Muslim Student Files Complaint Against Teacher … for Talking About Ham
Nevertheless, the story, which verges on parody, made headlines across Spain. Javier Jordán, a political science professor at the University of Granada, told PJM: “This incident is an absurd example of how the Islamist ideology attempts to impose an ‘Islamic exception’ to Europe’s customs and laws. The Muslim student and his parents who denounced the teacher have hurt the image of Islam in Spain and contributed to social polarization. These types of episodes do damage to the idea of Muslim integration into Spain’s pluralistic society.”
Cognizant of public opinion in this case, the same president of the Spanish Federation of Islamic Religious Entities who was so upset about the name of a disco called the student’s complaint “absolutely ridiculous.” Mohamed Ali explained that the “Koran prohibits the consumption of ham, not the discussion of it.”
Using that standard, one has to wonder whether Mohamed Ali found it ridiculous when a hospital in West Australia took baked ham off its Christmas menu in order to avoid offending Muslim patients back in 2005. The Sunday Times reported then:
But one long-time Port Hedland hospital worker told the Sunday Times the menu change was “unAustralian.”
“It’s going to be a boring old Christmas lunch for the patients,” he said.
“After all, what’s Christmas without a ham, or Sunday morning without bacon and eggs?
“The management of the hospital are unable to stand up to a minority and keep our Australian way of life intact. They are bowing to the pressure of a select few.”
In 2007, the ”pressure of a select few” caused a UK school to take political correctness to a whole new level when it changed the name of its production of the “Three Little Pigs” to the “Three Little Puppies.” And earlier this year, French police banned “a street party whose organizers planned to serve alcoholic cocktails and pork sausages in a heavily Muslim neighborhood of Paris.” Robert Spencer of JihadWatch correctly noted at the time that the planned event was a provocation, but doubted that cops would have acted similarly “if a Muslim group in France had announced that it was going to do something in a non-Muslim area that many non-Muslims found offensive.”
The stories above read as parody but are all too real in the age of political correctness. While the authorities correctly dismissed the charges against José Reyes Fernández this week, would we really have been all that surprised if he had been hauled off to court?
Gotta love what liberals have done to the world. You can dip an image of Jesus into a jar of warm piss, but don’t you DARE talk about ham in the classroom!
This world is going to Hell in a handbasket thanks to the liberals’ political correctness. What a bunch of loons. Next thing you know, they’ll be apologizing just for saying the word “Christmas” on the radio. Oh, wait…
I think perhaps we could just use the 747 that has been converted to fight fires and fill it up with lard or bacon grease and do a fire drop on Mecca. Let them discuss that!
One hell of a good idea
Will someone please stuff a ham sandwich down this student’s throat and shut him up? Thank you.
Actually the ham thing is not that trivial.
Amy Chua addresses it in her book World on Fire as “The Pork Divide” in explaining why Chinese and Muslims do not intermingle in Malaysia and SE Asia. Pork is a big part of the Chinese diet- and they effectively cannot eat with Muslims.
Kind of like when I took a vegan to a steakhouse…
the student’s complaint is incredibly trivial.
I agree- but it does reflect the difference in food culture- which results in a very real divide between these groups.
oh pig poop!…it’s ridiculous
I’m more concerned about the “cultural” differences that produce bombs, not bacon. BTW, is there ANY topic on which Muslims agree with ANYONE?
no
I believe this student should relocate himself to a Muslim nation so that he is not subjected to any discussion of curing ham in the classroom. I’m sure that there are plenty of good schools in Muslin nations that will fulfill the student’s needs. What I am really trying to stay to the student is ‘Get the he** out of my country. People in this country eat all kinds of meat. If you object to ham you do not belong here so you need to go home.’ Please go now.
C’mon. . . it’s not like the brat was forced to EAT the ham. It’s a classroom discussion of agricultural products.
Ain’t it great to live in a country where you can still eat ham AND spam? Well, at least you can still eat ‘em TODAY!
C’mon, it IS trivial. Discussing something honestly in an academic setting is not disrespectful. I can have academic and thoughtful discussions about topics I find reprehensible (torture, murder, genocide). I don’t necessarily have to approve of something in order for it to enter into thoughtful conversation.
This is akin to a Catholic refusing to study Spanish history because of the Inquisition. Akin to a Jew refusing to study European geography because she might stumble across a city name made notorious by the Holocaust.
“Pork is a big part of the Chinese diet- and they effectively cannot eat with Muslims.”
Are “Chinese diet” pork lovers COMPLAINING because they can’t eat with Muslims? Or are they just counting their lucky stars?
You are correct. It is NOT trivial. It is part of a calculated campaign to impose Islam on western society, and it should be fought tooth and nail.
It is NOT trivial.
I agree, Bill. It is not trivial.
It is cultural imperialism by a belligerent and oppositional outside force, using our equality and hate crime law to fight our customs and way of life.
Bit by bit western culture is being usurped by an Islamic presence. Wherever they go and settle we see the same old tired meme, whether in the US or in Europe.
This little incident, whilst viewed as trivial as a stand alone episode is demonstrative of a huge movement with an intended end result of an Islamic Globe. Therefore when judged as a whole the real picture emerges.
Look up close to Seurat’s pointillist masterpieces and it’s a visual gibberish. Stand back and it all falls into place.
How many times must this be said? Islamists of all stripes from Turkey’s Erdogan to Qaradafi have opined quite plainly, there is no moderate Islam. It is, or it isn’t. And following the thread, if there is no moderate Islam we are left with a religion which views the world as Dar el Islam and Dar el Harb.
We are residents in that land of war and this episode is as much a part of that war as anything else.
It is the Jihad. Multi-headed, implacable and a force intended to devour anything which stands in it’s path.
Indeed you are right.
But.
It takes troops to fight a war, and the Umma is producing them by the thousands.
We in the West ,except maybe for the Usa, have a melting demography.
Let us hope that the Chinese, who will eat anything, end up placing islam on their menu.
It’s here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA
Very scary people.
Very interesting to note Mohamed Ali´s support of the disco name change and his contradictiory criticism of the student´s complaint. They are equally absrud to most rational people.
errr…I think the disco complaint has some merit..
What Merit?
What if the disco’s name was Jerusalem or Rome? What’s wrong with a place where people have fun rather than hate, beheading and racism called Mecca?
Mecca and La Meca. Hmmmm sounds like the poor, oppressed muslims need a spelling lesson. I wonder if they’d consider emigrating to Australia? Ham, jamon, jambon, whatever I’d rather have the pigs around than the muslims. At least the pigs are useful.
A few years ago I heard of a heated complaint from blacks that the word ‘reneged’ was racist. I guess it isn’t in the eubonics dictionary.
I once read that there are several billion swine on the face of this earth. What is to become of them all if Islam has it’s way?
The Spanish! What a bunch of idiots. First they drive all the Muslim invaders out of Spain, after enduring centuries of Muslim oppression…then they turn around and let some back in.
They ain’t likely to win the Smartest Nation of the Millenium award
Er, Dave, while I appreciate your low opinion of the Spanish I have three little words for you…”Ground, Zero, Mosque”. Maybe you Americans aren’t going to win too many “Sharpest Tools in the Box” prizes yourselves eh?
Tony R, that mosque has not been built, and there’s more than reasonable doubt that it will be.
Speaking of the ground zero mosque, or lack of, wasn’t there a pig rendering factory on that site in the late 1800′s?
“Maybe you Americans aren’t going to win too many “Sharpest Tools in the Box” prizes yourselves eh?”
I figure if we Americans were in an i.q. contest with a tree stump, we’d have a 50/50 chance of winning.
On a good day!
Mastro,
And what country is it that Muslims intermingle with “others”. If it wasn’t the pork issue it would be the shape of the ice cream logo, cartoons, or the(fill in the blank issue) or (fill in the blank issue),..etc.. It’s the religion of perpetual outrage. Even when they have a country they find some reason to continue the insanity, no kites, no music, no DVD’s, destroy ancient artifacts, put women in tents and spend time issuing fatwa’s against anyone that dare say anything about their religion.
The sad part is the rest of the world tolerates this childish, backwater BS.
You had me at “religion of perpetual outrage.”
Winner! Winner! Pork-chop dinner!
Yup.
That is one of the best lines of 2010.
Agreed. Hope you don’t mind if I use it going forward.
SUBMIT.
It is an cultural mantra, bordering on incessant, that I must be accepting of other cultures/religions/etc., etc. How come that doesn’t apply to MY culture/religion/etc.? Why is the full burden of politcal correctness drapped around my neck? I’m past growing weary of my social ‘betters’ lecturing me on my shortcomings when it comes to tolerating ‘the other’. I’m starting to grow a little angry that 1 or 2% of the population is whipping the rest of the American fabric around by the tail; finding a like-minded PC judge to grant them ‘rights not to be offended’ that they can’t win through the legislative process. ENOUGH!
I agree. Why is it that the group I belong to has to be the one that must avoid offending others? Why can’t they learn to accommodate our culture? Didn’t they willingly choose to come here? Also, doesn’t the religion simply require that they don’t come in “contact” with the unclean animals? Maybe it actually says they must not come in contact with the concept of a pig. I think a standard response to them should be that no one’s forcing them to eat pig and if that’s not sufficient, do some research and book a flight.
A fundamental error has been made here. The teacher DID NOT speak about ham, he discussed jamon.
Jamon in Spanish means ham!
Do they need a Re-Reconquista?
When does it end? How does it end? If a Christian or Jew criticises Islamic terror, Muslims taking over streets in Paris to pray, or a victory mosque at ground zero, he is an “islamophobic racist”. Muslim behavior is above criticism. But even the most outrageous demands by Muslims in a free society are indulged and protected. For this reason: a German yodeling in his backyard can be fined, UK banks no longer give out “piggy banks”, Muslim cabdrivers can refuse seeing eye dogs, etc, etc.
Face it: 9/11 was a victory for Muslims and marks the slow collapse of Western Civilization. Since then, offense to Islam has become a greater crime against humanity than terrorism.
@Trainwreck, it only ends when the world is fully Islamic. That is their end goal. Its in their literature…
Or maybe the end will come when countries with b*lls actually start blowing the muzzies back to the barbarianism of the stone age…
Islam has not evolved … and will not
There is no moderate Islam, only Islam
Count me in to counter their savagery with my friends, their 30/30′s, their 9mm’s, their AR15′s, their 44′s…and every other American that refuses to adhere any longer to their bullshit. Go ahead muslims…go ahead Islam…keep on pushing.
Forget the ME…your day is coming in the heartland.
Go ahead delete this moderator. America may have 10% of us as bend over pussies, wussies and metro sexuals….but the rest of us, ain’t going to bend over.
Most of us in flyover country are right there with you AKW. Interesting, isn’t it, how the dinosaur media no longer report on the astronomical figures in firearms and ammunition sales.
Keep your powder dry. And merry Christmas.
Stories like this make be think all schools around the world should start every day by piping in the old Rolling Stones song, “You Can’t Always Get What You Want.” There are a lot of kids here and abroad that never seem to learn that lesson.
“No, you can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need”
We in America should seed our clouds across the country with distilled ham fat and also put a fine spray over every square inch of this country of that same substance. Problem solved.
If you want to end the 9/11 mosque just sneak in and bury a pig carcass on the grounds. End of problem.
Some time ago, I suggested that patriotic retailers put big signs in their windows, announcing that “all products sold here contain pork and alcohol.” I can’t imagine why it didn’t catch on. Maybe I should mail it to Spain, for use in their school cafeterias.
LOL – if you’ve ever been to Spain, you’d see that all products DO contain ham there! Just an observation – never saw so much ham and pork products in general.
Ah, so they’re ahead of us, then! But perhaps they need to publicize it more.
What is hard to understand is why the student and his parents were not fined for misuse of the police. At the very least they should get a bill for every public employee’s time wasted with this nonsense. Also, the professor should bring suit and the university should fully support him (yeah, right, that will happen).
Absolutely, although it would only happen in a sane universe.
Depending on the student’s previous record, probation or suspension might be appropriate. The disruption to the learning of the other students in the class should also be penalized.
As it stands, there is no disincentive to the outrageous behavior of the student’s family. Instead of getting put in his place, the student has learned that (s)he can engage in disruptive behavior with impunity. Is he bragging to peers and getting attaboys at the mosque?
Time for me to start using my old handle…
Pork Rinds for Allah…
I made a point several years ago that humiliation is our ONLY weapon in a free society against Islam.
I always say that there is only one group in Islam that is radical, they live in the USA and preach tolerance & live and let live. That is a radical non-normal form of Islam
To all the others of the 1.2 billion moslems???? Kiss my ass…
Time for a Lenny Bruce style fight against Islam.
They dont have to like it, they can even be mad… I dont care…
I dont care if they respect me, like me, want to boycott me?
I dont care…
The only problem is:
In Europe, you will face fines and possibly jail time for offending Islam.
In America, you could be labeled racist, lose your job, and be forced to go into hiding (at your own expense) when the Muslims come after you(see what happened to the woman who started “everyone draw Mohammed day”)
Do you see all those liberals protesting the censorship of that “art” involving ants crawling over the crucifix? These same liberals would be out in force to protest any perceived slight to Islam, in the name of tolerance.
“be forced to go into hiding (at your own expense) when the Muslims come after you(see what happened to the woman who started “everyone draw Mohammed day”)”
She’s in hiding because she lives in a “guaranteed gun-free victim zone.” Don’t work that way in TX. Us good old boys shoot back.
you may face the human rights commission in canada too for insulting islam.. how can one insult islam when is is already an insult to intelligence. go figure !!
Pork Rinds is right. America is the last hope of humanity. We have a moral obligation (to the female cartoonist…. and to the other brave freedom lovers) to unleash a tsunami’s worth of humiliation on those misogynistic bullies. Lets give them so many targets to aim their venomous anger at they will become apoplectic, exhausted, befuddled…. and finally…. leave.
Spain and most of the rest of Europe deserve what’s coming their way. Years of Muslim appeasement and bigoted hatred toward the U.S., Jews and Israel.
There seems to be plenty of Jew and Israel haters in the US thank you very much and the “Ground Zero” mosque stinks of submission to me. Slag Europe all you want buddy but it’s mostly projection.
Lived in Europe for 13 years, so I know you guys inside out – no projections here.
Guarantied, there are Jew and Israel haters in the U.S. but up until now the government did not turn it into its official policy. Can’t say as much about Spain.
I’ve also seen with my own eyes the pure hate and envy toward the U.S. in Europe.
As it comes to the “Victory Mosque”, it will probably never happen and if it will, at least we see the American people go out to the streets and protest – something the Europeans do only if you try to touch their entitlements.
Let me remind you that there are also many people that hate fundamental Christians, Protestants, more so than Catholics. The left, including many liberal Jews, considers them as being gun-toting, tobacco-chewing, right-wing red necks living in flyover country.
Anyone who hates Fundamental Christians, Protestants or Jews on an equivalent basis with Muslims has severely misplaced their anger.
“These types of episodes do damage to the idea of Muslim integration into Spain’s pluralistic society.”
The idea of what? You are as delusional as a European. Try to understand that Muslims are not interested in integrating into anyone’s society, pluralistic or otherwise. They are only interested in dominating it.
When the world begins to see Muslims the way Muslims see every non-muslim…as hated enemies…perhaps Muslims will begin to be treated the way they deserve to be treated.
Let the muzzies accept us as we are or go somewhere else. You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here.
You don’t walk into my house and start criticizing ANYTHING of mine – if you want to stay or ever come back. Done already taught the English, French, Spanish and Portugese that lesson.
Hey, Wahabi, Allah don’t like what you teach.
Since when has a Muslim, per se, been worthy of respect? Of course we may respect an individual Muslim, Catholic or even Communist for his deeds in spite of his pernicious beliefs.
Muslim and Communist pernicious beliefs equal “pernicious Catholic beliefs”? HUH?
Please explain, with reference to the colossal contributions to education, health, art, democracy, charity to the less fortunate—e.g., civilization—made and still being made by the Catholic Church: as opposed to such positive and life-affirming contributions made by the other two belief systems.
To equate Catholicism with communism and Islam is astonishingly ignorant. Yes, the Catholic Church is far from perfect, as is every human institution, but its intent is not to enslave the human race. E.g., Frank, I’ll bet you’re not a Catholic, and no one’s going to force you to become one. If you used to be Catholic, no one’s going to force you to remain one. But, if you lived in either an Islamic or communist country, it would be an altogether different story, with severe consequences for non-compliance: the enslavement of dissenters is high on the communist and Muslim agendas.
Open your mind, Frank, and let in some light and truth.
Thank you, lookout.
That post above, just may be the most ignorant I have ever read.
98ZJUSMC, you’re most welcome!
I’m waiting for Frank’s response. It should be interesting. . .
I’ll bet Frank is a member in good standing at his local Assembly of God Church.
There are so many examples of equivalency where I can prove that Christians and Jews are even worse then jihad-beheading maniacs, but who has the time really. I’ll jump ahead to my real point that I see these crazed fundamentalists as an army who’ll kill everyone I hated growing up who rejected my superior thinking and arts skills, and once they’re finished genociding on my behalf (really) they’ll leave me alone because I supported their efforts as freedom fighters against hegemony and right-wing thinking. As an elite thinker they’ll even respect and possibly fear me too.
Current relevant examples, please, with appropriate referencing to Holy Writ justifying any such activity.
“There are so many examples of equivalency where I can prove that Christians and Jews are even worse then [sic] jihad-beheading maniacs, but who has the time really.”
Yep, checking facts takes time. Guys like you take the time to scribble down innocence but don’t have time for checking facts. Hit and run.
Checking facts also exposes lies which is inconvenient for our socialist multicultural Cultural Relativists.
Here are three of those inconvenient facts:
More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.
Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.
More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.
“There are so many examples of equivalency where I can prove that Christians and Jews are even worse then [sic] jihad-beheading maniacs, but who has the time really.”
Yep, checking facts takes time. Guys like you take the time to scribble down innocence but don’t have time for checking facts. Hit and run.
Checking facts also exposes lies which is inconvenient for our socialist multicultural Cultural Relativists.
Here are three of those inconvenient facts:
More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined.
Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.
More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland.
innocence = nonsense
He was joking
Morons should really lay off the booze when trying to say something intelligent. You are an example of why.
Sarcasm tags would help, really…
When deploying satire, it might be a good idea to skip the initial equivalence joke, or expand on it, rather like Monty Python’s Life of Brian with the “What have the Romans ever done for us?” sequence.
People are going to miss your sarcastic point.
I’m surprised I got it – usually, satire sails right over my pointy little head.
I guess the “religion of peace” is not the religion of cultural diversity or tolerance.
Peace is their religion, terrorism is just a hobby.
Spanish newspaper article on Judaism: No words minced
” ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ ” By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez(*)
I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz.
We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity and talent.
We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.
The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world.
These are the people we burned. And under the pretence of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride They have turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and d estruction of their naive hosts.
And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition. We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for hoping for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for
those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.
What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.
Yes, it’s very sad about Europe–they seem not to have survived the 20th century.
It’s no wonder, of course, given what happened there.
They don’t want to have children, they’ve abandoned that basic affirmation of life.
As the Spanish journalist you quoted says, they can’t even tell the difference between an outsider culture that posed no threat, and an outsider culture determined to take over. Or, better, an outsider culture that was not inimical to them, and one that most decidedly is.
Hi, while many would agree with the sentiments in this article by Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez, it would appear that it did not appear in a Spanish newspaper at all (imagine the uproar if it had). See “Who is Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez and who cares?)” By Bernie on 27 Feb 2006
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/02/who_is_sebastian_vilar_rodrige.html(but take the time to read through the whole article).
Islam plays it’s part well in dividing a nation. That’s why they were allowed in Western Europe, and America.
See how it is working? Just yesterday in Briton, 12 moon god worshipers were arrested for planning murder. Murder of who? Murder of fellow Britons.
Let me see, I can’t even wish Merry Christmas, and Christmas trees are banned, not to mention we’re celebrating “Happy Holidays” … sounds like submission to me and it’s not the Muslims doing.
The Muslims in Europe and here in America are merely using the tactics of those who before them were minorities and found the methods successful in silencing others. How are the “civil rights” working out for you?
Feliz Navidad y prospero ano nuevo
Clear example of Sudden Muslim Grievance Syndrome.
The trick here is fight fire with fire. This just isn’t about Muslims either. Muslims are just another victim-oh-olic group in this country. The real problem here is the Anti-American left and what they have been allowed to get away with by being loud and obnoxious. The multi-culti, politically-correct, crowd was allowed to attack traditional American values without a fight. Well now, give them a fight. The momentum is with traditional America. The good folks of this country have had enough and it’s beginning to have an effect.
Time to stop being polite and fight back like you mean it. Believe me, there are more of us than them. Things like the tea party are a good start, but the rhetoric needs to be ratcheted up 10 fold by everyone at every opportunity. When you are offended by some PC anti-American BS that somebody spews, call them on it. Always use facts and logic, but call them on it.
At my son’s school, they always have a Christmas show where all the classes sing music, Christmas and otherwise. This year the principal supposedly didn’t want to offend anyone and took out the Christmas Carols. Well a few of the parents strongly voiced their dissatisfaction and the carols were put back in. It was a small victory, but a victory just the same.
I was at a Christmas party and some lib starts spouting off about DADT. When I disagreed with him, it blew his hair back he stated that he didn’t want to quarrel with me. I said I wasn’t quarreling with him, I was merely pointing out where he was in error. Well he shut up and moved on, but the other folks in my group nodded approvingly. When you speak up it empowers others that agree with you to speak up also. Most polite folks these days have been scared into silence. No need to be, in this instance, the lib shut up rather than defend his screwy belief.
Well written, fortunate son, especially “now, give them a fight”. We need more people like you to stand up for their rights.
This “Ham vs. Spain” case was archived – some common sense here -
But just a few days ago someone in Austria was fined Eu-800 by the local court for yoddeling while tending his garden – the plaintiffs, a Muslim family having complained that they were offended by yodeling -
When a Heidi with burkha in Alps?
Good thing that professor didn’t mention bacon. (Mmmmm, baaaconn!) Poor little Ahmed woulda had a cow.
Disgusting story. I’m a secular muslim and I have message for you all:
It’s not Muslims destroying your society. It’s the bleeding heart white liberals that you have elected that can’t get past their post-colonial view of life and fall for his crap that will be responsible for the death of society by a thousand cuts.
Get rid of the libtards and stand up for civilised values and you’ll find the voices of discontent will disappear or become marginalised.
A secular muslim?
What is a secular muslim?
Is a secular muslim a muslim who doesn’t follow the commands of the koran and doesn’t follow mohammed,‘the perfect man’, to be emulated by all Muslims?
Is a secular muslim a muslim who doesn’t believe in sharia,the divine revelations set forth in the Qur’an, and the example set by the Islamic Prophet Muhammad in the Sunnah?
I have met ‘cultural muslims’ but never secular ones.
Secular Muslims are those who believe in the separation of Church (or in this case, Mosque) and State. We believe Islam is a force of good if applied personally, but when applied politically, it turns into tyranny very quickly. We believe in one law for all with the principles of enlightenment and modernity at the heart of society.
“We believe in one law”
Since no one has asked….What LAW would that be and whose?
Cause sharia isn’t going to fly here. You’ll run off a cliff trying with that truck.
Civil law.
It would really help, then, if people like you, LegoArmy, would speak out loudly and clearly: you’re “protected” the way the rest of us aren’t.
Sad to say, I don’t see much push back from any Muslims.
Hardly protected. Perhaps what your US news channels don’t tell you is the hell that secularists in the Islamic world (or in Europe) have to go through including death threats and ultimately death.
I understand what you’re saying. Here, in Canada, we have a few brave Muslims, like Salim Mansur, Tarek Fatah, and Irshad Manji, (a lesbian feminist), who are pushing back. It’s good to have them on-side.
I’m not sure what the answer is for you, but just going along sure isn’t working for the good of anyone.
You are a Baha’i
It’s both.
Two can play the game of ’1000 cuts’.
They sell Meca-Cola in Arabia yet they don’t want a Meca disco in Spain?
Fundamentalist Islam is broken. They believe that what they don’t know can’t hurt them. So, don’t educate women, they might hurt others. Don’t educate children about ham, they might ingest some and like it. Don’t allow people to celebrate other religions openly because it might cause people to question their own.
And they do this with force. I have an answer: I’ll use force to defend myself if I must; but instead I’ll advocate humor, ham, other religions, and ensure that my daughters are well educated.
There is a reason why centuries of Islamic Fundamentalists have produced comparatively little while nearly every other society that wasn’t subjected to Islam has been very successful.
1492!
Don’t they worship Mo-Ham-Ed?
You want to have a laugh? Try the state of Abu Dhabi (fully a Muslim state) having put up a diamond studded Christmas tree.
Some people are never happy no matter what they are allowed to get away with.
Don’t Jews have the same prohibitions against eating pork? I haven’t noticed that they have threatened anybody a law suit or public beheading for drinking a milkshake.
Oh come on now you know the Jews are behind the ham problem. It could never be our little muslim de-ons. Do muslims eat catfish or ditch bugs in their Gumbo if not they are missing some good food. I would bet you that if ham was the only thing to eat to stay alive and not starve to death, they would eat the ham! I really do like the way they treat their women, they treat their women with such respect, that you would be better off if you were a pack animal.
“Calling a place for dancing and drinking by that name shows disregard to the feelings of Muslims.”
Does building a mosque where extremist Muslims killed thousands of Americans show disregard for the feelings of non-Muslims?
Of course not friend. It’s THEIR feelings that must be considered, not millions of Americans who want no part of that obscenity.
Maybe instead of calling it the Cordoba Mosque muslims could name it “Fawlty Towers” to show their sensitivity in such matters.
This news story was recently reported on in various German media, where a primary school teacher, in a school where meals are served to children, lost her job because she accidentally served a Moslem child pork instead of chicken.
The school also decided to remove pork entirely from the menu after this episode. They call it the Schnitzelstreit in Germany. What a spineless decision!
Link (in German)
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2010/10/13/lehrerin-gefeuert/gab-muslimischen-schuelern-versehentlich-schweineschnitzel.html
Never thought I’d see the day when the Germans would be such cowards. Isn’t political correctness great? Liberals are spineless crybabies.
The Germans have always been cowards, except in the old days they would just execute you if they disagreed with you.
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“mo-HAM-ed”
Thank you Jay Kanter for bringing this oversight to the attention of The Official Office of Complete Muslim Control over Everything. We immediately issued a fatwa demanding the removal of the letters “H”, “A” & “M” from any & all alphabets. Those who do not comply…well, you figure it out. Happy now?
It is just as bad in Canada. I was fired from a major hospital because I was discussing the latest Islamic terror attack with a colleague while washing my hands in the ladies room. Someone overheard me, (she was a white, non-Moslem) reported me to my boss and he promptly fired me. Freedom of speech and dead and buried.
WHY IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND. THIS BOY WAS EXORCIZING HIS RELIGIOUS FEELING. HE JUST DOESN’T THINK THAT PIGS SHOULD BE ALLOWED INTO A MOSQUE, I DON’T THINK THAT’S WHERE PIGS BELONG EITHER. A MOSQUE IS NOT A PLACE FOR P[IGS. PIGS NEED A HOME, A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN BE HAPPY, EAT AND PLAY WITH EACH OTHER. A MOSQUE IS WHERE THOSE MUSLIMS GO TO PRAY. IT IS NOT A PROPER PLACE FOR PIGS. AND WHEN THEY GO TO PRAY THEY DO NOT PRAY FOR PIGS.
spot on!!!
…however, i must say, i do not understand why they do not pray for pigs, there is absolutely nothing wrong in their praying for themselves…nothing..
A big napalm bomb would end all their problems and we could throw a pig on the spit after the fire dies down
No doubt the teacher is a faithful socialist libtard who believes in diversity.Screw him! he has no honor,and deserves hids Dhimnitude!
I don’t know about you but I think it’s time to start spreading some urban myths about pork by products being in everything American: the sidewalk cement, beer, the water, car seat cushions, flat screen TVs, soap, ball point pens and edible panties.
Maybe we could have a Sepoy Rebellion and infuriate muslims into leaving and never coming back. I challenge the idea that muslims are pretty much like everyone else and bring an equal share to the table. I believe they are the opposite compared to those who built this country. Europe is proof of this. Some call this racism but it was not me who instilled Islam with its own values nor are those bankrupt values an illusion brought about by a film of bigotry over my eyes. The idea that I could be brought up on charges in Canada for saying so makes Canada a laughing stock in my opinion.
Is it true that Muslims believe that if you die with a pig, you cannot be in Paradise with Allah? I wonder if having pigs on all airplanes would accomplish more than sexually assaulting hot chicks, old ladies, and children in the Security lines?
Nope. Not true at all. In fact, if you’re starving and near death and pork is available – you can eat it to live with heaven’s doors still open!
Heparin is a drug given to people by subcutaneous injection when they need to have clotting reduced. Routinely after a heart attack or a pulmonary embolus. It is derived from the stomach cells of a pig.
I pointed this out to my superiors in an Australian hospital, I was called a troublemaker, and effectively sacked.
Not a problem to me, but I wonder what all the Muslim and Jewish patients will do when it comes out?
This is beyond the point of being ridicules. Who the h-ll do muslims think they are? I think they think that they are our rulers. If I was the kids teacher I would ask him mayo or mustard on your ham sandwich? If this offends muslims to d-m bad get over it. You do not rule the world and muslims are really starting to offend me and a lot of other people in the world. Now I will have my bacon cheeseburger!
The real danger is the brain dead left. The muslims are mindless jerks who can easily be got rid off but the real danger at the present is the left. This includes scum like Soros and his cohorts who basically are using our societies for highly flawed social engineering. The best solution is to use your voice from the lowest levels of local government and higher to shut these bastards down. You want your country – then FIGHT FOR IT! DO NOT GIVE IT AWAY TO THESE BRAINLESS SCUM!
I don’t know about elsewhere but in Florida they won’t serve pork anymore because of Muslim prisoners. I asked my brother if they also served only kosher, non-beef meals so as not to offend the Jews and Hindus. Guess the answer. This is just ridiculous. They want to come after my country ham and redeye gravy I’m gonna be locked and loaded.
bacon, bacon, bacon, I love bacon
Spain and Australia need a Bill of Rights. We need to start exercising ours.
Guess they won’t be reading Hamlet in schools anymore since some stupid Muslem will say his name offends them.
Those of us who eat pork never insist that anyone else eat it. Those who don’t (except Jews) always insist that we not, whether they are stupid muslims or stupid vegans.
The people here who understand this as all of a piece with death-dealing liberalism are exactly right. Liberals – aka communists, nazis, obamanoids, college professors – have a pathological urge to inflict themselves on others.
We better wake up, people, and start inflicting ourselves on them or “this war is lost.”
So let’s get this straight …
Some kid had a whinge about a teacher, and nothing came of it.
And that’s news?
“Consider the case of the student at the Menéndez Tolosa school in Cadiz who recently asked his geography teacher to stop discussing ham in class because it was disrespectful to him as a Muslim. It should be noted that the teacher, José Reyes Fernández, was not mocking the Koran’s prohibition against eating ham. What was so offensive to the student was Fernández’s use of the Granada town of Trevélez as an example of a cold mountain climate conducive to the curings of hams.
Please read the article before posting!
Yeeesssss….. so what?
Whatever the reason why the kid complained, the complaint was still dismissed. If his justification was that a straightforward discussion of ham was offensive to his religion – so what? That’s his problem. Clearly the spanish education system thought so. For all we know, he just had a beef with the teacher. The reason ultimately doesn’t matter. It’s just his opinion, and the authorities treated it appropriately.
I repeat – why is this news? Because a muslim kid complained about something a bit muslimy? Gimme a break.
I assume that you’ve all been to high school. Cast your mind back – how often do kids try it on (a.k.a take the p1ss, a.k.a mount spurious challenges against a teacher’s authority)? I’ll save you some time: quite a bit.
It figures Matthew can’t see how this fits into broader questions about Islamic chauvanism & cultural imperialism (or, more likely, doesn’t want to see how it relates to these issues.) Muslims being one of the preferred Lefty victim groups and all.
I’m really not quite sure where to start with that. It’s practically a prescription for confirmation bias. Anything that any muslim does anywhere can, apparently, be fitted into a “broader question”, rather than being seen for what it is – in this case, a brat trying it on. But the same behavior exhibited by a member of another group doesn’t even attract your interest simply because it doesn’t fit the “broader question”. The upshot is that you’ve got an endless supply of “evidence” to support your own bias and you don’t consider anything that contradicts it.
The same effect causes people to think that more crimes are committed on a full moon, that more planes disappear in the bermuda triangle than anywhere else, that gypsies can read the future, that some people can find water using a couple of twigs and that “power balance” wristbands are actually worth spit (see: http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=555671&vId= )
What’s really depressing is that you guys think you’re skeptics.
Good point, about this not being news, Matthew.
When I was a kid people were always filing complaints with the F.B.I. when a teacher dared to talk about ham in a classroom, and the complaints then went to a federal prosecuter, who then dismissed the case. Happened constantly.
Not.
I’ll you what would’ve happened if someone had tried it. The cops would have laughed their asses off, the complaint would have been filerd in the nearest trash can, and the complainers probably would have gotten a mandatory court-ordered psych evaluation.
Of course, that’s in a relatively sane country (America) before it was trashed by a lot of liberal dolts. God only knows what goes on, or has been going on in a place like Spain. They’re so backwards I think they still have a king, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they’d been investigating people for daring to talk about curing hams throughout their history. Guys wacky enough to have kings are capable of pretty much anything.
“I’ll you what would’ve happened if someone had tried it. The cops would have laughed their asses off, the complaint would have been filerd in the nearest trash can”
And that appears to be what happened in this case as well. What’s weird is that it ever made the news. It just goes to show how wide the net is cast to find anti-muslim material. It also goes to show how easy it is to take a swipe at public employees in order to grind an axe. An activity that seems awfully popular on this blog site.
“and the complainers probably would have gotten a mandatory court-ordered psych evaluation.”
Yeah, well, I’m not so sure about that part. Think about the consequences of heading down that path …
Because ham-fisted Republicans vowed to eliminate pork from the budget, the Muslim-as-victim community is reportedly conflicted in how to complain. Can anyone help?
It’s my contention that this is the inevitable but unintended consequence of the altruist principle. You WILL BE REQUIRED to tolerate the intolerable.
I think I will sue the muSLIMES because this is blatant racism. Pork is the other “White” meat and that is what this is really about. It has nothing to do with some book that was written SIX HUNDRED YEARS after the death of Child Molester Muhammed. It’s all about their hate of anthing white.
Though I will have to hire my own laywer because I am sure the American Communist Liberation Union will not help me with this. What are the chances of getting the Southern Poverty Law Center to list Islam as a “Hate Group” because of this?
I guess in the end it will come down to you and me putting an end to islam ourselves as by his own admission Mr Obama is a friend of the Devil so there will be no help from Washington
America is not far behind… we are the pot calling the kettle black! There are numerous situations in this country just like this…more than you can imagine. I have lived in Israel & Jordan…Islam’s Agenda is Annilate Jews , Christians and those awful Americans and Democarcy! But the are equal opportunity eleminators ….they get rid of their own too if they do not bow!
The underlying concept that it is by any human capability possible for one individual human to know what human sensory stimulus might possibly exist,short of direct physical contact or physical contact with weapon, that could possibly be defined by the complaintant as offensive to it existance. That would thus seem to be the best definition of Freedom of Speech, at least under our Constitutional Rights. True, a responsible individual, a personality trait that is essential to a peaceable society, would not intentionally stimulate in order to offend, but then how could the politicians earn a living.
Viva el Jamón, dada por Dios para alimentar a la gente. Todo se come! y si los musulmanes no están contentos van vivrent en un país con costumbres musulmanas y no aquí!