No Leadership, No Solutions, No Clue: Obama Speech Resurrects Jimmy Carter Era
About two-thirds of the way through President Obama’s speech, leaves and twigs twitched erratically amid late-spring gusts of wind outside the windows of the Oval Office. Symbolism is integral to a presidential address, and Tuesday night was no exception, with solemn flags standing behind the history-heavy and timber-laden Resolute desk. But faltering branches was not the imagery desired for the moment.
In his opening comments, the president reassured the public:
From the very beginning of this crisis, the federal government has been in charge of the largest environmental cleanup effort in our nation’s history.
It hasn’t felt that way. Obama didn’t personally visit the Gulf until May 2, more than 10 days after the Deepwater Horizon explosion and the catastrophic mile-deep oil gusher. Original estimates on the extent of the oil spill drastically underestimated the enormity of the damage: in late April the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) put the estimate at 5,000 barrels a day, a number which originated with British Petroleum scientists. Within short order, government officials were scrambling for more accurate assessments, and this week’s estimate places the damage at 60,000 barrels a day (2.5 million gallons).
President Obama either badly misunderstood the scope of the calamity, or he deliberately downgraded threat assessments so as not to upset the grand-scale ambitions of his administration. Perhaps it was a combination of both. By late May the political backlash was bipartisan, the most memorable outburst when former Bill Clinton strategist James Carville blew his top on Good Morning America. Responding to George Stephanopoulos, Carville excoriated the president:
George! George! George! The president of the United States could have come down here. He could have been involved with the families of these 11 people. He could have commandeered the things. … He could be with the corps of engineers and the Coast Guard with these people in Plaquemines Parish, doing something about these regulations. These people are crying. They’re begging for something down here. And it just looks like he’s not involved in this! Man, you have got to get down here and take control of this! Put somebody in charge of this and get this thing moving! We’re about to die down here!
Carville’s passion was absent from Tuesday’s Oval Office address. Instead, President Obama sought to “securitize” his response to the crisis, with martial rhetoric fitting of a commander-in-chief ordering troops into battle: the administration had a “battle plan”; Obama pledged the “deployment of over 17,000 National Guard members along the coast”; he promised to have the “governors in the affected states to activate these troops as soon as possible.”
If only the White House had such a fighting spirit when Gen. Stanley McChrystal sought 40,000 additional troops for the Afghan deployment throughout 2009!
There was never any doubt that we could make the planes and tanks (not to mention ships, guns, trucks, etc.) needed for WWII. The only question was how best to re-organize the civilian manufacturing industry to start making these things. Everyone knew that it would take a number of months to get the re-tooled factories up to maximum capacity. Roosevelt also knew enough to leave the same people in charge of the re-tooled factories.
There was never any doubt as to our ability to send a man to the moon. The only question was, could we do it in 9 years as the president wanted, or would it take a couple years past that milestone.
Obama is as ignorant of history as he is every other subject he has talked on.
The only President to ever bow to a foreign potentate, the first President to leave D-Day off of his calendar, dares to use WW2 as a template for his speech? Obama exposes himself as a scoundrel every day.
Obama is ignorant of history b/c he has never studied it, and in all likelihood, won’t. Clinton, on the other hand, took great pains to study political, economic and cultural history and either repeat it himself, or avoid repeating it, whichever suited him best. His problem was, that he had so many side dalliances (Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Willey, Lewinsky, et al) that he was often distracted from the task at hand. Since Obama hasn’t and won’t study history of any type, and further, since he is an America’s enemies-appeaser, a spineless “community organizer”, and not a leader, he will stumble through a one-term, just like the weasel Carter.
It doesn’t matter that he ,AND HIS CABINET/COMMISSARIATE WHO PROUDLY CLAIM THE TITLE TSAR, are ignorant of history or other relevant material. HE is a “Constitutional Scholar” and “Professor”. WE “common folk”/ paeons / SERFS must know our places and “bow” to such superior beings. Haven’t the academics/”aristocracy” and politicians (WHO by the way have, in the main, never held a real job) given evidence how expert they are at the management of the USA (and par exemple the European Union). Obama has held office less than two years, and destruction of the nation in the rubble already at his feet is obvious to anyone not enamoured of him. IN CONTRAST to those “tradesmen” who just barely manage to make the USA the prize prey of parasitical persons / groups / nations e.g. UN and its member nations. If we- the unenlightened – don’t accept this self-assessment, they can AND DO revert to their true character, PLAYGROUND BULLY.
WE “common folk”/ paeons / SERFS
I believe the term du jour is “little people.”
Hmm, maybe that’s why they don’t pay attention to the Constitution. They must think it begins with, “We the Little People….”
Mark, You stole my thunder. As I was reading that, I was thinking the exact same thing. Japan was terrified that they had awakened a giant. There was never any doubt that we would reach the moon, the question was only whether the Soviets would get there 1st. Obama’s whole program is based on punishing America. His idea of American exceptionalism(or should I say “lack of belief”) can’t reconcile these things that real Americans take for granted. This time next year I hope the congress is impeaching for mis-demeanors.
“Any change away from a petroleum economy will impose short-term costs on the economy and could potentially lower the American standard of living.”
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Any such change will impose both short and long term costs, and it will most definitely lower the American standard of living. The only question there is whether the amount will merely be large, or if it will be huge.
If non-oil technologies were cost effective, companies would be rushing to implement them on their own. If they were close to being cost effective, you wouldn’t have to bribe companies to do research.
Mark,
Nuclear power is cost effective. It only seems not because the hate-America crowd has placed so many legal impediments to construction and operation. It was either that or see the U.S. become energy independent (and, therefore, liberal-progressive independent.) All we have to do is change the laws (e.g., get rid of Reid and open up Yucca Mountain) and we could say good by to oil in a generation. No research, nothing new required.
The US has 27% of the world’s coal, Russia is second at 17%, and China third at 12%. This is why the US has the largest reserves of fossil fuel of any country on earth.
The US has enough coal to burn in clean modern electricity generation plants to last somewhere between 100 and 260 years. (True, we still need liquid fuel for transportation, but with more electric cars, and the possibility of making liquid fuel from coal, we can handle that.)
That’s enough time to build the modern, even safer nuclear power plants we need, as France has already done. Energy independence is ludicrously within grasp, and yes, they want us to stay dependent for political reasons.
We will never be able to say good bye to oil. The petrochemical industry makes to many products for us that are petroleum based from drugs to plastics to lubricants. We have lots of oil that can be used here in the United States that can be retrieved with minimum risk. Nuclear power will generate electricity in an economical way as will coal. Coal can also be used to make motor vehicle fuel. We have lots of options for energy independence available to us that will actually work now. It is estimated that we have 100 to 300 years worth of oil reserves available to us in our country right now. We need to begin using the resources that we have now and developing more that make sense from a financial point of view. Other than research funding that can try to develop new technologies all alternate sources need to be usable with out subsidies. If it does not make dollars it can’t make sense.
Cheap energy will put Americans back to work and fix our economy. Cap and trade does just the opposite.
You are perfectly right, I did overstate the case. I meant to say that we would be free of oil _as a fuel_. It makes absolutely no sense to burn such a valuable resource. Nuclear power can make vehicle fuel, too, by hydrolyzing water to hydrogen and oxygen, then putting the hydrogen in a fuel-cell equipped car for a no-pollution vehicle, or in a standard Otto cycle engine like we have now and deal with the NOx. In any case we would be free of paying tribute to the Arabs and cleaning up the Gulf.
Bill,
You are right, I was thinking too narrowly, so called renewables only.
That said, I have also heard claims on both sides as to just how profitable nuclear energy is, so I’m not willing to state categorically that it is cost effective.
That said, I am very excited about the possibility of several of the new technologies being discussed. They should make nuclear energy both much cheaper and much safer.
Reactors that use (I believe) helium as the coolant. (If there is a coolant leak, the helium gets replaced with regular air. The molecules in regular being bigger than helium, absorb energy from the neutons and naturally moderate the reaction.
Pebble bed reactors that can be refueled without shutting down the reactor.
Mark,
When making your considerations, please remember that, aside from a trivial contribution from the taxpayers in enriching the fuel for U.S. reactors, the entire cost of nuclear power from building the plant to disposal of the waste is borne by the rate payers and shows up on their electricity bill so they know exactly how much it costs. For example, I have a line item of fifty cents a month added to my electric bill for nuclear decommissioning of the San Onofre nuclear power plant which supplies some of my electricity.
Contrast that with fossil fuel generation. Some of the waste is disposed of into the air. The cost of that pollution shows up on the rate payer’s doctor bill, his home repair bill, the “smog abatement assessment” on her tax bill, and so forth. He or she does not realize that that is a cost of electricity and so views fossil fuel as cheaper than it actually is.
fossil fuel requires mining/drilling. Add the cost of the gulf clean-up to the cost of fossil fuel generation, the deaths of the coal miners, the lost revenue of the fishermen, and so forth – again making fossil fuel seem far cheaper than it is.
Oil must be paid for. That enables the Moslems to fund jihad. Add to the bill for fossil fuel the cost of the war on terror, the gulf wars, and all of the other military expenditures necessary to keep the oil coming. Does nuclear power seem cheap by now?
The cost of hydroelectricity is kept artificially low by including the cost of building the dam on the rate payer’s tax bill, and the cost of the flooded land is kept low by stealing it from the owners by eminent domain.
So when you get to the enormous cost of complying with the hate-America crowd’s legal hurdles that doesn’t seem so much, but it ALL contributes to the picture. Consider ALL of it, and I think the conclusion is inescapable: nuclear power is the cheapest of our alternatives.
Donald: when did President Bush visited New Orleans after Katrina?
None! he flew over head on Airforce one!! why can’t you poeple stop being babies and finger pointing? Bush could have come up with a cure for cancer and librals would still mock him. and you are no different.
Look: no one knows what the solution here. that includes liberal scientists as well as conservetive scientist and as well as neo con. scientist. also includes democratic scientists as well as republican scientists. do you now get the message?
Hey! It’s my favorite spelling and logic challenged Troll – Miriam! How are you? Great to see you rambling again!
Anyway – as usual you have missed the point completely. The issue is not lack of scientific solutions – the issue is lack of leadership. There is no one in command here. There are 17 agencies working on the issue with no centralized leadership or unifying mission. No one is in charge. 60,000 gallons a day into the Gulf and Obama’s focus is who’s “butt” to kick. 60,000 gallons a day into the Gulf and Obama is talking about windmills and solar. 60,000 gallons a day into the Gulf and Obama is not only not providing leadership – he is literally preventing local governors from taking action to help them self.
We heard a speech yesterday that not only didn’t have a plan – it didn’t have a plan to try to come up with a plan. It was the circular rhetoric of a philosopher – not a briefing on a solution from a commander and chief.
Miriam – for good or for ill – Bush is no longer president. He is not campaigning for anything. Comparisons to him are irrelevant. We have a president – his name is Obama. Our country has an acute environmental crisis the likes of which we have never seen and our president is waxing philosophical about energy policy. Someone has to be in charge – someone has to act. Obama must lead, follow or get out of the way.
Many Obama supporters claim that the President is not responsible for the Gulf oil spill and that is true. However it should be obvious, and I hope Republicans are listening, that when Obama announced last March the opening up of new offshore drilling it was done without any due diligence. A thorough safety review of existing offshore platforms should have been done prior to the Presidents announcement. That review would have brought the problems on the BP rig to light and corrective procedures could have been taken. Once again the lack of managerial experience and the concept that any idea the President has is, ipso facto, a good idea , has caused the greatest environmental disaster in US history. Should BP be held accountable? Of course. Should the President be held accountable for not protecting the public? The answer is just as obvious.
Why should I or any Conservative defend Bush? At best he was simply a right-wing liberal, at worst he was a progressive (just like you). That’s right, Bush was simply Obama Lite, or conversely, Obama is Bush On Steroids.
If anyone deserves to have a finger pointed at them, it is that sanctimonious, arrogant, lying, deceitful, disingenuous, clueless, insufferable Ideologue-In-Chief (Peace Be Upon Him) !!!
Simmer down, charlene. Don’t overplay your hand.
You are so right. If the solution was available to stop the leak, it would have been done.
What many have issue with, myself included, is that Obama wishes to use the problem as leverage to push through another obamanation of a bill for the US. cap and trade( tax) bill.
Nonsense, Miriam. George Bush most definitely visited New Orleans on the ground. (Actually the New Orleans area as going into the city at that time would have been feckless)
What you are referring to is the media spin at the time, where they found it suited their purpose to push the fact that Bush flew overhead and that that somehow proved his detachment from the problem.
If you had any critical thinking skills, you’d realize that in a disaster like Katrina or the BP spill, getting a feel for the extent of the devastation is best done from the air. Bush flying over the entire New Orleans area made much more sense than Obama’s strolling the beach. It’s no surprise to me that Obama picked the second. The first does not lend itself to photo ops, the second does.
George Bush, for all his faults, never bought into that one and so was never overly concerned about photo ops. He most certainly never considered them as proof of leadership. But then, his resume going into office was not based on being a community organizer where substance means committal and as such is to be avoided whenever rhetoric and appearance can mask it’s absence.
No…and you don’t either..obviously. There is a lot more to the oil spill as compared to Katrine, than your simplistic view.
Bush was in Jackson Square a few days after Katrina. He gave a very rousing speech under the glare of generator operated floodlights (I wish he’d lived up to that speech). He flew over NO that first time because there was no place to land without screwing things up.
Obama just doesn’t seem to care. Worse, he seems to want to use the spill to implement a huge cap and trade program that BP executives helped create.
The oil in the Gulf? All the jobs that he’s wantonly destroying? None of that matters as long as he can say he’s chasing a pipedream that he doesn’t want to follow up on anyway.
And make no mistake about that–if he wanted us weaned off of oil, we’d already be building nuclear power plants–and the enviros would already have been told to take a flying leap.
Thanks for covering this. I can’t bring myself to watch him. Local governments in Florida are taking things into their own hands. The use of this “crisis” was predictable. Obama is tedious, not as smart as he thinks he is.
Yep, Obama could have shown a bit of humility in this blunder-type of response in the Gulf. It wold have scored some points with many people. To show he too is human. Instead, he was vague as usual with talking points that have little-no depth.
It’s hasrd to fathom one being so obtuse to their ship sinking..
I took the time to download the text of the discourse and to read it.
Trivialities that any ten years old could have written, and lies (we dig in deep waters “because oil reserves are scarce” ? not at all, we dig there because YOU and your comrades have forbidden any drilling in the easy places !!!!).
I always thought that subversives ENJOY the troubles of America…but in this case …IT SHOWS !!!! It’s a discourse written by someone who doesn’t care AT ALL about solving the problems.
And in that sense, Americans will increasingly see this administration as no more steady than those wavering branches.
What do you mean, will?
The sad thing about this non student of history is that he uses allusions to our past accomplishments to spur us onward and upward to solve the future energy crisis. Hello, bozo, we are in the midst of a huge crisis NOW and need to solve it before you go off on a future problem! This shows that if it is not part of his agenda then he will let someone else handle it for him. Can we survive 2 1/2 more years of him?
President Obama’s admin is too focused on PR and not enough on the actual science, which is surprising given the angle of expanding scientific research and action when he was running for President.
Given that the PR and Polling consultants always get every administrations ear first, it is still incumbent for those next to the president to insure priorities are set that address the problem squarely. In this case they have not, President Obama would be well counseled to listen more to people with field experience in these matters, and less to Poly sci wogs that surround presidents.
There will be enough time to investigate this event after the Oil leak is plugged or intercepted or ________ , but until then the priority is damn the torpedoes and plug the leak.
You should seek out the Jimmy Carter malaise speech, the energy battle was near identical, 31 years ago. Only the words were changed slightly, to make it sound original.
Who did he think would be fooled?
Carter is probably sighing a relief, as he will now no longer hold the brass ring of worst of the worst, in the incompetence department.
If Obama was a real leader and if he really knew what he was talking about (and those are really big “ifs”, my friends), he never would have given that speech in the Oval Office. If this really is a “war” (a term I find insulting given that we are actually fighting two real wars right now), then treat it as such.
Give a speech in front of a big map of the Gulf coast, with an old-fashioned pointer, and actually show where your assets are deployed to fight the oil spill, how many people are involved in the containment process, and say exactly what these people and ships are doing to contain the spill and where. Then, have the people who are actually going to implement your plan come up on the stage and stand right next to you. Tell Americans that the people leading this effort will have a direct line to the president, thereby cutting through all the bureaucratic red tape Washington is famous for. Then repeat to a very nervous American public that we now have a plan to contain the spill, we have the leadership to supervise the effort, and those people will be in daily contact with the president so as to not only give updates on the situation, but to also make sure coordinated efforts are taking place and that nobody is unnecessarily repeating the same function. All this would be going on while BP had the task of actually plugging the leak or drilling a new relief well.
I think a speech like that would have gone a long way to reassure the public that at least somebody was in charge of containing this disaster. Instead, what did we get? A bunch of useless platitudes and no sign that an intelligent plan is actually being implemented, let alone that it is being coordinated with other Federal agencies. All we got was a speech on Cap and Trade, which was insulting to say the least. This is not surprising, though. Obama has never run anything, has never had any executive experience, and certainly has never had any experience in dealing with a major crisis. The next two years are going to be very rough, my friends. I hope we, and the country, can survive it.
Wait till Iran, North Korea, or a similar rat-hole takes some more hostages. Then we’ll see some spectacular incompetence, dithering, and cowardice.
Let’s hope they just take hostages rather than lighting off a nuke.
I think we are already there.
GDT: first of all I am not a troll and second of all I am not rambling. and my spelling has nothing to do with anything. there are millions of people who can not spell.. so get over that one.
Look: I can make the same argument anout Bush and Katrina.. he did not go there until days after.. so I can say the same thing no leadership. May be he couldn’t go becuase he was dealing with something more urgent. the samething with Obama..
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Miriam my friend… allow me to help you just a little. In a written format, you are perceived by what you actually place on the page. When you misspell every 3rd word, misuse caps and make lots of basic English language syntax errors – you are perceived as being a few eggs short of a full carton. It is the written equivalent of trying to talk to people with drool rolling down your chin. This is aggravated by the fact that there are several tools that would address your spelling and capitalization issues that you choose not to use. It is like going to a meeting in clothing you haven’t washed in a month. It makes you impossible to take seriously no matter what you have to say and it is insulting to the other people trying to engage in discourse.
Secondly – you seem to almost exclusively use a tired old rhetorical device called moral equivalency. Your sole argument in almost all cases is “Bush was worse” and that somehow invalidates any Obama related discussion. I have a news flash for you. Bush is gone. What he did or didn’t do is no longer relevant. Obama has been president for over a year. I agree that Obama is not responsible for the entire state of affairs in the world. However, Obama is totally and exclusively responsible for what Obama does or does not do. In the case of the oil leak – Obama is CHOOSING not to take an aggressive leadership role in ending the problem. He is focusing on who to punish and on broad based policy while the oil is still poring into the gulf. He is acting like a philosopher rather than a chief executive. This is in large measure because he has never before been a chief executive of any organization of any size. This is not something that Bush (or Clinton or Carter or Taft) did to him. This is simply a function of his gross lack of experience.
Miriam, I enjoy engaging you in this forum – but it is getting a little boring. Could I respectfully request that you begin to use spell check and perhaps find some argument other than “Bush was worse”.
Thanks!
She could go back to blaming everything on the jews.
“pouring” my freind.
“Friend,” Professor. Not “freind.”
And do something about that plank in your eye, willya*?
* deliberately misspelled as a colloquialism.
“whom to punish”
All the best trolls say that.
“.. so I can say the same thing no leadership. ”
Yes, you can. As many times as you wish. That does not make the opinion logical, internally consistent, or worth serious consideration. This seems to be a primary fault with you. I noticed it in your refusal to abdicate your position on who bore responsibility for the violence on the Turkish/Hamas provocation convoy long after the facts came out.
In your defense, major media has disabled false equivalence as a logical contradiction in presenting discourse from the left for almost 20 years if not longer. The lack of critical thinking skills in much of the left’s lockstep adherents yourself might further enable it. But you’re just a spear carrier repeating propaganda. Not the source of it.
On that note, your spelling, grammar, logic, and sentence structure has everything to do with how you are perceived when you wish to make a point in a discussion online. The reader should not have to interpret meaning from context. The fact that there are millions of people who can not spell does not excuse you from making the effort to present your points clearly. Why should your opinions be treated as more than flights of fancy from a poorly taught grade schooler when you present them at that level?
I wasn’t gonna feed this particular troll, but why not…
Yeah, it was apparently far more urgent to Obama that he reduce his golf score… because that’s what he’s been doing quite a bit of the time while this oil continues to flow into the gulf.
Gotta hand it to the O-man, he sure has his priorities straight, unlike Boooooooooooooooosh!
Maybe he got confused between ‘gulf’ and ‘golf’?
On a more serious note. Drilling in easier places is mostly already banned. Drilling in difficult places is (probably) now to be banned. Nuclear power is not currently an option. Green power is a joke, especially in the context of America’s needs.
That leaves foreign oil.
One more point for Ms. “Bush Was Worse Than Obama…”
According to Public Policy Polling:
That’s right, the people of the State of Louisiana find that Obama is doing worse with the oil spill than Bush did with Katrina.
You can keep on with the “Boooooooooooosh was worse” meme, but now it will look even more silly and pathetic than it has up to this point (and that’s pretty bad).
he did sound like a 2.7gpa harvard constitutional scholar and traitor of which harvard has produce quite a few of them.there is no substitute for oil,coal or nuclear because when the wind don’t blow the juice don’t flow and the others aren’t worth a shit.if they want to stop the leak call the air force for one or two 15,00lb daisey cutter then lower it over the well head and detonate it.i have seen these things go off and they are unbelievably powerful and will collapse the well.
Obama is not simply useless in this affair- it’s much worse than that. He and his administration have been getting in the way
On Day 2, the Dutxch offered us two ships with hi-tech containment and removal gear- Obama rejected it on orders from the unions. Miles of oil boom STILL sit in a warehouse in Maine- despite Maine’s two senators having informed the USCG six weeks ago. BP intended to drill relief wells, as is SOP- but nooooooo, Obama would not waive the (years-long) EOPA permitting process. And Gov Jindal finally just stared building sand berms without Fed permission, since the Feds had dicked him around for two months.l
One almost thinks Obama WANTS this to be as bad as possible.
(BTW, he LIED again- there are over 167bbl of recoverable petroleum in the US, not the 21 he claimed.)
Empty Suit, Empty Head. He just wanted to be president to get great tee times and party.
Several humorous cartoons at the links below.
Obama and his “Blame Bush” response to the oil spill at http://drawfortruth.wordpress.com/category/big-oil-2/
On Media Bias at http://drawfortruth.wordpress.com/category/media-bias/
Folks, I have news for you, Barry has no intentions of ever leaving office. If the new US Senate bill being pushed by Joe Lieberman goes through and he (Barry)has the potential of shutting down the web because of a national emergency then our most powerful line of communications will have been cut…why would Joe do this?
‘Obama pledged the “deployment of over 17,000 National Guard members along the coast”’
What are they going to do?
Shoot the oil?
I want “the upset” James Carville, Matalin and Billie Nunguesser to interview Obama .. no teleprompter..no pre-knowledge of questions.
These people are in the thick of things down here and understand the “lack” of physical help and the unbelievable “red tape”!!. People are so easy on Obama. He needs to meet some of these angry cajuns face to face..
I believe Obama let us know where his attention is last night. He is better on the campaign trail with his crap than serious things that really matter.
Folks, the 197-page bill is entitled Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act, or PCNAA. Check it out and tell Joe NO!
When is some GOP Congressman going to grow some cojones and start impeachment proceedings against the Liar-In-Chief? To name but of a few of his offenses…
1) Assuming powers not in the Constitution to take over private corporations (GM), as well as ignoring contracts for bond-holders, and providing slush funds to unions.
2) Criminal offers of paid political positions (his Administration’s devious, word-parsing pronouncements notwithstanding) in at least two instances (Romanoff and Sestak) in exchange for not running against political favorites.
3) Actions against BP, which while politically popular, are nowhere found in the powers granted by the Constitution.
4) Executive orders that effectively usurp Congressional authority and again bypass the Constitution.
…and this is the short list !!!
Of course, historically we can expect nothing from a feckless, spineless Republican Party that has bent over backwards to “reach across the aisle” all these years. Any Tea Party candidate who has won their respective primary should take up a pledge to start impeachment proceedings as soon as they take office.
This progressive madness has to be stopped, otherwise our country as a viable geopolitical entity will cease to exist.
“Obama Speech Resurrects Jimmy Carter Era”
Yeah, well I’d rather have the Jimmy Carter era than the Woody Wilson, Frankie Roosevelt or Lindy Johnson eras.
There’s two kind of bumbling Democrat presidents, the kind that get hundreds of thousands of Americans killed fighting European and Asian wars that are none of our business, and the kind that just makes us look like a bunch of clowns.
I prefer the second type myself.
Why would you want to look like a clown in any comparison?
Hey, I NEVER vote for Democrats, because I don’t like either choice.
But, if the choice is between Carter or Roosevelt…it’s Carter any day of the week.
OK.
Carter was incompetent and ineffective. Obama is incompetent but effective at passing his freedom killing agenda.
The problem with this clown is he’s liable to get lots of *civilians* killed when our enemies figure out he will do nothing but beg them to be nice. (and they’re figuring out what a worthless clown he is.)
GDT: Oh boy!!! this is harsh!!! I will try to do better
Outstanding! I look forward to your input.
miriam rove @ 24
How about this, then?
GDT: Oh boy!!! This is harsh!!! I will try to do better.
Re this presidency, limousine liberals and Soros’s $$$$: You get what you pay for. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you pay for what they got.
the truth is, “there was no joy in mudville “, but there are, however, giggles and near ecstacy in the white house, as they cackle over their next corporate carcass to disembowel. That’s what they mean by “kicking ass!
obama didn’t disembowel BP. BP is thrilled with this deal. If Tony Hayward was wearing a bow tie it would have lit up and spun around. why do you think they agreed so fast. Obama has no negotiating skills as we saw with big pharma where we missed out on hundreds of billions of dollars from them and settled for very little.
and, when BP is ready to depart they will, and we will be holding our puds.
you would think by now that would have figured out all they need to do is put together some blue ribbon commissions with only harvard boys and girls and nobel prize winners to put this to rest. barbara boxer also has hydrogen based ecoswat
teams on the ground in the gulf region whenever needed.
Give Pres. Carter a little more credit than Pres. Obama here. I’m not a Carter fan but during the height of the Three Mile Island disaster, he went to PA to calm the fears of the people and to help resolve the problem. And it worked. In that case, Carter’s nuclear energy background from the Navy helped the situation. Obama’s vast community organizing and campaign management background lends absolutely nothing to addressing this current disaster.
#28 M.MILLER:THANKS! A fair and thoughtful comment.
I feel gypped;I voted for Obama ’cause he said he would make the sea levels lower,pay my mortage,end world hunger , give everybody free drugs,and give me free plastic surgery so I could stop looking like a weasel with glasses, plus money from his stash,and now, We still haven’t gotten our money, he can’t even stop a little oil spill,and I’m as ugly as ever.Chaney must have cast a spell on him.- ALAN COLMES,Moscow on the Hudson, NY.
Do you folks remember the devastating comment made by the Boston Globe about one of Carter’s speeches:”MUSH FROM THE WIMP”!Here’s my update vis-a vis Obama’s ravings:CRUD FROM THE DUD!
Of course Obama would suggest cap & trade (or something) as a solution to the BP spill. Remember, his solution to the bad economy and job losses was nationalized health care, stimulus bribery, and illegal amnesty.
I realize I’m cynical about anything and everything this guy does, but my impression has been he *wants* this spill to be bad to; a) have an excuse to shut down drilling in the gulf (environmental whackjobs have pushed a shut down just about everywhere else in the US – deepwater drilling is all that’s left), b) take over the domestic oil industry (he does like his toys), and c) have leverage to push cap and tax through.
this is the guy who in 2008 said (among other things); a) he’d destroy/shut down the coal industry, and b) $4 for a gallon of gas wasn’t high enough.
I will make this simple … for the simple folks,
Linking Jimmy Carter with OBAMA is like Linking Bush with Reagan….
for simpletons, it works,
for those that think, it will never work. I hope it does not work with you either.
Wake up, this kind of thinking just does not work. Reagan was 60.s Carter was 80.s
and this is the 21st century… ok?
Quite an interesting chronology there!
That right there illustrates why most of us who’ve been around for a while ignore “Poor Citizen.”
“Linking Jimmy Carter with OBAMA is like Linking…”
Larry with Curly? Toss in Slick Willie (Moe) and you have the complete set.
Obama even goes around saying that he’s a victim circumstance all the time, just like the original Stooge did.
Giving a reason to support your assertion is generally considered good form.
Reagan is the 60′s, really.
You still have a long way to go, Poor Citizen. My own opinion, of course. Try reading “The Road to Serfdom”. It could help.
Just heard Keith Olbermann spout that President “O” was one of the top 10 brilliant minds of today, and was easily the smartest President the USA has ever had. So I guess there’s nothing to worry about. Sleep tight everyone!
the president reassured the public:
From the very beginning of this crisis, the federal government has been in charge of the largest environmental cleanup effort in our nation’s history.
Admitting how impotent the Fed is.
the president may have missed an opportunity to demonstrate genuine leadership and originality…
One needs to possess “genuine leadership and originality” to demonstrate “genuine leadership and originality”.
Are any of you billionaires? You really believe that government is the problem? Open your eyes to what has been going on in this country for the last two decades. Do you really think that the corporatists give a hoot about you? Maybe some of you need a real good taste of how bad things can get without a government to look out for you. We could go back to the Hooverville era. You could work in a town completely owned by your corporation. You will have to shop at the stores owned by your corporation. You would then have to go to the bar to cash a check because there would be no banks. The bar would happily cash your check, only after you had a few beers. You could wash your clothes in the local swamp because your corporation surely is not going to cover the cost of your water supply and sanitation. Your community will smell from ripe garbage that you have to manage yourself. The housing market will be completely controlled by your corporation and when the corporation needs to raise more capital, they will raise your property tax to force you out of the home so they can gain another down payment from the next succer.
So keep on supporting the Republicans that desire to do away with corporate regulations, healthcare, and social security. Go ahead and nominate the religous radicals that salivate at the chance to force their ideology into your household. Give the power to those that continue to give billions of subsidies to the mighty corporations. Your children will surely learn what it is like to live with no hope of a decent education, working with no regulation of conditions or pay rates.
Some of you do not have a clue as to what or who you are supporting. And I know that I am wasting my words for most of you, but do your children a favor and research the people that started and are supporting the tea party movement. Do some research on what life was like for American’s before government abondoned the “hands off” philosophy.
That sounds better than living under Islam, which is where Barry is taking us.
Well 35 million people would have jobs that do not now. They would not be cashing unemployment, or welfare checks and food stamps that a lot of them are doing now. The people with money are the ones that create jobs not the government who first has to take all of its funds from someone else. The days of the company store and the paying of employees in script are long gone and not coming back. The other thing that seems to be gone are the good jobs that someone could get right out of high school earning a decent living and the ability to stay with that company until retirement.
The corporation that makes widgets or anything else also realizes that if they are going to make something they must be able to price it so it can be sold. They also realize that they must also pay a wage to their employees that will allow them to buy the products they want and have a decent standard of living or they will not have anyone to buy the widgets. They will also loose their labor force to a competitor that has the foresight to pay a decent wage and will then not have anyone to make the widgets.
The beauty of the free market system is that it is consumer driven and corrects itself for free and it costs nothing to operate. The problems we have had with every system that tried to manipulate or control the system has been the same through out history. Failure over and over again. Central planning does not work comrade, neither do left wing economics. FDR’s new deal did not work, more than 70 years of soc sec taxes and it is still not solvent. Johnson’s war on poverty and we still have poor people with out hope. Carter’s economic struggles and international failures and we have stronger terrorists and under his watch we had high inflation and high interest rates to deal with. Obama is going to put a new face on failure his own.
1) Of course corporations care, if they didn’t their customers would go elsewhere.
2) Your paranoid fantasy of one company owning only happens when the govt is that company.
I will go through this slowly so you can understand. Republicans are for LESS regulation, not no regulation. This is the normal liberal spin. The federal government has one job, to protect oour person and property from others. That means there has to be regulations to protect us, the citizens of the United States. But, the federal government has overstepped its bounds many times, and needs to be reigned in. We need power for our everyday lives, but the more government regulation makes the costs of that power go up. The big corporation will just pass that on to the consumers. Yes, business is in it to make money, thats why there are businesses. In turn, we work for these businesses so we too can make money. This is the reality of the world. Business hs been going on in this country for much longer than two decades, and in the ealry 20′s and 30′s business would take unfair advantage of its employees. So the federal government stepped in and made regulations that protect the employees. What the conservative republicans ant is less regulation FOR THE PEOPLE, more freedom to live your life YOUR way, not how someone tells you to live it. And Yes, government is the problem, hence why our forefathers set up the constitution to constrain the powers of the government, which the government has been trying to bypass.
While there need to be regulations, this doesn’t prove that the govt needs to be the source of those regulations.
The ANSII committee creates technical standards that the entire world uses. It’s a private organization with no govt involvement.
UL creates standards for electrical equipment. Private companies pay UL to inspect them in hopes that they will be permitted to put the UL label on their products. They are willing to pay this money because the consumer values the UL label. If UL were to fail to inspect properly and allow defective products to use it’s label, the consumers would stop trusting the UL label, and companies would no longer have a reason to pay for the inspections.
Hence, the profit motive creates all the incentive necessary to both create and enforce regulations.
Correct. Let me add that fascism requires the merging of big biz and government. The role of government is merely to be the referee, not to take sides in the game. People who loathe business and capitalism do not know the difference between real capitalism and crony capitalism.
Some people should be modeling the effects of 70,000 barrels per day on the Gulf and surrounding waters. The whole Gulf ecosystem could be wiped out. BP also sprayed a million gallons of a super toxic dispersant, which the Obama team were aware of. Instead of forcing BP to use a safer dispersant, they dithered as per their usual behavior. BP was hoping to lessen the amount of oil that comes ashore to minimize their legal obligation, but the toxic plumes in the Gulf will wipe out sea life from the top to the bottom of the food chain. It is not only a few birds and seals that will die but millions of birds, millions or billions of fish of all species, and the crustaceans and plankton, everything will be strangled by the oil. Someone capable of modeling how to immediately stop the oil leak, with a small nuclear explosion, should be looking at all the sub surface maps made by BP and the other oil companies, to see how to do it without fracturing the rest of the oil bearing structure and creating more leaks. Stopping the flow of oil immediately is more important than waiting for the relief wells to stop it in August, IF it can be stopped safely. If the relief wells are the only safe option, Exxon, Chevron, and every other oil company should be mobilized to help drill the best and safest relief wells, instead of relying exclusively on BP to drill the relief wells, since BP appears to be staffed by nincompoops and incompetents from top to bottom.
Man is Exectec in #38 delusional or what?
The people in Government are in the pockets of the corporations and special interest groups funded by the corporations to further their own ends. Government is only a good thing when very limited and is made up of ethical and moral people, we don’t have that…at any level. Why sir do you think Obama and the Democrats received hundreds of millions of dollars from those same corporations you revile? The Democrats have received more money from corporations than the supposed “big business” Republicans over the past decade.
To quote John Adams:
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
Exectec wrote:
“Go ahead and nominate the religous radicals that salivate at the chance to force their ideology into your household.”
You mean like the Socialist Left is did with Health Care, education, the News Media, Hollywood, “the (failed) War on Poverty”, bankrupt Social Security & Medicare programs, a national debt larger than that of all previous administrations combined, lending practices forced upon banks by Carter & Clinton that lead to the housing bubble and subsequent bailouts, and the bailout of GM?
President Obama either badly misunderstood the scope of the calamity, or he deliberately downgraded threat assessments so as not to upset the grand-scale ambitions of his administration.
I vote for both doors, mainly #2. A physical catastrophe is a distraction from the ideological agenda.
You mention McChrystal…I see this Presiden’t dithering on the gulf in the same context as his dithering on McChrystal’s troop request and his dithering on Iran. His blasting BP and attempting to impress us by throwing out names like physicist Chu are also typical, one casting aspersions on “evil” (see greedy Wall Street etc.), another citing this or that ex-spurt as on the scene, never mind that said “brilliant” ex-spurt hasn’t a clue about the spill.
As the administration dithers and attempts to find a toehold, the black stuff continues to gush.
Instead, we get weakness, ideology, and no identifiable plan.
And a lot of horn blowing from the ditherer-in-chief
Also don’t forget the millions of dollars from radical Muslims that went to Stinker either, and the hypocritical love affair of the Left with Islam, the socio-political ideology with religious trapping that will destroy the useful idiots of the Left when done with them.
Homosexuals? Executed.
Feminists? You think you had it bad in the past? Just wait. Under Islam you’re only value is that of a sexual plaything and baby factory. Enjoy your hajib & burka.
Liberal Jews? You think Germany from 1933 to 1945 was bad…
Environmentalists? Ever been to a Muslim nation? The majority are third world cess pools, the few that aren’t are very small and have oil wealth to thank for it. Its pretty nasty to see all manner of filth floating down the Nile River, including dead animals.
Race baiters? Take a look at pre-surge Iraq, Darfur, Somalia, and Bosnia that’s real “racism” and what you’ve got to look forward to.
Socialists? Sorry the Caliphate doesn’t believe in socialism, just Sharia.
And you’re worried about the Bible Thumpers? Fool.
GDT: hope you are well. I guess what I am saying is to give him a chance.
But I have to be honest with you. I did vote for him. But he f….ed
this one up royally…
How is the spelling?
“I guess what I am saying is to give him a chance.”
Nope.
Totalitarians have had their chances, over and over and over again.
No more chances.
I don’t want my wealth spread around and I don’t want free handouts from the likes of Obama, and that is all the Dems have EVER had to offer. And, not only that, but the price of what they offer is you have to trade your freedom for perpetual slavery of one sort or another in order to get the free handouts.
You’ll end up picking their cotton, or getting drafted into their armies or you’ll spend your life working to pay taxes. One way or the other though, you’ll end up as their involuntary servant…and I don’t want to serve against my will.
And, the only way to avoid it is to never, never, never give socialists, Demmocrats, liberals, whatever you want to call them a chance to do anything.
Fixing the Gulf disaster is not on Mr. Obama’s agenda; he is more concerned about his agenda. He wants to legislate and regulate and the worse the problem becomes, the better, he thinks, his chances are. Hence his speech the other night. Why should we accept the help of foreign countries with real experience in this problem. Better for us all, in the long run, for the stuff to leak out and destroy a way of life. Imagine how mad the Gulf residents will be. In Mr. Obama’s way of thinking, this is the way to raise support for cap and tax and other foolish policies.
This is why he was so quiet for so long, why he deferred to BP. He can point to BP’s lack of success and argue government is the solution and corporations are the enemy, especially British corporations. Remember how quickly he sent Winston Churchill’s bust back to England.
When the president visited the gulf and was filmed bending down to inspect something in the sand, without touching it of course, he didn’t get any oil on his white shirt. To his great surprise, he is now getting oil all over him.
I’m sorry, I have to inform this simpleton that when he wants to reference former Presidencies, he should verify them 1st.
Reagan: Served as President from 81 to 89. Two terms
Carter: Served from 77 to 81. One term
Posted by Poor Citizen
I will make this simple … for the simple folks,
Linking Jimmy Carter with OBAMA is like Linking Bush with Reagan….
for simpletons, it works,
for those that think, it will never work. I hope it does not work with you either.
Wake up, this kind of thinking just does not work. Reagan was 60.s Carter was 80.s
and this is the 21st century… ok?
I’m curious — were any of you Obama bashers awake during Bush Jr’s 8 years, or around during the Reagan/Bush Sr.’s 12 years? Or do you actually think it’s fine and dandy for Presidents to lie you into wars or to support murderers and death squads? It’s a cliche now that right wingers hate science, but you guys aren’t so big on history, it would appear.
Most definitely and the Reagan years were pretty fine. Even scholars who typically lean left rate him as one of the greatest US Presidents. You might be too young to have lived through those prosperous years though. You should actually investigate the true history and not the fabricated version you have evidently been taught. Check out this cool thing Al Gore created…it’s called the “internet”. Be warned though, not everything you read is true. You need to cross-check via multiple sources to get to the truth.
Bush Sr was pretty good too, just not as charismatic compared to Slick Willy. Slick Willy was handsome, I suppose, like NObama, and evidently liberals think to run a country all you have to be is a good looking person. Clinton did have some executive experience though, so I will say he was a decent President for all his faults.
As far as Bush Jr., well, TBO it was hard to really tell anything over the Bush bashing that went on and on for 8 yrs and even still goes on by you and others who have no other excuse to how incompetent the man you elected is. I remember those claims by the left that Bush Jr was going to try and take over the government, going to become a dictator. Yet, who has expanded government into everyone’s life more than any other President? The Great NObama! A good example of the left not having any other person to blame to cover up Obama’s incompetence is MSNBC. They built their whole viewership around Bush-Bashing. Now they have to keep doing it to keep what few viewers they have. Cut the TV on right now to MSNBC. The odds are better than average that someone on there will be bashing Bush as I type.
Let’s cut to the chase, Obama is just like Carter. An incompetent who has no clue how to run one of the greatest countries in the world. Just like Carter. Oh and the fact he’ll be a one term President to boot.
Look who’s not to hot on history.
Go look up the history of the Carter administration. The economy got so bad then that they had to invent a new term, “stagflation,” to describe it. And people had to wait in line to buy gas… but I bet that’s a feature, not a bug, to a leftist drone like you.
I know enough history to LOL at the drivel put forth by witless lefties.
1.) Bush II didn’t “lie” us into a war with Iraq. The United States had been bombing Iraq for years before Bush came on the scene. The Clinton administration was flying one to two airstrikes per week against the Iraqis right up until the day the Adulterer/Perjurer-in-chief left office, which means we were already at war. You can’t lie your way into a war you’re already in…and anyway, unlike the current oaf in the White House, Bush told the truth.
2.) Over the last hundred years liberal trash from the Democrat Party bungled the United States into four serious wars at a cost of 600,000 American lives (WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam). That accounts for well over 95% of the Americans killed in wars during the last century. Seeing as how I’m not too keen on the idea of Americans getting killed as a result of politicians and their bungling stupidity, naturally I prefer the more pacific of our two viable political parties…that would be the not-so-liberal Republicans.
3.) Virtually every tyrannical regime we’ve ever supported we supported because that’s what the liberals wanted. That includes massive aid, and even formal alliances with the Soviet Union and the KMT regime in China during WWII; regimes which, when they weren’t busy fighting our enemies for us, butchered millions of innocent people. It also includes the Latin American regimes leftoid dolts who vote Democrat were whining about back in the 80′s, most of which we became pals with because that’s what Roosevelt and his crew wanted. To be pals with guys like Fulgencio Batista et al. You know why the main drag in Managua is named after Roosevelt? Because Roosevelt and Anastacio Somoza were butt buddies. That’s why. Don’t like supporting tyrants? Take it up with the liberals. It was their bright idea.
So, spare me your “history” lessons, leftoid…and get back to kindergarten where you belong. You’re way out of your league.
Allen Smith wrote Check out this cool thing Al Gore created…it’s called the “internet”. Be warned though, not everything you read is true. You need to cross-check via multiple sources to get to the truth.
Thanks very much for proving my point: I’m guessing you and the other gullible, history-challenged rubes here never realized that whole “Gore claims he invented the Internet bit” is basically a hoax that got its start with a poorly written Wired article by some idiot named Declan McCullagh that was then grossly distorted and deliberately BFD’d by Republicans. In short, Gore never claimed that: he was referring to a predecessor of the Internet called “NSFNET” which he did notably support while a Senator. The expanded NSFNET became what we now call the Internet. This is a very detailed report of how Wired Magazine’s idiotic article became magnified by equally incompetent reporting by your beloved MSM (which might actually be responsible for both of Bush’s election wins through irresponsibly bad reporting.)
I can’t emphasize enough what a bad, BAD President Bush was.
“During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.” Quoted straight from your own link and others that try to spin his idiotic remark for something other than what it was. Now anyone with a brain would know this is just an example of his own ego running off at the mouth and the typical Democratic ideology that little folk are stupid and should be led into the correct way of thinking. it backfired because the rest of us aren’t. I suppose this could fall under the heading of a “Goreism” and him being a Democrat isn’t subject to the same ridicule as a “Bushism”.
Listen up, Bush is gone. He’s been gone for over a year. Your great Messiah is in power now. If you want to blame someone for your problems, look in the mirror. It’ll be the “follower” holding the big jug of Kool-Aid. Don’t drink it all in one gulp though, it’ll have to last a long, long time because in November and again in 2012, the will of the people are going to take back control of this great country’s government.
I like how you tolerant people are so intolerant. It’s quite telling.
By the way, I like how you skirted everything in my response to yours except for the insignificant point of Gore’s statement. You’re truly grasping at straws although I commend your dedication.
To Allen Smith: Did you ever here the phrase “out of context”? Taking what someone says out of context and then deliberately misrepresenting it is no more than another form of lying, aka Lying by Omission. Sorry.
As far as skirting over your earlier response, I tend to have the philosophy of not bothering further with what someone says after having already dispensed with one of their key claims. But FYI: the nasty business with Central America, the Iran-Contra BS, and supporting Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war (including winking at his use of chemical & biological weapons) all made Reagan a terrible President.
Bush Sr., basically Reagan’s toady, sucked as well
Bush Jr. earned a lot, lot more than whatever bashing he’s received so far. He is by far the worst President in several decades. Everything out of his mouth regarding Iraq was a lie, his election campaigns, directly or via proxy, spared no smear, however vile, and overall he was a complete clusterf*ck as both President and as a regular human being.
That fact that you think Reagan and Bush Sr. were decent people and that poor Bush Jr. somehow has been unfairly bashed indicates that you have no clue whatsoever about who’s good or who’s bad. Actually, if one extrapolates from your logic so far, you calling Obama an incompetent most likely means that he’s anything but that.
You really are kind of dense, aren’t you? I thought it was an act but you really think people say Gore believed himself about the internet. Everyone knows he didn’t mean it the way it came out. He used poor phrasing. We know that. When I said it, it was meant as a sarcastic joke on the how Democrats sugarcoat their accomplishments to make it seem more than it is. You’re almost like a cult member and it’s sad really, to know that people like you exist and work everyday to ruin this great country.
If I’m wrong about Obama, he’ll be re-elected for a second term and all the Democrats will be re-elected in November. But you see the way things are going. You see how even his beloved media are slowly turning on him. You feel which way the wind is blowing. Enjoy.
Guess again. Google ARPANET.
“ARPANET”
Yeah, Lawrence Roberts is the guy who basically “took the initiative to create” what would eventually become the internet (along with a bunch of other guys like Vinton Cerf) first with ARPA, and then with Telenet…back in the days when Al Gore was smoking dope, and trying to figure out how to not get his head blown off during his brief stay in Vietnam. At that time Al was primarily concerned with figuring out a way of taking the initiative to get into Tipper’s panties.
Al Gore had zip to do with the creation of the internet.
Anyway, all data networks are just glorified telegraph networks, so you might as well credit Western Union with taking the initiative to create the internet…that’s for sure truer than the fatuous claim made by Al Gore.
Barracky boy has accomplished something no other President has been able to do; Pull a perfect vacuum on a business suit!
His incompetence is astonishing, as I’ve been publishing for more than three years.
This BP oil accident is being milked for its ‘catastrophic effect’ which is much more desirable than a mere ‘crisis’, by this ‘administration’. (Rahm Emmanuel can’t stop dancing!)
Beaches, marshes, animals, birds and fish, encrusted with crude oil are more visuals to heighten the outrage at the oil companies, and justify the ‘administrations’ demands for ‘funding’, as if there were no insurance on these operations.
The daily actions of the federal government, and it’s agencies, have been to delay, impede, and thwart all attempts to establish containment of the secreting crude by the impacted States, contractors, and volunteers, attempting to employ proven oil spill recovery methods.
And what better evidence is there than Barracky boys refusal to suspend the ‘Jones Act’?
Well, since we are supposedly attempting to be historical here, let’s throw in the little tidbit that Bush Sr. developed the concept of can and trade.
As I posted on another thread, it is amazing how in one day, Obama has gone from being hapless, helpless Carter, to strong armed extortionist JF/Bobby Kennedy. Maybe tomorrow he can be John Adams of Alien and Sedition law Infamy. I await Mark Steyn’s next scholarly work in which he will discover that liberal fascism actually began with Alexander Hamilton and John Adams.
Er, that would be cap and trade. And let’s not forger Nixon and his wage and price controls. Just imagine if Obama did that. What has happened is that after the re-emergence of the right and its think tanks from Reagan to today, big government “solutions” that were used when any particular though necessary have come to be seen as “the worst socialism America has ever seen,” when there is a Dem President that is. Ah, history, ain’t it grand?
Please, the original concept of Can and Trade, oops, sorry, Cap and Trade that Bush Sr. adopted (he didn’t develop it) was to fight acid rain and only acid rain. The Democrats have taken the concept and are trying to apply it to Global Warming, or Climate Change, or whatever you believe. Even the people who came up with the concept in the 60′s are skeptical of it’s viability to fight something on a global scale as it’s better suited for local, controllable pollution problems. There is no way for the US to enforce such a system globally and to even try is as arrogant as our great leader. Ultimately this is just another way to tax the little people so big government can spend, spend, spend.
I’m sure you have a link to a non-partisan non-Wiki website substantiating your charge that the elder Bush developed cap and trade.
Says it all..
http://www.thoseshirts.com/omm.html