Obama, ACORN, and the SEIU? They Go Way Back
While the future president was making his way up the ladder of Chicago politics, his New Party partners, ACORN and the SEIU, were learning the “intimidation” business. The groups partnered to shake down corporations in the “muscle for money” program:
It’s officially called the “Muscle for Money” program within the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) where it was started, and unofficially by the same name among activists of Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN). … Muscle for Money includes multiple techniques for creating highly aggressive, organized efforts both to pressure businesses and officials to support the activists’ agenda or to discredit and intimidate opponents of their agenda, according to present and former ACORN members. …
U.S. Department of Labor LM-2 financial disclosure forms show over $600,000 in transactions between these same locals SEIU and ACORN operations in recent years. …
AdvertisementSome of the more prominent Muscle for Money targets to date have included the Carlyle Group, Sherwin-Williams, H&R Block, Jackson Hewitt, Liberty Tax and Money Mart, according to Anita Moncrief, a former ACORN employee and now an ACORN 8 member. “The idea is to go to private homes where wives and children are present and stand outside so the family members of a company official could be harassed and subjected to intimidation,” said Moncrief. “Protestors would also go to company functions like banquets where they would be as disruptive as possible.”
ACORN actually had a contract with SEIU to target the Caryle Group, Moncrief said. The most aggressive campaigns directed against this company occurred in the fall of 2007. …
The program’s biggest score came against H&R Block, Moncrief said. The company was targeted beginning in January 2004 when ACORN promised demonstrations by its members in front of H&R Block offices protesting “overpriced tax refund loans” in at least 30 cities. …
ACORN’s so-called “muscle for money” strategy extorts “donations” from targeted government and corporate officials by offering them Mafia-like protection from protests by the group’s own paid thugs, many of them convicted felons. ACORN has also blocked bank mergers until the targeted financial institutions agreed to change their lending policies to ACORN’s satisfaction.
The partnership between the POTUS, SEIU, and ACORN is glued together by this rule from Saul Alinsky:
The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves. The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means.
In other words, anything goes for those hoping to topple the political and economic system of a nation that has created more wealth and eliminated more poverty than any other in the history of mankind. Which is the reason President Obama and his partners at ACORN and SEIU are using bullying tactics to shove ObamaCare down the throats of the citizens of the United States.
We need to take back the Executive and Congress pronto … and then drag these slugs before the bar of justice, and preferably in a state with right-to-work laws.
Well, yes, but do 51% care if informed about such activities?
I was the bright kid in school. I was always picked on and never had any defenders. I was always in fights. This is the savage nature of people as I learned it growing up. It only stopped at age 20, when I grew into my full size and got to be too big for people to want to try to push around. ( I was malnourished as a kid, and so, runty.) I’ve never seen any evidence to the contrary. Never. I’ve intervened for others, but I’ve never seen anyone else take action… or even care.
I’d never heard of SEIU until about 5-6 years ago. At that time, I was temping in offices, and the agency called and offered me an assignment at what was characterized as a “union office.” They told me I’d be filing paperwork and doing some typing, and I accepted the assignment. When I got to the jobsite, it was indeed an office, but they immediately told me there’d been a “change in plans.” Instead of having me do filing, believe it or not they wanted me to work in a boiler room for the day. At the time, it was referendum season in California. This was before the last few referendum votes, where the budgets have been in the tens or even hundreds of millions, arguing back and forth over the initiatives. I forget what the initiative actually did, but I do remember that the issue was the ability of people who didn’t have car insurance to sue other, insured drives, when there was a car accident. If I remember right, some uninsured drivers would get in lots of collisions, knew which lawyers to hire, and would then sue the people they ran into. The feeling was that you’d probably settle out of court, because it would be cheaper.
Anyway, they got me into this room, gave me a script to read, and sat me in front of a phone. The script, just to top things off, had me telling the caller I worked in a law office, and was worried about this proposition. I don’t remember whether the referendum made it harder or easier for these people to sue, but I do know that I opposed the lawyers’, and the SEIU’s position. Anyway, after they’d lied to me originally (it was obvious they’d always intended to have me work the phones, and lied to the temp agency just to get someone down there), and then wanted me to lie to others to solicit money, I’d had enough. I walked out, and haven’t had anything to do with them since.
They’re a famously arrogant and powerful union. They tend to represent janitors, cafeteria workers, maintenance and landscaping people, almost all of them at public institutions. The janitor at your kid’s public school is probably a member. My favorite anecdote from their recent history is this: here in California, we’re in a budget crunch, and we of course can’t cut things like legislator’s salaries (there’s a story in the local news that half of the state legislature gave their aides raises, but that’s another story). Since there are few things we can cut, we’re instead shaving down our school budgets by laying off teachers. Guess what though? We *can’t* lay off janitors at the same time. They’ve got it written into their contract with the city: they get laid off last!
Now they beat people up at political meetings…what’s next, a protection racket?
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Obama’s brownshirts are “Muscle for Money”? Americans, are you paying attention to this creep and his tactics? And are his tactics–intimidating people wanting to state their views–creating the environment where people will openly display weapons at the rallies? I’m concerned about where we are headed with the “Alinsky experiment”…
Obama is the most dangerous kind of socialist, the Fabian socialist. Obama’s incremental Marxism will destroy us all. He’s soothes with lies while he systematically undermines, coerces, and destroys the institutions of commerce and society, he hates, until one day there is only the state and we are all his slaves.
Wake up!
Is the RICO statute still in effect, or what?
The funny thing is that socialism does not have any perspective of development. And they all know that.
So what do they want to achieve? I mean for themselvs. Just looting might be a temporary goal. But in the end live like some Fidel or Kim Il Sung in an impoverished country can’t be a sensible goal, can it?
Manchurian candidate? I’m getting sick of him…..
I accuse Obama and his consorts of being Marxist-loving socialists in “Socialism (of a sort)” http://emmeffemm.com/id172.html .
But they’re even worse than that — as you so clearly reveal. They’re “anything-goes,” THUGGISH Marxist-loving socialists.
An even more interesting riff was seen in Columbus, OH, this weekend, when a “townhall” on health care reform featured Howard Dean.
Said “townhall” was held in the local SEIU meeting hall. SEIU and ACORN carefully “screened” all attendees- who mostly ended up being members of SEIU and ACORN. And all questions were pre-approved, of course.
The few “dissenters” allowed in turned out to be mainly ultra-leftist academics from OSU and local “community activists” who had worked for The One during his Presidential campaign. And their main point of contention was that the “reform” didn’t go far enough- they were demanding the abolishment of any sort of non-government health care, period. (In the name of “fairness”, of course.)
This dog-and-pony show will, I suspect, be the pattern for future “townhalls”- especially because of the way is was favorably covered by local MSM affiliates. (The local radio call-in shows told a different story, mainly from people who were barred from entering.)
In short, the best way to hold a “townhall”, by The One’s standards, is in a situation where your pet legbreakers control the show. Considering where he came from, this shouldn’t surprise anybody.
Welcome to American Politics, Chicago Style.
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these relationships go over the line and I can only describe them as criminal.
I recall hearing a training session at ACORN featuring Obama. He is teaching members how to stage protests, etc. Does anyone have a video, audio, or link to that event?
4. LeighB:
Obama’s brownshirts are “Muscle for Money”? Americans, are you paying attention to this creep and his tactics? And are his tactics–intimidating people wanting to state their views–creating the environment where people will openly display weapons at the rallies? I’m concerned about where we are headed with the “Alinsky experiment”…
I AGREE WITH YOUR VIEW …after one term this will be a very difficult thing to get rid off. it is a cancer. it is like a mafia …it is like a union.
Well written Sammy, as always!
My concern is that like all bullies, SEIU and Acorn will have done far more damage than their numbers would indicate, including to the emotional makeup of traditional America, before someone, some hero rises up and smacks them down.
The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise.
The advertisement for the porcelain Michelle Obama doll is sort of misplaced.
The goons? You mean the self-centered a-holes bringing guns to a presidential event? Its legal, yes…blah, blah, blah…thanks for making the Secret Service’s job that much harder by being distracted with a bunch of gun-toting crazies who have to be watched like a hawk. “Duh…its a right, which means that I should do it all the time. Otherwise its tyrrany.” You have the right to shit your pants too, you idiots. It would actually seem saner to the rest of us if you exercised that right at these events instead. What you people are demonstrating is that the exercise of rights without common sense or concern for others is chaos–you’ve sucked in the whackos who enjoy causing disruptions. That’s going to be your base. Enjoy.
ACORN,SEIU,LARAZA: these constitute the Democrat’s party’s militias.Watch for them to wage a coordinated intimidation campaign against republican voters in the next congressional elections.It’s time for conservatives to organize our own free speech,free elections militia to stop these marxoid thugs from highjacking our nation,and turning it into Cuba in North America.
Note to Moho… You’re wrong yet again buddy. Here are the real goons that the Obama administration has decided to conveniently overlook. I await your explanation as to why the Black Panthers outside a polling place is democracy in action. Anything to get Obama in the White House I guess.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/07/civil-rights-panel-to-push-for-panthers-explanatio/
Please, feel free to use all of your descriptive “racist”, “wingnut”, “neo-con”, “trailer-trash” terminology. Water off a ducks back.
Come again?
Sorry, Geroge S. I sinned. I promise to ignore the trolls for the rest of the thread. I beg forgiveness.
Great post, I didn’t know about the Marxist New Party.
Thinkingperson. Apologies. I didn’t know that you’re condition is a deteriorating one. What you’re saying is that several men with guns are less threatening to the President than a man with a stick who was nowhere near the President. That’s the only thing that makes sense in the context of my comment; and, of course, like everything else you offer here, its just dumb.
Dont even go there Moho.Citizens with guns are a fundamental right as per the Constitution.Its to prevent some folks like communists and marxists from seizing control of the govt.Did you know that a republican form of govt is the preferred govt according to the Constitution?Did you know that State govt can override federal govt powers if need be?No i guess you wouldnt know that would you.Because the fringe element of the Left didnt pay attention to history and dont think.
Theres a reason America has never been invaded,and “those gun toting hillbillies” are the reason.Keep deluding yourself.
Gee, Obama, Acorn and the SEIU involved in a Marxist organization…why am I not surprised?
“Did you know that a republican form of govt is the preferred govt according to the Constitution?Did you know that State govt can override federal govt powers if need be?”
Yes, I did know this. My understanding is that this was done so that slave-holding states could enter into the union without giving up their way of life. And again, I said you have every right to carry a gun in those states that allow it. I also said that you have the right to shit your pants in public. Some people are able to understand when exercising their rights makes sense, others, not so much.
Jeff Duntz:
“…why am I not surprised?”
Because you live in a fantasy world.
8. t.g.:
The funny thing is that socialism does not have any perspective of development. And they all know that.
So what do they want to achieve? I mean for themselvs. Just looting might be a temporary goal. But in the end live like some Fidel or Kim Il Sung in an impoverished country can’t be a sensible goal, can it?
Why not? It’s not as if these people have any ability to think long-term, as proven by the fact that most of them still think Medicare and Social Security are on sound footing and the day of reckoning for those programs is less than a couple of decades away. They see the former leaders of the Soviet Union getting away with 50-75 years worth of looting, at which point the country became so run down the illusion wasn’t sustainable any more, and think that’s a pretty good deal, compared to just making $200-400K (the salaries of the head honchos at the Federal level). The real money’s always been in dictatorship.
The only goons present were those trying to disrupt town hall meeting by shouting down speakers and trying in other ways to intimidate them.
TYPICAL of a Leftist to posit that the U.S. Constitution includes a Right to Bear Feces.
A few years back I got ambushed at a teacher’s conference by some folks from LaRaza. The conversation started amicably enough, but it became heated when I challenged their version of Latin American history. Eventually, one of the participants blew his cork. He pushed a finger in my face and began screaming about reparations for “his” people. He said only one outcome was acceptable, that I admit the crimes of “my” people and pay the penalty. I stood my ground, but the situation nearly came to fisticuffs before it was over. I realized then that reason and logic have no meaning to an ideologue. Their brand of tyranny requires submission to the party line. Nothing else is acceptable.
Have the trolls taken over Pajamas? I have had three comments on different articles moderated OUT, and yet I scroll up a bit in this forum and see that useless idiot moho telling us we can “shit in our pants.”
Hello???? PJ Moderators? WTF?
As for Obama/SEIU/ACORN: Can you say “Tammany Hall?”
These ass-clowns are the same guys, reincarnated, generation after generation.
Moho: are you mentally deficient? Is that your real problem? Who the hell do you think you are, popping up in here and acting like a complete and total moron? Between you, vivo, shadow, deep brain dipshit, and a handful of others, you are showing us how completely incapable of rational thought you are. Since you can’t be reasoned with, I figure I’ll just give you back what you drop in here like cow dung: you suck, to the enth degree. Your hostility is showing as I believe YOU are the one shiting in your pants right now.
I really have had it with this crap in PJ and likely this will be my last post.
PJ: you are losing allies by letting these stupid trolls stomp all over our forum. Get with it or you’re going to end up fizzling out.
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I think amongst themselves they call it “the right to have our brains remain just as they are”.
“My understanding is that this [gun owning] was done so that slave-holding states could enter into the union without giving up their way of life.”
That’s a good one!
Er, the right to bear arms precedes the Civil War.
As a ivy league-latte-sipping-New Yorker, I can tell you I used to think only neanderthals carried guns.
However, after living fifty years I recognize the right to bear arms is essential; not only does it allow people to protect their property but it sends a powerful message to leaders;
DO NOT become imperious rulers because we have the power to unseat you.
I lived in Europe for three years, the citizens in the UK are toothless; literally, just think nationalized dentistry, and realized how exceptional America is. It’s as if I had more freedom and power in my pinkie than most Brits have in total.
This is worth fighting for. May G-d bless and keep America always.
I guess the Black Panthers are on the White House Christmas card list? Who knew that angry men wielding billy clubs outside a polling place on election day was nothing to be alarmed about. Silly ole hysterical me.
Thanks Moho for filling me in on that pertinent information. I must admit I am “dumb” when it comes to the Black Panthers and how they fit into the Obama administration’s plan for HopeNChange. No wonder they were let of scott-free. They were just there helping out the boss.
Note to self…. Black Panthers with clubs to coerce voters are on Obama’s “acceptable” list. Check.
I don’t get it: moho’s comments about us “shitting in our pants” makes it through the moderator, and my comment supporting the article (along with a crabby tirade about moho, et al) gets tossed.
What ev. Buh bye PJ.
HEY PJM:
I agree with “Moogie” above (and I really hope he stays around):
“you are losing allies by letting these stupid trolls stomp all over our forum. Get with it or you’re going to end up fizzling out.”
Many of us figured 0bama and Co. for the Chicago thugs/bullies they have thusly proven themselves to be.
Anyone shocked by this wasn’t paying attention.
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Off-Topic to Moogie:
Don’t let the turd-miners win. I know HoMo is a hostile little dung beetle amongst his bitchy brethren but don’t let that stop you from expressing yourself here! Sometimes it’s good just to take a break from PJM and come back recharged.
Re #35 Barbara: WELL SAID!!
#2 Marc Malone
Your comment strikes me as very deep.
Your diagnosis of the evil in the heart of the human beings is correct.
And the last century of history teaches us that all the subversives forces have used this sad condition of the human beings to support their violent revolutions.
To heal the society from the dangers of totalitarianism we must in fact heal the individuals from the ferocity that nihilism has caused in their minds and hearts.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
On the other hand, moho, mojo, deepsheet brain, whatever – why don’t you move to Europe. You will be just at home there. They already built a socialist nanny states, so there is no really reason for you to propagate this in this grate country of USA. Those gun loving, totting, carrying people are just what is needed to get all those CORN’s and would be panthers in line. wach for next elections. We have seen you with sticks. We remember.
if you spent $30 MILLION a day every single day for 2000 years it would still not equal to obama’s $23.7 TRILLLION in financial bailouts
… the main reasons why people get poorer are because of higher taxes and inflation.
33. Moogie:
Have the trolls taken over Pajamas? I have had three comments on different articles moderated OUT, and yet I scroll up a bit in this forum and see that useless idiot moho telling us we can “shit in our pants.”
Hello???? PJ Moderators? WTF?
don’t STOP READING THE PIECES >>just the comments. the trolls want you to be frustrated and leave. don’t engage them …don’t feed them.
If YOU HAVEN”T watched the video clip here it is again.
here is a short video clip …it highlights how marxism has been using education to spread their ideology in north america
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTmbcyeZ9ic&feature=related
it is all in this short clip ..why trolls keep using the same arguments regardless of what they are shown.
If you do not know the difference between the right to bear arms and the sanity of carrying an AK47 to a public meeting, PTA, City council or Presdential meeting, then you are biger morons than I thought. Dopeyperson has proved again that he can live up to his name. Guns in those places are their subltitute for brains
This is what paying $100,000 for a college education gets you? Maybe they should just print up leftist talking points on glossy cards and sell them in the supermarkets for $5.95. Same result. Much less money.
This was known before the election, but buried by the MSM. Let’s see if voters demands greater scrutiny next time around so they don’t get fooled again.
It’s regrettable, but gatherings of conservatives may need their own security details unless local police are up to quelling the thugs.
If you do not know the difference between the right to bear arms and the sanity of carrying an AK47 to a public meeting, PTA, City council or Presdential meeting, then you are biger morons than I thought.
The Athenians used to go everywhere with their swords, including council meetings, and compared to the average Athenian, you are a sub-retard.
So, in the end, who really cares what you think?
I guess my grumpy tirade DID make it past the moderators. I sent a letter to PJ anyway.
George: the links you keep providing are ones I have been posting in here for months – the Besmenov interviews. They are some of the most enlightening videos I’ve seen in a long time. I also highly recommend, as a couple of nice addendums to the Besmenov series, “The History of Political Correctness” and Evan Sayet’s “Hating What’s Right: How the Modern Liberal Winds up on the Wrong Side of Every Issue.”
I do scroll through the comments – the brightest of these are wonderfully educational. I just get tired of the crap from the trolls. They’re like monkeys at the zoo, throwing their poo at everyone.
Delia: I will hang tough and come back once in awhile.
Ed Wallis: Thanks for the support! I am a she, by the way, who can talk like a trucker when pissed off enough. Pardon the French of my earlier tirade.
Sherab Zangpo: “To heal the society from the dangers of totalitarianism we must in fact heal the individuals from the ferocity that nihilism has caused in their minds and hearts.” – To that I say touche!
Lastly: seriously, check out the link to Tammany Hall and the similarities between old-time corrupt New York are what we are seeing today. It moved to Chicago, and now it has moved to the White House.
This potus and his backers are the most threatening thing that’s ever happened to this country. Destruction from within, by dismantling our Constitution and re-engineering our political structure, is much more damaging than a bomb hitting a city.
SUGGESTION TO ALL REASONABLE PEOPLE HERE:
Send a message to PJM via their “contact us”…I’m starting with this:
* You created “guidelines” to help keep discussions on your website on track and to reduce “trolling”.
* You are having a regular, and inordinate amount of junk-posters who do not contribute to discussions on your website.
* These junk-posters interfere, insult, deflect, distract and divert reasonable discussion.
* This is NOT of benefit to your website.
* It is your choice whether to allow this continual disruption of your website.
* Please consider more active filtering/blocking of certain addresses with demonstrated behavior as described above.
One thing about Harpo…er Moho, he is extremely persuasive and will make many converts with his calm, logical arguments.
Moho #18: “You have the right to shit your pants too, you idiots.”
Moho #24: “…like everything else you offer here, its just dumb.”
Moho #28: “Because you live in a fantasy world.”
AND SPECIAL MENTION AWARD GOES TO:
Moho #27: “Yes, I did know this. My understanding is that this was done [I suppose Harpo means writing the 10th Amendment into the Constitution] so that slave-holding states could enter into the union without giving up their way of life.”
Do re mi mi mi:
It’s 1791
The fun has just begun
Roll me over Yankee soldier
Lay me down and do it again.
From Wiki: “The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution’s principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.”
Any proof (opinions without proof won’t do) that “federalism” was invented in 1791 to accommodate slavery, Harpo?
The great and powerful comic book character has spoken (#45). Please The Scary Shadow, provide references to where I commented that it was ok to bring AK-47′s to a town hall? When you won’t be able to, I’ll accept your sincere and heartfelt apology.
This potus and his backers are the most threatening thing that’s ever happened to this country. Destruction from within, by dismantling our Constitution and re-engineering our political structure, is much more damaging than a bomb hitting a city.
There’s a line from a German poet, “Where the danger lies, there lies the saving power also”.
I have lived in Chicago for years and have always wanted Chicago to be the capital of the US. Why? Because then people would see the government for the cesspool it is and cease to romanticize it (all those nice classical buildings in DC make it easy to forget the kinds of c*cksuckers who work in them). I sense that is happening as people wake up to the fundamental fact that government only exists because it first takes something from its citizens and that while some of those takings are legitimate, others are not. Citizens against Government Waste puts out a good annual list of the latter.
As evidence of this awakening awareness, which I attribute to trying to “Chicagoize” the entire nation’s politics, I submit this piece from today’s Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204683204574354383543314054.html
“Most Americans see their best future in the free enterprise system when (as a March 2009 Pew Research Center poll found) 70% of respondents agree that, “people are better off in a free market economy, even though there may be severe ups and downs from time to time.” There is no evidence that more than a minority of Americans accept the idea that a $17 trillion national debt, greater reliance on government for jobs and health, and hyper-progressive taxation offer the hope they deserve for themselves and their children.”
“In January 2009, the Pew Research Center asked about 2,000 Americans, “Do you think the government does more to help or more to hurt people trying to move up the economic ladder?” Amid the most frightening economic crisis in decades, more Americans still said the government would hurt than the number who thought it would help (50% versus 39%). Independent surveys from roughly the same period found that only one in five Americans believed he or she could trust the government.”
Cue the inevitable cries of how stupid the respondents are.
Great article. I went to work for ACORN in the early 90′s — long story. I had been lucky to experience very principled, left-wing activists who had cut their teeth on European anti-fascism, so I remained pretty naive for longer than I might have.
ACORN cured that. What a bunch of narcissistic, psychopathic thugs. I have never been lied to like that, and I was struck by the absolute differences between the elderly, mostly foreign-born women I’d worked with in New York and Florida, and the American, elite, Sixties version of radicalism that spawned ACORN.
Only then did I understand some of the comments those old ladies from New York used to make — about how the New Left had ruined everything and were ungrateful children who refuse to grow up.
venividivici: “even though there may be severe ups and downs from time to time.”
Those ups and downs are caused by the very people who are backing the move to socialism in this country: the bankers.
The Federal Reserve is a sanctified private national bank that controls the ebb and flow of actual dollars. Is there anything moral or ethical about a banking institution that, despite the word “Federal” is NOT a government entity, that can conduct all of its business behind closed doors, is not accountable to Congress or the White House administration, and is immune to audit from outside accountants?
It is time to dismantle this corrupt institution. They are the reason so many people distrust the free enterprise system.
If all of their schemes and scenarios played out according to their plan, the standard of living for the middle class would be lowered, while the standard of living for the lower class and poverty level would be slightly raised. Meanwhile, those in the clouds of the gods would be completely unaffected.
I don’t even know if it’s possible to correct a system that has become so infiltrated with crooks and corruption. First we need to get the bankers out of government business, then we need to get the government out of OUR business.
How do we do this?
Moho, when union thugs and ACORN thugs start beating up protesters, even once, people want to make it crystal clear that they have zero tolerance for those who would gang up on them and beat them up. Bringing those guns is a way of saying to the thugs, “Fair warning- if you try to gang up on me and attack me, somebody is going to get shot. I won’t even bother attempting to use less lethal means when I’m outnumbered; I’m going straight for the gun, and the only mercy I’ll show is calling an ambulance after the threat has been neutralized.” The fastest way to get thugs to back down is make them think you’ll kill them if they don’t.
45. The Shadow: said
‘If you do not know the difference between the right to bear arms and the sanity of carrying an AK47 to a public meeting, PTA, City council or Presdential meeting, then you are biger morons than I thought.’
Posted elsewhere, but also germane here.
It was not an AK47 as is being reported in many places. It was an AR15. AR15’s require pulling the trigger to fire each bullet and will not operate on automatic. ergo – not an assault rifle. The gentleman was across the street, and not in a meeting with the president by any stretch. Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said armed demonstrators in open-carry states such as Arizona and New Hampshire have little impact on security plans for the president.
“In both cases, the subject was not entering our site or otherwise attempting to,” Donovan said. “They were in a designated public viewing area. The main thing to know is that they would not have been allowed inside with a weapon.”
You might try getting your information from accurate sources.
And, by the way, the gentleman was an African-American to the racist merchants peddling their wares on PJM. However, he identified himself only as an American, which works for me.
Moogie,
You should, if you have not already, check out the site Zero Hedge (www.zerohedge.com). They are doing a lot of ongoing investigation into various aspects of the financial world. The entire theme of the site is straight out of the movie “Fight Club”, with its notion that the financial world has overgrown its usefulness and must be destroyed and rebuilt. There’s a very savvy group over there and I think you’d find a lot to like, if the Fed is one of your concerns (as it should be).
My own personal outlook, formed over the years, is that the global elite’s goal is, as you imply, to bring the US standard of living down, raise up some of the more strategically-important countries at the bottom and, in the end, the world as a whole will look about like Poland today (which is one of the countries right at the median for per capita income on a global basis and is the kind of country that strikes me as not too good, but not too bad a place to live), along with some “no-go zones” scattered around the globe. I do not know whether it is possible to avert this outcome. It seems sort of inevitable that 20% of the population rule over the remaining 80%, unfortunately.
Moogie…as usual, the first person to cry about non-government censorship is a conservative. You people spend so much time whining about everyone else’s obligation to be politically correct to you and in overly dramatic pearl-clutching swooning about how your rights are being trampled, that its really no surprise you’re the laughing stocks of the political discourse. Keep digging your holes, people, we love ya for it.
Moho is a racist, and supports racial violence. Q.E.D.
Commuter as is typical of the wingnuts missed the point – guns do not belong at public meeting. I don’t care if th guy was half asian and half black, it is stupid and dangerous. What a bunch of complete morons!
In fact, the tenth amendment is a restating of the general concept of state’s rights enumerated in the constitution, Article IV, which were not concrete enough for the satisfaction of the states. The Bill of Rights was seen as too unwieldy at the time of the ratification of the constitution, and so the Bill of Rights was put off. It was an effort to codify what was already understood as de facto.
Also, Slavery was at the core of nearly every dispute involving the creation of the constitution
In fact, the original Constitution banned slavery, but Virginia would not accept it;
http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/civil-war-overview/statesrights.html
And:
The framers of the Constitution believed that concessions on slavery were the price for the support of southern delegates for a strong central government. They were convinced that if the Constitution restricted the slave trade, South Carolina and Georgia would refuse to join the Union. But by sidestepping the slavery issue, the framers left the seeds for future conflict. After the convention approved the great compromise, Madison wrote: “It seems now to be pretty well understood that the real difference of interests lies not between the large and small but between the northern and southern states. The institution of slavery and its consequences form the line of discrimination.”
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=293
Of course, its only my opinion that this is considered undisputed historical record. Judging by the fantasies you believe in, as per this website, I’m not surprised your reading of history is equally fantastical.
Beloit:
In fact, the tenth amendment is a restating of the general concept of state’s rights enumerated in the constitution, Article IV, which were not concrete enough for the satisfaction of the states. The Bill of Rights was seen as too unwieldy at the time of the ratification of the constitution, and so the Bill of Rights was put off. It was an effort to codify what was already understood as de facto.
Also, Slavery was at the core of nearly every dispute involving the creation of the constitution
In fact, the original Constitution banned slavery, but Virginia would not accept it;
http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/civil-war-overview/statesrights.html
And:
The framers of the Constitution believed that concessions on slavery were the price for the support of southern delegates for a strong central government. They were convinced that if the Constitution restricted the slave trade, South Carolina and Georgia would refuse to join the Union. But by sidestepping the slavery issue, the framers left the seeds for future conflict. After the convention approved the great compromise, Madison wrote: “It seems now to be pretty well understood that the real difference of interests lies not between the large and small but between the northern and southern states. The institution of slavery and its consequences form the line of discrimination.”
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=293
Of course, its only my opinion that this is considered undisputed historical record. Judging by the fantasies you believe in, as per this website, I’m not surprised your reading of history is equally fantastical.
DON’T ENGAGE THE TROLLS ….there is no WAY you can expect a reasoned debate.
here is a short video clip …it highlights how marxism has been using education to spread their ideology in north america
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTmbcyeZ9ic&feature=related
it is all in this short clip ..why trolls keep using the same arguments regardless of what they are shown.
Bardus veni
Did anyone else notice the sun seemed a little brighter today, the air a little sweeter? It’s almost like some great evil left this earth.
Obama is a scared little school-yard bully who has learned to hide his vicious wolf side by sounding, dressing, and acting like a docile, cuddly, little sheep. However, his rage at his piteous childhood abandonment by his father can never ever be soothed. Unable to control his childhood world, he now seeks to dominate the larger world, rather like many noted tyrants of the past and present. No matter how much power he garners, it will never fill the void within him. His ambition is unquenchable.
Preservation of our freedom depends on destroying his personal and political power. I hope and pray for a conservative surge in the 2010 mid-term congressional elections. I look forward to his defeat in 2012.
God save our republic.
Amazing, the mindless hypocrisy #60.
Obama plants in pseudo townhalls with limited questions.
Leftist websites with blocked bloggers spouting anything right of Marx.
Frauds need not waste their time here. Go back to your sandbox, child.
#60 Mo(re) (W)ho(re):
Moogie…as usual, the first person to cry about non-government censorship is a conservative. …
Actually, no I wasn’t – there were others crying about non-government censorship hundreds of years before I was born – both conservative AND liberal morons – you know, idiots just like you.
You people spend so much time …
“You people?” – Wow, that comes off sounding pretty racist to me.
whining about everyone else’s obligation to be politically correct … Here’s what I think of political correctness: EFF that shite
to you and in overly dramatic pearl-clutching …
I don’t own any pearls
swooning about how your rights are being trampled …
I was neither swooning, getting trampled, nor saying anything about rights – Where do you come up with this crap?,
that its really no surprise you’re the laughing stocks …
are you speaking of me collectively? If so, we are not amused
of the political discourse. Keep digging your holes, people, we love ya for it.
Hey, how about trying out that “honesty” switch you’re supposed to have in your brain? What? It’s broken? Why am I not surprised.
Harvard Yard conservative – From your post one should conclude that you walked through the yard but did not stay long enough to learn anything
Did anyone else notice the sun seemed a little brighter today, the air a little sweeter? It’s almost like some great evil left this earth.
And you think that normal people are going to let people like you run their healthcare?
As Hegel implies with his statement about the owl of Minerva taking wing at dusk, schools of thought reveal their true nature just as they pass away. Leftism is revealing the absolute intellectual and ethical rot that has been its core as it passes away and the masks are withdrawn.
Good riddance to bad trash.
To me the beauty of seeing the Gun Toting beople in Arizna and the lone, as far as we know,there are concealed carry permits in New hampshire but the guy who made it on National TV didn’t have permit to conceal. But the beauty is no matter how underhanded the SEUI and ACORN and other Obama henchmen are these two Townhalls were not blemished by thugs beating people in the streets. It just shows that they may be ruthless but they apparently don’t want to challenge people who are armed, which really just makes them cowards.
Woman yells ‘Heil Hitler’ to Jewish man praising Israel’s national health care system.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/18/hitler-israel/
“Conservatives have strenuously denied that there is any anti-Semitism on display by anti-health reform protesters at town hall meetings nationwide — despite all the evidence to the contrary. Last week, Las Vegas radio station KDWN AM720 sponsored a “contentious” town hall, emceed by conservative morning show host Heidi Harris. At the event, local news stations were interviewing an Israeli man who was praising the “fantastic” “national health care” in Israel. During his remarks, a woman yelled out, “Heil Hitler!” The man stopped, became visibly upset, and exclaimed, “Did you hear this? She say to a Jew, ‘Heil Hitler’! Hear? I’m a Jew! You’re telling me, ‘Heil Hitler’? Shame of you!” After he angrily confronts her, the woman mocks him by making a crying sound to imply he is a whining baby.
Now, was this woman actually yelling “Heil Hitler!” as an anti-Semitic taunt? Most likely no, she was not.
Now, does she have the right to say something like that? Of course she does!
But intent and free speech aside, the fact remains that here is this ignorant, ugly, hateful woman screaming at someone who is simply trying to share his viewpoint.
Furthermore, she is either a) exposing her sheer stupid ignorance of how awful it is to scream “Heil Hitler” at a Jew, or b) she is exposing an undercurrent of vile, irrational hatred that is so ghastly that it would use Nazi rhetoric to intimidate a Jew into silence.
I would bet that it’s probably a little of both.
Either way, this woman has exposed something very sick and rotten in the Conservative movement.
The press may not remember this incident. Perhaps most Americans will not remember this. But doubtless, American Jews will not forget this.
Remember, by allowing these ignorant people to be the face and the voice of the conservative Republican movement, you are tattooing yourselves with every vile and ugly thing they do and say. When America sees the town hall meetings, they see the GOP. When they see people bringing loaded guns to public forums, they see the GOP. When they see people screaming “keep your government hands of my Medicare!”, they see the GOP. And when they see hateful people screaming “Heil Hitler” at Jews, they see the GOP.
The GOP has embraced hate, and has completely lost control. It is now led by every nutjob who gets in front of a microphone. Its voice is now the voice of the angry mob. Its mind is now the mind of the most anti-intellectual and uninformed citizens in this country.
While the GOP celebrates its tiny victories at town hall meetings, the other 77% of Americans are withdrawing in disgust at what they are daily seeing on their televisions: a bunch of Klansmen without robes threatening revolt against the government and calling anyone who disagrees with them Nazis and Communists.
Having lost the intellectual debate, they shout down those they cannot argue with and have picked up guns in an effort to intimidate those who they could not convince through reasoned discourse.
This is your party. Either step in, wrest it away from the nutcases and restore it to the inclusive big tent that Regan envisioned, or watch it implode upon itself and die as the last remaining moderates run screaming from everything you now represent.
Moogie:
Thanks for the Evan Sayet link. First time I’ve seen it. Wonderful stuff!
72. venividivici:
And you think that normal people are going to let people like you run their healthcare?
I certainly hope not. I don’t know the first thing about running healthcare. I do hope they’ll consider me to be their latex salesman though.
Dr. Mercola: Do Drug Companies Secretly Favor a World Flu Pandemic?
http://WWW.MERCOLA.COM
And not only are vaccines ineffective in preventing flu in your children, they are equally useless for adults, including the elderly.
Most flu vaccines contain dangerous levels of mercury in the form of thimerosal, a deadly preservative that is 50 times more toxic than regular mercury.[10] If taken in high enough doses, it can result in long-term immune, sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioral dysfunctions.
Disorders associated with mercury poisoning include autism, attention deficit disorder, multiple sclerosis, and speech and language deficiencies.
The Institute of Medicine has warned that infants, children, and pregnant women should not be injected with thimerosal, and yet the majority of flu shots contain 25 micrograms of it.
It has been calculated that, by age two, American children have received 237 micrograms of mercury from vaccines alone, which far exceeds the current EPA “safe” level of 0.1 mcg/kg per day.
But that’s not all. Other toxic substances found in various flu vaccines include:
Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)
Neomycin and streptomycin (antibiotics)
Resin and gelatin – known to cause allergic reactions
Formaldehyde – a known cancer causing agent
Aluminum — a neurotoxin linked to Alzheimer’s disease
Polysorbate 80 (Tween80™) – which can cause severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis
Phenol (carbolic acid)
Triton X100 (detergent)
Egg proteins (including avian viruses)
Novartis, another Big Pharma player, also announced on June 12 that it, too, has produced a swine flu vaccine using cell-based technology and the adjuvant MF59?.
The MF59? adjuvant is oil based and contains Tween80, Span85, and squalene. In studies of oil-based adjuvants in rats[13] , the animals were rendered crippled and paralyzed.
Squalene brought on severe arthritis symptoms in rats, and studies in humans given from 10 to 20 ppb (parts per billion) of squalene showed severe immune system impact and development of autoimmune disorders.[14]
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/28/What-are-the-Dangers-of-Mandatory-Swine-Flu-Vaccination.aspx
The flu shots are clearly INTENDED to permanently and severely damage our health and cause countless deaths.
Ooh! Ooh! Does that mean that I get to scrape the bottom of the left-wing swamp and cherry pick some deranged and vile left-wing nutcase and then conclude that that one person “has exposed something very sick and rotten in the Liberal movement”?
/Bless me Father, for I have sinned. But the troll deserved it…
I understand the sense of revulsion at the sight and stench of the dialated troll sphincters that infest PJM.It is just a sad example of small minds furiously engaged in an concupiscent act of mental onanism.Their behavior is a manifestation of a psychosis rooted deep down in their sweaty little collectivist subconscious.By replying to their inane post’s you only feed their sickness.If you find their behavior to be onerous,by all means notify the moderators of such childish behavior.If the moderators continue to condone such crass and boorish examples like “yes we did” and “moho” among others,there are many other conservative blogs to peruse.
77. I wouldn’t suggest that either the government or big Pharma is deliberately trying to poison us. I do believe, however, that they don’t particularly care about the side effects of their vaccines or even how effective the vaccines are. They just want to make money and gain power.
Moho, why don’t guns belong at public forums known to be frequented by thugs? Don’t people have a right to defend themselves against people who are known to jump vocal protesters? Fact is that you can’t make any legal or ethical argument as to why these protesters should leave their guns at home without judging them by a standard that they don’t consider valid.
MILITARY ENFORCED VACCINATIONS
http://WWW.WORLDNETDAILY.COM
Forced vaccines: Ready for yours?
Janet Porter
August 18, 2009
The CDC reported that the United States has the “largest number” of H1N1 cases, noting, “however, most people who have become ill have recovered without requiring medical
treatment.”
In Monday’s Financial Times, Dr Richard Halvorsen, author of “The Truth About Vaccines,” said: “… in most cases this is a mild virus which needs a few days in bed. I’d question why we need a vaccine at all.”
Austrian investigative reporter Jane Burgermeister, on Wednesday’s Faith2Action radio program, said France is already responding to the Pandemic “Level 6″ complete with military-enforced mandatory vaccinations. She added, “They are going to be mandatory throughout Europe.” But that’s not all.
Burgermeister reported:
According to the International Health Regulations of 2005, which has been incorporated into legislation also in The International Partnership on Avian Influenza of 2005 of the USA … the WHO and the U.N. become the controlling agencies of the U.S. in the event of a declared Level 6 Pandemic, and are entitled to control of this country under martial law … under the pretext of fighting a pandemic emergency.
Refusing a WHO-mandated vaccination has been criminalized; police can therefore use deadly force against “criminal suspects” refusing these vaccines.
Perhaps this is a reason why the Pentagon is preparing to “make troops available,” as Fox News reported, to work with FEMA. Fisher said Congress passed post 9/11 regulations, over the objections of the governors, granting the federal government the authority deploy the National Guard.
Last week, I reported about the ads the Army and National Guard are posting for “Internment/Resettlement Specialists” for “confinement,” “control,” “custody,” “supervision” and “counseling individual prisoners in rehabilitative programs.”
Just who are these high school graduates (they seek to hire) going to supervise and control in resettlement and internment camps?
Check out this YouTube video from a guy who spotted a “Mass Evacuation Bus.”
Who gets put on one of these huge government buses without windows?
Maybe it’s those who refuse to take the potentially paralyzing swine flu vaccination.
Check out the “sessions” at an “International Swine Flu Conference
” that is being held at the Hyatt Regency Washington on Capitol Hill Aug. 19-20.
You’d expect a conference like that to have some sessions like “Frequent Hand Washing,” but according to Burgermeister, they’ll be discussing such things as:
* “Unwillingness to follow government orders”
* “Control and diffuse social unrest and public disorder”
* “Protect police forces from falling ill and from being hurt in civil disturbances” and
* “Manage a surge in crime and meet routine requests at the same time.”
The promotional brochure also lists, “Mass fatality management planning.” (And that’s probably just from the vaccinations.) Somebody needs to go to that meeting tomorrow to see what else they’re saying.
Before they line up your children to give them a swine flu vaccination in school without telling you, find out more, and speak out. Your life and your freedom may depend on it.
Then, attend our web conference tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern – sign up at http://www.f2a.org.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107228
The flu shots contain health destroying toxic ingredients which is why the military will be used to force people to take the deadly flu shots. And the flu drug companies CANNOT BE SUED BY VICTIMS FOR DISABILITY AND/OR DEATH AS A RESULT OF THE HORRIFYING FLU SHOTS.
Hey, MOOGIE!
I found a photo of Moho:
http://spjall.vaktin.is/files/retarted.jpg
I certainly hope not. I don’t know the first thing about running healthcare. I do hope they’ll consider me to be their latex salesman though.
You better change your name to Art Van DeLay then.
Clearly, what I mean is that you, regardless of whatever professional credentials you may or may not have, are a douchebag, like most on the Left. It’s inconceivable that anyone adhering to your ideology could fairly ration out scarce resources.
“guns do not belong at public meeting”
-Nor do vicious, left-wing, nut-job thugs.
leaked SNL first-draft script.
INT. – DAY – OVAL OFFICE
George Soros, Bill Ayers, and Rahm Emmanuel are sitting around the desk in the oval office. George is sitting in the president’s chair.
George Soros: Damn it Bill, you said he was the one!
Bill Ayers: No, I said he could be the one. Rahm said he was the one.
Rahm Emmanuel: Wait a minute now Bill, I said nothing of the sort!
Bill Ayers: You most certainly did!
Rahm Emmanuel: Did not.
Bill Ayers: Did to.
Rahm Emmanuel: Did not.
Bill Ayers: Did to.
George slams his fist on the desk.
George Soros: Would you two just knock it off! I’ve spent way too much money on this thing to have you two flush it down the toilet. The people are on to us.
Suddenly a closet door opens in the Oval Office. Joe Biden sticks his head out.
Joe Biden: (sheepishly) Can I come out now?
George Soros, Bill Ayers and Rahm Emmanuel: (together) NOOOO!
Joe Biden: Okay, okay, I was just asking.
Joe closes the closet door.
George Soros: The people don’t trust Barack anymore. This could be a problem.
Bill Ayers: (pulls a joint out of his pocket) When the Weathermen had a problem, we got lit. It cleared our heads so we could think straight.
Rahm Emmanuel: Yeah, and we all know how well that turned out.
Bill Ayers: What’s that supposed to mean?
Rahm Emmanuel: Nothing.
Bill Ayers: That wasn’t nothing.
Rahm Emmanuel: Was to.
Bill Ayers: Was not.
Rahm Emmanuel: Was to.
Bill Ayers: Was not.
George slams his fist on the desk.
George Soros: Enough! We’re dropping in the polls, and you guys promised me the people would follow our revolution like sheep.
Suddenly a closet door opens in the Oval Office. Joe Biden sticks his head out.
Joe Biden: (sheepishly) Could I have something to eat?
George Soros, Bill Ayers and Rahm Emmanuel: (together) NOOOO!
Joe Biden: Okay, okay, I was just asking.
Joe closes the closet door.
George Soros: The people know we’re communists. They’re laughing at us. What the hell are we going to do?
Bill Ayers: We could order some pizza. That would hit the spot.
Rahm Emmanuel: Yeah, pizza. I could go for a slice right now.
Bill Ayers: When the Weathermen were hungry, we ordered pizza. Cheese pizza.
Rahm Emmanuel: Pepperoni.
Bill Ayers: Cheese.
Rahm Emmanuel: Pepperoni.
Bill Ayers: Cheese.
George slams his fist on the desk.
George Soros: Would you two just stop it! I’ve spent enough money already. I’m not paying for pizza.
Suddenly the door to the Oval Office opens. It’s Barack. He enters.
Barack Obama: Okay, ACORN and the SEIU are in. You guys figure out any other ways to silence the opposition to the Health Care Takeover, um, Reform?
George Soros: Uh, we’re pretty close.
Rahm Emmanuel: Oh yeah, close.
Bill Ayers: (putting the joint back into his pocket) Real close.
George Soros: We were just going to order up a pizza.
Rahm Emmanuel: Any preference?
Suddenly a closet door opens in the Oval Office. Joe Biden sticks his head out.
Joe Biden: (sheepishly) Hawaiian?
Cut.
@62
“guns do not belong at public meeting.”
Working your way down the bill of rights?
Democrats have already argued that Freedom of Speech, Assembling Peacably, and Petitioning the Government is un-American, thuggish, and terrorism when performed by conservatives.
Now you’re saying the Right to Bear Arms is out.
I probably wouldn’t mind giving soldiers a place to crash for the night… but the choice should be mine, not yours.
6. Snake Eater:
“He’s soothes with lies while he systematically undermines, coerces, and destroys the institutions of commerce and society, he hates, until one day there is only the state and we are all his slaves.
Wake up!”
This sounds like Bush & Cheney!
That’s why we are where we are now.
10. Mike Murray:
“But they’re even worse than that — as you so clearly reveal. They’re “anything-goes,” THUGGISH Marxist-loving socialists.”
White supremacists? Gun-carrying ‘citizens’?
33. Moogie:
“Have the trolls taken over Pajamas? I have had three comments on different articles moderated OUT,”
They are called pjm moderators. Ask them why.
39. Delia:
“Sometimes it’s good just to take a break from PJM and come back recharged.”
Good advice.
44. George S.:
33. Moogie:
“why trolls keep using the same arguments regardless of what they are shown.”
And how’s that different from you Rulers of the World?
45. The Shadow:
“Guns in those places are their subltitute (sic) for brains”
Psychiatrists also say it’s a penis substitution.
50. Moogie:
“I guess my grumpy tirade DID make it past the moderators. I sent a letter to PJ anyway.”
Good job!
51. Ed Wallis:
“* These junk-posters interfere, insult, deflect, distract and divert reasonable discussion.”
Be careful! This includes YOU!
80. myth buster:
“Moho, why don’t guns belong at public forums known to be frequented by thugs? Don’t people have a right to defend themselves against people who are known to jump vocal protesters?”
Yes, man, start shooting your way to ‘freedom’.
Are you insane?
Next time we all go to DC and start shooting all those ‘creepy’ congressmen and senators . . . Oh, and the Supremes . . . And don’t forget the other ones . . .
79. McBride:
well put. …that was the good description of their good side.
“You people?” – Wow, that comes off sounding pretty racist to me.
Because you’re stupid.
62. The Shadow: said
‘Commuter as is typical of the wingnuts missed the point– guns do not belong at public meeting.’
The point was that you were dispensing falsehoods because you believed what someone said without sourcing it.
Man up and say, ‘Ya, I was wrong. Should have dug a little deeper before tossing that out.’, and be done with it.
Oh poopypants! I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I?
Apparently there are 2 sides to the “goon” story. Imagine that! The following is from a Loony Left publication. I can’t think of a more appropriate place to post it than here, a Loony Right publication. Enjoy! (In this case, I believe the Loony Left.
http://www.counterpunch.com/fitz08172009.html
PS – Actually, Counterpunch always has a few sane articles; Pajamas has virtually none.
Flail blindly,indeed,helplessly away little trolls.Please continue to put your infinitely small,worm like intellects on full display for PJM’s comedic pleasure and the resulting peals of our derisive laughter.Please continue on in the vein of your inane,low brow arguments,insults and slander.Please continue with the collective projection of your feelings of grossly inadequte mental and physical capabilities,intertwined with your rage and phallus envy,on the mentally and morally superior citizens of PJM.With every post you rise to higher levels of idiocy,yes even stupidity.Think if you can,without shame,of the money your poor disappointed parents so obviously wasted on your “education”.If you come here,with the delusion that your feeble attempts at sparring with your betters,will raise your I.Q.’s into the middle range of double digits,you are sadly,sadly,mistaken.Unless you first eschew your “progressive” neo communist group think, you will never rise above the level of clinical morons.
Mofo:
That’s what I call a snappy comeback. Well thought out, intelligently presented, offering an air of both pomposity and good breeding. Well done, good man, well done.
Brilliant, really. Ingenious, actually. Quite astute and profound. Thank you for the “heads up” about my intellect, really. I quite hadn’t noticed how stupid I am. In fact, no one has ever actually called me “stupid” before. “Dorky” perhaps. “Clumsy” once or twice. And to my credit, I have been called “Beautiful” quite a bit. Ah, yes those were the days ….
But I digress, as oft times happens when I venture down those old lanes of yesteryear, recalling the happy times – punting on the Themes, playing croquet with the Ashbys on the sweeping green lawn of their summer manse in the Bronx.
Well, Poopypants, I must needs depart for finer pastures and loftier ideals. Ta ta, good fellow.
*A special note to the dear, dear “bibio44″ – Thank you ever so much for your invaluable contribution to the dialogue. May all that is good and lovely in this world fill your cup to overflowing with goodness and loveliness and butterflies and daisies and orangutans. Do enjoy your tenure at Counterpunch, and please, let not the screen door make contact with your backside as you exit gracelessly.
McBride: You nearly took the very words out of my mouth. Sometimes trolls can be fun to play with, eh? I do ever so laughing at their expense, as they are such silly people.
As a side note, I watched “Holy Grail” recently, wherein the dialect of Monty Python, et al, doth influenceth that which I have writ.
Time for a glass of wine.
People remember the story about Alinsky recommending the radical students not to demonstrate against George HW Bush in Texas in the late 60′s. Instead he told them to dress up like KKK members and cheer for GHW instead — to GHW’s embarrassment. The people showing up with weapons at Obama Rallies — is it possible they are ACORN or SEIU members? Just thinking out loud. Certainly could be right out of the ALinsky/Chicago Thug Playbook!
This President is running a little league game against the majors. He is so experience it is appalling. But now he has his family taken care of let’s just stick to the little guy. An uneducated voter with a press that refused to investigate has caused this democracy to slowly wash away. Time for the Democrats to disappear and take back America.
Ok. Who broke the troll? Fess up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEr5tavTTUg&feature=related
In fact, no one has ever actually called me “stupid” before.
You’ve told some doozies here, but this one is just too much.
What an excellent article and comments:)
However, we somehow have to make it more public how Soros is pulling the strings and obama is a temp. This is going to get deep. They are determined to implement the Open Society Institute agenda and before we know it our military will be wearing blue helmets.
I wish someone would investigate how the Hayden crew found Obama at Occidental, passed him to Ayers and started this disaster.
TO REASONABLE READERS HERE: PLEASE SENT PJM A NOTE UNDER “contact us” ON THEIR HOME PAGE…something like this -
Do you want THOUGHTFUL (and sometimes a little fun) banter and intelligent DISCUSSION on your site, or do you wish to lose participants/visitors?
You seem to confuse you INDIFFERENCE with “freedom of speech.”
Your PROFOUND INACTION allows a couple of morons to FUNDAMENTALLY DISRUPT decent discussions. This is NEGLIGENCE ON YOUR PART, *N*O*T* “live and let live” in action.
By the way, aside from the “shit in pants” post from “moho” which you DID remove, there were other “circle jerk” remarks made in response to my thread-posts about disruptive trolls.
Why do *I* have to bring this to your attention?! I am NOT going to be your Ombudsman…it’s YOUR website.
WHEN YOU DO LITTLE TO NOTHING AGAINST *T*H*E*M*, YOU DO GREAT HARM TO *U*S*…AND, IN THE END, TO YOURSELVES.
BAN EACH OF THE DAMNED TROLLS AND BE MORE ACTIVE IN WEEDING THEM OUT REGULARLY…lest your site become a haven for Astroturfed trolls only!
101. Ed Wallis:
PJM relies on advertising dollars and our hits count as much as yours, bubba. Cursed free market!
Griff1123 @96
Good point. Might apply here as well.
100 dwall:
Muckety
Discover the Networks
Moho: This will be my last communique with you, so enjoy it: The desire of the shadow government/shadow party to usurp our freedom will affect you, your friends and your loved ones – no matter what political or social ideology you hold. Do you understand this? Unless you are one of the rare people earning in the hundreds of millions each year, your standard of living will change, but not necessarily for the better.
Do you understand how collectivism works? This isn’t some glorified Robin Hood scheme they are working on. Have you even bothered to check out the many links people leave in here? Educate yourself and take off the blinders, dear, or you will get left in the dust just like the rest of us.
Ultimately what they want is that those top tier earners will remain unscathed by the government take-over of our health care, energy, industry, and banks. It won’t affect their standard of living, and in fact, it will serve to increase their coffers.
Those of us in the middle to lower classes, however, WILL find our standard of living to be greatly reduced. The cost of big government is big taxes, and when they say they won’t ding the middle class, they are outright lying. They don’t WANT a middle class: they want two classes only – their untouchable class, and the lower class who will remain dependent on the untouchable class for their needs.
Just remember: A government big enough to give you everything you need, is powerful enough to take away everything you have. – Thomas Jefferson
I really do hope you wake up before it’s too late.
P.S. Don’t bother writing a response to this comment, as I won’t read it.
100. dwall:
However, we somehow have to make it more public how Soros is pulling the strings and obama is a temp.
Absolutely. Conservatives should be shouting this from the rooftops. Or at the very least, standing on street corners holding signs that spread the message. It is time that America saw conservative ideas in action.
The History of Radical Socialism —> Marxism .
“You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”*
* Adrian Rogers, 1931-2005
The Radical Socialist —-> Marxist Gold is to make things better by always making them far worst in the name of Equal Justice ,
A loaf of Bread to a man who has baskets of Bread and Cabinets full is meaningless but a thin slice of Bread to a man than has not eaten in a week is God given and he beholds he giver as his Savior .
Never knowing his Earthy Savior made him Hungry and in deep need for life its self .
State Controlled health is no different . The Carbon Credit tax would be far worse …. Too many Green Pigs at the money Troff .
Just look at the Post Office ,Energy ? AMTRAC , Medicare and Medicad , Fanny and Freedy and the VA .
It has been reported by a PHD Professor from England at the Kennedy Center at Harvard that 22 to 30 % of all Health care is a fraud and a Felony …. We are talking well over a ”Trillion dollars “‘ or more !
Hence we have how Socialism ———> Marxist was born in the name of equal Justice . The Lie of all Lies ever .
Yet they always turn Wonderful Forrest into a deserts. Very Productive Farmland and Orchards into dust bowls .
Pastures of Green Grass with fatten Animals into a starvation camps . Where those left alive grub for roots .
We are seeing far leftist Green Addicts trying Stop and completely destroy all of our ”current ” proven Energy needs for a word called ‘Alternatives” yet there has not been one to date no matter how expensive that works for more than 1.4 % of our Energy needs .
This is about Socialist Government Control not energy in the name of Green . Since there has not been one Green Job to date since it was announced 7 months ago .
We have seen Individualism , Democracy and Freedoms beaten down by the none thinking Collectivism with complete Control by a very few in the shadows who all have much .
We have seem Radial Socialist —-> Marxist own everything and produce nothing but fear, war ,death, destruction Millions in Poverty and life long hunger .
We have seen Socialist , ACORN Unions , SEIU , The State controlled Media Lie , demand , call us names , Mock , Castigate , honorable Christian and good conservative average American people .
As well as Curst God and Us as well while praising em-oral bad behavior , our Enemies , Terrorist rights ? Thugs –>bad Unions , evil Community Org. SEIU , The Color of CHANGE , George Soros , ACORN , The Black Panthers , all nothing but Liars .
We have seen them Praise the NT Times, CNN , PBS ,,NBC under Obama and his Chicago Thugs that strongly compared to Pravada under Stalin and the KGB .
We have seen very Productive Plants turned into darken closed doors .
We have seen bright Eyes Ambitious very smart Children never smile again and turned into wards of the State or working for the state to survive .
We have seen those that spoke against their Evil Tyranny Imprisoned , murdered or simply disappear or their emails checked by this white house without a word coming from the ACLU or Human rights people .
We have seen very Successful highly skilled hard working people and Families , mocked , treated badly , shammed , called Greedy Capitalist while those calling them names did little work and demanded being cared for by the state .
They shouted that Capitalist didn’t pay enough in Taxes when they themselves paid no or if any taxes at all .
The State always wanted to own those Socialist made to order radicals since they were nothing more than puppets of their State until they breathe no more .
We have seen this long dark circle of Socialism and then Marxism never changing only to raise it ugly head here in America .
In the name of our brave Fore Fathers and God we much stand Tall .
Our Fore Fathers repeatedly warned us said that We would Face other Lord George’s and our leaders in Government wanting too much power … Just not here and now by our own Media President and this Congress .
#63 and #64
Does Moho repeat tainted “evidence”? Yes. His twice-told “evidence” is from an organization that preserves Civil War battlefields, which I support. However, it must be noted that the head of that organization is not a historian, is not an expert on the Constitution, and IS a librul Dem politician from way back.
“O. James Lighthizer (born March 20, 1946) is an American politician and a Democrat who served as County Executive of Anne Arundel County, Maryland, from 1982-1990.
Prior to serving as County Executive, Lighthizer was a member of the Maryland House of Delegates from 1979-1982.
After his term ended, Lighthizer served as the Secretary of Transportation to Governor William Donald Schaefer form 1991-1995. Since leaving state service, Lighthizer has served as the President of the Civil War Preservation Trust since 1999.
In December 2004, Lighthizer was appointed by Governor Bob Ehrlich to co-chair the Task Force on Traffic Capacity Across the Chesapeake Bay.
Moho’s other “proof” is from A digital textbook publisher. Like other text book publishers it’s material is of the politically correct variety. For example they publish this: “One of history’s most important tasks is to identify myths and misconceptions and correct them. This is especially important in the study of the Indian peoples of North America.”
But History is mostly the study of texts. The Indian peoples of North America left no texts in the usual sense of the word. Almost all we know of them prior to the arrival of Europeans is archaeological and anthropological conjecture (no offense to those in those businesses).
I ask for evidence and receive opinions. As usual Moho is off base. Feed the trolls? No, kick their butts.
#101
“Keep you friends close, and your enemies even closer.” Let the trolls have their say. They only hurt their cause IMO.
Dear Fred #109,
What you say sounds nice until the quantity/volume becomes – if not “overwhelming” – tedious.
Think about the month prior to last year’s Presidential election. Did you notice just how much of a “traffic jam” there was from trolls on conservative websites…and what a pain it was trying to maneuver it to keep a thread moving?
“They only hurt their cause”…not so (if only it was limited to that)…and that’s my point: it inordinately congests “our” dialogue.
110. Ed Wallis:
Go to other blog websites, they are a lot worse than here, and the congestion is caused by ignorant conservatives coming out of the woodwork.
First, I wish to thank Sammy for his insightful article.
I first came into contact with the “grandparent” of the SEIU while a member of the chorus of the Lyric Opera of Chicago. We had received a letter “ordering” us to vote for George McGovern, in 1972. Taking umbrage, I started wearing a 1/2″ “Nixon Now” button to rehearsals (I had already seen huge McGovern buttons worn by other chorus members).
Over the next two weeks, I was attacked by union thugs twice, and ordered to take the button off by the Chorusmaster. I asked him if the DEMs had to take off their buttons, and he said that wasn’t his job to harass people with legitimate political views. I asked him if my view was legitimate, and he repeated that it wasn’t his job. He merely repeated his order to take off the button.
The union thugs started appearing at my house, and I started to fear for my family.
Finally, I was called into the office of the General Manager, and she kindly asked me to remove the button. She said that I had a future in opera, and if I didn’t remove the button, I would have to be discharged. I did so.
When I came down for rehearsal, there were two banners on the wall extolling the campaign of George McGovern. People were laughing at me.
I know about the SEIU …
ED: I agree with you completely about the troll issue here at PJM.
Stephen
“George Bush’s grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. ”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
Does that mean that the Bush and the Nazi Party “go way back”?
Just curious.
Ronald Reagan was president of a union.
I agree with Fred (#109)! Is there anything better than watching a liberal call everyone a racist and a moron etc. and then start their post off with “you people”? LOL! I derive so much satisfaction from reading their inane posts. I have to admit that I am a bit curious as to how they get through an average day when it seems they need government intervention in all areas of their existence.
The american people have a very negative reaction toward unions. It could have something to do with all the thuggery they have seen from unions on TV over the years.
Does anyone know who runs the unions in 21st Century America? We all know about their seedy past with the mafia or communist organizations.
Why hasn’t there been any mention of impeaching Obama? The shenanigans of Bill Clinton were so harmless compared with Obama’s activities.
An open CHALLENGE to all the loyal Obamanation worshipers who post on here in his defense. I notice that in doing so not ONE of you attempts to challenge the FACT that all those documents are HIDDEN. So take the list of documents that he is HIDING and give us a point by point explanation why each one is being HIDDEN or alternatively show WHERE that information is AVAILABLE for scrutiny. Only when you have done that can you then throw out your wild accusations of conspiracy nut against anyone. The ones who ARE CONSPIRING are the ones who are HIDING the documents not those merely asking to see them and only a blind worshiper would have the reverse morality to see it any other way. Lest see what you are made of.
Here apart from his Vault Birth Certificate e just some but my no means ALL of the OTHER documents and information the Obamanation is HIDING.
There is a lifetime of “missing” documentation — but it must a coincidence — it has to be a coincidence — just keep telling yourself, “it’s a coincidence.”
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration — Released — Probable counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released and vigorously defended
Passport records — Not released and official government passport files scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan — now Obama’s terrorism and intelligence czar
Just a coincidence?
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released (unless you count a one-pager from his personal physician saying Obama’s healthy)
Just a coincidence?
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes — None
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Almost 50 years old and there’s no paper trail — coincidence, Would you hire someone with this curriculum vitae? The man is completely undocumented. You don’t know anything about Obama — operative word, KNOW. None of us really do because he and his life are undocumented — an impossible coincidence — and Obama fiercely defends the release of what documentation is available.
Some of us believe that something isn’t on the level and that we are entitled as United States citizens to ask any damned politician who he is, what his politics are, what his agenda is, where he came from and who sent him.
You do know Obama could end all of this with a single phone call — why doesn’t he press the button?
118. Pragmatist:
How can there be a paper trail on your President Obama since he’s an alien from outer space?
Vivo we KNOW you are a blind worshiper and completely unable to answer any of the questions I asked no need to remind us how gullible and stupid you are, your posts tell us all we need to know about you and your lack of intellectual capacity.
Stephen, I admire your stand at the Lyric. How those events apply to letting the trolls have their say is not just a non sequitur, it is an argument in my favor. You were prevented from freedom of choice, some want to prevent the trolls and those who respond to them from free choice. See what I mean?
Nice work, Prag.
How can there be a paper trail on your President Obama since he’s an alien from outer space?
Even a space alien would have a record of its parents’ divorce.
I think Obama is a hologram, cleverly generated by the far-left wizards at Pixar.
122. Blarty Blarckleblart:
Now you’re talking!
See there you go ‘vivo’ and ‘blarty’ backscratching each other and completely CLUELESS as usual. Neither of them is able or indeed what is morse sad for them INTERESTED in explaining or excusing WHY the Obamanation is HIDING so much information about himself. They dont want to know because they are blind, clueless,hysterical and emotional and just LURVE the Obamanation. How PATHETIC they are and whats more pathetic is they think they are so superior.
‘vivo’ and ‘blarty’ scratching each others backs and just proving what blind Obamanation worshiping ‘libtards’ they both are. They think they are being smart but they are just being infantile and pathetic.
The Obamanation and his supporters claim he is an intellectual with a brilliant mind. But when we ask them to prove it by letting us read his college papers and see his grades they say we are CONSPIRACY NUTS.
The Obamanation and his supporters claim he is now and always has been a Christian . But when we show PROOF that he went to school as a MUSLIM in Indonesia and studied Muslim ONLY subjects thus proving that he was Muslim they say we are CONSPIRACY NUTS.
The Obamanation and his supporters claim he just happened to sometimes be in the same room as Domestic Terrorists and Mohammedan Terrorists and Criminals. But when we tell them that literary analysis shows that maybe one of them Ghost wrote one of his books and the criminal helped him buy his house they say we are CONSPIRACY NUTS.
The Obamanation and his supporters freely admit he had a Passport (Pakistan trip 1981) and a Driving License and applied for College admission and the Illinois Bar all long BEFORE the 2007 issue of the COLB. But when we ask them to produce the Birth Certificate he MUST have used to do all that they say we are CONSPIRACY NUTS. Especially when we ask WHY the 2007 COLB was required when we KNOW he had a Birth Certificate already and WHY all those documents are HIDDEN could it be that they contain information from his REAL Birth Certificate that he desperately wants to hide.If not WHY are they HIDDEN.
The Obamanation and his supporters are constantly being caught BLATANTLY LYING. But when we point that out they say we are CONSPIRACY NUTS and whats more RACISTS. But when the President and his buddy PROVE themselves to be real RACISTS (GATESGATE) the same people are silent WHY?
The Obamanation makes constant errors in Geography, History and finance and tells blatant bare faced lies and the MSM NEVER ever pulls him up on it but if Bush did the same we would never hear the end of it WHY???
Even the Obamanations Primary School records are being HIDDEN . But when we ask to see them we are called CONSPIRACY NUTS.
So who are the REAL CONSPIRACY NUTS those asking for information or those HIDING information or have we really entered a parallel universe where black is white, good is bad, ‘libtards’ are honest and people who HIDE things are open and honest and people who merely ask to see them are CONSPIRACY NUTS and whats more RACISTS too.
125. Pragmatist:
“they are just being infantile and pathetic.”
My thoughts exactly about the ‘missing documentation’. You should worry more about YOUR dungeons and dragons.
B.B.: “I think Obama is a hologram…”
Vivo is right. Now you’re talking. An insubstantial image. Someone appears to be there, but isn’t. It’s kind of like the Oz guy. Perhaps Rahm is behind the curtain pulling the levers.
124. Anonymous:
See there you go ‘vivo’ and ‘blarty’ backscratching each other and completely CLUELESS as usual. Neither of them is able or indeed what is morse sad for them INTERESTED in explaining or excusing WHY the Obamanation is HIDING so much information about himself.
He’s not hiding anything. You have more information about him than you have ever had about any politician who has ever lived.
Excuse me while I ROTFL and you RIDICU:LOUS claim which I am sure EVEN you dont believe ‘Blarty’. So perhaps you can share all this information you have about him lets see start with his VAULT Birth Certificate then give us all these OTHER. Lets see just how much you know about him’libtard’ Links to where this information is posted will do. So PUT UP OR SHUT UP Blarty. Your inability to provide all this information or your evasion in answering will just PROVE what we know about you already Blarty you are just a ‘libtard’ blowhard with no brains and no intellect
Here apart from his Vault Birth Certificate are just some but my no means ALL of the OTHER documents and information the Obamanation is HIDING.
There is a lifetime of “missing” documentation — but it must a coincidence — it has to be a coincidence — just keep telling yourself, “it’s a coincidence.”
Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Punahou School records — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
Soetero/Obama name change documentation – Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released — Probable counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released and vigorously defended
Passport records — Not released and official government passport files scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan — now Obama’s terrorism and intelligence czar
Just a coincidence???????????
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Illinois Bar Records — Not released
Baptism certificate — None Medical records — Not released (unless you count a one-pager from his personal physician saying Obama’s healthy)
Just a coincidence????????
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes — None
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Almost 50 years old and there’s no paper trail — coincidence, Would you hire someone with this curriculum vitae? The man is completely undocumented. You don’t know anything about Obama — operative word, KNOW. None of us really do because he and his life are undocumented — an impossible coincidence — and Obama fiercely defends the release of what documentation is available. Some of us believe that something isn’t on the level and that we are entitled as United States citizens to ask any damned politician who he is, what his politics are, what his agenda is, where he came from and who sent him. You do know Obama could end all of this with a single phone call — why doesn’t he press the button?
Hey ‘libtard’ Blarty how come you have completely ignored the list of information the Obamanation is HIDING that I posted # 118 when you made you RIDICULOUS statement that you know EVERYTHING about the Obamanation but kind of forget to tell us where it is ROTFL
130. Pragmatist:
You don’t have that information (or its equivalent) about any president who has ever served.
Another great article by Sammy… Keep them coming!
131. Pragmatist:
“how come you have completely ignored the list of information the Obamanation is HIDING that I posted # 118 . . .”
If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it fall, does it make a sound?
If a loony in pjm posts a funny list and nobody cares, does it matter?
There is only one thing to say to you Blarty and that is you are a BLATANT BAREFACED LIAR. Now maybe SOME Presidents had SOME things that were not released but NO PRESIDENT has SO MANY things HIDDEN and whats more paid Lawyers MILLIONS to keep hidden. Now you might be a gullible Obambi worshiping fool but we aren’t.
#99MOHO No one called you stupid before, because the limitations of your intellect,were clearly evident in your posts.The poster decided you were too thick to realize this, and did you a service by going explicit.It’s your turn to respond by calling him a racist.
#105MOOGIE: SEE ABOVE COMMENT
court hearing for obama kenyan birth certificate is set for sept. 8 2009 at 8 a.m.
Okay, so really my question is Why? What’s the ultimate end game? If Obama has his way, and all things pass under his pen, if he is in bed with all these Czars and is trying to fundamentally change the country/world, Why? Money? Greed? Power? there is something missing out of this puzzle that we are all missing. The truth will always be a constant, and you can hide it, run from it, even intimidate it, but people who are rightous will always prevail in the end. God Bless Us.
Politicians treat us like morons or simpletons and the sad fact is most people accept the tripe we are fed from pollies.
They tell us they are looking after our best interests and then do exactly the opposite and pander to the bankers and others who hold the real power and are pulling the strings.
It goes back to the old mushroom theory – keep them in the dark and feed them manure…
I use to think Alex Jones was over the top sort of a guy but now I am not so sure.