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		<title>By: Austin TX psychiatrist</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-elderly-do-as-i-say/#comment-1772540</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin TX psychiatrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 04:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JL Mealer</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-elderly-do-as-i-say/#comment-453864</link>
		<dc:creator>JL Mealer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father finally succombed to the lack of food and water and died yesterday morning after a long fight with the frualdulently appointed &quot;Fiduciary&quot; Karen Deville 602-506-5842. She issued the death warrant on my otherwise dimentia and healthy 77 year old father Lee Mealer. He begged for food and water for the past month, but she forced the nurses and dotors to NOT feed him. KAREN DEVILLE FORCED THE DOCTORS TO NOT FEED OR GIVE WATER TO MY FATHER. She refused to allow us to feed my father until finally due to outside pressure they allowed what the doctor called pleasure foods since my father was already a week beyond saving.

6&#039;3&quot; 190 lb Lee Mealer was down to 135 lbs and begging for food! By the time the family found out and believe me, we were totally shut out of this due to Karen Deville and her legal guardianship as fiduciary.. By the time we fouind out and rushed to Mesa Christian Care Center 255 W Brown Rd, Mesa, Az 480-833-3988, it was too late.

I watched my dad beg for food. I also watched him eat after the ultimatum was given and we were about to &quot;kidnap&quot; him to safety against the wishes of Ms Deville. The doctors wanted to feed my dad, but Deville said NO. She&#039;s not a doctor! She has no medical background! This murderer needs to be living penniless and homeless under a bridge in refrigerator box and she will be when I get through with this entire murder plan she instituted on my dad. She is demanding he be buried or cremated asap to hide the evidence, but we are so far, successful in fighting it for an autopsy and veteran&#039;s funeral at a veteran&#039;s cemetary.

So far, Gov Jan Brewer has lent support and has helped with the limited time we have known about this. Call and thank her if you care to...800-253-0883. Kevin McCullough and Stephen Baldwin, KTAR, KFYI and hundreds of others (including militia members out of Idaho) who lended me a hand getting my dad fed a week too late to save him. The phone calls made the difference, but it all came about too late.

Do not allow this happen again!

JL Mealer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father finally succombed to the lack of food and water and died yesterday morning after a long fight with the frualdulently appointed &#8220;Fiduciary&#8221; Karen Deville 602-506-5842. She issued the death warrant on my otherwise dimentia and healthy 77 year old father Lee Mealer. He begged for food and water for the past month, but she forced the nurses and dotors to NOT feed him. KAREN DEVILLE FORCED THE DOCTORS TO NOT FEED OR GIVE WATER TO MY FATHER. She refused to allow us to feed my father until finally due to outside pressure they allowed what the doctor called pleasure foods since my father was already a week beyond saving.</p>
<p>6&#8217;3&#8243; 190 lb Lee Mealer was down to 135 lbs and begging for food! By the time the family found out and believe me, we were totally shut out of this due to Karen Deville and her legal guardianship as fiduciary.. By the time we fouind out and rushed to Mesa Christian Care Center 255 W Brown Rd, Mesa, Az 480-833-3988, it was too late.</p>
<p>I watched my dad beg for food. I also watched him eat after the ultimatum was given and we were about to &#8220;kidnap&#8221; him to safety against the wishes of Ms Deville. The doctors wanted to feed my dad, but Deville said NO. She&#8217;s not a doctor! She has no medical background! This murderer needs to be living penniless and homeless under a bridge in refrigerator box and she will be when I get through with this entire murder plan she instituted on my dad. She is demanding he be buried or cremated asap to hide the evidence, but we are so far, successful in fighting it for an autopsy and veteran&#8217;s funeral at a veteran&#8217;s cemetary.</p>
<p>So far, Gov Jan Brewer has lent support and has helped with the limited time we have known about this. Call and thank her if you care to&#8230;800-253-0883. Kevin McCullough and Stephen Baldwin, KTAR, KFYI and hundreds of others (including militia members out of Idaho) who lended me a hand getting my dad fed a week too late to save him. The phone calls made the difference, but it all came about too late.</p>
<p>Do not allow this happen again!</p>
<p>JL Mealer</p>
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		<title>By: poorus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-elderly-do-as-i-say/#comment-351464</link>
		<dc:creator>poorus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wHEN GOVERNMENT CAN DECIDE WHO IS TO LIVE AND WHO IS TO DIE THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW DEMOCRACY IS DEAD AND THOSE WHO HAVE THIS POWER ARE WORSE THAN HITLER. tHIS POOR COUNTRY HAS VOTED ITSELF INTO THE WORSE KIND OF DICTATORSHIP. hELP THEM LORD FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wHEN GOVERNMENT CAN DECIDE WHO IS TO LIVE AND WHO IS TO DIE THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW DEMOCRACY IS DEAD AND THOSE WHO HAVE THIS POWER ARE WORSE THAN HITLER. tHIS POOR COUNTRY HAS VOTED ITSELF INTO THE WORSE KIND OF DICTATORSHIP. hELP THEM LORD FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your article mixes up a few different issues. I don&#039;t know enough about feeding the dememtia patient to comment, but hip replacement surgery is so medically inappropriate for someone with an aggressive terminal cancer. If it was an issue of hip pain, then pain medication would have been better. The fact that Obama would have been &quot;pretty upset&quot; had they decided she couldn&#039;t have the surgery means that he&#039;s just like all the rest of us-- you want to do &quot;everything&quot; for your loved one-- even though that is irrational, it isn&#039;t in their best interest and, yes, it is not sustainable.  I thought Obama was expressing that he too is irrational and we all have a lot to learn.  Since the hip replacement was not only expensive but medically inappropriate, it certainly is proper to come to the realization that a huge number of pregnant women could have been given prenatal care they were otherwise not receiving (by which I mean folic acid, screening for protein and sugar in the urine, bp monitoring, breastfeeding education--it&#039;s a learned art and its teachers don&#039;t charge much) with that same money.  And one elderly cancer patient would not have been any worse off.  (probably better off, in the sense that her last weeks would not have included the torture of futile major surgery).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your article mixes up a few different issues. I don&#8217;t know enough about feeding the dememtia patient to comment, but hip replacement surgery is so medically inappropriate for someone with an aggressive terminal cancer. If it was an issue of hip pain, then pain medication would have been better. The fact that Obama would have been &#8220;pretty upset&#8221; had they decided she couldn&#8217;t have the surgery means that he&#8217;s just like all the rest of us&#8211; you want to do &#8220;everything&#8221; for your loved one&#8211; even though that is irrational, it isn&#8217;t in their best interest and, yes, it is not sustainable.  I thought Obama was expressing that he too is irrational and we all have a lot to learn.  Since the hip replacement was not only expensive but medically inappropriate, it certainly is proper to come to the realization that a huge number of pregnant women could have been given prenatal care they were otherwise not receiving (by which I mean folic acid, screening for protein and sugar in the urine, bp monitoring, breastfeeding education&#8211;it&#8217;s a learned art and its teachers don&#8217;t charge much) with that same money.  And one elderly cancer patient would not have been any worse off.  (probably better off, in the sense that her last weeks would not have included the torture of futile major surgery).</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Halper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Halper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A response to Cynthia (#45):

My father was hospitalized initially for &quot;failure to thrive.&quot;  (As you suggest, this designation means that someone is not doing well, but they don’t know why.)  The doctors performed a number of tests, discovered that he had an infection, and treated it.  They concluded that the root cause of the my father’s problems was dementia, and they recommended against further treatment.  They did suggest hospice care, and we met with the hospice people.  These latter made it clear that they would not provide treatment of any sort, certainly not an appetite stimulant.  The hospital&#039;s palliative care division was devoted to convincing us not to seek treatment and to let go.  However, eventually, after my father had been in the hospital 5 days, the doctors reluctantly started him on the appetite stimulant.  This was a major teaching hospital, and the doctors provided me with medical literature that supported their decisions.  It was clear that they were following the standard procedure for treating the demented.

The care that you have given to your father and your partner is extremely admirable.  However, neither suffered from dementia.  So we are really talking about different issues.

I have never heard of anyone’s being discharged from a hospice.  Your suggestion that hospices are places to go for treatment is certainly not consistent with their intended purpose.  I do not think that you are really talking about hospice care, but about nursing care.  Your antipathy toward physicians is misplaced.  From the medical literature I have read, they prefer nursing care to treatment by feeding tubes, at least for dementia patients, on the grounds that it works as well.  In my view, all sustaining treatments should be considered along with nursing care.  Since you evidently think the old and feeble ought to be sustained, you are on my side.  Your book will be valuable if it persuades people who are capable of providing care for their loved ones to do so.  This is best for the patient, but also, as I say at the end of my article, those who can care for parent may themselves get as much or more from it.  

Your comments and those of others reminded me that many if not most people have a very different view of the medical profession.  The standard picture is that doctors are quick to take extraordinary and painful measures in hopeless cases, measures that prevent patients from having the dignified, peaceful death that they would surely prefer.  Not this, but the opposite happens when the patient suffers from dementia.  Then, doctors recognize that the underlying cause cannot be treated, they judge the patient’s life not worth living, and, therefore, urge the family to allow the patient to die.  Such patients do not typically die of the disease but of treatable symptoms.  This is what I regard as “euthanasia.”  It happens when the patient is severely demented, but also by a slippery slope when patients are not so severely demented.  Again, my point in the article is that doctors do not want to treat the demented because they judge their lives to have no value and their prognosis to be hopeless.  That these patients have lives worth living is, I think, a view you share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A response to Cynthia (#45):</p>
<p>My father was hospitalized initially for &#8220;failure to thrive.&#8221;  (As you suggest, this designation means that someone is not doing well, but they don’t know why.)  The doctors performed a number of tests, discovered that he had an infection, and treated it.  They concluded that the root cause of the my father’s problems was dementia, and they recommended against further treatment.  They did suggest hospice care, and we met with the hospice people.  These latter made it clear that they would not provide treatment of any sort, certainly not an appetite stimulant.  The hospital&#8217;s palliative care division was devoted to convincing us not to seek treatment and to let go.  However, eventually, after my father had been in the hospital 5 days, the doctors reluctantly started him on the appetite stimulant.  This was a major teaching hospital, and the doctors provided me with medical literature that supported their decisions.  It was clear that they were following the standard procedure for treating the demented.</p>
<p>The care that you have given to your father and your partner is extremely admirable.  However, neither suffered from dementia.  So we are really talking about different issues.</p>
<p>I have never heard of anyone’s being discharged from a hospice.  Your suggestion that hospices are places to go for treatment is certainly not consistent with their intended purpose.  I do not think that you are really talking about hospice care, but about nursing care.  Your antipathy toward physicians is misplaced.  From the medical literature I have read, they prefer nursing care to treatment by feeding tubes, at least for dementia patients, on the grounds that it works as well.  In my view, all sustaining treatments should be considered along with nursing care.  Since you evidently think the old and feeble ought to be sustained, you are on my side.  Your book will be valuable if it persuades people who are capable of providing care for their loved ones to do so.  This is best for the patient, but also, as I say at the end of my article, those who can care for parent may themselves get as much or more from it.  </p>
<p>Your comments and those of others reminded me that many if not most people have a very different view of the medical profession.  The standard picture is that doctors are quick to take extraordinary and painful measures in hopeless cases, measures that prevent patients from having the dignified, peaceful death that they would surely prefer.  Not this, but the opposite happens when the patient suffers from dementia.  Then, doctors recognize that the underlying cause cannot be treated, they judge the patient’s life not worth living, and, therefore, urge the family to allow the patient to die.  Such patients do not typically die of the disease but of treatable symptoms.  This is what I regard as “euthanasia.”  It happens when the patient is severely demented, but also by a slippery slope when patients are not so severely demented.  Again, my point in the article is that doctors do not want to treat the demented because they judge their lives to have no value and their prognosis to be hopeless.  That these patients have lives worth living is, I think, a view you share.</p>
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		<title>By: CodeSlinger</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-elderly-do-as-i-say/#comment-272088</link>
		<dc:creator>CodeSlinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia:

You write, &quot;I do not support euthanasia or the assisted suicide programs in Washington and Oregon. They are not mercy. Modest and comparatively inexpensive changes in end-of-life care are what are needed, not euthanasia and not assisted suicide.&quot;

The government has no right to interfere in such matters, or to force a person to wait until the options are so limited.  In a free country, a man&#039;s life is his own, and that includes deciding when it should end.

But America is no longer a free country.  America has fallen victim to the vilest form of cradle-to-grave totalitarianism.  Nothing could demonstrate this more clearly than the State claiming jusridiction over the time and circumstances of death of its citizens -- and to give this claim the chillingly Orwellian name of &quot;health care.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia:</p>
<p>You write, &#8220;I do not support euthanasia or the assisted suicide programs in Washington and Oregon. They are not mercy. Modest and comparatively inexpensive changes in end-of-life care are what are needed, not euthanasia and not assisted suicide.&#8221;</p>
<p>The government has no right to interfere in such matters, or to force a person to wait until the options are so limited.  In a free country, a man&#8217;s life is his own, and that includes deciding when it should end.</p>
<p>But America is no longer a free country.  America has fallen victim to the vilest form of cradle-to-grave totalitarianism.  Nothing could demonstrate this more clearly than the State claiming jusridiction over the time and circumstances of death of its citizens &#8212; and to give this claim the chillingly Orwellian name of &#8220;health care.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Yockey, A Conservative Lesbian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Yockey, A Conservative Lesbian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 18:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward,

It would be helpful to know why your father was hospitalized and I would appreciate your sharing that information.

Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward,</p>
<p>It would be helpful to know why your father was hospitalized and I would appreciate your sharing that information.</p>
<p>Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-elderly-do-as-i-say/#comment-270415</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama can pay for anything he wants.  Just tax the evil rich. They didn&#039;t work for their money anyway.  They just got all the breaks.

Wake up America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama can pay for anything he wants.  Just tax the evil rich. They didn&#8217;t work for their money anyway.  They just got all the breaks.</p>
<p>Wake up America.</p>
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		<title>By: The Historian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-elderly-do-as-i-say/#comment-269950</link>
		<dc:creator>The Historian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 04:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OBAMA TRIES TO STAMPEDE THE HERD
The &quot;now or never&quot; health care claim is phony and without merit.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/health-care-nightmare.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBAMA TRIES TO STAMPEDE THE HERD<br />
The &#8220;now or never&#8221; health care claim is phony and without merit.</p>
<p><a href="http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/health-care-nightmare.html" rel="nofollow">http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/health-care-nightmare.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: WR Jonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>WR Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not one mention of our eternal souls . I am stunned . The most important possession is completely ignored and everyone apparently assumes it just  doesn&#039;t exist.
 Yes ,death is an unwelcome thing but the part of us unseen and unknown to many people is about to make its most significant journey. I am not commenting here to belittle rather to encourage people in these circumstances to open their  minds in respect to that amazing force inside of each of us which is about to make an incredible mysterious  passage.
 Don&#039;t diminish the act of dying to a petty squabble about health care costs and rights. The politicians who use sinister calculations regarding others peoples lives will face a terrible judgment when their time comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not one mention of our eternal souls . I am stunned . The most important possession is completely ignored and everyone apparently assumes it just  doesn&#8217;t exist.<br />
 Yes ,death is an unwelcome thing but the part of us unseen and unknown to many people is about to make its most significant journey. I am not commenting here to belittle rather to encourage people in these circumstances to open their  minds in respect to that amazing force inside of each of us which is about to make an incredible mysterious  passage.<br />
 Don&#8217;t diminish the act of dying to a petty squabble about health care costs and rights. The politicians who use sinister calculations regarding others peoples lives will face a terrible judgment when their time comes.</p>
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