fiscal discipline while increasing the deficit four-fold.
2.He will face our foreign threats effectively, while cutting defense spending and demoralizing our military.
3. That Cuba is a state of the art government with the most comprehensive affordable healthcare system in the world.
3. That your life will be better now that you have socialism.
Unfortunately, you will still be bitter; still be envious of achievement; still be rudderless in your moral clarity; still have horrible relationships; still bounce from job-to-job as you look to “find yourself”; still be a sucker for any slick-talking leftist that comes your way.
Jim C. That’s snake oil sales 101. most people are easily sold. His reaction to objections tells you he hasn’t mastered the art of deflection yet.
The one thing that does really bother me at this point in time though is the way the media allows him to be portrayed, and the way certain parties speak of him. He has been compared with Abraham Lincoln and now Ronald Reagan.
First off, he shouldn’t be compared with any President yet! HE HASN’T DONE ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT YET!!! Sure he is a good speaker, sure he spent $1 Trillion Dollars of tax payers money in his first month in office, sure he went all extravegant at his Inaguration, sure he blames the former President, sure he has all the grandiose plans for his Presidency, sure he tries to immitate Lincoln and speak convincingly to the public as Reagan would, but what does this say about him? NOTHING! Don’t compare him to anyone until he has a track record for his first term, if he makes it through his first term without being impeached for trying to become a dictator or something else disgusting.
By the way, Former President Bush doubled the national debt: 4 Trillion Dollars in 8 years. President Obama is already off to a much worse start with 1 Trillion Dollars in 1 month!
This is only the beginning and it will get worse. This administration will lie and not think anything of it. Congress leadership has behaved like drunken pirates robbing a captured ship filled with treasure. Unfortunately, this is America, a nation in trouble, and it will get much worse with this reckless spending of public tax dollars.
My worry is this though, history repeats itself, and great nations fall. The Roman Empire became financially corrupted and it finally failed, and it is happening here in our very own midst. I don’t think that there is a single honest, non-corrupt polotician left in any state.
Obama’s Byrd
Well, the reviews of the president’s speech last night are still coming in, with few reflecting the expected adulation of the Obamassiah.
It seems the consequences of the ideas of this exceedingly ambitious and vainglorious president are finally sinking in. Some reviews are relatively objective and some downright critical in the extreme. Perhaps the muted response is due to what Politico.com refers to as too many conservative words to cloak a very liberal agenda?
One particular negative response addresses the White House plan to implement many of Obama’s grandiose schemes and, considering its source, is a shocker. Senator Robert Byrd (D. WV), the senate’s eldest, most curmudgeonly, most adept at bringing home the bacon, and most constitutionally-conscious member voiced a warning at his own party’s president’s czarist “power grab.”
Byrd, a Washington institution and legend in his own mind, roused himself sufficiently to lambaste Obama for his decision to take unto the White House various new policy offices which “can threaten the Constitutional system of checks and balances. At the worst,…
(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)
The President is a Marxist in every way. The state is be all and end all. It is the “protector and benefactor” of the majority Individual liberties mean nothing. The right of free speech; freedom of religion; trial by a jury of peers; the right to remain silent in the face of criminal charges; all become obsolete because the individual has no personal rights as against “the will of he majority.” Who determines “the will of the majority?” The chief of state determines “the will of the majority.” Beware if you disagree!
Grapes so sour, they’d be unfit for vinegar.
That’s what I get from the sore Republican losers.
Besides, we must stand behind our President in times of war, you traitors!
Using the race card has become a habit, so much that people are afraid of saying anything.
Most people aren’t racist. What people oppose are the entitlements and affirmative action policies that are given out. The tax cuts (to people who don’t pay taxes) and mortgage bailouts are just two of the many examples.
Saying why the ideas are bad is probably not a great strategy. It’s too theoretical and gets everyone into intellectual arguments based on goofy propositions. Keeps editorial writers busy, but it offers people nothing tangible.
I think it’s becoming quite obvious what people want. Offering alternatives is the solution that meet actual needs is the solution.
54. I hope that Obama doesn’t let down the country, or the people. As for supporting him during a time of war, what about all the people who bashed Bush? Don’t pull the war card and use it against Republicans, Republicans don’t like the fact that Obama is doing the same thing, and using the same style of the Bush Administration only with a sheep skin on the wolf!
55. That is very true! If you don’t deserve it, you shouldn’t be allowed to have it! Unfortunately though, the housing market does need to be fixed, but not the way Obama wants to fix it. If he wants to help out, he needs to make it an across the board change, namely a fixed interest rate to all mortgages that is low, whether or not you are in trouble of foreclosure. It is the only fare and just way to help out the housing issue.
Sorry, my previous comments on 58 should have been issued for 56 and 57 respectively.
Mask? What mask? I never saw a mask. A man who knows that evil exists never sees the mask, because he’s not willing to participate in the lie and delude himself.
carolB: Could you please elaborate on your own political journey—how you have come to hold the view that you have. I find this deeply interesting, your rejection of Obama. You obviously have depth as a person.
No need to say anything that might cause you to lose anonymity, just you experience and thinking. I think it would be very helpful.
13. Gloria:
Maybe Republicans have to start thinking again about states’ rights versus federal rights. Obama’s administration seeks to obtain federal control over everything, including what used to be domains covered by the individual states.
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Interesting you should say that. I live in WA, out in the “provincial” northwest. My friends son has commented on the increasing number of CONFEDERATE bumper stickers appearing in the local area where he lives. The Confederacy was about “States Rights” vs. the Federal Government. It was only later Lincoln made the Civil War about slavery.
There’s more to come after these drunken legislators and the juvenile Obama are out of office; The backlash against correcting this irresponsible and incompetent legislation. The next president is going to inherit this crap. This idiot is treating the Treasury as if it was his candy store. Congress and Obama are spending all the cash they find and maxing out the credit cards. This country is getting raped by these thieves.
Obama gave one electifying speech. I think its safe to say some really exciting times are ahead for all Americans.
#36
I enjoyed your story about newton. Pity there are so many “newton’s” today.
At least pet rocks had some redeeming whimsical charm in their ridiculousness.
Don’t be too hard on the child brain WHAT NOW?
IT MUST BE SNOWING HARD WHERE HE LIVES AND THEY HAVE A DAY HOME FROM PUBLIC NEA CONTROLLED SCHOOL.
LOL, HE STILL BELIVES IN OBAMA BECAUSE HIS TEACHER TOLD HIM SO. HE WOULD BE MUICH BETTER OFF WITH SANTA CLAUS. OBAMA WILL BE TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE.
Apparently France enjoyed Obama’s speech…
http://www.newsy.com/videos/obama_s_state_of_the_nation_reaction/
I’m positive now that Obama is a dunce when it comes to history. He obviously doesn’t know that International Socialism was born 120 years ago this year and it has never been successful.
Besides destroying capitalism, their original (and present) goal is to eliminate private property and redistribute the world’s goods so that everyone has enough. However, they never define “enough”. Obama seems to follow this pattern, never mind the details, it is the vision that counts.
ked5. Actually it was during Andrew Jackson’s Presidency that States Rights was used as a lever to promote slavery. One of Jackson’s greatest victories was to prevent South Carolina from seceding from the Union over States Rights, a.k.a. Slavery.
I agree with these people when they say . . .
#3 Moogle . . . I am more than happy to name the Evil One: Obama
#5 David Thomsan . . . I strongly suspect that Barack Obama will resign from the presidency by the end of the year.
#9 Joe . . . . The Kool Aid drinking left – democrats – were always going to vote for Mr. Tambourine Man. Just as blacks always vote the same way and even more so because of race pride and envy in this election.
#10 Carolb . . . most blacks seem to have no problem with Uncle Sam (or now Uncle Barry) paying for everything.
#11 Sherab Zangpo . . . The subculture of subversion and death has invested our Country like a tsunami.
#18 American Genie. . . There are now 2 soldiers on active duty in Iraq who are questioning the narcissistic punk’s eligibility. Don’t you think this has our enemies dancing with glee?
#24 johngaltlives . . . not only is the scum a narcassist- hes a mentally ill one. he suffers from the same narcassism of a Hitler and a Stalin
#27 oh, brother . . . he surrounds himself with the most disgusting of matter spit up from the ’60’s
#36 Bilgeman . . . the fellow who claims to have been born in Hawaii was the “Dishwasher-safe Rubber Sex Toy” of Presidential politics
#42 Raszaron . . . I am scared for this country when it is possible that the ignorant have made the majority vote bring into office, someone who really doesn’t have the experience in government to be President.
#46 Ms Attitude . . . Obama is holding a gun to our country’s face
#64 Cybergeezer . . . The next president is going to inherit this crap.
#41 . . . Now, run off (whatnow) and play with the other children and leave the serious conversation to the grownups.
His good Buddie Bill Ayers has already played these notes on Bambi’s heart strings.
Enjoy the music.
Only 201 more weeks to go.
Is dissent still the highest form of patriotism?
The sad fact is that as the years go forward our fellow citizens will be even more compliant to socialist propaganda. They are either poorly educated or severely indoctrinated in our universities. Most people under 35 have no clue about basic conservative principles that were once the foundation of our national character. They all deserve free everything.
http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/illuminatiagendabestoverviewyet8jun02.shtml
Read all three parts.
71. foRRever:
WOW! Your computer skills are outstanding; you should be on Obama’s cabinet! Like a bookend.
The far left economic policies are bad enough, but what should really worry everyone is the growing list of anti-democratic schemes coming out of this White House and Congress – control what is said in the media with a “Fairness Doctrine”, eliminate the secret ballot in unionization elections, fix the numbers in the next census to enable nationwide gerrymandering. And let’s not forget the threats The One made in the election against broadcasters to prevent the airing of ads criticizing him.
For the first time in my life I’m not optimistic about the future of our country.
The half-black Alfred E. Newman always showed his hand and people who didn’t care about how evil that hand was turned a blind eye.
His Muslim religion *oops* “CHRISTIAN” religion was somehow missing as the only senator to vote against giving medical care to a baby that survives a late term/partial-birth abortion. THE ONLY ONE to vote against from a tard who usually voted ‘present’. Yeah. We have a real ‘nice’ fella as CP.
Sometimes when I get so disgusted and fed up I watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6UU6m3cqk
-And, after I giggle I’m reminded why we can’t let our children and grandchildren down and refuse to let some poser cretin turn our country into something that won’t even resemble the great USA once he’s spent his load.
We hate to say we told you so, but it’s true we figured out his plans some time ago. I don’t know if the most dire predictions will bear out, one hopes not, but there is very little to stop him.
Back in 1993, the GOP was able to stall the much
smaller stimulus, and Hillary Care, now we have virtually no way of slowing it down. And he has the potential tools to suppress most opposition,
add to that gun control, the census rigamarole and other disquieting aspects, and I’m genuinely concerned about the fate of the country, domestically, foreign policy is a whole other grab bag of other possible disasters. some with significant domestic consequences
That speech was simply a continuation of his campaign, like every other time he speaks! Handing over the reigns, first to Pelosi and now to Biden, he has never actually begun his administration. If you take each and every speech he has made and take out references to time, connect them chronologically and then play them in one continuous stream, I doubt very seriously you’d be able to tell when his campaign ended and his administration began. Hint: the administration began when everything went to hell.
76 Cybergeezer . . .I don’t git it. What’s that mean?
#72 fear Obama,
After a decade of being an intellectual, academic Marxist aspirant, I figured out that the Achilles Heel of Marxist theory is its inherent utopianism. Utopianism does not understand the nature of Evil and its intractability in this dimension of existence. Said Evil is firmly planted at the level of history, biology, psychology. It has an organic basis. It is powerful, but does not have the power to create life. Only God can create life – and even bring life to where there is death. Evil has cosmic dimensions and implications. I have met Evil right smack dab in the middle of individual socialists and in socialist ideology. It’s sitting in their laps and they don’t even know it’s there! These people are able to rationalize and justify all manner of sin, for personal gain and for advancing the revolution that Ayers waxes eloquent about.
Billy Ayers and his fellow socialists are morons. Not just moral reprobates (and Billy surely was – ask the young women he would date rape or use for his voyeuristic instincts while his roommates would bang poor young coeds).
To the young Obama supporters who wander on to this thread: Do you KNOW the history of failed socialist experiments and states? Do you even wonder why they failed? You know, history does not start when the revolution gets electoral success. You were not well served by the pot pourri of victimology in high school you were exposed to. Or the further indoctrination you got at the university level.
Yes, Obama is far to the left. Now, what we need is to start make the case for the other side, not calling him a socialist or whatnot. In the next election, voters will need to see clearly the connection between Obama’s policies and decreased performance. Everyone start prepping!
@William
You got it. If you read the academic literature on “social injustice,” it basically just defined as a gap between top and bottom. The bottom could be living like kings and it wouldn’t matter.
It scares me whenever I get a glimpse into the Republican mind-set. Bizzare and nuts to boot.
73. Is dissent still the highest form of patriotism???
Goodness, no. Didn’t you get the memo?
That was only the chosen perspective when the libs needed a verbal frame from which to yell about Bush (literally, as I recall).
This role-playing, wannabe “president” is truly a nightmare for America.
His cluelessness and (apparently deliberate) refusal to engage in anything international is weird to the point of embarrassing. I can’t even begin to speculate about what the leaders around the world are thinking. Putin has to be choking in laughter every time he thinks about what he’s going to do to Bambi.
But Bambi said that his election would restore our standing in the world, didn’t he?? I haven’t noticed anything there.
He’s an utter joke. I can’t believe he even takes this seriously. Can he really be so stupid that he doesn’t know how badly he is screwing up?
“Whatnow”. Product of the American Education system I’ll bet — probably a member of the Teachers union. FYI- The NAZI parties formal name is or was “The National Socialist Workers Party” the party was atheist and socialist and their antagonism with the communist party was due more to disagreement over tactics then the final result of their activities and policies.God Bless you and here is hoping you and others like you wake up before the Obamanista’s line you up against a wall. Bang!!
Griff
“32. Whatnow?:
Don Rhudy: Hey smart guy, you are either a nazi or a socialist you can’t be both. Its not like ignorant and republican which go together like hotdogs and buns.”
“Nazi” is a shortened form of “National Socialismus.” It differed from Communism because the Bolsheviks claimed to be for International Socialism, while the National Socialists were nationalist. The Fascist party in Italy was founded by Mussolini as the nationalist party, after Mussolini ceased to support International Socialism in World War I. Mussolini was a leader of the Italian Socialist Party and the editor of its newspaper, Avanti. Communism, National Socialism, and Fascism are all versions of antidemocratic, tyrannical socialism (they always opposed the democratic socialists).
I suspect that President Obama is a communist, since his close associates, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, and Bill Ayers, are communists, and he follows Saul Alinsky (another communist, so far as I know). He is also a corrupt Chicago politician, as shown by his friendship with Tony Rezko.
#73 pee wee herman, community organizer
is dissent still the highest form of patriotism?
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I thought it was paying taxes. (re: Biden last fall)
No surprise at all.
The only ones who could possibly be surprised are independent voters who bought the “I am a centrist” shtick and voted for him.
the majority of Americans are unsurprised.
Obama talks… Investment capital balks… Wall St. walks!
“I think its safe to say some really exciting times are ahead for all Americans.” Pat J
Yeah, like 1935 in Germany foretold some really exciting times.
But, I’m more hopeful than I was a half hour ago, since it’s apparent that Ms. Rubin is now reading my blog and has come around. That’s good. Now if PJM would offer me a contract we could really get this revolution going.
It’s a little hard to believe just how much you right-wingers have your heads stuck in the sand. You’ve decided long ago that Obama is the devil, and you view everything through that preconception. But look around. Is this country really doing well? Where have the fruits of Reagan and Bush gotten us? We live in the greatest, richest country on earth, yet people who have lost their jobs, and therefore their health insurance and income, are left to die from diseases and conditions that could be treated. Do you really believe in an America where we leave our neighbors to die if they can’t keep up with the rat race?
Because that’s the America that conservatism has wrought. You can argue all day about free markets, and what competition can do, but the evidence is staring you in the face. Think for a minute about it. You know someone who’s had trouble paying their medical bills, maybe they were even driven into bankruptcy. Maybe they simply didn’t get treatment. Maybe it was you, maybe it was a friend, or a friend of a friend.
Maybe you should step back and think about what you actually believe in. Because from where I stand it seems clear that you stand for a country without compassion, where citizens love their flag but turn their backs on their neighbors. You stand for a stubborn ideology without ideas, one that has only one solution, that of lower taxes, for every problem big and small.
The left doesn’t only want bigger government. We do believe in the free market. The system creates profits brilliantly. We get that. But a rising GDP says nothing about fairness, about health, about living conditions, about basic morality. The job of government is not to get bigger, it’s to recognize those things that the market will not accomplish on it’s own, like disaster relief or ensuring that every child in America can see a doctor when they’re sick. The unfettered capitalism that led to this country’s economic rise also gave us slavery, and child labor, and brutal working conditions in factories and slaughterhouses and in the mines. Captialism in its native form does not care about people, or about morality or ethics. That’s the job of government.
Have you all forgotten American history?
Ms. Rubin names some good practical suggestions. But there is an important element missing.
What Republicans need to do – and pressure their representatives to do – is to declare and show not only that they have a more practical plan for dealing with the economy but more importantly to declare loud and clear that freedom is good, freedom is moral, restricting liberty for the purpose of social engineering is inherently evil, no matter what the short-term economic data show. Arguing over whether the Feds should steal 35% of income or 39%, spend $780 billion or $820 billion is a recipe for failure.
They should declare that the Federal Government has no Constitutional or moral authority to ‘fix’ the economy. Freedom and voluntary trade are an inalienable rights, period.
When the GOP once again can plausibly reclaim the moral high ground, then winning elections will become a piece of cake.
Socializm, Nazism et. is not the issue. Every one needs to keep in mind that every time Obama or his associates speak the stock market drops a hundred points or more. When the Dow hits 1000 all your IRA’s and retirement accounts are worthless!!! We already know Social Security is insolvent. The finacial system in this country is voting with its money, by moving its wealth elsewhere, if we do not reverse course soon the future is very bleak for all who someday hope to retire. Face it, your probably going to have to work until you die to pay off the Trillion’s of dollars of debt being committed to by the States and Federal government. Hope you like your job!!
The problem as I see it is that any politician at the national level gets too many perks, so they forget what real Americans go through on a daily basis just to get by.
Part of the solution would be for elected officials to remember (and the Republicans can start the ball rolling on this) – “public service” means that you serve the public, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. It seems that there are those who see “public service” as the public serving them, at their pleasure. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. They are in office at the pleasure of the public – the American taxpayer.
Maybe it’s time the American taxpayers starts reminding them that there is a process for removal of any “elected” official. Then they would understand that the ultimate boss is the public that they are supposed to serve.
Jennifer:
“But now it is crystal clear what the party’s task must be: defend the free market and oppose the vast expansion of government which the president envisions. There is no getting around it.”
Rachel:
I agree with Jennifer that those are basic points of departure between Republicans and Democrats. I might call it capitalism versus socialism.
But how each party plans to win the tug of war between free market capitalism and revisionist socialism, for the heart and soul of America is where a vast difference arises.
To achieve their ends, Republicans plan to play by the rules. Fair debate. Honestly aired disagreements. Pointed commentary. Published and paid for media information dissemination. Assorted books. Writings. Oped pieces. And so on and so forth.
In a shooting war it would be require that both parties adhere to the 1864 and appended Geneva convention; rules the axis powers (germany, japan and italy) largely ignored.
Rules terrorists in Iraq ignore to the point of mockery. Unless you think cutting off people’s heads (Japan, WWII and terrorists (Iraq) is tantamount to playing by the rules.
The fly in today’s fair rules ointment is a simple fact:
Today’s Democratic Party has no intention of playing by any rules. They are the rules terrorists.
For instance, they’ve usurped the mainstream media, which was given constitutional protections because it was assumed that they’d proceed from a fairness, unbiased perspective in disseminating the news.
Moreover, today’s Democratic Party revels in the fact that NBC, CBS, ABC (highlighted by Sunday morning news talk TV) and virtually every major metropolitan newspaper carry their water.
Which is patently unfair to the point the media’s constitutional protections should be stripped from them like war medals from a war time traitor.
The Democratic Party is now trying to bias up radio by reestablishing a law that would lynch free speech by conservative talk radio, which survives now in a free market place; a touchstone of this country from its inception in 1776. (David,PajamasMedia,2/28/09)
Actually, the deceit and dishonesty; the cheating to get their way on the part of the Democratic Party can be clearly seen and documented all over the political road map.
From the way they’re now attempting to eliminate the secret ballot in unionization elections.(Ibid,David, 2/28/09)
To the way they’re out to fix the numbers in the next census to enable nationwide gerrymandering. Which goes against the letter and verse of the U.S. constitution.(Ibid,David 2/28/09)
To the admitted redistribution of wealth socialist platform that Obama freely admits to.
You can see the sleeze and corruption that’s infected every molecule of the Democratic Party in the threats The One made in the election against broadcasters that refused to march in lockstep with him, and that even now have the audacity to air ads criticizing him. (OpCit,David, 2/28/09)
You’d expect this to have been business as usual with, say, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party cerca 1938 in Nazi Germany. Not in the Democratic Party cerca 2009.
But, like a cancer under a doctor’s microscope, you can see the sleaziness and criminal corruption of the Democratic Party the way they use ACORN to steal votes and elections (Minnesota).
Going against the Democratic Party of Barack, Nancy and Harry is like having a fist fight when one of the opponents brings a knife.
The only they can be trusted is that they’ll do America dirt.
The once proud Democratic Party of FDR has been handed down to leftist thugs, scoundrels, liars, cheats, tax cheats, quasi traitors, money grabbers, journalistic frauds, social engineers, capitalist haters, American flag stompers, domestic terrorists, would be supreme court packers and pukes practicing the politics of personal destruction. Just ask Sarah Palin.
Consequently, no member of the Republican Party can expect a fair fight. You’re in a death struggle with the darkest, dirtiest side of moral ethical depravity and it stretches from sea to shining sea.
Barack Obama’s Democratic Party with its false Ayers, wrongheaded Wrights, hapless, the war’s lost Harrys, niggardly, greedy, socialist stained Nancys along with assorted frauds and mindless foul mouthed followers; pitiful excuses for freedom loving Americans who are sycophant idiot enablers of a sorry sordid process that fully intends to bankrupt our children’s future and destroy our way of life.
What do we do? That’s what your lil’ ole’ blue eyed Rachel is framing in her mind. It won’t be everybody’s answer to the biggest threat to our way of life since I first had a thinking and a metabolizing. But it will be the one I believe in. And I’ll be delighted to share it with you.
To the last man,
Rachel
pst. 22 might i have your permission to reproduce your extensive analysis, commentary of rights under U.S. constitution vs. “o”‘s?, dist. to friends, credit given to “wildman”?
I’m not a shill for this guy, I swear, but this is good stuff to read. Key takeaways are: Strangulation of the former financial powerhouse of the world (i.e. us), government fiscal irresponsibility and regulation driving away the US’s entrepreneurial bedrock, and a bit more on taxes.
http://www.johntreed.com/Obamaeconomy.html
Airborne!
Carolb,
Thank you for keeping an open mind and not falling for the devious, communist dogma. These are extremely potent forces that have been aligned against the American people for almost a century.
The socialist message has been expressly designed to divide the nation.
Yours will be an important voice in your community in time. It maybe frustrating now to effectively communicate with those around you, but keep your patience and try to share small, seemingly innocuous points and allow them to discover the truth for themselves.
A person must figure it out for themselves for your arguments to be accepted by them.
God Bless. . .
Whatnow?:
“Don Rhudy: Hey smart guy, you are either a nazi or a socialist you can’t be both.”
6 & 1/2 Dozen or the other. . .
Nazism, officially National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), refers to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler
from. . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
It’s google moron.
Nevertheless, nazis, socialists, moaists and communists are all part of the same, marxist genetic cess-pool of murderous, totalitarian ideologies.
So many mouth-breathers, so little factual history.
Don’t feel bad though, you’ve been thoroughly indoctrinated and can not resist the insipid, Pavlovian response to certain keywords or phraseology.
Must suck to be your parents.
Did anyone really doubt that Obama was not a liberal of liberals?
There was an election last November. We won, you lost, and you will never get another chance.
As our new Leader, who is loved and supported by the vast majority of Americans, said last night, “the time of reckoning is here.”
It’s time for you racist hatemongers to pay the bill.
Obama really has a lot of work ahead of him. At this point in our country, it doesn’t really matter how he gets us out of our problems. His ideas of reform may seem like a socialistic government from the past, but would that really be so bad? It seems like Obama’s goal is to have the government play a bigger role in our lives. This is what we need now. We need someone to show us where to go to get out of this slump. Obama showed his true ideas and we must follow him.
You are right (#101 yes we did), a majority of Americans do love “The Chosen One”. The issue is that few of them can say why. He is a figurehead, an empty suit. For most of his followers, Obama the candidate (and now the President) is a symbol of something that has little to do with Obama the man. The American Idol generation loves Obama the symbol without a glance toward what the real live person in the oval office is actually doing. They don’t know. They don’t care.
You are also right that we may never get a chance. Obama the actual person is seeking to consolidate power so that the will of the People will have less and less effect on government. We as a country may choose to move down a different path (I believe soon). If Obama gets his way – it won’t matter.
Have you noticed?
The MSM is just bursting at the seams wanting to jump their little brown boy wonder.
From their little ed-op chimp story to the 2000 point market loss since Nov. 4. (Bushes fault?)
Eventually he will not be able to stare down the deluge of reporters wanting to know what has gone wrong.
201 more weeks of breaking Zionists control and hippies loving the world.
** searching for my beads and peace symbols **
“His ideas of reform may seem like a socialistic government from the past, but would that really be so bad?”
Yes.
“This is what we need now.”
No.
“Obama showed his true ideas and we must follow him.”
Off the cliff. Stop embarassing yourself and scurry away.
First, aren’t Republicans and Libertarians “conservative” by their nature? Why, in the second paragraph, place Republicans and conservatives in separate thought/voter categories? I’m a Republican because I’m conservative. Moderate Republicans are RINOs and this puts them in the liberal column (witness Colin Powell, Specter, Snowe, Collins).
Second, this writer must have had their head buried in the sand during the election cycle, because there was never any pretense and as to who this B. Hussein Obama guy really is… it’s just the news was hard to come by. If you read some history beyond listening to CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, et al, you’d know Obama is a hyper-uber-liberal. (You’d also know he’s an anti-American, black nationalist, Marxist-type, anti-war flower child.) And his cabinet and czar appointments reflect that! There’s nothing remotely moderate or mainstream about Obama. This will be another Clinton-era above-the-law and in-your-face administration, hungry for power and limelight at (literally) all costs.
And when President Obama comes to realize that a ‘surge’ requires far more than just troops, I will support him. More troops on their own is the Lyndon Johnson answer, and not a good one for the mountain warfare in Afghanistan. Yes, I would support him if he had a decent plan for this, and I do point out the necessity of the fight there and what a good way forward would be to start confronting the regional issues. He has neither the regional knowledge, military knowledge or background to do these things and his ever-conflicted foreign policy agenda will not help him one bit.
He is not even trying, and yet I do support him if he does try and do his job in that venue. He is not, however, looking to be the first President to cut military spending during a war when it is one of the cheapest endeavors in warfare that we have ever witnessed, far outshadowed by his signed spending package that is larger than all of Iraq, Afghanistan and Katrina aid for the last 7 years. That is horrific.
Where is his unity with us? Where is his unity with the Nation? Where is his understanding to do the job of President as Commander of the Armies and the Navies and Head of State?
Mind you I’m the exact, same guy who called foul on Sen. McCain’s concept of COIN, but he, at least, had a clue. Barack Obama, not so much as even that.
And when I see the ill things he is putting forward in place of doing his job, I will speak out against them, too because these are not part of the job we give to government. He wants to do things we don’t hand to the government and ignore the job we DO hand to government, and I stand united with that and my Nation. The President is welcome to do his job any time he pleases, and we have had many a President who decided not to do so much of it… and busy bodies like both Roosevelts, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, and Carter who want to do some other job that we have not created in this Nation because it is not the government’s to do.
So, please, put aside the childish idea that we are to unite behind a *leader*: that is a path to authoritarianism and making the citizens of the United States *subjects* of a government. We did fight a war over that to the tune of 10% dead and 15% fled – we are a Revolutionary Nation that dares to stand for the rights of man as an individual and limited government to give the freest, largest exercise of those rights to build a better Nation outside of government. That this is the best way is self-evident as Jefferson and Franklin got through to us via the Declaration. The the current occupant of the Oval sees government in the leading role is also self-evident. He is welcome to be in unity with those at any time, just as I awaited his predecessor to do the same, and the President before that, and before that, and before that, and before that….
That is the actual unity to keep unification with government out of the picture and see it as a necessary evil that must be kept cicumspect of what it does and not intrude on our lives to remove liberty from us.
And a reminder on President Jackson: he got rid of the National Bank, which would be very much like our Federal Reserve, because it was incompetent, run by cronies and did not serve the American People. It took President Wilson to bring that back… can’t say as it has done us much good getting things wrong in the 1920′s through ’40′s and 1990′s to present. Democrats used to understand the concept of less government that is fair and just to all of its citizens was good government… one that did not support ill-institutions used against her citizens. Unfortunately no party supports that, and soon, very soon, we will see the true cost of that.
Some of us feel vindicated in our early, constant and loud warnings and accusations that this man is a Marxist and a commie. We were not joking. The astonishing thing to us is not that morons could not see this but that supposedly intelligent people could not and would not see it.
It’s not always a happy thing to be right, especially now. But for conservatives, Obama and his fellow Marxists are doing our work for us. Keep it up.
I have no answers, but it’s good to go somewhere like this and see that I’m not alone. It’s cold comfort, but it’s comfort all the same.
And the market continues to go down 1-3% a day.
Thanks, Barack!
If you are a small business owner and are forced to lay people off, start with Obama supporters.
Show them what real economic warfare is.
112 “If you are a small business owner and are forced to lay people off, start with Obama supporters”…
Just after the election, I saw a newspaper piece in which a small business owner was quoted as saying he knew he was going to have to lay people off. As he considered his small crew of 12-18 employees and was struggling with the idea of “choosing people to be unemployed”, the solution dawned on him.
He just went to the parking lot and wrote down the names of the owners of the cars that had Obama stickers. They wanted change. They got it.
The more destitute the people become, the easier it will be to force through programs that will appear to give them entitlements, but will in fact indenture them and generations to come. The Emmanuel comment seems too convenient, perhaps what we have had since September is the true realization of an “October surprise”. It was too convenient that Barney Frank spoke of the liquidity and strength of Fannie/Freddie Mac just before the bubble burst, thus guarantying an OB victory against any Republican. It will be too soon if Bernanke’s comments were correct about the economy . . . social revolutions take time, or (without the time) violence and class warfare. Perhaps his choice of methodology is stealthy, but reality (and time) may force his hand.
Perhaps the majority wants a welfare state where all partake, where none have potentials beyond the mass and government service (and bennies) are solely for generational party members . . . our own true leadership, our own nomenclatura
#93 Sphere:
” We live in the greatest, richest country on earth, yet people who have lost their jobs, and therefore their health insurance and income, are left to die from diseases and conditions that could be treated.”
Do you have some factual examples of this?
Because if anything, extending free medical care to people via the Emergency Rooms, has increased the burden on those of us with health insurance, and also caused many a hospital to close its doors. I could offer California’s sad example of bankruptcy.
“But look around. Is this country really doing well?”
We’re taking a bite out of the fecal biscuit, this is so. In large part this is paying for the excessess of the past 16 years, (since the last recession in 1992).
Capitalism is cyclical by its very nature, it oscillates between booms and busts.
This isn’t something that one can blame a President, from any party, for.
What we CAN blame Presidents for is how they react to the Capitalist cycle. A Depression is a Recession that has been mis-handled.
In 1970, Richard Nixon instituted wage and price controls and deficit spent to continue LBJ’s Wars on Poverty and in Viet Nam, when the Oil Embargo in 1973 hit, the Stagflation Era began.
In 1961 and 1981, Presidents Kennedy and Reagan slashed taxes in the teeth of the recessions that were occurring, and the economy recovered and started growing within two or three years.
In 1992, Bush 41 told us that the going would be rocky, but that the economy would rebound in 18 months or so, and this is EXACTLY what happenned. Clinton, to his credit, embarked on a remarkably prudent fiscal policy of paying down the national debt, and the 1990′s was the result.
In 2001, the dot.com bubble’s bursting, coupled with the 9/11 attacks caused W to slash interest rates and cut taxes. This was done to effect a “soft landing” so that the country would not have had to suffer a recession in addition to the other problems abroad we were facing.
W’s policy, while we can debate the merits of it, effectively caused us to skip a “scheduled recession”, and so the market never really corrected itself.
And now here comes the fellow who claims to have been born in Hawaii, whose response is Johnsonian, not Rooseveltian, (as he would like to claim).
There are very few items in his Stimulus Bill that could be called Capital Improvements,(that just happen to provide a lot of high skilled jobs), but there’s a lot of “Lifestyle subsidies” and “Government Bonuses” for Democratic poilitical constituencies, (or their representatives).
“The left doesn’t only want bigger government. We do believe in the free market. The system creates profits brilliantly. We get that.”
Maybe you “get” it, but your apparent envy is overcoming your reason in understanding it.
Government does not create wealth. Government is a parasite upon the wealth of it’s People.
At it’s best, Government can create the conditions in which wealth can be created, but FAR more often than not, the Government destroys wealth and impedes the market.
You assert without proof that people lose their jobs and are left to die from preventable diseases, as though this is a desirable by-product of a conservative, Business friendly Government.
Let me ask that you answer a few simple questions.
If that were so, who would then be alive to pay taxes? Who would buy Business’ products and services? Who would have the money?
“The unfettered capitalism that led to this country’s economic rise also gave us slavery, and child labor, and brutal working conditions in factories and slaughterhouses and in the mines.”
I would note that those conditions improved, Capitalism DOES evolve.
Henry Ford did not pay his workers the unheard of sum of 5 dollars a day because someone from the Government ordered him to.
He did it so that he could sell Model T’s.
This is 2009, chum, not 1909.
Loved comments 112 and 113!
And also love all the ignorance displayed by those trolls who don’t realize that the Nazis were socialists. They have been convinced by their brainwashing in the public schools that leftist ideology will bring us utopia. Read the bestseller “Child 44″ to see a fictional portrayal of the true end results in a society of government’s total control.
public protest? this is not in your interest as you will be identified by the police and tracked closely. meet on private property in small cells and assume you are being recorded by an infiltrator. real meetings are done between two individuals only, never by phone and never by email as both are completely insecure.
your purpose is to organize for the future. we need the ACORN type process to work for us. become a community organizer for the right (i have already started this) with the harmless task of voter “registration” as your goal. lawyer up, make identifying lawyers interested in the cause of freedom a primary goal.
try to find out who the wealthy are in your area and where they stand. money is the key to the possibility of success as we are entering a very corrupt time in our nations history and judges, elected officials are all fair game.
The three elements of a Republican comeback are missing a fourth one, which should be the first one on the list:
Acknowledge and apologize for the way in which the Republicans from 2001-2006 spent money and expanded government like drunken democrats. No weasel words, no dancing around the question. ‘Fess up with a big mea culpa. Without that, the other three points lack credibility.
Jennifer, not sure if you read the comments produced after one of your articles…I was one who said “maybe, we’ll see” after you wrote one about the potential centrist “heart” of a newly elected President Obama.
I think that those who stand in fair critique and reasoned criticism of President Obama’s plans must do certain things. (By the way, attacking his skin color or religion instantly discredits the remainder of any comment…for those inclined to do such a thing)
One of the things that must be done, is for more hard line conservatives to cease and desist immediately the closing of the tent against those who would join them in the critique. This “my way or the highway” position is bad strategy as much as it’s bad attitude.
Centrists, moderates, libertarians, “issue-ists” of every stripe can outflank extreme leftism, throwing them out in the cold because they don’t agree on every idea and every strategy is senseless.
Here are things that are absolutely necessary:
1) Don’t shoot an elephant with a BB gun, don’t shoot a mouse with a howitzer. (the broad attack on the specific and the specific attack on the broad ideas shows an inability to articulate what the problem is, how to identify it, how to recognize it, …so, you will never get to how to solve it.)
2) Critique the plan, not the man. (right now, the loyal opposition are getting universally schooled in how to use language to express ideas, concepts, and to persuade. The art of argumentation and persuasion …completely lost on Republicans. I have never witnessed so many horrid public speakers attached to one group in the entirety of my five and one half decades on the planet. If you can’t articulate ideas, you have none. Instead, you have random, disjointed thoughts that lose their way between brain and mouth. President Obama is a master at words. He is a wordsmith. Republicans couldn’t even make a good apprentice in the smithy’s shop. Unless and until one can articulate and persuade…you don’t have an idea worth mentioning. You destroy the concept with poor presentation. Put more plainly, Republicans kill their own positions with horrific presentations of them.)
3) Find a voice. The Republicans have not a single, solitary charismatic voice around which to galvanize. It MUST be someone with the skill sets outlined in paragraph 2 above. I could not have been more disheartened by Jindahl’s response. I thought he might articulate some outstanding critique’s and show hope for the future. That hope was dashed, bashed and crashed in an instant.
4)Understand you are in a rigged game. I have played organized sports at a “fairly” high level most of my life. I know when the umpires or refs are calling a rigged game. (as happened in a recent girls high school basketball game in San Clemente). The ref cheats the entire purpose of fair competition. Anyone who opposes extreme leftism is in a rigged game. You have to be twice as good, more on your game, SUBSTANTIALLY better than your competition. The entrenched media will not give opponents of extreme leftism a fair shake. This must be accounted for in the preparation and presentation of ideas. Acknowledge it upfront, confront it openly and deal with it.
5)Do the damn homework! The devil is in the details and somebody has to put their nose to the grindstone and go through the details, digging out the the root problems. This is not a time for being lazy and complacent.
6)The budget outlines a $1.75 trillion dollar deficit. If you can’t explain how and why that is a train wreck waiting to happen, give up your seat in Congress for someone who has an IQ above a pineapple. And, if you can’t explain how Democrats forced a bill down America’s throat without letting anyone read it, give up your seat to someone who has the courage to stand up and be counted. And, if you can’t identify what an “earmark” is and explain why it’s not true that this is “devoid of pork”, then give up your seat to someone who doesn’t want to play that pork game with their hands in America’s pockets. And, if you can’t explain that ADDING a trillion here or a trillion there is not INHERITING a problem, but fueling it…get the hell out of town.
Follow these rules and you have a chance. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy tonight’s state music.
Ruthie
No there is a different between being a Republican and a conservative.
If you truly are a conservative, then many times you have to hold your nose and vote for Republicans because your other choice is to vote for a socialist. On the other hand if you are a Republican you can vote for either a Republican or you can vote for the socialist.
There are probably some conservative in Maine and Pennsylvania but not enough to affect their state Republican parties. You therefore get senators like Collins, Snowe, and Spector.
I love the smell of Republican hysteria in the morning!
Conservatives need a symbol, a symbol that unites us around our shared set of values and that promotes action in defense and furtherance of those values.
This symbol cannot be a real person, since none of us could live up to the ideal.
I think we’ve had such a symbol all along, the most un-PC of all the superheroes.
A common man who met and overcame the greatest challenges,
and a man that the forces of Leftist Statism tried to murder, but could not.
http://www.sethskim.com/Captain%20America%20is%20Back2.jpg
Captain America LIVES.
Rally behind his shield.
Well, the mystery has been solved. Obama is an unalloyed and extreme liberal. >>>
Ms Rubin you are 100% wrong!!!
Hussein is a Marxist period. End of story.
You are in denial writing polictically correct stuff.
Marxist and extreme liberal do not equate.
Hussein is a Marxist.
Its time conservative writers called a spade a spade. Yes in honor of Sam Spade I am using the term.
I agree with these people when they say . . .
#78 delia . . . The half-black Alfred E. Newman always showed his hand and people who didn’t care about how evil that hand was turned a blind eye
#82 fred . . . Evil is firmly planted at the level of history, biology, psychology. It has an organic basis. It is powerful, but does not have the power to create life. Only God can create life – and even bring life to where there is death.
#86 meryl . . . His cluelessness and (apparently deliberate) refusal to engage in anything international is weird to the point of embarrassing . . . He’s an utter joke. I can’t believe he even takes this seriously. Can he really be so stupid that he doesn’t know how badly he is screwing up?
#87 john griffin . . . here is hoping you and others like you wake up before the Obamanista’s line you up against a wall. Bang!
#97 Rachel peepers . . .You’re in a death struggle with the darkest, dirtiest side of moral ethical depravity and it stretches from sea to shining sea.
#106 fear obama . . . The MSM is just bursting at the seams wanting to jump their little brown boy wonder.
#109 ajacksononian . . . Where is his unity with us? Where is his unity with the Nation?
#110 peg c . . . It’s not always a happy thing to be right, especially now
#115 bilgemena . . . We’re taking a bite out of the fecal biscuit
#117 we must survive . . . public protest? this is not in your interest as you will be identified by the police and tracked closely.
#119 cfbleachers . . . right now, the loyal opposition are getting universally schooled in how to use language to express ideas, concepts, and to persuade
#111. Emma: . .. I have no answers, but it’s good to go somewhere like this and see that I’m not alone
Word.
When Senator Byrd objects to power grabs by the Executive Branch, we know we’re all in trouble.
The current financial crisis was years in the making and you can primarily thank Bush his team of numbnuts for that (To you goobers firmly believing that it was Democrats via the Community Reivestment Act to blame — quit hanging out at only clueless right wing web sites and maybe visit sites containing actual economic & financial research.)
An economic stimulus is a now pretty standard governmental economic tool, and Obama is basically following the advice of the best experts.
And while $787 billion seems like an awfully big amount of money to gamble with on a solution that’s not guaranteed to work, it’s still not much more than the lowest cost estimate of the sorry ass Iraq war to date, $600 billion, and much less than the largest estimate, $3 trillion (from the Washington Post, adding in hidden and follow-up costs puts it at $1.5-3 trillion).
If conservatives and Republicans really want to be useful, just hit hard on any wasteful uses of the money, especially when it reaches the state and local level when it then will likely fall out of the media spotlight (thanks mostly to the decline of the watchdog, “liberal” newspapers you guys keep attacking and whining about without thinking things through.)
Sphere asked “what about fairness”? Is fairness the reason others should be taxed to oblivion so someone can continue to be a deadbeat and not pay their mortgage they couldn’t afford? Is it fair that our grandchildren should be strapped with ruinous debt so the venal politicians can push their insane boondoggles in the guise of a stimulus?
The left doesn’t “get the free market”. If it did it would understand that raising corporate and capital gains taxes will push the teetering economy over the edge into the abyss. Kill the golden goose of investment and we’re all screwed.
Funny you mention government as being the answer for disaster relief. Long before the Bush administration was blamed for failing to respond to Katrina, big government liberals, Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco sat on their hands while New Orleans sunk. The flood was largely caused by the idiotic channel the Army Corps of Engineers built to divert Mississippi River water.
Slavery was not caused by capitalism but by a feudal plantation system imported from Europe. It was ended by an idea spawned in the churches of New England and carried out by an army equipped by the dynamism of American industrialism, even as World War 2 was.
I believe your intentions are good but your naivety and ignorance are dangerous ground and make you a dupe for demogogues.
“The left doesn’t only want bigger government. We do believe in the free market. The system creates profits brilliantly. We get that. But a rising GDP says nothing about fairness, about health, about living conditions, about basic morality. The job of government is not to get bigger, it’s to recognize those things that the market will not accomplish on it’s own, like disaster relief or ensuring that every child in America can see a doctor when they’re sick. The unfettered capitalism that led to this country’s economic rise also gave us slavery, and child labor, and brutal working conditions in factories and slaughterhouses and in the mines. Captialism in its native form does not care about people, or about morality or ethics. That’s the job of government.” Sphere
The long list of errors here, and the fundamental one, are exactly what the Right needs to understand in order to defeat the Left permanently.
This commenter’s view that Capitalism is a morally neutral engine of productivity that needs to be modified by egalitarian, ‘kind hearted’ distribution ideals is the root conflict of our age.
One can argue all day about the economic aspects, with each side citing it’s historical facts and statistics. But to really move the debate forward – and to win – will require defending Capitalism as the only moral system – because it leaves individuals free to pursue their own values, requiring only that they respect the rights of others. Because it based on each individual’s rights to life, liberty, and voluntary trade and the purpose of government is to protect those rights, not to violate them in the name of coerced charity.
Capitalism rests on the implicit moral code that holds you do not have a moral duty to try to heal every sick stranger or feed every unknown hungry child. Your life is your own; you are not a tool to provide for the needs of others.
Sphere, let’s hope unknowingly, does not see that his morality requires slavery and would make you the slave.
#103
There was an election last November. We won, you lost, and you will never get another chance.
As our new Leader, who is loved and supported by the vast majority of Americans, said last night, “the time of reckoning is here.”
It’s time for you racist hatemongers to pay the bill.
Sorry homeboy ( or homegirl), but those are fighting words.
“You’ll never get another chance” implies you believe that its time to end the government we’ve had for the last 200 years. If that’s the case you’re a traitor to our principles and the US Constitution.
If you believe the vast majority of Americans welcome the coming of some kind of jihad or “day of reckoning” you’re a pathetic deluded fool. Americans took a chance on what they thought was a more capable candidate to deal with serious issues of our time. They hoped for a Kennedy not a Louis Farrakhan.
The only racist hatemonger here is you. Opposing ruinous public policy is democratic not racist.
If “time to pay the bill” means reparations don’t let your supper get cold waiting on that one. If it means in blood you are an enemy of civilization with all the future of a cockroach.
I almost feel sorry for the Republicans. They know what their role is supposed to be. Having failed to inhabit the role for the last eight years (and a lot longer) they don’t realize how silly they look slipping into the same old costume. It’s like a fat man trying to do an ad for a weight loss regimen. It doesn’t sell that well.
Republicans, Golly Day, punch yourselves out of a paper bag. The Project for the New American Century has been silenced, Bush is in hidding, and his cronies can’t get invited to a barBque.
And to hear the right still beating the drum makes me laugh, it is as popular as listening to Fran Dresser.
The Shadow had the power to cloud mens minds so they could not see him. Obviously some out there were not hypnotized deeply enough, the empty suit never had a mask, just a cloud that has evaporated.
Here is what this Country faces ((((((A TOTAL DISASTER ))))))) no matter what Party you ‘Trust ‘ if any .
{If } Obama puts all of his TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS ‘Projects ” into place, I believe will happen sadly BY THE END OF HIS 4 YEARS .The Cost of Govt. in the GDP will be 31 % .Now compare that to Reagan at 9 % of GDP even with his Billions he spent on the Cold War .
There is No way Business, Working Americans or Corp.s can support that huge tax burden .
You may recall that is exactly what happened to England in the 1970.s before Lady Maggie Thatcher took over there as PM .
WE NEED MAGGIE THATCHER HERE AS WELL NOT OBAMA !
129. trangbang68:
#103
There was an election last November. We won, you lost, and you will never get another chance.
As our new Leader, who is loved and supported by the vast majority of Americans, said last night, “the time of reckoning is here.”
It’s time for you racist hatemongers to pay the bill.
___________________________
That is called Black Logic and a Obama voter that thinks paying Taxes is a “White Thung “
I am not surprised, at all. I checked O-bam-bam’s New Astrology horoscope and it fits.
Cool Cat Obama & Leo the Lion (The Royalty Sign)
http://onwardjames.blogspot.com/2009/01/cool-cat-obama-or-lion.html
Just where are these republicans that want to expand school choice, cut spending and increase personal liberty? Seriously. Just show them to me and I’ll help them out. I live in the “most republican state in the union” (Utah) and the only thing the republicans here know how to do is raise taxes, grow government, encroach on personal liberty and oppose school choice. Please, show me where these liberty-loving republicans are, because for the past 20 years, I haven’t seen them and I’ve been looking really, really hard. Over and over again, republicans tell libertarians like me that I’m their best choice while they simultaneously preside over the biggest expansion of government at all levels. Why should I believe that they “get it” now? They had their chance and they blew it massively. Thanks to their continued incompetence I don’t have just “creeping socialism”, I now have “full steam ahead socialism”. Thanks!
Dear #103 “Yes we did” and #93, “Sphere”:
I don’t hate Obama because he’s black. I hate him because he’s 100% false. In fact, I’d put Obama and Michael Moore in the same catagory. This doesn’t make me a racist: it makes me a discerning individual.
All this debate about “fairness” is useless in the extreme. Look (as Obama would say): when an entity has to forcefully take money from one person to give it to another, that’s a violent act (thanks for the quote Milton Friedman). It’s coersion. It’s mafia. And it should be illegal.
And just for your information, being gainfully employed with employer provided insurance is no guarantee of full coverage. We have a group policy through the county where my husband works, and yet this year we paid a whopping $7,600.00 + change in out of pocket expenses. Is THAT fair? Why don’t you give me some of your money so I can pay these bills?
I think the point you liberals are missing is this: our government is fricking inefficient, regardless of party affiliation. I don’t want them taking my money and deciding which social programs it will go towards. I don’t want it going to Planned Parenthood because I don’t support abortion. I don’t want it going towards unwed mothers who spit out one illigitimate kid after another with different men.
Give me my entire paycheck and you’ll see my money go to work at the local level – which is where contibuting has the greatest impact. Then I’ll know our community is getting a dollar-for-dollar benefit, rather than the penny-for-dollar “benefit” our federal government gives.
Quite frankly, I am tired of being called names: racist, uncompassionate, uncaring, greedy, just to name a few. Stop telling me to “get over it.” Our government’s decisions today will have a negative impact for generations. Our enemies see us as a bunch of silly people. Our president hasn’t responded to one single threat since taking office. Why should I get over that? I’m scared, and dammit, you should be too. Open your eyes and ears to the truth.
My rant isn’t a “Bush vs. Obama” thing: it’s a “God help us” thing.
One month in and the commenters sound like the leftoids of the past 8 years. Surely we can do better than this?
Yes everybody, relax…Submit.
I smell hysteria and have noticed a distinct lack of coherent thoughts coming out of the pro-Obama crowd posting here. I do think it’s important to note that they have not offered any intelligent rebuttal to any points made just more “we won!” nonsense. Speaks volumns as to how they’re dealing with the downfall of the chosen one.
Rachel modest proposal. (two of many)
To begin with, emphasize that Obama is an unrepentent liar.
His Wastefulness Bill has 8,000 obscene money down the toilet, 60 million for studying the bumble bee, earmarks.
Then blatantly in the next breathe Dumbo says there are no earmarks in the stimulus bill. Hammer this into the wood that serves as grey matter in Obama voters.
And buy a gun.
Have a nice day,
Rachel
THE FACTS KEEP GETTING IN OBAMA’S WAY
When will the President figure out he is no longer on the fairy tale campaign trail?
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/02/if-it-werent-for-facts-obama-would-be.html
Yep – we tried it the way you people want it. Now Obama wants to try HIS method. I say, repubs have no leg to stand on when it comes to running the country.
Thanks for Bush – thanks for nothing.
thaDeetz:
First of all you didn’t even read the wiki page that you quoted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Please name any respected scholar who says Nazism/fascism is one in the same. A name means nothing after all I would hardly describe the Democratic Republic of Congo democratic or a republic. Anyways all you tough guys can do your republican part. Refuse the tax cut Obama’s giving you! Tear up your library card, take your kids out of public school, don’t take unemployment or any other big, bad government hand out. After all, its all those services are things you hate.
“Mask”??..What mask?…Maybe the GOP need to stop looking for the forest when the trees have been in clear view for 2 YEARS!….Let’s review the “extremism” that Rubin references..Obama campaigned on the following KEY promises: 1. End the War in Iraq 2. Tax cuts for 95% while letting Bush cuts for top 5% expire. 3. Focus on Afghanistan. 4. Financial aid to college students in exchange for “service”. 5. Universal Healthcare. 6. Funding and focus for pre school education 7. Infastructure spending to boost middle class 8. Energy reform to weed US from foreign oil. 9. Close Gitmo ….The only “mask” here is the one that the GOP keeps trying to put on. This “extremism” agenda was supported by 70 million Americans in the last election. What you’re SEEING is something rare. A politician trying to execute on the promises that he ran and WON on. The conservatives have always frightened dems into moving AWAY from promises they campaigned on (see Clinton)…This President has a mandate, high support (outside of pajamas-land) and guts. I’m not sure if all of this will work but there’s no “mask”…Whatever you think of his agenda, let’s not miss the point that he made in the first paragraph of his Nov 4th victory speech: “Change HAS come to America”.
Some services are earned, others like ACORN getting millions are not. Obama is doing BLT from the back door. Rewarding failure, supporting abortion, and healthcare for all.
Socialism has never worked. We need smaller government, fairness for all Americans, and people well armed to protect themselves.
Remember, Hammers do not murder. The person who used the hammer to murder is the guilty party.
The Secular Humanist agenda for the last 38 years has gotten us to this point. It will only get worse.
#93 (Sphere)
If you look at the facts – not the facts as you would like them to be, but actual statistics – conservatives and libertarians in this country do far more for their neighbors than liberals. Liberals stand around and scream that someone (read: the government) should do something and those that don’t are selfish and not compassionate. But while you’re standing around being “selfless and compassionate”, we’re actually doing something about those in need. We just don’t feel the need to get others to pat us on the back.
Comparing those who do the most *voluntarily* and those that don’t but like to make a lot of noise, that would make the libs (read: *you*) the selfish and non compassionate. Just because you feel that someone should do something, doesn’t make you compassionate! You have to actually do something YOURSELF!!
Yup! I’m on it Whatnow?.
A) I’m contributing to the domestic industrial output of American companies by buying guns, ammo, and accessories with my Obama Stimulus “tax cut”…While I still can, and before his “cuts’ magically morph into Obama’s ‘catastrophic tax increases’ to pay for the biggest packaged expenditure of federal funds in the nation’s history.
B) My kids aren’t in public school. In my area this practice of not relying on public schools yet paying taxes to support them is considered caring about ones children.
C) I don’t need a library card cause I can afford my own books and media discs. OMG! And I’m paying for the po’assed likes of you to have your library card.
D) Did I mention I can afford stuff like my own books (and guns)? This is done through a comprehensive discipline called ‘working’, and through the mystic art of managing a ‘budget’ based on what one has ‘earned’. This state of financial bliss is possible for those not taking on a mortgage that one cannot afford in hopes of livin’ large and/or milking a bubble.
Aouuuuummm! I will not over spend on credit, and I shall not invest in every crackpot enviro-socialist scam that comes down the pike disguised as a market.
Piece of friggin’ cake.
The week before the election I told my girlfriend that Obambi was a socialist. She was vehement in her denials and quite outraged, and of course she had already voted early. Most of the people who were not extreme left and who voted for him clearly believed he was lying to get left wing support. Eg. Ann Althouse. A large number only voted for him because they were convinced that McCain was a psychopath who would start another war, thanks in part to the mainstream media that wanted to hump Obama.
monkeyfan:
Its so easy to make fun of people like you. Thanks for keeping John Stewart and Colbert flooded with material you goon.
My art sums up Obama http://www.cafepress.com/Fair_America/6470583
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When Obama’s poll numbers get to a certain point, probably around 50, there will be mass defection – even in the media. Why do you think GE’s CEO is allowing the kinds of dialogue that we’ve been hearing on CNBC? GE is a stock company! Come on! Socialists have been sucking the free market milk all along – its what keeps them alive! This guys draining it!!!
The Democrats will either succeed in creating a welfare state or cause a depression that will dwarf the depression of the thirty’s. My wife and I are planning for the latter. Though it will be a traumatic experience for many, the one benefit will be that we will be wiser for the experience and hopefully no DemocRAT will ever win an election again.
They can think all the positive fantasy illusions they want but time will prove their folly. Mark my words!
Karen #75
I followed your hyperlinks and found the UNAPOLOGETIC CONSERVATIVE.
Very interesting.
Then I followed your other hyperlink about the ILLUMINATI. I’ve never read such a bunch of crap in my life. After reading it, I had to sit there and pick apart truth from blatant lies. The more I read it the more I realized that it was written in total by a psychotic mind. I could just see how this man was listening to his voices as he typed away. Read it carefully and look for what you know it truth and what has been twisted beyond being reasonable. Please be careful what you put out there. This is all the sickos of the world need.
Also I fail to see what this has to do with the topic about Obama. Do you have some hidden agenda?
This might shed some light on our present situation and how it was designed from the beginning to end in the bankruptcy and foreclosure of our nation. It also gives an idea of who is actually calling the shots in our great nation:
The Federal Reserve
By THOMAS D. SCHAUF, CPA
http://www.apfn.org/money/federal_reserve.htm
How the “Bank” of Rome creates Federal Reserve Notes out of nothing!!
Step 1 – Fiat “money” creation begins when the “Bank” of Rome decides that the U.S. is ready for another bite from that old serpent the Devil. They instruct their American branch —the Federal Reserve Bank — to order Congress to raise the debt limit by $1 billion.
Step 2 – Congress obeys the “Federal” Reserve Bank and instructs the U.S. Treasury to print $1 billion interest bearing bonds and sell them to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
Step 3 – The U.S. Treasury prints the$1 billion interest bearing bonds and sells them to the Federal Reserve Bank!! As security or collateral they offer the INCOME TAX collected from the taxpayers. The U.S. Treasury prints only the Principal . . . not the usury or interest.
Step 4 – The “Federal” Reserve or the Fed buys the usury bearing bonds and credits the U.S. Treasury for $1 billion. The government must now pay back the bonds with INTEREST. As the interest was not created, it can NEVER be repaid with “Federal” Reserve Dollars!!
In a closed monetary system like the U.S., only “Federal” Reserve Notes are legal tender to pay back the bonds. Gold and silver are REAL money and could be used to repay the debt but they are stored in Switzerland and credited to the account of the “Bank” of Rome.
Since the Treasury only printed the PRINCIPAL —not the usury or interest —the money can NEVER be repaid…. The end result is bankruptcy and foreclosure for the government. This is the very same scam that the Bank of England tried to impose on the Colonies when they made specie or coin the only means to repay the king’s tax.
http://www.reformation.org/federal-reserve.html
I stumbled on this website, and I can’t believe my eyes! What a bunch of crackpots. I never thought I could find a n utbunch like this outside an insane asylum. Thanks, whatnow? and a few valiant others for trying to reason with these guys/gals. But can’t you see they live on another planet? A planet where the following principles reign:
every man to himself, and screw social solidarity
maintain empire to oppress the rest of the world and force our dying way of life on them,
overuse our resources,and screw the environment, it doesn’t care
animals are for shooting and eating (or maybe as pets)
global warming is an eco-cospiracy
government is only for maintaining order but for the rest the hidden hand of the market will find the best solution,
gun ownership
xenophobia, racism and contempt and total lack of compassion towards the working class and poor
and other such “values” and beliefs
Pitiful!
“Republicans need to offer voters an alternative vision and alternative policies”
Republicans may offer alternatives all they like. Reagan promised to abolish the Department of Education. Eight years of Reagan; four of Bush; eight of another Bush-20 years of Republican presidencies. During some of that time, the Congress was controlled by Republicans. The Department of Education is still here. Once in office, Republicans became friends to government and brothers to corruption, perhaps not as much as Democrats. Not the “alternative” they promised.
No Republican alternative will be believable until the Republican candidate has a solid record of abolishing government. Who? Where?
tehag
Ms. Rubin,
Pardon me if this was already stated, but you seem to be under the impression that the President is responsible for drafting spending bills,
“Next came the stimulus plan. Yes, he delegated the entire enterprise to Nancy Pelosi and the liberal draftsmen in Congress. But perhaps this was an error in judgment, a departure from what he “really” wanted in order to achieve a stimulus plan.”
Now, I might be mistaken, but I thought that that was one of the defined duties of Congress: the appropriation of funds. All the President can do is make suggestions on spending and capital disbursement; it’s up to Congrees to accept or reject them, and how to turn them into laws.
No. It was more pillow talk.
The only thing that is relevant is that we are getting screwed.
“government is only for maintaining order but for the rest the hidden hand of the market will find the best solution,” #156
Yeah, what a crackpot idea! Held by such well-known loons as Madison, Jefferson, every Supreme Court up to about 1912, etc.
This, as opposed to such sane and sensible ideas held by calm, rational thinkers like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and all the rest.
Call me crazy!
I find post #156 very unsettling. Like you, Jeff Perren, this point jumped out at me:
“government is only for maintaining order but for the rest the hidden hand of the market will find the best solution,”
The poster is presenting it as if it is self-explanatory (same is true with the “gun ownership” point).
We can all agree on some of the other premises in this post such as “Racism is Bad”, “Oppression of others is Bad”, “Animal cruelty is Bad”, etc. We may not agree with I luvObama’s conclusions, but we can at least agree on the premises.
But, when I see the premise, “the Free Economy is BAD”, I feel a real fear for the future of this country.
You folks truly don’t get it. You issue these impassioned call to arms. You throw out lines like “See! This is the true Obama!”
Well, yes, at least you got that one right. This IS the Obama that the rest of us entrusted with our vote, and our government. He promised a rescue and overhaul of the economy. He promised Universal healthcare. He promised education reform.
He’s doing the things we elected him to do. You’ll gain no traction demanding revolt, when the overwhelming majority of the country sees a man living up to his campaign pledges.
Just because you ideologues think his ideas are wrong, doesn’t mean the rest of us agree. You had your shot at this and failed miserably. Step aside while fresh ideas try to extricate us from the abyss to which your policies led…
I luvObama,
Here are three VALUES (not ,”‘values’”, as you wrote) that I believe in:
1. Respect our right to LIFE.
2. Respect our right to LIBERTY.
3. Respect our right to PURSUE HAPPINESS.
Just trying to give you an idea how this crackpot’s thought process works.
“Just because you ideologues think his ideas are wrong, doesn’t mean the rest of us agree. You had your shot at this and failed miserably. Step aside while fresh ideas try to extricate us from the abyss to which your policies led…”
Yes, we know you don’t agree. Most here also probably don’t expect to move you in the slightest. It’s for the benefit of anyone in the middle who might still care about facts and logic.
And, if you think that government control of the economy, etc. represent “fresh ideas” then you need to study a little more history. They are as old, and as stale, as every dictatorship that has ever blighted the planet.
I love it! All these dummies that voted for this well dressed parasite are going to feel his incompetence, and his policies, when they want to retire.
They’re going to have no retirement or health care. Get on your knees for Obama and pray, you fools. That’s all you’re going to have left.
#158 jason – Well, yes, you are a bit wrong. Congress does the appropriations, but the Prez can also submit bills to Congress. (Basic Civics) Also, in 1921, Congress deferred the budget to the Prez. He now drafts it, and Congress then plays with it.
The point is, when it comes to specific policies, the Prez should be drafting the bill, not Congress.
There was more to that goof-ed up swearing in and the follow-up w/ out his hand on the the Bible (He was thinking Koran) than meets the eye!!!!!!!!
The important think to remember is that Obama is an Alinskyite (i.e. a follower of Saul Alinsky) and has followed the Alinsky model to a “T”. If you do not want to read “Reveille for Radicals”, look up “Saul Alinsky”on the net. Wikopedia has a good concise piece. Important points are 1) focus on economic and/or domesric issues. 2) Create and exaggerate a crisis. 3)create an enemy for people to fight. 4) The end justifies the means. Therfore, it is OK to mislead people for the “greater good”. There are many other points but this is the core.
I forgot to add two Important points. 5) Work from the inside 6) Use the democratic process. “It is the best thing we’ve got, for the time being”.
@Peter Baker
Indeed, Obama will repair the tax code, make health insurance universal, and start us on the road to a sustainable economy. Making the government work better is a sure way to put the GOP into retirement.
Peace.
DS
Scratch a liberal: find a Stalinist! (from deguello’s rules for the conservative resistance).
Ahaa, its good dialogue about this post at this place at this blog, I have read all that, so at this time me also commenting here.