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		<title>By: New York City Apartments</title>
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		<dc:creator>New York City Apartments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As financing gets tighter and the stress continues for all those apartment buying financing. Manny of New York City management companies and NYC developers looking to list out their condominiums (Condos), Lofts and apartments for rent as a NO FEE Rentals all Over Manhattan including Battery Park, West Village, Chelsea, Tribeca, Financial District, Flatiron, Hudson heights, UES, UWS.</description>
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		<title>By: Tommye A. Parry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommye A. Parry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for what appears to be as factual report on the possible terrorist attack.  If an individual (Mr. Zazi&#039;s trips to Afghanistan and Pakistan) working low paying schedule jobs makes overseas trips and to countries where
terrorists are prevalent, then he is subject to being under surveillance and his actions investigated when he deviates from his normal domestic routine. May God save, bless and protect our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for what appears to be as factual report on the possible terrorist attack.  If an individual (Mr. Zazi&#8217;s trips to Afghanistan and Pakistan) working low paying schedule jobs makes overseas trips and to countries where<br />
terrorists are prevalent, then he is subject to being under surveillance and his actions investigated when he deviates from his normal domestic routine. May God save, bless and protect our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do we arrest potential terrorists too early and allow them to plead to lesser charges? Or do we wait and risk an attack?&quot;

It&#039;s up to your prosecutors to offer a plea deal or not.  There&#039;s no reason why any terrorist should off on a plea deal if the investigation has real evidence.  If you ACTUALLY meant &quot;get convicted for intent, rather than actions&quot;, then I think the choice is pretty obvious.

As for the risk, then a trade-off is to place the perps under surveillance so you know what they&#039;re up to.  I imagine that this is necessary to build a case anyway.  Then someone has to make a judgement call.  

I think the bigger risk (as shown by the outcomes) is the risk of locking away people who only look like they&#039;re a threat, rather than actually being one.  I&#039;m pretty sure this has happened once in australia - the guy was more a loser bozo than a honest-to-goodness bad guy with means.  The US has had a number of cases which border on &quot;entrapment&quot; - i.e, while the perps clearly said what they said and did what they did, they&#039;d never had even considered their plans if FBI informants hadn&#039;t talked them into it, funded them and/or made sure they had access to materials.  I don&#039;t want to challenge their imprisonment - an idiot is an idiot, in my book.  But I have to wonder if it&#039;s the best use of anyone&#039;s time or resources to create terrorists.  Surely the ones that already exist are a more serious concern.

But legally blurring the line between intent and actions is nuts.  That&#039;s not the answer.  The objective is to protect the public - not win bragging points.  Once you&#039;ve got someone on a terrorist charge, you&#039;ve got them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do we arrest potential terrorists too early and allow them to plead to lesser charges? Or do we wait and risk an attack?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s up to your prosecutors to offer a plea deal or not.  There&#8217;s no reason why any terrorist should off on a plea deal if the investigation has real evidence.  If you ACTUALLY meant &#8220;get convicted for intent, rather than actions&#8221;, then I think the choice is pretty obvious.</p>
<p>As for the risk, then a trade-off is to place the perps under surveillance so you know what they&#8217;re up to.  I imagine that this is necessary to build a case anyway.  Then someone has to make a judgement call.  </p>
<p>I think the bigger risk (as shown by the outcomes) is the risk of locking away people who only look like they&#8217;re a threat, rather than actually being one.  I&#8217;m pretty sure this has happened once in australia &#8211; the guy was more a loser bozo than a honest-to-goodness bad guy with means.  The US has had a number of cases which border on &#8220;entrapment&#8221; &#8211; i.e, while the perps clearly said what they said and did what they did, they&#8217;d never had even considered their plans if FBI informants hadn&#8217;t talked them into it, funded them and/or made sure they had access to materials.  I don&#8217;t want to challenge their imprisonment &#8211; an idiot is an idiot, in my book.  But I have to wonder if it&#8217;s the best use of anyone&#8217;s time or resources to create terrorists.  Surely the ones that already exist are a more serious concern.</p>
<p>But legally blurring the line between intent and actions is nuts.  That&#8217;s not the answer.  The objective is to protect the public &#8211; not win bragging points.  Once you&#8217;ve got someone on a terrorist charge, you&#8217;ve got them.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas_L......</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas_L......</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you intervene too early, a group of serious terrorists intent on doing real harm may appear to be only a bunch of kids with fantasies full of grandeur and a lot of bravado.&quot;
Here&#039;s an idea. Zero tolerance and severe penalties for any and all terrorist conspiracies. If they are indeed merely the latter, that&#039;s too bad. Maybe the next group of idiots will learn something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you intervene too early, a group of serious terrorists intent on doing real harm may appear to be only a bunch of kids with fantasies full of grandeur and a lot of bravado.&#8221;<br />
Here&#8217;s an idea. Zero tolerance and severe penalties for any and all terrorist conspiracies. If they are indeed merely the latter, that&#8217;s too bad. Maybe the next group of idiots will learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: brucearnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>brucearnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than answer the call of party-line hack Utah State Rep Curtis Oda to &quot;proudly&quot; run Ole Glory up a pole and celebrate 9-11 ... a date which should more appropriately live in infamy like December 7 ... I chose instead to mark the 8th anniversary of our 2nd Pearl Harbor by riding 1100 miles from South Florida to the DC suburb of Silver Spring MD. In so doing, I logged my 43rd Iron Butt ride and not coincidentally my &quot;11th&quot; SaddleSore 1000... I had a mixed agenda for my stay in our nation&#039;s capital, including gazing at the gaggle of true believers in Glenn Beck&#039;s 9-12 Project gathered on the National Mall for an Astroturf Tea Party. What I saw was life imitating art, with Beck playing the role of deranged &quot;Network&quot; TV anchor Howard Beale while his staged, sign-waving and media-seeking followers vied to broadcast their prepared sound bytes and declare with Twitter-compliant brevity why they were &quot;mad as Hell&quot; and &quot;not going to take it anymore&quot;... More here: tinyurl[dot]com/n7hmuc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than answer the call of party-line hack Utah State Rep Curtis Oda to &#8220;proudly&#8221; run Ole Glory up a pole and celebrate 9-11 &#8230; a date which should more appropriately live in infamy like December 7 &#8230; I chose instead to mark the 8th anniversary of our 2nd Pearl Harbor by riding 1100 miles from South Florida to the DC suburb of Silver Spring MD. In so doing, I logged my 43rd Iron Butt ride and not coincidentally my &#8220;11th&#8221; SaddleSore 1000&#8230; I had a mixed agenda for my stay in our nation&#8217;s capital, including gazing at the gaggle of true believers in Glenn Beck&#8217;s 9-12 Project gathered on the National Mall for an Astroturf Tea Party. What I saw was life imitating art, with Beck playing the role of deranged &#8220;Network&#8221; TV anchor Howard Beale while his staged, sign-waving and media-seeking followers vied to broadcast their prepared sound bytes and declare with Twitter-compliant brevity why they were &#8220;mad as Hell&#8221; and &#8220;not going to take it anymore&#8221;&#8230; More here: tinyurl[dot]com/n7hmuc</p>
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		<title>By: Leatherneck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leatherneck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moho,

What do you think of your fellow followers of Mohammed,(SBOH),? Oh, that&#039;s right, change the subject, and insult folks.

Please, let me know you are not Apostate, and will get up today planning murder on the infidel, like your cohorts in the above posted subject. At least, they are good Muslims trying to appease allah the moon god.

ROPMA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moho,</p>
<p>What do you think of your fellow followers of Mohammed,(SBOH),? Oh, that&#8217;s right, change the subject, and insult folks.</p>
<p>Please, let me know you are not Apostate, and will get up today planning murder on the infidel, like your cohorts in the above posted subject. At least, they are good Muslims trying to appease allah the moon god.</p>
<p>ROPMA!</p>
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		<title>By: Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My citizenship and official residence are US, but I live outside the country.  According to the rules of my host nation, I must have my passport with me at all times.  That passport contains full information on my status here: my visa, when I must report my address to the police again (every 90 days), how long I may stay here, my reason for being here.  It is all in my passport.  The local equivalent of a US &quot;green card&quot; is unavailable to me.  

Nothing like this is imposed on aliens in the USA.  Their passports do not contain full information that allows anyone to determine whether they are legal visitors or immigrants.   

IMHO the USA does not need and should not admit more Muslims.  Yes, that&#039;s islamophobic of me; I remind everyone that &quot;phobia&quot; means fear, and our fear is fully justified.  Entire neighborhoods participate in a culture of silence that allows violent fanatics to hide and operate; if Muslims were the good citizens they claim to be, this would not be possible.  Mass murder is on the agenda for a minority of Muslims, and the USA would be fully justified to shut the door on all because of that minority.  Fair?  Decent?  That can be disputed, but the threat cannot.  Peaceful Muslims immigrate and their children, born in the host nation, become jihadis; that&#039;s the British experience.  The risk is too great.  

Further, the ultimate weapon of Islam is demographic.  As Libya&#039;s dictator Khaddafi noted, Europe is surrendering to Islam bit by bit, and will eventually -- perhaps in three or four generations -- no longer be part of Western Civilization.  That disaster should not be trivialized simply because it seems slow; in fact, it&#039;s a seismic event, and is taking place rapidly.  Accordingly, we should ponder the consequences of harboring a large Muslim community in the USA.  Assimilation is not likely, as Islamic values are in many specifics antithetical to the cultural roots of the USA. 

Change the policy: no Islamic immigrants. Then change the rules: all visitors must carry full identification at all times (as I have to); those overstaying their visas, which can be determined by looking at the required passport, are deported immediately, no exceptions.  No passport?  Out you go, now; after all, US citizens have to have a passport simply to shop for an afternoon in a Mexican border town, so why shouldn&#039;t all aliens in the USA have to have one, as well?

As things stand, we make it hard on no one but ourselves.  It&#039;s time to stop being silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My citizenship and official residence are US, but I live outside the country.  According to the rules of my host nation, I must have my passport with me at all times.  That passport contains full information on my status here: my visa, when I must report my address to the police again (every 90 days), how long I may stay here, my reason for being here.  It is all in my passport.  The local equivalent of a US &#8220;green card&#8221; is unavailable to me.  </p>
<p>Nothing like this is imposed on aliens in the USA.  Their passports do not contain full information that allows anyone to determine whether they are legal visitors or immigrants.   </p>
<p>IMHO the USA does not need and should not admit more Muslims.  Yes, that&#8217;s islamophobic of me; I remind everyone that &#8220;phobia&#8221; means fear, and our fear is fully justified.  Entire neighborhoods participate in a culture of silence that allows violent fanatics to hide and operate; if Muslims were the good citizens they claim to be, this would not be possible.  Mass murder is on the agenda for a minority of Muslims, and the USA would be fully justified to shut the door on all because of that minority.  Fair?  Decent?  That can be disputed, but the threat cannot.  Peaceful Muslims immigrate and their children, born in the host nation, become jihadis; that&#8217;s the British experience.  The risk is too great.  </p>
<p>Further, the ultimate weapon of Islam is demographic.  As Libya&#8217;s dictator Khaddafi noted, Europe is surrendering to Islam bit by bit, and will eventually &#8212; perhaps in three or four generations &#8212; no longer be part of Western Civilization.  That disaster should not be trivialized simply because it seems slow; in fact, it&#8217;s a seismic event, and is taking place rapidly.  Accordingly, we should ponder the consequences of harboring a large Muslim community in the USA.  Assimilation is not likely, as Islamic values are in many specifics antithetical to the cultural roots of the USA. </p>
<p>Change the policy: no Islamic immigrants. Then change the rules: all visitors must carry full identification at all times (as I have to); those overstaying their visas, which can be determined by looking at the required passport, are deported immediately, no exceptions.  No passport?  Out you go, now; after all, US citizens have to have a passport simply to shop for an afternoon in a Mexican border town, so why shouldn&#8217;t all aliens in the USA have to have one, as well?</p>
<p>As things stand, we make it hard on no one but ourselves.  It&#8217;s time to stop being silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane O"Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane O"Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband works in lower Manhattan and was there on 9/11.  It was the most horrible day of our lives.  The last I heard from him on that day, he was just leaving the building with our niece.  Five minutes later Tower 1 came crashing down.  All I could imagine was that my husband and niece were on the street when that happened and that they were probably dead under the rubble.  What would I tell our only child...how would we go on...was this to be a systematic attack...what would be next...should we leave NY ...how would I ever know what happened to my husband...?  Thank God he survived.  I heard from our niece late that afternoon.  They had found a way out of the city and were working their way home.  However, the horrors that they witnessed (bloodied people, bodies, people jumping out of the windows and crashing to the ground...the fear for their lives...has forever scarred them emotionally and psychologically.  We who love them have been forever scarred by the trauma of not knowing and imagining the worst.  How about those who lost their lives and their families.  I was with a woman today who lost her father on 9/11. He worked for Cantor Fitzgerald a company that lost a large number of people on that day.  I saw the pain, trauma, and shock still in her eyes and with this latest plot weighing heavily on my mind (both my husband and now my son, our only child, work in lower Manhattan and must use the train and subway system which are apparently areas involved in this latest plot of terror)all of my fears, anxieties, and obsession with what is going on and their safety is crushing me once again, as I imagine it is crushing countless others.

This country is in dire need of prayer and vigilance and the police, the CIA, and the FBI should be given everything they need to sniff out and stomp out these plots and those who would perpetrate these evil crimes against humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband works in lower Manhattan and was there on 9/11.  It was the most horrible day of our lives.  The last I heard from him on that day, he was just leaving the building with our niece.  Five minutes later Tower 1 came crashing down.  All I could imagine was that my husband and niece were on the street when that happened and that they were probably dead under the rubble.  What would I tell our only child&#8230;how would we go on&#8230;was this to be a systematic attack&#8230;what would be next&#8230;should we leave NY &#8230;how would I ever know what happened to my husband&#8230;?  Thank God he survived.  I heard from our niece late that afternoon.  They had found a way out of the city and were working their way home.  However, the horrors that they witnessed (bloodied people, bodies, people jumping out of the windows and crashing to the ground&#8230;the fear for their lives&#8230;has forever scarred them emotionally and psychologically.  We who love them have been forever scarred by the trauma of not knowing and imagining the worst.  How about those who lost their lives and their families.  I was with a woman today who lost her father on 9/11. He worked for Cantor Fitzgerald a company that lost a large number of people on that day.  I saw the pain, trauma, and shock still in her eyes and with this latest plot weighing heavily on my mind (both my husband and now my son, our only child, work in lower Manhattan and must use the train and subway system which are apparently areas involved in this latest plot of terror)all of my fears, anxieties, and obsession with what is going on and their safety is crushing me once again, as I imagine it is crushing countless others.</p>
<p>This country is in dire need of prayer and vigilance and the police, the CIA, and the FBI should be given everything they need to sniff out and stomp out these plots and those who would perpetrate these evil crimes against humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: sbnative</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbnative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morton, sadly, has a point. It&#039;s time for the U.S. to get the big wake-up call that most of the West has already had... We must fight back. Please see: www.actforamerica.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morton, sadly, has a point. It&#8217;s time for the U.S. to get the big wake-up call that most of the West has already had&#8230; We must fight back. Please see: <a href="http://www.actforamerica.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.actforamerica.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think enough intelligence has been gathered, and deciphered, on who comprises the 5th column of the Sons of Allah in lands that are minority Muslim.  Whatever protection they thought citizenship or permanent residency accorded has to be removed.

Using the law to prevent integration is more of a display of the worst aspects of humankind, rather than the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think enough intelligence has been gathered, and deciphered, on who comprises the 5th column of the Sons of Allah in lands that are minority Muslim.  Whatever protection they thought citizenship or permanent residency accorded has to be removed.</p>
<p>Using the law to prevent integration is more of a display of the worst aspects of humankind, rather than the best.</p>
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