Nobel Committee Chooses ‘Hope’ Over ‘Change’
Until reminded by Mona Charen, I had forgotten (or repressed the memory) that Rigoberta Menchu won the Nobel Prize in 1992 for her fraudulent autobiography I, Rigoberta Menchu. As evidence of their privileging (don’t you hate it when people make verbs out of nouns?) “hope” over “change,” perhaps the Nobels awarded the prize to “I, Barack” for much the same reason — to honor his promise more than his performance. Just as they honored the “inner truth” of what she had written and said more than the external, literal, factual accuracy of her pronouncements.
The similarities between these two icons of the multicultural left are enhanced, of course, by the recent revival, summarized ably here and here by Ron Radosh, of suggestions that Obama may not have been the actual, literal author of his own autobiography.
For those of you who’ve forgotten (or are too young to remember), I, Rigoberta Menchu purported to be the autobiography of a poor Guatemalan who overcame extreme poverty (a younger brother starved to death, etc.) and violent oppression at the hands of Guatemala’s brutal right-wing oligarchs (who, she wrote, burned another brother to death before her very own young eyes). Her book, composed from tapes recorded by E. Burgos-Debray, an ethnologist and the wife of French Marxist theorist and revolutionary (he was in Bolivia with Che Guevara) Regis Debray, told its gripping story in moving and telling details and quickly elevated her to iconic status among European intellectuals and American academics.
Alas, it was a good story, but only a story; many of the most dramatic details she recounted never actually happened. In the course of his own research in Guatemala, David Stoll, a Middlebury College anthropologist, was in the town where one of the most brutal massacres reported by Rigoberta had occurred. Make that allegedly occurred. As reported (January 15, 1999; requires subscription) by the Chronicle of Higher Education in an article about the controversy over the “multicultural icon”:
Mr. Stoll happened upon the town plaza of Chajul, which is near Ms. Menchu’s village of Chimel. In passing, he mentioned a key passage in Ms. Menchu’s autobiography to a villager. Wasn’t this plaza the place where the army burned prisoners, including Ms. Menchu’s brother, asked Mr. Stoll. The elderly villager looked puzzled, recalls Mr. Stoll, and told him that the army had never burned prisoners alive in the plaza. Six other townsmen told Mr. Stoll the same thing, yet Ms. Menchu’s book claimed she was an eyewitness to the torture and burning of her younger brother, Petrocinio, in that very place.
Prof. Stoll investigated further and found that indeed most of the famed Nobel-winning “autobiography” was not fact but fiction. His results were published in 1999 as I, Rigoberta Menchu and the Story of All Poor Guatemalans (Westview Press, 1999).
Stoll’s book, and a long confirmation of his findings in the New York Times, created something of a bombshell, leading to a small dose of anthropological introspection about facts, truth, politics, etc. But for the most part Menchu’s defenders did not miss a beat in defending her work. Her facts might be all wrong, they admitted, but her truth remained. Daniel Levine, a political science professor at Michigan, pointed out that “people don’t want to discuss this because Rigoberta Menchu is an icon.” But precisely because Menchu had become such an icon, many of her followers did in fact want to discuss her, so many that the Chronicle of Higher Education published a long “Colloquy” with their comments (alas, no longer online).
It’s like some freaking alternate world where there are 147 degrees in a triangle and season 6 of Reno 911 is funny. And yet, these people breathe the same air as us and drive their cars on the road at the same time we do.
What’s triply up-side-down is that we pay them a lot of money to tell us we’re stupid and wicked and wrong, PLUS there are more of us than there are of them!
Now what are we going to do? They seem to rely on our politeness and timidity.
John Rosenberg tries to diminish and smear the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to Rigoberta Menchú. You can smell the hate all along.
Menchú became a Guatemalan icon because she represented the lives of hundreds of thousands of Mayan Indians. Guatemala suffered thousands of assassinations between 1960 and 1996 under the hands of criminally trained right-wing government forces. Trained by CIA and US military, no less. They claimed to be fighting Communism, but it was actually to support the rich people’s equity.
The natives did not understand political labels, they were protecting their human rights and their fragile lives. Rigoberta Menchú exposed the truth to the World. She has accomplished in her country more than many other Nobel laureates. Her battle is not complete. Racism, discrimination, oppression and exploitation are still rampant in Guatemala by powerful and rich minorities.
Rosenberg smears her writings along with Obama’s. As a people-hater he can’t stand that the world recognizes these noble people and the effect that they have and will have with the peace process.
We should be thankful that such human beings are dedicating efforts to make the world a better place.
All she had to do, Vivo, is label it fiction. Cause it’s pretty clear from the responses to her mendacity cited by Rosenberg that none of them much cared. Meanwhile, those of who live in, and deal with, reality could have saved the time we wasted on it.
Sad truth is that the allegedly true “narrative” that the “politically correct” crowd are trying to support with factual lies is just as phony and false as the “facts” they make up to support it. The only question is: which ones well know it and are getting bribed to play along, and which ones truly are “useful idiots?”
And the answer is [crescending drumroll, please]: WHO CARES? Bottom line is they’re all dangerous liars, even if initially, they are truly able to fool even themselves.
i nominate James Frey and a million little pieces for next years prize…
3. Popcorn:
You obviously couldn’t understand what I wrote. You wasted years of ‘education’.
The idea of Norway giving a peace prize is itself hilarious. When did they bring peace to the world?
They chose stupidity over common sense. History has shown that evil cannot be appeased. It only makes matters worse. Obama will not bring peace but an even bigger war than would have been necessary if he faced faced evil. I was late to Jazz Shaw’s idiotic post yesterday. I repeat my comments here with typos corrected.
Jazz Shaw calls George Bush a warmonger. A warmonger is someone who supports war for his own personal benefit. Bush sacrificed his popularity in order to remove a genocidal, stalinist dictator who had waged war on his country and his country’s neighbors throughout his reign of terror, and who after 12 years and 17 U.N. Resolutions was still in breach of the terms of the ceasefire which paused the war he started.
Today Iraq is at peace with its neighbors and its government does not terrorize its citizens. Bush solved Iraq. Obama will not solve Iran or Afghanistan.
Not even the possibility of genocide was enough to persuade Obama not to advocate abandoning Iraq to al Qaeda and Iran. Conservatives should have their own Peace Prize. The first recipient should go to the man who liberated 28 million Iraqis. But for him, there would be two nations pursuing nuclear weapons in the Middle East, and not just one.
Jazz Shaw is an upside down embarrassment to this site.
Here’s some fiction . . . Palin wrote a book.
vivo: I commend anyone who overcomes the leftist indoctination one receives in public schools and almost all universities, to the extent they escaped with the ability to (1) think rationally, and (2) reason without succumbing to mind-numbing moral relativism. Sorry you failed at that.
And here’s some REAL fiction…Obama wrote a book.
Obama’s speech was difficult to listen to. Hypocrisy is alive and well..
Hearing him speak of ‘preserving our founding documents’ ‘responsibility’ is nauseating.
Preserving our documents, his cabinet has no regard for many of those ‘documents’. Uncanny considering he taught Constitutional Law for 12 years.
His speaking of responsibility, Mr. Manchurian voted ‘present’ +120 times in a smaller Government role when Senator.
His work of fighting unemployment may not be completed during his presidency? I thought the magical ‘green jobs’ and ‘stimulus money’ would create or preserve 2-4 million jobs. It’s having the opposite effect..
Which book did he write and which did Ayers write, and when will Ayers finally get his Nobel for literature?
Uncanny considering he taught Constitutional Law for 12 years
(There are no documents, files, reports, essays, articles anywhere that he taught anything..no students have come forward….they can’t even find anyone claiming classes with him in colleges he alleged he attended. Quite the opposite, I’ve read accounts of graduates saying I never heard of him, etc…
It’s great theater watching the right go apoplectic over that prize!
The left can’t stand the fact that a Guatemalan can make up a whole story out of her life and get the Nobel Peace Prize for fiction, not truth. To save the legitimacy of the prize is now impossible. It is a joke. Who will be put up for ridicule next year?
What is sad is the fact that the obvious choice was the opposition in Iran. People protested in the streets, we all saw it on modern technology, and they died for peace. Instead Obama emboldens the little weasel from Iran by treating him as if he is a legitimate leader, not a killer of the people of Iran. For that Obama gets a peace prize. Talk isn’t just cheap; it is a tool that can be used either for peace or for ill. Obama has used it to further subjugate the Iranian opposition by giving full stature and legitimacy to a thug and Holocaust denier.
Giving Obama a prize for “doing nothing” is funny and I understand that sentiment completely. Nevertheless, Obama has done real harm to the Iranian opposition. The Nobel Peace Prize award just throws salt in the wounds. Who is Obama going to toss under the bus next? The Dalai Lama? Oops, he already did that one too. Where are all kumbayaers when Obama insults the Dalai Lama?
hey vivo, fake but accurate. You should join CBS.
Krugman won the Economics Prize.
vivo: the natives didn’t understand labels, the natives! protecting their fragile lives? good thing you understand labels. that kind of attitude is what the “natives ” were fighting against. the attitude that there is some else that knows whats best for you because of wasted education. what side are you on? protect the poor and unwashed masses or kill them if they don’t accept your help. the issue here is not hating, its calling someone on the false narrative.
vivo – could you explain what ‘criminally trained’ means?
As for Menchu- I’m sure you will agree that ‘words matter’; which is to say, words mean something.If someone asserts that a work is an autobiography,then, the very word ‘autobiography’ has a specific meaning. It refers to actual not fictional experiences.
If Menchu wanted to document the actual realities of Guatamala, then, the principled way to have done this, was to research actual events and cases..and write them down. Fictional accounts, which we readers are expected to read as actual…is unethical.
As for racism and discrimination and oppression, you don’t have to be rich to behave in this manner; it’s a characterisic of the poor and the peasantry as well.
“You can smell the hate all along.”
We are witnessing the redefinition of hate to the point where the original meaning of the word is rapidly becoming meaningless. Rigoberta Menchú is a proven liar. She has no credibility to speak on anyone’s behalf. it is definitely not hateful to point this out. It would behoove everyone to locate a copy of Daniel Farber and Suzanna Sherry’s 1997 book, Beyond All Reason: The Radical Assault of Truth in American Law. The authors were upset by those within the “storybook movement” who simply lied at the drop of the hat. These credentialed clowns argued that they had a right to their own “truth.” Facts should not get in the way of the larger attempt to tell the story of injustice.
I guess this Nobel Prize winning thing has put everyone’s political perspective, into perspective. My far (loony) right friends are split, some just want to see republicans cry and whine and the others don’t even want us as part of the process, but they also do not want us part of any process, libertarian, … they see the whole war, U.N. taxes and world thing as evil.
My Republican friends think Obama got it for doing nothing and they think it was given as a slap to our former President. They also do not believe Obama deserved it. However, they believe in the Nobel Prize and are proud that an American got it.
My left wing friends, are split like my far right friends. Which is strange but strangely understandble. My far left (loony) have little time for America anymore. Like their far right colleagues, they are bitter and feel betrayed. My heart goes out to them all.
As for independants like myself? I agree with the President that he was chosen. However, once again, with his predessor in mind, Americans will be happy (as the Europeans are) that we now have a President with leadership and vision and will not erase our ideals; This will enhance our prestige greatly. I am proud to be an American today, aren’t you?
Vivio:
If the kinds of events that Rigoberta lied about were so common and widespread why was it necessary to invent them and discredit the whole “narrative”?
People or movements that lie and deceive in an effort to manipulate feelings and support fallacious dogmas cannot be smeared or diminished because they are already, like the lie they tell, a nullity, and your silly rationalizations cannot give them validity.
Once again, I offer my automatic vivo comment generator:
“You hating hateful haters, blah, blah, wingnut haters, blah, blah, Palin is dumb, blah, blah, hateful rednecks, hate, hate, hate, hate,…,” There ya go!
Menchu is a total fraud, which of course makes her irresistable to the left. They are drawn to lies like flies to filth.
I’m reposting this on this thread just to rub it in:
It’s even clearer today that that many libs have, at best, mixed feelings about the award – see today’s NT Times headline. That makes the reaction of the PJM trolls all the more entertaining. Vivo, jharp N & T, etc. are like bozos who leap out of their seats to wildly cheer and applaud a bad play. After standing there for a few minutes giving the crappy actors a standing ovation, the doofs glance over their shoulders – and notice that nobody else in the theater is clapping. Comedy gold!
Oh, WHO CARES what 5 Norwegians think? They are of a race that eats lutefisk, fer godsakes
It is ironic that the namesake of this peace prize, Alfred Nobel, was an armaments manufacturer and the inventor of dynamite. I have some rather nice shotgun rounds (12-gauge rifled slugs) with his name on them. Nice!
very interesting article. in the Duke lacrosse player”rape” case, someone defended the lying accuser by saying that even though her particular story may have been false,”the narrative” was still true.
this really describes how the Left processes information. these people who think Obama richly deserved the award? they just prove they don’t understand what the award is for, or should be for. they don’t understand how it cheapens us to be given something we don’t deserve. they think just because Obama is not Bush, that’s enough. it isn’t. or shouldn’t be.
btw, please don’t try to respond to the trolls like vivo. they don’t come on here to listen or learn, to discuss different viewpoints and persuade or be persuaded…they come on to type ad hominem attacks against anyone who doesn’t worship at the feet of their messiah. it’s a waste of time to try and convince them to think rationally or explore facts.
Vivo: I’m sorry the neanderthals don’t get it. They never do. They always stand in the way of Truth.
Officials used to be accused in the old USSR and Nazi germany of undermining the people’s revolution. Odddly enough, all were found guilty and shot for the good of the Party. It was more important that the Party be served and its truth be supported than any real truth. “Darkness At Noon?” Toss it!
Demonizing a class or group with fiction went on to produce such great results. Ask anyone alive in 1933!
Why it almost worked here: rememebr the Lacrosse team accused of rape? the only real concern to many is that they be punished for the greater good and to compensate for alleged injustices of the past.
What is truth when the desired goals must be furthered? Let’s cast off tiresome ideas of truth and justice. Lets decide policy based on perceived not verifiable truth!
Heck lets return to the age of mystics and witches! We just KNOW some people are just bad! Lets off them!
Donna V:
They remind me of that one scene from Citizen Kane. They’re not applauding because the object of their applause deserves it…they’re just doing it as a massive middle finger to those who refuse to applaud. “Why? Because F__K YOU, that’s why!”
I too have a bit of trouble with this one. If your trying to discredit the Nobel Prize because someone you do not like (and never have) achieved it then why pick an example of someone that may have deserved it.
You could have looked up some past nominees/awardees that were less than deserving than this one (hint, there are a couple). However, your choice only served to strengthen those that supported the choice and their argument(s), thus, bolstering their glee. I don’t get it.
Doesn’t it seem like poor citizen is on some meds that keep it in lala land? And the energy vivo expends trying to make a square peg fit into a round whole is, well, breathtaking.
POOR CITIZEN
Yassar Arafat: A Swedish wet dream. Good job, Nobel Committee. Idi Amin…runner up.
Heeeeeeey, wait a minute . . . Rigoberta Menchu . . . is she like, a Mexican?
The Nobel Committee choses farce over slapstick comedy.
Truth is relative.
Morals are relative.
Facts are relative.
Hmmm… I’ll accept the above concepts when leftists become relative. Until then, I think I’ll cling to my reason, sanity, truth, and discernment.
And now comes a test for Obama. Will he translate his words, which are virtual, into action.which is real.
Iran has sentenced, so far, three of the dissidents who protested the Iranian election..to death.
What will Obama do?
He totally ignored their protests for democracy after the election. He acted ‘as if’ these claims for democracy hadnt occurred. So, now, what will Obama do with this occurrence?
I’ll bet he’ll do the same. He’ll ignore them. You see, Obama lives only and totally, in a virtual world, made up not of reality. But of words. He ignores reality. And, he’ll ignore this new flaunting by Iran of “the notion of democracy’.
Obama. Nothing but words. Empty words.
it’s a waste of time to try and convince them to think rationally or explore facts.
Oh, I totally agree. I just like to make fun of them. These lying toads can not be ridiculed too much.
Don’t waste them getting angry with them. Just point and laugh and jeer at the fools. Their arguments are so absurd that it’s easy enough to do.
We need to globalize our perspective and not try to minimize the relevancy of the book regardless of some fabrications that may or may not exist. The experiences related were all within the realm of the possible.
Indeed. But, when you get right down to it, isn’t there very little that exists outside the realm of the possibile? So shouldn’t it be entirely permissible and perfectly reasonable for each of us to choose which among all the possible experiences best illustrates our personal chronicle regardless of actual events? Menchu may not have written the truth truth, but she wrote The Truth. And The Truth is far more important than mere truth truth. Especially from a globalized perspective.
I’m reminded of the apologists for the doctored photos of the Israeli bombing of Lebanon. The spokesperson for, IIRC, AP said it didn’t matter if the pictures depicted actual events because they were representative of actual events.
Let’s not forget that Albert Gore was awarded a Nobel for fiction too. Anyone see a trend?
#34 ETAB: In other words, Obama will vote “present.”
I like the distinction you gave between the virtual world of words and the actual world of actions.
#36 Sukie: I think I’ll go rob a bank this week because the actual event of having all that money is representative of me wanting to be rich. I wonder how long it will be before some slick trial lawyer comes up with this as a defense ploy? “Your honor, my client is only relatively guilty of the crime, since in actuality, he robbed the 7-11 in order to obtain that which would represent his eventual goal of illicit drug purchases. Getting the money through forceful means was representative of actual events, which, in turn are relative to the narrative of virtual existence.”
#2: Veevo, VIVO, verum you are still a crumb. Meet fellow world traveler and smear artist #8. Now and Then. Do you braid each others hair? The topic is the Nobel Peace prize and somehow this is an opportunity to slam Sarah Palin. He beat you to it. Shame on you. I would not recommend reading her book since it will outline her achievements in public office. Something that has eluded your supreme leader – The Enlightened One.
You are suppose to stay on topic but your little minds can’t do that. Obama is nothing but empty words and the Nobel Peace prize is empty award given to the person most likely to cause WW III. Yes the world is a safer place now that Obama is our universal leader. It is safe to fire long range missiles and develop nuclear weapons. Go ahead build enrichment plants and stock pile those nuclear weapons. What do we care? We got nukes, you got nukes everybody got to have nukes. Everyone except the Norwegians. They have awards.
The Norwegians have a knack for picking losers, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore and now Barack. They are better at picking losers than the Republican party. Hey maybe they are Republicans. They are old, white and have no personality.
They remind me of that one scene from Citizen Kane.
Great analogy, Jake. And doesn’t Obama make you think of the hapless Susan from that movie? Kane wanted her to be a great opera singer and she couldn’t carry a tune in a bucket. But the dorks still applaud.
Meet fellow world traveler and smear artist #8. Now and Then. Do you braid each others hair?
No, I think they groom each other like monkeys, picking out lice.
Hey, some of the old hippies I saw at anti-war demos (remember those?) looked like they last washed their hair when Grace Slick was still in her 20′s.
Re #31/Now and Then: [...] wait a minute . . . Rigoberta Menchu . . . is she like, a Mexican? [...]
No, N&T, fraud and imposture transcend ethnic lines. The best example is Obama – he is an American fraudster & cheat, not a Kenyan crook.
Got it?
Re #8/Now and Then: [...] Here’s some fiction. Palin wrote a book. [...]
And here’s some reality, buddy: Obama wrote not only ONE, but TWO Columbia graduation thesis, one “US-Soviet Nuclear Disarmament Issues” and “North-South Post-Colonial Relationships” – both eaten by the same dog that ate his other academic and vital records.
And Obama wrote those two thesis at a time when the school DIDN”T REQUIRE a thesis for graduation for the track on which Obama claims that was enrolled in -
Your take on this hologram?
The following is from working man Michael Moore’s thoughts on Obama’s Nobel (via HuffPO):
[...] One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). [...]
sukie tawdry – you are making quite a few logical errors.
First, you are mistaking the universal or general…for the particular or actual. This is a serious problem because there is no such thing in actual reality as The Truth (universal). Again, the Universal, or Truth, doesn’t actually exist in real time and space. It’s an abstraction, a generalization.
So, Beauty doesn’t exist as..Beauty. But, particular, actual beautiful things, do exist. Likewise, TRUTH doesn’t exist. Only particular actual events..have truth.
Therefore, your suggestion that recounting fictional events, which might possibly have happened, is a truthful action, is false. Why? Because what is potential or possible may never, ever, in reality, come to actuality.
Because it is possible for a unicorn to exist does not mean that my book about them is a truthful documentation.
This means that your suggestion that IF something MIGHT possibly exist, then, it does exist..and to say so, is truthful, is illogical and false. You are merging potential and actual – a logical fallacy.
Menchu was lying. These events did not occur.
If I owned a plantation and a Marxist wanted to take it away I would shoot him or burn him too. Millions of farmers have been dispossessed by Marxist in the last one hundred years.
14. biblio44:
“It’s great theater watching the right go apoplectic over that prize!”
dude it ruined my buzz from the Olympic committee.
29. csd:
“And the energy vivo expends trying to make a square peg fit into a round (w)hole is, well, breathtaking.”
I couldn’t have said it better! Thanks, csd.
I feel sorry for the pajammers that cannot understand the realities of the world. The Rigoberta Menchú book intended to reveal the realities of the Guatemalan tragedy. I know the area and met people who lived (and died) as she describes. These pajammers are too lazy or don’t know how to research these realities, but worst, they don’t believe real people who lived that reality. I know it’s difficult and sometimes impossible to fit a peg into a hole.
Like I’ve said many times ‘Ignorance is bliss’.
I don’t know why the Islamists hate the USA, the Latin Americans have way too many more reasons to hate real exploiters and torturers. Very few regular citizens are aware of this. They only know because they were there or met the people.
46. Ruebacca:
“If I owned a plantation and a Marxist wanted to take it away I would shoot him or burn him too.”
You forgot HOW he obtained that plantation . . . it won’t be a pleasant story.
And calling people Marxists is so lame . . . makes you look wide-eyed dense.
Rosenberg always has a unique and often historic take on the current day political scene. It’s no wonder his writing generates such a variety of responses.
Like so much that surrounds Obama, people seem to see what they want to rather than what is. How else can you explain the minority group that continues to glorify his lack of accomplishments in all areas of his presidency? Just like Rigoberta, people will continue to applaud him even as the clothes fall off the emperor.
So, essentially they can say that symbolism is as important as truth, still arguing they are telling it, symbolically, when the “truth” turns out to be lies. Schemes of My Fathers.
The Norwegians, apparently, have merged the Peace and Literature Prizes and not told anyone.
45. ETAB: sukie tawdry – you are making quite a few logical errors.
Well, either that or you didn’t “get” the vein of my post. Thanks for the tutorial on logic and the essence of Truth, though. Well done.
In afterthought, I’m gratified to see that I apparently can argue like the illogical left at will.
A certain pundit believes Obama should accept the award on behalf of American troops. This is what the pundit believes Obama should say:
“I will accept it on behalf of the most important peacekeepers in the world for the last century — the men and women of the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps.
“I will accept this award on behalf of the American soldiers who landed on Omaha Beach on June 6, 1944, to liberate Europe from the grip of Nazi fascism. I will accept this award on behalf of the American soldiers and sailors who fought on the high seas and forlorn islands in the Pacific to free East Asia from Japanese tyranny in the Second World War.
If you want to see the true essence of America, visit any U.S. military outpost in Iraq or Afghanistan. You will meet young men and women of every race and religion who work together as one, far from their families, motivated chiefly by their mission to keep the peace and expand the borders of freedom.
“So for all these reasons — and so you understand that I will never hesitate to call on American soldiers where necessary to take the field against the enemies of peace, tolerance and liberty — I accept this peace prize on behalf of the men and women of the U.S. military: the world’s most important peacekeepers.”
Lord Almighty! What warmongering neocon said that?
Thomas Friedman – NY Times
Yeah, I’m in a state of shock myself. I’ll bet the sewer system of Manhattan was backed up this morning, as 2 million liberal yupsters ran to their bathrooms at the same moment after reading Friedman’s column.
14. biblio44:
“It’s great theater watching the right go apoplectic over that prize!”
Apoplectic? Dude, I’ve been laughing my a** off all weekend long, just like I laughed like mad when Chi-town lost the Olympics.
You really believe we’re angry about this? You are even more clueless and cut off from reality than I thought.
Obama has earned the prize.
In the blink of an eye he has moved the world’s only superpower firmly into the appeasement camp. This has been the Western left’s greatest foreign policy goal for the past eight years, and Obama has delivered on it.
Without creating much of a stir, he has notified our enemies that they need not fear us, and our allies that they cannot count on us.
Meanwhile, Iran arms itself for the coming annihilation of 6 million Jews, and the world prepares itself by stigmatizing Israel and legitimizing anti-Semitism.
“49. vivo:
46. Ruebacca:
“If I owned a plantation and a Marxist wanted to take it away I would shoot him or burn him too.”
You forgot HOW he obtained that plantation . . . it won’t be a pleasant story.
And calling people Marxists is so lame . . . makes you look wide-eyed dense.”
I did not read the book and don’t need too. Whats wrong with calling pinkos Marxists. If you want my stuff your a theft. If you want the proletariat to have my stuff your a Marxist. Our Universities are full of Marxists and our President is one too. The Congressional Black caucus loves Cuba. Cuba is a wonderland to them and they speak no ill of it. They are Marxists. Just look at their congressional districts, they look like Poland in the 80′s. Poor and hopeless.
If I had a Plantation and the Marxist became popular. It would be on. I know what they would do to me and they deserve the hell I would unleash.
Just for fun Vivo. Drive into the country side and announce your from the Obama’s citizen council and you are taking possession of farms in the name of the poor.
55. Donna V.:
“Apoplectic? Dude, I’ve been laughing my a** off all weekend long, just like I laughed like mad when Chi-town lost the Olympics. You really believe we’re angry about this? You are even more clueless and cut off from reality than I thought.”
Now you know how we feel about Palin.
57. Ruebacca:
What a confused mind, u don’t know what u r talking about. Get an education.
Now and Then..could you explain why you ‘laughed like mad’, i.e., became hysterical when Chicago didn’t get the Olympics, while you became equally hysterical when Obama ‘won’ the Peace Prize?
After all, the first loss clearly showed that an ACTION carried out by Obama in the real world produced no positive results, while INACTION won him, just him alone (not peace)..an award.
Aren’t you embarassed? Leftist actions produce negative results. While sophomoronic words..not actions.. akin to that of every twittering Beauty Queen who ‘wants peace in the world’..produce, not peace, but the Crown for her/him. Isn’t that embarassing to you?
Don’t you want actual peace? Are words alone sufficient for your type of world?
60. ETAB:
It wasn’t me. It was Donna V. You see those little curly things at the start and end of the sentence? Those are quotation marks. You use them when you are quotationing somebody else’s word. So, I suggest you ask your questions of Donna V. Ooh, wait, Donna V is a conservative. My oh my, this is a bit sticky, isn’t it. Go ahead, work it out between the two of you. Let us know what part of your heartfelt and principled opinions you want to obscure going forward. Perhaps you should send your posts to Glenn Beck for proofreading before you hit “submit.” (Interesting choice of words here on PJM, isn’t it? . . . Submit.
Hail Rush. Go Sarah!
“Menchú became a Guatemalan icon because she represented the lives of hundreds of thousands of Mayan Indians. Guatemala suffered thousands of assassinations blah blah….”
Yep, you know the all lines by rote. I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the Fort Benning “Torture School.” After all, the Truth is more important than, you know, facts.
F**king Chavista.
ETAB and Donna V . . . you guys work out that little konservative kerfuffle yet? Haven’t heard from you yet. My guess? You’ve slinked off to some other string. But fear not, we’ll find you again. And point out your raging inconsistencies again. And you’ll deny the obvious again. Because that’s what konservatives do again and again and again. Have fun.
62. Bohemond:
Now that you mention it:
“Between 1946 and 2001, the SOA trained more than 61,000 Latin American soldiers and policemen. Some of them became notorious for human rights violations, including generals Leopoldo Galtieri, Efraín Ríos Montt and Manuel Noriega, dictators such as Bolivia’s Hugo Banzer, some of Augusto Pinochet’s officers, and the founders of Los Zetas, a mercenary army for one of Mexico’s largest drug trafficking organizations, the Gulf Cartel”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_for_Security_Cooperation
Thank you for adding to the truth.
Your mother didn’t teach you manners?
RE # 48. vivo & the other post-modern Nobel apologists: [...] The Rigoberta Menchú book intended to reveal the realities of the Guatemalan tragedy [...]
“Intended” – splendid Freudian slip! “Intended” -”Intended” to reaveal the Guatemalan tragedy (ostensibly inflicted by some right-wing elements, and not by absurd fraticidal conflicts), via forgery and fraud.
But hasn’t Obama gotten his Nobel as a reward for “intentions” and not for achivements? How fitting that Obama has joined Rigoberta in the Noble Intentions Club – i.e. of international fraudsters and crooks.