New Zimmerman Evidence Removes Any Doubt
Several months ago, after a review of the then-available evidence, I concluded that George Zimmerman was innocent. New evidence, recently released by the trial judge, supports the fact that George Zimmerman is the victim of a liberal racist lynch mob.
There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman is the main victim here and that President Obama, Attorney General Holder, Al Sharpton, special prosecutor Angela Corey, Sanford detective Chris Serino, and a host of others are prominent members of this shameful multiracial lynch mob.
In my previous article, I pointed out that I have investigated many cases of racial violence and police brutality, and have documented, in official federal reports, that many such awful events have indeed taken place in this country. Yet Zimmerman’s case did not have any of the features of those other incidents of racial brutality.
Zimmerman’s recently released statements have no hint of bias or racial animosity on his part. It is significant that the first mention of race in the new evidence was brought up by Sanford detective Chris Serino. Initially Serino had been quite supportive of Zimmerman’s trauma, but then within a few days he started to openly doubt the reasons why Zimmerman decided that Martin was suspicious.
He asked, “Had this person been white would you have felt the same way?” Zimmerman responded, “Yes.”
Serino persisted and implied that Zimmerman had instigated the confrontation and said that Trayvon Martin “was not doing anything bad. … He was 17. … A kid with a future … not a goon.”
Serino also asked Zimmerman if he had a problem with black people. Zimmerman replied that he didn’t.
Here is the core of this nightmare. One detective decided, without evidence, that Zimmerman could not be believed. Chris Serino had no reliable evidence to support his position but he went ahead and submitted an affidavit calling for a manslaughter charge.
Detective Serino ignored the evidence that Martin walked around in the rain aimlessly looking at houses. He ignored the evidence that Martin had attacked Zimmerman and threatened to kill him, shouting: “You gonna die tonight, M__ F__!” The detective also ignored the obvious injuries on Zimmerman’s face during the interviews.
The chief of police and the district attorney first decided that there was not enough evidence to support Serino’s hunches. Lack of evidence is a cornerstone rationale for the operation of a civilized legal system when ethical officials decide not to proceed with a prosecution.
About time the truth came out. The whole thing stunk from the first. Too too much twisting of the facts to suit the agenda of the radical leftists for my suspicious tastes. I have prayed constantly that the Zimmerman issue be revealed truthfully and entirely, but most importantly, that the results be released for ALL the public to see. How do these shameful pimps be exposed for who they are if it’s always hidden when all is said and done. Where does a good man go to get his life and reputation back?
Truth would be handy, except that Zimmerman has been caught lying to the judge. Cf., his wife Shellie’s perjury arrest.
Not exactly the sharpest knife in the proverbial drawer.
Zimmerman is an idiot, a lying idiot, and because of his idiotic decisions that night, young Trayvon is dead.
You are an idiot (and I use that term with a full and complete understanding of its meaning).
DITTO! In spades!
OMG you said/typed a racial slur….spade
Good work, genius. Me being an idiot is not a time machine that goes back in time and unperjures Zimmerman’s wife. The man is an idiot.
And you guys knee-jerk defending him like a Democrat defending Perjury Pres. Clinton — why do you do that?
There is absolutely no reason to assume that because they perjured regarding the bail (that was still unjustifiably high), that that would somehow change the facts in the case. I suggest you look at the police reports online. It is shocking that this case was brought to court.
Truth means nothing to you do it? You so busy cloud dancing in liberal fantasy land you have become blind.
Far from being a knee jerk zimerman defender, I initially thought he might be guilty. But then I heard numerous points to change my mind, including:
1. An eyewitness who coraborated zimmermans account that he was pinned to the grond and being beaten, when he fired his gun.
2. Testiminy on zimmermans injuries that also coroborates this story.
3. The doctored 911 tape that made zimmerman look guilty at first, and the real version that helped him.
4. Evidence that martin might have been on drugs, thus justifying zimmermans statement that he was suspicious of martin because “he looked like he might be on drugs”.
5. The complete lack of evidence that zimmerman initiated the actual fight, beyond briefly following martin (which is not a crime, and not a justification for being attacked).
6. Evidence that martin might have thrown the first punch such as injuries to his fists, and total lack of injuries elsewhere, while zimmerman had significant injuries.
Against all this clear exculpatory evidence, you are ready to convict solely because, amidst all the biased and lynching atmosphere zimmerman was subjected to, he and his his wife decided to lie about how much cash they have for bail. And you have the gaul to accuse US of reacting in a biased knee jerk fashion.
that poor black angel, he injured his delicated fists by bashing them against zimmerman’s mouth/
“then I heard”
“Evidence that martin might have”
Richard40, that hearsay and woulda-coulda-shoulda stuff is not inspiring me.
Zimmerman is an idiot, a lying idiot, and that young man is dead because of Zimmerman’s idiot decisions. Now whether Trayvon Martin is an idiot, as might be, is beside the point, because nothing justifies that kid getting shot. A police officer in the same situation would never have done what Zimmermen did, and probably would not have been in that situation in the first place.
OR… Think about it this way. How many times have you “heard” of a neighborhood watch member shooting a burglar dead? Look that one up.
An idiot and IRRATIONAL.
Mature people learn to make important distinctions by the time they reach puberty.
Mature AND rational…which eliminates this “X Contra” psycho.
Thanks for the compliment, Sharpshooter. It is nice to know that I am goring a few oxen through the internets which Al Gore invented.
Zimmerman’s wife might be a liar ad may have perjured herself, however, that does not change the fact that Zimmerman was covered with blood (from his own face) on the night of Trayvon Martin’s death. He also has a clear recod of standing up for Black homeless people and protecting them. He has a record of doing his duty fairly in the past and the evidence showed that he was attacked by Trayvon when he investigated the young man who was acting in an unusual and suspicious manner. The TRUE police 911 tapes show this and the photo taken of him the night of the altercation that led to the death of Trayvon also clearly show the same. The evidence on it’s face clears Zimmerman. His wife should be censured for lying and if he was guilty of lying he should be as well but only for any actual wrong-doing he may be guilty of. Zimmerman is not guilty in ay crime in the altercation with Trayvon Martin who clearly attacked Zimmerman first. Zimmerman only defended himself. I am afraid I would have responded the same way if in the same position. (under an assailant who is screaming that he is going to kill me while he is poundng on my face) Trayvon should have identified himself and not grown violent and Zimmerman would never have drawn a weapon and fired.
Poor young Trayvon. It’s getting so you can’t assault anyone anymore.
People keep piling on Zimmerman. I guess he HAS to be found guilty, because as soon as you accept that Trayvon had a right to attack Zimmerman there’s no where else to go.
What gave Martin the right to attack Zimmerman? Was it because he was being watched for looking suspicious? So if ANYONE just LOOKS at a Black person, they have the right to ATTACK?
This is EXACTLY why Martin is dead. He had the typical ENTITLEMENT mentality. He was Black so he had the right to do what he wanted, when he wanted, how he wanted.
Get used to it. People are fighting back.
I can tell you’re Black. Only the Blacks are still defending a punk who sucker punched a guy for protecting his neighborhood.
If you are replying to Advo, PP, I think you are mis-reading what he’s saying.
Your an idiot! all of you are forgetting the police told Zimmerman to stop chasing the kid, if he had did that no one would be dead!!!!!!
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Your an idiot! all of you are forgetting the police told Zimmerman to stop chasing the kid, if he had did that no one would be dead!!!!!!”
None of us are forgetting that, anon, because that didn’t happen. The police DISPATCHER said when he realized Zimmerman was following Martin, (not chasing him), was, “we don’t need you to do that.” The tape is out there for all the world to hear.
There aren’t any laws out there that say you can’t follow someone. Zimmerman wasn’t doing anything wrong in following the kid, but he did stop after the dispatcher said he didn’t need to do that. He then went looking for a building address number to give to the dispatcher so the cops would know where to meet up with him. It was during that time that Martin attacked him.
If Zimmerman is not found guilty, then he’s going to sue everyone in sight for malicious prosecution, defamation, libel, and a whole bunch of other bad nasty stuff and will bankrupt pretty much all the different governments and offices in that part of the country with the resulting judgments. So all those fine upstanding civil servants, prosecutors, police and others will lose their jobs. Why, they might even have to cut back on welfare for baby mamma’s and food stamps for Treyvon’s peer group, due to lack of funds. If Zimmerman is not found guilty.
Advo, I apologize if I misunderstood your comment.
No. Because of Trayvon Martin’s idiotic decision that night Trayvon Martin is dead.
If you attack people, you get shot. You reap what you sow.
Don’t want to be shot? Don’t attack people.
This really isn’t that hard to figure out.
“Poor Trayvon” was as wannabe gangsta thug p.o.s. If george hadn’t shot him, you can bet someone else would have. At least George got him before he was able to hurt anyone else.
You talk as if no one has ever cased a house or a car before. Although we don’t know if Martin was doing that, your dismissal of the possibility is telling. If Martin was casing a house, then he started the series of events that led to his own demise. If Martin was casing a house, he certainly didn’t deserve to die for it. But if that was the case, if he’d been home reading a book, he’d still be alive.
There’s been at least a dozen times in my life where I’ve caught people plainly casing vehicles to rob, or peeping Toms, while I was simply going about my business. On each occasion I either frightened them off merely by them becoming aware of my presence, or chased them off. People who do such things are crossing a line that makes people nervous, angry, and even violent.
When that happens, it us against them. I’m not ceding this ground and I see no reason why Zimmerman shouldn’t have been able to question a lurker in his own neighborhood. Martin plainly wasn’t simply going from point A to point B and there’s nothing in Zimmerman’s call to suggest this. People don’t call 911 before they plan on murdering someone. Use your common sense and forget color.
Zimmerman and his wife were advised to sign over the to him – they lawyer – exactly so they could say they didn’t have any money. The prorsecutor didn’t care and charged them with perjury. That’s is crappy legal advice not malice.
Now the judge has set Zimmerman’s bail at 0ne million dollars. The first bail was too high – now he is going to make sure Zimmerman either sits in jail until his trial or that they are bankrupted.
I hope Zimmerman and his wife get out of jail and then skip the country because they will NEVER get a fail trial is this God-forsaken lawless country.
Had George Zimmerman laid there and allowed the tough, large, violent punk Martin to continue smashing his head into the concrete, and allowed that same punk to grab his handgun when it was discovered (I find it VERT telling that it had remained hidden until Martin, atop his victim and violently trying to kill him) then Zimmerman would indeed be an idiot… a very dead one. And Martin would be wanted for Second Degree Murder and assault with intent to commit serious bodily harm, and underage weapon possession, and, given his other previous charges, a criminal in possession.
Oh, but since the “dear child” is now dead, he’s some sort of a bleeding heart hero. Gimme a break…. had he not been lurking and prowling about a part of the neighbourhood in which he had no business doing anything beyond walking down the sidewalk to his home, he’d likely be alive today and Zimmerman a free man… and you and your ilk would have to find some OTHER excuse to promote your liberal racist rantings.
You’re the idiot – and a racist to boot.
So, what exactly IS the “new evidence” which your title suggests, dear author?
I was wondering that also:
“Detective Serino ignored the evidence that Martin walked around in the rain aimlessly looking at houses. He ignored the evidence that Martin had attacked Zimmerman and threatened to kill him, shouting: “You gonna die tonight, M__ F__!” The detective also ignored the obvious injuries on Zimmerman’s face during the interviews.”
If these are statements made by Zimmerman, than they are unreliable at best. What physical evidence is there that Martin was walking around aimlessly? Whether Martin attacked Zimmerman is now in doubt since Zimmerman has openly lied in court and therefore his statements can now be seriously questioned.
What physical evidence is there that Zimmerman confronted Martin? What physical evidence is there that Zimmerman DIDN’T stop following him and begin to return to his vehicle? What evidence is there that Martin is nothing but an innocent victim in this?
Answer: absolutely none.
What evidence there IS comes from multiple witness statements that indicate it was MARTIN who was the primary aggressor, and physical evidence — including the wounds to Zimmerman’s head and the proximity of the gun when Martin was shot — which indicate that Zimmerman was perfectly within his rights to shoot his attacker in self-defense.
This is neither a stand your ground case nor a case of racial animus. It’s a case of a man who was attacked by a similarly sized, younger, more agile male, and who made a split second decision that he felt he had to make to save his own life. It’s the media and the race hustlers, including our Preezy and his AG, who have made it appear to be something it isn’t.
Like the prez and AG, the local law has no leeway to alter the dominant political agenda of a media hungry prosecutor. Being totaly without either honor or morality they are overdue but presently being profiled by an aroused electorate whether they like it or not.
The reaction firearms and ammo sales spikes, both private and government, indicates that more of the same resistance can be expected. As with middle east insurection, denying the true cause can only prolong an unavoidable outcome. The
role played by TV media’s hiding and whitewashing truth only defers an inevitable conclusion of justice but reveals their greater potential danger.
He didn’t lie – he received bad advice from his attorney. They attorney had him sign over the money received through the website, so that he could honestly say this money was not in his possession. The prosecutor brought the perjury charge against Zimmerman and his wife and they were both arrested and the bond revoked.
Don’t think for a moment that these people will retain any of their property or possessions once this is over. They WILL be ruined financially. Frankly, if this man still has family in Peru he should have fled the country because he will NEVER be given a fair trial.
I really do not believe that Zimm will ever go to trial…..this will be a circus, and does any prosecutor want this kind of head-ache….there is NO jury in Fla. that will convict him….unless it is 12 blacks from freedomtown…down in Miami…Once Holder and 0samb0 is gone, this will die out, but not if the race pimps have their way….
AG Eric Holder lied under oath to the house oversight committee. That was not a mistake like the case of the Zimmermans statments, that was wholly intentional on Holders part. Why isn’t Holder locked up now? There is far more evidence of him committing a crime than there is against Zimmerman.
‘Obvious injuries on Zimmerman’s face’ are not statements, they are physical facts.
The evidence is the time it took him to get from the store till the shooting…..
What physical evidence is there? Besides the fact that he had been smoking weed? That alone will make you walk around aimlessly or with a sedated effect.
I believe you misunderstood. Zimmerman did not perjure himself. He answered honestly. The judge made an improper ruling.
So you wish everyone ignore all facts in this case that show that Zimmerman was a man trying to protect his fellow neighbors from becoming another statistic, and in the end, protect his own life.
You wish for others to believe he is a lier when all he did was heed some bad legal advice, but believe an obviously biased, inept and unprofessional affidavit that was filed against him for which the prosecutor who wrote it should be disbarred?
You probably want “justice” for Martins ‘sweet parents’ too, am I correct?
I only hope those ‘sweet parents’ make enough off Martin’s name and face to pajudgmentgement Zimmerman will receive against them.
I also came here to find this new evidence, but instead found a grossly misleading headline. -1 for pjmedia.
Foolish and ignorant is no way to go through life, lad.
Or, better advice to uncover the truth:
“Put Neidermyer on it, he’s sneaky little Sh*T just like you”
Sorry, do you ever actually READ the news? Or see it on TV? Or the internet?
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/New-George-Zimmerman-evidence-released-Tuesday/-/1637132/15275900/-/4k8hwm/-/index.html
It’s been all over the place. Kindly pay attention next time before acting like the high and mighty progressive you are.
New evidence prosecutor admitted on the record that Trayvon attacked George first its now on record. All the talk about profiling and chasing are a red herring after that, since George is in his right to defend himself.
Really< read it again. the new evidence is the old evidence is not exactly accurate. Becomes clear political pressure played a part.
Really, read it again. Becomes clear that political pressure played a part.
Really, read it again. Becomes clear that political pressure played a part.
This is a witch hunt, pure and simple. If the evil prosecutors succeed, an evil deed will have been accomplished. The prosecutors should be prosecuted and given justice for their crimes.
Someone who intends to murder someone in cold blood doesn’t first call 911 to say he’s tracking someone and give his location.
“Someone who intends to murder someone in cold blood doesn’t first call 911 to say he’s tracking someone and give his location.”
And, that is after a 5 minute phone conversation with the police dispatcher.
Further, prospective murderers do not get into a rolling-on-the ground fist fight with their intended victim, before pulling out their pistol.
Also, have the times of Martin’s cell phone conversations been matched with those of his platonic girlfriend ? Her testimony is relevant, but DID such a conversation actually take place.
WHO in the media supported the months long showing of a 10 year old as the image of Martin. Martin was a 17 yr old high school football player, tatted out, flashing gang signs on his web page titled ” No Limit N*GG* ”
In short, this has been a PR circus foisted by the race hustling attorneys who are angling for a civil penalty, presumably against the condo/housing association.
Both of Martin’s parents have quit their jobs, to campaign full time on this. There is a large retinue of attorneys and roadies that go out with the Martins for their publicity appearances.
The really disturbing thing about this fracas, IMHO, is the readiness of those who usually demand full due process for the accused and that every doubt be resolved in favor of the defendant, do a complete 180 when race is involved. They seem not to care a fig for the rights of the accused or the integrity of the process but simply demand a scalp as quickly and mercilessly as possible.
I shudder to think what might become of the country if the race baiters are able to get and keep political power.
The race baiters already have power. That’s why the Zimmerman case has become such a travesty of justice. It’s time Americans stopped shying away from being called “racist”, because that term has been worn to tatters and means almost nothing anymore. And that’s not a good thing, because when an American faces actual racism (such as George Zimmerman, for being a “white Hispanic”), nobody believes it.
IT is all a planned agenda to start riots. NOT the fact that it happened, but after it did, the CROOKED admin saw an opportunity to play this for all it is worth.
The Ovomit admin has promoted class/race/sex warfare for almost 4 years. They are hoping that they can stir up people enough to declare civil unrest and thus enact Martial law. Don’t be surprised if it happens around the elections so they can be called off.
Everyone here should pray to God Almighty that a scenario like that never happens here in America.
This would clearly be the end of this free Republic if civil / race war ever occurred.
You, Mr. Trebach, voted for Obama. Obama nominated Sotomayor for SCOTUS who could not answer the question asked by Sen Coburn, “Do people have a right to self defence?”
It’s good to see you catching on to the left, but will you vote for the Senator who voted to confirm Sotomayor? or Obamacare? Many people do not know the left, or Obama would never have been elected and McCain would have never been the GOP nominee. The main thing to know about the left is that they lie.
So, the lie is being told against Zimmerman. Zimmerman voted for Obama, and he had the chance to flee the country and its leftist lynch mob, but he stayed around. He gets to be this decade’s “trial of the century”.
Blacks shooting blacks is still no big deal; happens all the time, it’s a cultural thing and attracts barely a headline in the local paper. Whites (or white-looking, in this case) shooting blacks, however, will attract every level of the local, state and federal government, looking to make a name for themselves by putting the white-looking in jail. Even if the shooting is 100% justified, it will lead to terrible harassment, the thread of a long prison sentence, suffering and certain bankruptcy for the white-looking. Conclusion: if you can be perceived as white-looking, live as far away from blacks as possible to reduce the chance of having to shoot one.
Which leads me to wonder if I can buy a catastrophic insurance policy against having to shoot a black teenager in self-defense?
This process just further reinforces the 40-odd year causal chain of black isolation from the larger society: rotten and dangerous schools, no economic activity, and no investment except for sporadic government assistance. The perimeter gets richer, the city gets poorer.
only thing i want to know is wtf is a “non-Hispanic white”
At least in federal race reporting, such as through the Census, “hispanic/not hispanic” is a separate category — “ethnicity” — than the “race” category. You choose your race, and then you indicate if you’re hispanic or not hispanic. If you select “hispanic,” then you’re ONLY counted under “hispanic,” not under your selected race. To do otherwise would lead to double-dipping, with hispanics being counted as both hispanic AND white, black, etc. That’s while you see “non-hispanic white” or “non-hispanic black” fairly frequently.
“White hispanic,” on the other hand, is a convoluted term made up by the MFM specifically for this case, because they were bound and determined to turn this into a case of a white man killing a black child. That the victim was hardly a child, and that the so-called villain wasn’t white, doesn’t matter. It’s all about the narrative.
so a white non-hispanic is what use be known as caucasian? only now we must all be grouped in accordance to our hispanic root or lack thereof?
Archie Bunker.
A “white hispanic” is a Latino who doesn’t fit into the progressive narrative.
That Zimmerman was being railroaded was obvious, if for no other reason than how the MSM have treated his case. That is, each time some crucial piece of evidence appears, exonerating Zimmerman and placing Martin in a worse light, the less the MSM have reported on this story.
This Zimmerman case is the 21st century version of the Dryfus Affaire.
Detective Serino ignored the evidence that Martin walked around in the rain aimlessly looking at houses. He ignored the evidence that Martin had attacked Zimmerman and threatened to kill him, shouting: “You gonna die tonight, M__ F__!” The detective also ignored the obvious injuries on Zimmerman’s face during the interviews.
Very interesting – this writer calls Zimmermann’s assertions “evidence”.
Very interesting since assertions and testimony are most certainly NOT “evidence”.
“Evidence” is documentation, photos, artifacts etc.
There is no EVIDENCE that Martin did any of those things – there are only Zimmermann’s ASSERTIONS.
Very poor quality writing and logic from a guy who has done better in the past.
First of all, Zimmerman doesn’t NEED evidence to back up his assertions. In our system it’s not up to Zimmerman to prove that he didn’t do anything wrong, it’s up to the government to prove that he DID.
And secondly all the evidence that does exist has corroborated Zimmerman’s statements. All of it, not least the injuries to his face and the back of his head that can only have come from the kind of beating he says he was on the receiving end of.
There isn’t one single piece of evidence to support the idea that Zimmerman just up and shot an innocent kid for no reason. Not one.
“There isn’t one single piece of evidence to support the idea that Zimmerman just up and shot an innocent kid for no reason. Not one.”
There is just a dead unarmed teenager, that’s all…
So the presence of a Corpus equates immediately to evidence Zimmerman was guilty? QED?
I hope you never sit on a Jury.
It’s a hell of a lot more substantial evidence than the non-evidence presented in this article.
A body is only evidence for injuries sustained. The only evidence it presents in this case exactly corroborates the statement made by Zimmerman. Your racism is no evidence at all except in your own head.
You should really move to a country where your “guilty until proven innocent” mindset is more appreciated. Like Saudi Arabia. Then you can sit in judgement of women who had the audacity to be raped without making sure there were four male witnesses who could prove her innocence in court.
“Unarmed”?
How about we let a 17-year-old boy beat your head against the pavement for a while and see what happens.
You are forgetting that there was one, possibly two eyewitnesses saying that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding his head into the ground.
But that would not fit their narrative…it isn’t “convenient”, so those witnesses must be lying, right?
Using anonymous as a name shows you are a troll…trying to provoke and not discuss.
Poor dead thug you mean. Just another badass that will never get to lord his power over anyone ever. Stupid bro brought a screwdriver to a gun fight. Or as obumble states “they bring a gun, we bring bombs” or something like that
Well, “Kook”, Zimmerman’s “assertions” are backed up by witness accounts.
Are yours?
Captain Kook is a very appropriate moniker for you. Zimmerman’s testimony under oath is evidence. Whether the triar of fact chooses to credit it is another matter. It must be painful going through life being so stupid.
Captain Kook wrote: “Very interesting – this writer calls Zimmermann’s assertions “evidence”. Very interesting since assertions and testimony are most certainly NOT “evidence””.
Very wrong. You are apparently unfamiliar with some basic legal resources such as the Federal Rules of Evidence. If you will consult this easily available resource you will note that large sections are devoted to the standards by which witness testimony can be admitted as evidence (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Federal_Rules_of_Evidence/Witnesses).
The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes.
Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a claim; it is accepted only in lieu of more solid evidence. This is true regardless of the veracity of individual claims
Law
Witness testimony is a common form of evidence in law, and law has mechanisms to test witness evidence for reliability or credibility.
Some witness testimony could be described as anecdotal evidence, such as individual stories of harassment as part of a class action lawsuit.
However, witness testimony can be tested and assessed for reliability.
Examples of approaches to testing and assessment include the use of questioning, evidence of corroborating witnesses, documents, video and forensic evidence.
Where a court lacks suitable means to test and assess testimony of a particular witness, such as the absence of forms of corroboration or substantiation it may afford that testimony limited or no “weight” when making a decision on the facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
Zimmermann’s cedibility isn’t exactly on solid ground.
You are obviously not trained in the law.
Testimony, in affadavit, deposition, or courtroom, is evidence under the law. It is a simple truth, and you should confirm that for yourself.
It is the reason that you are under oath, and prosecuted if you lie.
Testimony IS evidence.
“Anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law.”
I guess I should have been more clear.
assertions and testimony BY THEMSELVES are most certainly NOT acceptable as “evidence”, especially if the source is not credible.
The source of these assertions:
“evidence that Martin walked around in the rain aimlessly looking at houses. He ignored the evidence that Martin had attacked Zimmerman and threatened to kill him, shouting: “You gonna die tonight, M__ F__!”
is the accused, Mr. Zimmermann, who is currently hoping to be forgiven for lying to the judge about his finances.
There is no EVIDENCE supporting those two assertions.
Wrong again Captain Kook.
Zimmerman gave testimony about Martin walking around aimlessly. He described this on a time-stamped, recorded phone call to the police dispatcher. The phone call ends and a few minutes later other calls to 911 are logged with time stamps and eyewitness testimony timelines all corroborate Zimmerman’s testimony. The elapsed time between Zimmerman’s call and the other, documented evidence is sufficient time for Martin to have walked home safely had that been his aim. Martin “wandered aimlessly.”
Testimony IS evidence, moron. Just like documents, photographs, blood. You are ignorant of the law and shouldn’t comment until you educate yourself.
Zimmermann is not credible as a witness – he already proved it to the judge.
All you have is the killer’s statement – nothing else.
Credibility is for a jury to decide – not you.
There is also witness testimony. Or are they lying too?
Captain Kook, your words are evidence that you don’t know squat about law. Zimmerman is not “the killer.” He is the ACCUSED. Testimony is evidence, even if it is from the accused; if it weren’t, no accused person would ever be called upon to testify in their own defense. Corroborated witness testimony, which Zimmerman and the other witnesses’ testimony is, is evidence. You are just plain wrong.
Its sad I have to point this out but testimony is evidence. You can counter it with other evidence of course, but it’s still evidence. It’s why you take an oath before you testify. Trayvons supporters have a poor grasp of how the law works, I’ve noticed.
There were other witnesses who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman before the gunshot, but of course you’re pretending Zimmerman’s injuries (bloodied back of his head, with concrete pieces in the wounds) were self-inflicted. So how does YOUR scenario go? Did George shoot Trayvon from a distance, then go embrace the corpse, pull it on top of him, and THEN slam his OWN head into the concrete a few times, just for effect?!
Trying to portray the Trayvon Martin shooting as a racist incident, serves the purposes of the Obama administration. By turning a justifiable shooting into something else, this administration strikes a blow against those who have concealed carry licenses. Those CCW licensees will now have to wonder if they are going to be charged and go through a legal nightmare, if they justifiably use deadly force to protect themselves. This has a chilling effect on the legal use of deadly force, and protects that criminal element, that would do violence to innocent citizens, rather than protecting the law abiding. Not only do citizens have to worry about law enforcement in their own jurisdictions, but they now have to worry about a politicized Justice Department, that will file civil rights violations in order to further intimidate any justifiable usage of deadly force and self defense.
Exactly kjastexas. Just one more reason not to vote for Obama. His Justice Department. If the rules only apply to certain individuals we are all in jeopardy of this happening to anyone. The CC permits are only good if they apply to self defense which is why I have one. The permits have kept down crime already. One only has to look at stats where guns are not permitted at all (i.e. Chicago).
Obama has made race relations much worse in the USA. This trend will continue for many years. Obama had a golden opportunity to change things. Start with the incident at Louis Gates residence-fast forward to Philadephia Black Panthers-many others and now the George Zimmerman “justice”.
Dead on People….
CCW’s are “legal” but “bad” and need to “fundamentally transformed”
Is this any different than Gunwalker?
Assault weapons are “legal” but “bad”…let make up a narrative that backs up our desire to shoe-horn facts that dont fit into political action….
Railroad Zimmerman, sell AK’s to drug dealers….who cares about innocent lives lost, when their are POLITICAL gains to be made?
“By any means necesarry”, right?
kjatexas
Florida’s SYG law as applied shields the CHL holder from civil suit if the shooting is justified under that context.I believe that under Texas Sec.83.001 that the use of deadly force if justified under Chapter 9 Penal code the defendant is immune from civil liability in the death or injury resulting from the defendants use of deadly force.That does not mean you cannot be sued, but if your action meets Chapter 9, the case will be judged in the defendants favor by the justification under Chapter 9. Corey’s decision to file 2nd degree murder charge is based on her belief that she can prove that Zimmerman contrived,provoked or planned the confrontation in order to use deadly force without regard for the life of his assailant.I do not know how she hopes to separate the physical evidence and visual witnesses that shows otherwise.
This is democracy.
Mob rule.
More to come…
In a democracy, it is the majority that rule, we happen to live in a Republic which makes the individual the important one. Mobs are not necessarily the majority, but mobs do not think, they just act.
You completely MISSED his point. This IS democracy – as in mob rule. There is no reason whatsoever why Zimmerman should have been arrested and charged for murder other than appeasing a murderous mob. None!
You have noticed that various people have said Zimmerman should to be found guilty in order to prevent riots?
Violent crime would go UP if that happened, IMO.
Really? Then explain the FED going after the cops on civil rights violations when they were found not guilty by a jury who evidently got to see the ENTIRE Rodney King video rather than the cherry picked portions the media ran on a non-stop loop for months on end.
Riots happened after the verdict so to appears the maurading beasts the FED found the cops guilty.
Nice rebuttal, there, Lolly. A totally irrelevant comment about other cases in other jusidictions, and ignoring how people are saying that the court has to find Zimmerman guilty or else there are going to be riots.
The “evidence” Obama was going to be a good president, was more severely lacking than the “evidence” posted here maintaining Zimmermans validity of the events.
How, Mr. Trebach, do you expect anyone to believe your “evidence” after that confession?
Zimmerman, the scapegoat, is already prepared for the sacrifice to satisfy the cries of the race baiters and leeches who capitalize on any perceived racial injustice. If Zimmerman was a fully legitimate Hispanic without a white father, the outrage would never have taken place – period. Call it like it is, an opportunity to further divide the races by the Al Sharpton’s, Eric Holder’s, and Barack Obama’s who depend on division for survival.
Justice in not just blind, it has no arms or legs in this case. All it needs now is a quiet burial.
Not sure where you got your info, Kook, but testimony most certainly IS “evidence.” If it weren’t, 95% of the criminal prosecutions in this country would be thrown out for lack of evidence, since they’re based entirely on “testimony” — i.e., one witness’s word against another’s. In those cases, the judges and juries have to decide which “testimony” to credit and which to discredit; but it’s all considered “evidence.”
I think what you’re trying to say is that this article fails to reveal any new corroborating evidence — meaning physical or third-party eyewitness testimony that corroborates Zimmerman’s version of the incident.
If that’s what you meant, then I have to agree with you. From this article, I can’t really tell one way or the other if the “new” evidence includes any independent corroborating evidence. The author fails to tell us.
Now, if we look at sources outside this column (like the link provided in MWR’s comment above), it seems that the new “evidence” did include results of a voice stress test, which indicate that Zimmerman was telling the truth when he told police that he feared for his life and acted in self-defense. While this “evidence” certainly favors Zimmerman’s innocence, unfortunately for him, that type of evidence probably won’t be admissible at trial (at least if Florida law is similar to the laws of other states).
Bottom line, due to the sketchy nature of the evidence that’s been made public so far, it’s best if we all withhold final judgment on this case till all the evidence is known. Once all evidence is revealed, if the prosecutor’s case proves to be as weak as it looks right now, I say let the hangings and disbarments of corrupt prosecutors begin then. But till then, everyone chill.
against Zimmerman is like the ebola virus, deadly and gruesome.
The appropriately named ‘Captain Kook’ said:
“assertions and testimony are most certainly NOT “evidence”.”
Actually, testimony is evidence. That is why there are so many evidentiary rules governing testimony–hearsay, excited utterance, statement against interest, etc., etc. Sometimes in criminal trials it is almost the only evidence. Stop watching so much television, Kook. It is not a substitute for an education.
Special Prosecutor, Angela Corey, is beginning to look like another Mike Nifong. When this is over the Florida State Bar should take a close look at her license. She seems like a licensed drunk driver crashing into everything on the street. Maybe it’s time to pull her license. Certainly she should lose her job. What a terrible choice for a special prosecutor.
Amen! Best comment yet. If only Captain Kook had one tenth of your brans.
Oatmeal.
“Actually, testimony is evidence.”
Yes, and its weight relates to credibility – of which Zimmermann has little left after lying to the court.
Corroborating evidence supports Zimmerman’s statements. There is no relevant credibility issue here.
The 800 lb gorilla in the room that is at the root of violence in the black community is single parent households. The decimation of the family in the black community is the root cause of the violence among young men. Great book from several decades ago by George Gilder “Men and Marriage”, it discusses the issue and predicts that as the illegitimacy birth rate rises and single parenthood spreads to other ethnicities the rates of violence in those groups will also rise.
This nightmare couldn’t happen without the connivance of our repulsive media.
Remember the doctored audio tapes, deliberate lying to drum up outrage, to establish “racism”, to find and work another self congratulatory spree. The moral corruption is something beyond ugly, and millions go for it. The black race hustlers are the only ones who might be lower, crawling filth that they are.
One of the biggest lies by the prosecution is that GZ was profiling TM. Yet when the dispatcher asked him was he W,B or H he said he looks black. That tells me that he hadn’t even thought of color or race until asked by the dispatcher. He was only concerned by the behavior of TM. According to the web site conservativetreehouse.com there is about twenty or thirty minutes of extra time from the time TM left the 7-11 until the confrontation. What in the hell was he doing in the rain for that time? They also mention a new “Drink” popular with the black street crowd called “Lean”. Guess what is in it? Arizona ice tea, Skittles and codeine. And what did our little boy buy that night? This whole mess cries out for a large swell of sane people protesting this travesty.
I know it’s just television but the other night I was watching an episode of Mad Men which is supposed to represent the life of Madison Avenue advertising men in the mid 1960′s. In this show, two main characters are walking down a dark NYC street late at night and are confronted by an armed robber. He demands they keep their heads down so as not to be able to identify him. They immediately comply and start handing over all their valuables. The robber pockets the goods and casually strolls away. Could life in New York City really be this way? The people acted like they were familiar with proper procedure and followed it to the tee. I watched in disbelief thinking anybody who tried this with me or most anybody I know would have their brains splattered all over the street in the next 2 seconds! The point here is that with big city gun control and politics, I am getting the impression that this is all kind of a big scheme which allows thugs of a certain race free reign to wander the streets at night and prey upon anyone foolish enough to be outside. All the gun control laws do is protect the criminal. I am beginning to wonder if all the gun control laws are really part of some pact between the politians and these race identity groups to allow them free reign. It’s as if the laws are there to punish anyone who defends themselves and lets the criminals not just go free but be protected from citizens protecting themselves. When the Travon Martin story first broke (after a month of coordinated organization between the media and the race industry) it was billed as an attack on the Florida Stand your ground law. Just as F&F was supposed to support the 90% lie, Travon was supposed to be the innocent 12 year old black child shot by a white vigilante under stand your ground. Just like with Brian Terry, as the truth started to come out, the people behind the PR campaign started covering their tracks, but it was the same thing. I used to believe that liberals were so strong for gun control just because if everybody defended themselves, crime would be almost nonexistant and we would not need such a big government footprint in law enforcement and the legal system. Now I am beginning to suspect that there is another reason they don’t want people being able to protect themselves against criminals.
Study the life and times of Adolf Hitler.
Gun control in Germany actually predated Hitler (the quotes and laws attributed to him relating to gun control have not been substantiated). Hitler used the political and criminal gangs to increase violence in Germany so people would call for a strong leader to stop the violence and crime (See “The Road to Serfdom” by Hayak). Once he was in power, he had the uncontrollable members murdered, and he became dictator. BTW, one of the things he accomplished was getting a ruling that he could pass laws that violated their constitution. Sounds familiar?
I lived up there for a while. I was warned never to go out on foot without at least $20 to give to the “muggahs,” to avoid a beating. It was their way of encouraging you not to make such mistakes.
There was a time when your typical progressive would endeavor to persuade you that perceptions of criminal activity by Black youths, such as was occurring in Zimmerman’s neighborhood, were the result of ingrained prejudice, “overpolicing,” and selective enforcement. No more. In the Orwellian matrix now imposed upon us, it is “racism” even to acknowledge the existence of such phenomena.
I saw Sharpton on the tube the other day, leading a protest about the “racism” involved in “stop and frisk” activities. I can’t for the life of me imagine why a police officer would now even think about conducting an “investigative detention” in a black neighborhood.
“Serino persisted and implied that Zimmerman had instigated the confrontation and said that Trayvon Martin “was not doing anything bad. … He was 17. … A kid with a future … not a goon.” ”
So, Serino is accusing Zimmerman of not being psychic and “knowing” that Martin was not intending anything criminal and not a “goon” (error: “goon” would be a strong arm mugger, Martin was acting like a burglar casing places). Another accusation is that Zimmerman was not able to see through a hoodie and the rain, in the dark, but did know with certainty that Martin was black? In addition, how was Zimmerman supposed to know that Martin was 17? Confront him and ask for ID?
Generally speaking, when it comes to issues of race, crime or racism, black Americans, at least those who express themselves, are delusional. Since 1970, 94% of black folks murdered have been killed by other black folks.
The delusion about crime is fed by articles by black writers that for years have amounted to nothing more than childish rhetoric where the same result is encountered in the end: black people are good, and white people are bad.
Despite massive evidence to the contrary, black Americans believe that the racial disparity of crime in America is due to whites getting away with it, and blacks not. Anyone who has read the black press will see this over and over and over again. Entire theories, studies and books are devoted to the idea of the New Jim Crow that in fact rise to the level of a conspiracy theory.
Black liberals, in any other forum, would be considered crackpot UFO enthusiasts. Melissa Harris-Perry, perhaps the calmest madwoman on American TV, states that our reaction to 9/11 was due to racism.
Zimmerman was lynched by the black Left is an “Aha! We told you so” moment that amounts to little more than stupidity plus madness. Among black Americans, the idea that whites are at the bottom of all black ills is monumental and it is really just as simple as that. There is no cure for childish stupidity and it is not a complex issue.
Childish stupidity is rather more likely if one’s IQ is 85 instead of 100.
How true statistics tell us that most common cause of death for a Black under 25 is to be MURDERED by ANOTHER Black. Black ‘yoofs’ between the ages of 15 and 25 who for LESS that 2% of the population of the USA commit OVER 60% of the violent crimes and OVER 50% of the MURDERS in the entire USA.
So was Zimmerman right to be suspicious that the Black gangster dressed ‘DRUG USING’ THUG Trayvon Martin was up to no good – no question at all OF COURSE HE WAS.
The RACIST Black Race HUSTLERS, the moronic Left Wing moonbats, the LYING CHEATING Democratic Party and their MOUTHPIECE the despicable Lame Stream EneMedia of course will never admit to or publish those DAMNING statistics.
IIRC, Malcolm X said that the laws were made for whitey, to benifit whitey and to keep the black people (and /he/ is the one who insisted that negroes be called “black”) down, and that black people should ignore all laws.
That was the very beginning of the surge in crimes against people who were black, by blacks. I doubt that blacks were treated as badly as they are now by other blacks back in the slave era by the white slave owners. Slaves cannot work if they are dead or crippled.
We can’t say we weren’t warned. This is what happens when we fail to open our hearts and minds to the wisdom of Derrick Bell — stress caused by inability to believe the obvious. If we’d believed when we were supposed to, if we’d had the courage to confront our inexorable existential condition of being racist in America, that ridiculous beer-in-the-Rose Garden thing wouldn’t have been needed. We would have obeyed the two brothers performing their civic duty as poll watchers. Et cetera. This is all our fault.
/ <— this is a SARC tag!
LOL – Isn’t it sad that you need one? The problem is (and Lovely Earth proves this every time he/she posts) that no matter madhatternutter you wax ironic as a liberal there are really people out there that not only talk like that they BELIEVE it!
Hey, genius up in Maryland, Zimmerman lied to the judge in open court. What does that do for your “new” evidence, of Zimmerman saying he did not have a problem with black people? He also let his wife claim to the judge that he, Zimmerman, was destitute, but it was a lie and she is being prosecuted for perjury. He was complicit it that lie.
Not exactly Einstein-like smartness.
Bah! Or maybe you really care about Bill Clinton testifying truthfully to the grand jury, not committing perjury, because it depends on the meaning of the word “is.” Real swift.
Zimmerman is an idiot, a lying idiot, and because of his idiotic decisions that night, a young man is dead. Manslaughter, 2nd degree, 12th degree, he ought to be prosecuted.
“Zimmerman is an idiot, a lying idiot, and because of his idiotic decisions that night, a young man is dead. ”
Yeah, the young man’s decision to sit on Zimmerman’s chest and pound his head repeatedly into the pavement had nothing to do with it. That was just a reasonable response to being racially profiled (never mind the dispatcher tapes showing that Zimmerman did not even know Martin’s race until after he started following him) by a liar who showed his contempt for black people by tutoring them.
Zimmerman’s bail was revoked because he is a lying idiot. Zimmerman is alive because he defended himself while he was having his head bashed in by a thug. Zimmerman’s problem is that he is insufficiently black, and a victim of a biased media smear. Why report facts when you can sex it up by making it up?
Zimmerman is going to walk because of prosecutorial overreach. Segue to riots, which will be the fault of racist whites on the jury who refused to convict the guy who killed the innocent black kid who was bashing his skull into the pavement.
He will get convicted, probably manslaughter. That is my guess.
Gangs of blacks have been making very violent attacks on a sole white person or a white couple. This shocking phenomena is minimized and ignored.
In the George Zimmerman case, it appears the government want to get the message across to all non-black Americans that if you defend yourself from a violent black attacker(s), the government will do everything in their power to turn you into a violent criminal aggressor, and the violent black attacker(s) will be transformed into the victim. It is a very scary message. Non-blacks are deeply hated by this administration. Non-blacks are not regarded as worthy of protection or the human right of self-defense.
Violent blacks are being given the green light to violently attack whites.
As Americans, regardless of race or color, we are all brothers and sisters. This is unacceptable to our government! They want us divided!
May God give justice to Zimmerman and protect him and his family from their many enemies. If Zimmerman receives justice and is given freedom, he and his entire family need to quickly re-locate to another country in order to remain safe. This is what our great nation has become. What a great tragedy.
The media is doing a LOT of propaganda. The UK Daily Mail for instance, constantly shows the photo of Trayvon Martin when he was a kid instead of how he actually looked!
This Zimmerman story has taken on the dimensions of another media lynching–that of Atlanta Olympics security guard Richard Jewel.
So sad that once the pit bulls of journalism get their teeth in a story they just can’t let go of the fantasy they’ve created.
Yeah – that popped into my head to. It was a damned shame what the media did to Jewel. The guy was a real hero and they ended up killing him. His life ended early BECAUSE of them. They ruined his life and he died young.
Sadly, it isn’t just the media. I know several liberals who jumped all over this when the story first broke, absolutely convinced Zimmerman was a racist murderer. Then the evidence all came out, but they refuse to admit they were wrong. All of them voted for Obama, too, and have the same problem with him. They cannot admit they made such a huge, idiotic mistake, so they just deny that it was a mistake. This mindset pervades liberal thinking. Ignore any fact that does not fit the narrative. Liberalism is a cult.
This is another Duke LaCrosse in the works, and no matter what happens, Zimmerman will lose. It’s too bad his last name wasn’t something to do with his latino heritage like Lopez. He might have been safer from the race hustlers then, but Zimmerman was all they needed to brand him as devil whitey.
It’s also interesting how they’re using this to brand self-defense laws as evil. I’m waiting for them to use it to go after Neighborhood Watch groups. After all, Zimmerman wouldn’t have been in the wrong place at the wrong time if he hadn’t been in the neighborhood watch. Isn’t it equally to blame for “poor, poor” Trayvon?
The neighborhood watch signs that were put up around here after Police told us to put them up have come down long ago. A call to Police about a suspicious person brings the response, “It’s not illegal to look suspicious” and to call if the suspicious person commits a crime. The neighborhood watches are long gone and no one watches out for anyone nor calls the police for anything. The bad guys won and they run the neighborhood the Cops all stay where ever they find to stay and life goes on.
Make it illegal to defend yourself and a whole bunch of people will get beaten, stabbed, shot and or robbed.
No one will see, hear, do or say a thing and the Police are on their own. Hope the Cops can still defend themselves cause disarming the Police is the next step in the anti gun agenda.
I won’t get involved unless it’s my problem on MY property.
Do police have to charge someone with a crime before investigating as to whether a crime has been committed?
It appears that the prosecutor’s original decision not to charge Zimmerman was correctly. But why did the police have to wait until Zimmerman was charged before collecting medical evidence of Zimmerman’s injuries and the ballistics report about Martin’s bullet wound?
Martin’s parents were right to wonder why police seemed to be doing nothing, knowing that their dead son was a fairly good kid (as black kids these days go). So they hired a public relations firm to drum up public outrage, and the information they distributed was unbalanced and biased. That’s what caused the whole mess, but can one really expect a parent to be impartial over the death of his child?
And no, we admit that Zimmerman is not a saintly model of prudence and and good judgement. Nor, it appears, is he a murderer.
Our best hope is that a well-covered trial publicizes that the evidence tends to support Zimmerman’s story (to reduce the riot-causing outrage) and finds him innocent.
What we can learn several lessons from this case. The Stand Your Ground law is a good law, but it should not exempt police from doing investigating when the truth is not obvious. Community self-defense is a good idea, but people who take it upon themselves stand on the front lines against crime need more than a gun — they need less-than-lethal options as well, such as martial arts, tasers or very hot pepper spray so that one does not simply replace a criminal assault with an assault by the legal system when the initial assailant is unarmed. And black youths should learn not to try to beat up people who offend them.
It amazes me that no one questions the narrative that Martin ‘innocently’ went to buy skittles and ‘tea’ when it is also as likely if not probable he brewed a mix of Lean.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2006/09/lean_a_new_hip_/
This story has quite a number of factual errors, and uses them to draw the reader to very shaky conclusions. For example, regarding Zimmerman as neighborhood watch, we have this:
http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-neighborhood-watch-organization/
In short, this article is not factual reporting, but is instead *Opinion*, and not particularly well thought out, nor well argued.
You may not care for Obama, but it does no good to your arguments nor your credibility, to misstate or manufacture facts, or create the appearance of conspiracy when none exists.
Good God. So because Zimmerman was not officially associated with a national organization, he was not engaged in the activity. And if I and a group of freinds decide to go pick up litter on a highway and are not officially part of the Adopt-A-Highway program, this proves we were not picking up litter. You morons remind me of Frank Burns in MASH. “Gambling is illegal on this base. So he could not have lost the money gambling. Therefore it was stolen.”
Think I’ll go shoot some hoops out back. Oh, wait, I’m not officially part of the National Basketball Association, so that means if I say I was playing basketball later on, I’d be lying. Bwaaahaha!
You don’t have to be in a national organization to be concerned about strangers acting strangely in a gated community.
Gated communities are private property. Homeowners are free to ask anyone what he is doing there. It is not the same as challenging someone on a public street. Instead it is more like asking what someone is doing in your yard.
Since when do concerned neighbors in a gated community need to be part of a nationally recognized organization? It’s private property and they had been the victims of breakins and home invasions – IN A GATED COMMUNITY!!! His neighbors all back him up.
As for Obama – the man is an f-ing IDIOT!! Since WHEN does a sitting president put himself in a police investigation and try and bias the outcome by going on national TV (he gave a speech – it was filmed and televised. Doesn’t matter he didn’t do it from the oval office) telling the freakin WORLD that if he’d had a son he’d look like TRAY-VON! The man is a disgrace!
The despicable Mary Frances Berry, who was amazingly a former chairwomen on the U.S. Commission for Civil Rights once said: “Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them”, is as brazen as her apparent belief in having that special shield which means no matter what she says, it’s not racist, even when it is.
Ms. Berry also wrote in July of 2010: “Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans.” Publicly admitting that one is a liar and a race pimp in only 2 sentences is rare and why I used the word despicable.
This is the black political Left. Anyone who has read the black press will see this type of nonsense 1,000 times. It is what is at the bottom of the Zimmerman dust-up. Perpetuating urban myths about white lynchings and racism pays dividends to the black Left. Some of them are clearly lying ala JournOlist, some of them may believe their own BS. It’s a racist lie either way, and these people are not making any friends in America, aside from bend-over white liberals who put up billboards about white privilege.
Spread an urban myth long enough and you may eventually find it’s true. And in that case, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Actually it is you who are incorrect. Mr. Zimmerman WAS a REQUESTED watchman in that condo complex by way of the homeowner’s association. He had been so for 8 years. One need not be a member of the National Neighborhood Watch organization in order to be asked to patrol. so much for your theory. Also, The Grio is a race-specific website. Griot is a term used to describe a tribal storyteller in the Mandinka tribe of Africa.(See alex haley’s book, “Roots”)
The reason that Barry will never deal honestly with black on black crime is because his far left ideology states that black Americans would not prey on one another if they were not forced into poverty by evil white people. He learned this from Jeremiah Wright.
With a Justice system we have to today, if I had the means and method I would jump bail. Zimmerman has been threatened with a bounty, an innocent couple was endangered because the wrong address was posted on the internet, and this judge revoked bail because Zimmerman “lied” but has appeared and surrendered each time he was called up. The justice department is already drawing up papers to charge Zimmerman for a federal hate crime law, even if found innocent. Zimmerman is the real victim, of a judicial system gone amok.
I can’t belive that everyone is missing the real agenda here. “The whitehouse ordered Holder to appoint a “Special Prosiciutor”". The agenda has nothing to do with race and everything to do with Obama/Holder”s desire to use this case as a point to show that that the average person has no right defending themselves there for has no right or need to own guns. It was supposed to be “Fast and Furious” but they screwed that one up. So now they will try and use this as “see we told you so, if people have guns innocents get killed” Watch if this kangaroo court gets the conviction they want then is will be next on the agenda. The problem they are having and will have is that they have no evidence to back their case and all the evidence showing that Zimmerman did the right thing defending himself.
you want more information – this website has done an amazing job of keeping up with the reality…
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/
FROM BAD TO WORSE . . . . When Obama mischaracterized a legal confrontation in the past, he called for a beer summit to accompany a learning moment; whereas, today, Obama mischaracterizes a legal confrontation and the nation becomes divided between truth and fiction.
Should the situation be described as a Saul Alinsky moment . . . . or a Cloward-Piven moment?
SAul Alinsky. Cloward-Piven is the policy to overwhelm the the economic system of capitalist countries by loading overloading them with welfare queens so the system collapses under the load and they can replace it with their utopia.
Saul Alinsky tactic (#12 I think) is to pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, and demonize it.
They did this to each and every one of our presidential candidates. They are doing it to Zimmerman – trying to dig up every bit of dirt they can even if it’s going back to his college days and some guy who felt bullied, even though he couldn’t produce a single incident. It was just a “feeling.”
Sick of the Whole racial thing!! I wish black people would get a grip the slavery is over and quit looking for that get rich ccard. You never hear other races complian like they do? They are the biggest cry babies, the most lazy, always ready for government hand out, always fighting, and yet they wonder? Why don’t people respect me? Ummmm, pull your pants up, speak correctly ( fity cents), and above all GET A JOB!!!! duh!!!!!!! Then maybe someone would care. I’m not racist just sick of the complainers who want others to change just not themselves!
Agreed. It amuses (and sickens) me, that the MSM are always digging for “reparations” for Black slavery in the USA, while ignoring the real, historic FACTS: Africa has for long been the object of eastern Islamic domination, control and slavery, under the Arabians, Egyptians, and Sudanese of old.
I’ve always wondered at the left’s insistance that it’s always the White Man’s fault, and that therefore all the guilt and reparations are still THE WHITE MAN’S BURDEN to bear, but then it hit me:
Liberals are racists – they always assume that ONLY White, Western people (including, of course, the Jews in Israel,) are INTELLIGENT enough to be judged guilty of being truly evil, while all their pet “People Of Colour” (including, of course, the “swarthy palestinians,”) just can’t help being violent animals, the poor oppressed little dears, so they’ll always indulge their crimes, much as one ignores the new puppy as it pees on the rugs.
So here’s some FACTS, (wryly coached in the liberal’s own usual victimology-sales terms for them):
When the ancestors of the Germans, French, and British lined their tall ships up along the African coast, the Arab moslems sold them some of their own stocks of Black slaves, from their thousands-of-years-old historic slave markets – for a time, until the cowardly Westerners became relatively quickly ashamed of themselves, and all those White men voted to end what they called the “vile,” entrenched islamic practice world-wide, thus imposing their unwanted cultural values of universal freedom on the helpless slavers.
Without this farce, today’s Black American descendants would still be back in Africa, and still enslaved to some moslem Arabs, inshallah!
We could always round them all up and send them to Liberia……;^P
No surprise here — the time-honored “noble savage” meme, courtesy Jean-Jaques Rousseau! Typical Libtard to believe and regurgitate whatever teach tells you.
It’s what they do for that “Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval”. It’s why they end up working for the Government. — Perfect “Babbitry”. They are “Babbit”, the lot of them. — Traits of character and intelligence that don’t get you very far in private industry. Why they keep craving more Government. Why they go for the superficial narrative, like in this TM case. Why they become control freaks: little other chance of “keeping the goodies coming”. Why they don’t like free market competition. Why they hate Capitalism. Why they hate Liberty. Wy reason, to them, arises from the “dialectic” of force and faith.
Why BO said he’d have a son like TM. It’s the ONE time he wasn’t lying. The tragedy is that HE would NEVER comprehend that, had he such a son, that kid would be likely to have ended precisely as TM did! — The unreal narrative: that’s the whole Libtard secret. Narrative retardism IS their RELIGION!
WAAAWAAAAWAAA!!!!
I want reparations because they called me a RACIST.
I want reparations because food stamps is RACIST.
I want reparations because I can’t get a job or welfare with my skin color.
I want reparations because I can’t form a caucasian fraternity.
WE need a “white” Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or Louis Farrakhan.
WHO CAN’T PLAY THIS GAME? LET’S GET THIS PARTY STARTED.
The evidence hasn’t been this overwhelming since the OJ trial.
Zimmerman doesn’t have a chance.
That’s what this country has become.
It’s very close to the point of not being worth saving, in which case, it will be every man for himself, and against the government if you aren’t one of the favored classes.
If it can’t be saved I’m hoping for an orderly break up. Conservatives can live with conservatives in their own country and liberals can escape to New York because whatever they design will end up like Mad Max in Thunderdome. Whereever they live we need to blow up brdiges and dig motes so they can’t get back into the conservative (free) lands.
lolly: I have been thinking of this for about three years. I am amazed that nobody is actually giving this serious thought.
It should be obvious that we no longer have a Constitutional Republic. We are lurching toward a totalitarian state. And a Mitt presidency will not change things. The left has insinuated themselves so deep into culture, academia, local, state and federal governments, and MSM that we will never be able to live together. We have nothing in common.
So what are our options? Whine and complain? Acquiesce? Secede? Civil War II?
After Zimmerman is acquitted, he should seek compensation from the very media that falsely condemned him from the beginning.
That’s what REPARATIONS are really about.
There’s already precedence for this type of case.
And this will make some super sweet news.
If there is anything stupider or more masochistic than a Jew who supports anti-Semite and anti-Israel Obama, it is a Hispanic who supports Hispanic lyncher and “Fast and Furious” mass killer of Mexicans, Obama.
The inconvenient “little secret” is that most white people in America do not have an ancestor who held slaves, but most black people in America do. At least 80% of black people in America are part white. Where do you think that part white came from?
At its very height, only 3% of Americans owned slaves. Virtually all the owners were democrats (or proto-democrats). All government tracking of race needs to end. If you want to stop racism then we need to stop ALL official recording of race.
EXACTLY. No Affirmative Action. No 1/32 Cherokee. No Hispanic. No mention !
Thumbs up on that one. You’re the postor of the day! AMEN!
Feralcat I think they would be mortified too if they realised that their Messiah Saint Obambi is genetically connected through his womanizing, polygamous, absentee, Undesirable mooching Alien, Communist, MUSLIM Father to Black/ARAB SLAVE TRADERS and as such with his privileged RICH White upbringing in Hawaii has nothing whatsoever in common with the average African American at all.
But of course their BLACK RACISM prevents them and the Left Wing moonbats from even inquiring in to the USURPERS background.
The sad news is, professor, is that despite your view that Zimmerman is the victim of a racial lynchmob, led by Obama and his AG, you admitted you voted for him last time and I have little doubt you are about to vote for him again. This kind of lynching will only accelerate if you’re successful at getting him reelected. Heaven help us if you succeed.
I remember, way “back in the day,” the first time I was ever followed around in a store because of what I looked like. P*ssed me off. How dare they make assumptions about me just because I liked the way my hair looked when it wasn’t combed, just because I “fit the profile” of someone who did drugs, who lived slightly outside the law (after all, when you do drugs, you have to get them somewhere), and who walked around with eyes spinning like pinwheels, thinking no one would notice. Oh, did I mention…I was a white, female hippie. Took a while for me to figure it all out: when you are doing stuff that is illegal, you get p*ssed off at folks who even look at you funny, even when they aren’t looking at you funny. You make folks nervous who are trying to create a positive life for themselves, because those who compromise their values in one area are more likely to compromise in other areas. My apologies, all these many years later, to those I made nervous. I’m lucky to have escaped those stupid years with only the damage I did to myself.
Well said, Gracie! Thank you for your blunt honesty.
What rational person especially a mild shy person like Zimmerman obviously is, would just shoot someone how absolutely no reason at all, that makes no sense at all?. Zimmerman was both provoked and very frightened to take the exteme action he did, he definitely not guilty of murder
Deluded Racist Blacks and naive gullible stupid Left Wing moonbats egged on by Black Racist Race HUSTLERS like Sharpton and Jackson and the despicable Video tampering Lame Stream EneMedia have made up their minds that “WHITE” Hispanic Zimmerman is guilty and no evidence to the contrary no matter how conclusive will penetrate their thick skulls.
The clue of course lies in the despicable EneMedia description of Zimmerman as a “WHITE” Hispanic and just that word WHITE has all the RACISTS and their HUSTLERS foaming at the mouth. The extent of this derangement can even be seen in some of the posts on here.
Forget that Black THUGS just like the DRUG USING Trayvon Martin are responsible for over 50% of the MURDERS in the USA and over 60% of the violent crimes even though they only for LESS than 2% of the USA’s population. No to morons and Race Hustlers Zimmerman is WHITE Trayvon is Black and is dead so WHITEY just MUST be guilty of anythin THEY want to INVENT about him.
Drug Using, gangsta wannabe, SELF proclaiming ” No Limits Nigga” attacks and injures a Neighbourhood Watchkeeper and gets SHOT.
Nothing to see here no story the THUG got his just desserts.
This incident happened months before it hit the news. It was deliberatly held off until the “War on Women” that the Democrats claimed was being waged by the Republicans began to dry up as a story, The Democrats always keep a file of potential stories on file to divert attention from their dismal record. It is icing on the cake if it follows the liberal agenda. The Travon Martin case was next in line. What “news” stories are they holding in reserve for October to divert attention from all the failed Obama policies?
Zim should have backed off but he did not throw down this kid was no angle. Once sharpton takes up ur cause u r a joke haven’t heard obama bring this up lately. Prosicuter just postponed riots for holder she will be a joke when this gets to court
To George’s supporters, it is of course most distressing that he did not make full disclosure to the court of the donations sent to him to defray his legal and living expenses. There are, however, some mitigating factors. Let me come at this sideways. How would you feel if you learned that the donation you sent was viewed by a judge as a basis for the amount of bail, and your donation was to be used for bail, leaving George in much the same position had you sent nothing? Well, I’ll tell you how I would feel: that I was being taunted by the judge. So here George is, the victim of a racially and politically fueled judicial lynching, and the judge gets the idea in his head that he has the right to strip you of the only resource you have to fund your defense. And would not the prosecution petition for even higher bail, should donations continue to accumulate? Sure, O’Mara took the defense pro bono, but do you really suppose he’s going to put a $mil or so of his own into this monster? At the time George failed to bare his breast about the fund, it had not been transferred to a trust account, beyond reach of the court. It was right there on the table, for Lester to rummage through and decide how much, if any, he would leave you with. “But why didn’t he trust the system?” Because there comes a point at which one may rationally question one’s duties to the state.
When Martin first attracted George’s attention, he wasn’t just “wandering aimlessly.” At the one minute mark of the reenactment, George states he saw Martin, well off the pavement, looking “into” the residence at 1460, a house that had been “hit” before.
Oh! Everyone just mad because Trayvon Martin looks so much like Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s son. Maybe, just maybe?
The very fact that Barry HUSSEIN Soetero Kardashian, America’s first USURPER Gay, Celebrity President, IDENTIFIES with the Black, drug using, gold toothed ‘gangsta wannabe’ THUG should tell any intelligent person a whole lot about Obama and his RACIST views.
OMG, Pragmatist you really know this guy, which shows you’ve done your home work
Except that Zimmerman was also Black, by common American definition (one-drop rule).
If I was aware of someone chasing/following me in the rain, in the dark, I would run home as fast as I could and not look back. Why didn’t Trayvon run home?
If Travon was such a good kid why had he been kicked out of school 3 times on drug issues? He was a punk.
its sad all we here is zimmermans story, had travon martin survived would we here a different story? i want you all to think about this, your in a new neighborhood, and you get lost, or your cutting through people lawns because its quicker(we all have done it the short cut through the neighbors yard) all of sudden someone is following you, and not identifing him self, had zimmerman annoucned he was with crime watch and can i assist you, situation could have been avoided, no he pursued travon, so was travon in fear for his life, felt he couldnt make it home in time? what would you do, put your self in travons shoes, had zimmerman follwed procedure and not pursued travon and play wanna be vigilante, and let the cops do their job, situation could have been avoided
Oh? Zimmerman had to catch up with Martin in order to identify himself. What’s he going to do? Yell from a hundred yards away who he is? (And he’d have to get out of his car to be heard, anyhow, and that’s contrary to what Martin’s sympathizers say Zimmerman should do, anyhow. Do you have any evidence that Zimmerman (who was about 6″ shorter than Martin) was somehow acting in a menacing fashion? We know from other sources that Martin was a cocky teenager, why would he run from someone smaller than him?
I’m not at all sad that Martin is dead. From what I’ve been able to discover regarding him, he was a waste of oxygen.
Phillep:
I’d never classify anyone as a waste of oxygen unless they’d given up on themselves and the world in general. Even then, it would be their decision to consider themselves as such long before it would be mine.
All that aside, has anyone noticed that this is an election year and that we have a black president who cannot run on his record of accomplishments because he’d never get reelected?
Trayvon is a strawman. This election will hinge on identity politics. The Democrats will play this for all it’s worth, because what happened in Florida is still happening throughout this country, and not even the election of our first post-racial president has been able to put a damper on things. Or so the narrative will go. Minority groups in this country have been played, a la PT Barnum, but have been ignorant of, or can’t quite own up to that little factoid.
As an African American male, I shudder to think that we could find ourselves going backwards in this country as far as race relations go. There are some people out there who have no shame in their pursuit of power, or their desire to retain it.
Your sense of loyalty can be taken advantage of, but not your sense of duty. Your emotions can be manipulated, but not your intelligence.
‘Nuff said.
I am a black woman who lives in a gated comunity, we have a 20% Black 25% hispanic 40% white and 15% oriental, middle eastern and american Indian. We started having a lot of home invasions, and robery in the parking lots an the small park we have. All of the home invasions were commited by blacks and 98% of the roberys were also blacks. I got robbed and I reconized two of there voices, one was a friend of mines child and she said the same things Trayvons mother did. He’s agreat kid would never do such a thing …
I am black and the problem in black communitys is we don’t put or foot down on our own crime. Some parents think it’s ok to rip off a white person unless they get caught, because they think they owe us something. If a black commits a crime most of us root for them to not get caught. instead of policeing ourselves we turn a blind eye. and we wonder why over 50% of the people in prison are black and we are only 12% of the population in The USA. WE need to stop turning our backs to black crime and if we see them commit a crime no matter how young, we need to put a stop at at our level in our community.