Netanyahu: Obama Crossed a Red Line
For those wondering what President Obama meant when he reportedly told American Jewish leaders that Israel needs to “engage in serious self-reflection,” the answer wasn’t long in coming.
Tensions have now emerged over building homes for Jews — not in large West Bank settlements, but in East Jerusalem, which was annexed by Israel in 1967 and ever since has been part of a united Jerusalem in which Jews, Christians, and Muslims live and worship freely.
On Thursday, someone in the State Department — responding to pressure from Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas — told Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren that the Obama administration wanted Israel to put a halt to a housing project in East Jerusalem. The plan is to build 20 apartments in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah. The site is near Mount Scopus (home to the Hebrew University and Hadassah Hospital) and Israel’s national police headquarters, has been in private hands since it was bought by U.S. millionaire Irving Moskowitz in 1985, and was a border police station from 1987 to 2002.
It was Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s government that reportedly decided to go public with the matter, as a way of conveying that when it comes to construction, Jerusalem is a red line.
Netanyahu told his cabinet on Sunday:
We cannot accept the fact that Jews wouldn’t be entitled to live and buy anywhere in Jerusalem. I can only imagine what would happen if someone suggested Jews could not live in certain neighborhoods in New York, London, Paris or Rome. … United Jerusalem is the capital of the Jewish people in the State of Israel, and our sovereignty over the city is not subject to appeal. … There is no ban on Arabs buying apartments in the west of the city, and there is no ban on Jews building or buying in the city’s east. This is the policy of an open city.
On Monday, U.S.-Israeli tensions appeared to be flaring on another front as well. With Defense Secretary Robert Gates reportedly planning to visit Israel next week to discuss Tehran’s nuclear program, a “senior U.S. defense official” was quoted as coming out strongly against an Israeli strike on Iran:
“A unilateral third-party attack on Iran’s nuclear program,” the official reportedly said, “could have profoundly destabilizing consequences. … It would affect Israel’s security and it would affect our interests, and the safety of our forces in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere. … It’s a pretty big deal, and given the closeness of our relationship with Israel, I think we would hope that they would take those strategic calculations into account.”
The statement contrasts sharply with Vice President Joseph Biden’s assertion just two weeks ago that “Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else.” In hindsight, Biden’s words were either a gaffe or part of an attempt by the administration to sow confusion in the minds of the mullahs; the former seems more likely.
Who will support Israel besides most Israelis? NO ONE is the simple answer.
That said, with the EU actively funding anti Israel organisations both inside of Israel and outside, with the Obama administration using Israel as its all purpose punching bag and handy distraction from its failed international outreach programs, Israelis are resigned to the fact that they must look out for themselves, as no one else will. With freinds like Israel has in the west, who needs enemies!!!
So, will the Jews roll over for self destruction for the 2nd time in a century, Obama had better believe that the answer is no and figure it into his calculations. Israel is one of the only western countries prepared and well prepared to defend itself to the bitter end.
“Netanyahu is said to lack any direct channel of communication, let alone chemistry, with Obama”
The only person involved that lacks anything is Obama. He lacks character, dignity, intelligence and the respect of Americans needed in order to be an effective president.
As far as that so-called poll indicating American support for Israel plummeting from 69 to 49 percent; someone is smoking something.
First off the support Americans have for Netanyahu is along the lines of that that they had for George W. Bush right after 911. Ninety percent plus and strong.
Second, how in the world do you measure support decline as a rate? Percentage of support, a certain amount and rate of decline or ascension are mutually exclusive.
Go for it Israel – follow your heart. Americans are strongly united with you. And shortly, we will get rid of the infections in Congress and the absurdity in the Whitehouse.
The majority of American Jewry will still vote for Obama and the democrats come 2010 and 2012.
I’m waiting for an event that moves the number to less than 50%. Hopefully it won’t be major casualties in Israel from some another war/terrorist event brought on by Obama’s policies.
Wow, we are so lucky to have such a divine President. He wants to run a car company, destroy the domestic economy, play Robin Hood and give the spoils to his voting block, and now he wants to be housing dictator to another country. Wow, we are not worthy. The US is not a big enough stage for this guy and his ‘prompter. No sirree. Let’s all agree to set him free from this small time job so he can be King of the World. (sarcasm off)
@Red Line Fever
It’s possible that 90% of Americans support Israel, but they vote for the democrats who do not support Israel, including 80% of jews in the US. Most Jews in the US is not just democrats, they are outspoken republican-haters. I have been watching a lot of Congress hearings lately and It’s been a virtually who is who in Republican-hating Jewish Democrats. Jews in the US want to see Israel fail – full stop.
“…the rate of Americans who call themselves supporters of Israel plummeting to 49 percent from 69 percent last September.”
THESE EX-SUPPORTERS OF ISRAEL ARE OBAMA DEMOCRATS.
My fellow American Jews: WAKE UP!!!!!!!
The ineptness displayed by the Obama administration in its relations with Israel is simply stunning. Obama really thinks that if he grovels to the arabs and the Iranians, kisses up to them, appeases them, compliments them, and never criticizes them, they will simply adore him. Now Obama is coming to the sad realization that the arabs and the Iranians have their own agenda and it doesn’t include the Israelis. Obama is alienating our only real friend in the entire region, Israel, in hopes of getting on the “good” side of a bunch of countries known for their corruption, greed, bigotry, and religious fanaticism. Way to go, team Obama. Obamam is even worse than Jimmy Carter, if you can believe that, when it comes to dealing with Israel. At least Carter tried to treat Israel and Egypt as equals during the Camp David negotiations. But Obama is treating Israel like some vassal state or banana republic, where he thinks Israel will jump to whatever demand Obama feels like issuing. This really is a sad state of affairs and a dangerous one too. One day we may need Israel’s help in dealing with countries like Iran and Syria and they will simply shrug and tell us to go to our new arab “friends” for that help. I just fear there may be nothing left of our special Israeli-American relationship by 2012. Oh yes, but we will be good “friends” with a nuclear-armed Iran, I’m sure of that.
It’s been obvious for years that the sympathies of the hard core American Left are with the Muslims. They “FEEL” the “plight” of the Palestinians. Despite all warning signs about B. Hussein Obama during the Primary, his friendship with Farrakan, Wright, and the Palestinian Professor, whose name escapes me, the American Jewish community voted overwhelmingly for the man. When pointing these things out to Jewish friends during Primary season they pooh poohed and minimalized and parroted the Party line. Despite the fact of G.Bushes and the Amer Rights solid support of Israel, they voted Democrat. If we are to try to stem Obamas unconstitutional “re-making of America” into his own personal communist vision, we have to remove the Democratic majority in Congress in 2010, then remove the man who would be Supreme Leader in 2012. We need the Amer Jewish vote to help us accomplish this. Hopefully they will put down the Dem Party kool-aid and join us in removing the incredible mistake, Obama.As far as the referred to poll, I haven’t seen it. In my personal experience only hard core Leftist, who account for perhaps 20% of Americans, are anti-Semitic. For myself, Long Live Israel, and God bless Her and America.
I wish we had a leader like Bibi who would put his country first.You have to understand most American Jews are liberals first and Jews second.They could care less what happens to Israel.Make no mistake-radical Mulims know they have a kindred spirit in the half-White House who will do nothing to stop their aggression against the Jewish state.Israel knows they’re on their own and must defend themselves alone.
Make no mistake, President Obama is a real and present danger to Israel’s security. I hope Israelis know that they have the unwavering support of countless Americans, no matter what Obamacrats may say to the world.
Israel will do what it has to do. Obama and his henchmen may squawk and slap a few wrists but in the end, I believe enough US citizens will rise up to swat down Obama radicalism and then sensible relations will be reestablished between the US and Israel.
Where is the US Senate and US House of Representatives on this issue of disallowing Jews to build homes but allowing Muslims to build homes? Whatever happened to the Democrat Party and its supposed support for Israel? The Democrat Party is now bascially the party of Pat Buchanan and Barak Obama…two peas in a pod. We now have the convergence of the old time country club Jew hating Republicans like Buchanan, and the Stalinist left wing Democrats that thought it was OK for Stalin to make a pact with Hitler. Well, the world has come full circle in less than 75 years and as Jews we now find ourselves with the a World that has made it plain that they would rather be friends with Ahmadinejad than to prevent the next Shoah.
#7
Obmama is a muslim at heart. Israel best ignore him.
I think it’s time for Obama to do some of that “self-reflection” that he asked Israel to partake in. What it says about the US President when he is now siding with terrorists against Israel is indeed frightening for all of us.
A simple question must be asked: Is Obama WITH Israel or AGAINST them?
The answer to that question would quickly answer this one: Is Obama WITH terrorists or AGAINST them?
I have beens saying for the past few weeks that Obama is a prisoner of the neo-Facsist/Progressive eliminationist narrative. He has hitched his wagon to the discredited and illegitimate regime in Tehran and will suffer the regional consequences of his ignorance. Already we have seen that the Sunnis, led by Saudi Arabia, are looking to Israel to deter or defeat the Iranian drive towards regional hegenomy. They have no faith in Obama’s America.
Obama’s ignorance of the region is on display as he courts Iran’s dictators and lumps Shia and Sunni, Arab and Persian together. He shows a bigot’s ignorance or culture, race and ethnicity.
He also put his ineptness on display by pressuring Israel on the Jerusalem construction issue. His pressure on Israel will not bring them to heal as his Chicago gangster insticts tell him. Obama may think he is giving Israel and offer they can’t refuse but he will find out that a nation armed with nuclear weapons and the sophisticated means of delivering them not only can refuse the offer, they change game entirely. His pressure will increase Israeli will to do something about Iran sooner rather then later.
Obama spent twenty years cavorting with jew haters.
He bows to a muslim king.
That anyone could be surprised at what is going on is astonishing.
Barack Obama is deliberately or stupidly stirring up trouble for Israel. My money is on deliberately. No one could be that stupid.
“Arabs and Iranians have thir own plans that don’t include Israel,” and the Marxist “absurdity in the White House” has his own plan which doesn’t include Israel either. He is not only treating Israel like some Banana Republic,he is treating America like some banana republic. He is BRO(Banana Republic Obama,a would-be banana republic Marxist dictator.
I stand with Israel, we are part of the 10 tribes: of Israel that God scattered throughout the world. I believe we are into “the time of sorrows” which will bring great destruction. God loves His creation, but He does punish us because of our sinful nature if we don’t repent; and follow His teaching. The “father of lies” has a strangle hold on most of the world. But God has promised a special protection for whoever accepts His son Jesus. Satan & his followers can kill my body, but he can’t touch my soul. I believe the US Government is following satan. Please, Israel, I pray all your people and our people return to Him for His blessings before it is too late!
Lets put some sanity in to this argument. . The Mandate of Palestine was designated by the League of Nations in 1921 (yes I know thats an inconvenient date for Mohammedans and their ‘libtard’ apologists as it totally destroys the Holocaust guilt argument) anyway the Mandate was supposed to be split roughly 50/50 between Jews and the ARAB invaders . So what is the current situation well the ARAB invaders currently occupy over 80% of what was the original Mandate and STILL the Mohammedans and their PC, MC moonbat ‘libtards’ apologists want Israel to give up more of the less than 20% they have as can be readily seen by the fools posting such on here.
Arab INVADERS ? I hear you ask well thats what they are and the ONLY claim they have to the Holy Land is ‘right of conquest’ a claim they want to deny to Jews of course wonder why ??? LOL
Even more proof that Winston Churchill was absolutely correct when he said :
“Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.”
This is not about LAND it has never been about LAND it is just a Mohammedan excuse to KILL Jews.
USABruce wrote “It’s been obvious for years that the sympathies of the hard core American Left are with the Muslims. They “FEEL” the “plight” of the Palestinians.”
I am afraid that we’re all going to feel their ‘plight’ one of these days with all of the concessions made for them throughout the US and Europe. As another blogger said that Israel is the only western country prepared to defend itself. I agree with that although I don’t understand it. I don’t understand why we will allow ourselves to be deluded in this way. Can’t we see the dangers and warning signs? Israel has to do what it has to do, and so ‘should’ we.
As a German I deeply apologize for the anti-Israel politics of the German government! I am upset and ashamed, ashamed, ashamed!
“Despite all warning signs about B. Hussein Obama during the Primary, his friendship with Farrakan, Wright, and the Palestinian Professor, whose name escapes me . . .”
Rashid Khalidi.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDFkMGE2MmM1M2Q5MmY0ZmExMzUxMWRhZGJmMTAyOGY=
I, however, remain curious about his relationship with Khalid Mansour:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcC0QAd0Ug
The signs of warning have crept in to alert
us. Will we, and Israel, act wisely; and
utterly defeat radical is-lammm–or will we
betray israel and our Creator God. The path
is indeed narrow; and our choices few. In her
above post, littlerivers delivers the truth; we
would all be well advised to sober-mindedly
contemplate that which approaches, due in large
measure to our failures, determined by our sin.
Betrayal of Israel is a sin and would result in a curse; while support would merit a blessing.
The question is: Who does Obama, and, his cult following support?
D. Grant Chee asks (#22): “Who does Obama, and, his cult following support?”
This is where the rubber will meet the road. Do the Obama worshipers support his pro-terrorist anti-Israel stance? I await the liberal posters who have defended Obama at every turn on PJM. Will they be willing to come forward and say that YES they do support his anti-Israel agenda?
It will be VERY telling if (and who) comes out to defend Obama on this.
Bibi/Palin in 2012. If BHO is eligible, why not Bibi?
Mariana # 20 have you been watching old British comedy shows on PBS you sound just like a comedic German parody.
Obama is getting away with his anti-Israel and pro-terrorist policy because he knows he can count on the unconditional support of American Jews. The reason for this still escapes me but that is the political reality in the US taday.
American Jews are the ones who need a bit of self-reflection. Will they continue supporting a man who wants to dialogue with countries working to destroy Israel and the Jews or will they see Israel’s security as something that should take precedence over ideology?
Right now, it is the former and I see no sign of change in that policy. Other than Orthodox Jews who are squarely supporting Israel, the vast majority of secular, liberal and mostly assimilated American Jews support Obama regardless of the consequeces on Israel. These Jews will bear a great responsibility if, G-d forbid, something happens to Israel and the 6M Jews who live there.
Most American Jews are said to have voted for Obama.
What does it take to make these pople realize who Obama is and who he backs,
.. consistently.
when I was young I was quite liberal, I had nothing to lose I suppose. Now that I am “over the hill”…I see the world much differently and I am a liberal/conservative. Liberty is something I took for granted, now i realize is a hard fought for freedom.
One day the American Jews will wake up, and I sincerely hope they will back their home land through not only words ( which they seem to be lacking in also), but through their vote. They were also for Hillary, go figure. In general American Jews must have lost something that their forefathers had, HUTSPHA!!!
Obviously the American jews are more interested in money and fitting in then who they are by heritage, their Grandmothers would be so shamed .
Andre:
This is nothing new for American Jews. Almost all leftwing Jews remained loyal to the the Soviet Union after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact condemned European Jewery to the gas chambers. And those who couldn’t stomach the towing the party line came crawling back once Hitler invaded the Soviet Union. Most Jews do have duel loyality just not the duel loyalty that they are accused of. Their loyalty is to Communism and they will sacrifice Israel on its alter. The Jewish left remains the most Stalinist community in the Western World.
The overwhelming majority of the American Jews immigrated to the US from the Russian-Eastern European territory where they were in the vanguard of the 1917. Bolshevik revolution.
For the Marxist Jews, nationalism, religion contradict what Marx-Engels taught about the Unified World Proletarian Dictatorship a screed which was supported by many Jewish capitalist of that time like Jacob Schiff of N.Y. – just like today does Soros or the Pritzkers of Hilton where the Anti-American Islamist congregation was held yesterday. – Isn’t it nice?
These American Jewish Marxist escaped the Holocaust and by corollary they look at Israel trough their ancestral Marxist-Stalinist ideology like Alinsky and the present 80% Hussein worshipers.
What is difficult for pragmatic Americans to comprehend is that these people shall cling to their ideology no matter what!
I say nothing, nothing at all, not even the destruction of Israel can shake their Bolshevik creed: neither millions of Khmer Rouge dead victims, nor Stalin genocides decreased their faith in Communism and this unrelenting worship is passed onto the next generation and the next….
Ask Chomsky about it.
Maybe if the Israelis had an Ethiopian arrival in a high profile position, the world would have to come up with some othe excuse to not examine its own conduct.
Tomp @ 12: I believe Obama to be a Muslim as well. His actions towards Israel do not reflect the opinions of most Americans, nor are his actions in the Middle East in America’s best interests. In fact, I have found nothing in this president’s beliefs and actions to be in America’s best interests. He makes Carter look sane and competent by comparison.
Jerry (28)
My read is that it’s more of a cultural thing. The tussle between Melanie Phillips and Dershowitz was revealing: when Dershowitz ran out of ammo, he starting ranting about abortion and the Christian right. What I find interesting, as well as a little confusing, is that the Orthodox have managed to get over the historical Christophobia that Jews have had a right to in the past, but no longer serves their purposes. But the secular/reform types are as hateful as ever.
In the end, American Jewish hatred of Christians is costing their Israeli cousins. No, I don’t get it.
Bush maintained an 70-80 per cent approval rating throughout his presidency among Israelis — the Jewish population of the country is 80 per cent — and that was unexpected because his father, up until now, had been the most hostile president. Obama ran at maximum 25 per cent during the election and in the last survey, he was down to 6 per cent. Trying to tell Israel where it can construct buildings in Jerusalem, its capital of 3,000 years, founded by its greatest king, defended in many major battles against world powers, makes him sound like King George III, a raving lunatic. I bet if he were pitted in a popularity runoff in Israel against Ahmadinejad today, he’d lose, since some Arabs would give the Iranian the one per cent needed to beat zero.
#5 Jews in the US want to see Israel fail – full stop.
CORRECTION: self-loathing, liberal, apologist court Jews want Israel to fail. Please do not lump all American Jews into one category.
Is it time for Israel to sic the Mossad on the Usurper?
That would be good for America AND good for Israel. As long as they didn’t get caught. Not that anything would happen. The ONLY Democrat with more testicles then a flatworm is Hill-de-beast. And the Usurper has moved both her and Big Bill off stage. Biden is running Foreign Policy, or so it seems. Hill ‘N Bill are kept out of sight and out of mind, in hopes that the Democrats don’t wake up to the fact that there ARE alternatives.
Remember the Usurper rigged the Nomination process and slicked Hill-de-beast out of the nomination, pretty as you please. Hill ‘N Bill have no doubt figured it out by now. They are not stupid, just slow.
Israel can easily, and with clear conscience, lay majority blame on American Jews for 0bama.
To Thomas #29
Well, not really. Most of those who escaped in 1917(and before) have nothing to do with revolution and Bolsheviks. Most of them were shop owners, businessmen and people “well to do”. So, as you understand, they stood to loose a lot. I know, since my grandparents tried but did not make it. They lost everything to revolution.
Me and many others like me, from Russia, who came to United States in late 80s early 90s, are very well aware of what it’s like to live in socialism. We are hard core Republicans and vote such. I would not even try to explain this to you. The problem is, republicans stopped being republicans.
The notion that Most of the Jews voted Obama is a pure propaganda. Orthodox Jews did not vote Obama, belive me. Those that voted for him, are not Jews, even if some people call them that way.
If republicans become a tru republicans, they will have our votes.
My father came to the U.S. around 1911 from Russia/Poland. His family was not Bolshevik or Marxist. Also, I am a liberal who voted for Obama but I wholeheartedly support Israel. Most Jews I know voted Democrat because they hated the Bush regime. But we’re still waiting for the “change” we were promised.
Just expect more of the same from the devils advocate BHO. Always fighting for the little impoverished demons and killers of the world he will be sure to find a way to support the bad and undermine the good. That’s BHO’s nature. If you haven’t seen enough yet more is coming from the messiah of demons. The problem for all of demons out there? They are already judged and there’s nothing that can be done to save them. This is why they rage. Yes their messiah is a false one. Soon they will start biting and devouring each other. How does one recognize devils? By their works, their lies and how they treat humanity and by the mass confusion that surrounds them. Maybe some of BHO’s human supporters will recognize they are on the wrong side of things and save themselves, there’s always hope but don’t hold your breath waiting for it to happen.
Israel will receive help.
Although many Jews voted for Obama, many more Christians voted for him, so blaming the Jews for his election is baseless and pointless.
The point in this article is that, Obama is getting what he wants: he pushed Netanyahu to the point of having to resist “American” policies. From this point on, Obama will be able to blame Israel for all ME evils and the worsening of the relationships between the countries. Obama, like many delusional Liberals believes that the Arabs hate the US because of its good relationships with Israel and therefore he thinks that throwing Israel under the bus and bowing and kissing the Saudi king’s hand (ring) will start a new era of love and friendship with the Muslims. Obama’s “wake up to reality party” will be a BLAST.
“As far as that so-called poll indicating American support for Israel plummeting from 69 to 49 percent; someone is smoking something”.
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I have no idea whether this poll is accurate or not. But I do know obama is certainly attempting to turn Americans against Israel. By picking a fight with Israel he is counting on Americans to side with their president regardless of the injustice of his demands upon Israel, and therefore leave Israel completely isolated. Divide and conquer is obama’s MO, he did that during the campaign, dividing Americans along racial lines while pretending to be a post-racial candidate. And by his choosing of Sotomayor for the SC, cornering Replicans into a no-win situation by daring them to publicly oppose and vote against the first Hispanic on the SC or keep quiet and allow a leftist to be seated.
@37. skydiver:
I was Eastern European at birth and by extension intimately familiar with the origins and history of the Bolshevik revolution both in Russia and E. Europe in general. What you wrote is correct in a sense that enterprising, talented Jewish individuals like the Manhattan project’s Hungarians, E. Teller (H-bomb) and countless more like Einstein were not part of the “Bolshevik Revolutionary Club”.
I was referring precisely to those who were spared from the Holocaust -(and the ensuing Communist purges) and enjoyed the safety and opportunities of this country – these people are the current followers of Marxism-Leninism. Georges Soros is a good example.
These individuals belong to the “unproductive classes like “community organizers”, mass media and the press, universities, radio personalities, SPECULATORS!!! etc. those are the slots where the Neo-Marxism is forcefully spawned and the ideology of the Yevsektsiya well alive.
There are very few leftist among the newcomers like you, nor are the Israelis from Russia are Obama worshipers. Quite the opposite!
You said:“The notion that Most of the Jews voted Obama is a pure propaganda – It’s generally supported by statistics that 80% of Jews went for Hussein O.and many post in this tread support that notion.
That word should be Republicans.
So Sharon why did you hate the Bush Regime? Was it because you are socialist?
To Sharonsj #38
If you did you homework, before you voted, you would not be waiting for a change. Bush wasn’t a good republican. He deviated (oh heck, he departed) from Republican conservative platform, but he was not a liar. The candidate you voted for is nothing ,but…
That’s a description, not an explanation. Was that supposed to be one?
@40. Good:
You said:
“Although many Jews voted for Obama, many more Christians voted for him, so blaming the Jews for his election is baseless and pointless.
Usually we define a particular movement after their prominent leaders and chief ideologues: Fascism/Mussolini, Nazism/Hitler, Communism/Marx-Trocky etc.
It’s undeniable fact that (Alinsky ideology), Axelrod, Soros, Pritzker (Hilton money), N.Y.T. orchestrated and financed the Obama campaign, provided the necessary propaganda tools to influence the voters who are vulnerable to bombastic oratorical demagoguery the Messiah is very good at. Check out the names and political aims of the “Democracy Alliance” group.
Google is you friend, why don’t you check out who is who in the Obamista camp, in the opinion influencing mass media and so on.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the Jews caused him to be elected (although I’d like to see the electoral math if the Jews in Florida went 80/20 McCain). The question is over motivations and priorities.
Israel and it’s continued apartheid doesn’t deserve support. Israel will get what it deserves in due time….
Jews are the chosen people. They will not be denied. I am speaking of true Jews, not the limp-wristed liberal Jews.
Question for the group. Is “tom” from the “left” or the “right”? Show all your work.
@49. tom:
You are spewing pure crap. The true apartheid exists in you beloved Islamist countries where the Sharia rules supreme. Did you take part yesterday in the Chicago Hilton “End of Capitalism, Rise of Islam” gathering? How about the Caliphate of Islam worldwide and in the US?
Flogging? Beheading? Stoning?
Your writing stile suggests you are an emotional Jew hater, aren’t you?
continued apartheid. is that the new buzz word? i thought Israel was set up for those Jews who didn’t make it to the ovens. here is your house go live in it.
in my house i make the rules, if you don’t like it you have options, keep it up and i will kick your a$$, stop and behave or leave. if you come back with the same attitude i will continue to kick your a$$. those are the options, so why does Israel have do what someone else wants?
my neighbors don’t come over and tell me how to run my house, that would be rude.
How’s that Islamic Outreach working Obama?
http://www.bloggybayou.com/2009/07/hows-that-outreach-to-islamic-nations.html
Americans are lucky,ashamed but lucky. Think how more embarassing it would have been if the Saudi King had turned around when Obama bent over to kiss his ring!
Bibi can eat a d***.
55. oh no a bow .. I’m going to cry in my Wheaties and burn the flag.
Sharonsj at #38,
“Most Jews I know voted Democrat because they hated the Bush regime.”
You need to tell us how President Bush wronged the Jewish community. I can’t think of a President who was more of a friend to Israel. If one researched candidate Obama’s history and associations one would have been able to predict with great accuracy his tone towards Israel and his policies which are decidedly anti Israel, America’s best ally. What I type next will contain generalizations about the American Jewish community. Let me say in advance that I know there are exceptions who are unfortunately in the minority.
If you care about the survival and prosperity of Israel voting for candidate Obama because of hatred for Bush is illogical. Bush’s term was up. I wonder at times if American Jews have a death wish for Israel. Israel is a tiny democratic country surrounded by enemies. It is by far the most pro western and pro American country in the middle east. It’s cultural and religous ties to the US Jewish community and Americans in general are profoundly intertwined. Republican presidents have unfailingly shown support for Israel. Saddam Hussien was paying for suicide bombers to attack Israel and President Bush ended that. Yet American Jews overwhelmingly hate Republicans and President Bush. This makes no sense to me.
It is ironic that Israelis have an entirely different attitude. They actually have to live in the world’s most dangerous neighborhood and have a decidedly realistic, nonromantic attitude about friend and foe. They have no trouble identifying which is which. The American Jewish community does not share their clarity of thought. Supporting a candidate who is demonstrably anti Israel means you either don’t care about the welfare of Israel or you are deluded as to the candidate’s true intentions. This confuses me for I believe American Jews care deeply about Israel.
Once again I do not include the 25% of American Jews who voted for McCain in my critisism. I also recognise McCain was a flawed candidate, although not on foriegn policy. It is a fact however, that American Jews who voted for McCain are in the minority. I shake my head at this voting absurdity. It doesn’t change my thoughts about Israel or my respect for Jews and the cultural contributions by them to the history of our world. It does sadden me however.
President Obama is an international relations neophyte, who appears to be deluded by his exagerated belief in his power to heal and fix. He believes that he can ignore history and effect change. He, like Chamberlain before him, is mistaken. He can’t bring us peace in our time by weakening and denigrating Israel. In fact, he is probably prompting Israeli action. He is courting disaster where events could rapidly spin out of his control. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
the idiot “tom” is not an american. tom is one of those names that islamics who post think is all american. they are such morons and barbarians. all they produce is bombs and blood, and very stupidly transparent posts.
Re: 51. Strawman: “Question for the group. Is “tom” from the “left” or the “right”? Show all your work.”
Tom is from the Huffington Post I’m guessing. Stupid comments with nothing to do with the article at hand are the hallmark of the liberal brain (or lack thereof).
Posters like Tom are proof that Doh’Bama was elected by uninformed, illiterate voters. Keep ‘em coming Tom and prove me right!
You go ahead and tell Obamouse what’s what! You can step on him, if you want! He’s not even an American citizen! He has no authority!
Go Bibi! Go Israel !!
For Tom and all Israel haters, go take a long walk off a short pier!
There is no apartheid because peace is not the goal. Destruction of Israel and the Jew is the goal. I am waiting for the day when Israel strikes at the nuke facilities in Iran that pose a deadly threat to not only Israel but to the rest of the middle east. Persians, Smersians, my ass! Past glories and nightmares by crazies who cannot get on with building rather than destroying. They will be the victims of their own conceit as their people tire of such vanity and fruitless pursuits. Twelfth Imam, my ass! Just a bunch of posers living “la vida loca.” I hope they are enjoying it and getting while the gettin is good because the party is about to come to an end!
@58. Samizdat:
skydriver:
Your effort to find logic and reason with people who are strongly in the grip of Bolshevik ideology is hopeless.
During the 1967. Israeli-Arab war I was still living behind the Iron Curtain in E.Europe and witnessed the Commie Jews adulation and support of the Soviets who were supplying the Arab armies. They find bizarre, macabre satisfaction when Israel suffered losses and in the press (ran by the Jewish Party apparatchiks) one could read titles like this:
Israel, the lackey of the American imperialism, the bourgeois oppressor of the freedom loving (!!!) Egyptian people, suffered heavy losses from the heroic, anti-imperialist Arab masses! Long live the unbreakable Soviet-Arab friendship”
So what do you expect from the Jewish boss of Human Right Watch N.Y. (former Soros employee) Kenneth Roth who visited Riyad, S.A. soliciting money from Abdullah for anti-Israel propaganda. So I believe Obama’s Jews will never desert their Messiahs as they remained loyal to Marx, Engels, Trocky, Stalin etc. despite all the horrifying revelations of their satanic deeds.
Samizdat, Dershowitz explained all of that. It’s got nothing to do with Israel. It’s about an issue much more important to American Jews: abortion.
tom, it is people like you who support the concept of apartheid since you support the notion that Jews should be forbidden to live in certain parts of Israel. How ironic that liberals throw around the apartheid label against Israel when it is THEY who are advocating such a policy of ethnically cleansing Jews. Meanwhile the state of Israel does not bar Arabs from living anywhere in the country.
“…You need to tell us how President Bush wronged the Jewish community. I can’t think of a President who was more of a friend to Israel.”
Indeed.As the veto count proves going back to 1972 that i checked out.Want to know who abstained the most from anti-Israeli resolutions?-Britain .GWB is a good friend to Israel and a patriot to his country.
Thomas @ #63,
Can you explain this behavior that you identify? Is it Stockholm syndrome? Why does apparent betrayal of the Jewish identity bubble up like this? How can one who cares about Israel be distracted by abortion? I have always found Dershowitz to be an articulate defender of Israel, despite his other faults. How can you defend Israel and vote Obama? Do you understand my confusion?
Hi,
I write from a small Jewish village in Samaria. I do not have any of the enthusiasm Mr. Hornik, who writes from Tel Aviv, appears to have for Benyamin Netanyahu.
Let’s look a bit at the actions of Netanyahu towards democratic decisions taken in his own political party, the Likud. Before the elections here in February, there was a primary to determine whose names would be on the Likud list of candidates submitted to the voters and what positions the candidates would have on that list, something of rather high importance in a system based on proportional representation rather than individual constituencies, as one sees in the United States, Canada, Britain, Australia and other countries. One of the candidates was Moshe Feiglin, the head of the Jewish Leadership Faction of the Likud. I voted in this primary, and I voted for Mr. Feiglin, as did many many others who were registered to vote in this primary. Mr. Feiglin got to position #20 on the list, meaning in effect that if the Likud were to win 20 seats in the Knesset elections in February 2009 (something viewed as a certainty), he would be seated as a member of the Knesset from the Likud.
This enraged the good Mr. Netanyahu, who refused to accept the results of his supporters, and who managed to maneuver to have Mr. Feiglin pushed to #34 on the Likud List – meaning that in order for him to be seated, the Likud would have to have gotten 34 seats in the election.
The Likud got 28 seats in the election, largely due to the decision of Messrs. Barak and Olmert to go to war in Gaza in December 2008 – a cynical exercise designed to get votes for the worthless band of crooks and traitors that comprise the “Kadima” party, and the even more worthless band or traitors and appeasers who comprise the “Labor” party.
But I digress.
The point, to be blunt about it, is that in hadimokratia yisraelit – the Israeli “democracy” – the decisions of the voters do not count – only the decisions of the leaders.
This cuts across all political parties in Israel, so this attitude should not be pinned only on the Likud – it is the attitude common to Eastern European Jewish radical politics as practiced in the early 20th century, and all Israeli political parties have their roots in this culture of totalitarianism and radical politics. It should be added that both Bolsheviks and Mensheviks in what was to become the Soviet Communist party shared this mentality, which is why what I’m describing looks so much to you like Soviet Communism.
In short, there is no such thing as “democracy” in Israel.
Those of you overseas see elections and something that appears to be a free press, but those of us who live here, those of us who understand the roots of the Jewish political structure here, know a lot better. We can all afford to dispense with the pretenses and delusions of the “great American democracy” helping the “only democracy of the Middle East”. Honesty can hurt, but as one Jewish fellow was alleged to have said a couple of millennia ago, “the truth will set you free”.
This is the background, given so that you will comprehend the significance of the story from Ynetnews I present for your consideration. Over the last several months, the Netanyahu regime has taken the steps of having small nascent Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria destroyed by Border Guards and the IDF. Big D9 bulldozers destroy homes and synagogues of “illegal outposts” on the orders of the Security Minister, Ehud Barak, who is legally responsible for the administration of Judea and Samaria. These orders are never challenged by his boss, Prime Minister Netanyahu. Obviously, Mr. Netanyahu concurs with them and his deafening silence is to be taken as assent by those made homeless by the Border Guards and IDF.
In the past, we residents of Judea and Samaria have appealed to the better nature of our Jewish brethren in the rest of Israel; we have demonstrated, we have pleaded, we have begged. But the Hebrew press in this nation has dissed us continually, and the government has either not answered us at all, or screamed that we are a “cancer upon the nation that needs to be uprooted”.
Our patience is finally reaching an end. We cannot declare independence from the State of Israel – but we can adopt tactics that the tyrants in the judenrat on Government Hill in Jerusalem will understand very well.
From the article
What happened in Judea and Samaria is far more significant than the minor refusal by Mr. Netanyahu of one of the “Blessed of Hussein”‘s illegal demands.
Tom-
You roots are showing.Is your granpa a Nazi or are you a Muslim? (but I repear myself). You, sir, have NO idea what the hell you are talking about. The ‘Israel is an apparthide state’ crap is so old and pure BS.One Israeli Arab enjoys more freedom than all of his Arabs cosins around the world put together. Several of my co-workers are Arabs and their life is great! It is illegal to discriminate ahainst them. In fact, the liberal cancer of Affirmitive Action (regarding Arabs,women and Haredim) is applied in Israel as well.On the other hand, Jordan revoked the citizenship of the resident Palis just yesterday. In Saud territory Palis are forbidden to own land. And nobody protests this. Certianly not the likes of you, “Tom”. So spare us your mind-boggling self-rightouesness. You have no credibility.
Regarding the issue:
When Basig forces murder, wound, rape and abuse Iranian citizens Obama says he doesn’t want to “meddle”. NoKo shoots missiles that can reach American shores Obama says he won’t “dictate” to other countries. But let big, mean Israel allow Jews to build in their capital,in their own homeland,in a perfectly legal transaction, and suddenly it’s okay to dictate, threaten and blackmail other country.Remenber when he said to AIPAC people that Jerusalem will remain the “undivided capital of Israel”?? Ha! How I despise this man.
One last thing: to all those people who wonder how can the American Jews vote for Obama, in light of his anti-Israel views:will you please stop pretending? It is no news to anyone that most American Jews (and some Canadians)are mentally ill: they are self-hating people. So of course they will support the candidate that will weaken Israel and strenghten its enemies.
67. Samizdat:
It’s not possible to provide satisfactory explanation to this puzzle for it’s playing out on many levels such as Historical, philosophical, economical, geographical, psychological etc. My layman explanation is that this question consists of two chapters: the Old (the simple), and the New.
The old is the history of the Jews in general in Europe; – persecutions, expulsion, pogroms etc. and it’s final chapter – the answer to it – Karl Marx and the Bolshevik Revolution.
The chapter 2nd. is the mystery for it’s devoid of logic: what pulls the Jews – rich or poor alike like a magnet – towards an ideology in which they are destined to disappear both as a nation (Israel) and a religion, that is, Judaism. Socialism is against nation-states and religion: see the EU.
This subject is a complex, emotion-stirring issue beyond the scope of this tread. Nevertheless a rich literature is out there for those interested in historical research.
Someone said in an earlier post that American Jews will still vote for Obama in 2012. Is that true?
If so, I am astounded.
The “blah blah” about Netanyahu saying “no” to Obama is just a diversion by an evil government to draw attention away from its real agenda, a slow but steady expulsion of Jews from their homes in Judea and Samaria. Watch this video and see what the real agenda is, and what will happen as a result.
The judenrat on Government Hill commits more treason daily. And Obama is like a target marker for us who refuse to be forced from our homes here. And those “Israeli” traitors and self-hating Jews who bow to the evil prince of the setting American sun make themselves into targets – marked by the target marker. themselves.
Thomas at # 70,
You have put your finger on it and understand better than I. It must be quite complicated. Israel and history are the logical result of pogroms etc. Self destruction and supporting the ones who wish to do you in is illogocal.
I recall that during the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign one pundit (Victor Davis Hanson?)compared Barack Obama to an inert gas. I remember how apt that description seemed at the time, and it was somewhat of an epiphany in my own process of trying to understand Obama as a person. Contrast this with Benjamin Netanyahu, who is both engaged and engaging. To think that the robotic Obama would have the audacity(!) to lecture Netanyahu on matters pertaining to no one but the actual residents of Israel just illustrates more plainly how out of touch and arrogant the current resident of our White House actually is. Israel should look to its own abilities to protect its freedom, and no longer entertain any illusion that the U.S. will back up its decision to defend itself. We now have the “Teleprompter-in-Chief” at the head of our armed forces.
Sharonsj #38
If you are still looking for change, please look in your pocket. That’s all you will have left with Obama’s economic program. Here is a new thing the Obama health care program is an economic thing not a social one. Do you really believe that one too?
You just think you are a liberal, you’re on a conservative blog. Use your brains and embrace reality. You no longer believe Obama.
Thomas
Glad to see you cleaned up your act. You really scored some points, keep it up!
Mr. Hornik,
Since E. Jerusalem is internationally recognized as not, in fact, part of Israel, any settlements there are a violation of international law. I know you disagree, but please understand that the rest of the world sees this as theft of land, and it does not matter that some book, all written more than 2300 years ago, says it is OK. That same book, especially in Judges, explains how their deity doesn’t always let them have a land, and often scatters them to the wind. I’m not sure, but it sounds like you are presuming to know the deity’s will in this matter.
Secondly, your commenters are kinda crazy. I think you have a responsibility here, because their comments are re-published by Pajamas Media on a page showing your article.
Thirdly, what Netanyay told his cabinet about Arabs being allowed to live anywhere in Jerusalem is not, in fact, what we in the business like to call “the truth.” I don’t know whether it is rank ignorance or an out-right lie, but Arabs cannot buy land held by the ILA or the JNF. In fact, an Arab couple went to the Israeli supreme court and won their case in 2000 to move in, but, last I checked, in 2005, they were still being blocked. The Israeli government is ignoring its own supreme court to block Arab ownership.
I know this is all very unpleasant and unbelievable to you, and I don’t know any subtle way of explaining it.
Josh,
Secondly, your commenters are kinda crazy. I think you have a responsibility here, because their comments are re-published by Pajamas Media on a page showing your article.
I’m one of the commenters you are complaining about. Now do remember that I live in a Jewish village in Samaria. And do remember that we Jews in Samaria will fight for what is ours.
Let’s get a few things straight, Josh. You are entitled to your twisted views of what you think is right and wrong, and if the rest of the world goes along with you, fine.
We Jews are destined to stand alone, apart from mankind, and your assertions only prove that prophecy.
Seventy-five years ago, when the Nazis decided to kill us off world-wide, the international community of nations didn’t give a tinker’s dam. They met in a cabal at Evian, France, and decided that we were not to be admitted to any refuge in their fine lands – countries like the United States, Britiain, France, etc. etc. On the night that the Nazis rampaged through Germany, killing Jews in 1938, the night known as “Kristallnacht”, the British unveiled a policy of shutting the doors of this country to the one people who had sovereignty over it, the Jewish people. At least a million Jews died because of this illegal subversion of Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel. The leader of the “Palestinian Arabs”, Amir el-Husseini traveled to Berlin to personally lobby Hitler for the building of death camps to kill European Jews in Europe, so that they would not be sent to the Land of Israel. So let us hear no garbage about us Jews persecuting poor innocent Arabs as did the Nazis.
Neither the United States Army Air Force, nor the RAF ever bombed a single concentration camp or railway leading to one – ever – during the entire conflict known as WWII.
The British Empire threw all of its strength behind murderous Arabs who tried to kill us off in this nation in 1945-49. The Americans embargoed arms here. In 1967, the Americans tried to bully the government of Levi Eshkol not to attack the Arabs first. Fortunately, Eshkol didn’t listen. In 1973, the Americans succeeded in bullying Golda Meir into not attacking first. For forty-two years, behind the scenes, the United States and most of the powers of Europe have been stabbing us in the back in all sorts of ways, ways that have cost us thousands of lives.
Since your “international law” sentenced us to death 75 years ago, and continues to do so, we have no need to pay any heed to it or to worthless hypocrites who whine over its alleged violation.
Given that history, what do you think we owe you, Josh? Do you think we should obey what you or your uncaring compatriots world-wide call “international law?” I’ll tell you what you interfering foreigners are owed.
Nuclear bombs to destroy the cities of those Europeans and Americans who persecuted us or who have tried to destroy this nation. The list is long, starting with Rome, Istanbul, Madrid, Berlin, London, Kiev. Should I continue? Our vengeance upon you for your barbaric behavior towards us over 19 centuries is what you are owed – nothing more. That is justice – that is righteousness.
By voting for Mr. Obama, American Jews are helping to bring America down. It is poetic justice as they received no thanks for having first helped to build it up. Mr. Obama is destroying America, not Israel.
Ruvy,
Not at all the response I expected. And, no, you are not the kind of commenter I was talking about. Everything you said follows a clearly articulated internal logic, one that you already recognize I don’t subscribe to.
We’ve reached a stage in american politics where it’s about politicians, not politics (totally different issue). It’s as if ideas don’t even matter anymore; which is kind of the point of a democracy.
Once upon a time Nazis executed millions of jews. Who paid for it ?…Palestinians. They were evicted from their homes and they are constantly under seige by Israel. The idea that Israel is fighting for their right to be in their homeland is a myth. How many wars have you heard of that last 7 days ? Israel is heavily armed, heavily supported, and they are in no danger of losing their country. I’ll admit that the “palestinian leaders” haven’t done a good job of getting international support with their terrorist tactics; Arafat was no gandhi.
What’s strange is I read a poll the other day that suggested 80% of Israeli citizens support Obama, while something like 20% approve of their own leader. Google it.
The problem is whenever we discuss the middle east nobody wants to look at the details. They always assume that muslims are a bunch of terrorists and our hands are clean. We used Osama to fight russia in afghanistan, armed saddam to fight iran for a decade, and even tried to put in our own leader in iran which was later killed, and so on…Israel is no exception. We support Israel as a state, give no real thought about a palestinian state, and go on believing Israel is our democratic ally and the palestinians are a bunch of terrorists and that’s that.
I don’t have anything against Israel; for years I thought they were decent people who wanted to live in their home land and were constantly being attacted because of their religion. I got that idea probably from the media, but after a little research I realized I was very very wrong.