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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve reached a stage in american politics where it&#039;s about politicians, not politics (totally different issue).  It&#039;s as if ideas don&#039;t even matter anymore; which is kind of the point of a democracy.

Once upon a time Nazis executed millions of jews.  Who paid for it ?...Palestinians.  They were evicted from their homes and they are constantly under seige by Israel.  The idea that Israel is fighting for their right to be in their homeland is a myth.  How many wars have you heard of that last 7 days ?  Israel is heavily armed, heavily supported, and they are in no danger of losing their country.  I&#039;ll admit that the &quot;palestinian leaders&quot; haven&#039;t done a good job of getting international support with their terrorist tactics; Arafat was no gandhi.  

What&#039;s strange is I read a poll the other day that suggested 80% of Israeli citizens support Obama, while something like 20% approve of their own leader. Google it.

The problem is whenever we discuss the middle east nobody wants to look at the details.  They always assume that muslims are a bunch of terrorists and our hands are clean.  We used Osama to fight russia in afghanistan, armed saddam to fight iran for a decade, and even tried to put in our own leader in iran which was later killed, and so on...Israel is no exception.  We support Israel as a state, give no real thought about a palestinian state, and go on believing Israel is our democratic ally and the palestinians are a bunch of terrorists and that&#039;s that.

I don&#039;t have anything against Israel; for years I thought they were decent people who wanted to live in their home land and were constantly being attacted because of their religion.  I got that idea probably from the media, but after a little research I realized I was very very wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve reached a stage in american politics where it&#8217;s about politicians, not politics (totally different issue).  It&#8217;s as if ideas don&#8217;t even matter anymore; which is kind of the point of a democracy.</p>
<p>Once upon a time Nazis executed millions of jews.  Who paid for it ?&#8230;Palestinians.  They were evicted from their homes and they are constantly under seige by Israel.  The idea that Israel is fighting for their right to be in their homeland is a myth.  How many wars have you heard of that last 7 days ?  Israel is heavily armed, heavily supported, and they are in no danger of losing their country.  I&#8217;ll admit that the &#8220;palestinian leaders&#8221; haven&#8217;t done a good job of getting international support with their terrorist tactics; Arafat was no gandhi.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s strange is I read a poll the other day that suggested 80% of Israeli citizens support Obama, while something like 20% approve of their own leader. Google it.</p>
<p>The problem is whenever we discuss the middle east nobody wants to look at the details.  They always assume that muslims are a bunch of terrorists and our hands are clean.  We used Osama to fight russia in afghanistan, armed saddam to fight iran for a decade, and even tried to put in our own leader in iran which was later killed, and so on&#8230;Israel is no exception.  We support Israel as a state, give no real thought about a palestinian state, and go on believing Israel is our democratic ally and the palestinians are a bunch of terrorists and that&#8217;s that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have anything against Israel; for years I thought they were decent people who wanted to live in their home land and were constantly being attacted because of their religion.  I got that idea probably from the media, but after a little research I realized I was very very wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruvy,

Not at all the response I expected. And, no, you are not the kind of commenter I was talking about.  Everything you said follows a clearly articulated internal logic, one that you already recognize I don&#039;t subscribe to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruvy,</p>
<p>Not at all the response I expected. And, no, you are not the kind of commenter I was talking about.  Everything you said follows a clearly articulated internal logic, one that you already recognize I don&#8217;t subscribe to.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By voting for Mr. Obama, American Jews are helping to bring America down. It is poetic justice as they received no thanks for having first helped to build it up. Mr. Obama is destroying America, not Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By voting for Mr. Obama, American Jews are helping to bring America down. It is poetic justice as they received no thanks for having first helped to build it up. Mr. Obama is destroying America, not Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

&lt;i&gt;Secondly, your commenters are kinda crazy. I think you have a responsibility here, because their comments are re-published by Pajamas Media on a page showing your article.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m one of the commenters you are complaining about.  Now do remember that I live in a Jewish village in Samaria.  And do remember that we Jews in Samaria will fight for what is ours.

Let&#039;s get a few things straight, Josh.  You are entitled to your twisted views of what you think is right and wrong, and if the rest of the world goes along with you, fine.

We Jews are destined to stand alone, apart from mankind, and your assertions only prove that prophecy.

Seventy-five years ago, when the Nazis decided to kill us off world-wide, the international community of nations didn&#039;t give a tinker&#039;s dam.  They met in a cabal at Evian, France, and decided that we were not to be admitted to any refuge in their fine lands - countries like the United States, Britiain, France, etc. etc.  On the night that the Nazis rampaged through Germany, killing Jews in 1938, the night known as &quot;Kristallnacht&quot;, the British unveiled a policy of shutting the doors of this country to the one people who had sovereignty over it, the Jewish people.  At least a million Jews died because of this illegal subversion of Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel.  &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The leader of the &quot;Palestinian Arabs&quot;,  Amir el-Husseini traveled to Berlin to personally lobby Hitler for the building of death camps to kill European Jews in Europe, so that they would not be sent to the Land of Israel.  So let us hear no garbage about us Jews persecuting poor innocent Arabs as did the Nazis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.

Neither the United States Army Air Force, nor the RAF ever bombed a single concentration camp or railway leading to one - ever - during the entire conflict known as WWII.  

The British Empire threw all of its strength behind murderous Arabs who tried to kill us off in this nation in 1945-49.  The Americans embargoed arms here.  In 1967, the Americans tried to bully the government of Levi Eshkol not to attack the Arabs first.  Fortunately, Eshkol didn&#039;t listen.  In 1973, the Americans succeeded in bullying Golda Meir into not attacking first.  For forty-two years, behind the scenes, the United States and most of the powers of Europe have been stabbing us in the back in all sorts of ways, ways that have cost us thousands of lives.

Since your &quot;international law&quot; sentenced us to death 75 years ago, and continues to do so, we have no need to pay any heed to it or to worthless hypocrites who whine over its alleged violation.

Given that history, what do you think we owe you, Josh?  Do you think we should obey what you or your uncaring compatriots world-wide call &quot;international law?&quot;  I&#039;ll tell you what you interfering foreigners are owed.

Nuclear bombs to destroy the cities of those Europeans and Americans who persecuted us or who have tried to destroy this nation.  The list is long, starting with Rome, Istanbul, Madrid, Berlin, London, Kiev.  Should I continue?  Our vengeance upon you for your barbaric behavior towards us over 19 centuries is what you are owed - nothing more.  That is justice - that is righteousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p><i>Secondly, your commenters are kinda crazy. I think you have a responsibility here, because their comments are re-published by Pajamas Media on a page showing your article.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m one of the commenters you are complaining about.  Now do remember that I live in a Jewish village in Samaria.  And do remember that we Jews in Samaria will fight for what is ours.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get a few things straight, Josh.  You are entitled to your twisted views of what you think is right and wrong, and if the rest of the world goes along with you, fine.</p>
<p>We Jews are destined to stand alone, apart from mankind, and your assertions only prove that prophecy.</p>
<p>Seventy-five years ago, when the Nazis decided to kill us off world-wide, the international community of nations didn&#8217;t give a tinker&#8217;s dam.  They met in a cabal at Evian, France, and decided that we were not to be admitted to any refuge in their fine lands &#8211; countries like the United States, Britiain, France, etc. etc.  On the night that the Nazis rampaged through Germany, killing Jews in 1938, the night known as &#8220;Kristallnacht&#8221;, the British unveiled a policy of shutting the doors of this country to the one people who had sovereignty over it, the Jewish people.  At least a million Jews died because of this illegal subversion of Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel.  <b><i>The leader of the &#8220;Palestinian Arabs&#8221;,  Amir el-Husseini traveled to Berlin to personally lobby Hitler for the building of death camps to kill European Jews in Europe, so that they would not be sent to the Land of Israel.  So let us hear no garbage about us Jews persecuting poor innocent Arabs as did the Nazis</i></b>.</p>
<p>Neither the United States Army Air Force, nor the RAF ever bombed a single concentration camp or railway leading to one &#8211; ever &#8211; during the entire conflict known as WWII.  </p>
<p>The British Empire threw all of its strength behind murderous Arabs who tried to kill us off in this nation in 1945-49.  The Americans embargoed arms here.  In 1967, the Americans tried to bully the government of Levi Eshkol not to attack the Arabs first.  Fortunately, Eshkol didn&#8217;t listen.  In 1973, the Americans succeeded in bullying Golda Meir into not attacking first.  For forty-two years, behind the scenes, the United States and most of the powers of Europe have been stabbing us in the back in all sorts of ways, ways that have cost us thousands of lives.</p>
<p>Since your &#8220;international law&#8221; sentenced us to death 75 years ago, and continues to do so, we have no need to pay any heed to it or to worthless hypocrites who whine over its alleged violation.</p>
<p>Given that history, what do you think we owe you, Josh?  Do you think we should obey what you or your uncaring compatriots world-wide call &#8220;international law?&#8221;  I&#8217;ll tell you what you interfering foreigners are owed.</p>
<p>Nuclear bombs to destroy the cities of those Europeans and Americans who persecuted us or who have tried to destroy this nation.  The list is long, starting with Rome, Istanbul, Madrid, Berlin, London, Kiev.  Should I continue?  Our vengeance upon you for your barbaric behavior towards us over 19 centuries is what you are owed &#8211; nothing more.  That is justice &#8211; that is righteousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh SN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Hornik,

Since E. Jerusalem is internationally recognized as not, in fact, part of Israel, any settlements there are a violation of international law. I know you disagree, but please understand that the rest of the world sees this as theft of land, and it does not matter that some book, all written more than 2300 years ago, says it is OK. That same book, especially in Judges, explains how their deity doesn&#039;t always let them have a land, and often scatters them to the wind. I&#039;m not sure, but it sounds like you are presuming to know the deity&#039;s will in this matter.

Secondly, your commenters are kinda crazy. I think you have a responsibility here, because their comments are re-published by Pajamas Media on a page showing your article.

Thirdly, what Netanyay told his cabinet about Arabs being allowed to live anywhere in Jerusalem is not, in fact, what we in the business like to call &quot;the truth.&quot; I don&#039;t know whether it is rank ignorance or an out-right lie, but Arabs cannot buy land held by the ILA or the JNF. In fact, an Arab couple went to the Israeli supreme court and won their case in 2000 to move in, but, last I checked, in 2005, they were still being blocked. The Israeli government is ignoring its own supreme court to block Arab ownership.

I know this is all very unpleasant and unbelievable to you, and I don&#039;t know any subtle way of explaining it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Hornik,</p>
<p>Since E. Jerusalem is internationally recognized as not, in fact, part of Israel, any settlements there are a violation of international law. I know you disagree, but please understand that the rest of the world sees this as theft of land, and it does not matter that some book, all written more than 2300 years ago, says it is OK. That same book, especially in Judges, explains how their deity doesn&#8217;t always let them have a land, and often scatters them to the wind. I&#8217;m not sure, but it sounds like you are presuming to know the deity&#8217;s will in this matter.</p>
<p>Secondly, your commenters are kinda crazy. I think you have a responsibility here, because their comments are re-published by Pajamas Media on a page showing your article.</p>
<p>Thirdly, what Netanyay told his cabinet about Arabs being allowed to live anywhere in Jerusalem is not, in fact, what we in the business like to call &#8220;the truth.&#8221; I don&#8217;t know whether it is rank ignorance or an out-right lie, but Arabs cannot buy land held by the ILA or the JNF. In fact, an Arab couple went to the Israeli supreme court and won their case in 2000 to move in, but, last I checked, in 2005, they were still being blocked. The Israeli government is ignoring its own supreme court to block Arab ownership.</p>
<p>I know this is all very unpleasant and unbelievable to you, and I don&#8217;t know any subtle way of explaining it.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar the Grump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar the Grump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas
Glad to see you cleaned up your act.   You really scored some points, keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas<br />
Glad to see you cleaned up your act.   You really scored some points, keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar the Grump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar the Grump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharonsj #38
If you are still looking for change, please look in your pocket.   That&#039;s all you will have left with Obama&#039;s economic program.   Here is a new thing the Obama health care program is an economic thing not a social one.  Do you really believe that one too?

You just think you are a liberal, you&#039;re on a conservative blog.   Use your brains and embrace reality.   You no longer believe Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharonsj #38<br />
If you are still looking for change, please look in your pocket.   That&#8217;s all you will have left with Obama&#8217;s economic program.   Here is a new thing the Obama health care program is an economic thing not a social one.  Do you really believe that one too?</p>
<p>You just think you are a liberal, you&#8217;re on a conservative blog.   Use your brains and embrace reality.   You no longer believe Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Arcuri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Arcuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall that during the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign one pundit (Victor Davis Hanson?)compared Barack Obama to an inert gas. I remember how apt that description seemed at the time, and it was somewhat of an epiphany in my own process of trying to understand Obama as a person. Contrast this with Benjamin Netanyahu, who is both engaged and engaging. To think that the robotic Obama would have the audacity(!) to lecture Netanyahu on matters pertaining to no one but the actual residents of Israel just illustrates more plainly how out of touch and arrogant the current resident of our White House actually is. Israel should look to its own abilities to protect its freedom, and no longer entertain any illusion that the U.S. will back up its decision to defend itself. We now have the &quot;Teleprompter-in-Chief&quot; at the head of our armed forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall that during the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign one pundit (Victor Davis Hanson?)compared Barack Obama to an inert gas. I remember how apt that description seemed at the time, and it was somewhat of an epiphany in my own process of trying to understand Obama as a person. Contrast this with Benjamin Netanyahu, who is both engaged and engaging. To think that the robotic Obama would have the audacity(!) to lecture Netanyahu on matters pertaining to no one but the actual residents of Israel just illustrates more plainly how out of touch and arrogant the current resident of our White House actually is. Israel should look to its own abilities to protect its freedom, and no longer entertain any illusion that the U.S. will back up its decision to defend itself. We now have the &#8220;Teleprompter-in-Chief&#8221; at the head of our armed forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Samizdat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samizdat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas at # 70,

You have put your finger on it and understand better than I. It must be quite complicated. Israel and history are the logical result of pogroms etc. Self destruction and supporting the ones who wish to do you in is illogocal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas at # 70,</p>
<p>You have put your finger on it and understand better than I. It must be quite complicated. Israel and history are the logical result of pogroms etc. Self destruction and supporting the ones who wish to do you in is illogocal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;blah blah&quot; about Netanyahu saying &quot;no&quot; to Obama is just a diversion by an evil government to draw attention away from its real agenda, a slow but steady expulsion of Jews from their homes in Judea and Samaria.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132528&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Watch this video&lt;/a&gt; and see what the real agenda is, and what will happen as a result.

The &lt;i&gt;judenrat&lt;/i&gt; on Government Hill commits more treason daily.  And Obama is like a target marker for us who refuse to be forced from our homes here.  And those &quot;Israeli&quot; traitors and self-hating Jews who bow to the evil prince of the setting American sun make themselves into targets - marked by the target marker. themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;blah blah&#8221; about Netanyahu saying &#8220;no&#8221; to Obama is just a diversion by an evil government to draw attention away from its real agenda, a slow but steady expulsion of Jews from their homes in Judea and Samaria.  <a href="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132528" rel="nofollow">Watch this video</a> and see what the real agenda is, and what will happen as a result.</p>
<p>The <i>judenrat</i> on Government Hill commits more treason daily.  And Obama is like a target marker for us who refuse to be forced from our homes here.  And those &#8220;Israeli&#8221; traitors and self-hating Jews who bow to the evil prince of the setting American sun make themselves into targets &#8211; marked by the target marker. themselves.</p>
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