Muslims Leaving Islam in Droves
Pope Benedict’s choice to publicly baptize the most prominent Muslim in Italy, Egyptian-born Magdi Allam, highlights a quiet worldwide exodus from Islam. In recent years, millions have moved on. With this high-profile action, Pope Benedict demonstratively blesses this massive conversion from the highest levels of the Church.
Interviewed by al-Jazeera in 2006, Ahmad al-Qataani, leader of the Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, explains the decline:
Islam used to represent … Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non-Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century.
On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.
As to how that happened, well there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed.
Allam’s public baptism came just ten days after the body of Catholic Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho of Mosul, Iraq, was found in a shallow grave after being kidnapped by al-Qaeda February 29. The ceremony came just three days after an al-Qaeda tape threatening the pope and condemning cartoons of Mohammed. Muslims who convert to other religions or abandon religion entirely are subject to a standing order of death for apostasy. The baptism of Allam is an act of defiance in the face of Islamic threats.
The baptism of Allam also comes in the midst of papal “dialogue” with Muslims. The dialogue began unpromisingly with the catcalls from Islam and its secularist allies which greeted the now-famous September 20, 2006, papal address at the University of Regensburg. In October, 138 Islamic leaders presented the pope with “A Common Word Between Us and You” — nailed by critics as a craftily written call for conversion. On March 4, Pope Benedict approved formation of a permanent “Catholic-Muslim forum” scheduled to meet in November. And now he has thrown his own call for conversion into the discussion. Islam’s secularist allies were quick to echo Muslims, calling the baptism “provocative.” While accepting the Islamic death penalty for apostasy as a given, they complain the pope’s action could set back dialogue.
While the secularists wring their hands, Allam writes that his mind “has been freed from the obscurantism of an ideology that legitimizes lies and deception, violent death that leads to homicide and suicide, blind submission to tyranny, permitting me to join the authentic religion of Truth, Life, and Liberty. … I realize what I am going up against but I will confront my fate with my head high, with my back straight, and the interior strength of one who is certain about his faith.”
Allam, author of numerous books and deputy editor of Milan’s Corriere della Sera, joins a list of converts from Islam which includes many other public intellectuals and millions of average people from all over the world. This is more than the normal flow between two large religious communities. Islam can point to little in the way of recent conversions. Its claim to be the world’s fastest-growing religion stems mostly from the high birth rate in Islamic countries, whose infant mortality rates have been cut by the introduction of Western medicine. Christian growth is based on adult conversion. As leading Christian evangelist Wolfgang Simpson writes, “More Muslims have come to Christ in the last two decades than in all of history.”
Although al-Qataani points to Africa, there is another phenomenon based on repulsion from Islamist dictatorship, corruption, and terrorist violence. In Iran as many as 1 million people have surreptitiously converted to Evangelical Christianity in the last five years. Pastor Hormoz Shariat claims to have converted 50,000 of them through his U.S.-based Farsi-language satellite ministry. He contrasts the upswing to the efforts of evangelical missionaries in Iran between 1830 and 1979, whose 149 years of work built a Christian community of only 3,000. One Iranian religious scholar believes youth are abandoning Islam because it is identified with the corrupt Iranian government. Now the Iranian Majlis (parliament) is debating the death penalty for conversion.
After years of al-Qaeda war on Iraq, a similar phenomenon is growing. The New York Times March 4 reports: “After almost five years of war, many young people in Iraq, exhausted by constant firsthand exposure to the violence of religious extremism, say they have grown disillusioned with religious leaders and skeptical of the faith that they preach.” A high school girl tells Times reporters: “I hate Islam and all the clerics because they limit our freedom every day and their instruction became heavy over us. Most of the girls in my high school hate that Islamic people control the authority because they don’t deserve to be rulers.” A 19-year-old man says: “The religion men are liars. Young people don’t believe them. Guys my age are not interested in religion anymore.” A Baghdad law professor explains that her students “have changed their views about religion. They started to hate religious men. They make jokes about them because they feel disgusted by them.” A 24-year-old female college student says, “I used to love Osama bin Laden. Now I hate Islam. Al-Qaeda and the Mahdi Army are spreading hatred. People are being killed for nothing.”
In southern Russia the same pattern is emerging. According to Roman Silantyev, executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia, freed from atheist control, two million Muslims converted to Christianity. Repulsed by bloody terrorist attacks, those living in areas such as Beslan have converted to Christianity in the greatest numbers of all. As many as 100,000 have converted to Christianity in post-Soviet Kyrgyzstan.
After decades of Islamist war, evangelicals report thousands of sub-rosa converts in rural areas of Kashmir. Says one churchgoer: “I am interested in this religion. I hate violence. I hate fundamentalists in Islam. I come here to seek peace.” An Indian newspaper headline reads: “Urban Muslim Youth Out to Junk Faith.”
Following decades of terrorist rule, Palestinians are being quietly converted, holding in-home services to avoid detection. Says one evangelist: “I’ve been working among these people for thirty years, and I promise you I’ve never seen anything like this.”
Islam is also losing adherents in areas where Islamist harassment is heavy on the streets. The London Times estimates 15% of Muslims living in Western Europe have left Islam — 200,000 in the UK alone. Those who leave often face harassment, threats, and attack.
The mufti of Perak, Malaysia, estimates about 250,000 people have abandoned Islam, making formal application for apostasy to the state — a right allowed to Malaysian citizens who are not ethnic Malays. Says he: “This figure does not include individuals who don’t do solat, doesn’t fast and breaks [sic] all the tenets of Islam.” Borrowing from the communist playbook, Malaysia operates “reeducation camps” for any ethnic Malay found guilty of apostasy. Unsurprisingly, ethnic Malays are at the bottom of the economic ladder in Malaysia.
In a letter published in Corriere della Sera on Easter Day, Allam points out the pope “sent an explicit and revolutionary message to a church that until now has been too cautious in the conversion of Muslims … because of the fear of being unable to protect the converted who are condemned to death for apostasy.
“Thousands of people in Italy have converted to Islam and practice their faith serenely. But there are also thousands of Muslims who have converted to Christianity who are forced to hide their new faith out of fear of being killed by Islamist terrorists.”
Allam describes Islam as a system for taking and holding power. Threat of violence is its enforcement mechanism. Allam also points out: “Beyond … the phenomenon of extremists and Islamist terrorism at the global level, the root of evil is inherent to a physiologically violent and historically conflictual Islam.” So it is not coincidental that Muslims are abandoning the faith as U.S. and coalition soldiers smash al-Qaeda in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. Islamist terrorists and street thugs are beginning to look impotent.
Appeasement-oriented opinion explains Islamic violence as a response to Western policy. For them, reality is incomprehensible. But in a 1998 ABC News interview with John Miller, Osama bin Laden explained his motivation: Allah had given the jihadis victory over one superpower (the USSR) and Allah would grant them victory over the other. But a decade later it is not coming to pass on the battlefield. The defeat of the Islamists puts the lie to the claim that Allah will cause the infidels to desire submission. As a result, the Islamists’ ability to intimidate their captive populations is weakened. More and more it is Muslims who no longer desire submission to Islam.
Andrew Walden is Editor of the Hawai`i Free Press in Hilo, HI and may be reached at andrewwalden@email.com.






I live in the UK and it seems more an more people especially from poor background are finding islam and some NOT all are becoming radicalised by images from israel and iraq even though muslims are to blame for most of their problems in the regions they find it easier to blame the west..But believe me islam is not shrinking and it wont go away..unfortunately
However, more and more people are opening their eyes to the evil. The radicalization might not be shrinking now, but opposition to it is slowly getting stronger. Hopefully, soon, the radicalization will really weaken, and the tide will turn. The more the public knows just how screwed up islamic radicals are, the better off we all are. We have to keep up the fight, and we must pray more.
You referred to …
I believe the correct date is September 12, 2006.
I find this news as hope for the Planet. There are over one billion Muslims on the Planet.It was hard for me to believe there is that much wool on the Planet to cover all thoes eyes.
The Pope knows Islam is a “Junk Yard Dog Religion” and apparently Muslims are seeing the truth . God Bless Us All is a Catholic mantra .
“Allah Help Us Kill Infidels” is the Islamic mantra.
American Christian Infidel
Michael Canzano
listen here mate u keep talking but if it was man to man you would be begging for my forgiveness so stop talking about our religion
Anonymous God loves you too. God wants us to love one another. He alone has the right to Judge. Not you or me or anyone else. Preach your belief and if true surely the truth will vindicate itself. No amount of violence can change that. God created the earth, and you and me. He does not need assistance to punish wrong doers. Therefore all the persecution of Christians in the hands of Muslims will change nothing. God is the origin of truth. He alone knows who is wrong or right. It is God that we wrong when we go against his law. Not man. Therefore man (including you) has no right to judge leave alone mete out justice, on fellow man.
The most appalling narration of Ghazali’s declaration of absolute superiority of men over women is written in this fashion: “(PROFIT Prophet said – if husband would be covered with pus from head to toe, and wife would lick it, even then wife’s gratitude to husband wouldn’t be fulfilled.”
It’s dangerous living under the influence of islam. A muslim is a danger to himself and all those near him. A muslim is always on half trigger. We must formulate laws so as the planet becomes a safer place from muslims. Muslims should be fined for being UNDER THE INFLUENCE of ISLAM or UII in short.
“terror has a religion and it is Islam.’’
It is easy to say that if people , especially women, knew what is in the Koran, they would denounce it and then the Cult of Islam would collapse the way the Soviet union did in 1989. BUT IT IS NOT SO EASY …Islam advocates murder for leaving islam so most of the forward thinking people born it by their misfortune are trapped in it for life. Hence Islam needs a QUIT-ISLAM movement. Not all religions garner protection under the Charter of Rights. Islam can, and should be challenged in the courts for classification as an illegal religious practice. For example, some religions practice human sacrifices, rape, sex with children, animal sacrifices, polygamy, honor killings, forcible convert, punishment with “death” for leaving islam, treatment of womans, etc. All of these religious practices lack protection under the Charter of Rights.
These are some of the practices of Islam that warrant a finding that it is an illegal religious practice: Waging war to eliminate and subjugate non-believers; advocating the killing of apostates, Jews, Christians, and other people of different faiths who refuse to convert to Islam, discrimination based on one’s gender or faith, the removal of limbs as punishment of certain crimes, and ..etc.
According to a report, the Pakistan government continued its programs to prevent and combat bonded labour, but did not criminally convict any bonded labour offenders or officials who facilitated trafficking in persons,” the report says.
And it will never happen because the totally demented koran justifies slavery and sexual slavery ….mohammad himself was a pedophile so what do you expect muslims to be ? nice people ? ofcourse not …. muslims will always be evil because the standard of evil is set by evil mohammad… so evil will always be islam’s forte. islam has to be abolished and banned. An ugly future awaits all of us but we have to fight evil with our full might. We have to do it or else our grand children will be howling “allah o akkhhbaaar”. And that would be the real tragedy.
• Not many people know that Arafat’s uncle the great religious muslim mufti was living in Berlin and counseling Hilter about exterminating the Jews as that was a belief they held in common. He also raised muslim troops to help in the matter.
Aggressive DeIslamization is a must in order to ensure safety of all human son eath.
It’s either nuclear weapons or islam. We have to choose. Without nuclear weapons islam will never be wiped out …and by wiped out i mean WIPED OUT !!! Only AFTER islam is WIPED OUT can we even think of a nuclear weapon free world. Look around you at these monkeys … can’t you see where they are taking us as a species ? islam is leading the planet to a non- stop blood bath …slowly and surely …and without nuclear weapons islam’s march will never be stopped.
Someone has to start bombing the monkeys sometime …. i have a feeling that China will be the first to bite back on islam’s arse. …. then free for all….. we live in interesting times…. our generation will see the death of islam….but how it will happen will be worth watching. Intelligence has a way of waking up and crushing the moronic , however vicious and barbaric. The thing to actually wonder is how Mecca and Medina will be pulverised. How will we do it ? And which year? That will be the exact beginning of a new era of peace.
i have a feeling somewhere around some table some people in high and right places are looking at this solution. And i have a feeling they compromise a lot of different people from all over the globe. Intelligence is Good. Intelligence is Cool. islam is neither. Hence islam will literally dissolve. Without mecca and medina there is no islam. Period.
After islam is Irradicated we can think about nuclear disarmamment and all things peacefull and noble. Till then we have to wait . We have to. There is no option. Muslims want us all dead and we want to live…. got any brighter ideas?
Cheers !!
WE DON’T NEED MUSLIM TO LEAVE ISLAM AND ALSO CHRISTIAN NO NEED TO THIS. WHAT WE NEED NOW CONVERTING FROM ISLAM TO ISLAM. EVERY PERSON HAVE RIGHT TO CONVERT AND IT IS NOT A NEWS THAT NEED TO PROPAGANDA. WHAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS IT CONVERT FROM EXTREMIST TO REFORMIST BECAUSE MUSLIM YOUNG COMMUNITY IS OUR MAIN GOAL NOT SOME OLD OR MIDDLE AGE GENERATION.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE NEED CONSIDER IS OPPRTUNIST PEOPLE WHO WANT TAKE ADVANTAGE FROM THEIR CONVERTING. IT IS NOT NESSECARY TO EXPLAIN WHO COVERT FROM WHICH RELIGION TO WHAT RELIGION. I KNOW MANY PERSONS WHO HAVE 2 OR 3 RELIGIONS AND THEY HAVE TAKEN THE ADVANTAGE FROM ALL MUSLIM/CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH COMMUNITIES.
FINALLY WHAT WE NEED TO KEEP SECURE OUR LIVES IS HONESTY AND THE PATH THAT LEADING EXTREMIST TO MODERATE.
We “the West” must not cave in to PC when it comes to Islam. If the author is correct with his statistics, all we need to do is calmly present the facts and stick to our principals. Wherever all views are presented for all to see, people have seen the backwards ways of Islam and are exercising their will to be free. Only in the closed societies where Islam totally controls what people see and hear and the people know nothing about the rest of the world, is Islam maintaining its hold as a major religion.
Nash,
What the heck did you say?
NASH — COULD YOU SPEAK UP?
I have to say “thank you Andrew” for this ray of hope in an otherwise gray, rainy day in Southern California. The only unfortunate note I sound is that tens of thousands will still die over the course of the next few decades because of this “religion”. But, at least there is hope for the future.
The numbers you quote from Pastor Hormoz were true in 2004. Four years later (2008) that number is close to a million and growing at 30% a month. Iran is rapidly becoming Christian. The Iranian people are hungry for a different way of life. Drug use, prostitution and hopelessness are rampant. Many find comfort and help to lead a better life through Pastor Hormoz’s satellite broadcasts and call in programs.
The Quran tells it very openly that Jesus was born of the spirit. There is
nobody else in Quran with that kind of birth. Again in Sura 2:253 ” to Jesus
the son of Mary We gave Clear (signs), and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit”. Jesus is the only person mentioned in Quran as a person endowed
with the “Holy Spirit”. If the people of Iran and other Muslim countries will
read Quran, they will come to Christ by the thousands every day. They never
read Quran, but simply listened to the radical preachers to kill the Jews
and Christians. The world has not seen the great spiritual awakening we are
going to witness shortly.
why would i convert to a religion that say I should worship Jesus while in Islam Jesus is a prophet. Quran says that Jesus was never crucified, and he will return to earth of kill the anti-christ. As muslims we beleive in Jesus as a prophet not a god or a son of god. We beleive in Jesus as a prophet created by GOD in the same way Adam was created except he had a mother.
Please Read what Quran say:
(And for saying: “We killed the Christ, Jesus, son of Mary, who was an apostle of God;” but they neither killed nor crucified him, though it so appeared to them. Those who disagree in the matter are only lost in doubt. They have no knowledge about it other than conjecture, for surely they did not kill him, But God raised him up (in position) and closer to Himself; and God is all-mighty and all-wise. )
Muslims always say that their Muslim “friends” respect Jesus. Well they probably do, but it is not in the same way that Christians do. In the view of Muslims, Jesus is coming back as a Muslim and he will break the cross (destroy Christianity) and be a slave to Islam. He will also abolish the jizya, which will leave Jews and Christians with only two options. To convert to Islam or die.
Koran verse 9 29 calls for the extortion of Jew and Christians. (Jizya)
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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Here is what the Islamic scriptures (the ahadith) say about the return of Jesus.
Muslims believe that Jesus will come back to fight for Islam, not Christianity.
Book 37, Number 4310:
Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 657:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it.” Abu Huraira added “If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): — ‘And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them.” (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)
Then when judgment day arrives Jesus will judge the people by the words of the Koran and not of the Holy Bible.
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 658:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said “How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel (Fateh-ul Bari page 304 and 305 Vol 7)
You do not fool us when you play word games with us. Please forget what you have been told about it and read a Bible for yourself some time. Mohammed and your imams will not be there to speak for you on Judgment Day, you will be alone. Islam is not from God, it is from the great deceiver (satan) – the quran even says that.
we have no reason to believe in your Quran . It is not a historic document as it was written by a man 675 yrs after Jesus Christ .
Would you follow a religion who’s founder married a 6 year old girl(Aisha) at the age of 54 and consumated the marriage when she was just 9 years. A prophet should be a good example of humanity. There are many more I don’t want to enumarate.
Communism had its Berlin Wall. Islam has its death penalty for those who convert from Islam.
I do not see much difference between the two.
Defeating this totalitarian ideology under the cloak of religion requires that the ideology be discredited. http://www.faithfreedom.org is a great example of an ex-Muslim deconstructing the ideology by using Islamic texts to demonstrate that Mohammad was a psychopath obsessed with obtaining power.
It appears to me that many of the extremists who embrace Islam are just thugs and sociopaths.
My great fear has been that Islamic culture leads to the severe inbreeding of these thugs and sociopaths – bringing democracy to these people will be a great challenge.
The claim that many are leaving the faith due to their conscience and the desire to be liberated from the thugs is positive – more hard evidence of the exodus of Muslims from the insanity of Islam will be very re-assuring.
Please, keep the Fatwa-Bastards on the run!
fred, infidel.
Hi,
I like your saying: keep the fatwa bastards on the run. LOL
But it would be stupid for a muslim to convert to a religion (christianity in particular) which has been abandoned by millions for the same reasons. LOL
Peace
Brad & Montjoie – Nash clearly said that radicals should be converted to reformists and not switch religions as opportunists. Both of your comments were meant to belittle his opinion and make fun of him. What good does that do? Maybe you should add to the discussion positively by stating what you believe and what you base your life on that makes the world a better place. I agree in part with Nash that radicals should become reformists, changing Islam from the inside out. But, being an Evangelical Christian, I am convinced that the teaching of the Holy Bible is a true benefit to my life and those around me. Therefore, I disagree with Nash that a true conversion to Christianity is done solely to be an “opportunist.” The fruit of the Spirit of God is; Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfullness, Gentleness and Self-Control – Galatians 5:22-23. These are the principles that I base my life on and they are principles worthy of evangelism and conversion.
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Ironically, something that nobody ever mentions is Islam’s status as an offshoot of Christianity and Judaism. Many of the suras were lifted from church ritual. ‘Allah’ is merely Arabic for ‘the lord’ or ‘the god’; the same word is ‘El’ in Hebrew and Aramaic. Solomon, Moses, and Jesus (‘Issa’) are all revered in islam to some degree–their shifting status is a subject of great debate within islam–so this provides a template for Muslim converts who feel they are returning to an older ‘truer’ church. Add to that the fact that the ancestors of so many modern-day Muslims were forcibly converted (in many cases relatively recently) from the Byzantine, Syriac, Coptic, and other Eastern churches, and you have an even greater impetus for this movement., which is a sort of ‘back to their roots’ movement in many cases. Though not in the case of the Iranians, Kashmiris, or Africans, of course.
God of the Bible told us not to listen to whispering angels preaching a different gospel and warned us about false prophets. Islam came from a whispering angel and mohammed is that false prophet. God told us to love our neighbour and pray for our enemies. Allah tells muslims we are the worst of creatures and they should kill us. Same God? Not a chance. Just because Allah means God in arabic it does not mean he is the same God. Did you know that most of the 99 names of allah are the names the Bible uses for Satan and that allah in the quran even says he is the great deceiver? Read it some time and see that for yourself.
Have a look at part 29 of this website. It is a fairly lengthy paper written by a messianic Jew, and he talks about Islam relative to the Bible and prophecy. I found it a radically different and plausible perspective on what many in Christianity have been teaching.
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home&type=2
There is book called Islam in the End Times by Ellis Skofield on this topic and is very good. You can get it free on his site http://www.ellisskolfield.com/downloadable-books.shtml
I have a different recall of the incident with Pope Benedict. Those prominent Muslim scholars, in their reply to the Pope, explicitly claimed their status as an offshoot of Christianity and Judaism. I suspect that the pope was absolutely right: when the answer to his question came, the West was not willing to hear it.
38 leading Muslim religious scholars and leaders including Shaykh Ali Jumu‘ah (the Grand Mufti of Egypt), Shakyh Abdullah bin Bayyah (former Vice President of Mauritania, and leading religious scholar), and Shaykh Sa‘id Ramadan Al-Buti (from Syria), in addition to the Grand Muftis of Russia, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, Slovenia, Istanbul, Uzbekistan, and Oman, as well as leading figures from the Shi‘a community such as Ayatollah Muhammad Ali Taskhiri of Iran; also HRH Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad bin Talal of Jordan Muslim scholars in the West such as Shaykh Hamza Yusuf from California, Professor Seyyed Hossein Nasr of George Washington University in Washington, D.C., and Professor Tim Winter of the University of Cambridge signed a letter to the Pope that said:
http://www.islamicamagazine.com/online-analysis/open-letter-to-his-holiness-pope-benedict-xvi.html
…faith in the One God is not the property of any one religious community. According to Islamic belief, all the true prophets preached the same truth to different people at different times. The laws may be different, but the truth is unchanging.
They acknowledge the two great Commandments: ….”and the second commandment is like it: Thou shalt love they neighbour as thyself.” citing Mark 12:29-31 and Matthew 22:37-40
And they said that their prophet brought nothing new to the message from God, that the message from all three faiths is the same.
I am sure that there are follower of Islam that aren’t ready to hear their answer, either.
Nash, thank you for writing. You have more friends and allies than you know. Good luck, and God bless us all.
NASH, you came through to me quite clearly. Good luck, and God bless.
They acknowledge the two great Commandments: ….”and the second commandment is like it: Thou shalt love they neighbour as thyself.” citing Mark 12:29-31 and Matthew 22:37-40
Actually Islam does NOT teach that. This is what is teaches:
Quran 9:5 “And so, when the sacred months are over6, slay those who ascribe divinity to other than God wherever you may come upon them7, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place8.Yet if they repent, and take to prayer, and render purifying dues, let them go their way: for behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace9.
Quran 9.29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.”
Do they sound like love your neighbour to you? Where does God ever say to go out and kill non-Christians?
Muslims Leaving Islam in Droves… including one Barak Hussein Obama, born to a Muslim father, and by Sharia, automatically a Muslim. His apostacy may be the best thing he has to offer.
I believe that this religion (Islam), will eventually end up on the ash heap of history, with only the completely ignorant still trying to save it. All we have to do is continue to pray, remain vigilant, and never, never, never give in to these thugs.
All religion speaks of humanity, truth, justice and righteousness but it is the followers who do not follow in the true sense. Muslims converting to Christainity or Christains converting to Islam is going up for for several hundred years. Most important is that Mosques around the world are successful in attracting old as well as young people for prayers which others failed. I have gone through news papers claiming that Islam is the fastest growing religion in U.S. , U.K. Australia, Japaon & Korea. However your page is excellent. I came across views and some propraganda through this site.Thank you for the informations.
Apparantly there are some few real thinking Muslims who have the sense to see through the muderous, oppressive and controlling tenets of Islam. Bravo to them. Unfortunately, the remaining billion or so (of whom “only” 10 to 15 percent buy into the really radical version) are enough to bring ruin to the rest of us if we let them. Believe me, Islam is NOT our friend, and never will be!
They are leaving islam : perfect, good for us, good for their personal lives. They are adopting evangelism : good for our influence, but, the poor fools, completely useless to them.
There’s a fascinating (if rather over-long) report by Sandro Magister of L’Espresso on various aspects of Catholic-Muslim relations, focusing on the Pope’s meeting last year with the king of Saudi Arabia:
For the Vatican, King Abdullah Matters More than 138 Muslim Scholars
by Sandro Magister
ROMA, March 31, 2008
Excerpts:
On Saturday, March 29, “L’Osservatore Romano” dedicated two articles to two instances of dialogue between the Catholic Church and Islam, demonstrating how this dialogue is showing promising developments precisely during the days of the controversy over the baptism of Allam, administered by the pope. . . .
At the beginning of the [second] article, the Vatican newspaper quoted Abdullah:
“. . . I have thought of inviting religious authorities to express their views of what is happening in the world, and, God willing, we will begin to organize meetings to with our brothers who belong to the monotheistic religions, among representatives of believers in the Qur’an, the Gospel, and the Bible.”
The Vatican newspaper added that the proposal of King Abdullah has met with the
agreement of the leading Muslim scholars of the kingdom.
But the most interesting highlights added by “L’Osservatore Romano” are two
others.
The first concerns the date of the statement made by Abdullah: March 24, which
for Christians was Easter Monday.
This is to say: precisely while the accusations were erupting against Benedict
XVI over Allam’s baptism, the Saudi king not only ignored the accusations, but
he expressed himself in diametrically opposite tones.
The full English text of Sandro Magister’s report is here:
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/195781?eng=y
If “believers in the Qur’an” means the Muslims and “believers in the Gospel” means the Christians, who can the third group be that the king calls “believers in the Bible”? Why yes, it can only be . . . the Jews !!! Quite an achievement for a Pope who has allegedly committed blunder after blunder in his dealings with the Muslim world. Conclusion: Benedict isn’t really a bungler at all. He turns out to have been, all along, a very wily old pope indeed, who seems to have outsmarted the whole worldwide liberal media establishment.
Welcome to Christianity. Say goodbye to the violent ideology that wants to convert the world. Christianity is a religion of reconciliation, forgiveness, and remaking one’s life.
it is a cult that controls, convinces, and contains with fear
cults convince, control, and contain with fear
One day the hope will be that the American people will wake up and see that this Islam religion is killing its own people and ours. This is not a religion of peace as it has no strong people in it that will stand up and condem all the deaths and killings. Where are the muslims when kids are killed or bombs are strapped to handicap kids to kill inicent people. But they will riot over a cartoon picture. That tells you what type of religion they serve.
question: Where is the thanks from the people of Isalm when American soliders have saved millions of them from death?
God Bless America.
Jesus had one commandment: “This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.” Jhn 15:12
According to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the World Christian Database as of 2007 estimated the six fastest growing religions of the world to be Islam (1.84%), the Bahá’í Faith (1.7%), Sikhism (1.62%), Jainism (1.57%), Hinduism (1.52%), and Christianity (1.32%).
CNN:
“The second-largest religion in the world after Christianity, Islam is also the fastest-growing religion. In the United States, for example, nearly 80 percent of the more than 1,200 mosques have been built in the past 12 years.
Some scholars see an emerging Muslim renaissance as Islam takes root in many traditionally Christian communities.”
FP:
Islam
“The List: The World’s Fastest-Growing Religions
(No.1
Growth rate*: 1.84 percent
Adherents: 1.3 billion”
He who wants to be Muslim does so freely. I ask God Allmighty to smite all those who are against truth and may God Allmighty Damm the liers.
Something to think about:
Christianity began with a seeming defeat…that eventually ended in Victory.
Islam began with a series of military victories…and it’s been basically on a downhill slide ever since.
As for the above comments by “Nabil,” he exemplifies perfectly the cognitive dissonance of Islam: he says conversions are done “freely,” yet in the same breath he asks his God to “smite” and “damn” the rest of us if we don’t see things his way.
By Thor’s Hammer, that’s some insecure, paranoid religion you’ve “freely converted” to, Nabil.
As Lenin’s first Commissar of Religion once noted, “Religion is like a nail. The harder you drive it, the deeper it goes.
I myself have gone back and forth on the whole Islam-is-Peace and Islam-is-Terror argument. Before 9/11 I could have cared less, although I knew there were extremists that had committed acts of terror from the Munich Olympics to the USS Cole. On 9/11 I wanted them all dead and would have gladly engaged in a Hitler-like purge to rid the world of the pestilence that had left 3000 dead and Lower Manhattan a gaping hole and threatened the rest of us with the same.
But would that have been any less extreme or nihilistic than the extremists themselves?
If I have one major gripe, it’s that the ‘extremist minorities’ of Islam, unlike those in the West, often control the machineries of state and use their considerable wealth, power and influence to not only make their own societies Islamist hellholes, but ours as well. They are the same ilk of ‘extremist minorities’ that left Europe a devastataed wasteland during WWII.
That said, I have too much respect for the reasonable Muslim Voices In The Wilderness who are as sick of the violence justified in the name of Islam as were are, like those at http://www.freemuslims.org , to want to line them all up against the wall.
To them, Islam is truly a Religion of Peace which they practice both in word and deed. Their credo is ‘he who saves one life saves the world entire’ and not having theological debates as to whether it is permissible to slaughter even innocent Muslims in Jihad.
Does anyone else see the twisted irony of clerics permitting jihadis to kill fellow Muslims in order to save them?
The problem is the radicals, imams and clerics who wield far too much power and influence, like The Grand Mufti of Syria who threatened the Dutch people over Fitna from no less an esteemed podium than the EU Parliament. If those EU diplomats were more like Churchill and less like Chamberlaine they would have thrown his fascist riot-inciting robed ass in jail on the spot, not given him a standing ovation.
So there it is. Do all we can to strip power from, overthrow or kill the extremists before they do the same to us, shut up, jail or deport the radicals, and dope smack their enablers in the West.
I hate to use the analogy, but the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is of the same stripe as the Grand Mufti, and Obama doesn’t help matters any by whitewashing him i.e. condemning his words,refusing to disavow him and then equivocating later that it was just a few sound bites loped together. Hate is hate, no matter who or what the source. To throw his own slogan back at him, ‘Words Matter.’ We have to stand up or get used to lying down.
Inshallah!
I doubt Islam is on much of a decline. I view this article mostly as wishful thinking.
“After almost five years of war, many young people in Iraq, exhausted by constant firsthand exposure to the violence of religious extremism, say they have grown disillusioned with religious leaders and skeptical of the faith that they preach.”
I thought they (the PC crowds) said Bush’s adventure in Iraq was a boon to Al Quada recruitment. As the worm turns…
Nabil – why don’t you quit asking God to do your dirty work for you and start asking your people to actually contribute something to the World?
Nash, or should I say NASH?;
Islam means Submission (to Allah and hence the Koran).
Islam offers peace, of three varieties:
1) Conversion;
2) Submission (dhimmitude, for ‘People of the Book’ only);
3) Death.
‘Moderates’ give you a bit longer to choose.
The Pope knows Islam is a “Junk Yard Dog Religion” and apparently Muslims are seeing the truth . God Bless Us All is a Catholic mantra .
“Allah Help Us Kill Infidels” is the Islamic mantra.
This would certainly be an improvement. But I really think we need more substantial evidence before depending on a report like this.
MarkJ wrote, “Something to think about: Christianity began with a seeming defeat…that eventually ended in Victory.”
Yes, the resurrection could not have taken place without the crucifixion. But, like most people, Christian or not, I’d rather not be crucified in the first place if not absolutely necessary.
‘Any man’s death diminishes me’
“On the first day of what is likely to become Britain’s biggest terrorist trial, the prosecutor, Peter Wright QC, told Woolwich Crown Court in east London that the plotters were ‘indifferent’ to the fate of their innocent victims. . .They were ready to detonate liquid explosives on board at least seven flights from Heathrow to the US and Canada” and in a variety of locations in the airport itself. The trial will determine whether the men are guilty as charged.
John Donne was a 17th century English adventurer, Anglican priest, and poet. His philosophy rose out of his belief in the precious importance of every person and the vital connections of community. His famous meditation is an unforgettable expression of Christian spirit -
. . .No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as any manner of thy friends or of thine own were; any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. . .Meditation XVII
To TheMadKing:
Don’t pin your hope on reformist Muslims. The verse, in effect says, do not kill innocents, means do not kill innocent Muslims. If the reformist Muslims were honest they would have made it clear that Islam do not accept that anyone can be innocent if he or she is not a Muslim.
Even if a Muslim is honest in regarding to aspiration for reform, he or she is completely powerless. the Quran and Hadith of Islam are completely explicit in inciting violence and oppression against non-Muslims and against apostates who leave Islam.
Ahmad al-Qataani, leader of the Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, explains the decline:
So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non-Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people.
Mr al-Qataani, it doesn’t help increase the number of Muslim, when one set of Muslim, Arabized Sudanese commit genocide against another set of Muslims, black African Muslims in Dafur.
The “message from the same three faiths” is not, I say again, NOT the same. The Holy Father points to the importance of reason and Faith. There are natural moral laws which can be known by reason. The Islamist conception of God is not “Immanuel, God with us”, but and unknowable deity to whom one must submit, and from whom commands to do the irrational can issue. (See George Weigel’s book Faith, Reason and the War on Jihadism.) Islam has no calls to love one’s neighbor, but to kill him for unbelief. There is no salvific redemption, and no Christ. There does seem to be this: “He who wants to be Muslim does so freely. I ask God Allmighty to smite all those who are against truth and may God Allmighty Damm the liers.” It would be nice if the thugs, Jihadist, Islamists, terrorists, Wahhabist, al Quedaists, beard-wearing, finger waving, throat slitting murderers, bombers, torturers, and Mosque of the Golden Dome exploders would leave the smiting to God.
Showan Khurshid, I do not pin my hopes on Islamic reformists. As I said, they are the Voices In The Wilderness. They are The White Rose of the Muslim world. Too many other moderate Muslim voices, even those in the West, have been silenced by the same fear and threats of violence as we kaffirs have been subjected to, only it’s more personal and real in their communities. I’m sure that watching EU dipolmats cheering the Grand Mufti of Syria on for basically threatening the Dutch people with ‘unrest, violence and bloodshed’ over Fitna does not inspire them much to speak out.
For example the world-renowned critic of radical Islam, Dr. Wafa Sultan, had to go into hiding with her family because the radical Islamist Egyptian sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi issued a fatwa of death against her. Her heinous crime? She stated on Al-Jazeera TV that the Danish cartoonists had the right to publish the cartoons. Why is this guy still walking around free while so many like Sultan have to hide in fear of violent death?
We in the West provide considerable economic and military aid to Egypt. There should be conosiderable strings attached whereby we can pressure them to make examples of Qaradawi and others, but we do not.
It MUST be a concerted worldwide effort to hold to account Islamists like Qaradawi and the Grand Mufti of Syria by ALL of us in the West.
This Chamberlaine-like ‘diplomacy’ and capituation to the radicals of Islam must be replaced in Western governments with the iron will and words of Churchill, particularly in the EU. Otherwise, will we be required to storm the beaches of Fortress Europe a third time because of feckless diplomats and governments?
It would be a monumental effort requiring ALL of us, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, to face these modern-day Nazis down.
Not holding my breath on that one. The lesson of history, it would seem, is that we do not learn the lessons of history. Or, should I say, we always seem to have to re-learn them the hard way.
This is good “news” and I’m an atheist.
While living in a Middle Eastern country from 2002 to 2006, I met several Iranian converts to Christ, mostly, if not all, refugees. Despite oppression from Muslim neighbors, the converts’ new faith was strong and their hearts full of love for God and their fellow man.
Concerning Christian missionaries and their converts, I’ve seen exaggerated figures in the Islamic media before. I suspect the exaggerations may be an attempt to rouse Muslims to action against the spread of the Gospel.
This response from Islamic missiologist Ben Hegeman. Ben’s PhD is from Univ of Utrecht; he’s spent 17 years as a missionary to Muslims in west Africa (Benin).
It smells of the folly of David when he counted the warriors in the 12-tribes, and begs the question: ‘for whose purpose are these numbers being made up?’. There is no way 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity per day; it is closer between 16 and 160. Knowing what we do about how apostates from Islam are treated, we would know of the consequences everywhere. We could wish this fiction was true but we’d be reading of gladiator-styled massacres if it were so.
Feel free to pass this on, but I doubt it will stop it from circulating….
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Bruce:
I believe that this religion (Islam), will eventually end up on the ash heap of history, with only the completely ignorant still trying to save it. All we have to do is continue to pray, remain vigilant, and never, never, never give in to these thugs.
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Bruce to late, they give in every single day, especially so in the UK. I am very afraid of what will happen in my Country in a few years time. The Country is being driven by the EU who are in my opinion “Evil”.
Islam continues to grow because of the high birthrate. Its promulgation in the west is dependent on immigration, and the welfare state.
To srike at the welfare state is to strike against violent muslim cults.
Troy and other doubters: You’ll find some even more credulity-straining “statistics” here:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ChuckColson/2008/03/24/they_want_jesus_instead_why_muslims_convert
Excerpt:
“According to the website Islam Watch, in Russia, some two million ethnic Muslims converted to Christianity last year. Ten thousand French Muslims converted, as did 35,000 Turkish Muslims. In India, approximately 10,000 people abandoned Islam for Christianity.
“In his book Epicenter, author Joel Rosenberg details amazing stories of Muslims converting to Christianity. In Algeria, the birthplace of St. Augustine, more than 80,000 Muslims have turned to Christ in recent years. This, despite the stiff opposition from Islamic clerics who have passed laws banning evangelism.
“In Morocco, newspaper articles openly worry that 25,000 to 40,000 Muslims have become followers of Christ in recent years.”
I think people should be free to convert to whichever faith they like. I am a Muslim who almost converted to Christianity. But what made me stop was the complete lack of authenticity in the religion. The Gospels are not written in the language Christ spoke. The Trinity cannot be found anywhere in the Bible. Neither can other fundamental Christian doctrines. Indeed, Christian doctrine is so irrational as to be absurd. Christians claim God is love. But what kind of loving God kills His own innocent son? And what is this imbecilic notion of original sin?
Islam, on the other hand, is logically consistent. God is one. God is not a binity or trinity or dodeckinity. Yes, at times Islam was spread by the sword. But where do we find in the history of Muslims the kinds of genocides committed by the Catholic Church on natives in Latin American? Where was there an Islamic Inquisition? Which Muslim scientist was burned at the stake for proclaiming the world is round?
I agree that Muslims need to take responsibility for the ills in their societies. But where do you find among Muslims the sorts of denial and coverups that we have seen in the Anglican and Catholic churches over pedophilia?
Just some thoughts.
I find your comments laughable. You claim you were about to convert but know nothing about Christianity. Try taking an Alpha Course – it will explain it for you.
As far as paedophilia in the Church goes at least people are disgusted by it. Look at islam, you have child rape, child marriage (since Aisha!) and yet you deny paedophilia exists in islam. Just because you call it “marriage” does not mean it is not child rape. What 6 year old know anything about marriage or sex?
Here are some websites about religious affiliation in the USA that I find interesting:
http://religions.pewforum.org/reports
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/003445print.html
http://cara.georgetown.edu/rel022808.pdf
nice try Miraj, to say you almost converted to Christianity is a bold face lie when you cannot back up what the heck is logical about islam.
your found Mo was no prophet, his legacy he had created can be found in the way he live his life, he was a thief, killer, and pedophile. Jesus last words was to ask God his father to forgive those who killed him, where as Mo’s last words were his orders to kill all non-Muslims. now can you see how one might understand that Islam was basically spread by the sword, as any sane person would reject this cult of death called Isalm!
I pray every day for the conversion of Islam to Christianity.
I don’t hate Muslims. I hate their religion. When I read of honor killings, mutilation, burkhas, women denied health care or even the right to sing or dance or feel the sun on their face, when I read of polygamy and human slavery, I don’t hate the people who do these things. I hate the religion that turned them into creatures who could do this.
I pray for the freedom of all Muslims to be set free from the chains of their religion. This article gives me hope.
Miraj, thank you for your thoughts. Being a Christian is a very personal thing. It is very different from Islam with its certainties, rules and regulations. There are umpteen forms, and we don’t agree on every point. All it really requires is that you read the gospels and accept Jesus’ mission. How you understand that mission is pretty much up to you. Doctrines written by acknowledged experts exist to help Christians understand Jesus’ mission and guide them to it. You don’t have to accept all or any of them. They are secondary literature, they don’t have the same authority as Jesus’ life, words and work.
Jesus taught in parables because he wanted people to see beyond the outside, to an inner world of the Spirit where Reality was. He wanted to open the eye of the heart to the miraculous truth of Life that is hidden from us by the ‘hard heart, and the worldly mind’. It goes without saying that being a Christian isn’t easy. Most of us fail, most of the time, sadly.
Christianity is really a charismatic religion in which the dynamic agency of the Holy Spirit is very important. We believe that the Holy Spirit is present in all ages and can reach all men if only we open our hearts to God’s message as revealed by Jesus.
That’s why Jesus was against blindly following rules; he thought it took people away from the spirit of the law. Following rules in a blind empty way makes you a hypocrite; it is the inspiration that counts. Some people are uncomfortable with that, but others find it liberating. ‘The truth shall set you free’.
I can only advise you to read the Gospels for yourself and see if this strange and wonderful man’s life ‘speaks’ to you. If it does, then you are a Christian. Jesus said: ‘Seek and ye will find; ask and it shall be answered you’. What is essential is faith in him; ‘for unless ye believe, ye cannot understand’. Spiritual search is at the heart of Christianity – not being told what to do.
I know that’s tough, especially at first, but if you feel the inspiration of Jesus, you are guided, and you know what to do.
I just listened to a presentation by Ms. Irshad Manji (“The Trouble with Islam Today”). She is a Canadian, Muslim rationalist, challenging Muslims to question their faith. Her book is a good, fast read. I’ve seen Ms. Hirsan Ali on C-Span. She is an apostate, social scientist, and devastating critic of Islam. I learned in many settings that if you are betting against women, especially moms, you are probably making a losing bet.
Mr. Miraj injects into the thread the usual Muslim anti-Christian talking points: no Trinity in the Bible, etc. Actually all Christian doctrines are explicit or highly implicit in the Bible. Exploring these is part of the fun of being a Christian. The self-sacrifice of the Son is a mystery of profound depth, an endless source of meaning and occasion for meditation and prayer. (The problem for Islam, in contrast, is the usual dynastic one in which there are family claimants to power and authority, resulting in Sunni-Shia discord, etc.)
Miraj makes the usual point, to turn to another item, that Allah is One. Is Allah One? John of Damascus said, “Then ask a Muslim how the Koran, which is eternal according to Muslims, can be co-existent with Allah. The Muslim will run away in disgust with you.” Is God One? Well, yes. And Christians are just more willing to dwell on the mystery that Muslim run away from: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” etc.
About Christian savagery? Yes, but we see eventually that Jesus leads us away from self-serving savagery, e.g. slavery. It’s hard to justify nastiness by invoking the teachings of Jesus. The Crusades? Mainly a response to Muslim attacks on pilgrims to the Holy Land, with the usual hope for profit larded into the motivation.
This thread has been fun to read. Thank you, everyone, for posting!
As the Tibetans say: Lha-gyal-lo—–Victory to the gods!
They should read the Book of Mormon.
Miraj, some thoughts in return –
Some of the doctrines of various Christian groups don’t make much sense to me either. Doesn’t matter. The Bible is THE source, study it and develop your own understanding. And the inspired word of God in the Bible is universal and can be translated into any language. Not true of the Koran; Muslims insist it can only be read correctly in Arabic.
Muslim genocides? The massacre of the Beni al Quraish Jews by Mohammad himself. The estimated (from Muslim records) 100 million Hindus killed in the conquest of India. The Armenian genocide. The current slaughter in Darfur. That’s just off the top of my head.
When death and mutilation is the Allah-given penalty for apostasy (and many other offenses), every day is Islamic Inquisition Day.
Sexual and physical abuse and cover-ups? This seems to be the fate of a large majority of the foreign women who fill maid and housekeeper positions in wealthy Arab countries. Several Saudis have been prosecuted for keeping servants in virtual slavery here in the USA. You might also want to check out Dr. Nancy Kobrin’s study ‘Sheik’s New Clothes: the Psychoanalytic Roots of Islamic Suicide Terrorism’. Dr Kobrin’s study describes “barbarous family and clan dynamics in which children, both boys and girls, are routinely orally and anally raped by male relatives.”
Tell me again how wonderful Islam is.
Mike, Jesus might have had one commandment but God had ten, the first of which was, “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”. Why do you put Jesus before God? Not even Jesus can save you if you tick God off by ignoring His commandments. Ask the Israelis. They have a long history of it.
Marcus,
starting wid u,
The Crusades? Mainly a response to Muslim attacks on pilgrims to the Holy Land, with the usual hope for profit larded into the motivation.
R u naive,or has any idea about history!!!Crusade was mainly launched for looting and money.Even they did not spare their faith brother orthodox christians in constantipole.No christian pilgrimage was killed.Show me a evidence.N who is non belivers in islam.Is it the christian or jew.Answer is no. They r turmed as people of the book.If christian n jews were really treated as non belivers muslims would 1st destroy church of bethelhem or church of jerusalem.But muslim never did even after the horrible thing crusade.Even till now around 12-15% arabs r coptive christian around the world.They r christians for generations.N in islam it is forbidden to convert jews n christian by force.Very few incident happened like that by certain ruler.There was nothing to do wid islam wid that.12-15% arabs r christians is the best proof i guess.Same goes for the jews.They found their golden age under mulim rule.Go search.Yes u r talking about banu qurayza stuff.But do u knw the actual history !!! or u r a victim of zionist propaganda machine!!! They were not killed .They were punished according to their dutornomy for the crime of breaking treaty of helping maccans to kill innocent women n child during the battle of treanch by their own chossen ally.
Now lets come to the hindu stuff. That muslims kill 100 million hindu.Nothing more than a propaganda launched by the british during their colonial time.In recent time even hindu professors said 80 million hindu was not declined but raised by 32.5 million during muslim time.
It is the christians who has killed during the crusade,ethnic americans,indeginious australian n so on.
N u r saying islam was spread by sword.!! wat a joke have u ever looked how christianity spread.
just go to this site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ancient_Roman_religion
n u will find that wat happened to many of yr ancestors.The christianity which was permitted to grow among ancient european religion n to borrow their many belief turned to percicution all the ancient religion when constantie converted.They were started to destroy all the pegan tample despite warning from constantie not to do that.This is origin of yr christianity.
The so called son of god/god theory was taken from attis/horus/zeus/Mithra all the sun deity.Invented by paul n implimented by constantie in the counsil of nicaea.
Many of u talked about pope is well aware about “Islam is a junk yard religion”
Did any of try to ask y the pagan fish hat in the head of pope whom u r talking about knowing the islam.
Here r some links of origin of pegan christianity.If u have guds than watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNkthC-yWYU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auz1oF6pfJc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ICqSxNA6AA&feature=related
N trinity lol!!!
just search in the google
“Origin of trinity”
U will find wat yr church father never say 2 all of u fools.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian
go n see.
Yr catholics pope still pray to different statue n saints.sends some prayer even to this day to mary as mother of god.
This is so funny that many of you littarate fool even knowing this do not ask question.
But the main fact is that more than 50% european has abandoned christianity.More n more churches remain empty.Soon will be followed to other continent especially to china n india.When people of india will come to knw that
this r the same people who had “COORUPTED THEIR RELIGIOUS BOOK BHAVISSIYA PURANA AFTER 1792 DURING THE TIME OF 1ST PRINTING” n now they r using the books to convert tham by showing them there is jesus,moses in yr scripture,all the 18 other puna is a fabble written in yr bhavisiya purana,Look it is written prophet muhammad is a evil,look it is also written how queen victoria would come to see all of u light n it is also known that there would be a british perlament in kolkakata in the early 19th n later 18th century.
This is the most heinus crime that yr christian missionaries done by corrupting the religious book of the most oldest religion of the world.
n when the chinies will come 2 know that jesus is fabble of budhha in christianity which is created by helenized n gnostic christianity which is propsed by paul.
ohh in modern time it is found that old testament is nothing more than a fabble written 500 or 600 years after the event, not by god but by some1 who wanted to organize the people from foreign threat.n it was written by 5 group of people, e,j,d,p n the last group edited all the previous four group.yr so called elohim is the cannanitie penthion deity which is chief god of 70 other god such as ra ball etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#Cultus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
HERE FOR THE CHRISTIANS MUST READ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mythology#Important_examples_of_Christian_mythology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
Ohhh here r the dead sea scrolls translation.Which the church tried to hide for years.This gives a example how the SON OF GOD theory developed in palestine during 2nd century bc to 68 ad.
http://100777.com/spiritual/1328
I have talked about a lot about christianity forget about the above.Just asking u a simple question wat many of thought from the child hood by church n that is jesus christ rose up in the 3rd day.But any of u ever try 2 count whether it is really 3rd day or 1n half day.
Look in jews law they start counting day from the evening from when sun set off.That means when jesus died n burried according to gospel it is already saturday.so jesus left in the tomb saturday night,saturday morning n sunday night.In the sunday morning they came out ,through it may be possible he came out in the saturday night or morning or sunday night.That means jesus remain in the tomb for 2 night and 1 day at best.
Now my question 2 all of u learned man is 2 NIGHT n 1 DAY CALLED 3RD day.
Ask yr own theology.Wat u r thouht by church.In the mark 16:9-20 was later addition.It was end when mary heard jesus was not on the tomb.The later jesus came out n go every country is the later addition by the vaticans.as we dnt have any known gospel b4 codex vaticanas.
just go 2 wikipedia about the 4 gospel.There r many things that many of u needed to knw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mathew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Luke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John
Yes i admit there r many problem in the islamic high authority rite now n they r not that much organized like the church or other missionary organaization.But things r also changing.All most all the clerics r illitarate ,but now at present all the clerics r now started to be educated ,even only last month for the 1st time saudi decided to train all the imam for interfaith dialouge which was not b4.All the other countries clerics r not trained for inter faith dialouge n dnt trained to answer the so called contradiction in quran that lead them to fell amberrased in the africa n some other country.Things r changing.N most of the convert that missionaries got in the africa r extremly poor ppl by providing them money,food or medicine.So it is not a matter of fact true convert .When any other religious group even hindu or budhhist go n spent some money they will get convert.In recent years muslims r also organizing missionary activity which was bsent from 19th century.
Ohh by the way like to finish wid so called extrimism.
Who did 9-11 or 7-7 london bombing or bali or madrid bombing!!!
It was not al qaeda or islamic extrimist.
cordinating attack by cia n mossaad.
There r hundreds of evidence that it was an inside job.If u look at the pattern of this attacks u will find that all these attacks were done r a certain intention.
9-11-to go for a pre emptive attack n to impliment PROJECT OF NEW AMERICAN CENTURY.
U can search internet for detail info .It was created to stublish a global control by usa.
afghanistan war-a stratigic place to control both china,russia,pakistan n iran.N to route the gas n oil from caspian sea.This was planned from 1979.N this is usa which went to different religious clerics n told them for a zihad against the russians n named the war as “HOLY WAR”.
Through zihad does not mean holy war.It is a product of christians in the medival ages.N so called alqaeda is a product of usa which trained n armed it.
Iraq war.It was a stratigic war to gain a strong control in the middle east.N there is also some stratigic reason behind the war
1.to gain a control of iraqi oil n to control its tap to control china by threating it of stopping oil supply.so for india.
2.For israel.
3.for making profit of wall streat n military industrial complex.
4.to spread gospel.all the baptist n evengelical christian organization lobbied for this genocidal war so that they can get some convert wid the msg of love after the war to the war torn ppl.
This was degined by paul wolfowitch,richard pearl n benjamin netyahu of isral by a project named a clean break.
Wat ever is happening in the mulim world or in the middle east is just a by product of that.
Here is some info about the project”A CLEAN BREAK”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm#Analysis
If u read this u will find that wat ever so called extrimism and mass murder is happening is the product of jews neocon n evil evangelical society conspiracy not islamic extremism.
2006-lebanon war.Soory once again the war started by the israli not hezbullah..N israeli soldires were abducted from lebanon not cross border raid in israel.Israel was planning to attack lebanon to take control of its southern part from the 2003.
LASTLY SOME PRROF THAT ALQAEDA IS NOT AS IT SEEMS:
Search google:”ROBIN KOOK THERE IS NO ALQAEDA”
robin kook is a former british secratary.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
n plz visit 100777.com for more information.
thankz n have a good day
FYI….
There are over 1 billion muslims in the planet, but most of them are poor & uneducated. For example Bangladesh is the 3rd largest muslim country with 150+ millions of muslims, but only 23% are educated among them. FYI….people in Bangladesh who can barely sign their own signature are considered educated. Most of the village people don’t have food to eat. Do you really think these people care what religion they practice if they can’t eat? I’m sure India & Pakistan are not different…
Now the question is how many muslims are there who are educated (at least completed high school)?
For those participating in the debate between the relative merits of Islam vs Christianity, I would invite you to reduce the discussion to its simplest and most basic form.
The debate is not between Christianity and Islam. It is not a discussion of which religion has created the greatest atrocities. The question is between the character and teachings of the founders of the two faiths; Jesus and Mohammed. Forget the distortions of their purported followers throughout the centuries. Look to the roots. Look at the two men. Look at their claims, teachings, character, personal morality, and documentable history. Compare the freedom, or lack thereof, they give their followers to continue to follow, or to depart. Jesus allowed Judas to leave and reap his own destruction. Mohammed will inflict death himself on those who depart. Jesus seeks voluntary heart conversion that brings both personal peace, and collectively, societal peace. Mohammed enforces his brand of peace by threat of death.
The ultimate compulsion to follow Christ may include the fear of hell, but the driving force is the beauty of his love. “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear,” John says. It is that magnetism that ultimately keeps the disciple near his teacher. Does the same magnetism exist in Islam, or is there an overwhelming fear factor of physical retribution meted out by Allah’s disciples that is commanded in Allah’s book that keeps the faithful, faithful.
Jesus and his teachings are qualitatively different from what you find with Mohammed. Jesus is infinitely superior. He is the one worthy of allegiance.
truth teller, blah blah blah. ever hear of spell check? i tried to read your post and wanted to throw myself off a cliff afterwards.
This author’s allegation of people leaving Islam in droves is pure fantasy. He is obviously a failed missionary of some sort. Pinning all his hopes on the pipe dream that Jesus (peace be upon him) died on the cross for his sins. Islam is based on PURE DIVINE REVELATION – the Quran. This divine book has challenged people like this author and his supporters, admirers etc to proof it false. The garbage emanating from the comments section is ignorance personified.
Bring forth your proof and stop using shock and awe tactics – show us that your decadent way life is what GOD has ordained. Challenge the REVELATIONS in the Quran and stop using nasty tactics of insults upon insults. Surely your way of life holds NO salvation
Goola Begg,
Please watch Geert Wilders movie Fitna. It provides all the reason anyone might need to reject Islam based on the pure revelation of the Koran.
Miraj:
“The Gospels are not written in the language Christ spoke”
We consider this a good thing. Everyday Christians can read and understand God’s Word for themselves. This is why there are Protestants and Catholics. Prior to that, Catholic priests conducted mass in Latin and the Bible was only printed in Latin. This gave the priest exclusive control of the interpretation of the scripture. This opened up the door for abuse and when Martin Luther had had enough, Protestantism was born.
That abuse is evident in your examples of the Inquisition and the forced conversions in South America. However, please note that those were done by the church in Rome. The Eastern Orthodox church that represented Christianity from Greece eastward did not engage in that sort of thing. Neither did the Protestants who were the primary settlers of North America.
Catholics themselves are not evil. This is just what happens when you give clergy that much power over your life. What other religion gives its clergy that much power? Islam.
“where do you find among Muslims the sorts of denial and coverups that we have seen in the Anglican and Catholic churches over pedophilia?”
Many of these charges are thirty and forty years old. In those days, one did not question one’s priest. These days you can and that’s why these things are being revealed. In Muslim countries, questioning a member of the Islamic clergy will get you imprisoned or worse. If you take away that threat, you will see the same sort of things. Perhaps not necessarily of a sexual nature, because I think that’s due to the celibacy requirement for Catholic priests, but I’ll bet you’d find ethical problems among Imams dealing with money and power.
“…what kind of loving God kills His own innocent son?”
A God who needs to understand his creation better by experiencing birth, temptation, and death.
“…where do we find in the history of Muslims the kinds of genocides committed by the Catholic Church on natives in Latin American?”
Pretty much everywhere Islam is practiced outside of Mohammed’s hometown.
“where do you find among Muslims the sorts of denial and coverups that we have seen in the Anglican and Catholic churches over pedophilia?”
Uh, you might want to check out the boys “… of eternal freshness, like pearls” which you Muslims are all promised in Paradise.
Here are a few other places to look:
“The Boys of the Taliban”
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=D51B2383-01A0-4896-B174-19F115EC0942
And some more (full text of articles at link):
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/654
Startled marines find Afghan men all made up to see them 5/02
2 Shh, It’s an Open Secret: Warlords and Pedophilia (New York Times) 2/02
3 Kandahar’s Lightly Veiled Homosexual Habits (Los Angeles Times) 4/02
4 Kandahar comes out of the closet (Times of London) 12/02
5 Kandahar: Closely Watched Pashtuns–A Critique of Western Journalists’ Reporting Bias about ‘Gay Kandahar 4/03
6 Afghanistan has its first official AIDS deaths 6/04
7 Interview with Michael Luongo on his return from ‘gay Afghanistan’: on Afghani male intimacy and sex 7/04
Miraj — you seem to be a very thoughtful, bright man. And sometimes, in matters of faith especially, our own powers of reasoning and logic can be a stumbling block.
I’m not one to memorize scripture, but I believe somewhere the Bible says in reference to the crucifixion “the ways of God are foolishness to man” – and then says “God has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise, and the weak things of the world to confound the mighty.”
To my mind, I cannot separate God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They are One. Yet I know how they have manifested themselves to me differently – like three different people. And if God is both the Father and the Son, then is it not Himself that He has crucified? What greater love can there be?
I encourage you to go in search of that love. All God requires of us is a heart filled with love for Him. One wanting to know Truth. He will know the sincerity of our hearts – and He will honor our efforts.
I’ve been overjoyed to read of Muslims to whom Christ revealed Himself when their hearts cried out to know Truth. They had been wrestling with their faith, but clearly their love for God was tremendous. How I wish more Christians were so devoted!
I often wonder if it is the measure of our devotion to God that determines the measure of the revelation of Himself to us. We cannot judge one another, but consider this:
However much we receive from Him, it is all glorious.
We have been posting basics on this subject with web pages the Internet for five years.
Our thought is that only a few studious people understand Islam and the basics of personal faith. Practicing Islam does not satisfy that primary human desire. 2,500 new readers a month read our http://www.islam-101.org.
Abraham as the starting point of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is discussed at http://www.abraham-101.org. Personal faith is examined at http://www.faith-101.info.
It may be possible to accelerate the process of mass apostasy & conversion by planting the seeds of doubt & introspection. My plan involves dramatizing the Qur’an & Sunnah and giving it global distribution. Let the Ummah see Moe reciting situational scripture, murdering, raping, warmongering & practicing lechery.
http://www.petitiononline.com/MGP05/petition.html
Beleiver.
“All God requires of us is a heart filled with love for Him. One wanting to know Truth. He will know the sincerity of our hearts – and He will honor our efforts”. What B.S. Do you have any idea what you beleive and why you beleive it? Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things
and desperately sick. Romans 3:10 as it is written: None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks God…no one does good.
The last thing you want is God looking at your heart.
What do you believe?
Did the “truth teller” ever read history ?
Muslims kings and generals, in their own words, have written how many millions they killed in hope of converting India into an Islamic state. Soldiers were given money for every head they cut off and brought to their general.
Hindus women were taken away as sex slaves, prompting many of them to burn themsleves rather be enslaved. The Sati system started as a response to predatory muslim invasion of India. Hindu children were enslaved and forced to convert.
People were offered money, lands, government jobs to convert on a routine basis. Heavy taxes were levied on Hindus and their temples, monasteries, schools destroyed. Go to any part of India and ruins of large ancient temples will confound any “truth teller”. Indeed, some of the early mosques were built from ruble of Hindu temples, as evidenced by carvings still seen on them.
Fortunately, the faith of the Hindus was strong enough and despite 800 years of brutal rule, only 25 % of India became muslim – majority being immigrants or children of slaves.
Hinduism is the only religion and Indian culture is the only one that has managed to survive direct rule of mullas and missionaries. Despite a 1000 years of foreign rule (800 by muslims and 200 by christians), Hindus are still practicing their faith and culture in India. This is a testament to their inner strength and resolve.
No amount of playing with stats or wishful thinking can diminish the TRUTH. Fortunately, there are enough people who still know the truth to denounce the lies of anyone masquerading as “Turth Teller”.
Allen:
What do I believe? Every word you’ve quoted from the Bible. And every word I’ve written.
A search of our hearts is the last thing any man wants to engage in – we prefer the comfort of the ignorance of our sin. If we draw closer to God, our trust in Him grows and our desire to please Him as well. Hopefully, we become obedient to the first commandment to “love the Lord thy God with ALL thy heart.” (emphasis mine)
Too many of us have a lukewarm interest in God at best. But if there is something – or someone – we love, aren’t we eager to spend every minute with them? This doesn’t mean we can’t go on with our daily lives. But the depth of our desire to know Truth, and to submit to His teaching, is critical.
And God knows when our hearts are ready to receive Him, and makes way for us to journey with Him.
We should not fear submitting to God in this way. I can personally attest to this: at the very moment God reveals that sin to the believer, He takes it away, replacing it with His Holy Spirit. There is no greater joy. The heart is changed. He sees his fellow man with new eyes. And it is the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart – not any good thing in us – that allows us to love as God has loved us.
I can also personally attest that the “saved” is not now perfect. He must daily surrender to the working of the Holy Spirit, otherwise he falls into the “old” ways. But God is faithful to the surrendered heart: He returns us to joy if we’ve fallen into the hell our thoughts and actions might take us. We need only return to Him with a grieved heart.
I believe these things, Allen, because I’ve been blessed to experience them. And one more thing if I may – my singular devotion to God, and Christ, began when my life had become grievously wretched.
I am now thankful for that wretchedness, and know how true are these words also: “Blessed are you who weep and mourn” – for if my life had been swimmingly wonderful, I might not have turned to Him and received the greatest blessing of all.
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Bonnie_:
I pray every day for the conversion of Islam to Christianity.
I don’t hate Muslims. I hate their religion. When I read of honor killings, mutilation, burkhas, women denied health care or even the right to sing or dance or feel the sun on their face, when I read of polygamy and human slavery, I don’t hate the people who do these things. I hate the religion that turned them into creatures who could do this.
I pray for the freedom of all Muslims to be set free from the chains of their religion. This article gives me hope.
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Nr 1-
Females should be controled.
Nr2-
Islam is not the reason the tribal people of those regions have the gender dynamic they do. There tribal culture –older than Islam–is.
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let me tell you what I beleive. I beleive that around two thousand years ago Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sin. When he said it is finished and sacrificed his life for me he showed me his love for me. It’s not about my heart or my experience. It’s about Jesus’ work on the cross.
The muslim has had an experience also. It is his experience and his journey, as does the atheist. They know in their hearts they are right. You see the heart is not to be trusted. Jesus is.
The work of the Spirit is to point to Christ. Jn6:13,14
If the spirit is telling you to look to your experience or your heart, beware.
As far as being obedient to the command ‘Love the lord with all your heart and sole and mind’ or any commandment; I prefere to rely on the work that Jesus did on the cross for me.
There is this little thing called sin that makes me unable to obey the way God’s holiness requires.
Praise God for Jesus’ work on the cross.
allen
Allen:
What I found, in my journey as a Christian, is that it is not enough to accept God’s sacrifice for us. We are naturally inclined to receive His forgiveness and leave it at that. But there is something that doesn’t sit so well with us: the call for us to “take up our cross and follow Him.” We’d rather avoid that one.
Yes, praise God for giving us His Son; His IS the Way, the Truth and Life.
And it often takes a good, hard look into our hearts – with God leading us through His Holy Spirit – to discover how short we fall from that high calling. There is a sin that leads to death. Do you know which one? This is the sin – when revealed, as in The Revelation – that blessedly sends us to the foot of the Cross in love and thanksgiving for the work He has done in our heart.
Yes, we can as Christians say “Thank you Lord for what You did” – but doesn’t Christ Himself also warn that to many of us He will say, “I never knew you”? And “If you hate any man, you hate Me”?
I posted some comments on more of my beliefs on Chetwynd’s Open Letter to Obama – the last one being quite close to the end. I’m happy to continue this dialogue. God bless you, Allen.
The average American, who is oblivious to the existential threat of Islam to Western Civilization, needs to wrap his/her mind around two facts. (1) Jesus died for his beliefs-Mohammed made everybody else die for his. (2) Every major religion espouses some version of the Golden Rule-except Islam.
“Liberals” in this country will run down Christianity at every opportunity, but I found a surprising reaction when I remarked to one that it would be better if Muslims became non-observant and lax about their religion, much as most westerners are with regards to Christianity.
He was appalled. Why would we want Muslims to not observe their religion?
Unbelievable. The left continually ridicule religion when it comes to Christianity, but they are fully supportive of Islam, which, last I checked, is chalk full of the same sort of things they claim to not like about Christianity (prudishness, belief in a non-scientific god, etc.).
So what the left really hates about Christianity, is its practitioners. What they love about Islam is its practitioners and the ones they like the most are the ones that hate the west.
And that’s the core of it all – the left’s seething hatred of western civilization.
Where did you come up with that one billion number when refering to the population of Africa? While I agree with your estimate of 316 million as to the number of african muslims, last I heard the population of africa was only 660 million, making the 316 million muslims easily the dominant religion by far. I don’t agree that islam is waning in Africa. They’re killing as many non-muslims as they can, as fast as they can, and the world just sits back and watches in morbid fascination.
Islam is not yet in decline..unfortunately.
The Mahdi will be the embodiment of the Christians anti-christ, or as it were “the beast”
who will eventually be slain..thats the good news
the bad is things aint going to get any better soon folks, so be prepared.Wish I could believe different though.
Jesus had lots of women followers and several helped keep his ministry functioning. Jesus engaged women in conversation whenever He could, such as the woman at the well and his relationship with Lazurus’s sisters Martha and Mary. It was women who had the honor of first discovering the empty tomb and of telling the Eleven about it, and to their credit they did not dismiss them.
Mo: Burka them!
FP (from an earlier post): Nr 1-Females should be controled.
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Christianity wants to spread the message of God’s love and salvation through Christ to all by example and by honest intellectual discourse so that one can freely make a commitment to accept Jesus as his or her personal Lord and Savior.
Islam want to kill the infidel.
Seems pretty straightforward as to which is from the Devil and which is from God.
This is interesting, if true. I can only offer an anecdote.
I come from a conservative Catholic background. I recently married into a conservative Sunni family from Egypt. They are a prominent family throughout the Middle East. Family members range from Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf States, to Germany, France, Australia, UK, and the US. I know from personal experience that several family members attend evangelical Christian services. One woman, my wife’s cousin, is very interested in the RC Church and asks me questions about the Faith. In public, of course, these people still profess Islam, for obvious reasons.
I dislike modern Christianity for its liberalism, egalitarianism, softness, and modernism. However, Middle Easterners (Arabs) tend to be a pretty conservative, pious people, so maybe if more of them become Christian, they have will have a beneficial effect on the church.
Are you aware that the Vatican is a Zionist Occupied Entity? It says so here (and it’s a Muslim website, so it must be true):
http://www.islamunity.com/blogs/?p=92
And there’s further inside information on the recent history of the papacy:
“Late John Paul II (son of a Polish Jewish mother) did started interfaith dialogues with Saudi Wahhabi religious leaders. As for Pope Benedict XVI (called “Nazi Pope” by 70 Jewish websites surveyed in 2004) – is Jewish agent planted in Vatican. How can a Catholic expect his Holy Pope to visit an Anti-Christ’s Synagogue during his coming visit.
“Magdi Allam is nothing but a cheap Zionist ploy like Mark Steyn. His conversion was made a big show because he wrote a book praising Zionazi state of Israel.
“Most Muslim scholars don’t expect a goodwill coming from Vatican, which is a Zionist Occupied entity. You don’t have to take my word. Just read the opinion of a Catholic female columnist and blogger, Joanna Francis:
http://joannafrancis.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/benedict-xvi-zionist-double-agent/
Africa Population:
922,011,000 (2005)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa#cite_note-0
Beleiver,
I was traveling. Sorry not too write sooner.
You, like I was, are on the very begining of your journey. Someone has you derailed because you keep looking in to your heart instead of to the author and finisher of you faith. If you think you can love God and your neibor for even a second you are deceived. If you CAN love God and your neibor why did Christ have to die.If you are pretty good most of the time and just need a little help now and then what was the cross for. Like most christians you probably assume the gospel was just for getting saved and then it’s up to you to show God how much you love him. If you took a good look at your heart you would have to admit there is nothing there to offer to a Holy God. The only good you have or ever will have is from Christ’s work on the cross.
The point is the only response we can have to the gospel is gratitude. To think that a Holy God would stoop down to us, and suffer and die to save us is overwelming. When we look to our heart, which by the way is full of sin and cholesterol, we are slapping God in the face and rejecting him.
Look to Christ. When you do you will see yourself in a whole new light. When you see the work that christ did on the cross for you then you will fall on your knees and understand how great of a thing he has done. Then you will be able to look to your neibor and help him. But if you keep looking in (like all other mystic religions) how can you look to your neibor.
If you like check out this link.
http://www.modernreformation.org/default.php?page=articledisplay&var1=ArtRead&var2=928&var3=main
God bless, I look forward to the day when this type of discourse is not necesarry.
Allen
Christianity and Islam…two sides of the same coin…both are fear based religions…
there is only one religion in this whole world..which is not fear-based….Seek it (in other words….google it..) and you will really see your eyes opening to a whole new beautiful universe..
I know many muslims here in America most are pretty good people depends on what country they are from. I also know many that have converted over to Christianity or other religions its cool what ever people wanna do. I think people are good hearted mainly thats why they are converting who wants to belong to a religion or (cult) that allows you to kill, marry more then one, have a fleshy heaven filled with 72 to girls and 18 boys a day allowed to do nasty things. i would convert myself. well God Bless Everyone of every religion.
Obama is a radical black extremist who, if elected, will make white people “pay” for what we did to their ancestors. Just look at his preacher and the church. All black radicals, so what makes you think that he’s any different. He’s just putting on a front to get votes. People who vote for him are blind itiots. Plus he’s Islamic. Can you image the USA having a president name “President Obama”? Goood lord. Go McCain.
i so sorry to hear that word from people from the countries of freedom
also i want to say that those who made this bombardement in u s a and the other countries are not muslims our religion is the religion of forgivness and our god did not ask to kill people
so plz do not mixte those people with the real muslim
Reading all this really sadens me. Im a muslim born in uk and live in a very diverse community, including christians, muslims, sikhsetc. As the three semetic religions, we should come togather on common terms. not try belittling each other, and arguing over pointless, irrelevant arguments. my religion says do not curse the gods of other religions and specifically says do not hurt the feelings of the people of the book(jews,christians)which religion is growing fastest, conversions rates. who cares. we should live our lives the best way posible and not get involved in any type of propaganda.
another point i would like to make is, isee all these anti islamic comments being made, same comments you would find on any anti islamic website. dont believe everything you read as it is very easy to make something sound like wot it isnot. for example, the famous line, kill the infidels in the quran. wot people do not do is is read prior to that statement and sthe statement made straight after it. im not very learned with the quran so i cant give passage, chapter etc, but please do read it yourself understand and then make your mind up, dont rely on other peoples translations. also these comments were made because of situations taking placve at the time.
my christian brothers. im sure you know about the crusades. the crrusaders raped murdered pillaged once they took over jerusalem. when sallaudin won jerusalem back he gave a safe right of passage to all christians. who was barbaric then. also remeber this also, one man terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. it is 100 pc agreed in the field of psychology that when a people are oppressed to a point they will retaliate in what ever way possible. chehchnya, bosnia, palestine, kashmir, somalia, dagestan, kosovo, and the list goes on. who massacred all those muslims in bosnia. christian serbs. untold brutality. 9/11 has nothing on them. same genocide in chechnya, by who christians. and whos the biggest terrorist of them all. HITLER.wot was he, a christian.
my point is there is always 2 sides to a story and we can only be righteous if we make an unbiased stand. wot is right is right and wot is wrong is wrong. forget what religions we are lets all stand for peace and unity and that can only happen if we respect and tolerate each other, notthink we bigger or better because of religion.
sallam u laikum
which means peace on u all.
i would like to make a few more suggestions on this matter, as after reading all the anti islamic propaganda and false accusations, i feel it is imperative on me to set the record straight.
Touching on the point of who is a terrorist again, Americans should look back into their own history as others have mentioned above, i.e massacre of natives etc. I aint gonna go to deep into it but just ponder this, during the war of independence, Georger Washington was considered a terrorist by the British.
breifly about women in islam. yes you are right, islam does not subscribe to the view of equality of genders. But this only proves the logic and practicality of islam. islam promotes equity of sexes. men and women are not equal but very different, physically, mentally and emotionaly. if a theif breaks into my house, i aint gonna hide behind my wife and say, we are equal so you go. men are genreally, physically stronger than women. women have quality in them which we men totally lack. i.e a womans maternal instinct and her general patience and overly much more effective with kids. i could continue but got to keep it short so ill end this point by posing this thought for you all to dwell on, you have 2 students in a class, bot achieve 98 out of 100in their exams. student a got 50 out of 50 in maths and and 48/50 in english. student b achieves 48/50 in maths and 50/50 in english. both have weaknesses and strengths but are equal in a general sense.that how islam advpcates equality if you ever could do so of sexes. thousands of western/white women reverts to islam bare witness to the fact that islam does not treat women in a derogatary way what so ever.
In the west women are merely considered as sex objects who are solely there for the pleasure of men. Is this assigning equality to women. Skimply dressed women are taunted and disrespected and given unwanted attention on the streets of London etc. the majority of people would not treat a nun in this way automatically because of the way they present themselves they demand the upmost respect. how similar do nuns dress to how all muslim women should dress.
Look at the moral mdecay ofsocieties in the western civilisation. Islam offers solution to the problems of secular west, where church and politics have been disassociated. Islam gives the woman a choice and right to work however it is obligaratory on a man to work and provide, whilst a woman is prefered to fulfil her historic role of keeping the family togather, which is necessary for a just, moral and ethical society. A woman does not have to spend of her money. sole responsibility lies with the man. divorce rates are sky high in the west as well asextra marital sex, not to mention a rape taking place every 30 seconds in the usa. Is it not common sense that rapes will take place when you put suggestively dressed women, alcahol(intoxicants), and men togather. It is widely agreed that men are weak naturally concerning their sexual desires, however when a situation is created as mentioned above, what does anyone expect. Islam, the perfect way of life, provides a society where such dispicable acts would rarely occur.
My wife works as a housing officer for our local council and she wears a hijab. i have total peace of mind concerning her and her actions. i Know not many men will be making advcances to her and i trust her noble character which she achieves from islam. many kids growingup close to where i live, the majority of who have christian or secular(is there a difference)backgrounds, grew up without one or both parent(s), or alternatively were left in care as both parents worked. the anti social elemnt which is so mprevelant in our society stems from this failiure of mainly christian(secular) people to understand the important roles designated to women and men in society. I am not saying muslim youth are not involved in crime, which they are due to poverty, especially amongst pakistani and bangladeshi youth in the uk. however you will not find muslim youth harrasing their neighbours or insulting elders and teachers. a Normal person could not walk through a white working class neighbourhood without being attacked. these kids have gone so far that the emergency services will not enter these housing estates without police escort however urgent the situation, for the sake of their own safety.
now regarding the uneducated and useless islam with respect to what islam has ever offered the world. the ignorance of some people here really surprises me. because of these peoples biased and prejudice filled views they are even blind tohistorical facts. so what has islam ever offered.
1) Gave rights to women 1400 years ago which the women in the western world only started to achieve very recently. somewhere in betwenn 100-200 years ago.
2) Without muslims the western world would lack the following, agricultue; domesticisation of animals for food, clothing and transportation; spinning and weaving; building, draining and irrigation; road making and the wheel; metal working and standard tools and making of all kinds of weapons; sailing ships, astronomical observation and the calendar; writing and keeping of records; laws and civic life; coinage; abstract thought and mathematics to mention but a few.
4) The whole concept of universities is islamic. How graduates dress during graduation is islamic dress(the gown and hat).
i could continue with alot more but ill leave it at this. There is so much more i would like to clarify but time does not permit me to do so.
laters.
if allah and yahwa had a punch up allah would win hands down for now go suck yer mutha
بسم اللہ الرحمن الرحیم
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arabic and hadith, if can help reply me urgently pls. , i mean where i
can lean quran and hadith
very well, dont get me wrong i’lready no how 2 read quran but i dont
understand it. and i also want 2 memorize it, i want to no about islam
my very well not in brief,
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/bal-te.obama16mar16,1,7181735,full.story
And the LA times seems to have gone over this. If he’s bowed in prayer before Allah and registered as Muslim in Indonesian schools he’s legally Muslim.
He would be arrested for drinking wine in Malaysia.
islam is not shrinking it is increasing. i am 12 years old and i believe that islam and my muslim sisters and brotheres agree that people are accepting islam especialy in America.
Im a firm believer that religion is a divider and pivotal burden of human kind. I was raised a Catholic in England, attended a Catholic boarding school and have since lived all over the world including the Middle East, America, Latin America, Europe and Asia, so i like to believe i have a fairly good understanding of the way people think. I also speak fluent Arabic, Indonesian, French and Spanish which enables me to relate to people on a personal basis and understand more clearly the way the see the world. My perceptions of people are based on the following.
Religion is the strongest and most revered in communities and places where the least opportunity or means of self betterment is prevalent (With the United States being the exception). Now this means one of 2 things in my opinion. 1. That religion offers hope and a means of explanation to the sufferings and hardship felt within these communities, or 2. That less educated people are more susceptible to theological control.
My problem with organized religion, whether Christian or Islam is the need to know who we are not.
Contrary to your predictions in this post, i foresee the coming of a period of ‘enlightenment’, where theological doctrine is discredited and de-bunked, by scientific fact. Neither the Koran, Nor the Bible makes any attempt to explain the phenomenon of the universe, other than to say that God is the creator of all. I believe the 2 religious beliefs we are discussing here are simplifications of the basic human principles offering nothing other than a set of rules and doctrine that hold the evolution of man kind hostage.
The day we make contact with extra-terrestrial life form is the day of our liberation. Take heed all you followers of the books, for only the human mind will set you free!
Dear All,
Quran’s God claims to be same as God of Abraham, Issac and Israel. However, when you carefully compare Bible and Quran you find that the attributes and characteristics of God of Bible is totally different from God of Quran. According to Thora given to Moses, the Mosaic Law cannot be changed by anyone else. It has to remain same till this Present world and Present Sky remain. Jesus said the same thing. None of the jewish prophets tried to change the Mosaic Law. If anyone try to change Mosaic Law he cannot be a true Prophet at all. Bible is categoric and uncompromising on this matter.
Now compare the following verse from Deuteronomy 24: 1- 4, quoted below with Quran.
Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife.
24:3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
Again Propet Jeremiah rebukes Israel for their sins as below. Jeremiah 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man’s, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.
3:2 Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness.
3:3 Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore’s forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.
Quran teaches JUST OPPOSITE!!! What God of Bible considers as ABOMINATION, is something acceptable and permissible by God of Quran!!!!
I am interested in information about apostasy rates in both Islamic nations and among Western Muslim immigrants and their descendants. I am specifically interested in whether the rates of apostasy change over time and if they correlate (directly or inversely) with any factors like urbanization, presence of other religious groups in their area, etc.
I realize that this information is extremely hard to get – especially in a reliable form (the 6 million figure seems to have been pulled out of nowhere to give the viewers a sense of urgency.
Many claim that the issue should not be talked about since large numbers could provoke more hostility towards apostates but I feel the opposite is true. Apostates can often be fearful of even admitting their loss of Islamic faith to themselves and knowing that they are not alone is important. But more to the point, knowing what factors encourage people to examine this “religion” and eventually free themselves from it is extremely important to all human kind.
VIDEO: CHINA BANS THE BIBLE NOT THE QUR’AN WHY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhVISA_NiGY&feature=related
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http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2008/08/02/6339931-sun.php
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20400.htm
bible is total garbage. bible god thinks beating slaves, selling daughters, mass killing, maiden raping, burning witches and adulterous daughters, shit eating etc. is ok. bible is scientifically absurd, numerically incompetent, logically false. in joshua, bible god held sun and moon in their orbits over some fixed places on earth to increase daytime! give me a break.
Jesus said he had only one commandment. That was to love God with all you soul heart and mind, and your neighbor as your self.
Then he said, that all the other commandments would be fulfilled in this commandment of love.
Because if you love God. You will do all you can to please God. And if you love your neighbor, you will do all you can to not offend, or hurt him.
This is what Jesus ment about love.
And about the terrible crusades.
The Christians of Europe were being destroyed from the north by the Vikings, from the East by the Magyars, and from the south by Islam.
The result of this, was the horrible over reaction of the crusades, as Christianity had it’s back to the wall and was fighting for it’s very survival. They wanted to wrest back control of the christian lands they lost, and got side tracked, and became looters, murderers, and even dealt a horrible blow to Constantinople. Which later would fall to the Muslims.
There were 5 centers of Christianity. 4 fell to the muslims. Only Rome remained, and it was about to fall.
The Christians decided to fight back.
And in doing so, over reacted, and did much slaughter. This was a slap in the face of Jesus, who taught love. And when these people committed these horrible acts, in truth they ceased to be Christians. As to be a Christian is to be a follower of Christ. Who taught to love thy neighbor as thy self.
Who taught, blessed are the peace makers.
But we see and read in the writings of Mohammed and the hadiths of the horrors that are encouraged against they who are not muslim.
Mohammed bragged. “I’ve been made victorious through terror.”
No wonder so many of his followers are terrorists.
It is ordered to, “Smite them on their necks.”
Yes, we see the beheadings in the name if Allah.
We saw the slaughters in India, yet so many Indians still clung to their faith.
Many peoples who were forced to convert, are now converting back to their orriginal faiths.
And yes, many Christians who were pagens, and other religions, but forced into Christianity, are returning to their former beliefs. Jesus said, “Who so ever will.”
Not, “Who so ever shall be forced to.”
And that he did not come to condemn the world, but that the world through him shall be saved.
And I believe that it can be in this life, or the life that is to come.
HELLO ,
HI I HOPE U WILL BE FINE CNN REPORT SAYS THAT AFTER 911 6 MILLION NON MUSLIMS BECAME A MUSLIMS WATCH http://WWW.TURNTOISLAM.COM
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Does anyone know what humanities biggest problem is? I think most of you would know. Reading through all these comments I find it incredibly sad to see that with all the knowledge and with all the statistics that we have at hand, yet we still find people that are completely ignorant. It is IGNORANCE.
Ignorance has give rise to many of the world’s problems.
My Christian brothers and sisters First and foremost Islam is not a NEW religion, it has been around since time began (with the first man ADAM). When Allah sent his last and final messenger to HUMANITY (that is to say all of us). He was to make correct to all the errors of the past which were all human.
I know and understand that we don’t have all the time in the world to study and know the truth but I’m sure if you’re open minded that you would put aside all that you have heard and seen about Islam especially through the media and make every effort to do your own research into Islam / Christianity and Judaism. Whilst doing this use a lot of reasoning and logic in your approach and ask yourself why why why as many times as you possibly can and see for yourself were it leads you to. For example, take the 10 commandments, the first two commandments is ‘I am the Lord your God, You shall have no other gods before me, You shall not make for yourself an idol’ Now compare that statement with the words of Jesus (PBUH) in the new testament ‘Hear this oh children of Israel, the Lord OUR God is one lord, you shall love the lord from all your heart and your mind and your soul and love your neighbor as yourself’. Do you see a contradiction? NO. Jesus responded on that day correctly when he included himself as one of human and not God. He used the word OUR. Now let’s see what the Quran says about this matter. “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity, for there is no god except One God” (Quran 5:73) and “… your God is One God: whoever expects to meet his Lord let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.” (Quran 18:110)
“… Take not, with God, another object of worship, lest you should be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.” (Quran 17:39) because, as God tells us over and over again in a Message that is echoed throughout ALL His Revealed Scriptures:
“… I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore, serve me (and no other) …” (Quran 21:92.
Now as a person seeking the truth you would quickly find that the commandment as it stands is One God and no other. So therefore the doctrine of the trinity was never taught by the almighty because the scripture makes it clear that it does not exist. In fact Allah re-affirms that whoever is under the belief that Jesus / the Holy Spirit and God are one in nature then the punishments are clear and besides Jesus said that there is no greater than this commandment. So go out there with open mind and seek the truth and see where it will lead you.
I could go on and on and will be here for days on end with many examples of where logic and reason need to play a role in one’s effort in search of the truth.
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)”
The road to Islam.
May Allah instill the wisdom and spirit in getting you to where you want to be. Islam.
Salam to All.
Andrew Walden has written an excellent article about the haemorraging of Islam. Islam officially endorses slavery, genocide, barbaric punishements like crucifixion, stoning,amputation and paedophilia disguised as child marriage.
It is obvious, such a backward cult of opportunistic desert marauders cannot survive free speech and modernity. That is why Islamic countries are trying to remove free speech from the UN.
Muslims will typically use “peaceful” verses that are in the Qur’an to fool the “unbelievers” into thinking that Islam is a religion of peace when they KNOW that those verses are ABROGATED or “made null and void” by verses that came later and are contradictory to the peaceful verses that are also in the Qur’an.
The doctrine of Abrogation is essential to understand what the Qur’an really teaches. Statements from Islamic theologians profess that the Qur’an is the immutable and unalterable word of Allah, but such statements should not be taken literally, as what is really meant (and understood by Muslims) is; “passages that have not been abrogated in the Qur’an are the immutable and unalterable word of Allah”.
“Abrogation” means the canceling or replacement of one Qur’anic passage by another. It seems that as circumstances changed during the 23-year period that Muhammad dictated the Qur’an, the directions and precepts found therein sometimes changed to accommodate new and changing political and military realities, sometimes quite dramatically. Thus, the Qur’an abrogates or cancels itself in various passages and presents seemingly conflicting statements. Muslims do not view this sort of abrogation as a contradiction, but rather, as improvements to better suit varying circumstances or needs, or to fit Muhammad’s religious concepts. For example, many Islamic scholars consider that the verse reference “there is no compulsion in religion”, found in 2:256, has been abrogated by the passage found in 9:5,. Even though the verse in 2:256 has been made null and void by verse 9:5, muslims typically use this verse to deceive the kafir (unbeliever) into thinking that Islam is a religion of peace when it clearly is anything but. This is widely understood because the more tolerant verse in chapter 2 was spoken about 7 – 8 years earlier than the one spoken in Chapter 9. There are many muslims that have chosen not to adhere themselves to this logic, who have chosen to believe in peace, but in the end their position on these matters are firmly rejected when shown that the “peaceful verses” have been made null and void and replaced with the violent texts of the Qu’ran since they came after the peaceful verses. To many muslims, rejecting the violent verses is the equivilent of rejecting Islam itself which is punishable by death and far too often carried out.
In “Islam: Muhammad and His Religion”, page 66,[2] the great Islamic scholar Arthur Jeffery wrote: “The Qur’an is unique among sacred scriptures in teaching a doctrine of abrogation according to which later pronouncements of the Prophet abrogate, i.e.: declare null and void, his earlier pronouncements. The importance of knowing which verses abrogate others has given rise to the Qur’anic science known as “Nasikh wa Mansukh”, i.e.: “the Abrogators and the Abrogated”.”
The revered work “al-Nasikh wal-Mansukh” (The Abrogator and the Abrogated) deals in great detail with many subject matters addressed in the Qur’an wherein there appears to be some conflict or contradiction. The book goes through every sura (chapter), pointing out in full detail every verse which has been canceled, and the verse(s) which replace it. The author notes that out of 114 suras, there are only 43 which were not affected by this concept. As an example of the scope of abrogation in the Qur’an: there are 125 verses that call for tolerance and patience which have been canceled and replaced by sura 9:5: “Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)…..” and sura 5:33: “For those who do not submit to Allah their punishment is . . . execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet, from the opposite sides, or exile from the land”.
These two verses as horrible as they are, represent TRUE ISLAM or Authentic Islam and its continuous struggle (Jihad which means struggle) to subdue the entire earth and fight until all the world declares in one voice, “there is no other god but Allah and Mohammed its messenger”. As muslims that are true to their faith, they believe that the whole world belongs to Allah and everything in the world is theirs only. To take things away from unbelievers in not stealing but reacquiring what belongs to them naturally. To kill an unbeliever is not murder but a religious duty that Allah approves of.
The moral spins within Islam represent the hideous face of absolute evil that cannot be tolerated by the free world. Islam is the enemy of freedom, liberty, democracy, religious tolerance and tolerance towards anything not Islam. Islam must not be continued to be seen as anything other than an enemy of the world. Islam is completely unreformable since its passages are the direct words of Allah. This is the face of Evil in all its glory. Islamic believers are brought to a point of such hatred, fueled by their own religion that its practically useless to reason with them.
I do believe that not all muslims believe in this interpretation of the Qu’ran, but they have little or no justification to adhere to these beliefs as their position is in conflict with the Qu’ran itself. The Qur’an does a splendid job condemning those who are “peacefull muslims” in sura 9. The other possibility is that many muslims don’t even know what the Qu’ran teaches on matters such as these. The problem lies within education from those who believe in the violent tennants of the Qu’ran and are teaching the truth about Islam and are motivated by the violent texts themselves. The fact is; no matter what level the muslims beliefs are; they will sooner or later be taught that these violent texts must be carried out or you get executed for not obeying the commands of Allah. The shocking reality is that no muslim can be trusted no matter how peaceful they may appear to be. We cannot tolerate intolerance of this magnitude. By accepting them without judging their beliefs we inherently commit self-genocide.
Islam and its adherents must be expelled from every country that is not Islamic. Mosques must be destroyed and its people gathered up and deported. If these measures are not taken we will be annihilated from civil war that will erupt world wide from Islamic believers. War is inevitable with Islam and the only strategy that muslims will understand is intimidation. Only with the threat of destroying their most religious site, Mecca, will Islam be forced to back down and submit to the order of leaving western societies in peace.
Western society is completely contradictory towards the Islamic mindset, and its time to force Islam out of western societies. If this action is not done soon, we will be entering a new phase on the earth within the next few/couple years. World War 3, Armageddon. The end of the world as we know it. Unfortunately I believe that this is already too late and soon Iran will create its first nuclear bomb and use it the first chance they get. The escalation of violence and the cessation of commerce from this action will open the flood gates of nuclear retaliation. Once this line has been crossed, it will be impossible to stop the escalation of world-wide suffering that is sure to follow.
There are many more muslims who in turn become more radicalized for example in India.The Democratic Country of India is facing real problems due to Islam and Muslims.I sincerely hope Muslims leave this death cult called Islam ,worshipping of allah-the pagan moon god and his prophet a psycho mohammat.
It is impossible to question islam.The 1000′s of years of Islamic life changed pakthuns of afghan as the most uncivilized barbarians in the world along with their masters-arabs.
I hope all muslims leave Islam and its book koran the demon’s residence.
Don’t get anger ,Change to Christianity or hinduism ,be peaceful.
Whats interesting is that the uneducated are embracing Christianity, which really proves that Christianity is for the masses.
Whilst those who convert to Islam tend to be educated. This will naturally shift the extremism stemming from ignorance and lack of education from Islam to Christianity. And in all honesty that is where ignorance really belongs, its a part of Christainty after all it was Christanity that gave us Nazism, Fascism the Crusades, Inquisition and of course WMDism.
Obviously Islam is purging it self of the lower class and Evangelicalism is embracing them.
Good article, Islam’s future looks bright. Sad to say that medical clinics in the West that treate women should undoubtly have to go on the alert.
allah is fed up of islam.
allah has forced the west to squash it .
allah is making the west clean up his bloody ,pedophiling ,murdering and raping and horrible mess.
allah has given up .
bye bye allah… it wasn’t nice knowing you.
allah don’t come back.
I’m ex-muslim in Saudi arabia, not only me but hundreds I know them
I left Islam after reading and thinking well.
Mohamed is cheating man
all muslims are victims
I what the article says is true, then there is hope for the future and many lives will be spared. I see nothing but religious warfare to either wipe them out or be wiped. Islam is not compatible with any other faiths or peoples. Hell, they are not compatible with education or truth. I do think that Mo was a sex addict that invented a religion to access all those females. His main object is the control of the pipi. Women are just an object to make more muslim men. They don’t figure in on it. Keep everyone sexually frustrated and in a bad mood by all the abuse and you have control. Then threaten to kill any one that does not go along.
The radicalization counteracts to the masses leaving the demonic cult that is Islam. Radicalism increases when the people are leaving Islam, it’s a violent reaction but its time is rather limited and its attempts futile in the end.
I didn’t leave Islam, it left me, if it were ever in me to begin with. As many former Muslims typically do, I am also ferociously engaged in the eradication of this cult of war and misery. Thus far, I’ve “enlightened” (their words, not mine!) nearly a dozen people from my home country of Somalia, about the evils of Islam. It’s my mission in life to see the demise of Islam because it oppresses the human soul, the violence is but a small part of the horrors “Muslims” suffer.
“Lest ye be a Muslim!”
our muslim dogma is for power grabbing at all levels and blood on our hands is considered a good sign. be it our brother’s or mother’s or sister’s or father’s. it’s all about honor which translates into money. the less the relatives the more the money the murderer has.so the fighting and the bloodshed will never stop. to be muslim today is to recognise one’s self as A cursed human being… pure scum …very sad…very bad. I would be better dead as a muslim than as a living muslim because we muslims do not contribute anything to this planet except strife and hate which the rest of the planet somehow resents. all us muslims should realise this too and do the needfull for this planet and commit mass suicide and meet and greet each other in heaven and admire each other’s virgins there.
“There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.” – Ayatollah Khomeini
anjem choudhari’s ancestry is indian hindu …. the hari in his surname means GOD or RAMA in HINDU CULTURE….find out his ancestry and see where he comes from ….. he’ll re-convert to hinduism in a jiffy and then islam had better watch out….
AND…first things first …. the koran is not a holy book….it is the most evil and racist and sexist book ever written. it is a slur to the written word. it is an insult to human intelligence. have no doubt. read it to disbelieve it . all muslims should be trying to get out of islam’s clutches . all muslims should be trying to get out of islam’s clutches not only for their sake and their children’s sake but for the sake of their forefathers and foremothers who were converted to this evil and vile cult by the sword and fright. Forget Christianity if it’s such a big issue …muslims need to move out en masse to something like buddhism.
muslims should start realising that their forefathers were forced into this blood thirsty cult by blood and sword.they became muslims out of fear not because they loved islam. the new generation should set their forefathers’ mistakes right by getting out of islam en masse (in big groups) and returning to their old peacefull religions of their great great grand parents before the muslims came and turned their lives and morals upside down. whatever is preached in that cult is the exact opposite of what good people and citizens should be. start the change now. only the muslims can help themselves smash this evil cult that has got them and their women and children by the throats.
The west should be helping muslims with a free service or a nominal charged service which could trace each of their ancestral roots or religion practiced before they had to bow to allah or die horribly. Then the choice would be theirs to continue in this evil cult or opt out to what was their lifestyle or religion before the madness came. The service could be called BEFORE THE MADNESS . the educated west has to help these barbaric people see the light of peace and laughter so their children and women may appreciate the sunlight which is our planet’s birthright.
A O A.
Hello In charge,
I visited your website and deeply impressed by your work and teachings. I found that you are doing a great work for the comparision of Islam and Christianty in the meantime. I am a professional translator as you know that the Urdu is the language of different countries such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan,etc. i want that your work Should be appreciated in these countries. I want to do work with your ministry OR organization as a Urdu Translator’s. Hopes that you will consider me for this great option.
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Zainab Naseem
Islam is the religion of peace.
There is only one doubt for me. I know reading more and more making anyone to think Islam as evil religion. As a muslim one thing I know that I had no problem till 9/11 attack took place since then it had been very difficult to express my ideas as a muslim point of view. I know there are many extreme islamic groups deliberately make it look worse but as we all know in the current climate of the world these organizations could be funded by anyone who has power and who are interested in many different things in middle east or surrounding countries.
To me it is very unprofessional to believe that Islam as religion is the spreading hatred in the world but people are using it as a tool. One more thing people as groups may have different ideas but dont be narrow minded to put this into as a sole responsible for its religion. Without making this article sitting in the corner just try to have public conversation with a scholars. I personaly have come a cross many incident blamed on islam but those were nothing to do with Islam.
One more thing islam has no interest in west but its clear the west has so much interest in things happening in only middle-east islamic countries. They really dont care what is going on in Zimbabwe or Srilanka. I wonder why.
If you publish my opinion well there will be space for balance view on blog any way I forward this on a email chain as favour for everyone.
Siraj
If all these peaceful Muslims are here, reading, none has been so far able to address the atrocities committed by the religion. Yeah, you can cop out and say “Oh, every religion has it’s fanatics..yadda..yadda.” But that doesn’t explain why honour killings, apostates, persecution of Coptic Christians occur, and the gang rapes and sexual harrassment of women occur. And hey, Siraj, if Islam has no interest in the West, then go tell your brothers and sister to get rid of that Shari’a court in Britain, to stop trying to bring it to Canada, and to stop destroying churches and committing honour killings. And another thing, the West doesn’t need “Muslim only days at swimming pools” and time off for prayers, and more Islamic schools.
Greetings to all!
I am one of those who have left Islam. I can honestly say that leaving Islam is, by far, the greatest thing to have happened to me.
I now pity Muslims, for they are but victims of Islam, but are totally unaware of. There are many more people leaving Islam than is known because many remain low key for safety reasons. I have met so many young people who are no longer Muslims and also disgusted with Islam altogheter. Accordingly, I have set up my own blog recently at; SomaliAtheism.blospot.com to engage more directly with those wanting to leave Islam but remain skeptical, and provide support. DOWN WITH ISLAM!
Cheers!
Ciyaalka
I AM hindhu .but laterly i turned to christianity
by the miracle of jesus
my kind request to MUSLIMS
JESUS IS NOT A PROPHET
he is the SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.
i challenge u if u pray daily 2 jesus confidently.
definitely he answer ur prayer
REVIVAL OF CHRISTIANITY IS COMING
All religion is drenched in blood, let’s not point the finger solely at Islam. Any form of totalitarian control exercised through shaping our perceptions of the world is wholly dangerous….the day all religion finally loses it’s grip on international politics will be a great day for humankind. All religions are just successful cults…
[[[Did the “truth teller” ever read history ?
Muslims kings and generals, in their own words, have written how many millions they killed in hope of converting India into an Islamic state. Soldiers were given money for every head they cut off and brought to their general.
Hindus women were taken away as sex slaves, prompting many of them to burn themsleves rather be enslaved. The Sati system started as a response to predatory muslim invasion of India. Hindu children were enslaved and forced to convert.
People were offered money, lands, government jobs to convert on a routine basis. Heavy taxes were levied on Hindus and their temples, monasteries, schools destroyed. Go to any part of India and ruins of large ancient temples will confound any “truth teller”. Indeed, some of the early mosques were built from ruble of Hindu temples, as evidenced by carvings still seen on them.
Fortunately, the faith of the Hindus was strong enough and despite 800 years of brutal rule, only 25 % of India became muslim – majority being immigrants or children of slaves.
Hinduism is the only religion and Indian culture is the only one that has managed to survive direct rule of mullas and missionaries. Despite a 1000 years of foreign rule (800 by muslims and 200 by christians), Hindus are still practicing their faith and culture in India. This is a testament to their inner strength and resolve.
No amount of playing with stats or wishful thinking can diminish the TRUTH. Fortunately, there are enough people who still know the truth to denounce the lies of anyone masquerading as “Turth Teller
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ling Raj..as a indian hindu, residing in a muslim dominated area ( who only wants our bad fortune), i feel very bad and depressed..because, i feel that hindus may vanish,at least in our area…but your observation and real truth about india have soothed my nerve..i am now confident that whatever it may be, hinduism will survive..and the world badly needs us…really, if we were able to survive that 1000 years…then we can do this for ever…because, the faith have not declined that much..and i think, if a new modern reformist (like hundreds before) movement occures , our faith can be revived more than before…peace to all people of the world…world is suffering a lot due to religious dogmas..we have to eliminate these dogma from every religion . in my religion also there are some dogmatic people…but as per my observation, they are very few in number…and far less violent..and our soceity is very quick to react against them..so they always remained checked..but the problems with us that we are not united and we lack fellow-feelings in terms of same-religion…
Just look at how islam forced its hands over the native persians and what they did to the sikhs. How is that peace? How can alcohol be haram on the planet but allowed in heaven? Anyone who is not muslim will burn? But dont christians and jews also believe in similar thoughts. Dharmic ways of life ae so refreshing.
This article is very interesting. I think Islam and the West will both be destroyed. Out of all the places in the West Europe will be hurt the most. Places like France, UK, Spain, Netherlands, and Germany will probably be in total chaos. I think America will not be hurt because of its mass immigration of Christian Hispanics, Asians, and Russians. I think Islam will feel the effects mainly in North Africa. In North Africa alone it use to have 316 million muslims. Now they have 150 million most of whom are Arabs. I also think Christianity will move south. To places like Africa, South America, and South East Asia. South Korea has 14,00O missionaries who are overseas. That is second to the U.S. Brazil has 145 million Catholics that is a bigger number of Catholics than the U.S. and Italy combined.
Christianity believe in miracles , healing and the presence of God . Islam don’t , they just blindly follow . God said he proves himself with signs and wonders . Prophet Muhammad couldn’t do any of those .
Religions are only good when they teach, love, peace, equality, morality, humanity, ethics and an aim to help others, be it Christians, Jews, Parsi’s or even Muslims, religions which has been crafted for profits are the only issue in our world and the bad thing is, we are too busy to cut all the crap from our holy earth planet……….I am teaching Quran and work as a Quran Tutor, I do not mind teaching Bible, and other books etc, as long as this is helping humanity, I am a human first before being a Muslim.
to quran tutor you talk a lot of nonsense ha ha ha ha islam is a harsh religion it teaches killing of christians and jews…ha ha ha read your koran with your own language and understand ,scrutinize every verses…. the truth will set you free….
ISLAMISTS WILL TURN TO CHRIST BY THE GRACE OF GOD
IN NORTH AMERICA, EUROPE CHRISTIANS WILL GROW IN THE FUTURE.AND THE REST OF THE WORLD LIKE ASIA,LATIN AMERICA,AFRICA,AUSTRALIA WILL COME TO KNOW THE GRACE OF JESUS CHRIST
ISLAM WILL SURELY DECLINE IN THE FUTURE
NASH:
Impossible. The Koran clearly states what you do with the people of the book if they do not accept Islam. A Muslim cannot accept or tolerate people of other beliefs. “those whom God has cursed and with whom he is angry, has turned into monkeys and pigs, They worship Satan”
Mohammad had a wife, 9 years old. The west could never accept this behavior. The Koran is following Mohamed, the perfect man.
The religion of a Piece here, a piece there.
Pakistani Foreign Minister on Times Square jihad car bomb: “This is a blowback. This is a reaction. This is retaliation. And you could expect that.”
Of course there is always response and retaliation in war. That’s what war is. But what Makhdoom Qureshi is trying to do is put the blame on America for Shahzad’s jihad attack. The implication of his statement is that if we stop resisting the jihadis, they will stop fighting us. But of course they wouldn’t stop, for the Qur’an and Islamic theology and law mandate warfare against unbelievers simply because they are unbelievers, not solely because they are fighting back. “Taliban lackey’s twisted mission,” by Bruce Golding, John Doyle and Dan Mangan for the New York Post, May 5:
Latest non-jihad explanation for Times Square jihad: Shahzad was “the runt of the litter; the child who couldn’t meet his parents’ expectations”
Nerd jihad! Shades of Adam Gadahn, the Al-Qaeda traitor and self-described “revolting geek of mass proportions”!
“Who is Faisal Shahzad?: ‘Unremarkable’: American dream faded quickly for accused terrorist,” by Michael P. Mayko for the Connecticut Post, May 5 (thanks to Tom):
Religion of Peace
Italy: Trial opens for Muslim father who murdered his daughter in honor killing
The victim’s “only guilt was being free.”
“Italy: Slain Moroccan woman’s memory ‘honoured,’” from AKI, May 3 (thanks to C. Cantoni):
Udine, 3 May (AKI) – As the trial of a Moroccan man accused of stabbing his daughter to death in an honour killing opened in the northern Italian city of Udine on Monday, a Muslim politician said all Italians “are on the side of women”.
El Ketawi Dafani is facing murder charges after allegedly stabbing his 18-year-old daughter to death for falling in love with an Italian man in the small town of Montereale Valcellina, northwest of Trieste.
I hope this is site is telling the truth.Barbara
I think that truth teller Muslim dingle-berry should read up on the Crusades:
http://www.thearma.org/essays/Crusades.htm
and also read this on Islam:
http://www.sullivan-county.com/x/prob_koran.htm
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/denis_giron/islamsci.html
http://www.spike.com/video/truth-about-muhammad/2781905
a good one about many games Muslims play:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm
have fun
ex-muslim from pakistan!!! wooo hoooo.. i know so many people leaving islam. it’s time for the muslims to give up this irrational and incoherent religion, and join the free and modern world like normal human beings…
wELL, GOSH DARN! the christians got hold of the poor man before he could get away!
I mean, he just got out of one religion, and he got into another one, jumped in with both feet! He should have got some free time, to draw a breath.
I hear of loads of moslems leaving that religion, never going to ANY other. Good for them!
Religion is NOT the same as Spirituality!
The pople lassoed him in, before he could get away. Used him as a perfect example of how great christianity is, that people go to it in droves!
Pooor man should have got a chance to take a breather!
Bet ya he regrets it now.
Loads of islamics leave, and NEVER go to any other religiin! Good on them!
Miraj:
“Islam, on the other hand, is logically consistent. God is one. God is not a binity or trinity or dodeckinity.”
You’re Not telling me what to believe! It’s NONE of YOUR business! You inderstand? I’ll believe in any God I want, and in BILLIONS of Gods, if I want.
“Yes, at times Islam was spread by the sword.”
Damn right, toots, the islamics spread by the sword! They conquered ALL of Arabia, ALL of North Africa, ALL of the Middle East, All of Asia Minor, All of Mesopotamia, ALL of Persia, ALL of Central Asia, AND NOrth India in + – 100 years. That ain’t done with just “Freindly Persuansion.”
“But where do we find in the history of Muslims the kinds of genocides committed by the Catholic Church on natives in Latin American? Where was there an Islamic Inquisition? Which Muslim scientist was burned at the stake for proclaiming the world is round?”
It’s found all over the Historical documents of India! The horrors, atrocities, slaughters, chopping off of heads, the rapes, the buring of Hindu temples and universities and libraries,the works! Ever heard of Nalanda University and Library? Only a few stones left. Matter of fact, India is still have islamic problems, the “bros”: are still trying to take over India! After all, they took the area of the Indus River, Bengal, and still working on Kashmir and Jammu.
Hey Nash what are you smoking bro ur blog is completely incoherant, I’m a former muslim and a convert to Catholic Christianity & met many likeme on campus.Pacem Shalom Saalam
Hey Bonnie, nice to see the attempted hatchet job on Catholic Christianity. What Catholic atrocities sister, what revisionist secular textbook have you had ur nose stuck in. Nice try women,you attempt to paint the atrocities that were historically committed by the muslims since the 6th century a.d. with the felonious lies, fabrications and revisionist exaggerations of phony atrocities supposedly committed by Catholics. Get a life women and at least read some history and tell the truth. Martin luther, swingi, calvin and Knox would love you girl.
This is excellent news. Once we get rid of the violent, ignorant religions like islam we can then start working on getting rid of the merely ignorant religions like christianity.
no we should get rid of people like you, idiot
I just like to ask a question to all muslims, if you are a peaceful religion why dont you all get together organise a march in protest against those other muslims who are persecuting none muslims, and can any of you muslims tell me during the pakistan floods, christians were refused aid by muslims, i sent money to help the victims of the floods. Not realizing none muslims aren’t getting aid,christians in pakistan are being treated badly. am from the uk and my government is trading with pakistan knowing full well what is happening, i find it disgusting whats happening in pakistan and other islamic countries, dont tell me islam is peace it isnt, I have asked muslims why dont you protest for those who are being prosecuted in the name of islam. they cant answer it, I know why they cant answer it because they cant condemn another muslim,so all you peaceful muslims why cant christians flourish in islamic states like islam is allowed to flourish in the west.what gives you the right to terrorizes none muslims. And to all those thinking of converting to islam look first on how they treat none muslims, and those muslims going on about the nazis were christians lets not forget muslims supported hitler yes and other muslims fought against hitler so did catholics and christians and jews, and none believers, hitler was evil he wanted a german master race blonde hair and blue eyes,didnt say a christian race, so if any of you so called good muslims can answer my question about none muslims being persecuted
and why your allowing it to happen,thank you
A day will come when all the lies, deceptions, untruths, manipulations, crimes, and fabrications of ALL RELIGIONS will be revealed to all the world’s peoples, and we can at last free ourselves from the shackles of superstition, religious authorities, and absurd fantastic myths and fairy tales and move forward into a brighter, rational future where REASON, rationality and scientific FACTS will create a NEW RENAISSANCE of liberty, equality, and a brotherhood and sisterhood of nations and peoples… (ala Einstein, Steven Hawkings, Thomas Paine, and all freethinkers) No more “sacred” texts, worshipping of humans, rocks, or idols, and belief in unproven, illogical, bizarre and utterly luducrious ideas that merely restrict our reason, tolerance, and ability to seek TRUTH. Religion blinds our ability to seperate fact from fiction.
i feel that hindus may vanish,at least in our area…but your observation and real truth about india have soothed my nerve..i am now confident that whatever it may be, hinduism will survive..and the world badly needs us…really, if we were able to survive that 1000 years…then we can do this for ever…because, the faith have not declined that much..and i think, if a new modern reformist (like hundreds before) movement occures , our faith can be revived more than before…peace to all people of the world…world is suffering a lot due to religious dogmas..we have to eliminate these dogma from every religion Online Quran tutor | quran tutors | quran teaching | quran reading
Islam is Great! Most of you Don’t know anything about Islam except for a few Myths about Killing Non Muslims and Ex Muslims which you Got from the Media that Manipulate you everyday ! None of you read the Quran with the Intention of learning ! none of you bothered asking a Muslim ! Islamophobes try to teach me about my own religion ! so news flash for all of you when you misunderstand a verse or a law from islam to make it Evil you have the same mentality and Mind as Terrorists cuz they do the same and end up killing innocent people
As an Educated convert to Islam after having dugg deeper into the sanatised Christianity, and read some of the forbidden Gospels. I realised Islam had all the answers and clarification of only the important points concerning the creator.
I also learned that we critisezed Islam on certain issues, that we had riddled in our books and even more extreme.
The only Muslims who convert to brothers Christianity or Judaism are the ones who do not know the tue teachings of the Quran, and the ones who ONLY know the omitted sanatised Bible.
NO one NO one in his logic rational mind would leae Islam for Christianity or Judaism , accept to make money from the anti Islam west…and that is so easy. JUST WRITE A BOOK & LEI ALL YOU WANT.
to vixi… you did not read fully the bible… your oran is a book of lie some text are inconsistent,some verse are copied in the bible… see the truth and it will set you free… compare the life of pedophile,murderer muhammad to jesus….ha ha ha muhammad cannot be the last prophet,he’s a devil himself who tempted jesus in the gospel…
We also notice that the poor, needy, & aunerable are the ones who are easy to convert to Christianity, especially in Africa where they know nothing about anything, besides what they are fed. Feeding them, taking the piss out of them by building schools , histels, or a church so they can sing and dance ,is a crime it self.
Wonder what would they think if you tell them that the Bible states a slave must obey his master , even if the master is harsh !!!!!!!
muslim leaders does not allow their to be educated… because if thier people will be highly educated…they will start to scrutinized your koran and muhammad way of life…then they will find the ugly truth of koran itself… book of lie…where your muslim way of life is in darkness in reverse with christian life where christians are free to read their bible with thier own languages.. ha ha ha
Good thing we have uneducated people like Vixi to help justify and fuel the on going radical death cult known as islam.
I love when people like Vixi have to start out with “As an educated…”
Thats the equivalent of saying; “This is a true story that I read about on the internet, but don’t know who said it…”
Islam will win inshallah , http://ummah-spot.blogspot.com/2011/02/online-quran-academy.html
I live in India and what I have come to know about Islam from my researches into it is that Islam relies on one solid ground, which says, “the Qur’an is the word of Almighty God and its words are infallible”.
I think this in itself is the worst form of suicidal thoughts that will eventually wipe put Islam. Since the Qur’an is REPLETE with errors like “sun sinking in a puddle of murky waters”, “Ishmael and Abraham built the Kaaba in Mecca”, and PLENTY of others. So the question is, is the All Knowing allah capable of making such mistakes. And if yes, is he fit to be called a God? Or should we designate such a being whose words are Fallible as a Demon or Concoction of Mohammed’s own Hysterical Mind.
The Final thought with which i close is….Demise of Islam is already begun. Disprove Qur’an and Prove Mohammed as a Paedophile Warmongerer which he actually was…and Islam is Gone forever!
Quran teach us a complete and perfect way of life. But we are ignoring the teachings of Quran. May Allah guide us.
Miraj, you’re correct. God is one. But the oneness is the unity between Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
If God was a single individual there would be no need for Him to say “I am One God.” His oneness would be obvious.
God always refers to Himself in the plural. For example in Genesis. “Let us make man in our own image.”
Jesus spoke of his oneness with The Father. “I and the Father are one.” He told His apostles to go and make “disciples of all nations baptising them in the name (singular) of The Father and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit.”
this is a very interesting issue. I was born a muslim but im now a confirmed catholic. Christianity is peace. Islam is violent. There is no need taking much of the past becos we were not there, lets use the present to draw our conclusions. Muslims re violent every where you find them, they kill without mercy. Do you know of any peaceful islamic country? Jesus is the greatest man that ever walked on the surface of the earth. I will ever worship him to the glory of God the father and in unity with the holy spirit. I dont care about what you think. Each time i see my self as a christian, im always filled with immeasurable joy. For those promoting atheism , they re extremly foolish becos somany great men in history and present acknowledge the existence of God so atheist re foolish people. I dnt know much of other religion but there is joy in christ jesus.
Sect that muslims believe Islam is a Satanism Terrorism Sect, sect of Islam is equivalent to violence, murder, crime, segregation,hatred , jihad, terrorism, war, psychopath, pedophile, because Islam is a sect formed by the Satan, Satan has formed to this sect has destroyed people’s lives, so those who believe in it, and takes their souls in Hell, you think that Allah is god he is Satan, as Satan’s prophet Muhammad was fake, he has been a Satan is indeed, and has also been criminals and pedophiles, until the 6th century and throughout the Middle East have been Christian, but because Satan was born Terrorist Satan Criminal (Muhammad) he has invented terrorist sect (Islam) to be mentally ill people , to be taken in Hell,Satan Terrorist Criminal Muhammad also satanic religion of Islam has spread by war he killed and massacred millions of people, so he copied Christian religion the religion of God, for to deceive the people that supposedly exists a god other than Jesus Christ, but in reality is really only one God, Jesus Christ is Lord,the true and the Life,Christianity is the religion of God.
Jesus is the King of Kings.
True Religion of God Christianity is this = ,Love,Bless,Harmony,Harmony,Freedom,Tolerance,calling for Peace,calling to love each other = Parades
True religion of Satan Islam is this =Satanism,Terrorism,Isolation,Hatred,Violence,Crime,Jihad,calling for War,calling to kill all Non-muslim = HELL
Only those who have their lives been Christian, and which have implemented 10 orders of God, they will earn eternal life, paradise, that only Our Lord Jesus Christ they will agree to Paradise, while other people who have believing in the false religion but have not been part of Satan’s Religion (Islam), maybe God will have mercy on them because of their false religions are not anti-God, anti-Christianity, while Islam sect is anti-God -Christianity, and is terrorist sect formed by Satan (allah) and criminal pedophilia Satan Terrorist Criminal (Muhammad).
Within 15 years satanist Terrorism Islam sect will disappear, because all Muslims will leave the sect of Satan Terrorism (Islam) and they will return in the way of God in the Christian religion, of all people worldwide will be converted to the true religion of GOD to CHRISTIANITY, every year more than 30,000,000 people convert to the Christian religion in the religion of God, every year about 35,000,000 Muslims leave from Satanism Terrorism(Islam).
In US and Canada Muslims also are being converted to the Christian religion to the religion of God.
JESUS IS LORD THE TRUE AND THE LIFE. JESUS IS THE KING OF KINGS.
Lord Jesus Christ Bless all people,Amen.
Anyone know of an update to this topic within the last year?
this muslim and their islam is so ridiculous,here in the philippines especially in mindanao. this savage bangsamoro people are claiming this land.. due to what an idiotic idea of their leaders.called Ancestral Domain. well in fact christians and lumad also has the claim of the land..this idiot muslims MILF are fighting for decades for thier(muslims) own interests not for every filipino(christians and lumads)..
well i read over 3/4 of the comments and i am a muslim. it makes me sad to read that you say christianity is growing much faster then islam. people in islamic countries are leaving islam. i have been a muslim all my life but living in the usa i have not had the chance to learn about my religion till very recently. why do you consider bible to be the word of god when you know parts of it is taken out? and you believe jesus is your god or son of god. well did god die for 3 days when he was killed on the cross. how can god die? how can god have a son and not a daughter?
uh lets see what else. ow muslims are terrorists…..umm how do i answer this cause its very sad, my parents are muslim my entire family is muslim and im from bangladesh that really poor but large population country where all my family/relatives taught me not to ever hurt anyone i dont think thats considered terrorism view is it? uh you do realise in the USA gun is free, and then you have 11000 murders from gun shooting :O you say we have muslims being killed by guns in our country too… well those are the dumb muslims being fed the american money. did you know america gave money to al qaeeda :O go watch michael moore’s commentary on bowling for columbine. did you know osama bin laden worked with usa? btw i dont support bin laden at all he is making us muslims look bad to the entire world, he is going to hell because in islam you are not aloud to hurt any civilian exceptions being war. the ones that do are obviously not muslims they are rather muslims by title they ignore literally half of islam and consider themselves muslims and ends up making muslims look bad when they are not even considered muslim. dont be conceived by a guy with beard and think that he is muslim, being a muslims isnt just about having beard praying and having radical views, its a way of life which includes from how to clean yourself to how to treat others(not radical view on forcing to convert because thats not islam) to how to talk to how to do literally everything.
uh idk what else to say i might have forgotten to mention alot but think why would the gods word have to be changed by romans. quran has not changed at all since revelation and why would i want to be christian and believe in jesus when i already believe in jesus as a prophet. you have kkk and had hitler arent they muslim how is it that a man is created equal yet called dirty and animal(i am talking about slavery time) at the same time by christians. did you know prophet Mohammeds sahabi(he close friend) bought and freed slaves.
sometypos were made in the above comments but im sure you brain can fill them in, and the 11000 kills i mean 11000 kills yearly where you have canada just accross the border with 65 gun shooting murders yearly. its done by ghetto people right? well same with islam the terrorists are dumb people that call themselves islam but really are not.
you guys are really fun to listen to.
mashalah. it is very good work.God bless you with mor succes.
Every one must
Read Quraan in English and understand the sayings of God Almighty …..This is the only way to know about Muslims and The Last Prophet Of God (PBUH) …..
Islamghar,
Your statement: Every one must; Read Quran in English and understand the sayings of God Almighty …..This is the only way to know about Muslims and The Last Prophet Of God (PBUH) …..
I have two quranic english transulations, I read and re-read my quran in hope that I would be able to identify the peace, freedom and humility offered in the New Testament (Final Scriptures). Instead I found, but allah’s love ONLY for ‘good’ muslims. Condemnation of women, particularly with the majority of hell’ inhabitants being women.
I read the quran, to gain an insight into my partners family belief system. I really wish I hadn’t research, and hadn’t read the quran. I am simply afraid for my husband and his family. In comparison to the New Testament, I felt I just read the book of God’s adversary. That is; Satan is the god in the quran. I have a good understanding of the holy scriptures, and nothing can convince me that the quran is the final relevation following the New Testament. Instead, I read the opposite of Jesus message, of loving one’s neighbours working in hand with loving God. I found muhammed associated himself in the body of the biblical prophets, such as; In the quran Muhammed claimed he stopped the sun; Gosh, Joshua (biblical prophet) asked for day to stay still, or the sun to stop to allow Gideon final battle. The english transulation of the quran need guidance to read, and the hadithes, Sunni’s and Tafirs provide, deeper insight into muhammed deeds.
My quran is filled with muhammed copy and paste from the bible. I say, don’t read the quran, unless you’ve some idea of the ‘Real’ scriptures.
I have found that the discussion is very useful, we can digg more if you could start thinking about the imbalance in powers of evil and good. Quran tells us everything but we need to prepare ourselves with faith to understand that what is being conveyed in its real spirit. I prefer learn quran online if you dont have time to go anywhere else to learn.
The birth of Jesus as given in the Bible & Koran confirm that it was supernatural. By the word of God he was created. Why God will do that. There was a purpose. The purpose was to show the world that he was above all the creation. Regarding his death, why God wants to hide him and put somebody else on the cross. The reason why God wanted him to die is to show us all that he has the authority over death. So Jesus rose again from the dead. Why after 3 days is to fulfill his word, destroy this temple and I will build it in three days. Muslims should understand that satan is at work. As Jesus came into this world to save us, Satan wanted to prove him wrong. So he created a religion of Islam with so many internal conflict. And presented with a good wrap around it. He put the fear of death to those who question and defy it. When God preaches peace, love & sacrifies, satan preaches revenge, murder and threats. Muslim brothers should think with open mind. Don’t close your mind saying Qoran given by God. If God wanted to give his dos and don’ts, then there would have been umpteen copies. No God wants us to use our intellegence to defeat the satan in all his forms. Muslims wake up, think with open mind and understand. Come back to Jesus, accept Jesus as your saviour before it is too late. If you reject Jesus only b’coz of your stuborn attitute then God’s retribution will be too high.
Muslims are getting tired of traditions they want to really know God not read about something in the past. In a 2006 Al-Jazeera interview with Ahmad al-Qataani, leader of the Companions Lighthouse for the Science of Islamic Law in Libya, “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.
Watch this clip you will be shocked: http://youtu.be/jkeOG3sOtcI
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I hope many of them become christian instead of roman catholic, it would be so sad to leave one false religion then join the biggest cult of christianity instead of being saved.
Devvy,
Religious freedom is freedom of conscience. But because of political correctness it is becoming freedom FROM a conscience. Theocracy is where ultimately we are headed (being herded) as pc ruins the essence of distinctions in right and wrong and turns them into the problem rather than the solution.
PC is feelings replacing beliefs shoved down our throats to force socialism and then the NWO. Those that control us with the impetus created by fiat moneys use religion to incite and enslave. Watch carefully and study Bible prophecy and get out of the population centers because the weight of the debt, both the money and the moral is being accumulated purposely to create the largest weapon ever devised. PC is something that could not happen with out the aid of fiat money.
Last nights debate is indicative of the kind of immaturity that is coming and the kind of lunacy we are soon going to encounter everywhere. We have the leadership of the devil now shown openly running the Democratic Party. That God was denounced openly at their convention and yet that tally was taken as a yes vote for God shows the blatant disregard for law where conscience is itself outmoded by dialectics. This is getting very ugly and the warnings of lawlessness are everywhere. Get ready for America to implode under the weight of the debt. Godly people are becoming the problem rather than the solution.
GaryK
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Prophet Mohammed (SAW) said that Muslims must understand that Islam advocates peace and calls it, “the path of places,” and even Prophet Muhammad subscribed to the concept of peace and waged no wars, rather he himself was subjected to violence and atrocities.
Without built in threats of violence Islam would have been walked away from by millions daily but that is not so easy in an Islamic dominated country with extremists on every corner waiting to pounce on anyone showing the slightest sign of not following the faith, let alone leave it all together.
In the west with freedom and liberties many Muslims are finding they can leave Islam and be free of this dogma.
I would say that if my family was threatening me with violence for wanting to leave Islam they wouldn’t have to worry about disowning me I would have no further use for them and move on with my life.