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Obama Owes Honduras the Audacity of ‘Nope’

With Zelaya fomenting violence and Chavez looking weak, now is the time for Obama to support the Hondurans.

by
Dan Miller

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July 17, 2009 - 12:00 am
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Chavez, never very popular with the Roman Catholic Church in Venezuela, seems to be getting even less so. Approximately 96 percent of the population claim to be Roman Catholics. Archbishop Roberto Luckert, vice president of the Venezuelan Bishops’ Conference, said last week that the “democratic rule of law” had not been broken in Honduras, despite a “somewhat dark connection,” and that an investigation should have been conducted, “institutionally speaking,” prior to Zelaya’s removal from office. (The principal attorney for the Honduran military, Col. Herberth Bayardo Inestroza, stated on July 3 that although the military had arrested Zelaya under proper orders from the civilian government, it had acted without adequate authority by taking him out of the country. He stated that this had been done to prevent bloodshed there.) Archbishop Luckert also questioned the impartiality of OAS Secretary General Insulza. He noted that “Insulza is worried about OAS elections. Right now this organization is nothing more than a president’s club which caters to them but not to the people.”

Venezuelan media were offended and rushed to bash the Church. This article complains loudly about support said to have been given by “the two-faced, forked-tongued, and back-stabbing ‘Church’” to the brief and unsuccessful coup against Chávez in 2002, and notes that:

The so-called “Church” in Honduras supported the overthrow of Manuel Zelaya government in June 2009 and this so-called “Church” in Honduras supports and encourages the dictatorship set up after the overthrow of the democratically elected Zelaya Government.

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On another front, Venezuelan oil exports continue to fall, dropping by more than 75,000 barrels per day from May to June, according to the Venezuelan Ministry of Energy and Petroleum. The situation with the oil industry, a political football, is likely to get worse. On July 14, oil minister Rafael Ramírez said:

By now, there should not be a single counter-revolutionary in the heart of our company, our industry. … There cannot be a single PDVSA installation where socialist committees do not exist. … Whoever is not in a committee will be suspected of conspiring against the revolution.

He also said that no contracts would be discussed with non-Chavista oil trade unions.

A major factor in Venezuela’s inability or unwillingness to make necessary infrastructure investments in what should be her cash cow has been the expenditure of billions of dollars to support “revolutionary” movements in other countries. If Chávez is to continue to support those movements, he will need more money from the oil industry or from elsewhere. It seems to be in short supply, and Venezuela is trying very hard to attract funds from Russia and elsewhere.

Foreign investment dropped four-fold, from $2.58 billion in 2005 to only $648 million in 2007, according to the latest figures available from the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development. By now, the situation is almost certainly worse, and Venezuela is now willing to permit international arbitration of disputes related to those investments. Venezuela is also willing to provide for more favorable compensation formula in the event of future nationalization of industries in which there has been foreign investment. Whether Chávez means it or will be trusted are other issues.

President Obama could, of course, continue to support Zelaya by demanding that the interim government not “repress” the Zelaya insurrectionists; that would be tantamount to demanding that the interim government yield power to Zelaya. From the standpoint of what’s good for the United States, that would be as foolhardy as were his bland statements at the beginning of the earlier unpleasantness in Iran. Unlike the situation in Iran, such demands might work in Honduras and give Chávez and Zelaya enormous comfort.

President Obama is difficult to read: his slogan-laden public pronouncements may well not reflect his private intentions. It has even been suggested (gasp) that some of the things he said during his presidential campaign are not carrying over into what he does as president. What his intentions may be with respect to Honduras and Chávez remain a mystery. Still, there may be at least some small grounds to hope for a change in which we can believe.

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Dan Miller graduated from Yale University in 1963 and from the University of Virginia School of Law in 1966. He retired from the practice of law in Washington, D.C., in 1996 and has lived in a rural area in Panama since 2002.

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42 Comments, 42 Threads

  1. 1. vivo

    In the news:

    “Micheletti Offers to Resign
    By Steven L. Taylor

    Via the AP: Honduran interim leader: I’m willing to step down

    The offer was presented by a Honduran delegation to the Washington-based Organization of American States, Micheletti told reporters in Tegucigalpa. It was unclear if the OAS had received the proposal.

    [...]

    If Micheletti were to resign, under Honduran law the presidency would pass to Supreme Court President Jorge Rivera. The Supreme Court backed the coup.

    One suspects that Zelaya won’t be too keen on that offer. Indeed, from his perspective, what would be the difference? Certainly in terms of rectifying the situation, Micheletti’s resignation would hardly reverse the coup.”

    What’s better, Honduran politics or Honduran soccer?

  2. 2. "progressive"watch

    Obama come to the aid of Honduras? You got to be kidding! He’s doing all he can undercover to cut American support from that small embattled republic. Obama will stand nobly on the side while Chavez or Ortega does the dirty work.

  3. 3. Bill

    Vivo:

    If the world hasn’t acknowledged that the Legislature and Supreme Court were acting in accordance with their constitution and rule of law, then what’s the point?

    Demonstrating continued adherence and respect to the Honduran constitution would be wasted on a bigoted world (including Obama) that sees Latinos as capable of only having el-Presidentes for Life, Generals and Perons.

  4. 4. The Shadow

    It is good to see a President supporting democracy

  5. 5. Meryl

    obama is in a codependant relationship with every political thug in the world and, like an abused dog, only wants to please them.

    Since obama favors a strong Chavez regime, I can’t imagine he would consider undercutting him at a moment of weakness.

    The enthusiasm, smiles and body language that obama exhibited in the company of Chavez is something that the Prime Minister of Great Britain and the citizens of Honduras can only dream about.

  6. Update

    16 July 7:00 PM EDT According to a one sentence Associated Press report, a Zelaya aid stated that Zelaya will establish a headquarters in Honduras and fight the “final battle” from there. Where or how were not mentioned.

    16 July 7:35 PM EDT Secretary Clinton denied any rift with President Obama, as she headed off for a week in India and Thailand. It was not reported that she said anything about the stew brewing in Honduras.

    16 July 10:48 PM EDT Fidel Castro blames “Unscrupulous characters of the extreme right who were trustworthy officials of George W. Bush” at the U.S. Embassy in Honduras and elsewhere for the Honduran “coup,” and claimed that they conspired with “coup” leaders to broker a false diplomatic solution while Obama was distracted by travels in Russia. He also said that mediation efforts are intended to exhaust opposition to the ousting of Zelaya

    17 July 12:09 AM EDT President Arias of Costa Rica, mediator in the dispute, rejected “as not a solution” Micheletti’s proposal to resign on condition that Zelaya not return to power. According to this article, Arias stated that reinstatement of Zelaya was not a matter for negotiation, and that “Any solution (in Honduras) needs to include Zelaya’s reinstatement.”

    17 July Interim President Micheletti stated in a televised speech that there are “unofficial” reports that Zelaya may try to enter Honduras by coming across the border with Nicaragua, where he had spent Friday, 16 July. An advisor to Zelaya stated that ”He will try to return by parachute, boat or plane — any way he can get there. . . .There shouldn’t be the least amount of doubt about that.” Another adviser stated that he was already on the way back to Honduras.

  7. 7. Bob in VA

    Obama, the OAS, the UN, and our State (Mistake) Department got this wrong from the beginning and continue to hamstring the legitimate Honduran government from honoring its own constitution. By getting it wrong from the beginning, they empowered Zelaya, Chavez, Ortega and their supporters against the legitimate Honduran government. Obama will continue to side with Zelaya because his ego will never permit him to say that he was wrong. Obama does not care a fig about democracy or even our constitution. Just ask the Chrysler and GM ‘secured’ bondholders how that works!!!!

  8. 8. Fred Beloit

    #1 “The Supreme Court backed the coup.” Then it wasn’t a coup, was it!

  9. 9. Typos_R_Us

    What Fred said!
    It wasn’t a coup. Zelaya was removed from office legally. To be a coup, the removal must be illegal. Look it up.

    The Usurper is not going to give his approval to the legal removal of an elected politician who has violated the Constitution since that act lies in his own future.

  10. 10. bobby

    “Venezuelan oil exports continue to fall, dropping by more than 75,000 barrels per day from May to June.” In the first six months of this year, at least fourteen airplanes, from Venezuela, loaded with 4,000 kilos of cocaine, have either crashed or were captured in Honduras. Even the Chavez puppet Zelaya can’t protect all of them.
    Does anyone, except me, see a connection here? Why does thug Hugo Chavez desperately wants his partner, in crime, Mel Zelaya restored to power in Honduras? What is Obama’s stake in this? I know that Rep. Thaddeus McCotter has written a letter asking Obama, if he, the DEA, the State Dept., or a member of his administration knew that Zelaya was involved in drug smuggling to the United States? (From what i read-almost all the members of the house and senate must be on drugs.)What did Obama know, and when did he know it? What does Chavez know about Obama?
    I live and minister here in Honduras. My family, our 46 children, and i are in the line of fire, if Zelaya and his thugs, invade Honduras with Obama blessings. Zelaya’s supporters are bringing their own nation down, on their own heads.
    Honduras will prevail. God is on the side of truth, and Honduras is standing alone, for the truth.
    I think it would clear up a lot of confusion if everyone would face Tegucigalpa, and say three times each day, “THERE WAS NO COUP, THERE WAS NO COUP, THERE WAS NO COUP”.
    God bless America!!
    God bless Honduras!!
    Bobby Gibson
    bobbyhonduras@yahoo.com
    hhmmission.org

  11. 11. tommyd

    vivo the leftist mouthpiece continues his lies.

    Explain to us all how the coup took place using facts.

    I would be interested how a coup took place considering the plainly known facts of the matter.

    Please list you version of the facts in list form for clarity.

    like so:

    1.

    2.

    3. ect….

  12. 12. robotech master

    I just hope Honduras is ready and willing to take US “volunteers” into its forces should it become a shooting war. The language barrier is always an issue but I think if they plan ahead a little they can overcome that and field a good sized ex-US force to help in their defense.

  13. 13. Baronius

    Always good to see new writers on Pajamasmedia. Interesting article. Between declining oil output and declining prices, Venezuela can’t be doing well financially. If they lose a major cocaine route, could that be the end for Chavez?

  14. Thanks, Baronius. Happy to be here; never can tell where I’ll show up.

    I certainly don’t know for sure that Chavez’s end is in sight; I very much hope that it is, for the sake of Venezuela and other countries under his thumb. Chavez often seems sort of like the Energizer Bunny.

    If Venezuela had hard currency, or even a stable currency, which it doesn’t, Chavez might have a better chance of remaining perpetually in power. According to this article, the Government now finds it necessary to borrow increasing amounts of money from the banks — “a third of his budget this year.” The Government now pays 6% per year on short term bonds (down from 11% earlier), while the inflation rate in June was 27.4% per year (another source expects inflation at about 40% per year soon). Bet the banks jump at that deal; unfortunately, they don’t have much choice.

    Loss of the major cocaine routes through Honduras could well be a problem. Chavez does seem rather cozy with the FARC in neighboring Colombia. It has been alleged that maintenance of the cocaine routes is among the many reasons why Chavez is interested in having Zelaya remain in power. Although I think that Comment # 10 is probably right, and although I recall that such allegations are among the criminal charges pending against Zelaya, these are still just allegations; I haven’t seen any really hard data to support them.

    Meanwhile, this blogger in Honduras continues to provide some interesting insights on what’s happening there. It’s well worth looking at occasionally

  15. According to this article, Chávez said from Bolivia: “Zelaya is going back to Honduras. Let’s see what the [coup leaders] will do.” Chávez did not say how, where or when that might happen.

  16. 16. Meryl

    Dan Miller…thanks for the referral to the Honduran blog. Checked it out and saved it.

  17. According to this article, the United States Government has asked Zelaya to continue with the negotiations in Costa Rica, and not to attempt to return to Honduras — yet. A State Department spokesman said,

    “We don’t want people to take steps that in any way conflict or don’t contribute positively to the Arias mediation efforts. . . . [W]hat we’re trying to do is to get people to really focus on how we can bring about that peaceful… return to democratic and constitutional order. . . . We believe the Arias engagement process is the best way to do this. . .”

    Unless Zelaya and the interim Government make truly major concessions, which seems unlikely, and unless Chávez et al cease pushing Zelaya to try to return, the prospects appear to be very slim for a negotiated settlement.

  18. According to this report, Chávez

    argues that if Mr Zelaya is not returned to power, this will set a dangerous precedent – most of all in countries in the region with leftwing governments. “Next they’ll come for Evo [Morales, Bolivia’s president], then they’ll come for Correa [Ecuador’s president], then Lugo [Paraguay’s president], then Chávez.”

    “The cruel and beastly hand of the yankee empire, trying not only to overturn democracy in Honduras, will next come for all of us who are trying, together with the people, to implement processes of democratic change . . .”

    I wonder why Chávez thinks that he will be the last “they” come for.

  19. 19. robotech master

    To 18. Dan Miller

    He has the most AK-47s?

    He is right that its a hugely bad precedent for leftwing government that the ppl force them to obey things like constitutions.

    Obama’s not exactly a fan of that precedent either.

  20. 20. AntonioSosa

    The U.S. should be supporting Hondurans and the rule of law, NOT Zelaya, a Chavez clone desperate to enslave Hondurans! It’s despicable that, rather than defending the human rights of Hondurans and Latin Americans, the Obama administration is siding with the Marxist thugs who are trampling on human rights and working with drug cartels and Islamic terrorist to destroy the U.S!

    I guess it was to be expected from Obama. As his parents, relatives, friends and mentors, Obama is a Marxist who hates the U.S. As such, he sides with Marxist dictators and would-be dictators who seek to enslave their countries and destroy the U.S.

    Zelaya was implementing in Honduras the scheme devised by Castro and implemented by Chavez and the rest of the Marxist thugs in Latin America to gain absolute power. Thanks to Clinton, now Chavez and Zelaya have Oscar Arias, whom they can use as a “democratic” front to get a stronger hold of their prey, the Honduran people!

    Clinton, as Pontious Pilate, washed her hands from the bloodshed that Chavez/Zelaya will bring by offering the deceitful Arias as a “mediator.” Oscar Arias will be used as a “democratic” front while Chavez and Zelaya get a stronger hold of their prey, the Honduran people!

  21. 21. AntonioSosa

    Even the Brits seem to understand what’s happening in Honduras better than many Americans: “But Obama has a soft spot for socialists, hence his insane cosying-up to the Bolivarian fruitcakes. He has invented a brand new kind of foreign policy: supporting regimes that are violently anti-American. Call it neo-masochism.

    “Obama has reversed the Monroe Doctrine as well as the definition of “democracy”. In supporting the megalomaniac dictators who are trying to drag Latin America into the year 1917, he is mouthing the same claptrap as Miguel D’Escoto Brockman, president of the UN General Assembly and former lieutenant of Ortega in the Sandinista dictatorship, and Miguel Insulza, Secretary General of the Organization of American States (OAS) and Fidel Castro’s champion….”
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100002325/barack-fidel-che-obama-the-bolivarian-revolutions-useful-idiot-reverses-the-monroe-doctrine/

  22. 22. AntonioSosa

    By siding with Zelaya and against the rule of law and the human rights of Hondurans, the corrupt UN and OAS demonstrate again that, rather than defending human rights, they support dictators who trample on those rights. The world in general and the Americas in particular would benefit from the closing of both pernicious organizations. As a bonus, we would all save money and their fancy buildings could be put to better use!

    To further empower and enrich itself, the UN helps promote evil schemes, such as Obama’s global warming/cap and trade Ponzy scheme, which will kill the U.S. economy. The UN, with Miguel D’Escoto Brockman, former lieutenant of Ortega in the Sandinista dictatorship, as president of the UN General Assembly, naturally backs Zelaya.

    And the OAS, with Insulza, active in Allende’s Popular Unity, which sought to impose Marxism in Chile, has been helping Castro and Chavez impose Marxism in Latin America and is now, as expected, backing Zelaya.

    Venezuelans, Bolivians, Ecuadorians, etc. have written open letters to Insulza begging him to defend them from Chavez, Morales, Ortega, Correa, and the rest of the Marxist thugs. Insulza has responded by declaring “transparent and democratic” the fraudulent elections and referendums of his Marxist friends.

    The UN and the OAS have become enemies of freedom and democracy and should be dissolved.

  23. 23. robotech master

    To 21. AntonioSosa

    “Call it neo-masochism.”

    lol thats pretty good.

    As for

    “The UN and the OAS have become enemies of freedom and democracy and should be dissolved.”

    The UN and OAS have pretty much always been enemies of freedom and democracy along with a whole host of other things.

  24. Comments 19 – 23 — Yep. I basically agree and feel similar frustration. In my view, President Obama is, once again, giving comfort to the bad guys and the back of his hand to the good guys. He seems to think that the Monroe Doctrine had something to do with JFK and Marilyn.

  25. According to this article, it looks as though there will either be some flexibility on both sides or civil war.

    Rumors abound that arms are once again crossing the countries’ shared border, that Venezuelans and Nicaraguans are infiltrating groups in the country and that uprisings are being planned in two or three provinces, according to political analyst and columnist Juan Ramon Martinez.

    Ortega called rumors of Nicaraguan infiltration “a total lie,” and countered with reports that Honduran soldiers might try to disguise themselves as Nicaraguan troops to spark unrest.

    American Airlines canceled flights to Honduras, but Continental and Delta continue to fly there. Approximately2,000 Zelaya supporters blocked two highways connecting Tegucigalpa to the Caribbean and Pacific coasts for several hours today.

  26. 26. robotech master

    Guess I’ll be calling the Honduran embassy on monday depending on what happens to see if they’ll be taking in US soldiers.

  27. Re Comment #26: If I weren’t too long in the tooth, I might think about it as well. However, before doing something like that, you might want to consider the implications under U.S. law and the Geneva Convention should you go.

  28. 28. AntonioSosa

    Obama, along with Chavez and Zelaya, are and will be responsible for any violence in Honduras. By backing the Marxist thugs, Obama is giving them time to organize for bloodshed! Zelaya said he’s ready to “risk bloodshed” to regain control!

    Chavez’s paid ACORN-type “community organizers” are in Honduras creating chaos and media shows to manipulate the international community and help Zelaya enslave Hondurans. The 19-year-old Zelaya “supporter” was probably shot and killed not by soldiers but by Chavez’s people. The soldiers had only rubber bullets, and not the kind of bullet that killed the young man. http://radiografiamundial.com/rmblog/latinoamerica-blog/bosch/honduras-bala-asesina-no-es-de-calibre-militar.html/comment-page-1

    Chavez/Zelaya staged the propaganda show where the young man was killed. Chavez’s “community organizers,” mostly from other countries such as Nicaragua, incited “supporters” to violence. And Chavez’s Telesur and “media” (propaganda) people where there to stage and broadcast the propaganda.

    Most of Zelaya “supporters” were paid poor people. Each “supporter” on a motorcycle was paid 300 lempiras (US$15.84) a day plus gas. Taxi drivers were paid 3,000 lempiras (US$158.40) a day to drive “supporters.” Farmers acting as “supporters” are being paid 250 lempiras (US$13.20) a day.
    http://www.hacer.org/report/2009/07/honduras-protestas-favor-de-zelaya-son.html

    Obama and Clinton are helping Chavez and Zelaya continue to lie, manipulate, intimidate and get people killed not to let his prey escape. Their prey is the Honduran people.

  29. 29. bobby

    The Honduran gov. seized 45 computers from Zelaya’s residence and found that they had preprogramed election results, before the voting. One computer showed the results from Tecnico Luis Bogran, de Tegucigalpa. Out of 550 votes, 450 favored the Zelaya referendum, 30 did not favor it, 20 were blank, and 30 were null. This is reported in the media in Spain.I do not know what happened to the other 20 ballots. They may have been for Michael Jackson.
    Viva Honduras!!
    Bobby Gibson

  30. 30. Mike G

    Dan Miller is comment no. 14 feferred to a local Honduras blog site where was written the following:

    ” How can the world suggest that Honduras, which has been criticized as one of the most corrupt countries in the world, must accept a corrupt president who has committed illegal acts, violated the constitution, sacked the public funds, publicly ridiculed the other branches of government, and who has worked tirelessly for the past year to divide the country, first with ALBA and then with the cuarta urna, by trying to buy with bribes the loyalty of the poor or unscrupulous with vast amounts public funds and false promises?”

    Bribing the poor or unscrupulous with vast amounts of public funds and false promises? Does that sound familiar here in the US?

  31. 31. vivo

    3. Bill, 11. tommyd:

    “Please list you version of the facts in list form for clarity.”

    The 2009 Honduran political crisis is an ongoing constitutional crisis. President Manuel Zelaya attempted to hold a non-binding referendum (or plebiscite). Congress and the Supreme Court had deemed the plebiscite unconstitutional. The armed forces of Honduras arrested him, at his home, on 28 June 2009, the date of the scheduled vote which the military chief had refused to coordinate.[16] per order of the country’s Supreme Court. Zelaya was held in an airbase outside Tegucigalpa[17] before being flown to San José, Costa Rica.[18] Zelaya’s arrest took place about an hour before polls were to open.

    Roberto Micheletti, a member of the same party as Zelaya, was sworn in as President by the National Congress on the afternoon of Sunday 28 June[19] for a term that ends on 27 January 2010 [20]. The event was greeted with applause in Congress which had a fractious relationship with Zelaya.[14]

    The United States’ president, Barack Obama, released this statement with regard to the unrest in Honduras: “I am deeply concerned by reports coming out of Honduras regarding the detention and expulsion of President Mel Zelaya. As the Organization of American States did on Friday, I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter. Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference.” [21]

    The President of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, said that he would conduct a military intervention in Honduras if his diplomats are harmed and issued the vague threat “we will bring them down”.[22]

    Source: wikipedia

  32. 32. robotech master

    To 27. Dan Miller

    Most of that stuff depends on how the embassy sets things up. Being hired as a “field cook” bypasses pretty much all the BS stuff. Plus once the US gets military involved its time to leave for many reasons.

    Frankly though because their problems haven’t gone full scale its doubtful they will be willing to put up with the hassle of having to deal with the language barrier to start taking ppl on.

  33. 33. Alisa Lemons

    It is awesome that the bloggers are getting the truth out. The media on this is terrible. I am more disappointed in the American government than I have ever been in my life. I really thought that we stood for democracy. I am proud that the American people are stepping up to the plate. I was in Honduras when the removal of Zelaya took place. I was shocked upon my scheduled return 2 days later to find out that “North America” was not supporting our brothers and sisters in Honduras. I have been emailing, blogging, and talking to anyone that will listen. What more can we do? Is there another way to get to truth out and pressure our government. There are a lot of good people in Honduras depending on us! We can’t let them down.
    Alisa Lemons

  34. 34. Gringo

    From Babalu Blog, which translated this from an online paper from Catalonia province in Spain, breaking news from Honduras:

    “The National Directors of Criminal Investigation seized various computers from the Presidential Palace that had recorded the supposed results of the referendum to reform the constitution that the deposed leader, Manuel Zelaya, was planning to conduct on July 28, the day he was removed from office.
    The official investigation now deals with the possible crime of fraud and falsification of documents due to the fact that some of the certified voting results had been filled with the personal information of individuals that supposedly participated in the failed referendum that did not take place because of the coup.
    One of the district attorneys that participated in the operation that took place this Friday showed reporters an official voting result from the Technical Institute Luis Bogran, of Tegucigalpa, in which the specific number of people that participated in table 345, where there were 550 ballots, 450 of which were votes in favor of Zelaya’s proposal and 30 were against, in addition to 20 blank ballots and 30 ballots, which were nullified.
    The seizure took place on the third floor of the building attached to the Ministry of the Presidency that had been rented to the ex-minister of the Interior, Enrique Flores Lanza. The deputy district attorney, Roberto Ramirez, declared this area as a “crime scene” and, although he did not want to provide further details, said that further evidence had been found that could be categorized as crimes of fraud, embezzlement of funds, falsification of documents, and abuse of authority. ”

    As others have asked, how long will this take to get into the ENGLISH LANGUAGE press, such as AP, Reuters, etc.?

  35. 35. vivo

    CONCACAF Gold Cup

    Canada 0, Honduras 1

  36. 36. bobby

    There is a lie about Honduras on several liberal blogs. A lawyer named Jeri Dixon a Honduran, living in Washington D.C., and scheming to get Zelaya restored, as president of Honduras. Reported to the Obama Media that, after he critisied the new government of Honduras, his mother’s house, in Talanga, was machine gunned by the police, and his mother and brother were severly beaten and his brother was jailed.
    My wife and i personally know this family. Last Tuesday, the brother Olvin Dixon severly beat his sick wife Lisa, the mother of his three small children. She suffered a broken leg, two cracked ribs, and was choked. When Lisa’s 15 year old brother tried to help his sister, Olvin attacked him.
    The police were called, eight officers responded with an arrest warrant for Olvin, who was at his mother’s house. The officers knocked on the door and ask for permission to enter. Olvin’s mother refused. The police forced the door open, but were met by Orvin, who attacked them with his fists. He was arrested, and is now in jail. ABSOLUTELY NO SHOTS WERE FIRED. NO ONE, EXCEPT THE POLICE, WERE BEATEN.
    This is just another effort by, a paid Zelaya thug, to make Honduras look bad. If this had been Zelaya, Castro, Chavez, Ortega, any of the ALBA dictators, several of the OAS members, most of the U.N. countries, who were slandered, the mother and son would have been beaten, jailed, tortured, shot, or hung, and Jeri Dixon would be with them, but not in Honduras. Hunduras has a constitution and the rule of law.
    Lisa and her children were not able to get their clothes, or her medication from home. She is afraid that, if Olvin is released from jail,he may murder her. My wife and i are helping Lisa and her children.
    What will Zelaya’s supporters drag out of the septic tank nest?
    B.G.

  37. 37. vivo

    36. bobby:

    “Reported to the Obama Media that, after he critisied the new government of Honduras, his mother’s house, in Talanga, was machine gunned by the police, and his mother and brother were severly beaten and his brother was jailed.”

    It’s sad, that’s why reading the news is so confusing, distortions and lies abound on all sides. The lack of morals around the world is astounding.

  38. 38. bobby

    vivo
    Thanks for comment. For more information on this issue, including the El Heraldo report, please check La Gringa’s Blogicito. You will find that even the mother, in question, denies that shots were fired, nor was she beaten.

    You are correct, “The lack of morals around the world is astounding.”
    Pardon my Alabama expression. Always look and see who has a dog in the race.

    Also i hit the wrong key. It should be, “septic tank next.”

    I must confess, i do not approve of men like Jeri Dixon, who betrayed his own country for personal gain, or his brother Olvin, who beats his sick wife.

  39. 39. Ruvy

    Dan,

    Thanks for letting me know about this article here. It was a great read, as usual. It looks like you are headed for some serious news watching and coverage in the next little while. Stay safe, you hear?

    Alisa Lemons wrote:

    It is awesome that the bloggers are getting the truth out. The media on this is terrible. Agreed. The media sheeple are distorting this story as they distort so many others world-wide.

    I wonder if you guys get the truth out about my neck of the woods (Israel) as well? I’ll have to check. Any updates out of Central America? Reports of troop movements and stuff like that?

  40. 40. tommyd

    So I still fail to see where a “Coup” took place.

    That is unless you subscribe to the OAS or Chavez or Obama line.

    I prefer to use the Honduran constitution as a guide here which the OAS and Chavez could care less about and Obama apparently has never taken the time to familiarize himself with.

    The Military was involved because the Honduran constitution says they are charged with seeing the constitution is observed. They were instructed by the Honduran supreme court to take action as is specified in the Constitution. It is there I have read it. It is a fact.

    The control of the Honduran government was then returned to civilian control exactly as the Constitution specifies and as was directed by the Supreme Court. That is a fact.

    The only coup that never took place was the one attempted by the former President. That is a fact.

    You have no facts to back up your claim of a coup, you have nothing, what you posted in no way backs your claim of a coup.
    You attempt to give appearance that the military jumped in and took over the situation when in reality they were operating under direct orders of the Honduran Supreme Court and Honduran Congress.

    You have not shown anything of substance to back your coup claim other than your hero Chavez or the banana states OAS leftist claims which carry the weight what I flushed down the toilet this morning. I place your god obama in the same category as Chavez and what went down the sewer pipe this morning…
    You are nothing but a leftist mouth piece, another useful idiot of the left.

  41. 41. Jimbo

    @Dan Miller

    Stop advertising La Gringas Blogocito. That is the worst blog there is about Honduras. She is a paid member of the rich Elites and only talks up Micheletti and his agendas. She is probably a paid CIA asset placed in Honduras a few years ago to be a mouthpiece for the right wing rich elites in Honduras. There is more to her than meets the eye, and she doesn’t speak for Honduras or Hondurans. She is a white woman from North America who lives each day complaining about the poor people she abuses; such as her maids and people that are paid to clean her house and do her laundry.

    If you think for one minute that La Gringas Blogocito represents anyone from Honduras you are dead wrong. Most true Hondurans wish she was out of Honduras and back in America.

  42. 42. bobby

    Jimbo
    Can you prove anything you wrote? Please give facts like names of “poor people she abuses”, names of “right wing rich elites in Honduras.” Is it a crime to, “pay people to clean her house and do her laundry?” Who does your laundry? Do you pay them? Who cleans your house? Do you pay them? How can i get a job with the CIA? Who do you work for? Do they pay you? It sounds like you work for Zelaya/Chavez.
    It seems to me that about 90% of “true Hondurans” agree with La Gringa. Does anyone have to be a Marxist to be a “true Honduran?” I suppose you want me to go back to the States with her. How can we make arrangements for you to pick up, and care for, the 44 Honduran orphans that my wife and i support? Bring a big bus. There are 35 down the road from us cared for by Gringos, and 430 up the road. What are you doing to help the poor in Honduras? I thought so-nothing.
    How about the Doctors coming from the U.S. doing club feet, cleft palates and cleft lips surgeries for Honduran children-do you want to stop them?
    I agree with La Gringa, so i must disagree with you.
    What about we send her, who is living here legally, back to the states, and send the tens of thousands of Hondurans, many of them illegally, back to Honduras? If you don’t agree with her-why read her blog?
    I think you need to see a mechanic-you may have a loose screw.

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