You didn’t respond to my last post to you in the first article of this series, so I’m reposting this comment:

According to posts you’ve written in previous articles, there is no room for interpretation in the Koran. I happen to disagree but you have stated repeatedly that you don’t. You’re contradicting yourself again. So what translation specifically are you using? Or more precisely, what website are you cutting and pasting your ‘opinions’ from? I’m very certain you haven’t actually read the Koran. You’ve made certain grammatical errors in your ‘quotes’ that are identical to ones I’ve read from other posters.

On your repeated attempts at moral equivalency, I’ve already pointed out that the actions described in the Bible about Abraham are very similar to Muhammad. Rape, slavery, theft, murder, and terrorism are all depicted in the Bible. Unlike you, I think both the Bible and the Koran are allegorical. Thus your position that Islam is responsible for creating terrorism (unless your beliefs are based on bigotry and hatred) is completely disingenuous unless you also believe that Christianity is responsible for terrorism as well. Religion is not responsible for creating terrorism. Evil men are. Which is why when 15% of American ‘Christians’(circa 1920’s) were members of the terrorist organization the KKK the other 85% of American Christians didn’t need to renounce Abraham and the Bible in order to right the wrongs of the KKK. Likewise the 99% of Muslims that are peaceful don’t need to renounce anything except terrorism and the dictatorships that most of them live in.

Look most people don’t like to be proven wrong. Most people don’t like to be shown that their ignorant. And most people don’t like to be caught lying. I’ve clearly demonstrated that all three apply to you. If you’d like to change those things, try reading the Koran so that you can have an intelligent debate with someone about the religion of Islam.

I don’t usually let myself revel in schadenfreude, but I must admit I’m enjoying watching “Mr.Independant” get his Islamo-sympathetic posterior soundly kicked.

Hey “Mr. Independant”, we’ve all read your inane “religion is not the cause of terrorism, terrorists are” arguement. The reason Mr. Ibrahim hasn’t responded to your question/argument is because he is a brilliant scholar and recognizes the stupidity of your position…..as we all do.

“Mr. Independant”, if you do not understand that some religions/ideologies (not all, but certainly some, definitely NAZIsm and Islam for example) can provide the foundation and motivation for creating lots and lots of evil terrorists, then we can only assume you are denser than the Fantastic Fours Benjamin Grimm after he was irradiated with gamma rays and transformed into “The Thing”.

The simple fact that Mr. Ibrahim and most of the readers here understand is that with Islam, in word, ideology and deed, res ipsa loquitur. Allah is violent, Muhammed is violent, the Koran is violent, Jihad is violent, the spread of Islam is violent…..Islam is violent.

So….keep on spouting your ridiculous theory, and we will keep laughing at you.

Best regards “Mr. Independant” (or should we call you “The Thing”?),

~The Infidel Alliance

If you mean has anyone ever made me look dishonest or silly by identifying posts I’ve made that were just copied from another commenter or if I’ve ever been caught lying? My answer is no; I have no such ‘contributions’ that are identical to yours. I do you give you credit though, at least you admit you’re just cutting and pasting someone else’s opinion. Now the reason why doing so is counterproductive, is demonstrated by the rest of your post. Your post includes several grammatical errors that are identical to what I’ve read other posters write. Specifically you attempted to identify suwar and ayat from the Koran in the following format: 2.133 YUSUFALI. That’s improper because YUSUFALI is not the name of a specific chapter of the Koran (a sura) but the name of an Indian scholar. The correct spelling of his name is Abdullah Yusuf Ali. Instead of actually reading the Koran you’re relying on someone else’s interpretation of what is written in the Koran. Look, if you want to learn about a particular faith doesn’t it make sense to study their holy book? I’m very much interested in a honest debate about religion and how it does not relate to terrorism but those who wish to debate with me must have an understanding of what their writing about.

BTW your post #69 is disproven by your post #82 where you wrote “We shall worship Thy god (Ilah) and the god (Ilah) of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma’il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah: To Him we bow” which should have read ‘We will worship your god; the god of your fathers Abraham, Ishmael, and Isaac; the one god. To Him we are submitters’. If you decide to respond try doing so without cutting and pasting someone else’s opinion.

You are obviously not a person of peace. In the article below you advocate murdering thousands of innocent civilians (not terrorists).
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/islamist-perfidy-and-western-naivety-which-is-more-lethal/
You stated “Once in five years there should be riots in which thousands of muslims will be killed.” Staging riots for the purpose of committing mass murder is terrorism. So it doesn’t matter what you quotes you produce to support your claims, because you are a supporter of terrorism. The issue isn’t what a long dead politician may or may not have written; it’s what you wrote that matters. That being said, you have no credibility advocating against terrorism since you condone it.

Islam is indeed a religion of peace. Read what Churchill said. Ha!Ha!!Ha!!!

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”

—Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

3.62
YUSUFALI: This is the true account: There is no god (Ilah) except Allah; and Allah-He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.

5.4
YUSUFALI: They ask thee what is lawful to them (as food). Say: lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure: and what ye have taught your trained hunting animals (to catch) in the manner directed to you by Allah: eat what they catch for you, but pronounce the name of Allah over it: and fear Allah; for Allah is swift in taking account (if Allah means God what name of Allah is Allah commanding the believer to pronounce over it?)

17.110
YUSUFALI: Say: “Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between.”

20.14
YUSUFALI: “Verily, I am Allah: There is no god (Ilah) but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

20.97
YUSUFALI: (Moses) said: “Get thee gone! but thy (punishment) in this life will be that thou wilt say, ‘touch me not’; and moreover (for a future penalty) thou hast a promise that will not fail: Now look at thy god (Ilah), of whom thou hast become a devoted worshipper: We will certainly (melt) it in a blazing fire and scatter it broadcast in the sea!”

59:22
YUSUFALI: Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Hadiths
Muslim:C10B1N177 “The Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent us to raid Huraqat, a tribe of Arabs. We attacked the tribe early in the morning and defeated them. I and an Ansar man caught hold of a person of the defeated tribe. When we overcame him, he said: ‘There is no ilah but Allah.’ At that moment the Ansari spared him, but I attacked him with my spear and killed him. The news had already reached the Apostle, so when we came back he said: ‘Usama, did you kill him after he had made the profession: “There is no ilah but Allah?.’ I said. ‘He did it only as a shelter.’ ‘Did you kill him after he had made the profession.’ He went on repeating this to me till I wished I had not embraced Islam.”

Correction:

I have NO interest in the opinions of someone who supports mass murder and terrorism, which you do.

Unable to bear the assault, you have decided to abscond. You have delusion that you are better informed than Churchill. Every brainwashed folower has the delusion.

Once again, I’m not interested in your comments, ideas, opinions, or suggestions. You are a supporter of mass murder and terrorism.

Here is another Churchill quote.

“Several generations have elapsed since the nations of the West have drawn the sword in religious controversy and the evil memories of the gloomy past have soon faded in the strong, clear light of Rationalism and human sympathy…But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness. In a moment, the fruits of patient toil, the prospects of material prosperity, the fear of death itself, are flung aside…Seizing their weapons, they become Ghazis (warriors for Islam) – as dangerous and as sensible as mad dogs: fit only to be treated as such…The forces of progress clash with those of reaction. The religion of blood and war is face to face with that of peace. Luckily the religion of peace is usually better armed.” (from Churchill By Himself: The Definitive Collection of Quotations.)