Please, No More ‘Half-as-Much’ Republicans
If 2010 proves to be a “wave” election for the GOP, conservatives can expect more than a few half-as-much Republicans to sweep into Congress. What’s a half-as-much Republican? One who’s willing to do half as much as liberals on big government initiatives. Guys like John McCain and his sidekick, Lindsey Graham, for instance. Or Maine’s Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe. Or departing Senator George Voinovich.
But there’s an effective way to put half-as-much Republicans on notice: defeat a couple of them in upcoming primaries, especially in high-profile Senate contests.
Sending a couple of half-as-muchers to summertime defeats would create quite a stir and cause other such critters, like Mark Kirk (IL) and Mike Castle (DE), to pause. Kirk and Castle are the likely GOP Senate nominees in their states. It would also be a shot across the bow of the GOP Senate leadership, which otherwise might generously want to accommodate its half-as-much brethren in the 112th Congress.
The aforementioned John McCain and Florida Governor Charlie Crist are both ripe for the picking. Both face stiff primary challenges. Senator McCain is squaring off against former U.S. Representative JD Hayworth. Crist is already battling for his political life against former Florida House Speaker Marco Rubio.
No conservative worth his salt is unaware of the notorious “independence” of John McCain, Arizona’s senior senator. Having long ago wiggled from his conservative cocoon, the senator prides himself on his eclectic policy choices. He is gainst government-run health care but for cap and trade (and then against it as the 2008 election progressed). He’s a true blue warrior in the war on terror but squishy in the war to secure the nation’s southern border.
Swapping the flinty and unpredictable John McCain for Hayworth is a nice bargain from a conservative’s viewpoint. Hayworth will be no less opposed to government-run health care, but he’ll also stand clearly against the economy-killing cap and trade scam. The former Phoenix talk show host will be a reliable vote in the war on terror, but he won’t fall in with Washington’s Republican and Democratic establishments on amnesty for illegals.
In November polling, in a hypothetical matchup, McCain and Hayworth were statistically tied. McCain now shows a comfortable double-digit lead. But the internals and other soundings must be encouraging for Hayworth, as he quit his day job to enter the contest. And Senator McCain has launched tough, preemptive strikes against Hayworth, indicating fear of his candidacy. The primary isn’t until late August, giving Hayworth plenty of time to press the flesh and make his case.
McCain-Feingold is reason enough to un-elect McCain and Feingold and any Senator that voted for it.
I agree. We had the same problem in Australia. Malcolm Turnbull tried to find a middle ground. He’s gone and people are backing a return to conservatism, al-hamdillilah.
Right on!! But why is Sarah Palin stumping for McCain?This is a time for serious action, not political niceness. Also, the Repubs have got to end open primaries. . .The open primaries helped McCain, no one else.
“Republicans are bad!” Ask any two Democrats in a row why they vote for Democrats and that is what they will tell you. Simple, straight forward and effective. 60+ years of success proves it.
Ask any two Republicans in a row for a simple, straight forward explanation of why about anything and you’re in for an epistle of mixed messages that would be the envy of any by the riverside southern Baptist preacher. No one understands a damn thing he has to say. Everyone knows that they are doomed.
“Contract With America” was a start. But, once their ticket was punched with winning power the GOP ditched the contract like it was some kind of sticky stuff they got on their shoes while walking through the back alleys most of us know as the heartland of America.
Fill in the blanks GOP.
“Democrats are —-, —- and —-.”
There should be no more questions?
“Yes, John McCain is a hero. He lost valuable years of his life as a POW during the Vietnam War. For his sacrifices, he’s earned Americans’ undying gratitude.”
Absolutely right! Honor him for his military service. Give him a gold watch, a parade and the key to the city. But don’t allow him to govern us any longer!
Well said; These people are confused and know not what their jobs really are about. They’re dangerous for the Republic.
We really dodged a bullet by not electing McCain didn’t we? Thank God Obama is in there instead of “half a Republican”. We can only wonder the damage he would have caused had he been elected. Instead, we are on our way to an unprecedented period of growth and prosperity under the greatest President our country has ever produced. How lucky we are as a nation to have a person who is not afraid to apologize for America’s past transgressions, nor bow to foreign leaders, and to proclaim to the world that America is no better than any other nation on earth. All this in one year. We can only imagine what the future holds. Our history books and grandchildren will be talking about him for years. Yes, by all means, keep people like McCain out of the Republican party. They are dangerous for our country.
I used to say that there would be no way for me to vote for this charlatan over anyone. Then he went and selected Palin and I held my nose and voted for him rather than the faux liberal (read progressive).
Now, however, I get emails from McCain asking for money to keep a CONSERVATIVE McCain in the senate. You gotta be kidding me. I wouldn’t send this guy a dime based on his past performance. Even if he would be better than a democrat and it has nothing to do with getting middle of the road Republicans out of the big tent, it has to do with his continuously voting for issues that are socialist in nature (finance reform, immigration reform, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.)
Mr. McCain, being a conservative means not calling yourself one, it means walking the walk and you haven’t done that in a long, long time.
As I have said, the republicans need a message for america that is more compelling than “Not as bad as the democrats.”
In truth, I have no problem supporting a Democrat or a Republican provided that the candidate understands the limits placed upon the government by the U.S. Constitution. This is the big issue that gets lost in the bogus and thoroughly discredited notion that a “bigger tent” is automatically a stronger tent. Instead of working to educate our fellow citizens to build a strong, lasting Republic, we instead work to amass larger majorities based on reactionary rhetoric grounded in ephemeral “issues”. Thus, the political pendulum swings one way for a few years, and then the other – always pushing further to the left with each cycle.
Tea Party Independents and constitutional conservatives have an opportunity right now. And they’re missing it, big time. An enormous groundswell of Americans are absolutely fed up with the excesses of government. Their problem, by and large, is that they don’t fully understand the simple mechanism by which government has become such an overweening threat: by usurping authority that is not expressly assigned to the federal government in the Constitution. Most have been convinced by self-serving politicians, pundits and the media that the tendency toward ballooning government is just one of two different political ideologies.
Americans are slowly learning that this is not the case – the Republican Party has recently been just as guilty of usurping authority as the Democrats – but as yet the specific aspect of government that is broken right now, which is at the root of that behavior, is not the focus of the electorate. Rather, that focus has shifted to getting “better Republicans” or “honest Democrats” elected, or just building a “bigger tent”, no matter the cost to the future. In fact, things will never change if the focus doesn’t turn toward accountability, based on the rules set down in the Constitution.
A program to educate the electorate in this regard, using BHO’s and the Democrat Congress’ numerous abuses of federal power as examples, would start to galvanize and re-balance the democratic foundation of this country, revitalizing the Republic. It would also put the “half-as-muchers” on notice that RINO nonsense isn’t going to be tolerated any longer. Not because it’s less than “pure” conservatism, but because it’s destructive to the Republic.
Exellent commentary Mr. Smith. McCain has proven time and again that he is formost for John McCain and will pair up with anyone who can propel him into the spotlight. Thanks for your service to the country Sen. McCain but time for you to just install lights, camera and mirrors in your own bedroom and have your wife salute you in the mornings. Give us a break ! It was cowardly liberal republicans whom we have to thank for electing BHO along with the shallow lock-step mindless youth of America. Yes, toss the jelly- core republicans : Olympia, Lindsay, Crist, et al. They amoung others are the next Arlen S. turncoats.
7. KJB:
How lucky we are as a nation to have a person who is not afraid to apologize for America’s past transgressions . . .
Where’s the quote. Show me the quote where he said “I’m sorry” or “I apologize” for America. You can’t. Consider yourself lucky you have a Democratic president you can blame for the unavoidable clustermess Bush left us in. There’s some food for thought: the biggest strength Republicans and conservatives have right now is that they’re not in power. Wow, well done! That’s the spirit of plausible deniability our founding fathers had in mind.
You’re a great American. No, YOU are a great American. No, no, YOU are a great American. Hey. what say we volunteer to get waterboarded for charity? Great idea! I’m in.
Your comment reveals only one thing – cowardice.
4. KISS ME GOP:
Fill in the blanks GOP.
“Democrats are more independent, more creative than real Americans.”
People who want to throw out popular incumbents who don’t vote with you 100 percent of the time ie McCain for blowhards who would get destroyed in a General Election statewide (Hayworth) are shooting themselves in the foot. I’d much rather have a Scott Brown or Mark Kirk in an other wise extremely liberal state. Republicans are worse then liberals when it comes to doing damage to their own goals. Half a loaf is better then none at all, which is what you’ll get from the democrats.
John McCain is proud of his bipartisanship and ability to reach across the aisle, which, every time he does it, lurches this country further left. Here is how he does it: One of his friends from across the aisle has a “great” idea about how to transform America into a leftest “paradise”. McCain wants in (having only heard the word “paradise”) so he agrees to “provide the table” around which to hold the negotiations. His friend from across the aisle shows up and throws everything he brought with him on McCain’s table. McCain, being the cagey maverick that he his, insists that his friend remove a few things from the table and the friend complies. Presto, “bipartisanship”! Thus, the table is filled with all leftist ideas but McCain at least got them to remove a few. Now it’s off to the Rose Garden signing ceremony as our country continues lurching leftward. But at least McCain brought the table.
McCain is a POS RINO in a state we can elect a real conservative in. He needs to go.
As for some who think we would have been better off with McLaim as POTUS. I would say not really. It would have been four years of McLaim reaching out to the left and doing their bidding followed by obama or someone like him. Fortunately John..”Hey obama is a great guy and would make a fine president” McLaim lost and now we have a chance to really turn this country around as America and it’s good People regurgitate the left out of power as if the electorate swallowed a ocean full of ipecac.
The real point is such as McLaim need replaced with real conservative/libertaians when and ,in such areas, where we can do so.
Re: 9. skeeziks:
4. KISS ME GOP:
Fill in the blanks GOP.
“Democrats are more independent, more creative than real Americans.”
Best campaign line yet – “Democrats are not real Americans!”
Before any of this can happen the GOP needs to stop getting crushed. As long as the collectivists who have been “leading” are still leading the voters will continue to vote for others. As I type the liberal GOP leaders are still being treated like they are in fact the leaders of the GOP. To name sources: McCAin, Boehner, Steele, Graham….
Voters who care know haw far to the left these guys have voted the last 9 years and will no longer be swayed by their “Read my lips….!” “We have changed from far left to conservative.” That lie worked in 04 and not since.
The old Scotch folk saying that Abe was so fond of still works, “actions speak louder than words”
The actions of the men named mark them as collectivists not conservatives. Both start with “co” but that is all that is similar.
In his post, #3, RickGreenvilleSC asks why Mrs Palin is stumping for McCain?
Mrs Palin apparently believes she owes one-time North Vietnam and USSR Military Intelligence Adviser and life-time RINO, Mister McRainman a debt of some kind.
And her gratitude and the apparent loyalty it has engendered are endearing qualities. Among quilters and other sewing circle ladies.
But if Mrs Palin is to remain the candidate of the by-then Tea-Party taken-over and restored Republican Party, Mrs Palin will have to learn that now that national politics and has been taken over by we, the people and that we Americans are determined to rid ourselves of the yoke placed upon us by such enslaving statists as are personified in Mr McRainman, it will be necessary for her to put aside her niceness and to take up responsibility.
And duty.
C’mon, call them what they are RINOs!
Like Jim Jeffords, the establishment moved in and put everything behind him, they cut off any primary challange at the knees and made sure of his reelection.
Or Arlin Spectacle, the establishment moved in and put everything behind him, they cut off any primary challange at the knees and made sure of his reelection.
How did those work out again?
RINOs!
Support the Candidates this year. Tell the RNC to take a hike when they ask for funds. Send it directly to the candidates.
Do Not Feed the RINOs!
jd
This idea that HAyworth is conservative is absurd. Look at his record. He was a huge earmarker and loved pork almost as much as the senators from Alaska. he was constantly Delay’s lapdog and only repeated the standard Republican talking points. On spending shrinking of government McCain has always been a leader. DOn’t get me wrong, I think he was a self-center a$$ for oposing the Bush tax cuts and support campaign finance and cap and trade. In addition, he made me pull my hair out on the judges and the gang of 11, but Hyworth is not and never will be a Reagan conservative. He is a scary, small minded politician that doesn’t have an original thought or idea on how to govern.
Liberal jurisdictions like Mass and IL are going to put out candidates like Brown and Kirk. When a primary presents a chance to challenge a more moderate candidate with a conservative replacement, I will support the replacement.
McCain is a perfect example, he is outstanding regarding terrorism and is decent regarding spending, but he fails in so many other areas he needs to be replaced. Cap and Tax is the perfect example, as are his silly ideas regarding immigration reform. These pieces of legislation would be disasterous for our country. No authentic conservative would support them. Authentic conservatives would avoid the “Gang of 14″ too.
The reason the “progressives” are in such trouble is Americans don’t like the negative consequnces of their legislative agenda. I say let them pass some more of their Keynesian malarkey. The stalls are going to be cleaned out big time in November. Democrat internal polling is showing this to be likely.
Matt at 21,
What you say about Hayworth is correct. He, however, is not as destructive as McCain. McCain Feingold, immigration reform and Cap and Tax are instant disqualifiers with me. McCain needs to be retired. I like the idea of a gold watch and a parade that another commentator suggested.
By putting Sarah Palin on the ticket when almost no one had heard of her, McCain (who after all did win the primary) was in large part responsible for her present high visibility. I think Palin understands this, and it is reflected in her gesture of loyalty. Say what you will about McCain (I think the disgust for him here is a bit over the top), but I wish we had a president who was wrong half the time instead of wrong all the time.
Regardless of the uber-liberal RINOs, conservatives will continue voting for them because they bring home the bacon. Most people complain about the machinations of the members of congress but in reality they mean other people’s representatives. Their own are just fine, thank you.
The reason we keep getting the same old, same old is because most voters are selfish, thinking only of themselves. it’s way past time that we think for the whole and not our own little piece of it.
I’m just tired of the RINO talk. McCain is our Sentator here in AZ and we’re very happy with him. He’s not perfect, but we ran off Hayworth once before since he votes for all kinds of spending and has ethical issues. (we’ll run him off again; he’s just in this for easy publicity and free cash)
The trick in any electionis to elect the person running that is the MOST conservative. Not PERFECTLY conservative.
McCain is our AZ choice on that front and anyone from other States should get their own house in order.
My fav RINO of all time is Spector. He is like the last person to book passage on the Titanic. Good bye Arlen.
With Scott Brown, Snowe, Collins, Huckabee and Arnie running things at the next GOP convention, I cannot see where the southern/western zealots have much choice, specially the texans, they all got thrown out in 08…there job in 2010 and 012?…take notes. Good Luck to the RINO leadership !!
Having a sworn marxist as POTUS may just be the straw that, once removed from the camel’s back, saved it. If we had put McCain in we would have simply slipped over the top of the Bell curve and plummeted into oblivion.
At least now a lot of sleepy ignorant Americans are scared spitless and may actually start to think.
I wish ‘conservatives’ would realize our real foundational problem as a people and a nation are spiritual not political. No good politics flow from agnosticism or atheism. Only more rules, laws and more political backscratching.
John Adams knew this as well as most of the other Founding Fathers. A republic only functions within a moral and hence religious population. There is no other true soil within which morality can flourish than religion and Christianity is the religion of this land. Fact.
Have you seen the recent piece that Peter Beinart at The Daily Beast about the REAL Ronald Reagan (the one Republicans such as myself worked day in and day out to get elected)? Today Reagan would be denigrated as a RINO and could not even get elected dog-catcher. Maybe we need to admit that there is a nasty version of extreme conservative that has NOTHING to do with Reagan that has cropped up due to the web. If this purity talk continues, and good and honorable men like John McCain and Lindsey Graham are ejected from the party due to not being “pure”, then the Dems win and we lose our country.
Deliver us from the extreme right and their irrational and losing agenda. Give me the GOP of Ronald Reagan any old day!
I don’t mind being a Reagan Republican. Too bad the far right has thrown him under the bus. Reagan knew how to win elections. The far right only knows how to lose.
SJR
The Pink Flamingo
McCain MUST go. NO MORE half-fast RINOS wherever we can rid ourselves of them.
Sarah support McCain at your own peril. Send him flowers, maybe a video saying you like him or whatever. DO NOT CAMPAIGN FOR HIM. He is TOXIC to your supporters. We voted for YOU. Not him.
and t poster #30 – Reagan would NOT be a RINO to us. Stop trying to paint Tea Party Conservatives as extremists. Get off your butt and help us win with candidates that support the US Constitution and smaller (much smaller) government.
28. Which one of those is not like the other ones? Huckabee doesn’t fit in your group.
To 24. Eric Scheie:… I am reminded that Benedict Arnold was right half the time too. McLaim is like Spector.. could bat for the other team at any moment. America can get better out of Arizona.
To 26. Happyinaz:….. You sound like a troll. Remember the Keating Five? John McCain was the dirtiest of the bunch.
As for earmark spending folks. I am not upset with it at all. In fact many of the construction projects actually do some good for the economy. Truthfully earmark or pork barrel spending is not the problem. It is just a stalking horse. The amounts spent are truly insignificant in the larger picture. Something on the order of 20 billion a year in a 2-4 trillion budget is no large problem.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/federalbudgetprocess/a/porkdecade.htm
“The Decade in Pork
Ten Years of Ear Mark Spending
Notable Pork of the Past Decade
According to criteria established by the bi-partisan Citizens Against Government Waste, the U.S. Congress approved earmark spending projects worth over $208 billion during the last 10 years – 2000 through 2009. “
As I reflect on it, I think incumbency is more of a problem than party affiliation, especially with RINO republicans. While we cannot force the parties to put forth good candidates, we can decline to re-elect bad ones.
I may be too harsh on the american voter at times, as there are many issues where the incumbent party departs from the will of the american people–with apparent impunity for the most part.
SJR at 30,
Reagan stood as a plainly eloquent anti communist. His speeches in the 1960′s rallied conservatives after Goldwater’s defeat. He lowered marginal tax rates steeply. He was demonstrably anti regulation. He warned and then fired the PATCO fools. Their union was eventually decertified. He was a strident free market advocate. He shamelessly spoke for the unborn. He retooled our military capabilities post Vietnam. He got things done with a hostile Democrat Congress in power. He was obviously well to the right of the Bob Michel and Warren Rudman type Republicans.
Reagan had his missteps, Iran Contra being primary. He also failed to cut the size of government as much as he advocated should occur. However, his economic policies transformed a moribund economy to such an extent that the government’s consumption of GDP fell substantially as his 2nd term progressed.
His policies contributed to the success Clinton enjoyed as President, much as he would never admit it.
Reagan made our countries health substantially better after Nixon, Ford and Carter, and those corresponding Congress’s failed to do so.
Reagan was no Teddy Roosevelt progressive. I love the revisionists who want to now portray him as the second coming of FDR or Woodrow Wilson, or some such nonsense.
There is an element in this country that never accepted Reagan because he was not a Rockefeller Republican. Dave Frum and Dave Brooks speak for these resenters today. I am dumbfounded by their ignorance and jealousy. They dislike Reagan because he was authentic and effective. How petty is that?
You better believe that if Reagan were alive today his soulmates would be people like John Kyl, Paul Ryan, Jim Demint, Tom Coburn, and Michelle Bachman. That’s a damn conservative group of people and Reagan would fit right in with them.
I don’t know how old you are, but be careful of revisionist recasters, Ronald Reagan was a principaled conservative. He was the Margaret Thatcher of America.
reply to #30
Maybe it’s not so much the extreme right that runs the dog and pony show. Maybe it’s the MSM, who perpetuates the idea that all Republicans are extremists. When a large proportion of the media viewing public gets most of its news from the MSM, the accepted norm is that of Republicans, as right wing nuts.
Whereas the majority of conservatives, whether Republicans or Independents, are much more moderate than an extremist, but still right of center. It’s that space between RINO and Extreme that is the more likely position we should aspire to.
I consider a RINO to be just a tad better than a Dem or liberal because I believe most of our liberties are derived from a socially conservative stance. The extreme right is as much a hinderance to liberty, as are RINOs and most liberals in general.
True, McCain needs to go away. Hayworth is not conservative and would be more of the same. If Palin wants to participate in the Arizona senate election she might start with working on an appropriate replacement for McCain. Let’s hope the Tea Party movement steps up big time and comes up with the solution. The solution may turn out to be an Independent. Who know’s. It sure isn’t Hayworth.
eburchelli at 36,
Great point. Isn’t laughable because we happen to believe in the free market and the Constitution that we are some sort of nuts? The media makes us out as freaks because we believe what Madison, Washington, Jefferson,and Franklin believed in, along with Freidman and Laffer.
Their articulated “do goodism” actually exposes the extreme ignorance of the “progressives”, they don’t really know and understand the history of the republic they live in or why it has been so successful. They disdain the institutions that have made America the country everyone wants to emmigrate to because they have bought into the Marx/Engles lib crap they were force fed at college. It sounded good, it sounded alternative, so they ignored it’s path strewn with failure, misery and death and advocated that we needed to go in that direction.
I heard all that rationale in college too; experience and fact taught me to reject it.
The best summary I ever read on this subject said:
“If the Democrats proposed a bill to burn down the U.S. Capitol, the Republican response would be to offer a counter proposal to accomplish the same thing by means of a series of small fires.”
And that was in 1988, the Age of Reagan. In 1994 they had a brief period of backbone but slid downhill after that.
Speaking of worthless Republican “leadership”, when is anyone in the GOP going to start publicly calling BHO on his latest lies.
Just today on CNN I heard BHO claim that he “inherited” a $1.3T deficit. In fact in his Senatorial capacity as part of the Democrat Majority in Congress, or as President, he either voted for or signed every bill that comprises the current budget deficit.
He claimed that we should “trust” the Democrats’ fiscal policy – despite the dire warnings from the CBO – because the last time the budget was balanced, we had a Democrat president. He failed to mention that we had a Republican Congress. He also failed to mention that up until January of 2007, the revenue/spending trends based on bills passed by the Republican Congress and Bush had the government on track for a balanced budget by 10/08. That trend was erased when the Democrats took over Congress.
He also claimed that “the Democrats” left a $200B surplus in 2000. This is a lie on multiple levels. Congress – responsible for passing the budget – was controlled by the Republicans back then. The surplus was a function of a recovering economy (thanks to cap. gains tax reduction in ’97) and the leftover hyptertaxation that was reined in by the “Bush tax cuts” (which, contrary to popular myth, actually increased both the percent AND the amount of taxes paid by the so-called “rich”). And the peak surplus was $85B, not $200B. We won’t even go into the difference between Clinton’s and Bush’s respective average Debt-to-GDP ratios.
He claimed his administration was “forced” to spend $800B on what has turned out to be nothing but pork and political payoffs.
This is just GWB all over again. He ignored every single Democrat lie broadcast in the media, leaving the public no choice but to believe it must be true. Guess the current crop of Republican weenies are no different. Sad.
McCain helped to get Scott Brown elected in MA. And for that work…the purist want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Since when did we all agree the to the far fringe “purity” test? And, how did that work in the last election?
Reagan would be telling those “purists” to sit down and shut up.
Before you call someone a RINO…ask what Reagan would do and vote for the most conservative canidate running…and in Az that will be McCain and he will stomp that crooked, lying Hayworth into the ground.
John McCain is worse than a RINO, nor can he even be called a political opportunist. At his core, he simply takes delight in being stubborn and/or contrarian. Inevitably, he makes deals with his opponents and turns on his friends, to the detriment of everyone. It is long past time that he retire, but in lieu of that he must be voted out of office at the earliest opportunity, never to return to public service.
There is such as thing as a Conservative philosophy with concommitant strategy and tactics. Rest assured, John McCain will never understand it.
My greatest fear at the moment is that the Tea parties will come to feel that the Republican Party cannot be reformed from a Big Government supporting to Small Government supporting party. And so form a new political party that will split the vote on the right, and there by hand political power to the Democrats for years to come. Even one more Scozzafava in the face of this level of anger, is more risk than I want to take.
Here is the only change we need. The 28th Amendment to the US Constitution “The Governmental Burden on the Economy may not exceed 15% of GDP”
I suggest to J. Robert Smith and to all that the reason John McCain has opened up a healthy lead over J.D. Hayworth is that the Republicans of Arizona have taken a good look at the two candidates and are supporting McCain in increasing numbers, as they ought.
Smith is wrong to group McCain with the likes of Snowe, Collins and Voinovich as if McCain has a liberal voting record. Historically, McCain’s voting record overall is rated moderately conservative by the ACU, he is pro-life and he has been and is a fiscal conservative, consistently opposing out-of-control federal spending and earmarks. McCain’s voting record in 2009 is as conservative a voting record as you could ask for. He voted AGAINST every Obama bailout bill (and even voted against the second release of TARP monies when Bush was still President in late 2008). McCain voted AGAINST every Obama spending bill, denouncing Obama’s multi-trillion dollar deficit spending as “generational theft.” McCain voted AGAINST the confirmations of tax cheat Geithner, radical pro-abortion advocate Sibellius, leftist attorney Kagan and transnational advocate Koh to their respective positions in the Obama Administration. McCain voted AGAINST the confirmation of Sotomayer to the U.S. Supreme Court. McCain voted AGAINST ObamaCare and was attacked by the New York Times for throwing bombs on the subject. McCain has announced that he will vote AGAINST this year’s cap and trade bill and has vigorously attacked Obama’s latest budget.
Further, McCain has been and is still is one of the more knowledgeable persons around concerning foreign policy, military matters and national security. He was right about the Iraq War when even many Republicans went wobbly and fought off Democrat led efforts to cut off funding our troops in the field in Iraq; McCain was right to attack Obama for dithering about committing to General McChrystal’s plan for Afghanistan and for not supporting the Iranian dissidents; McCain was right to atack AG Holder over planning to hold civilian trials of KSM and four other radical Islamic terrorists. McCain has been right because he knows his stuff when it comes to Commander in Chief decisions. On top of it all, McCain was a combat naval aviator, the son and grandson of U.S. Navy Admirals and a genuine war hero; his campaign theme of “Country First” reflected a family tradition of military service continuing with one son who is a Marine who has served several tours of duty in Iraq and another son who serves in the Navy; John McCain’s discussion of serving with a servant’s heart was and is genuine.
J.D. Hayworth does not compare. And Obama? You have in Obama a narcissist President who is a radical socialist, a former community organizer and someone lacking in knowledge and experience in foreign policy, military matters and national security.
40. goy:
Just today on CNN I heard BHO claim that he “inherited” a $1.3T deficit.
Gee, goy, got a statement stuck in your craw? You think it’s inaccurate? And yet people keep saying it. And you just can’t believe that the truth, which happens to be the same as your opinion, isn’t breaking through. Why won’t people open their eyes and see the truth? And why would anyone intentionally misrepresent something for cheap political gain?
goy, goy, goy . . . goy, goy, goy . . . my wonderful, zany, starry eyed equivocator . . . my little soldier . . . my sharona . . . so glittering in your pastiche of principles . . . thank you for showing us that if you can’t be a good example, at least you can be a horrible warning.
Well done!
Hail Rush. Go Sarah!
We can never again let the lame stream media chose the people chose to election. The primary process must be changed or discounted. The media
chose Macain not the people. If we must we will write in our choice.
@46. “skeeziks”: – …people keep saying it…
Heh. I post the facts, you post unsupported hearsay.
Who could possibly have seen that coming.
I mean… besides everyone.
Two things I’m most looking forward to this spring; Spring Training & the Hayworth/McCain primary shoot out at the Maricopa Corral.
to 45. Phil Byler: – “…the reason John McCain has opened up a healthy lead…” What? This party hasn’t hardly got started. This race isn’t about J.D. Hayworth – it’s about McCain. Is he still embraced by this state? A state that’s been riven by immigration issues for the past 10 years – and is in horrible economic shape – the subsequent skirmishes helping explain the current clash between the Sheriff & the County Gov now that we are two years deep in budget crises.
Besides being a state with two senators high up on the statesmanship mantle.
Sure I respect John McCain. But I have much more regard for John Kyle – because of what he’s done for AZ – and the country – since winning office. Also, Kyle handled his recent challenge by a well financed (the Dem party chair- millionair devoloper Peterson) in ’06. Arizonian’s embraced Kyle by a wide margin in a year when conservatives got slaughtered.
But John McCain hasn’t faced a real race in over twenty years. This state has changed a lot during those years – not just the latino invasion – but a lot of in-migration California folks fleeing the failed liberalism there. And McCain’s run for Prez twice in that time. Has he neglected his home state obligations when doing so? Just the kind of question a primary challenge answers.
There are those who view Arizona as heading closer to Cali-lite & New Mexico blue rather than it’s paternatural state of Goldwater Red. These folks point to the current Dem Caucus majority in our congressional ranks – and claim it as the accomplishment of the Napolitano tenure. (sure and she boogied off to Obama land and left this state a complete mess!)
They say it’s ‘back to the future’ here in AZ – to the days of the 60′s & 70′s when Dems held the statehouse AND the Governors mansion.
TO 23. Samizdat: “Matt at 21,
What you say about Hayworth is correct…” What? I can tell you unequivocally that Hayworth is not viewed this way in Az. By any measure he IS EMBRACED by the hard right here. Most people feel Randy Pullen leans to J.D.’S LEFT! Likewise when reviewing his score card be it the Tax Payers Union to CPAC – so you knuckleheads are either on a hit squad or moronic out to lunch.
JD will have the money to challenge McCain – because plenty of people what to see it – period. It’s up to McCain to prove to voters he deserves to continue playing maverick elder statesman. At his age, with all due props to his Vietnam sacrifice, is he still vital enough?
This ain’t bean bag. This is politics. And the electorate here is in a foul mood – like they are most places. It’s very much a what have you done FOR ME lately kind of cycle.
And one last thing. I know in my heart why Hayworth decided to make this run. Just look at the Obama/McCain election results for the presidential – and don’t just look at Maricopa county – look at the WHOLE STATE.
If you try and sell me that those election numbers look like this State is crazy for Jonnie then Al Gore would have taken Tennessee (and the W.House) with no need of a Supreme Court ruling in 2000.
McCain is in for the race of his career and he knows it. J.D. Hayworth can run loose as a goose – because even if he doesn’t pull off the improbable and actually win – he will either re-invigorate a career interruptus – or – find a new one besides barking on Talk Radio.
McCain needs to sell Arizona voters on why he should be their man in Arena. Everybody knows what hes about – and how he got there. It is a very simple question. Why should we keep him?
As for J.D. He doesn’t need to be the second coming of Reagan – all he has to be is a competent and attractive alternative.
Time to move on John McCain.
48. goy:
Oh my my my . . . such truculence. Are you suggesting that the CNN report containing Obama’s fact is the only place that fact is being discussed? Are you suggesting my reference to others offering that same fact – “people keep saying it” – is inaccurate? I hear many many people referring to this fact in many different media outlets. Is that the hearsay to which you refer? I hope not, because such a claim really makes no sense. If anything you should thank me for pointing to its many references. If not, what WILL you do with that MSM meme in your front pocket you so fondly fondle?
Oh, goy . . . you have such potential. It’s a pity you waste it on self-aggrandizing defensiveness. I suggest you stop fronting for the dissembling machine of right wing ignorance farmers and evolve to a higher state of vision. We may have use for someone like you in our kitchen.
My how fickle the right can be. Just a year ago you were willing to put him in the White House. Now you want to put him out to pasture. You want him to quit. Well, we know how much you respect a quitter. So maybe if he quits, you can see your way clear to supporting him.
“The only way to win is to quit!” Ah, conservative consistency. I love it I just hope none of you are coaching your kids’ sports teams.
#26 Happyinaz, you say:
“I’m just tired of the RINO talk. McCain is our Sentator here in AZ and we’re very happy with him. He’s not perfect . . .”
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You do what you want, Happy, but this Arizonan will not be voting for RINO, you heard me, RINO McCain.
Richard Epstein, noted legal scholar and author has this to say about our choices in the general elections: They’re just “two members of the same statist party fighting over whose friends will get favors.”
If instead of walking across the aisle to JOIN his progressive colleagues in their latest liberty-destroying efforts, McCain had walked across the aisle and led them back — to our side — with the goal of working together to produce liberty-promoting and Founding-principle faithful legislation we wouldn’t be having this conversation now, would we?
Retire McCain Now! We can — and will — impose term limits, at the ballot box.
@51. “skeeziks”: – …you should thank me for pointing to its many references.
How about this… I’ll thank you for demonstrating what an unrepentant liar you are: you didn’t point to any references, as anyone can plainly see by reading your comment. Even you.
As far as what “people keep saying”, people have been debunking BHO’s lie since he first started uttering it.
BHO’s malignant narcissism has anesthetized his memory, and yours. He is simply lying about the deficit to try to make himself look competent and to heap political “blame” on Bush and Republicans, generally. He knows his lap dogs in the media won’t call him on it. That’s all you need to know. You now have my permission to scroll down and write another in your unending litany of sexually repressed, mentally masturbatory responses, since you’re incapable of actually learning anything.
For the rest of those who may be interested, here are the facts…
Congress votes on and passes the federal budget. What the President finally gets to sign is determined by Congress. The performance of the budget is, therefore, a function of the Congressional majority.
Clinton, his apologists and Democrats, generally, falsely take credit for the nominal surplus on the books when Bush took office. After eliminating the non-discretionary (e.g., Social Security) portion of the money in the Treasury, that surplus was somewhere between $45B and $86B, depending on which accounting rules one uses - not “$200B” as BHO falsely exaggerates every time he has a camera stuck in his face.
Meanwhile, BHO is being disingenuous at best when he claims America should trust the Democrats’ fiscal policy simply because we had a Democrat president last time the budget was balanced: ALL of the federal budgets that produced a surplus at the end of the millennium were passed by a Congress with a Republican majority.
The abrupt recession that followed 9/11, which put the government back into a deficit, was historically short thanks to tax changes passed by the Republican majority in Congress. By 2005 – after only two years – changes in the tax laws had resulted in recovery and economic growth that was producing all-time record high tax revenue.
In 2006, unjustified federal spending was still increasing due to “compassionate conservatism” – i.e., Socialism Lite® – and a shift in Republican party politics that led them to try to “out-left” the left, domestically, because of all the baseless attacks they were enduring for actually doing the job the Constitution gives them the authority to do (i.e., … provide for the common Defence …).
Even with that, revenue was increasing faster. As far as inheritance goes, when the Democrat majority took over Congress at the beginning of 2007 they inherited revenue and spending trends that had the federal government on track for a balanced budget (and subsequent surplus) by some time in late 2008. But the Democrats’ suicidal energy policies, which fueled the economy-strangling oil price bubble (eventually popped by Bush via EO on 7/14/08), and their demonstrated animus to American business (signaled by one of their first official acts – passing a Minimum Wage Hike) slowed and eventually stopped economic growth in its tracks. By the time the credit crisis imploded (miraculously, at exactly the point where McCain took a lead in the polls), the Democrat majority in Congress had succeeded in torpedoing what had been a growing economy and derailed a government that had been on track for solvency. Yet BHO claims we should “trust” the Democrats’ fiscal policy.
As far as BHO’s Big Lie is concerned, during that time BHO voted for practically every deficit-increasing budget passed by Congress – including war funding, TARP** and the auto bailouts (which, of course, the Democrats had wanted to make even bigger).
After he took office, BHO signed into law deficit spending that ultimately jacked the deficit up to the famous $1.3T he falsely and absurdly claims he “inherited”. He then supported and signed legislation that increased the deficit even further – by an amount roughly equal to the actual deficit that existed when he took office (~$460B).
So the fact BHO is hiding with his lie is this: he actively supported increasing the deficit in every way that it was physically possible for him to do so. The narcissistic fantasy he peddles – that he burst on the scene out of nowhere, “walked in the door” and found this deficit inexplicably standing there – is the very height of willful deceit.
But here’s the more interesting part – the part that BHO’s blindly parroted lie is intended to hide: since taking the reins of Congress in 2007 – when they inherited a government on track for a balanced budget by late 2008 – Congressional Democrats led by Pelosi and Reid have succeeded not only in torpedoing a growing economy, but have also exploded the federal deficit from $160B to $1.6T – AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE – in only three years!
The last federal budget passed by a Congressional Republican majority led to a $160 BILLION deficit (2007). That’s shameful at first glance, until one realizes that deficits produced by Republican majority budgets were headed downward, not upward: in the wake of 9/11 and the ensuing recession, the Republican deficits for 2004 through 2007 were $413B, $318B, $248B and $160B, respectively. A clear, fiscally responsible trend.
But when the Republican majority was voted out of office – after a relentless, multi-year barrage of Left Wing Media lies about everything from the economy, to lying Joe Wilson IV, to Israel, to the situation in Iraq – that trend was reversed. The first budget passed by Congressional Democrats in 2008 tripled the deficit. The next one, passed by the Democrat Congress, more than tripled that one.
This year, BHO’s proposed budget – which will no doubt be passed by the Democrat majority – will produce a deficit of at least $1.6 TRILLION. A clear, fiscally insane trend.
And we’re supposed to trust Democrat fiscal policy? LOL!!!!
BHO is lying about ALL of this. Just as he lies about anything else he thinks he can get away with because he knows The Left Wing Media will give him cover on it. As usual.
And on topic, the RNC/GOP “leadership” – people like McCain – are nowhere to be found in bringing these facts to public awareness. As usual.
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** TARP is often erroneously added to the deficit left at the end of Bush’s last term. TARP was not “spending” in the sense that one normally thinks of government spending, i.e., money that the government will never get back. TARP was a short-term loan made to the banking industry, and most of it – $500B or more – had already been paid back by the end of last month.
As we purge the RINOs, let us not forget the many fiscal sins of massive frauds like Sarah Palin:
http://www.aolnews.com/politics/article/alaskans-ready-to-move-on-from-sarah-palin-mania/19341641
“. . . Alice Massie, president of the Alaska Federation of Republican Women, said that despite what people from “outside” say, Palin is no conservative. Massie notes that as governor, Palin worked with Democratic legislators to pass an oil company tax that her fellow Republicans opposed. And despite the Tea Party movement’s infatuation with Palin, Massie disputes her reputation as a budget hawk, noting that as mayor she plunged Wasilla into debt. . . .
Moments earlier, another woman, who called herself a conservative Republican, spoke incredulously about the “cynicism” of national Republicans in choosing someone clearly unqualified for the vice presidency. “How in the world could they?” she asked. “The phenomenon of Sarah Palin exists because people are uninformed politically.”
@55. Hancock Reloaded: – As we purge the RINOs …
Heh. “We”? Conservatives will be purging the RINOs, thanks – if they are indeed ever purged.
OFA provocateurs who reference blather favored by the perpetually insane Andrew Sullivan, and who copy/paste leftist drivel about Sarah Palin sourced using dubious “polling” organizations, are not part of that “we”.
..”And on topic, the RNC/GOP “leadership” – people like McCain – are nowhere to be found in bringing these facts to public awareness. As usual…”
Wait a minute. Do you work for OsterGAG in OMB? Because you sound a lot like it. If, as you say, the Tom Delay led congressional majority was so fiscally repsonsible – “Republican deficits for 2004 through 2007 were $413B, $318B, $248B and $160B… A clear, fiscally responsible trend” – Why in your view did Republicans lose congress?
Sure, the MSM was compliant in assisting Dems when it came to excoriating Bush – particularly on Iraq. But only because Bush was so poorly served (and refused to fire anyone responsible) when executing the war.
By claiming such outlandish bull – you are living in the past Goy. It stunk when dingbats like Fred Barnes were trying to sell such clap trap with his REBEL-IN-CHIEF homage in ’06. Why would anybody listen now just because you insist ‘it’s the truth’ – look it up?
So much of the war was being ‘charged’ – NOT EVEN PAID FOR! – outside of the congressional budget. This is what passes for ‘accounting’ in Washington. Even the suggestion that the Gingrich led folks ‘balanced’ anything is spurious.
The Gingrich led majority did give us the prosperous ninties – on this we can agree. Of course Obama is a liar- again a point of agreement. But as his recent trashing performance proves – done in OUR HOSUE at the invitation of Bonner, Pense, & Cantor – he’s a very gifted liar who holds the presidency – and thus a political force de jur.
The president was treated with the utmost civility and respect at this C-Span televised event – and what did he do? He did what he always does in front of a camera – put on the political spectacle and the facts be damned.
Bush came into office under a cloud – and once he gained a congressional majority – and – 9/11 transformed his mission in office – he abdicated fiscal sanity – both at home and abroad.
His Father put together a coalition to fight Desert Storm – the europeans and Japanese helped us pay for that war. Not so after 9/11 – for many different reasons – not the least of which was how much money the europeans were making with Sadass in power.
With the Runsfeld/Cheney led privatization of the military – where we’ve had between a three to one or two to one ratio of contractors to military from day one – the Bush/Delay governing vision proved WRONG WRONG WRONG!
IT WAS BAD FOR THE COUNTRY AND RUNIOUS FOR OUR PARTY. Which, by the way was why the people kicked the Republican majority to the curb in ’06 buddy. And here you go again Goy – trying to make a run at setting the ‘historical’ record straight with some lengthy digression that completely misses the reality on the ground for some fog of war ancient argument.
And I and other should listen to you try and sell that it’s the ‘so called leadership’ now!!!
We area all living in the aftermath of the destruction of the Republican party by George Bush and Tom Delay – not that different from a couple of years removed from Katrina as if we lived in the 9th Ward when she roared in.
You can go on cutting and pasting your version of the facts from 2000 on until TARP became a dreaded reality, sounding like a barely on the wagon alcoholic ranting on a dry drunk at an AA meeting.
The rest of us are more interested with pressing concerns, like defeating Obamination.
54. goy:
gooooooooooooooy . . . You simply must read more carefully. My original post (#46), the one that sent you into a thin tizzy, had to do with the frustration of people repeating “facts” that you regard to be “lies.” Here, let me make it super obvious . . . death panels. There you go. Re-read #46 and go “Oh.”
As for your vaunted sources, I offer this case study in how right wing extremists bunk and debunk things (like budget “proof” from the Bush years that don’t include $800 billion in supplementals for the war or unfunded tax cuts and pharma deals). You’re familiar with John Fund, I’m sure. Well, this paragon of conservative virtue offers a a crystalline glimpse into this practice you so willfully ignore. Enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Audjt-Y6xWw&feature=player_embedded
(invoice attached)
@57. Phoenix48: – Why in your view did Republicans lose congress?
Anyone paying attention throughout Bush’s administration knows why the Republicans lost Congress. The Democrats and the Left Wing Media took every conceivable opportunity to attack them – misrepresenting the economy, the situation in Iraq, the abysmal State and local response to Katrina, privatization of S.S., the facts that led up to the war… name a significant issue. It started when the New York Times cheerfully published Joe Wilson IV’s lies and it got steadily more shrill from there until the miraculously well-timed credit meltdown 5+ years later.
And in response the world heard… nothing.
But of course that’s an entirely different issue (why the Republicans lost Congress). And the fact that you’re trying to steer the discussion AWAY from a dissection of BHO’s serial lies makes one wonder who you’re working for? OFA? ACORN? Soros? Do tell.
- Sure, the MSM was compliant in assisting Dems when it came to excoriating Bush …
This is a laugh riot. Were you even conscious during the years 2004-2008?
The Left Wing Media wasn’t merely “compliant”, sport, they were leading the charge: exposing national security secrets, openly discussing the best ways to defeat our troops’ technology, misrepresenting the “warrantless wiretap” issue, hyperventilating over Korans in toilets, attacking Gonzales for doing exactly what Clinton’s AG had done under slightly different timing parameters, daily misrepresenting every factoid that leaked from Fitzgerald’s years-long fishing-expedition-cum-politically-motivated-administration-witch-hunt, completely ignoring ANYTHING positive that occurred in Iraq, parroting the absurd and scientifically fraudulent claims about computer-modeled predictions of civilians killed in Iraq, pumping up the myth of the “back door draft”, virtually canonizing Giuliana Sgrena, committing outright photographic fraud, going relentlessly apoplectic over an isolated incident at Abu Ghraib, Eason Jordan’s hysterical, cowardly, slanderous attacks against American forces… and that’s just what I can recall off the top of my head. It went on day and night, non-stop, for 5 straight years. “Compliant” doesn’t even begin to describe it.
- By claiming such outlandish bull …
Which “outlandish bull” is this, exactly? The facts are the facts. BHO has openly lied about the Democrats’ fiscal policy.
- … here you go again Goy – trying to make a run at setting the ‘historical’ record straight with some lengthy digression …
Hardly. But obviously what I wrote struck a raw nerve in your brain. The record is the record. And pointing to that record so that people understand how and why we suddenly find ourselves with a prevaricating, marxist president is a perfectly valid aspect of correcting the situation.
- We area all living in the aftermath of the destruction of the Republican party by George Bush and Tom Delay …
Exactly. And supporting people who are functionally and morally equivalent isn’t going to reverse that outcome.
- The rest of us are more interested with pressing concerns, like defeating Obamination.
Really? Because from the looks of things, and scanning a sample of your posts on this site, it appears that what you’re really interested in is just another cycle of the pendulum. Like Rick Moran. Part of defeating BHO and his ilk involves demonstrating their consistently deceitful behavior. Lying about and blaming the world’s ills on Bush has worked for the Democrats for 7 years – partly because of useful idiots like you who’ve clearly bought into every Left Wing Media lie about his management of the war, for instance. It’s a winning formula for them. It will go ON working with a significant portion of the electorate as long as the Republican leadership continues to shirk its responsibility to respond to those lies. And none of your half-as-much attempts to mimic “skeeziks”‘ colorful but ultimately impotent slander are going to change that.
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@58. “skeeziks”: – Re-read #46 and go “Oh.”
Why? Even if your backpedaling attempt at deflection were to be given full credit, the comment you refer to wasn’t made by the President of the United States. Unable to defend BHO’s lie, you now try to deflect to someone else. Someone you fear. Lame.
What’s more, you picked a pretty self-defeating example. Despite some people’s opinion that Palin’s choice of terms was hyperbolic, it wasn’t inaccurate, let alone a lie. A group of unelected bureaucrats who will determine your chances of receiving adequate health care is certainly a “death panel”… to someone facing imminent demise if – according to policy advisers like eugenicist Zeke Emanuel – they fall into an age group like “the youngest and oldest people [who] get chances that are attenuated.”
“Attenuated”. Gotta love the nuance.
Conversely, a $46B surplus is most definitely NOT a “$200B” surplus, Clinton was not responsible for the surplus left behind at the end of this second term, and BHO did not “inherit” a $1.3T deficit.
- As for your vaunted sources, …
The federal government is the federal government. You want to label it a “vaunted source”, hey, that’s your choice. That doesn’t change the facts any more than your attempt to change the subject by linking to a video of a public tirade by a career criminal with a speech impediment who should be serving time in federal prison for criminal malfeasance as a function of his part in causing the Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac meltdown.
goybel
Leave it to a conservative to try to characterize lack of comprehension in themselves as deflection in others. Isn’t that . . . what’s the word . . . deflection? Now, to John Fund and the right wing media traitors . . . what choice do you have but to ignore their behavior? None. Unless, of course, you’re crafting another one of your dissembling screeds of debunked talking points. You’ve bought into, and been bought by, the cheap lies that define your political philosophy.
John Fund blatantly lies. Right wing extremists knowingly repeat the lies. Idiot conservative tea baggers believe the lies. You’re being played for patsies and you need to look no further than Nashville to see it. But you won’t, because you’d have to admit you’re a patsy, and we know what an important thing “appearance” is to conservatives. Wait, did I say important thing? No, it’s the only thing. Kind of like, oh what would be a good example . . . here’s one . . . George Bush telling the world in August he’s quitting golf in honor of our fallen soldiers only to be photographed playing 5 months later in October. It’s the same brand of sociopathy exhibited by John Fund in that video, the truth of which you are desperately afraid to address.
You see, goy, the right has a pathological avoidance of accountability. Here, from you . . . “That doesn’t change the facts any more than your attempt to change the subject . . . ”
Change the subject? I believe the subject was how lies get into the public arena. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not confused by your deflection, just disappointed. I’m afraid I have to withdraw that offer of a job in our kitchen. We gave it to a different retard.
@60. “skeeziks”: – John Fund blatantly lies.
Heh. Does he? Well what a coincidence – so do you. See above.
Yes, you’re trying desperately to change the subject.
- I believe the subject was how lies get into the public arena.
Well then you’re obviously the one who needs to pay better attention. Or cut back a tad on the vino. That’s just the subject you tried to derail the discussion onto. You failed. As usual.
Let us know when you figure out how to make a $46B – or even an $86B – surplus equal to a $200B surplus, or you figure out how BHO “inherited” a deficit that he personally made every every to run up as high as possible.
61. goy:
That’s just the subject you tried to derail the discussion onto.
No, that’s where the discussion started, with my post at #46. Where you wanted to take it is irrelevant to me. Remember, you responded to my post, which came before your post. Study that relationship. Consider it a math problem. “If skeeziks leaves Balitmore in a Gulfstream V, and goy leaves Nashville jacking a railroad pump car, who will arrive in Wasilla first?”
Let me know when you’re ready to address John Fund and your other heroic conservative media truthsayers. (And if you’re hell bent on changing the subject to something YOU want to talk about, because after all, it’s all about YOU, throw in those war supplementals and unfunded tax breaks for the rich and the pharma deal.
Heh.
…in which “skeeziks” get schooled. And pwned. Again… oh wait… that’s again.
@62. “skeeziks”: – …that’s where the discussion started, with my post at #46. Remember, you responded to my post…
Really!? THAT’s your final answer?
You need to get new glasses or, better yet, get your doctor to prescribe a different antidepressant medication that doesn’t destroy so many brain cells because – as always – your meth-soaked brain has it backward.
My initial comments above – #10 and #40 – were not a response to you or anyone else (uhm… try actually reading them next time). And the reality in #46 – no surprise – is that YOU RESPONDED TO MY COMMENT, which – clearly – was about lacking RNC/GOP leadership in exposing of BHO’s serial lies. (schooled)
Heh… heheheh… now… [r]e-read #46 and go “Oh.” Then tell us all about “lack of comprehension”. (pwned)
Sorry, putzie, you can duct tape your willfully blind eyes shut, stick more gum in your ears and yell “LALALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU LALALALALALA NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME LALALALALALA” all you want, but your unbridled narcissism doesn’t give you the authority to ignore what’s clearly recorded above, much less to just redirect the conversation on a whim into whatever direction you deem beneficial to your lying, disgraced idol and his thoroughly discredited ideology.
Next time you want to deflect, using some nebulous and ultimately meaningless – unsourced – hearsay about what “people keep saying” OR an irrelevant foray into what John Fund has or has not done/said/written, you’ll just have to create another new sockpuppet and have that conversation with yourself.
Meanwhile, keep twisting in that breeze, nimrod. Sooner or later someone will happen along and cut you down. Maybe. While you’re hanging there, feel free to while away the hours thinking about ways to make a $46B – or even an $86B – surplus equal to a $200B surplus, or how BHO “inherited” a deficit that he personally made every every to run up as high as possible.
63. goy:
goysenberry . . . Fund? Supplementals? Still waiting. At least you’re willing to admit that Bush inherited a surplus and bequeathed a $1.3 T deficit. I’ll be waiting for you in Wasilla.
59. goy: @57. Phoenix48: – Why in your view did Republicans lose congress?
“….Anyone paying attention throughout Bush’s administration knows why the Republicans lost Congress. The Democrats and the Left Wing Media took every conceivable opportunity to attack them …”
Wrong Wrong Wrong. Adolescent anger management is what you need Goy – truly a job for a professional. REPUBLICANS LOST. They lost their principles, they lost their way, and they did so while governing, making the ground fertile for a leftist takeover. What you offer as an explanation is nothing more than an excuse. This is what teenagers do. Throw a fit and point fingers.
According to you the only real mistake the Bush administration made was not fighting back? In this way they (and thus the rest of us) became victims of the craven thirst for power by Democrats and their extensive lie machine?
Living in Arizona made it easier to recognize the destructive force of Tom Delay’s architecture when directing his POX REPUBLICANIA via the K Street experiment and crony capitalism. It was because of excellent congressional representation from Jeff Flake, John Shadegg, and Trent Franks. In fact, of our representatives J.D. Hayworth was most seduced by the Hammer – and he paid a price for it; it remains to be seen in his up coming how much he learned.
I always will admire George W Bush. But his presidency was consumed by a necessary war badly fought. Likewise there is a major difference when it comes to moving on and feeling compelled to make excuses for what he did wrong. I don’t see that you recognize that difference. At all. A much worse transgression than…’don’t just do something … stand there!’
Bush could have made different choices. Adults can recognize this and still admire him.
He could have enlisted the American people in making real sacrifices to fund the war – not just insisting that military families shoulder its weight. Likewise he could have compelled American Corporations – but he didn’t. Sure – the tax cuts were right – but – how come everything changed after 9/11 except economic policy?
Bush believed that out sourcing the war to private contracting was good foreign policy and good domestic policy. It wasn’t – it was instrumental in tanking the economy. Because the fantastic earning years during his reigns were a complete illusion for millions of Americans Goy. A mirage. Fake. Unreal. Many lost everything when the bubbles burst. Where were you?
THIS IS WHY REPUBLICANS GOT KICKED OUT OF CONGRESSIONAL MAJORITIES, and why voters later bought into the Liar in Chief as the great Messiah. Not because Bush and Cheney were too tepid when fighting back the press.
Bush always used the war as an excuse to spend like a drunken sailor; it’s a temporary ‘spike’ – due to the war – critics were scolded. It’s less than 9 then later 15 or 20% of GDP – so yada yada yada – no big threat. All of his signature policy successes – No Child/The Farm Bill/Prescription Drug – were all financial boondoggles. A complete repudiation of fiscal restraint and limited government. The same kind of lame arguments your pushing. Excuses.
The response to criticisms at the time was always the same – the American economy can shoulder it ….and then the unthinkable …imploding American real estate valuations.
JUST THE BASIS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S SAVINGS/WEALTH FOR POST WWII GENERATIONS! This wasn’t some bump in the road – and it’s still too recent for dismissive clucks like you to gloss it over.
By the time that Katrina blew in – effectively ending his presidency – Bush was three full years into transforming our economy – a transformation coming as it did after Sarbanes Oxley and the finance scandals which greeted him before 9/11 – mainly through Homeland Security – mimicking Truman when mapping and creating the infrastructure to fight the war on terror just as we did the cold war sixty years before.
While all this seemed sensible at the time it proved very expensive. And as much as we all want to blame Democrats – and there is plenty they deserve (some well itemized by you) it happened on W’s watch – most while he had Denny Hastert & Hammer running the show.
AND FINALLY; “And the fact that you’re trying to steer the discussion AWAY from a dissection of BHO’s serial lies makes one wonder…” again with the whinny adolescent punk hyperventilating. To disagree with the Goy’s version is tantamount to becoming a sleeper agent for Soros?
Adults face facts Goy. Every one is coming from somewhere and going somewhere. You insist we stay in RINO hunting mode because you say what is needed is winnowing and rebuilding. I don’t agree.
This isn’t petulant and confused children nappy time. Entertain yourself with being the angriest and ‘smartest’ boy in the chat room all you like. You are wrong wrong wrong. These are adult problems requiring adults to handle them.
@64. “skeeziks”: – Fund? Supplementals?
Take it up with “Moho”, putzie.
- Still waiting.
Of course you are, d!psh!t, you’re blind, deaf and dumb to the truth (see above). Look at your own post – you’re still trying to change the subject away from BHO’s embarrassing serial lies.
- … Bush inherited a surplus
Oh, Bush inherited plenty, thanks for bringing it up.
When he took office, Bush ‘inherited’ less than half the transition time allowed other Presidents-elect. He also inherited an ongoing war and ticking timebomb in Iraq that went unresolved for the entire duration of Clinton’s two terms; an economy sliding into recession; a Fifth Column media that went as far as committing open treason in a time of war while misrepresenting and attacking every aspect of his administration; a fractured intelligence organization that treated terrorist enemy combatants as a law enforcement problem; a CIA littered with partisan traitors like Valerie Plame; an untenable WMD inspection fiasco run by a corrupt U.N.; the aftermath of the Cole attack; nations like Iran, Iraq, Libya and North Korea pursuing nuclear weapons; a resurgent intifada; a nation thoroughly humiliated by foreign policy screw-ups like Mogadishu and domestic scandals stemming from admitted lies about Oval Office BJs; an Osama bin Laden on the loose rather than taken into custody when his predecessor had the chance to do so; a terrorist plot that killed almost 3,000 civilians, and which had been ongoing under the nose of the Clinton Administration for almost 5 years. And, oh yes… along with that declining economy – and contrary to BHO’s consistently deceitful exaggeration – he inherited a Treasury surplus of somewhere between $45B and $86B.
… and bequeathed a $1.3 T deficit.
Nope. But he did bequeath a few other things.
Looking back at Bush’s two terms, we see personal, disposable income which grew 9% during his first six years (until the Democrats took over Congress); an historically short, shallow recession; >3% real GDP growth from 2003-2006 (until the Democrats took over Congress); consistent quarterly economic growth (until the Democrats took over Congress); an unemployment rate that remained under 6.3% and averaged 5.2% (until the Democrats took over Congress); an al Qaeda decimated and on the run (despite the partisan efforts, lies, obfuscation and quisling rhetoric of the Democrats in Congress); an Iraq freed of a homicidal tyrant (ditto) and pacified to the point where all BHO has to do now is withdraw troops; a year-on-year declining deficit from 2004 through 2007 (until the Democrats took over Congress); and an end-of-term $460B deficit, which BHO inherited along with TARP (now mostly reimbursed).
- I’ll be waiting for you in Wasilla.
With Andrew Sullivan. Reporting from somewhere in Sarah Palin’s uterus. Enjoy irrelevance.
@65. Phoenix48: – REPUBLICANS LOST. Blah, blah, blah…
None of what you’ve written here in any way obviates the toll The Left Wing Media’s lies have taken on this nation, sport. I’m sure you’d simply like to ignore all of their treasonous transgressions and focus your abundant, reason-crippling rage on a few select Republicans you’ve chosen to hate. That doesn’t change the facts. What I offered was verifiable. If you want to call it “pointing fingers”, that’s your prerogative. Name-calling is what teenagers do.
- According to you the only real mistake the Bush administration made…
No. That’s according to you. I’ll thank you to keep your straw men to yourself.
As I have already written – and you clearly did not comprehend or bother to read – the Bush administration and the Republicans in general tried to “out-left” the left through quasi-socialist, B.S. policies like “compassionate conservatism”, etc. Whether intentionally or not, that was the response he, and they, ultimately chose in dealing with the 24/7 attacks by the partisan media. They went RINO. They grew government by leaps and bounds, created more unnecessary bureaucracy and allowed the Democrats to continue endangering the economy with “affordable mortgages” that had the triple-edged effect of jacking up the housing bubble, redistributing money from Taxpayers to the so-called “poor” and polluting the credit sector – all of which ultimately brought the entire securities market to its knees, and the economy along with it.
- I always will admire George W Bush. But his presidency was consumed by a necessary war badly fought.
Wow, do you ever have this backward. What ultimately consumed Bush’s presidency – pushing us further toward socialism in the process – was an abysmal, Socialist Lite® domestic policy and total lack of domestic leadership when it came to conservative ideology.
The Iraq war was not “badly fought”. In fact, it was ultimately won despite numerous unnecessary encumbrances. The short history – again, wholly misrepresented by The Left Wing Media for purely partisan gain – is that a coalition of 45 countries went into Iraq, subdued Saddam’s forces, and immediately set about reconstruction (or, in most cases, construction because Saddam had so abandoned infrastructure in Iraq). Their mistake – only visible with the 20/20 hindsight so famous among the Monday-morning quarterbacks of the left and useful idiots like yourself – was in viewing the al Qaeda insurgency in the same way Bush’s predecessors did: as a “law enforcement” problem. While U.S. and Coalition forces were (re)building Iraq after the defeat of Saddam’s Rep. Guard, they were being attacked by a growing, bona fide military force with the funding and the will, if not necessarily the means, to defeat them. Because the war was so immediately and completely politicized by the left, who still viewed Bush as an “illegitimate” President who had to be destroyed at any cost (including – and perhaps especially – defeat in Iraq), it took far too long to implement a strategy capable of defeating that force. But defeat it they did.
- …how come everything changed after 9/11 except economic policy?
A remarkable question. I notice you don’t have a clue regarding the answer. But here you’ll find the key to the problem, and evidence in support of my assessment above. Think about this: how different would Bush’s presidency have been from Clinton’s if it hadn’t been for 9/11? They would have been almost indistinguishable (well, save for Bush’s lack of affairs). The country would have moved further left toward socialism, just as it did during GHWB’s presidency, which was almost indistinguishable from Clinton’s. That should be telling you something, but it’s not. You’re too busy flaming easy targets like Delay and pretending I’ve written things that I haven’t.
- Bush believed that out sourcing the war to private contracting was good foreign policy and good domestic policy. It wasn’t – it was instrumental in tanking the economy.
Okay, now you’ve demonstrated certifiable insanity. You do realize that the federal deficit shrank during each of the 3 most costly years of the war, right? Meanwhile you’ve provided not the slightest bit of evidence for this ridiculous claim. Clearly, you’ve been inhaling way too much Huffington Post and Firedog Lake. Or something.
- Bush always used the war as an excuse to spend like a drunken sailor; …
Did he? If so, that should be telling you something. But it’s not.
- All of his signature policy successes – No Child/The Farm Bill/Prescription Drug – were all financial boondoggles.
Ditto. Are you starting to understand the problem yet? While you think about that, realize that when you write “[t]he same kind of lame arguments your pushing”, it’s abundantly clear that you’re not even reading what I’ve actually written.
- Adults face facts …
Really? You an adult? Because you don’t seem interested in facing the fact that it was exactly the policies and boondoggles you identified above – not the ultimately successful liberation of Iraq and the successful decimation of al Qaeda – that have led us down the rosy path to where the bolsheviks are waiting with PPD-40s.
“In fact, it was ultimately won despite numerous unnecessary encumbrances.” Wow. Talk about clinging to a tortured view of history – are you posting this from some community college graduate school seminar your teaching?
“…Their mistake – only visible with the 20/20 hindsight so famous among the Monday-morning quarterbacks of the left and useful idiots like yourself – was in viewing the al Qaeda insurgency in the same way Bush’s predecessors did: as a “law enforcement” problem….”
We have a magnificent military that fought a splended modern war -the kind of war the Israelis have refined by way of survival – the kind of war the american publc is prepared to support – namely one thats over in essentially a month or two.
You can convince the public in six months or a year (which Bush did after 9/11) why it has to be fought. And they will stay for a year or two once it’s ‘won.’ But like it or not the American pulbic has vetoed any notion of staying around to build nations.
Otherwise it better be and Indpendence Day like scif WWIII type where we are all in the action.
They don’t blame the military – who were trapped there on a half-#2s’d ‘policing presense’ in the middle east that evovled as I’ve already stated into a massive ‘stimulous’ program – where everyday truckers and fast food workers made 3 to 10 times their stateside paygrade when risking their necks.
They never bought into the lefts antiwar movement – but they all cringed and cried watching 30K + come home maimed and half again as many that came home dead.
And a lot like me got really angry when we felt real abused because we supported this Sport. Making your tone and argument a bit much. IT DIDNT’ HAVE TO HAPPEN YOU TOOL!
It was crap Sport. Maybe our people wouldn’t have been stuck in a civil war if we didn’t have 100k + overpriced contractors nation building – and instead were putting Iraqis to work rebuilding their own country.
We never secured the country. Heck the insurgents (Until Iran & Syria began supporting them) were killing our people with ordinance we failed to secure once the bad guys dispersed back into the population! ‘Necessary encumbrances…’!!!
All those rosy senarios back at Quantico and the State Dept when the show first set out just never materialized. And it wasn’t because the media was unfair (which it was) or because Rummy was stuck ‘fighting with the military you have.’
And this most certainly did consume the entire Presidency. As much as you try and lay the current economic problems off on 2 years of Demcratic congressional majorities and 1 year of Obama, what we are living with are the consequences.
I don’t have a P.H. D. or a G-13 security clearance. But I was seven when my Uncle came home from Vietnam, and I was 49 when my cousins came home from Iraq. They don’t find much water in your arguments either Sport, based on the conversations we’ve had about it.
I’m signing off on your crap – while I go throw up.
@68. Phoenix48: – Wow. …
So… are you claiming the war wasn’t won? Are you claiming that numerous unnecessary encumbrances were not encountered? What?
- We have a magnificent military that fought a splended modern war …
Yet you maintain that it was “badly fought”. Ooooooookay.
- …the kind of war the american publc is prepared to support – namely one thats over in essentially a month or two.
Oh, I get it. Your problem is actually with the “fickle”, “impatient” American People. Thankfully, your delusional view is far from accurate.
Here’s the thing – support for a war can last as long as needed if those pursuing it communicate the need and the details in an open, timely, accurate fashion. The Bush Administration caught so much unending, baseless grief for their explanation of what was probably the most completely justified military action in U.S. history that they completely abdicated this area of responsibility after the war began. Whether it was out of exasperation or the knowledge that their words would be cherry-picked, misrepresented, spun and essentially lied about no matter what – which, of course, they were – it doesn’t matter. The fact is that very little came out of the Oval Office discussing the details of what was happening as it was happening, and why. This created an information vacuum, leaving The Left Wing Media free to make up whatever stories about the war they liked. And they did, with abandon – all aimed at attacking an “illegitimate” President who had “stolen” the election from THEM when Al Gore lamely failed to carry his own home State in 2000. Rarely, if at all, did the administration move to counter the resulting narrative.
- IT DIDNT’ HAVE TO HAPPEN YOU TOOL!
Better get hold of yourself there, sport. You might pop a blood vessel.
- Maybe our people wouldn’t have been stuck in a civil war if we didn’t have 100k + overpriced contractors nation building…
How absurd. There was no civil war until long after the insurgency had gotten the chance – while Congress diddled, politicizing the war – to whip the country into an armed frenzy. Again, the key had nothing to do with “contractors” and everything to do with a failure to recognize that there were TWO substantial enemies in this war. The first was easily dispatched. The second one wasn’t dealt with seriously for two years or more.
- And this most certainly did consume the entire Presidency.
His entire presidency? Okay. I guess your observations above were just bogus then, eh? The fact is that Bush did manage to grow government substantially and pursue a domestic agenda that was not at all in keeping with conservative ideals. I think you need to get your story straight.
- As much as you try and lay the current economic problems off on 2 years of Demcratic congressional majorities …
You have yet to come up with anything that shows otherwise. Up until the Democrats took over Congress, we had a shrinking deficit, increasing federal revenue, a consistently growing economy and consistently low unemployment. ALL of that did a one-eighty during 2007, as the Democrats made their agenda clear to American businesses and investors. NOW we are living with the consequences.
- I’m signing off on your crap – while I go throw up.
See – best not to get yourself so worked up over something you clearly don’t understand very well.
66. goy:
Goy, goy, goy . . .why so intent on blaming everything on everybody else? Bush didn’t do anything wrong. Everybody knows that.
Bush ‘inherited’ less than half the transition time allowed other Presidents-elect . . . because he took so long to blackmail Sandra O’Connor into stopping the recount in Florida allowing him to steal the election.
an economy sliding into recession . . . a recession that started in March, two months after his inauguration and which he managed to turn into the worst economic calamity in 80 years, starting 14 months before he left office.
a Fifth Column media that went as far as committing open treason in a time of war . . . by questioning his blatant dissembling on WMDs as a cause to invade Iraq, which was not ticking, and other little parties like Dick Cheney’s secret energy policy summits.
a CIA littered with partisan traitors like Valerie Plame . . . a covert CiA operative who was outed by a pissed off Dick Cheney because Joe Wilson revealed their lying 16 little words, a treasonous act according to GHW Bush.
an untenable WMD inspection fiasco run by a corrupt U.N. . . made untenable by the neocons who had decided prior to 9/11 to invade Iraq, no matter what the inspections revealed.
domestic scandals stemming from admitted lies about Oval Office BJs . . . which nobody in the world cared about except for the Larry Craigs of the Congress.
an Osama bin Laden on the loose rather than taken into custody when his predecessor had the chance to do so . . . at Tora Bora
a terrorist plot that killed almost 3,000 civilians . . . that happened on Bush’s watch despite his administration being warned about it, and despite people like Dana Perino insisting that no terrorists attacks happened under the Bush administration. How dumb does she think you are? However dumb that is, she’s right.
(and left with ) an end-of-term $460B deficit . . goy, goy, goy . . .supplementals, pharma, unfunded tax cuts. I know you refuse to address that. I would too if I were trying to sell the crap you’re selling. You’d rather fantasize about You Betcha’s uterus. But the facts, they’re sticky things as I have just illustrated. Think of it this way, if Obama didn’t include any of the stimulus money or funding for the wars, why his deficit would be just peachy. Then again, according to Cheney, “Deficits don’t matter.” So why the furrowed brow. if you can’t trust Dick Cheney, who can you trust?
Now, about that whole “sliding” thing . . . perhaps this will lend some visual understanding for you. What a difference an election makes:
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-jobs-lost-in-the-bush-and-obama-administration-2010-2?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Get ready, goyter, the economy is coming around. You and your tea bagging buddies better get busy trying to destroy America’s recovery or you’ll be left further out in the cold. It’s what any good patriot would do.
Thus endeth the lesson. Perhaps you should exhume Ted Mack. He might have a slot for an act like yours.
Unfunded? The tax cuts paid for themselves!
The only one trying to steal the 2000 election was Al Gore. Bush only asked that the Supreme Court order Florida to obey their own laws and have a uniform method for counting votes. None of this cherry picking counties for recounts business, and when the deadline passes, that’s it. Like it or not, the Electoral College votes on December 18, and all electors must be certified by December 12. Whoever the last count has in the lead as of the 12th must have his electors certified. You can’t go back later and revoke that decision.
@70. “skeeziks”: – he took so long to blackmail Sandra O’Connor …
Your fantasy. Not supported by the facts.
- … a recession that started in March, two months after his inauguration …
…and ended scant months later (chart courtesy St. Louis Fed).
While you may have convinced yourself that Bush single-handedly torched the economy 6 years and a different Congress later, that’s a fantasy that, again, isn’t supported by the facts.
- … by questioning his blatant dissembling on WMDs as a cause to invade Iraq, …
You mean inventing dissembling about WMDs as the cause. Read the Joint Resolution passed by the full Congress, putzie. There’s never been a more thoroughly justified military action in all of U.S. History. Hoven (preceding link) provides you with the left-leaning Senate’s assessment on whether or not Bush “blatantly dissembled”:
… a covert CiA operative …
Not according to her husband.
… who was outed by a pissed off Dick Cheney …
Again, wrong. See the results of the Fitzgerald’s unnecessarily-years-long fishing expedition, which was officially over when he discovered that Plame was “outed” by Powell’s DSS (summarized here). You need new material. The stuff you’re parroting was debunked years ago.
… because Joe Wilson revealed their lying 16 little words, …
The only thing Joe Wilson revealed was his own contempt for the facts and his keenly partisan proclivities. See above. Or just read this, it’ll be less embarrassing for you.
- made untenable by the neocons who had decided prior to 9/11 to invade Iraq, no matter what the inspections revealed.
Right. Like Clinton. And all of these folks.
- … which nobody in the world cared about except for …
Well, not Hillary for sure. But there was Judge Wright, who fined Clinton for “intentionally false” testimony (that would be, uhm, perjury). Oh, and the Arkansas Supreme Court who also fined him, and suspended his law license for same. Oh yeah, and that small matter where the U.S. Congress found sufficient evidence to hold impeachment hearings regarding his lies under oath. Yeah, except for Larry Craig.
- … despite his administration being warned about it …
Right. I’m sure you were furiously dialing your local FBI branch right before the planes hit.
- supplementals, pharma, unfunded tax cuts. I know you refuse to address that.
You haven’t provided any reason to address it.
- But the facts, they’re sticky things …
A lot stickier than you realize, apparently, since you weren’t able to come up with any that supported your numerous fantasies.
- Now, about that whole “sliding” thing . . .
Heh. Was that on the latest OFA memo you got this evening? Better have one of your commissars check it. Whoever came up with that chart has NO idea what they’re doing. The numbers are WAY off, putzie – like, by an order of magnitude. But “numbers don’t lie, do they”? LOL. Feel free to call me when one of you lemmings has the intellectual honesty to include all 8 years of data for Bush’s tenure on that chart. Yeah… didn’t think so.
- … the economy is coming around.
I’ll save that one. When the Democrats and RINOs have drilled us into the second wave of the double-dip recession with another failed attempt to make socialism work, you’ll get to see it again.
Now… aren’t you happy that I finally allowed you to change the subject? Heh.
I’m also not happy with Republican’s so-called war on terror. Before the GWB administration came into power, it used to be that most Republicans supported that we destroy our enemies and create deterrence. However, since the election of the GWB administration, it seems that Republicans now support instead the pursuit of endless silly fantasy based nation building missions under the false premise that we can somehow win the hearts and minds of Muslims who are obligated to hate our guts, per their religion, no matter what.
I used to be a Republican, but not anymore. If the Republicans want to win back my support, they will have to drop the political correct multicultural lunacy that pervaded the Republican Party with the election of GWB.
72. goy:
You don’t like my facts, I know. So you make up your own or worse, LINK! to right wing extremists whose data is off by an order of magnitude. Well, I say thanks but no thank on those facts to nowhere.
Proof? Plame. Do your research. Not plausible deniability, but actual facts. Try to break free from the Reagan model for once. It’s counterproductive.
@74. “skeeziks”: – … my facts …
Telling. As opposed to just, er, “facts”.
The problem is that you keep posting your fantasies, your opinions and the propaganda you get from OFA – all of which you mistake for “facts”.
Then again, earlier you couldn’t even discern who was responding to whose post (see above).
So it’s probably best for you to stick to empty, baseless one-liners like “Proof? Plame.” Clearly, it’s premature for you to try something so intellectually demanding as finding real sources to back up your endless river of leftist crap.