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		<title>By: Webelf Report News Blogroll &#171; The WebElf Report</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/no-politician-is-holy-or-unholy/#comment-103899</link>
		<dc:creator>Webelf Report News Blogroll &#171; The WebElf Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NO POLITICIAN is Holy - or Unholy &#8230;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NO POLITICIAN is Holy &#8211; or Unholy &#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Greene</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/no-politician-is-holy-or-unholy/#comment-28590</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far from Messianic worship, Conservatives view McCain with skepticism. I support him not because of some fuzzy idea of how he &quot;makes me feel good,&quot; but because his view of the world is more in parallel with my own.

The closest thing to a Messianic figure Conservatives have was Reagan, but again, not because of empty rhetoric. We knew his policies would rebuild our economy and our defense; that he would strongly oppose Soviet tyranny; that he would make government less intrusive in our lives. 

This is far different from incidents of (staged) fainting over a candidates visual appeal or (prepared) speech making abilities. What is the content of his beliefs and to whom does he attribute America&#039;s greatness - individuals or the almighty government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far from Messianic worship, Conservatives view McCain with skepticism. I support him not because of some fuzzy idea of how he &#8220;makes me feel good,&#8221; but because his view of the world is more in parallel with my own.</p>
<p>The closest thing to a Messianic figure Conservatives have was Reagan, but again, not because of empty rhetoric. We knew his policies would rebuild our economy and our defense; that he would strongly oppose Soviet tyranny; that he would make government less intrusive in our lives. </p>
<p>This is far different from incidents of (staged) fainting over a candidates visual appeal or (prepared) speech making abilities. What is the content of his beliefs and to whom does he attribute America&#8217;s greatness &#8211; individuals or the almighty government?</p>
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		<title>By: Mortimer</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/no-politician-is-holy-or-unholy/#comment-27661</link>
		<dc:creator>Mortimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mer,
Wow, you read a hack book by a right wing jerk  and now you know everything about Fascism. Do you ever read anything besides neo-con trash? Ah, since about half the left in the 30&#039;s was composed of Jews or people friendly to Jews, are you goign to tell me they all enthusiastically supported Hitler and Mussolini? that is  a lie. The left supported the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War while the fascists and the Nazis supported the Nationalists. Honestly, you are a patsy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mer,<br />
Wow, you read a hack book by a right wing jerk  and now you know everything about Fascism. Do you ever read anything besides neo-con trash? Ah, since about half the left in the 30&#8242;s was composed of Jews or people friendly to Jews, are you goign to tell me they all enthusiastically supported Hitler and Mussolini? that is  a lie. The left supported the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War while the fascists and the Nazis supported the Nationalists. Honestly, you are a patsy.</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/no-politician-is-holy-or-unholy/#comment-27549</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strawn&#039;s caution to conservatives is good in theory, but his own examples undermine his argument.  Others in the comment thread have done well showing that the supposed equivalences aren&#039;t uh, equal.  That there are some conservatives who get excessive in their claims that conservatism = Christianity - sure; but where is the evidence that these are numerous or influential in McCain&#039;s stable?

I followed Angry African&#039;s link.  Sorry, son, but each of those points would only take about two paragraphs apiece to deep-six.

I have to ask both of you - was that your best shot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strawn&#8217;s caution to conservatives is good in theory, but his own examples undermine his argument.  Others in the comment thread have done well showing that the supposed equivalences aren&#8217;t uh, equal.  That there are some conservatives who get excessive in their claims that conservatism = Christianity &#8211; sure; but where is the evidence that these are numerous or influential in McCain&#8217;s stable?</p>
<p>I followed Angry African&#8217;s link.  Sorry, son, but each of those points would only take about two paragraphs apiece to deep-six.</p>
<p>I have to ask both of you &#8211; was that your best shot?</p>
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		<title>By: Morton Doodslag</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/blog/no-politician-is-holy-or-unholy/#comment-27489</link>
		<dc:creator>Morton Doodslag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moral equvalence in Strawn&#039;s article can only digust informed readers, and comments above prove it. This vain shallow desperate attempt to smear those on the right with the hypocrisy of the left is odious. If Mr. Strawn, who somehow always accomplishes getting it wrong, actually read conservative sites and commentaries, or listened to conservative radio, he&#039;d know that Bush&#039;s eight year tenure has been far from a lovefest. Today at Michelle Malkon&#039;s site, there&#039;s a blistering condemnation of Bush &quot;cronyism&quot; (her word), and links to other places where this topic has been beaten to death. 

News Flash!  McCain, has not been treated as  saint by the right.  Strewn apparently forgets a mere few months ago the bitter rancour of the likes of Limbaugh and Coulter, who threatened to vote for the detested ahillary if McCain becomes the nominee. 

I&#039;ve wondered before what might PajamasMedia management thinking in giving column space to this clueless wonder?  Perhaps Roger L. Simon is attempting to provide specimens of the witless leftist MSM mentality which gave rise to PM in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moral equvalence in Strawn&#8217;s article can only digust informed readers, and comments above prove it. This vain shallow desperate attempt to smear those on the right with the hypocrisy of the left is odious. If Mr. Strawn, who somehow always accomplishes getting it wrong, actually read conservative sites and commentaries, or listened to conservative radio, he&#8217;d know that Bush&#8217;s eight year tenure has been far from a lovefest. Today at Michelle Malkon&#8217;s site, there&#8217;s a blistering condemnation of Bush &#8220;cronyism&#8221; (her word), and links to other places where this topic has been beaten to death. </p>
<p>News Flash!  McCain, has not been treated as  saint by the right.  Strewn apparently forgets a mere few months ago the bitter rancour of the likes of Limbaugh and Coulter, who threatened to vote for the detested ahillary if McCain becomes the nominee. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wondered before what might PajamasMedia management thinking in giving column space to this clueless wonder?  Perhaps Roger L. Simon is attempting to provide specimens of the witless leftist MSM mentality which gave rise to PM in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: AST</title>
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		<dc:creator>AST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems quite fatuous to try to compare the messianic fervor of Obama&#039;s supporters with anyone&#039;s support of John McCain.  Consider that admiration for McCain is based on a real record  of heroism as a POW and a real record of decades in Congress.  

I don&#039;t support McCain or anyone remaining in either party, but at least those who admire him can point to a real record. 

Obama has run as all things to all liberals.  Those who compare him to JKF strike me as particularly guilty of distorting President Kennedy&#039;s legacy, or of never re-reading his speeches, since the most prominent of them are his own family.  He strikes me as the Jayson Blair of politics, bright and well-spoken but with little to recommend it for President of the U.S.  

As for Hillary Clinton, the main reason anybody supports her is that she&#039;s the first woman who&#039;s come this close. 

Conservatives at this moment are the least likely to hold anybody in the kind of awe that Obama supporters seem to have for him.  They&#039;ve learned that having control of the White House and Congress is no guarantee that things will go the way you wish they would.  They will be the most surprised if McCain wins and then is actually a good, effective president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems quite fatuous to try to compare the messianic fervor of Obama&#8217;s supporters with anyone&#8217;s support of John McCain.  Consider that admiration for McCain is based on a real record  of heroism as a POW and a real record of decades in Congress.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t support McCain or anyone remaining in either party, but at least those who admire him can point to a real record. </p>
<p>Obama has run as all things to all liberals.  Those who compare him to JKF strike me as particularly guilty of distorting President Kennedy&#8217;s legacy, or of never re-reading his speeches, since the most prominent of them are his own family.  He strikes me as the Jayson Blair of politics, bright and well-spoken but with little to recommend it for President of the U.S.  </p>
<p>As for Hillary Clinton, the main reason anybody supports her is that she&#8217;s the first woman who&#8217;s come this close. </p>
<p>Conservatives at this moment are the least likely to hold anybody in the kind of awe that Obama supporters seem to have for him.  They&#8217;ve learned that having control of the White House and Congress is no guarantee that things will go the way you wish they would.  They will be the most surprised if McCain wins and then is actually a good, effective president.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Jolly Penguin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fat Jolly Penguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, you made valid points.  I don&#039;t know many people who will actually be voting for John McCain and are completely happy with the decision, though; I&#039;m certainly not.  Vast swaths of Obama&#039;s supporters, by contrast, seem only to care that he&#039;ll change the country.  (Which begs the related question, &quot;Into what?&quot;)

All in all, this seems to me like a rather feeble &quot;Well, both sides do it&quot; refutation -- which isn&#039;t a refutation at all.  Opposing political ideologies will always fight each other -- that&#039;s why they&#039;re opposites.  Comparing the methods they use to do so is important, but it&#039;s more important (especially now) to look at what they&#039;re fighting about and debate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, you made valid points.  I don&#8217;t know many people who will actually be voting for John McCain and are completely happy with the decision, though; I&#8217;m certainly not.  Vast swaths of Obama&#8217;s supporters, by contrast, seem only to care that he&#8217;ll change the country.  (Which begs the related question, &#8220;Into what?&#8221;)</p>
<p>All in all, this seems to me like a rather feeble &#8220;Well, both sides do it&#8221; refutation &#8212; which isn&#8217;t a refutation at all.  Opposing political ideologies will always fight each other &#8212; that&#8217;s why they&#8217;re opposites.  Comparing the methods they use to do so is important, but it&#8217;s more important (especially now) to look at what they&#8217;re fighting about and debate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Angry African</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angry African</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although long-winded and unclear - the basic point is right. All politicians and their supporters smear the other side. The difference is that most Republicans will call the other side names and hint at them being lessor Christians. Let&#039;s remind ourselves how they stick to those Commandments they should love so much. http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/09/breaking-the-commandments-republican-style/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although long-winded and unclear &#8211; the basic point is right. All politicians and their supporters smear the other side. The difference is that most Republicans will call the other side names and hint at them being lessor Christians. Let&#8217;s remind ourselves how they stick to those Commandments they should love so much. <a href="http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/09/breaking-the-commandments-republican-style/" rel="nofollow">http://angryafrican.net/2008/03/09/breaking-the-commandments-republican-style/</a></p>
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		<title>By: huxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>huxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there are more false equivalences in Strawn&#039;s piece than in Obama&#039;s speech.

I like that PJ Media will offer new writers in its buffet, but so often the resulting essays do not sustain scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are more false equivalences in Strawn&#8217;s piece than in Obama&#8217;s speech.</p>
<p>I like that PJ Media will offer new writers in its buffet, but so often the resulting essays do not sustain scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You lost me at &quot;stupid&quot; in the first paragraph.  It is indicative of Lefties whether avowed or subliminal, that they do the &quot;well, what about....&quot; fill in the blank.  Bad behavior is what it is.  The problem with Mr. and Mrs. Obama is that she lets her disdain and hatred for whitey out, he smiles his way through it.  There is no way in the world his association with Wright can be excused on any grounds other than that he believed his mentor, reverend, friend and associate.  Nothing said or done can change that, ever.  It is like saying that Hitler was my pal and mentor but I never heard him say one bad thing about anybody and he didn&#039;t start a war!  Just does not wash, period, paragraph..the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You lost me at &#8220;stupid&#8221; in the first paragraph.  It is indicative of Lefties whether avowed or subliminal, that they do the &#8220;well, what about&#8230;.&#8221; fill in the blank.  Bad behavior is what it is.  The problem with Mr. and Mrs. Obama is that she lets her disdain and hatred for whitey out, he smiles his way through it.  There is no way in the world his association with Wright can be excused on any grounds other than that he believed his mentor, reverend, friend and associate.  Nothing said or done can change that, ever.  It is like saying that Hitler was my pal and mentor but I never heard him say one bad thing about anybody and he didn&#8217;t start a war!  Just does not wash, period, paragraph..the end.</p>
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