‘Nakba’ Concentrates Israeli Minds
“Nakba” is in the air. An Arabic word meaning “disaster,” it’s become a tag — among Israeli Arabs, Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, and Arabs outside of Israel — for Israel’s creation on May 15, 1948. On Sunday “Nakba Day” was marked for the first time by the attempted breach by Arab civilians of Israel’s Golan (successfully), Galilee, and Gaza (unsuccessfully) borders, as well as a terror attack by a lone Israeli Arab civilian in Tel Aviv.
Israelis are getting the message. “Nakba” refers to Israel’s creation, its existence, not to its conquest of additional territories in 1967. The only “solution” to this “disaster” is Israel’s destruction, not its return to the 1967 borders as believed by the votaries of “peace process” and “two-state solution.”
Lest there be any doubt, as part of Sunday’s festivities Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh advised Palestinians to “pray for an end to Israel,” saying: “Palestinians mark the Nakba with great hope of bringing to an end the Zionist project in Palestine.” Since Hamas is by and large regarded as a bad guy, that may not have seemed so notable.
But Haniyeh’s partner in newly declared Fatah-Hamas unity, West Bank Fatah leader and alleged moderate Mahmoud Abbas, wasn’t much better. A day earlier he said Palestinians would never give up the “right of return,” and that every Palestinian “has the right to see Palestine and return to the homeland because the homeland is our final destination” — a slightly oblique way of saying the same thing Haniyeh said, since the “return” of millions of descendants of refugees living in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank, and Gaza would spell Israel’s demographic demise.
Even so, veteran left-of-center commentator Nahum Barnea, known as the dean of Israeli columnists, tried to deny and deflect the clear import of Abbas’s words. Writing in Israel’s largest daily Yediot Aharonot, he claimed that Abbas,
like every politician…is attentive to his constituency’s mood. At times, the words that come out of his mouth are stronger than him; he gets carried away.
On the eve of Nakba Day he promised his people that no Palestinian leader will renounce the right of return…. Abbas refrained from clarifying the question of how and where this right will be realized, whether through monetary compensation or physical return, whether in the future Palestinian state or in Israel too; anyone could make what he wanted out of the Palestinian leader’s words.
Not really; “return to the homeland because the homeland is our final destination” does not mean “monetary compensation,” and thanks to comprehensive indoctrination, what “homeland” evokes for every last Palestinian Arab is pre-1967 Israel.
Well, after yesterday’s Arab putsch, Exhibit Number ?, I have this to say to the hallucinatory left in Israel-welcome to the party,the right wing one!
It ‘only’ took thousands of dead and maimed Jews, AKA sacrifices for peace(according to our legendary peace processor,President Peres)to prove our right wing case.
Repeat after me – PA/Fatah/Hamas Arabs (and their assorted Arabian brothers)want us gone.Dead.Into the sea….
Nothing less will suffice.Nothing.
The “disaster” was not a military defeat, but the occasion of a State run by Jews in a non-subordinated status. This occurrence was almost an existential disaster to the psyches of Arab Muslims. Those “invasions” are Iranian backed stunts (look for the yellow Hezb. flags.) This take pressure off Assad, at least from the Iranian point of view.
The reality is that the Arabs have mostly dumped the Palestinians and the Iranians are swooping in in pursuit of their fantasy that leading the Arabs to annihilate the Jews, and least in Galilee, will make Arabs like the Persian Shia. It is Khomeini’s delusion, reenforced by a domestically insecure Iranian regime. Fatah will be bought out by Iran.
What the leadership of Fatah and Hamas both do not want is an independent state. It will harm their powers and income. The Fatah-Hamas deal is their way of sabotaging the otherwise already phoney UN vote on “statehood.”
BTW, notice how Obama says nothing to the Hamas Fatah deal sabotaging “peace” while insulting Netany. for every little thing?
you’re right about Hamas and Fatah not actually wanting an independent state – they’d actually have to behave responsibly and would have more to lose. This is why Israel should seize the initiative and and simply give them their state. Then when there’s trouble, it will be between independent states.
Israel cannot give them a state. The Palestinians cannot declare independence, like most every country has at some time, because then they would no longer be stateless. No more “refugee” money. Also, then they would have to declare their borders, of course they don’t want just the West Bank and Gaza. Heck, the West Bankers probably don’t want Gaza.
Game is near over. Television has brought Israel into every Arab home. Even the big time Islamists don’t care much because they think globally, and act so too. All they got are the Iranian crazies and Assad in Syria. If Fatah even did try sincerely for peace with Israel, Iran would start a rocket war to upset the plan and continue its fantasy that the Arabs will appreciate them and see them as the “leader of the Islamic World.” Kind of like Mormons telling Baptists they will lead the Christian World against Enemy X. It is retrograde Khomeini-ism.
Nakba, Nakba!
Who’s there?
Hamas!
Hamas who?
Hamas of people consumed by hatred and bent on genocide!
Oh, come on..I think they’d be perfectly happy if all the Jews just left the land they’ve built from a wasteland into a Middle East “garden of plenty”, and moved back to Germany, Russia, or wherever they came from. Still won’t stop them from wanting to kill the Jew “hiding behind a bush”, but at least they’d have plenty to eat…for a while.
Funny pun though.
Hamas and Hezbollah have both made numerous statements that they want to kill Jews, not just Israelis, and not only in Israel.
And, lest we forget, both are tied to Iran, which was responsible for the bombing of the Jewish Center in Buenos Aires. Hezbollah is setting up shop with Chavez. They don’t just want to destroy Israel; they want to kill Jews. And they mean it.
Oh man, don’t make me drool. Can you imagine a country like Bolivia saying “We’ll give you the exact same land area – please come and do for us what you did for yourselves” and the Israeli’s saying “okay?”.
I’d love to see Hamas and Fatah with nothing left to look at but their own stupid selves, with no enemy and only an empty headed culture to play around in and no one they can reach to blow up but each other.
Guess what – war with each other, Hizbollah, Jordan, etc., etc., etc. and Egypt also left to look at over 80 million people living on a river.
And the or wherever they came from that is the million odd Jewish refugees from the Arab world and descendants would have to be absorbed back into that hell hole.
By the way taking away the the Jews from Israel will just leave the ground, the occasional rain and empty buildings, because the wealth that they produce goes with them in their heads.
Israel’s survival instinct will kick in now, as it did during the 2006 Lebanon and 2008-2009 Gaza wars. Those were fought under left-of-center governments, which–though incompetently in the Lebanon case, tardily in the Gaza case–realized that military means had to be used against deadly, implacable enemies. A guy like Barnea is saying the myth of Fatah moderation is dear to his heart, but he’s not absolutely wedded to it.
I’m surprised I don’t more often hear Israel put the Nakba in the context of the civil war that created both the Nakba and Israel.
The Palestinian Arabs too often put forward this entire scenario as if they had no part in it and never had a chance to win a war they were equal partners in.
William Cook, an utter moron who teaches at the U. of La Verne in So. Cal. wrote this a few years ago:
“…tens of thousands of Zionists swarmed upon their (Arab) villages and wiped them off the map’”.
Since my understanding is that no Jewish army units existed above brigade strength it would seem that the Palestinian Arabs and their supporters have either hijacked the narrative or really believe their tripe and also conveniently mention that in general the Arabs outnumbered the Jews 2-1.
I have even spoken to muslims who scoff at the idea a civil war even took place if you can believe that.
Whenever the political Left or Third World failures and their cousins can, they advance the idea that there is no failure but only oppression although it isn’t clear how culture’s so damn equal are consistently such damn losers. Success, as it were, is for losers. And they got half of America believing this stuff.
Once again, the “right” cultures are always like the kids in those awful painting with the giant, sad eyes who have never known greed, lust or racism. Sounds like they themselves are making an argument that they’re not quite human.
This is hard to say because it steps on politically correct toes in our own country as well. BUT as the widow of a man of 100% Indian heritage, whose children are all enrolled members of a US tribe – what you wrote is true here, as well.
My husband, although a tribal member, was politically conservative and believed the US reservation system does much more harm than good. He believed that it is insane to pretend that 500+ separate gov’ts can co-exist within the boundaries of the United States, and he agreed with the sentiment of your comment –
ie – “Whenever the political Left or Third World failures and their cousins can, they advance the idea that there is no failure but only oppression although it isn’t clear how culture’s so damn equal are consistently such damn losers. Success, as it were, is for losers. And they got half of America believing this stuff. – Once again, the “right” cultures are always like the kids in those awful painting with the giant, sad eyes who have never known greed, lust or racism. Sounds like they themselves are making an argument that they’re not quite human.”
Just saying – please understand, there is no innocence on the part of most tribal governments. They take US tax-payer money and use it to oppress their own membership – denying civil and constitutional rights whenever they feel like – keeping members in a helpless, hopeless state – then blaming current reservation conditions on “the white man.”
There is very little difference between their game and that of the Palestinians. They talk all about “sovereignty,” but true sovereignty is the last thing they want. They want every other citizen of the US to continue to pay “guilt” money – forever.
Further, if you are watching federal Indian policy, you will see that tribal governments have begun demanding – and receiving in limited forms – legal jurisdiction over non-members as well. The most horrific form of jurisdiction over non-members is the claim of jurisdiction over any child the tribal government deems “enrollable.”
This might sound crazy to outsiders – but please read letters written by many families at http://www.caicw.org/familystories.html . This isn’t crazy talk – it is fact.
At this point in time, tribal gov’ts have free reign to decide their own membership, and many have been allowed to claim adoptable children with minute blood quantum. Examples: a toddler who was 1/2 African American…and only 1/500 Cherokee. Or a little boy who was less than 1/200th heritage. The real purpose of these claims has nothing to do with what is best for the child. It is all about more money per head.
Further, it isn’t hurting just adoptable children. Tribes have interfered in custody issues between parents, favoring the tribal member parent even in the face of addiction and incarceration. One mother had her little girl taken right out of her arms – forcibly – at what she had thought was going to be just an initial hearing. It has been three years now – and she hasn’t even been allowed visitation.
Or the case of three siblings who were 1/2 Latino and were taken from their Latino grandparents and placed with their maternal grandmother on the Ute reservation. The results were horrific – they were rescued three weeks later, but not until after the oldest had suffered irrepairable brain damage. They are back with the Latino grandparents now – who they should never have been removed from.
The stories go on and on. You just rarely hear about them through MSM.
Not trying to change the important subject re Middle East…Just saying – ridiculous liberal world view concerning perceived “oppressed” nations is occurring right here in our own back yard as well…
Deeper we go! Some countries have responded to the invasion of the Palestinians in response to Israeli Independence Day with statements that Israel is permitted to defend its borders. Others are still formulating their responses.
What the he’!! are they formulating? How to condemn the Jews out of an independent existence! So many people of all stripes are jealous of the Jews for getting their own country that they have supported in myriad ways the only refugee population in the world that has been given special status for 63 years.
We could say that it was an accident of fate that the Palestinians have garnered so much support, but that would be naive. We could say that “oil” is at the base of this political dilemma. We could say that since all humans are the same, the Jews have no special right to an independent existence. We could say that many countries are jealous to the point of wishing that the Jews would disappear. Probably it is a little of “all of the above.”
Happy Birthday, Israel. Live Long and Prosper!
If the Palestinians truly begin using Gandhian tactics, that is worrisome.
That said, there is a world of difference between being teargassed at a Jim Crow lunch-counter & being teargassed while storming a sovereign international border.
Also, (unlike Ganhdi and King) a lot of the demonstrators were not truly unarmed. They will continue to throw stones, wield clubs, and still try to delude the world (and themselves) into believing they were ‘unarmed.’ Israel should make it a priority to get high-quality videotape of the demonstrations that shows the rock-throwing.
Finally, there are effective ways to deter a largely unarmed crowd: tear-gas, pepper spray, stun-guns, flash-bangs, sirens etc. Israel should, however, avoid using police dogs, fire hoses or any other apparatus that will remind
the world public of Martin Luther King’s civil disobedience campaigns.
The Arab objection to Israel is solely -religious – they are Mohammedans who object to a Jewish state, in particular, the one grounded in the historical fact that Israel is in the ancient land of the Jews. Likewise, the vitriol from other countries, like the European ones, is based on antisemitism – hatred of Jews. The founder of the attacks on Jews in the historical land of the Jews was the man the British appointed as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Husseini, who organized anti-Jewish attacks in 1921, before the establishment of the state of Israel. He later became an ally of Adolf Hitler, spending World War II as his guest in Berlin, and edicated to the extermination of all Jews.
Thanx for the history lesson, particularly the final part.
All should know of this collaboration with the SS and Hitler. Just Google it and you’ll find scores of hits on this subject!
“Radical” Muslims blatantly call for the destruction of Israel. “Moderate” Muslims say it in code. They both say the same thing, however. The goal is the same. Only the words are different.
Taqiyya – the policy of deceiving the Infidel. Jihadis all have the same stench.
Absolutely correct Marc he ONLY difference between so called ‘Fundamentalists’ or ‘Radicals’ or ‘Misunderstanding’ Mohammedans is the amount of HYPOCRISY, DECEIT and TAQIYYA they employ. But as to the end result they ALL want, the destruction of Israel and the death of ALL Jews there is not a cigarette papers worth of difference between them. Left Wing Moonbats the Lame Stream EneMedia and Western Politicians and some deluded RINO’s of course THINK they know Islam better than Mohammedans do and gullibly, naively and moronically blindly accept that there are “moderate’ Mohammedans based on no evidence whatsoever except that the Mohammedans tell them they are.
BTW Marc my response to the moonbat fools and to Mohammedans who describe themselves as “Moderates’ is ‘Please show me the ‘MODERATE” Koran that you follow because the only one I can find is the violent, misogynistic, anti semitic, self contradictory, turgid , Arab Supremacist nonsense filled one. But then how can mere mortals reform and change the “ACTUAL and UNALTERABLE word of God’ which is for ‘ALL men for ALL time’ as it claims for itself.’
My take on the Incondite Kran
This is what happens when you have what is the self proclaimed ‘clear and easy to understand’ word of God written in a primitive language which is at best ambiguous and at worst untranslatable. It seems to me that a self professing ‘Supreme being’ and creator of all who causes his book to be disseminated in such a primitive language as 7th Century Arabic is either a ‘supreme joker’ or what is much more likely simply the invention of a 7th Century epileptic,megalomaniac,in a cave. The fact that after 1400 years the Koran does not have a universally accepted translation and interpretation completely repudiates its claims to be ‘clear and easy to understand’ and it being ‘a book for ALL men for ALL time’ and if these claims it makes for itself are so demonstrably untrue then the whole edifice of Islam is untrue and we should not be discussing the semantic nuances of a religion just the self justifications of followers of a CULT and should treat it and its adherents in an appropriate manner.
All of which explains why Mohammedans when cornered run and hide behind the primitive ambiguous Arabic of the Koran claiming ‘you have to read it in Arabic to understand it’ Which of course completely destroys what the KORAN bombastically claims for itself ie. ‘being Clear and EASILY understood and for ALL men for ALL time’
I’ve posted this many time before:
The only difference between Radical and “Moderate” Islam
Is the difference between tactics and strategy.
Sunday was interesting here in LA. A group of about onehundred Arabs assembled in front of the Israeli Counsulate and were protesting. They were we orchestrated with chants, free Palestine, Israel is an apartheid state, etc. We were across the street trying our best but there were only about twenty of us. We tried our best and kept at it until the police ordered us to disperse. Both sides did just that. Which brings both groups into a mixing with each other as a consequence. It was at that time that I decided to engage a young Arab gentleman in a discussion. His end of the discussion was, go back to your homeland, you have no right there and calling me a MF which brought the discussion to a quick end. The next thing I knew the police were separating the young gentleman and me as it got very heated. A swarm of young Arabs was heading toward me in an attempt to save their brother and the police had to block them. Alas it all ended peacefully with both sides giving each other hand signals. It was just another fun Sunday here in tinsel town. I can look forward to doing it again on June 6 or flotilla day.
Come here instead; much better than wasting your Jewish energies and soul on ‘fighting’ Arab-Americans who will never return to live in this area. Much better than trying to win the hearts and minds of Americans who mostly support us, even of their leaders/elites have a more complex agenda. It’s much better here.
It’s hard to imagine that anyone that can read would believe the thinly veiled fabrications and pseudo victimization claims PA/Hamas/Arabs continually preach to each other and the world as truth.
They’ve said clearly many times they want to see Jews exterminated.
These little attacks are just for attention and provocation.If they wage an all out attack they can’t play the victim.They are also cowards at heart,like grade school bullies.
It’s a shame we can’t pack up Jewish historical items and give them a home in the U.S. in exchange for our muslims,Nation of Islam,illegal immigrants and welfare leaches.
Please. I can tell ya all you need to know.
HAMAS sells Drinking Mugs, on their web-site, with Barack Hussein Obama’s face on them. He has on a Muslim/Arab Hat, and the Traditional Muslim Holy Dishrag around his neck. You can go to their site, and get one of your own. Why, you say? Why would HAMAS be selling Drinking Mugs with Effeminate Barry’s face on them? Why, indeed.
HAMAS believes that ABU HUSSAIN has been sent by Allah. They believe that ABU HUSSAIN is their DELIVORER. And they have given him the name: ABU HUSSEIN.
Think about it. Obama’s situation, quite frankly, is a mirror image of MOSES. (You JEWS, pay attention.)
Born to a MUSLIM Father. Taught in MUSLIM SCHOOLS. Raised in MUSLIM MOSQUES. He is now the Leader of the most POWERFULL ALLY of Israel. The United States is THE ONLY REASON that the MUSLIMS haven’t descended on Israel, in waves. And, not only is he ONE OF THEM, but he’s already stated IN HIS BOOKS, that if things flare up, between the ARABS and the JEWS, he’s gonna take the side of the ARABS.
He’s the DELIVORER. He’s their MOSES.
So. If you’re the MUSLIMS, and you’ve been waiting for the RIGHT TIME for all out WAR with Israel? When would you do it?
While your DELIVORER is still in charge of AMERICA? Or would you wait and see if he gets Re-elected?
Get the picture?
Let’s not forget that Hamas ran phone banks in support of Barack Obama during the 2008 election, and that he never once even attempted to repudiate their assistance.
As long as deaf ears, and blind eyes, are directed by the hordes inside, and outside, the Greater Middle East, towards the plight of dissidents – we will continue to get what we have gotten.
It is good government to stand up to political correctness.
The israelis are going to be energy exporters within ten years because of oil and gas fields discovered off their coast. This combination of cheap abundant energy and high tech will make the Israelis much more powerful than they are today.
The USA could see a lot of its financial and security problems go away with a new cheap abundant available power source. That power source is thorium. Here’s an interesting article on it today.
OT:
Thorium, US energy independence and Obama´s Sputnik moment
By Coach Collins, on May 17th, 2011
When stacked up against the energy costs associated with various sources, thorium is stunning. One lb. of Thorium according to Nobel laureate Carlo Rubbia is equal to 200 lbs. of uranium, or a breathtaking 3.5 million lbs. of coal.
Fuel costs for thorium are a tiny $0.00004/kWh versus coal and natural gas at less than 10 cents/kWh; conventional nuclear at approximately 10 cents /kWh; wind appx. 14 cents /kWh; solar thermal about 26 cents/kWh and solar photovoltaic a hefty 40 cents/kWh.
The U.S.G.S.’ estimate of 915,000 tons of high quality thorium ore (just considering holdings in Idaho and Montana) establish the U.S. as arguably the #1 thorium holding nation in the world.
Now if Obama is known for anything it is for his majestic non-sequiturs. His 2011 State of the Union proves the point. He stated: ” At stake is whether new jobs and industries take root in this country, or somewhere else. It’s whether the hard work and industry of our people is rewarded.” Later on, he claimed “This is our generation’s Sputnik moment”.
While Obama curiously mentioned Oak Ridge in his address he did so highlighting efforts to basically tweak existing nuclear technology and ignored thorium reactors and the (if I can plagiarize his speech a bit) hard work and industry of our people (plus the millions of dollars already spent) to develop them.
Obama also seems to be oblivious to the fact that a Chinese delegation visited Oak Ridge in the autumn of 2010 and expressed interest in thorium fuel to scientists there. America’s economic crisis demands a quantum reduction in energy generation costs through thorium based power and the spectacular job creating dynamics these massive savings entail.
Following up, no doubt, on their visit to Oak Ridge, the Chinese announced within days of Obama’s 2011 State of the Union Address that they intend to not only develop a research & development effort to create molten salt thorium reactors, but also to develop and control intellectual property rights to thorium for their own advantage! The Sputnik moment indeed has arrived.
http://www.coachisright.com/thorium-us-energy-independence-and-obama%C2%B4s-sputnik-moment/#
Obama says, ”At stake is whether new jobs and industries take root in this country, or somewhere else.”
As it happens, the country pushing hardest for thorium reactors is … India. China appears to be #2, but they’re also investing in uranium technologies like pebble bed reactors. There are dozens of new approaches to nuclear power out there, but US leadership in any of them is rather scant. They (like Germany) look at a 40-year old reactor like Fukashima and tell us we need to “rethink” the issue of nuclear power. How many of us make our decisions based on 40 year old technology?
The hastily created new infrastructure at the UN is where the rapid-response delegitimization of Israel takes place. Keywords: Peace, Interfaith, Interreligious.
http://wwwtwosetsofbooks.blogspot.com/2011/05/breaking-israel-no-longer-civilization.html
Israelis should better demonstrate how strong they are than how just and humane they are! People worship the force and endow the strong people with the best qualities.Muslims propagate their “nagba” with the violence and enjoy the respect!
Jews try to remember their misfortunes and await for the sympathy but often get the irritation.We Jews don`t understand the burden of the permanent sympathy that we put on our friends.
Well, the Nabka was a disaster for Palestinians, since if the refugees had stayed put, and the Arab nations hadn’t attacked, they would be Israeli Arabs today, living within the extremely tiny Israeli borders of the 1947 partition plan. And assuming their birth rate was the same as the Arabs that stayed, and the other Arab nations hadn’t expelled and forced their own Jewish communities to move to Israel, there would doubtlessly be more Arabs than Jews living within “Israel” today. Arab acceptance of Israel in 1948 would have led to no Jewish majority state today.
Correct?
“Nakba” refers to the ethnic cleansing that the Israelis undertook leading up to the formation of Israel. (Look it up.) About 700,000 Arabs were driven out of their homes to make way for the Israelis.
(Just a few words from the reality based community. And now, back to your regular programming……)
P.S. to comment 17
Look up the Stern Gang while you are at it.
Also, the book Buda’s Wagon may interest you.